Share & Severance & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

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I am Pablo Torre and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

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My dad would do the free AOL CDs.

Oh, of course.

And so we had to get new screen names every like two weeks because once he used the free hours, he would like make a whole new account.

Yeah, he would get them in the mail.

He would like actively go out and seek them.

At a certain point, the AOL free trial CDs were a certain form of currency.

Yes.

Oh, man, my dad had that system figured out.

And I was like, hey dad, so this is kind of like a social thing and my name keeps changing.

It's getting tough for me out here.

Please, can we just, and then they came out with AIM, which was the best.

You didn't have to do all the other stuff with the chat room.

You could just do

a feature when

warning debuted as a feature.

Remember when you could warn people on AIM?

No.

But I remember next to nothing about my life.

So please tell me about it.

There was a function that I presume was invented because of like online bullying, but you could warn the person you were instant messaging with.

To whom?

To them.

So you would press like a lightning bolt icon and they would get a warning.

An electric shock.

But it was like a percentage.

And you could keep warning them.

And if you warned them to 100%,

you couldn't send an IM.

Huh.

And so presumably this was used again to like create.

politeness and decency.

And instead it was just weaponized.

So

teenage boys could just like lightning bolt each other over and over again.

Oh.

I thought you were going to say weaponized in an actually bad way.

That ended up being pretty harmless there at the end.

It was fun.

In terms of weaponization on the internet, that wasn't too bad.

I mean, it wasn't like we fomented a revolution in music.

Did Twitter get something today?

It was not.

It's not working.

Yeah.

So I think that's, I think we got to go.

I think it's time to go.

It's time for me to leap into Blue Ski.

I'm heading over to Blue Ski.

Oh, my God.

Everybody's very nice there.

It's me who's hesitant.

It's the re-

It's the relearning of the stuff.

It's the re-following the people that I got of, it's the, it's the, I had it.

I had it.

And I didn't do anything that made me deserve to have it taken away.

Why did you take it from us?

Why?

Warning was invented.

Oh, wow.

This is a, no, this is a message board post from 2003.

What you have there in front of you?

You dug that deep into the internet.

Straightdope.com.

Okay.

That's a board.

That's straightdope.com.

Who knows?

It's, it's, it's.

But hold on, where's the access?

Here's, here's, here's a headline from the Gainesville Sun.

Okay.

And that's a real thing or something named to sound like a real thing.

Yep.

Like the Epoch Times.

Yes.

And which is what again?

Presumably a real thing.

And not, as it turns out in this Wikipedia page, a far-right international multilanguage newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong New Religious Movement.

That is,

that is

Shen Yun.

Oh, right.

Oh, yeah, right, right, right.

Shen Yun, that performing arts festival thing.

It's a show that they make seem like it's like a Broadway show, but it travels.

Operated by the Falun Gong.

That's right.

Ooh.

Ooh.

And I looked into that because I heard somebody say randomly, because Dan and I see these commercials all the time because they run during Jeopardy.

And so we're always like, what is this?

Maybe someday we should go to this, thinking it's just like any other performance that comes through New York.

And we, I like saw it.

It come up somewhere in a subreddit of somebody explaining how it was cult-based.

Yeah.

And it shocked me.

And I was like, Dan, I think something might be up with this.

And then I looked into it and it's a little,

I mean, it's, it's the Los Angeles Times 2020, quote: Both Shen Yun and Epoch Times are funded and operated by members of Falun Gong, a controversial spiritual group that was banned by China's government in 1999.

And it goes on to describe

an organization that has claimed that aliens started invading human minds in the beginning of the 20th century,

leading to mass corruption and the invention of computers, which would

make sense.

Wouldn't it?

Is this table moved?

Oh,

am I that spatially unaware?

Or are you having a moment?

The chairs are.

Where'd you come from?

A conference?

Lanyard from work.

Okay.

Relax, dude.

Sorry, we were talking about how I'm dressed like a 12-year-old boy.

So if you want to pick up and get a couple of those in.

It's my friend's podcast.

This is the best hockey podcast on Earth.

It's called What Chaos.

It's

my friends Pete and DJ, and I love it.

And they have great merch, and it's like high-quality merch, which tough to get these days.

What size is that shirt?

It's oversized because look, they sent one to Dan too.

And I showed it to Dan and he's like, I can't wear shirts that are oversized like that.

And I said, you know what?

I don't think I can either, but I'm going to.

It's cool.

And I'm pretending.

