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I feel like we should do a sports topic, but also we prepared 150 or so scouting reports on rules of etiquette that all speak directly.

I can't do this.

I can't.

I've got in front of me 500 papers, and I want to talk about everything on all of these lists.

What would you prefer?

I'm down to either.

I mean, the the football story isn't really a football story about the Dallas Cowboys, but it is certainly much more connected to football than the etiquette stuff.

No, I do.

I wouldn't knock out the Cowboys story.

I'm just, I was more asking you, how do you guys want to do this?

There's too much.

Okay.

All right.

So what we're going to do.

Take control.

Okay.

This is me getting this together.

We're going to do the first story because this is a show that does stories in a share and tell format.

And then we're going to do a draft.

And you're going to have to stick around through this very professionally executed tease and break to find out how that goes.

We're on the air.

The first story I brought you is a story about about etiquette, actually, and what's okay to do inside of a football facility.

And for those who are just unfamiliar, maybe with the culture of football, when I think about the culture of football inside a practice facility anywhere, I think about paranoia and confidentiality and privacy, right?

These are state secrets.

These are billion-dollar enterprises all competing to get tiny edges over each other.

And what the Dallas Cowboys have been doing, as reported exhaustively and very cleverly by Kaylin Collar over on ESPN.com, is invite people onto tours multiple times a day, every day, Mina, of the star, right?

So this is the Cowboys practice facility.

No other team does it like this.

They will do tours of stadiums, they'll do tours, but they will avoid deliberately the prospect that maybe you'll run into in this case, in this story, on a 10 a.m.

tour on a Friday before the Cowboys play the Lions, you'll see Dak Prescott three feet away from you in a hallway.

You'll see Micah Parsons working out.

And Jerry loves this.

Of course, there are fees and prices.

You can buy these tickets on SeatGeek, actually.

That's the way Jerry Jones is doing it.

No one else does it like this.

And it turns out, spoiler alert, the Cowboys players, especially the former ones, we should say, most clearly on the record,

they think it gets in the way of actually shockingly winning football games.

And it's just such a revealing story about the business of football as practiced by the most successful businessman in football.

So this is a great story.

I really recommend people reading it because Kaylin has so much great detail and she gets Jerry to talk about it.

And at one point, he says even negative attention, and he kind of can tell the direction she's going in here, about these tours is good because it's more publicity for the tours, which is kind of Jerry Jones's.

business philosophy in a nutshell.

All attention is good attention.

But in this case, it is, as you said, something that has really bothered the players.

In fact, I first learned about the tours in the beginning of the year.

It was actually in March of this year when Dalton Schultz, who was a Cowboys tight end, now he's with the Texans, and this is mentioned in the story.

He says he's kind of glad he's no longer there because it's a zoo.

They've got a one-way mirror for people to like look at.

Like it's literally, it's a zoo, dude.

People tapping on the glass, like trying to get people's attention as if they're doing, you know, power cleans or whatnot.

And it's just, it's different.

And I mean, that's the brand that they've built.

That's, you know, that's what Jerry Jones likes.

That's the way that they run things.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

It's just, you know, you don't realize like how many, you know, eyeballs and how

much that can maybe, you know, distract from, you know, stuff just in the locker room being in the facility until you go somewhere else.

That's the phenomenon that Kaitin describes.

I mean,

there's,

there's no world

in which this is a defensible way to run a workplace, any kind of workplace.

It seems crazy.

I didn't realize it was like this.

It seems crazy to me.

Oh, but wait a minute.

But wait a minute.

When you say there's no world where this is an acceptable

workplace, no, there's Jerry's world.

He gets to make the rules on commerce.

And

if you want to be a customer of his, you will do so under his conditions.

All of us can object to it, but Jerry gets to make all the rules because Jerry has all the power, Jerry has all the money, he's the most powerful man in that sport, even though he hasn't won anything meaningful in 30 years.

And largely, his team is as famous as it is and gets the ratings it does without excellence because he knows it's the zoo/slash circus and he's the ringleader and he gets to make the rules on how the animals are treated.

Like, and I, and I don't like to say it that way, but if it's the circus, he's the carnival barker, he's the zookeeper, and the employees, no, you will not kneel before a flag.

You will not.

No.

And if I want to tap on the glass and have my customers watch you work out, I'm going to do that too.

