The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder

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I am Pablo Torre and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

No!

What the f ⁇ ?

Pablo, what the f ⁇ ?

This is crazy.

Pablo, what the f?

This is crazy.

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See, I think we kind of both have

confirmation bias.

Yeah, probably.

We just look for somebody to tell us that we suck.

When I'm in the comments, what I see is a thousand

Pablo and Katie are such a great couple or whatever.

And I'm like, I'm also there.

And then me.

I haven't even seen Pablo yet.

It's like a reveal.

It's like I get, like, what's he wearing?

He's gonna be in a bald gown.

Yeah.

Oh, a second outfit.

There he is.

Miss America.

What is what?

Are you in like a

active withdrawal?

No, you're in some kind of a suit almost.

Oh, yes.

Are these sensible separates?

They're sensible separates.

Were you at some kind of an event?

Or is this just how you're very famous now?

Because of this.

Because of us.

Yeah.

He's riding our coattails.

Yes, the sacrifice we make, being here having journalism happen to us live.

And this week, another twist in the back and forth media saga.

Sports journalist Pablo Torre reporting that Hudson is being blacklisted by the university's football program.

He shared the alleged details on his podcast.

Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week, and that decision was that Jordan Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building.

She is not allowed on the football field.

If you put me on a line detector right now and you said, who's the greatest sports journalist in the world,

I swear to God, I'd say Pablo Torres.

I believe Pablo Torres, who, you know, put out a big statement on Friday, basically dictating exactly where he got the information from, higher ups with North Carolina and what have you.

And I believe Pablo.

Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Cain, thank you for being here.

And I'm sorry.

Yeah.

You have papers again in front of you.

It's crazy.

There's a box.

There's a box in this room underneath the table.

We're going to find out what's in the box because

this is even weirder than it was last time.

That's impossible.

May I say that's impossible?

I went went on a reporting trip this weekend.

What do you mean?

I left my family to do this.

Yeah.

This episode will involve yet more online reviews

as a brief foreshadowing.

And we tried not to do this.

We did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team.

And this was important reporting.

And the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, stop wasting your time with the small-time time stuff like Putin.

We need more ballot check ring camera videos.

Oh, man.

And so after the episode came out and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordan Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff, University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response.

They could have said, this reporter is incorrect.

She is welcome here, period.

What they did, though, was release a statement.

And the statement said this: quote, while Jordan Hudson is not an employee at the University of Carolina Athletics, she is welcome to the Carolina football facilities.

Jordan will continue to manage all activities related to Coach Belichick's personal brand outside of his responsibilities for Carolina football and the university.

End of quote.

All right, so carefully worded, especially given how quickly they responded with that.

She doesn't work here, that's for sure.

Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Balichek resumed his press tour for this book that was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday morning thing that went haywire.

And the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.

I know that you're aware that your relationship with Jordan Hudson has been a headline over the last few months.

And all of the specifics aside, because a lot has come out in the last couple of days.

How do you think that that impacts your ability to coach this football team, if at all?

Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, really off to the side.

It's a personal relationship, and she doesn't have anything to do with UNC football.

She does the business things that don't relate to North Carolina that come up in my life, so I can concentrate on football.

What does Jordan actually

do

for you

that

allows you to do your job?

What are her actual job responsibilities?

Well, nothing with North Carolina.

That would be number one.

It would be personal opportunity.

So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change, right?

They hired a new PR person, this guy, Brandon Faber, used to work for the Chicago Bears.

He's now the PR person in charge.

It's not Jordan Hudson.

She is, as Belichick said, off to the side.

Only a personal thing, not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released.

But it was complicated, I thought, when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co-hosts of the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this.

It's weird to know him as Coach Belichick running the entire organization as GM, head coach,

talent coordinator, all that stuff.

And then to see this tiny little 95-pound girl kind of pretty much telling him what to do.

So she was there?

She was there.

She choreographed the open.

Wow.

Yeah, no,

she was there and she kind of coordinates it.

They had brand managers and, you know, all the ways to do that.

What do you mean she coordinates it?

Like, you guys are a successful podcast.

You have a pretty decent formula.

Like,

she coordinated the opening.

Well, I mean, CBS Sunday Morning's pretty successful show as well.

And she seemed to have her paws all over that thing.

That's what I say.

She has her paws

on the situation.