We were all, I thought, gonna pretend I looked cool wearing it, but I see that.

You look cool.

Here's the problem.

I was getting dressed to run out the door.

I was ready to go.

And Dan's like, oh, you're going to do a podcast.

You want some of this bold?

And I was like, yeah.

And then I just stood there looking in the mirror and I was like, what are you gonna wear and you're like this t-shirt isn't large enough what are you gonna wear and i was like i don't know let's just wear this and i walked in before i left and i said hey you got me high at the wrong time is it okay to go outside in this outfit and he was like what yeah totally i could tell he said it scared and now it you know anyway how's everybody doing we have fun at the end of the day what we do is have fun

Okay, let's do two things.

Number one, spoiler alert, we're going to talk about severance.

But number two, I would like to set up how it is that we all realized we should be talking about severance today.

We have been podcasting and watching a show, which we love and are obsessed with to varying subreddit depths with a guy.

Oh, yeah, that's so, I freaked out when I realized

on

the show.

That, as I understand, is the preferred term.

I think it's exactly the condescending graviage that I'd expect from a group trying to save people from their own choices.

Choices.

Did her NZ have a choice?

And where are you getting these terms?

Call it someone who's had their brains split in half.

That has nothing to do with what we do at Lumen nor any severance procedure.

I understand you don't want to answer my question.

No, I'm answering.

It will reveal that you are complicit in something totally immoral.

What's the more?

Tough to buy that guy as just a regular guy in that world.

You know what I mean?

He must be a movie star in this world.

Honest compliment.

Crushed the role of guy on television debating the severance procedure.

Let's go.

Really?

Legitimately.

Good points.

You were on the right side of history, I believe.

I'm not sure yet.

We're not done, but I believe.

And let me also say

that because everything in this show is intentional and every shot we see is carefully considered.

I would say my interpretation of your face being hidden by Mark S's face is that perhaps you

are actually the protagonist.

Yes.

Of

severance.

Severance the show.

Well, I'm not allowed to talk about that, but yes, I am the star.

That's why I didn't think we were going to podcast because I was like, you mean with the star?

Genuine question.

Go.

When you

was it an audition?

How do you get the role?

Good question.

How does this work?

Good question.

Fantastic.

So here's how it worked.

I auditioned for, I don't remember which role.

I want to say the Zach Cherry role, Dylan, is that the character's name?

Yep.

Yes.

I think I auditioned for that role.

And then gradually.

not getting that role auditioned for smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller roles.

I think that this one, I don't even know if I auditioned for.

They just might have been like, well, we got to throw this f ⁇ ing guy something.

And so then

there I was.

Again, if I can spin.

Yes, I may spin uh they liked you so much they wrote a role specifically to use you that seems extremely I mean they met you

how many they kept bringing you back it's a lot of it's a lot of no not for this

not for that you know what he could be right um no not for that but

you do have a name

do I did you do you not know your own name I don't know

you know what I thought this because you mentioned it you mentioned it in the group text and you did not react to it in a way that I was like, I don't know if he even knows that character's name.

Over my head completely.

And if it was your name, that'd be a tough thing for it to do.

You got severance from your own severance.

I might have been a single person.

Oh my God, did you show?

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

He doesn't know his own name.

Did you see actor do that?

Oh, my God.

Stephen.

Stephen.

Oh, yeah.

I could feel that.

Yeah.

I definitely could feel that.

I can go back to that place.

Now that I remember.

I can go back to that place.

I did feel Steven-ish while we were shooting it.

Yeah.

Steven-ish, future president.

Stephen.

Stephen-ish Smith.

God.

Talk about things I would like to watch.

He wants to be president so bad.

He is

a goose dog.

I love him.

And he's contractually allowed to talk ever more about becoming president.

It's wild.

I think it could happen.

I believe it could happen.

I think it could happen too.

That's still so.

Let's stay on track.

Okay.

Episode three, first season, Stephen.

Stephen.

What does

V.

You should know.

What does it feel?

It feels V.

What's your motivation?

It's V, isn't it?

I could tell it was V.

You're damn right.

Yeah.

God, he knows.

He really studies this.

Like the corner of two walls.

That's

a holy shit.

That's right.

Spoiler.

There are walls in Southern.

We should have said that ahead of time.

And hallways.

Can I say something else that's not really on track?

I don't believe in spoilers.

I just don't believe in it.

What does that mean?

It came out at whatever time it came out.

If you didn't watch it then, f ⁇ you, dude.