So here, this is what I want to actually get into because

I said it's indefensible.

The defense of it, the one that Jerry Jones would certainly mount, and the one that I think some folks around the NFL might agree with is that it's good for business, right?

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Exhibit A, look at this team.

As Anne said, they're still the, you know, the biggest franchise in America.

They're unbelievably successful, even without recent football success.

I would push back on that.

I, I actually don't agree with the idea that he's some brilliant businessman because,

like,

first of all, I could buy an NFL team

in the 1990s,

crawl into a hole, never come out, and I would have instantly made a bazillion dollar return.

So there's that, right?

The other thing is, because the Cowboys were good in the 90s and it was such a formative period for the NFL and for fans, I think a lot of this fan base is just legacy from that period.

I don't really buy the idea that all of this circus and hoopah around the Cowboys are dramatically increasing the value of the franchise the way that I think some people do.

Am I wrong in positioning it that way?

No,

I think that's the argument that Jerry himself is making unapologetically, by by the way.

What I will point out is that Jerry Jones is not just quoted in this piece in a in a really like almost nostalgically classic way in which an owner used to engage a reporter, Dan.

I did this with Jerry in his office 25 years ago.

Where he does the reporter thing of putting his hand on your knee and talking you through, yes, I'm in the entertainment business, son, and I'm here to, you know, do press conferences and do it my way and be the owner on the sideline.

No one else does that.

My team, my toy, I will do whatever it is that I wish with it.

Part about this that gets objectionable for me is he allows the customers an access to private time because employees work for him and he's in charge of the entire business and he doesn't have a union that he answers to.

It seems very clearly bad.

But I want to push back, Dan, on this idea that it's good business.

I keep going back to this.

Like, I understand, and Pablo, you said, like, Jerry Jones was very forward-looking when it came to promoting this business in the 90s.

Dan, you talked about, you know, interviewing him, and it was very deliberate, and no doubt it was effective.

I do not think you can credibly argue that this kind of thing is actually, I understand that he says they made like, what, $10 million a year off of it?

I'm sure, whatever.

But

I do not think that these like small incremental gains he gets, whether it's attention or tickets sold, are actually good for the Dallas Cowboys as an organization in the long term.

I feel like that it's actually kind of a dated way of thinking about this team.

Yeah, I want to clarify how the money is made here because Mina cited, you know, like an eight-figure return on this stuff.

$40 a tour.

$70 for, quote, an authentic letter of fandom from Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, plus a souvenir tote, plus a pin, plus a coupon for the food and, you know, the gift shop.

$90 as an add-on for a Q ⁇ A session with an AI version of Jerry Jones.

That was a actual plot line in The Righteous Gemstones.

Hey, y'all.

Boy, I've missed worshiping with you.

I'm so glad we get to do that today.

Do you remember that?

Like they tried to sell them on making a hologram.

But let me ask you, Amina, can I ask you before you continue, Pablo?

If he can make $10 million, are you saying that it does more damage than $10 million?

If we're doing this as simply math business calculus, he's just arguing, and you're saying, what?

You're going to lose free agents.

You're going to lose humanity.

Your players are going to not play for you during tough times because they don't like to be this, you know, this much of a commodity?

I think that, yeah, if you believe, as I do, that all of this is actually counterproductive to running, operating, building a successful football team, and I genuinely believe it is after hearing these players and seeing the product on the field and looking at what they do in free agency or what they don't do, then yes, I think you're actually eroding the long-term value of this franchise in pursuit of these small gains.

I really believe that.

But, Mina, forgive me, Pablo, but Mina.

If the goal's not winning, if success is measured in dollars and the standings are incidental, the Cowboys are an afterthought if we were doing just their record the last 30 years.

He's doing this from a playbook that might be dated, but it obviously works.

Like winning isn't the, the point isn't winning.

It's he's got the most valuable franchise.

That stadium is the biggest on earth.

He makes a ton of money and can push around Bob Kraft even though Bob can keep Bob Kraft out of the Hall of Fame, even though Kraft's the one with all the recent titles.

What I'm disputing is the idea that the value of the franchise is in any way tied to any of this bullshit.

Pablo, do you disagree?

Here's the argument that I'm going to make, which is that this Mina, I think, has a case of thinking like

an actual football executive here.

