Share & Celine & Tell with Michael Cruz Kayne and Katie Nolan

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But something I want to say about Indigenous people.

Okay, great.

Good.

Now that Columbus sucks, they're like, oh, he's Jewish, by the way.

F that.

I've never even heard that.

I haven't even still haven't heard that.

That Columbus is Jewish?

Well, I'm Italian, and Italians loved Columbus.

It's like part of our heritage.

Even though he sailed for Spain.

I know.

It's why I don't get it, but if I say that too loud, my mom will disown me.

So I feel like I just have to be like, hey.

I can say, I'm Jewish.

I'm Jewish and Filipino.

Did you just feel like you had to admit that?

I feel like I did.

Well, because

they secretly, this is already live streaming.

This is on true social.

I'm still with Filipino and Jew.

That's fine.

Does anyone else want to declare anything?

Getting a lot of thumbs down from the booth.

That's weird.

I did do ancestry.com recently.

I hope you didn't do any crimes or whatever.

You did the DNA.

That is something that I did not consider.

But you have to swap

to ancestry?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You mail it in.

Pablo.

We've been swabbing all sorts of things for the last three years.

They're making Pablos in a lab right now.

I know.

And lucky us.

And they're 8% Chinese.

8%?

Yeah.

That was going to happen.

The Filipino.

That's what I'm saying.

What are you looking at?

I'm looking up my ancestry.com.

That's topic number one, I feel like.

We'll just go through that.

I really did miscalculate.

This is,

I have to, this is a QR code now.

This is too much.

Do you have a QR code on you?

This is as far as I get.

I don't have that.

If I were trying to do something and I encounter a QR code, I go, well, that's, we didn't need to do that.

Back to the show.

Ooh, so they update,

they update based on other people's genetic information, what your genetic information is.

Live update?

Pause, pause right there.

So who you are is changing?

This is what I want to know.

I don't understand.

Based on guys, yeah, go ahead.

That is exactly right.

That's not.

So you sent in your DNA.

Based on that DNA, assign you a particular, or they

discover a genetic making.

They have to make the origins of that DNA based on matches with other people who have submitted via Cotton Swab their own genetic code.

But then one of those people, what?

How much genetic can change?

I'm trying to figure it out.

Are we in the matrix?

Because

this is where I don't know how any of this works, actually.

Okay.

But what I can tell you is that there is a map and it is informing me that I am now 9%

southern Chinese.

No, see, I was cool with eight, but nine's a little too much.

Also, nine,

I'm not understanding because I feel like, doesn't everything have to break down and

guess what else?

Powers of two.

No, I don't want to guess what else.

I want you to answer some of the questions we've asked.

Because all you're giving us is more stuff.

8% Spain.

Spain?

Not about Spain.

Pablo.

Pablo.

I mean.

Yeah.

I mean, my Filipinos, Cruz, you know there's going to be some Spain in there.

That's what it says on on the box.

There's going to be some Spain in there.

5% Central and Eastern China.

Wow.

So we're getting a lot of China for Central and Eastern China and what, China?

Southern China was the other one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No North China for you.

No.

You just haven't read far enough.

Scrolling.

Didn't I just say China?

Well,

there's so many people.

I can't brave you and say that.

I'm so sorry for reducing all of China to the word China.

Now, here's something.

1%

DAI.

Sorry?

AI

DAI D-A-I is a place that Katie Nolan should have learned about when she studied.

I know that's why I'm scanning my brain.

I'm feeling very stupid.

I don't like to look ignorant.

Admittedly, this is the first time I've ever seen this country at the bottom of Daikon.

I'm going to say Dai-related words, geography words.

Oh, here we go.

Is it like Thai, but a specific

subset of absolutely right?

Holy moly.

The Dai people are closely related to the Shan, Lao, and Thai people who form a majority in Laos and Thailand and a large minority in Myanmar.

I was going to say Myanmar or like I was going to, my next guest was Cambodia.

Ow.

It didn't hurt.

It just was loud.

I'm sorry.

So that's mostly me.

Okay.

And the rest is Filipino in various other, you know.

Yeah, do they break down the Filipinos?

They have to.

It's so.

38% Luzon, 22% Western Visayas.

Wow.

12% Central and Southern Philippines.

Very detailed.

5% Northern and Central Philippines.

Wow.

Okay, but now here's a question, question: may I ask?

And I'm not trying to ruin your day.

But knowing that you've submitted that and that you're learning so much about who you are from that, and also knowing that the people who have that can change the numbers to it at any given time.

Based on upgrading and

you still haven't really talked about that.

I don't know why you say updating anymore because you don't know what you're talking about.

Listen, aren't you afraid that you might one day go basically and look in a genetic mirror and the thing reflected back to you is not actually true?

Last year, I was part Portuguese.