That's on the bottom.

No, but I think warning people who aren't normally tuning into this for that.

That's on them.

Just warning them that that up until that certain and people are gonna be mad too because they're gonna wanna hear the podcast and but you just gotta prepare for that i would like to talk to my friends about the show that i like i would like to remove the spoiler alert that we gave before because so far we haven't spoiled anything i think we did didn't bro stephen is huge you kidding me you showed the scene with steven what did steven

actually i do have a question would you have the answer if i asked it almost definitely not in the clip

the thing you're upset about, your care, as you'll recall, I'm sure.

Sorry, I don't mean to.

Honestly, I didn't remember.

Someone

watched, people have been sending me this clip, so I am like, I mean, really, season one was so long ago.

It's crazy.

It was 2022.

February 2025, 2022 is when

you lost even.

Yeah, I was like, dude, I can't go back.

I have to go back.

But I'm pretty sure I had met you by then.

So I should have noticed you the first time.

And I'm sorry that I didn't.

Okay, thank you.

I've been waiting for that apology.

I know.

I could feel it.

What was I talking about so passionate about it?

You had a question.

You had a question.

question you're talking about a woman yeah who is pregnant who got after a company activated severance or allowed severance

month a month later a woman got pregnant at work yes and you're arguing that like how could you possibly be saying this is ethical yes big ethical problem months later this girl got

lady got pregnant and

my question was are does that imply and this is probably a stupid question but i'm not afraid to ask it.

Does that imply that other companies that aren't just Lumen are also using severance at their companies, letting their workers be severed?

Or did we already know that?

And I should have, but it feels like he works at Lumen.

So it's like, if other companies are also doing severance, that means he's at like the headquarters of what's kind of a global problem.

If

you say he, you're talking about

like, yeah, the story we're watching is now suddenly even more important because it's not just about this one company that does this to their workers.

I assume that's the same thing.

It'll be then they license out the tech to all these other companies.

I assume the one company, but I should say to you with extreme clarity, I do not know shit.

I know

what, me neither.

Even possibly less than you know.

So what did you know when you were

playing the role that borderline nothing.

I knew what I had read of the scripts, which which were not, they didn't, you know, not massive amounts from previous auditions on like the basic premise of the show.

From trying to be Zachary, from trying to be increasingly larger or increasingly smaller characters.

I see where this fits.

Exactly.

And it was, yeah, it was super nice and easy breezy.

Were you actually talking to that person?

Or was that?

That person was very close to me physically.

We weren't, it's like green screened, I think, probably, whatever.

She becomes a big character.

Yeah, she does.

Yeah, I think.

And when I met her, I sort of of assumed that we were roughly the same tier of person yeah fair fair enough because i you're like oh we're both kind of just here for a little bit yeah and i think looking now seeing her like in every how does that feel episode feels great because you know what i'm happy for her that's right and i do not i have never experienced envy or jealousy in my me neither what even is that sorry you said envy the two letters and env yep nevada i don't know her

adam scott obscuring your face for a large chunk of that.

Yeah.

Both poetic and also to the person whose face got obscured.

Yeah.

It was hilarious.

Are you asking me?

Yeah, that's a good question.

I did think, I did.

That's how a question sounds.

I did think that it was hilarious because it was kind of a thing where

having come in for so funny visually

because you're our friend.

Yes.

Again, having come in for increasingly smaller, funny roles, you get the scripture, you're like, oh, wow, this is actually like, that's actually a decent amount of stuff.

So funny.

It's not like a huge roll or anything, but there's like a lot of lines.

That's so funny.

If you watch it,

and they're like, wow, they really found a way.

I'm not seeing me, but I'm hearing my voice, but I'm blurry.

Okay, but surely they're gonna, there's she, there she is.

Okay.

We're seeing a lot of her.

No, okay.

It just feels not accidental.

That's the blocking of the scene seems very deliberate.

It does feel vaguely prankish.

Did you piss off Ben Stiller at any point in your career?

I don't think so.

He was so

say anything to Ben while you have a microphone.

No, I mean, I would only say, sure, you've done such a wonderful job.

And if you ever needed that character to recur, I could see a lot of ways in which

it would work.

And if you're not sure,

fans are demanding.

I'm that deep in the subreddit.

They call them the Stevedors.

Those are the ones who are really pushing for more Steven.

So to go back to the subreddit.

I'm not on the subreddit at all, by the way.

Good.

And again, that's kind of goes back to what I'm saying.