But I'm going to give a wrinkle there, right?

Because if you're a football executive, it's very clear that this is not additive.

You don't need the $10 million.

You'd rather have players regard your organization as all of these sources that Kalin talks to on the record and off are saying

they are enjoying not being with the Cowboys because no other team does this.

And it's actively getting in the way of trying to win football games, which is the whole religion of, again, a football person.

The business here that I think should be rooting for Jerry to remain stuck in this playbook is the media.

Like, it's good for our business.

Like, the case I want to make is that Jerry Jones, the guy who still is living in a version of reality where he's the guy who put cameras in the draft room and the cameras have resulted, as he says in the story, in ratings that exceed the World Series, right?

Jerry is also the guy, as he also famously did this month who is still making local radio appearances with paid people who are like you know again on his payroll essentially but these are antiquated things that all red down to the idea of if you're gonna run a circus you are gonna get attention and the people who benefit more than the team at this point because they don't need it are the people who talk about this stuff and actually I think as I said earlier are nostalgic for an era when athletes and especially owners needed to be thirsty for your gaze.

And that has absolutely changed otherwise.

The media benefits, sure, but the person who benefits the most is Jerry Jones.

I think that's why I get like my hackles go up a little bit when he's painted as this like brilliant businessman.

And there's this idea, like if he didn't do these tours and he wasn't in the front of the press so much, would anyone care about the Dallas Cowboys?

He does it because he likes being a celebrity.

He's not big braining everybody, right?

Like it's not like, oh, the Dazz Cowboys are only value because unlike every single other team in the NFL, their GM never shuts the hell up.

He does it because he loves being famous.

That's it.

I do think the wiring of this man is the actual answer to why all of this is happening.

Mina, you know, said as much, right?

He's addicted to celebrity and the spotlight.

And just to give you a sense of this, right?

This is both a look at me, Louie, and I will take the sounder.

I deserve it.

But I, like Dan, also had an encounter.

There it is.

I, like Dan, had an encounter with with Jerry Jones when I was like a fact-checker, low-level reporter at Sports Illustrated.

I was assigned to do a story on Miles Austin, right?

So I'm in the building and I am in, they put me in like post-game in Jerry's box.

And I see Jerry walk up and he's led by Rich Dalrymple, his now former PR right-hand man.

And Jerry does the thing that you've seen any like politician do before a diplomat.

He leans over to Rich Dalrymple, who covers their mouths with like a leather folio.

And clearly, Jerry is asking him, who the f is this guy?

What's his name?

And Jerry Jones, who I've never met before, says, Pablo, welcome.

And I'm just like, he doesn't need to do this shit.

But the way that he is wired is he

actually does want attention and media to care about him.

And what I'm expressing here is

There is a last of his kind dynamic to Jerry Jones.

There are lots of NFL owners that are greedy and morally compromised, but in terms of the sheer desire and the thirst for that attention, I'm going to miss this guy on that level because they don't need us and that's the last guy he's pretending like he does.

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so can you help me how we're doing explain to me how we're doing the draft are we selecting the ones of these that we want

yeah so just the way this is gonna work we are now in the etiquette war room okay so there are 150 or so of these rules post-pandemic rules as laid out by the cut

and

i have prepared i have a big board I have takes.

I have prospects that I think you guys love that I hate.

I've gamed this whole system out.

So I think, Mina, we should start with you.

Well, I want to go first.

Dan just wants to go first.

He was trying to

sneak.

Fine.

Let big Dan Lebetard

have the first overall pick.

If you're dating adult, you should own lube.

That's a good one.

Go on.

You can't just say that.

You can't just drop that.

No, that's

away.

The problem I have is that I have 100 of these or more in front of me, and I think all of them are great.

You may callously cancel almost any plans up until 2 p.m.

I love that one as a discussion point because I don't know the right time to call someone or tell them I'm not coming to something.

It's acceptable to tell any kind of lie in order to leave a drinks date.

Any Any lie,

you're drafting like three things.

Yes.

I've got a hundred of them.

I want to take a hundred of them.

You don't have enough lube on your takes right now.

You're just ramming this right in.

I want to build a time machine and go back to before I heard both of you say the word lube in front of me.

I know.

I know.

I did that purposefully, but it's unpleasant.