And now that's just gone.

now I'm now it's I'm I'm one percent die that's up I mean because aren't you out like buying flags and stuff and being like you know

who's Portuguese is that colonialism because Portugal's not near

yeah I mean yes that that but maybe a Spanish guy hooked up with a Portuguese lady and then they had a kid

didn't you hear that 23andMe are like out of here and so somebody can swing in and scoop up and buy all their genetic material i'm gonna do that i'm gonna jump down i don't think they they meant a person.

I think they meant like

I always think

about it.

Okay, hold on.

Here's a timely article headline.

September 20th, 2024.

What happened to 23andMe?

It's not going great.

Yeah.

All seven of the company's independent directors resigned en masse.

Have you heard about this?

I think I have.

It's ringing a bell.

Did he say that word?

Ringing?

You could do it faster if you wanted, but it is technically.

It's ring-dinging that bell.

Yeah, not going great.

Great.

That's Pablo's.

Pablo finds out it's not going great for 23andMe.

They do tell you when there are cousins that pop up.

Did you find any new cousins?

Yeah.

I mean, I don't click on any of them.

The way you said yeah was disturbing to me.

You're not going to reach out.

Did you find new cousins?

Oh, yeah.

Wait, but you're not.

Are you going to reach out?

No.

No.

So

what are you going to do if they reach out to you?

Because now you're in the middle.

I haven't replied to any of them.

They have reached out to you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You get messages.

You get matches.

You're kind of

kind of like ethnic raya except you're not supposed to date each other i don't think well except the literal hopefully opposite of that i mean right oh no do you think there's a no don't do this don't plant this in my brain let's not even go down let's go i don't want to walk down that road as i say it's a constantly updating map oh god who knows what gets don't they misinformation alert don't they in um isn't it in iceland that there's so few people that they have to keep like a registry of who's related to who so that people don't accidentally marry their siblings.

I can tell you right away when you said in Iceland, I went, I'm not going to know this.

Whatever this is, I'm not going to do this.

Capital, Reykjavik.

Everybody knows that one.

Okay.

R/slash today.

I learned.

Today I learned

has such a small population that they have an anti-incest app.

So you don't end up hooking up with a family member on a night out.

Hosted by a user named Katie Nolan5454.

That's right.

Michael, what did you bring us today?

So I like, look, it's not even really an article.

It's mostly just a thing that I've been obsessed with, which is Kelly Clarkson singing other people's songs

on the internet.

So that's that's pretty I'm done now

I'm finished of course she does this and I wonder if people don't like that she does this I if I had a song and Kelly Clarkson covered my song I would quit making songs.

She's better at the songs than everybody than everybody else.

So I feel like it's really like obliterates the original.

People do say very commonly, a common thing I see when those videos are shared are like, this is Kelly Clarkson's song now.

Sorry, Sabrina Carpenter.

This is a Kelly Clarkson song now.

It's kind of like what Johnny Cash did with Hurt, except she does it with every song.

I hate, I don't want to have to do this in public because it's not a popular take, but I like that.

You like the original?

I agree with that.

Yeah.

I like it much better.

Who did the original?

Nine Inch News.

Kelly Clarkson.

It wasn't Kelly Clarkson.

I just prefer the, and I'm sorry.

And I know that's because I'm an uncultured swine, but like I've never heard that opinion checked publicly.

And I can't sit here.

I can't, I wouldn't have been able to sleep tonight if I went.

She recently sang a Celine Dion song, My Heart Will Go On.

And of course, it's always perfect.

Kelly Clarkson, the fact that she is doing this, it's crazy that she has a talk show and that that's what she does to me.

Celine Dion.

Yeah.

Had a reaction to this, which is very Celine Dion.

Is it that she says, screw that lady, that's my song?

Because that's what I want from my Celine Dionne.

Well, that's you.

Absolutely not.

The difference between Katie Nolan and Celine Dion is this.

Oh.

Kelly,

when I came back from the Olympics, I got to watch and listen to your reaction to my performance on the Eiffel Tower.

It was so sweet to hear you, your voice.

Your voice was breaking and it touched me so tremendously.

You were crying and then you made me start crying.

What's up with all this freaking crying?

And now I just saw you singing my heart will go on and I'm crying again.

You were

absolutely incredible, fantastic.

I loved it so much.

I hope we can see each other in person soon, very soon.

And I hope we're not going to start crying.

I love you so much.

Thanks.

Bye.

I'm obsessed with Celine Dion, too.

Just have you seen her?

Have you seen the documentary?

It's

sad is what it looks like.

Is it about stiff person syndrome?

Is it about what she's my father was tested for that?

So, like, when I heard about stiff person syndrome, I was like, I had never heard anybody else.

It's so sad.

Did you see the doc?

I would say that I saw.

80% of the documentary.

At a certain point, it felt like the narrative thread had kind of fallen out of the documentary.

And we were just kind of like watching random clips of Celine Dion.

And I was like, hmm, I think this might be bad.

But Celine Dion as a human being is, I think, fascinating.