I don't even really recommend it because if you go too deep, I just think it's sometimes it's a little too much about trying to get every little, I zoomed in on this and I checked on it, and it's like some of that is there so that you can appreciate it upon revisiting.

If you get through, what a blessing to get through a TV show and go like, let me take another spin at that because that was really interesting.

And then have your viewership enhanced.

You're re-watching the episodes.

Yeah, I just, yes, I just started this weekend.

I'm on episode

five, I think.

I think I just did five of season one.

And I don't think I'm going to re-watch season two because here's the other crazy thing.

The beginning of season two, I was like,

I don't think this show and I get along anymore.

I was like, I was concerned because I was slow.

I was like, it's losing me.

I'm not sure.

There's too many things.

The finale of episode, or the last episode was, the finale of season one.

Yeah.

Was one of the great television shows.

It was amazing.

Incredible.

Almost criminal how long we had to wait.

Almost criminal how long we had to wait for a season two.

In the subreddit, maybe this is disproving that I'm not deep, but I went back just to make sure I grasped all the concepts.

And people were like, after the, I checked, I looked ahead at the subreddit for the episode of the finale just to be like, what did people say right after they saw that?

And what they said was like, I can't believe we got to wait another year.

I can't believe we have to wait 12 more months.

And it was like, oh boy, you, you have to wait like that times three before you're going to get another episode.

Right.

Like part of two and a half.

Part of like my subreddit psychology, and I've made this mistake before, like honestly, I really enjoyed the last season of The White Lotus.

But the thing about The White Lotus was last season, I felt like the subreddit collectively was trying harder than the writers actually wound up.

having tried.

Like there was the invention of theories and details being read into in ways that were just beyond what the intent was, it turned out, for that season.

And Severance, any show like this seems to be, you know, teasing, knowing that the audience will inevitably go and

spin off into their own sorts of rabbit holes.

But the question of will it get paid off, right?

So the finale of season one, I was like, okay, they're doing it.

Now after episode seven, I'm like, finally, they're doing it.

and hanging in the back and this is like the lost problem

is that like you can get these signs that they're doing it.

The question is at the very end will this all pay off and I am so hopeful that severance will I think it will I've just been burned before I think it will too what's what solved my burn of lost

because lost I felt like I thought we were collecting all these clues and would be rewarded and we were not.

And I think it's because I went into it thinking they were going to tell me the answers.

And what cured me of that was when I watched the leftovers

because the leftovers was like, yes,

we're not going to tell you why.

It's going to happen.

And we're making a show about what happens.

after it happens because they don't know why either.

So why should you know why?

We're not solving it.

And so then once I accepted that, I really liked that.

I agree with that so much.

Mine is like a little bit in reverse where like I, you said that leftovers cured your, I thought of like loss like primed me for leftovers.

I'm like, okay, now I know the way these people work is, some of this is just not going to get answered.

And there's no way a certain point into leftovers, you're like, they can't answer all this.

Like severance, which I, I do have full faith will pay off, so to speak.

They're not going to be able to tell you what all this shit was.

Some of it is just going to be like, oh, yeah, and that happened.

And we couldn't tie up every single piece of this.

So the questions are, like, what's exciting is to think which of the things will be the ones that are answered.

Right.

I hope, I hope to find out.

When Stephen is revealed as Stephen Lumen.

Huge.

It's going to be.

I'm not supposed to say.

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Can we go back to talking about the show I like?

Episode 7.

Wait, is that the one?

That the one that just was on?

The one before that?

A second to last.

So the episode about Gemma, the

big reveal.

Jenna's in all the different rooms.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All those rooms.

That, I mean, but just the

I sort of just palpably experienced what it's like to be out in a broader world after being claustrophobically inside of these hallways.

And just like, it was weird to be like,

I have this feeling when I watch The White Lotus, when I watch Succession, where I'm like, I am enjoying this not merely because this is a really well-constructed show, also because I'm into the aesthetics of it.

And I just found myself being like, oh, wow.

That episode was

beautiful.

It was just beautifully shot.

That was the first

plant I loved.

The woman who directed that.

She's a cinematographer.

That was her first time directing an episode.

It was gorgeous it was it was it was gorgeous in every way and the broader takeaway though being

do you know jessica lee gagne nice

she knocked that out of the park yeah she really did and um again knocked me on my ass that episode was like it's crazy to see a sea change in Again, the depth that I go of the subreddit, which is not too deep, not reading other theories.