I agree.

I mean,

would you like to start over?

Because I'm looking at this and I've got no.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't, no, no, no, you can't drop that and then

smile and back away and let us wiggle with discomfort.

Okay, no,

I've never,

you have to now give an opinion about that.

Okay.

So before reading this as number 18 out of the hundred or something others that were here, if you're a dating adult, you should own lube.

It is not something that I had ever considered in any way before this that people were sitting around thinking about, talking about, considering.

I am not someone who at any point in my life, and I did some dating, obviously, between 30 and 50

making him answer this.

Between 30 and 50, had ever considered the idea of I should know this, that this is something that I should consider.

Dan can't even make eye contact.

For those not watching on YouTube draftings, you are Dan made zero eye contact at the end of the day.

I had 20 years of not knowing that I was supposed to be doing something that I was not doing.

That's what I'm saying.

With the second overall pick in the etiquette draft, Pablo Torres Alex, rule number 23.

If you've met someone and they clearly don't remember your name, this is on my list, too.

Hi, we've met.

I'm Pablo.

I'm fill in your own name.

We got to help each other out in these dynamics, right?

Like, there have been so many times, Amina,

where you just got to say it so that you avoid the just mutual awkwardness.

Wait, you agree with this?

I think you got to say it.

Yes, yes, yes.

I never say it.

If I meet someone and they don't remember me, I

never

tell them that we've met before and because I don't want to make them uncomfortable.

And I also feel like...

What's to gain from that?

Like, what is the benefit of pointing out?

Because they're going to end up dancing around addressing you without your name and you can take and look I granted this is also against type for me I it's great to see you that's what I say it's great to see you okay so Dan way in here because we're on opposite sides well I've made a mistake though here I see this is when people uh feel like I should know them because I get some of this right I've got the crappiest form like you guys do the crappiest form of the crappiest celebrity where actually you guys probably have a better form of it now because you're still on television but what would happen to me a lot is that people would meet me and then meet me a second time and clearly expect me to remember the second time I'm meeting them.

So when I would say, nice meeting you the second time, I'm now in a conversation for a long time about how I didn't remember the first time I saw them.

They've already met me.

And so it took me about 15 years to learn what Mina has already learned, which is good to see you.

And just sort of that, that's good enough.

Good to see you.

Good.

Okay.

So what I fully agree on is that it should always be see instead of meet.

That totally, totally.

But in terms of like, hey,

you know,

you don't remember me.

I do want to, I feel obliged to say like, yeah, hey, we've met.

I'm Pablo.

You know, like, there's a way.

There's, there's, there's a way to do it.

The, the parallel rule that I will say before I hand it over to Mina for her pick is I

think she's still mortified by you.

I don't think she wants to leave here because

it's mortifying.

Look, the rule,

the other trick.

You're making someone feel bad.

You're making someone feel.

I'm actually very surprised, Dan, because I thought Pablo was

very aligned.

We've talked about this on this very show, how we are constantly living in fear of making other people uncomfortable.

This is the product of a lot of work that I've done on myself.

Truly.

Telling people

we've met.

This is going to be a positive.

This is going to be you boundary setting.

I exist, and I want you to acknowledge that you have met me existing before.

The other rule, though, in terms of like meeting people is just always asking for their name and then saying it back to them at the end of a conversation.

I've done a lot of work on that because the payoff, guys, is tremendous.

It's tremendous.

This isn't about the name.

This is not about the name.

It's the shame.

This is a rule and a question and a topic that is entirely about the concept of shame because when you do this, you risk shaming the other person.

I once had someone do this to me very aggressively.

And when we read it, I was like, oh, hey, great.

Glad we were together.

This person, he said to me,

yeah,

we've met multiple times.

Sorry, it was multiple times, I guess.

Am I going to come across the villain of the story?

I just realized.

Okay, sorry.

Let me finish.

He said, we've met multiple times.

Guess I wasn't important enough for you to remember.

I wish you could have seen my soul leaving my body in that moment.

Show me the lie.

Show me the lie.

Mina, that is exactly what Pablo is doing more efficiently.

He's doing the delivery is the same.

It's got an undercurrent of

met before.

Yeah, it's such an it's an

I never do it to people for that.

I'm just so afraid of we all deserve to.

We all deserve to.