And I say this lovingly, absolutely bad, it seems like, just like bonkers and kind of like very emotional in a way that I think is so fun.

I wonder if people, if young people fully appreciate Celine Dionne in the way that you want her to be appreciated.

To me, Celine Dionne is kind of talent-wise, Kelly Clarkson-ish.

It's like the incarnation of music.

Like she is a vessel for song somehow, and her voice is unbelievable.

And also she talks kind of like

a woodland creature.

Like there's something about her that's not quite tethered to reality in the way that you would have to be if you were that talented.

Right.

She has the effect of like one of those elves in Lord of the Rings.

Yes.

I think this is one, honestly, Galadriel.

That's right.

Flaxen hair, pointy ears, the celestial aspect of her, the sadness of this syndrome that she had, which is, for the record here, a rare neurological disorder of unclear cause, characterized by progressive muscular rigidity and stiffness.

But it renders her unable to sing in part.

So that's like kind of the crux of the

documentary.

And culminating in real life at the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics when she is on the Eiffel Tower, like belting

rays from, yes, the divine

sun.

Yeah.

And not an under, not a not an overstatement.

For all the people who were like, I don't like this.

It's too fresh.

The people who didn't like the opening ceremony, I was like, we got Celine.

Yeah.

We got her back.

And then Kelly Clarkson said, watch this.

Yeah.

Every night in my dreams,

I see you,

I feel

you.

That is how I know you

go on.

Titanic is where this originated, right?

Yes, Pablo.

What?

I didn't know if.

Sorry, I don't know if nine engineers had originated this.

That the heart does

go on.

It's an effortlessness.

It's crazy.

But you get the sense there's like such restraint in it.

She's like, I have so much more than this.

The amount of work that my body needs to do to hit one note of karaoke

is her like.

And the way it shows on our face.

Yes.

The veins.

Yeah.

She is like not breaking the slightest bit of sweat.

Oh, she went up.

Damn.

She doesn't even care.

Damn.

We'll stay

forever

this way.

You are safe

in my

heart.

And

my heart will

go out

and

And she's hosting it.

She's hosting a talk show.

That's what she's doing.

That's a clip from the talk show that she hosts.

It's crazy.

It is.

Have you ever seen a clip of the talking partner?

No, I have no interest in that talk.

I have not either.

Mostly a rumor, as far as I can tell.

So my thing is like, why don't we just have, why don't you just do this?

This is how I feel about it.

This is what we want to see you do.

There is a funny thing.

Why people who like talk shows have talk shows.

Honestly, it would not surprise me if her talk show was goddamn delightful.

You'd think you'd see it.

she's so pleasant she's so pleasant she's charismatic she's very sweet and down to earth one of those people who like when american idol were was a thing and i guess it still is a thing but like she i i just did not really guess it still is a thing says so much i saw somebody say it's funny that we held a talent competition to find the best singer in america and got it right on the first try

exactly

we could have just ended it and unfortunately they kept going i know carrie underwood also came from there and she was great and clay aiken well yeah bow bice Jennifer Hudson from Jennifer.

I don't want to misspeak.

I know Fantasia also.

Fantasia Barino.

Yeah, we did get a lot of great.

I'm not meaning to speak down to, but I mean, that first, I mean, that first season.

If you're talking about American Idol Mount Rushmore,

Kelly Clarkson is obviously the George Washington.

I think that's four Kelly Clarksons, to be honest.

It's kind of a boring mountain, but you're like, actually, worth it.

Six daytime Emmys for Kelly Clarkson.

So what in the world?

Yeah, I bet for what?

Best song on a daytime talk show.

She won for Outstanding

Daytime Talk Series.

Okay.

That's probably the best one.

I don't know.

What other are there?

Well, I mean, Jennifer Hudson, doesn't she have one?

Drew, doesn't Drew Barrymore?

Yeah.

And she sits very closely on the couch.

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I talked to a friend who's a respected music critic that I will not name by name, who told me recently.

Respected then?

Told me recently that he hates covers.

Oh, okay.

Hates the idea that another artist is.

Does he like the nine-inch nails version better?

Well, I guess he must.

Great.

Let me know who it is.

So I went to see Vampire Weekend, a band that I like, at Madison Square Garden two weeks ago.

Their post-encore performance is all covers.

They take requests from the crowd.

That's cool.

Really?

Yes.

People just shout stuff out.

Yeah, they got plants.

People hold up phones.

They hold phones ahead, like the streets.

Do they crowdsource?

Do people get together and go, we should all is it like improv where like they have plants?

You know how you improv people are always cheating.

Make the whole thing up.

People.

Wow.

Is it always sex stuff for Vampire Weekend, too?

Yeah.

Where they just got

penis.

Okay, we're playing penis again, too.

three, four.

I loved it.

I loved the.

What did they play for you?

They played some Billy Joel.

Cool.

But I'm a guy who loves a wedding band.

Sure.

Yeah.

This is a skill.