I gave a couple other people too much.

I like was reading it and then was like, Okay, this is nuts.

That's obviously not gonna happen.

I'm like a catfish, I'm just like everything on the

seafloor.

I'm just like,

Yeah, that's crazy.

You don't worry that you're like, This is a waste of my

accent is, but I know that uh, you know, to watch people

59 was like, This is actually a dream sequence.

People love

Mark and Helly, they loved that,

And then in one episode,

after, I mean, right after they have sex.

The percentage increase in any mark having sex has absolutely

skyrocketed.

Dude is getting very more laid than he's ever been.

He was extremely not having sex in there.

And now he's having,

ever even

probably never.

Any mark had probably never had sex.

And now Annie Mark is doing it on the regular.

And then after episode seven, everybody was like, f ⁇ Helly.

Like, this is, it was crazy that they did such a good job of portraying the love that Mark had for his wife and that they had as like a couple.

We had known nothing about that.

So we weren't really even understanding his pain yet.

Oh, Mark has a dead wife.

That sucks.

Okay.

Let's watch these people have sex under this desk.

Yeah, to speedrun through a lifetime of a relationship and have that not feel like it's cheap and that they did it for, again, an artificial pulling of a puppet string is so hard.

And by the end, yeah, that's exactly the right reaction.

You feel bad that you were rooting for this other, you were shipping the wrong couple.

You also get hot Adam Scott in there, which you don't really get from the future.

I mean, we needed, we needed a little bit, we just needed to be like, yeah, good.

I bet he was like, hell yeah, I can just throw my fastball in the middle of the, because I'm starting, people are starting to lose.

I saw people using the meme of like, you don't love this guy, you just are on SSRIs or something like that.

Like, if you stop taking your beta blockers this is gonna go away um yeah then you see and then he comes out there and you're like oh no no no he's got he's yeah

you're losing him in the he's getting lost in the role it's the point he's been playing his sex appeal has been playing kind of left-handed this whole time yeah he's like let me actually show you just so you know yeah my hook actually looks like this yeah oh my god that's right delicious that's right there's our hottie and so that's really what i think severance is about what it boils down to yeah i agree you know it's like hey wait can i ask a question just a thought about this?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know what episode it is.

When I watch, I watch and I kind of,

I don't delve.

I don't like go in to see all the secret

thoughts, et cetera.

I'm not on the subreddits.

Good.

Again, I'm saying it, and I feel like you still think I might be insulting you.

When Helena

sees Mark at the diner or whatever.

Yeah, the Chinese restaurant, I believe.

Chinese restaurant, thank you.

And

says the wrong name for Gemma.

Do you know what I'm talking about?

She calls her like Hannah or something and marks her.

Yes, yes, yes.

What do we think is going on?

So, two things I thought were happening there.

One is that's the classic move when you are trying to

throw shade at someone.

She said it, Dutch.

Yeah, yes.

Oh, how's, how's, uh,

how's Kristen?

Her name is Katie.

Yeah.

Like that thing.

Yeah, yeah.

And you're like, you know, you know that.

Don't do that.

The whole time.

You knew.

The other thing is, is she testing his cognitive sort of work?

could be it always could be that which is the whole thing what episode seven was about yes the whole thing interesting testing your your pain tolerance yeah your emotional nightmare

that is that guy my by the way i learned my yeah that guy and that's no offense to him you know it's just like buddy i'm never it's like uh

I feel like there's a guy in Green Mile that as soon as he,

he either sucks or is an incredible actor because I was like, if I ever see that guy again, I'll punch him and I won't feel bad.

Dr.

Mauer.

He'll know why.

Yeah.

And that's how, Dr.

Maurer, you're next on that list.

Like that guy sucks.

That guy sucks.

He's a creep.

He played a creep so well that I never want to see that.

Oh my God.

Tears in her mouth as the dentist was.

Don't you feel like they could come back to him and you could see him in the outside world and you'd be like, oh, I see kind of how he got here.

Like Severance would do that.

Severance, they're not going to, I don't think.

Or they still

find a way for you to be like, oh, I get why he wants to pretend to be a dentist.

And actually, checks out.

No, because

if you think he's just pretending to be a dentist, Dr.

Maurer, as an Audi, is Steven's assistant.

Yeah.

His asshole boss, who he's browbeaten by, and he's taking it out on, yeah, Miss Casey.

Miss Casey.

Oh, my God.

Just what a show.

There's just so much.

happening.

How many more episodes are there?