A bit more complicated behind the scenes, once again.

The second reaction I have, though, is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page.

Why?

Why does it got to be me?

It's an early tonight.

Should I put on gloves?

You might need to.

I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordan Hudson has been sidelined.

Okay.

Except she's also still around.

Sidelined.

So in this press tour for this book, at least messaging-wise.

The new rebrand is upon us.

Right.

She is not speaking.

It says, warning, turnover when instructed.

I am instructed.

First page only.

First page only.

Okay, here we go.

At Jordan Bella is the account.

It has been dormant since January 2024 when the account retweeted cheer updates.

Then last Friday, so last Friday, Jordan starts retweeting posts that defend her.

She retweets one tweet from this account, Curry Hicksage.

It's lacking a lot of punctuation.

I think I'll lose people if I try to read it.

But basically, it's the person's trying to defend in response to a New York Post aggregation of your reporting, Pablo.

They quote tweeted that.

That's right.

Yeah, you do keep wanting to put all of our names on it.

But it is a quote tweet of that and a defense of Jordan.

Jordan reposted that.

Then Jordan replied to it.

Hashtag scapegoat with goat capitalized.

Oh, wow.

She then also retweeted a reply to Awful Announcing, which I think we've run into this before, but we've had to describe to you that that is a website that covers sports media.

Okay.

Which reads simply, this comes from Daddy G at Allen T-shirts.

And he replied and said, good lord, Pablo needs a hobby.

So Jordan retweeted someone saying, good lord, Pablo needs a hobby.

And now, Pablo, show me the lie.

She's not

raw.

Pablo, tell me about hobbies.

She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story.

And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason reason I summoned you here is not for any of the shit that we just ran through.

No, no, well, it's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episode that we did.

Okay.

I'm excited and scared.

I think I know what it is, and I'm just more scared.

It became world famous, and I mean that literally, because of Tom Brady, who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with the New England Patriots,

because he was the center of a Netflix roast,

and everybody who was there was some version of associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick.

And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this.

And now,

for the real reason, y'all here, Coach Bill Belichick.

Everybody asked me which ring is my favorite.

I used to say the next one.

But now that I'm retired, my favorite ring is the camera that caught Coach Belichick slinking out of that poor girl's house at 6 a.m.

a few months ago.

That's just like making me watch that Saltburn video.

Watching athletes do comedy.

I'm like,

it's not dissimilar either.

Are you guys familiar with this ring cam video?

Yes.

My god.

Vaguely, but

I know that it exists, but I'm not sure that I've seen it.

Thank you for being the control group.

I'm scared of it.

No, because it went viral, truly, in November 2023.

But the video, for those not familiar, did look like this.

Oh, my lord.

Please narrate what you're seeing.

Well, I'm seeing Bill Belichick topless coming out of

maybe a screen door.

I'm not sure.

On like a ring camera.

He's maybe on the back porch.

It looks like he's, is this a walk of shame?

What's he doing there?

All good questions.

Do we have any answers coming?

Well.

What happened with this video is that there have been a flood of questions.

Right.

But nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from until when it was taped.

If there are other videos out there.

Until

now.

Until now.

Wow.

No way.

Go to break.

What the f, Pop now.

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So the ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the internet, some Boston area person actually watermarked it.

It went viral.

And it was most famously described in my research this way: quote, dailymail.com can reveal the expatriates coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24-year-old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson.

The ring footage, believed to be from November last year, shows the legend shirtless opening the front door of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning.

What?

Weird detail.

A lot of people, by the way, because of this, I think understandably,

they have theorized that

did this leak come from inside the house?

Yeah.

As it were.

Did Jordan Hudson maybe leak this is a theory that has been promulgated.

I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing.

Imagine if suddenly your 70-year-old patriarch is shown shirtless,

you know, bountifully.

Bountifully.

Zaftig, I believe.

Oh, my God.

And they say, where did this come from?

What else is happening?

Who has this?

Who Who'd they send it to?

Why does this exist?

Why am I looking at this?

And in fact, one NFL executive whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online.

This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes.

It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional.

trajectory to paraphrase Jordan Hudson before.

And I didn't want to take any of this reporting at face value, of course.