It's a real skill.

Yes.

Kelly Clarkson is as if your wedding band were God herself.

That's what it's like.

But this is also our culture, Michael, Cruz, Kane.

Okay.

Oh, Philip.

I didn't even think about that stereotype.

Aren't I one of the good ones?

I went to karaoke recently for for the first time in like 10 years and

loved it.

It's fun.

I used to go a lot.

Big room.

I mean, always, always common room.

Always big room.

Yeah.

Insane.

Not the new trend of get a private room and just you and your friends.

I'm private room only.

I'm not, I'm not.

Oh, this is interesting.

I'm not going to be out there.

It's like lights on, lights off.

I'm going to wait for everyone in here to sing a song.

That is the worst part, but the payoff is that they all have to listen to you and how you're going to do it.

I tell you what, I have done private room karaoke with one other person more than one time.

That's fun.

I'm not going to sit here and I'm not going to wait for every Tom Dick and Harry

and Sheila Sarah and there's only one for two of you in this town.

That's exactly right.

I get it.

What is your song?

What's your go-to karaoke song?

As a musical theater, you're also a musical theater person.

I will say something to add in this conversation I think is worth mentioning is my voice is incredible.

So let's just put that out there.

That's fantastic.

I will

sometimes for both of us.

I believe it.

Sometimes

boys to men, so hard to say goodbye to yesterday.

Okay.

Sometimes.

Sometimes the entire score of Les Minutes.

And then, you know,

I like a lot of Sinatra stuff.

Yeah, I mean, he has a lot because he gets to just keep getting on the mic.

We only have like one or two because that's as many times as you're getting up there.

Because if you're in the big room, you're going to get to sing one song and then you got to leave.

I could tell you what my private room and my and my public room song would be.

You have different persona.

Yeah.

So public room song is Criminal by Fiona Apple.

Okay.

And then in a private room, it would be, what is the name of that paramour song?

Misery business is a question.

Yes, thank you.

Misery business is the one.

Thank you.

Apparently, this is

if you don't put the name of your song

directly in your song.

I know it's business of misery, but if you don't put it in there, I'm always going to forget what it's called.

Sorry, that's how my brain works.

But I just, it's like, that's what I'm here for.

Let me get my money's worth.

I'm going for songs.

And when you do hit them, you're like, woohoo!

Or the next morning you go, I thought I hit those.

I was hammered by then, wasn't I?

And people go, yeah.

And you were into it.

Self-assessment of your own skill as a songstress, where we're like, what's your one to 10 on a one to Kelly Clarkson?

Well, I'm not taking anything from Fiona Apple even if I wanted to.

But I'd say, you know,

that song I've done so many times at this point, and I know all the little like parts of, if I'm having a good night vocally.

Yeah.

I'd say like a seven.

That's great.

All right.

Seven with a good attitude is, that's, that's the karaoke sweet spot.

The best thing about karaoke, too, is that you don't have to really know how you did.

All you have to know is how the room reacted.

And then you never have to see it again, which is why I got in almost a fight with a dear friend of mine recently.

We went and did karaoke for her birthday.

And while I was doing karaoke in the moment, fully in the room, I found out she recorded me doing it and sent it to Dan.

And I was like, that's fine.

No, it's not.

I was like, I was,

I was alone here.

I was alone.

I was in this room.

and now he's like seen me get way too into karaoke I'm only here for your birthday this is like when you're part of the

try to sing that's so embarrassing this is like dancing your porn history yeah kind of I guess if you want it I don't know

understand the reference

anyway so it's it's I like total eclipse of the heart okay now but total eclipse of the heart is that's a that's a that's a long piece I mean that sometimes gets a groan from the room Pablo you're kind of dominating the it's like doing paradise by the dashboard.

You're like, what?

I'm going to set aside a whole block for you.

The thing about me

is that I don't give a.

Sexy.

Cool guy.

Cool guy.

The thing that I wanted to bring to this topic specifically, though, as our culture is concerned, and this is our now, our culture.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Do you want me to leave?

No, no, no.

This is karaoke culture.

Katie Nolan clearly is

bone deep.

Yep.

This culture.

I didn't like it.

This clip from the Philippines of a cover of Beyonce.

Is it little boys singing?

Oh my God.

I know what the song is.

Michael, don't say another word because the answer is obviously yes.

Oh, yes.

Listen, it's listened by Beyonce.

I know.

So to set the visuals,

four little boys.

Well, the visuals are for everybody, but there are four little boys.

Vice Ganda is the name of the television personality host.

So, this is kind of like a TV,

it's a TV show, maybe the equivalent of a daytime.

I'm just guessing.

Maybe like a Kelly Clarkson.

This is boy number one.

Okay.

White button-down shirt.

This is boy number two.

He's wearing a gingham short sleeve.

Now, boy number three has like a bomber jacket.

He got a piece of looks like me.

You wish.

He does.

Oh, cause you won't.