Mina?

I want to talk about this one because it's something that we have discussed a lot, that we both do a lot, that we do it for content.

It's Rule 39.

Don't tell people they look like other people.

This is on my list, also.

This is similar to the one you just discussed, in that there is a very fine line and there's an incredible element of risk when you do this.

So I do it when I believe it's flattering.

However, there's not universal agreement about what a flattering comp is.

So I could say to Pablo, hey, Pablo, you look like the Filipino guy in Miss Rachel.

He might be Filipino.

I think he is.

It is, in fact, a Filipino guy in that show.

He has good bone structure, actually.

I'd see, I think that's a flattering comp, so I feel comfortable saying it.

Dan, would you, do you do that?

Because you do it in work

all the time.

The looks-like game.

You made a whole franchise about it.

Yes.

And so I, yeah, I like looks-like, but I can see where it might be dangerous around certain things.

It is a dangerous game.

That's right.

The looks-like is a dangerous game.

I agree with that.

Pablo and I are responsible for this, probably the single most insulting Dan comp of all time during the

pandemic era HQ.

Do you remember this, Dan?

I mean, you guys are all

thinking so.

Honestly, we've insulted Dan so much over pandemic era HQ that I don't know if I remember this.

I've gotten Flounder from Animal House, I have gotten Chris Penn.

I don't remember the one that you're about to hit me with.

It was

Hugo from Lost Hurley.

Oh, yes, I remember this now.

Yes, this is a good one.

It's a good one.

They'll put it up on the screen, and everyone will agree with this.

And I deserve this.

And yes, it's a good one.

I agree.

So,

as far as we'll put a button bow on this, unflattering comps, you can do it to yourself, right?

I can't tell Pablo you look like XYZ.

I don't know.

I can think of something, but I can say, because it's funny, that I look like a young Joseph Gordon Lovitt.

And I can say that.

Or Tim Linsecum.

Tim Linsecumb.

is dead on.

Noted half Filipino, Tim Linsecum, incidentally.

It's just accurate.

It's a little bit of tipping

If you say that, that is crossing the line.

All right, Dan, you're up next.

Forgive me, guys.

Forgive me because I've been listening to you, but I am just going through all of these because I want to do so many of them.

So, just for your perusal, I'm going to say white people should always clearly pronounce 50 cent.

He's not fitty to you.

I'm just going to throw that out there.

We're not going to do that one.

Except that.

Do not touch the small of my back to move around me at the bar if you're ugly

if you're ugly was the qualifier i wasn't expecting on that one uh this one i was stunned by number 38

always wink

just that always wink yeah that yes to wink at people as a way to be charming or i i just didn't think that always wink would be on there this one mina i've done before

number 35 don't address two or more women as ladies.

I have done that before.

That is something I've done.

I'm going to say

like I'm a gentleman, like I'm Sean Connery.

Ladies, like in

a different time, I have done that.

I'm ashamed to say it.

And this one, I loved this one.

If your friend is dating someone you seriously object to, you have one shot to sit your pal down and say,

well, I want to get your opinions on this, but we'll tell you the most amazing story about it.

One time, because people listen to our show in a way that is intimate, I got advice.

I got a listener of ours came up at one of these settings and just simply asked me, What do we do?

We need advice.

A group of us don't like the woman our friend is about to marry.

It's about six dudes that are asking my opinion on this.

I don't know how to answer their question, but the next day on the radio show, we had a sports sports guest call in and we asked that person the question.

And he sliced right through it.

He's like, y'all get together, you pick the best guy, you tell your friend once, one time only on behalf of him, one time only, and you get out of it.

It was as if this person had considered this and had it happen to him.

And that person, Lamar Odom, went on to marry a Kardashian.

And it happened before all of that.

And so I submit to you guys, this seems like great advice.

Would you agree to it?

That's incredible.

First of all,

the intervention, the attempted intervention, Mina.

Yeah.

I've been part of one.

I had a really good friend who was dating a really horrible woman, like

possibly a compulsive liar, very like rude.

Nobody liked her.

And

all of, I would say his four best friends at the time, which I was one of them, we had like a big meeting.