I think it, well, last season went to nine.

So I was, would have thought eight, but maybe nine.

We're looking it up.

So there's either one or two left.

It's got to be two left.

There are two more.

Okay, good.

So that's what I'm saying.

I'm right.

The after hours is the next episode.

And then the last episode is Cold Harbor, which feels like it's been signaled, of course, by the room.

Sure.

Again, if you haven't watched the show, I hope you enjoy us nerding out about it.

But it's just the thing that I've been dying to talk about with

it.

But Cold Harbor is not just the room.

It's also, that's the project that Mark's been working on yesterday.

And it was also, it was written on the crib that he was building in the flashback.

And I don't think that matters.

That's probably just like, shout out to that prop director.

But it's just a matter of time.

I think that was an accident.

Well, no, I don't think it was an accident.

This is me the catfish being like.

I don't think it was an accident.

I don't think it definitively tells us that Cold Harbor is going to be baby related.

Yeah, I feel like that episode eight is very, you know, when you go to like a super fancy restaurant and the chef is like, and for this course, it's a parsnip steak.

And you're like, I would never eat this, but let's see what you got.

I'll try it.

That's that.

This to me is the parsnip steak episode where they're like, What if we did this?

I love that.

I love that.

I love imagining a writer's room where they're like, How about this insane thing?

And someone goes, Yeah, absolutely.

Let's absolutely do that.

Yeah, but to the point of that.

But you have to trust the restaurant.

Yeah, exactly.

Because you can't do it at a gas station.

And to the point of like living in this claustrophobic series of hallways and now, like, actually exploring the rest of the map,

you're like, Which is named after the people.

So you're like, this is clearly not just in the company, which I think is when we get our most crucial piece of information is when you in the real world are talking about, like, I love the little bits that take it out into the, like at the dinner party in season one.

episode two question mark um where they have the non-dinner dinner party where they're all sitting around it's all rickens intellectualist friends talking about nothing but saying a lot of words and they're having a dinnerless dinner where they focus more on saving themselves with the conversation and really digging into each other's brains instead of being distracted by the food.

It's like perfect.

That's why I love Ricken as a character.

He's perfectly written.

His friends suck.

And then when severance comes up, you feel everyone go like,

the way like if now, I'm not even going to quote anything that could come up, but like think of the hot button topics that like make everybody go like, I have an opinion.

I wonder what your opinion is.

We don't really talk about this.

Comes up in conversation.

And then you see all these people who like performatively like to show you how smart they are, give their take on, it's very interesting.

And then your news report, you hear that it's like might be happening at other companies.

There's like other stuff.

It's why I watch shows now with the captions on because sometimes like hearing what the TV is saying in the background, while not crucially important, does add like a context that makes you go, that is what we would do.

We would absolutely respond to severance with something like that.

We're just officially at a point where Michael Cruz Kane, who is one of of the characters you're describing, has no idea what the f you're talking about.

Really?

That is totally true.

You're at a level of rewatch, but also like of pay attention that I don't achieve.

Even though I watch Severance, you're very close to like teaching a class on severance.

I feel like that's the level of

fancy.

No, oh, God.

I don't mean that you would want to.

Oh, we can talk about something else that's mortifying.

I would like to stay in the world of entertainment and bring you the other story that I want to talk to you about.

What's that?

Great.

Did you guys see Saltburn?

I didn't see Saltburn, but I did because of this.

I went, I clicked the link to the video of the scene, and I wish I hadn't clicked on it.

Well,

which scene is it?

Was it when he fed the ground?

This scene is this scene.

Oh, my God.

This, you can't show this at work.

You can't make me watch this.

And just in case you're not familiar with this video, by the way, this is, in fact, Barry Keogan sneaking in and drinking the bathwater in the tub that Jacob Belarti's character had just bathed and ejaculated in.

He's really better be going somewhere with this.

He's really because what the family

are we

so I bring that scene up because the bathtub from Saltburn

has been purchased by a guy who collects stuff from movies.

His name is Pablo Torre.

And the bathtub is here today.

We're gonna wheel out the bathtub.

Is it um, I don't want to call the do not play the clip again.

I just am at did we ever see a

what no

no

do we ever see a wide of the tub?

Oh my god, it's like look at look at the texture of it.

It is the slurping does turn it off.

Do we ever see the tub?

Good night.

Good night, mate.

Is it like a claw foot?

Well, there you go.

Wide child.

Pause.

Pause.

Pause.