I love when the accent slips in.

you.

This isn't Beyonce.

Is it?

I think so.

Listen.

It is.

Point number one.

And the host, if you're not sort of catching what's happening here, is like playing them like an orchestra.

Attack!

And also, the sound effects.

There's like a

movie

that's like Zucrew sound effects.

This show rules.

This is the best day of my life.

I've been waiting to play this clip for any reason for a year.

Just the stank face.

I get booked on a fair number of literally Filipino comedy shows.

And if they have the ability to show video, I always show this.

That's amazing.

Now, we are all boy number four.

If you just observe boy number four in the back, he's so happy.

He's so happy.

So, you know,

that's what a significant percentage of my genetic code is.

I think of that song as the national anthem of the Philippines.

Absolutely.

That was beautiful.

What happened in my brain when I thought that wasn't Beyonce?

I don't don't know.

What happened?

I think honestly, those boys sort of unmoored it from her.

It was theirs.

It was remotely.

It was theirs.

They Clarksoned it.

You could say they Clarksoned it.

Or, I mean, it's kind of, now that I think about it, it kind of draws us back to Christopher Columbus.

Oh, my God.

Something to think about.

Wow.

Wow.

Vaguely Spanish people taking something as their own.

Yeah.

Would love to see Christopher Columbus sing Lesson by Beyonce.

Internet, do your thing.

Do your thing.

Do your thing, internet.

So the story I bring you today is a sports story because this is a show about sports.

Of course.

Everybody knows that.

Muscles.

Stick to it.

So I don't know if you remember this, but The NBA draft had a bit of a mystery, a bit of a scandal that was a thing on the internet.

And it's the story that I've been thinking about ahead of the NBA season starting in earnest as the Utah Jazz in specific is starting the season tomorrow.

And if you don't recall what happened, I want to tell you about Kyle Filipowski.

Katie Nolan, what number of bells is this ringing in your brain, however faintly?

Out of how many bells.

I'd say it's ringing like two or three, but I don't want to be like, is this the guy who, and then be totally off?

He was a star at Duke.

Yes.

Okay.

He was supposed to be drafted in the first round.

He's one of those guys at the draft where it's like, he's in the green room and everybody thinks he's going to be taken and he doesn't.

And it's very embarrassing and many cutaways.

Sakai Filipowski looking sad in the green room at the NBA draft.

And in fact, like the scouting report had been, seven-footer who can play multiple positions, quote, seems like one of the safest picks in the 2024 NBA draft.

And instead, he is all alone.

As the song goes.

What song?

At a crossroads.

I also was like, what's he talking about?

I was hoping somebody else would do lunch with me but i didn't know the rest of the day you didn't forget that you didn't remember the word so listen okay i see i understand now to jonathan gavoni espn draft analyst explain why this happened

he's competitive uh you know the workouts weren't great people tell me there were question marks about the interviews they said he was nervous he didn't make shots at the pro day you know what's going on with his girlfriend this is all nonsense it's hard to find a seven-footer like kyle filipotsky who is this skilled.

Somebody needs to draft him way early in the second round.

Wait a second.

Wait a second.

Wait a second.

I'm obviously out of the loop on what the young kids are talking about.

What's going on with his girlfriend?

He has an older girlfriend.

She's like 25 or 26.

And people are like, oh, this is weird.

And it's like, give me a freaking

guys.

That's not the what?

What?

He doesn't talk to his parents.

You know, like, it's.

Oh, my God.

I got to get this guy in the podcast.

So shout out to Zach Lowe, host of the podcast.

I was going to say, whoever hosts the low post, obviously, very good at their job.

The real future.

Real future at that company.

During the draft, what happens is

this story is revealed to be a thing that everybody in the NBA is talking about.

And Kyle Filipowski's family, his brother Daniel, his mom, Becky, they go on Twitter.

I saw this.

There is the bell.

Yeah.

And so what Daniel Filipowski says is that his brother was a victim, a perfect pawn, a target for his girlfriends, lifelong, this is a quote, a lifelong scheme based on his human characteristics and growing potential as a high-level prospect, and began a pursuit of him with this age gap in mind.

His mom said that this has been a multi-year issue.

She is in her late 20s.

She had an end game to put a ring on her hand when Kyle left Duke.

He was still in high school at the time.

And there's just lots of stuff that gets to the realm of like, she is grooming him to this is a Mormon conspiracy.

And that was back during the draft.

And what has come out since has been both messy and scattered and something that I've been trying to report because I'm trying to figure out as I do on the show, trying to find out what is the truth here?

Like, did he actually drop because of this?

What is the actual connection between his now fiancé that got engaged and all of this controversy?

Like, what is the story?

And here are some basic facts that I want you guys to just, you know, reflect upon.

Okay.

How about being set up?

You know, so Kyle Filipowski takes his older girlfriend who's in her 20s to prom and posts a photo, you know, one year with my favorite person.

And this is a prom photo.