It was like a mafia, like meeting of the four families, where we discussed how do we do this as a group how do we do an intervention and we actually came to a different conclusion which was that eat individually each one of us had to say something so that he would feel the way

oh my god wow that is that is a burial like you are changing that person's relationship like you're changing that way that the person

how they feel about someone what right like i mean

if but but if you have more if you have multiple friends coming to do this that it's going to actually impact the relationship or or some of the relationships.

I don't think I've ever had that happen to me.

No one's ever tried to intervene with any of my relationships.

I have

another draft pick that I'm going to segue to because this is also about how.

Stop trying to wink.

It's not working.

It's really.

They might not be able to.

Always wink.

Let's see what we've got here.

She doesn't know how to do it.

She's doing it incorrectly.

Yeah, I I don't think she's supposed to like.

Hold on, hold on.

No, left eye is better, so I can't wink with my right eye.

I have to say something sassy, like, nice work.

Oh my god,

that was sassy, that qualifies as sassy.

Nice work with a wink.

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Pablo, it's never too late to send a condolence note.

Never too late.

I disagree with that.

Is that what I was going to draft?

Stop trying to bring us to grief, okay?

Jesus.

Mine waiting.

Mine was going to be.

Oh, wait.

What was it?

Oh, no.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

The emotional truffle pig has found a draft pick.

That's That's what that was.

Mine, mine was in the realm of gestures, find your signature sign off and stick with it.

Right.

And there's a follow-up addendum to this, but if you can't find your way, consider, quote, as always,

signed your name.

I like that.

So the thing here to point out is that everybody is trying to strain to say all the best or what, you know, thanks, exclamation point.

I might steal as always.

I like as always.

That's so pompous.

Come on.

As always.

Pablo.

That's right.

Can you imagine emailing us and being like, yeah, guys, let's, I think Jerry Jones' story is a good idea today.

Let's draft some etiquettes.

As always, Pablo Torre.

I'm trying to think, Lena.

Of the most pompous way you can say nothing about yourself.

He, the, the regards.

I mean, yes, regards is heavy-handed here, but he's like, cheers, you like cheers, Dan.

You like that better than as always?

I go gracias.

I just say, I just say thank you.

Like,

as always, seems, come on.

Do you do wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you do entire emails in English and then just sign off with

that?

Sometimes, yes, sometimes I do that as the punctuation.

That's called an ethnic wink, by the way.

Can you imagine if I emailed everyone and I was like yeah yeah I've been looking at ReadPass concepts RPOs are really up

topic Mabuhai Pablo

love that I praise please make that something that come on make that more popular than as always as always has had my guess is if you look this up as always has had a hundred year run as

being used that way.

Let's do this, let's change the way the culture works.

By the way, I don't speaking of like you know, crisscrossing nationality or whatever, I don't like it when Americans say cheers.

I think it's it's like you're you're not British, yeah, you know, like come on, I'm with you.

It's like my other incredible pet peeve when

white people, of which I am half one, cheers saying salute

Somewhere, the outkick interns who are being assigned to watch every minute of these podcasts just got to minute 45 and they're like, she said white people.

I have one here at number 26.

If someone mispronounces a word, but you knew what they meant, move along.

I will always correct people and I feel like an

for it right now as I tell you, I will always make the correction, but I do it.

I genuinely do it because I think the person would want to know so that it doesn't keep happening to them later on.

You don't have to.

I was trying to remember if you ever

all the time.

Yeah, I was gonna say, Mina.

Well, yeah, I mean, Dan, speaking of pandemic era HQ, remember that show we did where you looked like Hurley from Lost and Mina did not know what a baby horse was called, and she kept on referring to it as a foul.

Yes, should be pronounced foul.

A foal,

a foal not a foal

look at what I'm saddled with here

yes we got stuck there yes are you gonna roll the footage of that Pablo we already did

come on keep up with the times Mina come on

foal

I learned a lot of my vocabulary from books Don't shame me

Mina, Matt Kelleher still makes fun of me because one of the first times I appeared appeared on PTI, I referred to it as an athlete having, a stylistic athlete having a certain panache,

a certain panache instead of panache.

Did you see that video of Aaron Rodgers saying we're something like the noum of the season?

I was like,

that dude just read that off of his word a day calendar is what that felt like.

He really leaned into the Frenchiness.

That's what makes it sing, you know?

He did.

And admittedly, I was grading him on whether he pronounced it correctly.