So when I appeared on a podcast pardon my take I used their platform to say this so what I did before I logged on here is I emailed uh the manager of that guy uh Rainbolt who's the the geo booster guy yeah he's incredible And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email.

I kind of need you to solve a mystery.

Like, where was this camera?

Oh, my God, Pablo.

This is crazy.

Oh, my God, Pablo.

Are you guys familiar with rainbows?

Yes.

It's like the guy who, like, you can show him a picture of anything, and he's like, it's exactly here.

It's wild.

He can be like, you are at the parking lot of old Caldors in Massachusetts.

He can pinpoint you on a map.

It's crazy.

He's the geo-guessing goat.

Yeah.

Okay.

Wait, no, you know what this this is um this is the same rock that was on that one island what island was it with this rock it was the island between in and i and Guam.

How?

I don't know.

How?

I don't know.

Whatever the opposite of that is, that's me.

I'm like, am I in my own house right now?

I feel like I'm not.

Yeah, I don't know where I am when I'm there.

Do I know this elephant?

I unironically might know this elephant.

If this is like on one of these roads over here, I might know the elephant.

I might know the elephant still.

I'm obsessed with Rainbolts, and I have many, many questions for Rainbolt himself, that I might ask him now that we have an ongoing messaging relationship.

Oh my God.

So last Wednesday,

I got a DM

from Rainbolt.

Oh my God.

And he said at 9, 12 a.m., I've been sent that podcast clip many times.

Ha ha.

Wow.

Period.

I'm not home for about a week, but just LMK, what you need from me, and I can see what I can do.

Salute emoji.

I respond, send him some screenshots, the video that you saw, a Belichick, the ring cam.

And he replied, currently at 18,000 feet in Nepal, but I'll do my best.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Exclamation point.

What?

Supposed to be back Tuesday, but we'll send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented.

A side story here is that there is Wi-Fi at 18,000 feet in Nepal.

Yeah.

The side side story is that apparently.

There is an Avengers level roster of geo-guessers.

That's sick.

Because what Rainbow says on Saturday at 10.06 a.m.

is, all right, sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals,

including at M.

Kantow, who is a wizard in his own right, will keep you updated.

Exclamation point.

This feels dangerous to me.

I don't want to have a relationship with people who can do this.

I'm like, I want to have a good relationship.

I want them to like me and be a friend.

This is like when Tony Soprano is like, here's $100.

You just take it.

You're like, no, I don't want that, man.

I don't need that money.

Something bad's going to happen to me.

Well, get under the table because here we go.

My army of eight geo-guessers

proceeded to beyond the case.

And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geo-guessers to help us with our reporting, simultaneously, because I've been on all these things, all these shows, talking about this story in my reporting, so many.

I started getting a couple tips.

And what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all this stuff down, try to verify it, fact-check it, is that this house actually,

there's a key detail that has been misreported.

It was actually an Airbnb.

The problem being that the listing had been taken down.

And so there was another dead end, but a clue.

At this point, these news sources I was cultivating informed me of another major development.

Because remember when we posed the question about what other videos are there

out there.

What could there be?

it turns out that there in fact is another video of bill balichek from this ring cam that had been floating out into the ether um and so i want to remind you again this was the original

okay so first you think he's naked off the bat you think this guy's naked i mean he's sort of like wandering around like a dazed bear yeah hair little must goes goes goes to reach uh into the the the where's his shirt wheel well the wheel well where's his shirt he's shirtless where is the shirt in the wheel well i got

uh good news and bad news.

Okay.

The bad news is I have no idea where his shirt is.

Oh, damn.

Because here exclusively, for the first time is the other video.

Oh, my God.

Oh, he has a satchel.

Yeah, it's got a little merse.

Or bag, right?

He is very shirtless.

It's going to this.

There's like a leather.

It is a hydrogen, isn't it?

Okay, so he's still topless.

Absolutely yum, yum, delish.

Great.

A bag with a leather strap that he's clearly not figured out how to tighten because it's looped in a way you definitely wouldn't be choosing.

And a hydro flask.

He's holding one of those steel metal flasks you put water in, and he puts it down by the wheel well.

I would say he looks, and this is sort of normal for our guy, Bill.

He looks kind of disheveled.

Even if you saw another man at that exact same age in the exact same state, Bill has a little bit of disrepair to him.

I do love the birds chirping cheerily in the background.