And, you know, he's 17, she's in her mid-20s.

So that's one fact.

Okay.

Second fact, an NBA source tells me, is that in the last two years, this is now going back to Duke, it was known at Duke that there was a family room where like the relatives would hang out

and the girlfriend and the mom would yell at each other in public, just like real Maury Povich stuff, soap opera in front of other people.

So this is not exactly subtle.

Number three is in that, because Kyle Filipowski is also the guy who,

you may recall there was a court storming and he hurt his ankle.

And in the crowd, if you zoom in,

there she is right there.

She's in the crowd, like being very animated, being very angry.

And so

just based on this alone, I want to give you one more fact.

Okay.

And the fact is that it's his fiancée's mom and Kyle's mom were really good friends.

Caitlin's mom and Kyle's mom were really good friends.

In fact, teammates in college.

Okay.

This was somebody that hung out with the family all the time, including family vacations.

They started getting together when Kyle was a post-grad year after high school at boarding school before Duke.

And Caitlin wanted to, you know, get a job, move to Durham with Kyle.

Kyle's mom called Caitlin's mom, tried to block it.

And Kyle was, you know, objecting.

And now you get the picture of a mom that doesn't want this relationship to happen.

And the opposite happened.

Right.

As often does at least

in the after school specials I was watching.

Yes.

And it culminated in an email that Kyle sent to the family basically saying, I'm breaking up with you guys.

Whoa.

And they're estranged.

And the family

blame it on Caitlin and all that.

And so this is a story where it's like, there is some there there.

But basically, I talked to an NBA scout whose team would have drafted Kyle Filipowski, and they were like, bottom line is you got to be better than your problems.

It's that sort of NBA scouting application.

That makes sense.

I think that's sort of, I mean, you both know sports much better than I do, but I imagine that's just sort of, I mean, not even in sports.

That's probably true in every situation.

So it's sort of like, this guy seems like a mess.

And so we're not going to take him because he's not good enough to justify the accompanying mess that we believe to be there, even if, of course, this could be true love

or something, you know, I don't know, stranger as a relationship dynamic goes.

But

it's just a story about how a kid has a significant other, a partner, whose family he did not want to date.

And that became the biggest story of the NBA draft.

So wait, he reminded me.

His family didn't...

Wait, what?

I know what you meant, but I think you said that.

I don't think I did.

Hold on.

What did I say?

You said a draft prospect whose family he did not want to date.

Yeah, and I don't want to date my daughter.

Whose family didn't want him to date her?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

That's a a quick pickup.

I got you.

That's a quick pickup on that.

Sorry, Pablo's on this new dating website where it's all people he's related to.

So

it's just like it's very confusing.

I have a feeling we're going to leave that in now.

I should have justified my error with a bit.

As we do.

Remind me.

Sorry.

How old are they again?

Kyle Filipowski is now 20.

Okay.

So she's 24, 25.

And she's in her late 20s.

Late 20s?

Yeah.

25, 26.

27, 28.

Oh, my goodness.

Okay.

There is the age gap parallel insofar as it's a gender flip on this.

Yeah.

Younger dude, older woman.

And we tend to not take a gender flip as seriously as the other way around in certain areas.

Of course.

Men as victims of things like this.

Yep.

And again, is he a victim?

This is where it gets to the point.

Right, sure.

I don't mean to.

No, no, no.

But these are the questions that prompted angry tweets from family members breaking their silence in public on NBA Twitter.

And also

now this question of, but they're engaged and they're in love, it seems like.

And maybe this is all like a family concern.

concern the reason i throw it at you guys's direction is like

is there any part of

a family doesn't want you to date this person and how that gets navigated and how that becomes disastrous um is any part of that dare i say um understandable how this happened and i can say

What it makes me think right away, it's not relatable to me insofar as I've always been better with the families of the people i date than even with the people i date the families

with families

moms love me you're a performer what's your handbook for charming

oh well you know what it is it's just listening brother just listening you know what i'm saying just hearing her out if it's my mom it's talking to her about me you're in

If she says, oh, she always does this, go, I know, right?

It's so annoying.

You're in.

She loves you.

She'll text you after we break up.

I have a son who is 15.

And if he was like, dad, I have a girlfriend and she's 20-something.

I would be like, I'm going to lock you in your room.

You're never going to see her again.

Right.

That's, it's just case closed.

That feels very, that feels instantaneous to me.

I'm wondering how he got able to, how this didn't get...

for lack of a better word, like nipped in the bud sooner.

If the child,

if the girl, the now fiancé, as I guess we're calling her, was

the daughter of her best friend.

One of her good friends, yeah.

How did this not, how was this not like, yo, get your kid away from my kid?

Like, I don't want, are we, is that friendship now severed?

They don't probably.

So, so, yeah, yes.

And how, this, is this, what is this, Romeo and Juliet?

This love is so strong with these young kids that it's going to break up

the existing social dynamics.