And he did.

He did.

Yeah.

It's just very funny when people lean into French words.

All right.

Am I up?

We.

Okay.

Oh, so many.

You look like Michelle Wee.

What?

What?

Not at all, obviously.

That's a compliment.

In my book.

Okay.

There's so many of these are actually.

Now that I realize this, a lot of mine are similar and it's interesting because a lot of ours are similar.

If someone starts telling you a story you've heard before, you have two seconds to tell them.

So again, similar

underlying tension here, which is shame, right?

Like you don't want to shame the person telling the story, but you also don't want to have to sit through the same story.

That's right.

It depends on how long the story is.

This I'm not good at.

I've not done nearly enough work on myself to get to this point.

I am the person who will happily grin and nod through a story I have heard a half dozen times before

same

i'd want to be told i'd want to if if i've told you a story before and i'm in the middle of telling it again i would want to be stopped before i tell it like i would want

suppressing so many

just spicy spicy comments about you observing that

i have let dan do this a lot to me

i hate that i hate that i hate that i'm that person.

I now look because you're being polite.

You haven't helped me be a better person because I'm in reruns with you.

I hate that I'm in reruns.

This does remind me, though, of another rule that made me think of Mina, which is she is the only person who practices this in my life, which is that it's rule number 129.

Hot gossip only goes in the voice memo, never in text.

I have a lot of people by life who do this.

So I don't know.

I might just know more, no, know more paranoid people.

Or you're just a hub of gossip, which is also,

I do love gossip.

I don't think people know this about you, Mina.

I don't think people know that you're a gossip.

I think they'd be surprised to learn that you're a gossip.

Pablo, you're a gossip, too.

You love gossip.

I'm a reporter.

Oh, wow.

He really just did that to you.

He hides his every idiosyncrasy and flaw under some shield of nobility.

Do you guys trust someone who doesn't gossip?

Ooh.

There should be a rule that is never made.

You should have winked.

Yes.

I thought you were going to end that with a wink.

I thought that you were going to be sassy.

You were going to be sassy.

No,

it is true.

Like, at this point with Mina, I just have, and both of you guys, honestly, we just have like compromat on each other.

So we're all just like mutually assured destruction.

Like, if one of us betrays the other, we're all fed.

She had it sold, though.

That would have been so memeable.

Her confidently hitting the wink at the end of that.

I've got one more.

I threw away all my hundreds of papers.

I don't know which rule it was, but you're not allowed to talk to your animal in your private voice in public.

How do you guys feel about this one?

Because I talk, I keep that private.

That's not something anyone has ever seen from me publicly.

Well, now I'm paranoid that I've told this story before.

But are you aware of the Lenny voice on my show, Dan?

So I am not.

For the first, well, thanks for listening.

For the first,

she only does it every single episode.

What should I do?

I don't do it every episode.

So the backstory is.

So I, like many people, I have a voice that I use to talk to my dog.

It's high-pitched.

I used to end every episode where Lenny got one question, and it was a rude, a purposefully rude question, and I would do it in that voice.

And

there were pretty offensive questions, to be honest.

The one that broke me was I had Matt Hasselbeck on the show.

Okay, last question.

So like I said, I'm going to read this in my dog's voice.

I can't believe I'm doing this.

I apologize in advance.

Please don't.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is a question from my dog.

Matt,

was Super Bowl XL the worst officiated game in NFL history or just one of the top five worst officiated games in NFL history?

Can I go back to that Dallas Philly game that I saw the other night?

The just utter shame and self-loathing that washed over my body.

I could never do it again.

And it is the number one complaint I get about my podcast is bring back the Letty voice.

People, in fact, I've been told I silenced Letty.

Yeah, we got to bring that back.

We got to bring that back.

It's weird that it's such a high-pitched voice because Lenny's from Alabama, so you would think I would do my spectacular southern accent.

But

before she can do that,

I'm going to go and draft another thing, which is

never answer a compliment with a compliment.

Yeah,

I'm totally down to do that.

So this is, so this is the influence of Dominique Foxworth, who has policed me.

I used to do this.

Dominique would call me up, and it's a big thing when Dominique says something nice to you.

And he says, like, nice show.

I just listened to it.

And I say, oh, yeah, man, I also liked what you did.

And he's like,

hangs up, and he hangs up.