That is woke, I just woke up hair.

That hair has not yet been vertical to the point where it falls.

It's like it was just up against a pillow.

Bedhead.

That is a clinical case of bedhead.

Yes, exactly.

What are we to make of this now?

Well, I'm glad you asked because simultaneously, what at M.

Kantow, who turned out to be a German geoguesser, what he sent me is a message.

And the message, quote, is, the ring cam is located here.

Yo, that's terrifying.

And then he named the town.

He named the address.

He gave me a couple of screenshots from Google Maps.

Are we allowed to be terrified by this?

The idea of just a guy in Germany who's like, I can find you wherever you are.

Sure, yeah, you're allowed.

I'm allowed to be like, I'm a little bit sweaty.

Yeah.

Okay.

Don't piss him off.

I certainly won't.

He's a handsome, handsome man.

You don't know.

I bet he is.

You're just lying.

You're a hunk, fella.

I was also sweaty, a bit nervous.

Yeah.

Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.

You went to the town.

Shut up, Pablo.

You've been to this house.

If you show me a ring cam video,

what the f!

Pablo, what the f?

This is crazy.

Pablo, what the f?

This is crazy.

This is crazy.

I don't understand what.

I don't understand what's.

I don't understand what possible.

Is this Truman Show?

Is this World Truman Show?

Where are we?

What's going on?

Oh my god, what's going on?

What is this?

Okay, I need a lot of answers now.

You went to the house and you had access to the footage from the right.

So the ring camera,

the footage must go to whoever's staying in the Airbnb that way.

Oh, I think I'm starting to smell bad.

I'm having a special sweat that smells.

I'm having a bad smelling sweat.

You've raised a number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me

on that porch.

Yeah.

Okay, so.

Is this AI?

Did you put yourself in the video?

So the first thing

I should explain is that

there's a box underneath the table.

I forgot about the box.

I forgot about the box.

The box.

The next thing is the box.

Please get the box.

I'm getting the box.

I'm lightheaded.

I don't like this.

I don't.

Should I put the box on the table?

Yeah, I think so.

You should open the box.

I should open the box.

Yeah.

Pablo, is it alive?

Is something...

Can you just give us a heads up?

This is Bill Belichick's shirt.

I'm walking out of here.

Yeah, same.

With a new shirt.

Okay, even more sketchy.

Okay, do I open this?

I've returned to the microphone.

There you go.

Okay.

It's taped hastily.

I don't know how scared to be, but I'm definitely a little bit scared.

So

what are you holding, Michael?

I'm holding a box for a ring camera, which sounds like it has a ring camera inside of it.

You may open the box inside the box.

What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to Sue Bird and Megan Rapino's live podcast.

Shout out.

Shout out to A Touch More.

And they had gift bags.

And as I, this is not a joke.

They were literally giving away ring cams.

Okay, so this is your ring cam.

This is my ring cam.

That you set up at that house.

That we set up.

Okay, that's a lot less crazy than I thought it was for a second there.

Now, what I did do.

You don't want to touch anyone?

You want to put it down?

I'm scared of it.

What I did do, though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that,

is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously.

It was not the same one, but I was matching photos.

And I wasn't sure if it was the house.

Like, how could you really tell?

It wasn't exactly, you know, screenshots of the ring camera video that we had shown.

But the smoking gun did reveal itself

among the reviews.

Oh, my God.

Jordan from Chatham, Mass.

July of 2023, five stars.

Great spot, great views, great host, great value.

Thumbs up emoji.

And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb.

So

at this point, I'd like to take you on a tour

of

my

vacation.

Great.

Can this stop blinking at me?

No.

So here I am in the foyer.

There's the curtain in front of the washer-dryer.

This is the door to the kitchen.

Great.

You know, it's very nice.

It's railroad style.

It's very nice, railroad style, long hallway.

And we're at the end of the property.

This is about 700 square feet.

There's some nautical theme stuff you may see.

Very clean, very nice.

Opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom.

And there is.

Oh, it's a railroad style house.

The whole place is

one straight line.

It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it.

Looks like almost a Murphy bed.

Is that a Murphy?

Does it fold up?

It could be.

Because it could.

They make those very chic now.

Yeah.

It is the downstairs apartment of a house.

That is what it feels like.

Yep.

Winthrop, Massachusetts.