Now, flipping around, having been a teenage boy, I feel like

if the first person I hooked up with in my entire life, I was like, well, this is, this is, nothing will ever be better than this.

This is,

I would kill for this person.

So I could see how from his perspective, he totally.

I kissed this person.

I will go to war for her now.

You know what I mean?

I relate to that part.

The part of like, my first girlfriend, I wanted to be with for the rest of my life.

That sort of like naivete, fundamental naivete.

What Kyle Filipowski has said, or at least what his mom says that he told her, is that when he got back from his senior year of high school, he told his mom for the first time

that they were going to be, you know, a couple, that she would, the girlfriend would, protect him from other girls, drugs, and alcohol when he started college at Duke.

But the mother, according to her own accounting, was unswayed and began voicing concerns.

She said she would protect him from other.

And that was a selling point for him?

I'm not going to let other girls get anywhere near you.

And he was like, in college when you're on the basketball team wild i'm not understanding this at all i mean well he was a very focused young man he had dreams of making the nba and he was like this is obviously is his we know if his family is also quite religious or no we don't know uh not not as obviously i know they have like uh they're catholic because i could see that being a selling point if you are you know a commit committed to can i give you a little bit of a twist i love a twist i mean this whole thing's been a twist just a genealogical twist oh good Oh, okay.

That's fine.

We're going to find out that you're like part Puerto Rican right now.

He's no longer

a guy.

Kyle Filipowski has a twin brother.

Okay.

Who's also a basketball player.

He went to Harvard, played basketball there.

That's how I knew of him in the first place, Matthew Filipowski.

And so it's not merely that he has excommunicated his,

you know, mom, mom nagging me.

Like, this is, it's as intimate as I can't be with like my twin.

I think when you're talking about having a basketball, a twin brother who is going to the league or whatever, and you also played basketball.

And if you don't go to the league, it's just like physical evidence of like you did not work hard enough.

This exact copy of you did it.

And maybe you couldn't do it.

Maybe he had different priorities.

Maybe he's going to be

distracted.

Maybe he's going to be a CEO.

He's going to be a much younger woman.

Maybe he is going the other way.

And that is wonderful.

No.

And could you

actually change my mind?

I regret having said.

Can we cut cut this out?

Who do I talk to?

And while we're cutting, we could lose me, not knowing that song was by Beyonce.

Yeah.

I'm trying to give this the thought that it deserves.

Spoiler alert: I don't have a moral to this song.

Oh, you brought this for no reason?

I just wanted to throw this at you guys.

You wanted to bait us into saying problematic things.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Are we in Scientology now?

Is that what this is?

That's how it happens.

Oh, my God.

We're in.

I feel so clear.

I'm not grooming you guys.

Wow.

Actually, wow, I've known this for a while, but I still keep showing up.

I think, I guess my general perspective on it is

young with old, not good.

That's sort of my general POV.

And I think like once

once the younger person is like 30, then whatever.

That doesn't matter.

If you're a 30-year-old guy and you want to date an 80-year-old lady, I say good for you.

But if you're a 30-year-old lady and you want to date an 80-year-old guy, if you want to do that,

I say good for you.

Good for you.

If you're 15 years old, now I'm like, I think even the law frowns upon that.

I don't think 15, I'm saying

15 and 80.

Dicey, oh, no, the law's actually fine with that.

It's a weird, if you go,

you get grandfathered in.

That's that's the origin of that?

Yeah, I don't think so.

I don't think so.

This is, please just have something flashing on the screen that says we're joking.

Can we cut that out?

No, I just feel like where people, where it gets interesting if you are on the internet as much as I am, is where when you get into the like area of like 20s and 50s,

people get very like, you're infantilizing these women, or like, you know, but then there's a still part of you where you think about who you were when you were 21.

And then somebody you know right now who's in their 50s, and you're like, what are those two talking about?

How could they even possibly have to be?

What conversation could they have?

Right.

And so it's just sort of like Belichick was when I went like,

oh, yeah.

First of all, thanks for waiting till you weren't our coach anymore.

I do appreciate that.

But like, what?

How old is his girlfriend?

24.

They met on a plane, I believe.

And then that's quite a story.

23.

23.

23.

And him.

23.

23.

That's the name.

23 American years.

That's like regular

training.

Where it's actually, she's actually 40.

She's 23 and he is 72.

72.

72.

And that's also.

And so it's like, she, yes, it's legal.

Like, I always feel like people go, well, what do you want?

It's like, yes, no, it's legal.

It's a moral question.

It's legal.

But what are we, what are, what are we doing?

Why?

I need to see, and I don't know, maybe I'm asking too much, but it's like, I'd like to see you guys genuinely, let me what, sit in front of a camera for 20 minutes, let me watch.

Not in a sexual way.

Just like, let me watch you two exist together for 20 minutes.

We're going to throw our topic out.

The two of you have to have a conversation for 10 minutes.

I just want to watch.