And he's, I'm like, well, I just wanted to also say something nice to you.

He's like, that was obviously something that you manufactured because I said something nice to you.

You didn't mean that.

And this rule, number 24, is entirely about how someone,

yeah, like someone had told her, I like your pants.

And they panicked and said, I like your glasses.

And it was just totally, obviously, just the thing that no one actually believed.

And it was.

Dominique Foxworth could stand to read some of these, including number 122, don't ever message someone k

so that's on my list too dominique yeah he values authenticity though are we in agreement that he values like he doesn't want that compliment why would he want your bogus compliment that was just said because he gave you a compliment no but he but it it it might not be bogus but if it's

i believe uh pablo to be a charming bullshit and i don't believe dominique has got any time for to be deceived by your charming bullshit.

This is leading me to a corollary, which is rule number 123.

And Dominique violates this too.

If you're someone who types ha ha ha

to things that are actually funny, don't just say ha

when they're clearly not.

Oh,

yeah, that's a big Dominique one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because we're noticing that the most ever gotten more than two ha's max from him.

I don't think I've ever gotten an LOL, an LMAO, a three-ha.

Never.

Yep.

Yep.

That's why

I've gone to Lol.

I'm just the LOL guy now.

Because

Dan has ever expressed amusement over.

Yeah,

Dan never gives it up on text.

He never.

Are we thirsting for Haas from Dominique Foxworth?

I'm thirsting for television.

I'm thirsting for hees and for Haas.

Let me look at my text with him.

That sounded weird.

Let's cut that first part.

I'm thirsting for Haas.

No, it doesn't sound weird.

You should be third.

No, it should stay in.

You are thirsting for He's and for Haas.

I am not, I'm not good, I have realized, with positive reinforcement.

Oh, this leads me to a thing I also thought about with Dan.

This was a Dan rule where it was:

number 100, if you're a boss and you see your employees in the wild, greet them warmly but briskly.

Like, say hello, five minutes of engaged conversation

from Dominique.

Not a single haha.

Dan, can I give you a little bit of

feedback on that one?

The positive reinforcement?

And yes, I would like that.

And I would also like for you going forward anytime I'm two seconds into a story you've already heard before.

I insist you stop me on the spot.

It doesn't happen that often.

I feel like, Pablo, you can tell me what you think.

There's a vast spectrum when it comes to positive reinforcement and compliments from radio silence to

you are the greatest person to ever do this and you deserve millions and millions of dollars.

And

you really live on both ends and maybe you could live in the middle a little bit.

Dan is either always recommending you for a job you didn't ask for a recommendation for.

He's what I'm saying is like, how about some, yeah.

It's just radio silence.

Yeah.

Just some intermediate praise.

What have I learned this week?

What have I learned?

We've done this forced and inauthentic at the end of these podcasts every week where Pablo is assigning, you have to have learned something instead of we just made 50 minutes of television.

I just learned that my most confident friends, or who I view as the best friends that I have in this business at making amazing things, that they too need compliments in a way that Dominique Foxworth does not.

He does not care about your haws if they are insincere.

I don't know if he cares about your compliments that much if he is sincere.

But you just taught me that I have to be better at something that I'm just recently realizing that I have not been good at positive reinforcement.

So thank you for that.

I will be better about expressing to you and to others

how much I admire the work you guys do and the things that you are.

No, no, no, no, no.

Just gently.

You don't have to be super effusive.

That's it.

It's not that I want to be clear.

It's not that you don't do it.

You are the greatest cheerleader on earth.

But a little, sometimes a simple, hey, that was good will suffice.

Just, in other words, just a little bit of lube.

Just a little.

I knew he was going going to bring that back.

I knew it, and I dreaded it this entire time.

I'd forgotten all about that.

I'd forgotten all about that.

You know, so, Mina, what did you find out on Pablo Tori Finds Out a Show about finding stuff out?

I'm not sure I can wink.

Yeah, it does look like

a medical thing.

An allergy.

Yeah, an allergy of some sort.

Like you're, yes, either you're allergic to

bees and peanuts.

It's 2 a.m.

You're looking across the bar and this hits you.

What do you do?

Oh my God.

I'll tell you what I do.

I'll tell you what I do.

Oh, don't, don't try.

No, no.

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