Winthrop, of course.

Winthrop.

Just outside of Boston.

And so that, yeah, I think that's a full or a double.

Damn, I couldn't even guess what town it is in Massachusetts.

Don't let those geo guys see me.

Yeah.

They're like, hang them, ta-ta.

Pathetic.

And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done.

You'd think.

I think your work is kind of more than done.

You have exceeded the bounds of what I would consider your work.

Michael, I tried.

Yeah.

I tried.

I tried to be done.

Yeah.

I tried to leave.

But what happened was, just when you thought you were out, the upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself.

Oh.

And I said, My name's Julian Edelman.

She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me.

Oh, dear.

At which point I said, hi,

would you be willing to answer a few questions

about your property and what seems to be the most famous, Porchin, Massachusetts?

And provided that we kept her anonymous and just use the audio,

she agreed.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

What's your relationship to this place?

We lived here.

We rented this unit for about a year in 2022, and then we bought it in May of 2023.

And you guys are sports fans?

Big time.

Cowboys.

Patriots.

But it works.

So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb.

They seem sweet.

They do seem sweet.

They are very sweet.

And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before

this all happened to them.

And

as a new host, as you've now learned through her experience with me, she's very friendly.

And she offered the same courtesy to Jordan Hudson.

As a new host, I tried to make it a point to meet people and I couldn't meet her right when she arrived.

So I came in and I'd come off the golf course.

And we were just chatting about different things.

And that's when she said that she wanted to know how far Danvers was.

And I was like, Are you getting married?

She's like, No, I compete in pageants.

And I said, Well, we're members at the golf course, you should come play with us.

Um, you know, my friends have clubs, they can lens you.

She said she played, that's fine.

Yeah, she said she played, and she also said she prefers a men's senior shaft.

So, I just sort of didn't really think much about that until later.

Wait a second, wait a second,

wait a second.

Am I Team Jordan?

Wait a second.

This is a golf term I have learned.

I mean a men's senior shaft.

Now, may I ask?

Because I just like to ruin your day.

Yeah.

This is, at this point, does this woman know at the point that Jordan is saying that she prefers a men's senior shaft, does she know that her guest with her there is Bill Belichick?

I am so glad you asked that question.

Yes, finally.

We saw the ring video in the morning.

Not knowing who this was, but it was an older gentleman with a very young woman who checked in the night before.

And

a car parked where it said no parking was like worrisome to us that this is going to shut us down.

We need to make sure that they know.

And registered guests cannot.

She said, oh, she's like, she's with this creepy old guy.

It's either her

relative or a drug dealer.

Was her first thing because of the age discretion?

Remember, you go, must be a freaking Coke dealer.

And I was like, watch it, that was crazy.

So that was, that was her first reaction.

And then I started looking, I'm like, that does look like battle check.

And then I saw the walk and

the hunch he had, because they were doing OTAs.

So he had the farmer's tan going.

The sun was just coming up.

Yeah, it's probably six o'clock.

We were legitimately worried about her because she booked for four nights or something.

Five nights.

Five nights.

And she was here that one night with him.

And we didn't see her again.

And we looked in the window, like, nobody came back.

Like, who books and doesn't come here?

It was a beautiful ring.

The weather was beautiful.

Like, we never saw her at once.

Yeah, the

more ring videos of her coming and going.

So when it came Saturday evening, it was time to say, hey,

But at first, we thought she was like a dancer or an escort.

I mean, I was like, she could be sick and dance.

The week went on, we were thinking that because she was an escort or something.

Because she had multiple, like, she said she was a dancer.

And

it was just

something was off about that.

You know, like, it just didn't make sense.

I think that's fair for those people.

That's logical.

That's what the gossip in me would do, being like, we had a young girl who mentioned cheerleading, have an older man over, and then not show back up.

She must wear, like, that's fair.

I don't think they're like, I mean, with that accent, I can only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when he's not sure, is this man Bill Belichick?

Yeah, that sounds like my uncle.

Yeah, his detective work also, I really, I really enjoyed him being like, it's the farmer's tan, it's the OTA.

It's like, hey, that's a fan.

You know what I mean?

That's a real fan.

So this was, as key context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had.

Crazy, the odds of that.

And this was happening.

This video was taken on June 28th, 2023, during OTA's organized team activities in the NFL.