Legally, you have to pause.

So there's a wood sort of like uh well you think rim I guess I can't tell if it's old or new it's new it's definitely game used is the point no I meant like um if that's what kind what type of what style of expensive yeah expensive so like the whole premise of saltburn is that these guys are doing stuff inside of this estate yeah in England

that's the whole point that's honestly like more or less the point they're like watching this house or something hey these guys are slurping each other's goo in Jacob Laudi's family, they have this estate.

Okay.

And they

called Saltburn, I guess.

Yes.

And these are like two buddies.

So

longer, longer story summarize is that Barry Keugen.

I don't know.

I think it's just

I thought it was Keegan, but no, I think he's Santa Rosa.

Say years ago?

Keegan.

That's right.

Barry Keugen is a student at the same school, and he gets taken in by Jacob Alorty.

And it's this whole kind of like difference in class dynamic.

But Barry Kegan is also like this incredible

con man,

in other words, talented Mr.

Mr.

Ripley.

One might even dare say.

Anyhow, this guy bought this bathtub for $4,375 in an online auction.

Talented Mr.

Sip me?

Is that something?

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

No, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Sorry, you were saying.

If you weren't sure that that Katie is lightly stoned, God, what?

When people ask Mr.

Harvey, this guy's name is Mr.

Harvey, his first name, I believe, might be Steve.

Steve Harvey.

Oh, my God.

Bought very tough.

Steve Harvey.

That mustache doing work on that tub.

It's like.

When people ask Mr.

Harvey what he does with the bathtub, his answer is simple.

Quote, I just look at it, he said.

I'm looking at it right now.

Barry Keuggan was right there.

It's so crazy to me, period.

End quote.

I mean, this is, this dude is a, I mean, if I had to guess, an outwardly extremely horny guy, whoever bought this.

But he's a movie.

If it wasn't a movie collector guy, then I would feel like more so that.

But movie collector guy, if he wants to collect all the iconic things from movies, he could power through,

you know, how weird.

That is.

It just feels like you've got that thing in your house so someone can say, what is this?

And you can go, have you seen this scene scene from Saltburn?

But how many, what are the other?

Do we know the other?

Already better than his, if I may.

Do we know what other things from what other movies he has?

Other Saltburn memorabilia he bought in the auction.

Oh, well, that's different.

That's also

a frame photo of Mr.

Alerti and Mr.

Keogan.

Okay.

And ensembles that the actors wore in the film, which won awards for costume production design.

Also, the bathtub came complete with stains around its drain.

Oh, my God.

Fake stains.

Stains like stains.

I'd call it a stain.

The designer has said that they were made using edible paint.

Stain.

Okay.

Edible paint stains.

I know.

In case Kyogan accidentally dislodged some of the stains, they were edible.

Stain a tub.

I'm looking for one of you to take that over.

I don't think you can stain a tub with that.

Not with that.

I'm not aware of

the acid content being enough to stain the tub.

Mr.

Harvey estimated that he'd acquired about 200 pieces.

This is across all of cinema.

And that he had paid about $70,000 for all of them.

Though a handful total had cost him thousands of dollars, most were bought for hundreds of dollars, he said.

They include dozens of clothes previously owned by Joe Exotic.

No.

Subject of the Netflix documentary series, Tiger King, several outfits worn by Lady Gaga in the film House of Gucci.

Okay,

a mask and two vans from the horror movie The Black Phone.

Never heard of that.

Familiar.

I don't like horror movies.

A horse trailer from Twisters.

Okay, sick.

And a diner sign from Friday the 13th, one of his favorite horror films.

That's cool.

Okay, so it's kind of all in like a big warehouse.

In his residence, it seems.

Okay, so he's having that moment you described like 50 times throughout his.

And have you ever seen Friday the 13th?

This is a sign from that.

There are

lots of people who buy at auction props, costumes from movies, memorabilia.

I mean, which is not...

unfamiliar to anybody who owns like sports memorabilia, of course.

Like this is their version of that.

And so

who am I to say that you can't have in this photograph, a framed autographed photo of Joe Exotic, I guess.

I guess.

I don't know.

But I think the bath, I'm interrupting you.

The bathtub is for sex thoughts.

That's, you're not getting that.

You could get, you could have got all the other shit and not got the bathtub.

Well, can I make the only argument for it being

not for that?

And I think it's that it was such a moment of like everybody was talking about it.

Like it was a very like a good or bad.

People were like, Did you see that scene?

That's why Pablo said that scene.