And we'll all get to vote.

Then I'll feel better.

Yeah.

But then I always, what I always have to try to remind myself is like, what I look for in a partner is not necessarily what everyone is looking for.

You're You're looking for

a first runner-up for Miss Maine 2024, which is what Jordan Hudson is.

That's her name.

Is it Jordan?

How do you know it's pronounced Jordan?

What are you looking at that convinces you it's pronounced that way?

Uh how it's spelt.

Okay, go for it.

I want to G-I-O is the only acceptable beginning to what you're saying.

J.

No.

Uh-huh.

Yep.

O.

Uh-huh.

R.

Yep.

Predictable.

E, huh?

O-N.

The last letter is going to be N.

The one before that.

is in fact O.

It's probably just Jordan.

I think you're being, I think you're belaboring the point.

I think it might be Jordan, too.

I think it's Jordan.

I think it's Jordan.

I think it's Jordan who's never going to be able to pick out anything personalized at a Christmas tree shop.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

Parents coming home with a with a keychain that doesn't have her name on it.

Or that it says Jordan and they try to cross off the little top of the egg.

She's been there.

She might be 24 now.

Oh, so then let me.

Sorry, let me retract.

That's fine.

I guess what I'm what I'm thinking is it's possible that it's fine.

It is.

I guess I think that's how I doubt it.

I'm like, that is fine.

And that's why I'm like,

show me.

Cause I want to be like, no, that is fine.

You know what?

That's fine.

And I think she is an old soul.

This one time.

Not every time a three-year-old guy goes, she's an old soul.

But her, really, her favorite singer is Chubby Checkers.

And they should be together.

It's weird.

Look at her bedroom.

She's got posters hanging up of insert old guy here.

Yeah.

She wears pleated pants with suspenders, and this makes sense.

I do feel like, I like, and I feel like I like the idea.

idea of if there's a certain age gap and we'd have to come to it as a society of like whatever it is there should be an American idol

if X is greater than that number, you got to sit before a panel of people and have a conversation.

We should make sure we're on the up and up.

That's it.

It should be like the voice where our chairs are all backwards and we just listen.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

And then.

And if we think the conversation is suitable, we spin around.

That's right.

That's great.

Are you guys writing this down?

Yeah.

These are good.

These are ideas.

These are daytime.

Emmy award-winning

show person.

Don't cut this part.

Loop.

Is that something?

We're going to replay it.

Loop it.

That something?

Is that something he said it was?

Can you loop it?

Absolutely.

Like, play it over.

Loop it.

Play this part over the cut parts.

I was thinking.

Okay.

Now that's weird.

This is a little avant-garde, but I like it.

All right.

Thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome.

I feel like we landed in a place that did not cast total judgment,

remained open to the possibility that maybe this is true love.

Acknowledged the reality that this is a sort of story that does totally torpedo your NBA draft stock.

Yes.

And also provides some maybe

context for a Utah jazz season that should not be clouded by horrible Mormon grooming allegations.

Yeah, I think Servey came to a sensible conclusion, which is that these two people should sit before a tribunal of judges that includes the three of us.

And perform their relationship.

Yeah.

So I can get a lot of people.

We may decide whether or not they're allowed to keep kissing.

Yeah.

If you turn around, they're allowed to smooch.

That's, this is the smooch maybe okay

something to think about okay actually cut that

guys what did we learn today on pablo tour finds out the show about finding out things to learn I learned that thing I thought I knew about Iceland is true.

I don't know if we ever even finished talking about that, but it's good to know I'm allowed to continue to say to people there's like basically a document or an app you can check to make sure that the other Thor's Thor's daughter that you're interested in is not the daughter of your Thor.

Yeah, a different Thor.

We're tracking all the Thor's.

Yes.

There is at the very least a Reddit thread attesting to and that and so that maybe we oh yeah.

Sorry, you're right.

It was a Reddit.

No, no, no, hold on.

Uh, USA Today backing us up.

And that's real.

I've played their crossword, so I've been.

New app helps Icelanders avoid accidental incest.

Yeah, new app when?

Just so I can 2013.

Wow.

I've been having this knowledge.

I wonder if before the app, how much accidental incest was happening.

Enough to make an app.

I learned, can I skip to me?

I'm done with.

Wow.

Sure.

I learned that on ancestry.com, is that what it is?

That your race can change, which I did not, I did not know that before, that it can be like a week from now, that could be like, we thought you were, you know, Bolivian, but it turns out you're actually a Swede.

And that's fascinating to me.

What did you learn?

Did you say what you learned?

Yeah, I learned what die is.

Yeah.

These are all related to it.

This happens every time.

We pick something from the very first story, and nothing ever gets learned from that.

After the first five minutes, I'm completely tuned out to what either of you said.

I was asleep.

That's not totally true.

Okay.

You know, that's we leave that there, but

just leave that right there.

Roll credits.

This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.

And I'll talk to you next time.