And I just need to clarify something because when it comes to how the video originally circulated, how did it get out?

This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which is like, where did this come from?

How did this get out here?

Who leaked it?

And they wanted to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them,

they regret not making money off of this

because

this is what happened.

She showed it to me the next morning and I said,

come on,

don't be foolish.

And she had sent it to a girlfriend of hers.

And the girlfriend right away said,

that's definitely him.

I don't think we ever really.

thought of it in that way until we probably

saw when someone other than us released the video and then when it was on the Netflix special and then it came out a few more times so I think it's it's kind of crazy now to think about but I don't they sent it to some friends and were like is this Bill Balichek the favorite coach of the man who co-owns this house and everybody that they sent it to was like of course it is Bill Balichek.

And then that video is on the loose, bro.

Yeah, once it's out, it's out.

Out.

Somebody, do they think one of of their friends might have profited off of it

i think um there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility yeah and someone i mean what other proof i have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact that this is an airbnb outside of boston i got sent screenshots of group chats

from before this was released.

Okay.

And it's all lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop drop and it's just and they're not in it for whatever that's worth but lots of people clearly were like trading this video

until it made its way out

yeah that's a bummer it's a it's a blow to the ego to know that I'm not getting included on any of that I'm sorry I'm sorry about that that's all right thanks oh and I should clarify that like a key part of what I'm finding out by the way to be very very clear is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordan Hudson is the one who leaked this right so like the whole thing of did Jordan release the tape?

Was it her house?

Did she release the video herself?

The thing that she did that was not the greatest, again, OPSEC, as they say in like the Defense Department.

Operational security.

You got it.

You got it.

Is that it didn't seem like Bill Belichick was aware that, in fact, in the listing for this Airbnb, it very clearly says there's a ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6 a.m.

Which you can tell also when the timestamps are.

One of the amenities at the Airbnb is we will catch your ass yeah

so i do want to go back to the tweet that i feel like is increasingly accurate that jordan hudson retweeted oh you mean uh good lord pablo needs a hobby yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i was thinking the same thing um

because uh when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, what is this in response to?

It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together.

And it said, quote, Pablo Torre colon Jordan Hudson was around patriots as early as 2021.

That is the response.

That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, good Lord, Pablo needs a hobby.

This is also a bit of information that people have doubted.

People have doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021.

For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy, Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says, honestly, maybe she was, but if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it.

And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility.

How dare the New York Times reported this week, quote, Ms.

Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr.

Beltech began in earnest, but by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough, Mass, where the Patriots are headquartered, end quote.

And so this brings us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know?

What did anybody know about their relationship, such that the teams that were contemplating interviewing, even hiring Bill Belichick to be their head coach and possibly more, which again, no one did.

This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around?

When did this relationship start?

When was she around NFL buildings?

And so

I had to figure out how do I prove what I had been told, which is that she was around Gillette Stadium in November 2021.

How do I prove this?

And so, Michael.

Oh, no.

You got papers in front of you.

Oh, my God.

And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing.

Okay, I'm looking at a picture of the crowd at Gillette Stadium.

Are you so

there?

Is a thing called a

fan cam

that I didn't know about until last week.

I know, but you're familiar?

Yeah, so you can, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but a fan cam, you can put in your seat, like your ticket number and your row and everything at a certain game, and it'll show you that section of that game.

on camera.

So you can find yourself as a fan in the crowd at the game that you're going back like,

it turns out it's going to find on December 14th, 2014.

wow seven years ahead of when we would need it huh so impression what i didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable thing with like high definition cameras everywhere we could zoom into any surveillance state it's a panopticon it is in fact a patriots panopticon a panopticon whatever go ahead what i found uh after exhaustive searching of the Patriots fan cam database good lord Pablo needs a hobby sorry keep going Was the Sunday,

November 28th, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots.

I don't understand.

So

I'd like you to flip to your next.

This is like when David Blaine eats a thing of glass, where you're like, what?

How did you do that?

What's the slightest thing?

And he's like, no, you know what?

I did.

I just did it.

Yeah.

I actually did that thing.

The thing that you're like, no one would do that.

I did it.

Oh my God.

Stop, Pablo.

It's zoomed way in.