I only happened to have seen the other scene, but you can't buy a grave.

You can't buy the grave.

They weren't letting you.

And so it was like a very talked about, very shocking scene.

And so it really, to him, maybe potentially, I'm not the guy.

I'm not Steve Harvey.

So I don't know.

Maybe he was just like, it's a, look, this is a piece of like history.

Not saying whether he's right or or wrong or even if this is a thing he thought, but it like,

I mean,

Kyle Harvey said, quote, it's a piece of history.

Okay.

That, that's how did I had TikTok going for days.

Did that, that's crazy.

That is crazy.

It's crazy because I know you didn't read this.

You know, I didn't.

I didn't even know.

Did I get to the point?

Immediately came up with the same excuse that a

known sex pervert came up with.

What does that tell you?

Immediately.

Right off the top.

Is there anything you guys would want to own from any of your favorite shows or movies?

Like, is there a severance object

that you would like?

Is there what?

So there are some options here, just because I know, for instance, like our friend David Sampson here at Metalark Media is one of the things that you're doing.

Shout out to my buddy.

Your friend.

Davey Samson.

Your friend.

Mr.

Sampson, my man.

Ah, a stories I could tell you about Dave.

My God, do we have time?

He owns the FedEx box from Castaway.

What the f?

This is like Darren Revelle.

Wow.

It's not unlike Darren Revelle.

He owns the pocket watch from Castaway.

Okay.

This is so he's we're getting a real castaway vibe here.

He doesn't have Wilson.

There's no way he's got Wilson.

He does not have Wilson, but

God knows he was.

He's his wife in Castaway.

Oh, yeah.

I've like memory, I've wiped that from my memory completely.

Girlfriend.

Sorry.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

Nope, not to put any pressure on them.

Whenever they're ready, you know.

David Sampson also owns Will Farrell's hospital gown

from Stranger Than Fiction.

Wow.

Stranger Than Fiction.

Certainly not in Will Farrell's top

five

thousand

movies.

I liked it too, but I'm still like, that's not what I would have guessed.

You're not thinking,

it's not the first.

It's not, it's not.

No, and I would argue even the soccer one comes to mind before this.

And that's how well you know what that one is.

That's the soccer one.

And what is it?

Kicking and screaming?

That's right.

It's pretty low-key.

Good movie.

And I say low-key because I'm young.

Let's go to the next.

Speaking of younger we have.

He owns the teddy bear

from MASH.

This is a radar's teddy bear.

I'm too young to know what that is.

This is so dick.

Too young to know what that is.

I mean, look at that.

It looks, I would say, vaguely terrifying.

Yeah, I do feel like I had a teddy bear that kind of looked like that with the weird mouth.

The teddy bear does look like it's been drowning in the salt bird tub.

Wasn't mad.

Okay, why do we gotta go back to it?

Covered in.

Is there an HR I can hit up on my way out here?

There is definitively.

I feel I'm being bullied.

No!

No!

My God, it's so milky.

I should also say that I also do not want to see that video.

Thank you.

Well, I have been.

things.

I'm just a me thing.

So that t-shirt's gigantic.

We're not going to play it anymore.

Okay.

Just kidding.

We are going to play it.

Play it again.

It's that noise.

You hear the noise and you're like,

I'm going to have a Pablovian shiver response to it.

Pablovian.

Oh, my God.

Oh, God.

What did we find out today?

Um, as usual, nothing, Katie, as usual, nothing.

You always claim that you found out nothing.

And Pablo Torre finds out a show about finding out stuff.

And you inevitably do realize at some point we found out so much today.

So much.

Such as.

Such as.

Oh my god.

Son of a God.

I found out

this isn't the safe space I thought it was.

I found out I'm not safe here.

I would like to have us edit into Michael Cruz Kane's severance scene footage of Michael Cruz Kane talking on this episode that Adam Scott is watching.

Can we do that?

Put it in the TV.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I want this episode to be in the TV that Adam Scott is turning on.

And His head is blocking

this.

Us two are on the side that you can see.

Ben says, you know, listen to this episode of this podcast, call you guys, and be like, it would be funny if you blocked his head.

Yeah, that would be funny if you did that.

Turns off the TV with the remote.

End episode.

End episode.

Pablo Torre Finds Out is produced by Walter Averoma, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rob McRae, Rachel Miller-Howard, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Claire Taylor, Chris Tuminello, and Juliet Warren.

Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our sound design by NGW Post, our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo.

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