We are way zoomed in on this fan cam is as that sure is that is jordan this is november when 28th 28th 2021 it's the patriots 36 13 win over the tennessee titans you may recall it as the time mac jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns remondre stevenson had 46 yards on the ground jacoby myers 98 yards receiving what i learned in my reporting is that bill balichek has a row of seats he has multiple seats outdoors not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat, it turns out.

Good sight lines, also cover from like the elements.

And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's fan cams.

You're telling me that you just went through it?

You knew the section, but not the day?

I knew roughly the month, November.

I didn't know exactly the section.

And what was a real mother

for me was that when you start doing this, the first set of photos is from pregame.

And so when you go to that, you don't see

three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats.

You, in fact, almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely.

Right.

Yeah, sure.

I don't see anything.

Only to realize that, in fact, there's a time-lapse dynamic in which you click forward to like the first quarter and suddenly materializing in three empty seats are three people that i recognize because a separate bit of photography i had seen before is in fact a photo of jordan hudson at a patriots game

and that is

the next piece of paper piece and so this jordan had posted this photo on facebook of her and two people that I don't know.

And I did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely relevant to what we're doing here.

And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordan Hudson wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the identical outfit.

The outfit being a Tom Brady jersey.

And Katie Nolan has observed.

Yeah,

it's the same jacket, but the jacket's all pulled up so you can see her face a little better.

Yeah.

Tom Brady jersey.

I don't know.

It's just very frustrating.

I think the main source of frustration for me is this iron curtain that it's always been, where I've always been like, well, Bill doesn't talk about that stuff.

So Bill's on the distract.

Like I've, it's the words I've used to defend this, him being at the helm of my team that now I feel like he's going like, actually, I'm like this.

And it's just like, okay, so you've been covered by a media you refuse to interact with in a, in a way that gives them anything.

And now you're kind of spilling out on the sides.

And it's just, I, I, I'd like to know if you're aware of everything that's going on, Mr.

Belichick.

I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Balichek when it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust.

Because if nothing else, what we are talking about, beyond a story about power, which was the theme of the last episode we did, it's just a story where you pull at any thread

and you will find,

in some cases, a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in

Massachusetts, or

in the case of Gillette Stadium, a trail that goes back on camera that is verifiable years earlier.

And all I'm saying is

the whole thing about like, don't be distraction, do your job.

We don't talk or worry about the media.

We are seeing one character become so opposite that it's been disorienting for everybody involved.

I mean, based on my understanding, which is extremely thin compared to the two of you, of how Bill Belichick operated as the coach of the Patriots, Patriots Bill Belichick would

fire UNC coach Bill Belichick.

It feels like this whole no distractions, do your job is like the no parking sign of this Airbnb.

It's a thing you say and Bill goes, not me though.

They're not talking to me.

So this is where I do need to reiterate that for all of my reporting here, neither Jordan Hudson nor Bill Belichick nor the University of North Carolina has responded to our requests for comment.

And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it, fully acknowledge that.

But it is also the story of the most highly paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to do your job and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today.

And so, look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the whole he met her on a plane when she was 19 years old thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning.

She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to CC her on every single email sent to him.

She was managing his public image and actual media businesses, and the people who diminish her influence, as well as failed to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes, clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed.

Let alone his family and his inner circle and university administrators.

But Jordan Hudson and I agree on two things, at the very least.

Number one,

I really do need a new hobby.

I have spent way too much time reporting, fact-checking.

For instance,

This week, the New York Times reported that Jordan Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married.

What I can tell you is that as recently as March, Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged.

And if they are,

Mazeltoff.

But the second thing that Jordan Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts.

It wasn't Nantucket.

It wasn't Cohasset.

It wasn't Hull.

It wasn't Hull.

It was Winthrop, Wassachusetts.

It was Winthrop.

This little town right outside of Boston.

By the sea.

Yeah.

And so what I needed to do here at the end was leave a review of my own.

It is pretty amazing that this apartment is just 22 minutes outside of Boston.

It has an in-unit washer and dryer.

A dining area slash workspace,

excellent water pressure, by the way.

A relatively new smart television.

A full-size bed with freshly changed sheets.

And this sheer curtain,

which provides some privacy, but not quite as much as you'd think.

Five stars.

Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller-Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren.

Our Studio Engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo.

We will talk to you next time.