Share & Catfish & Tell with Kevin Clark, Katie Nolan & Pablo

Speaker 1 Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

Speaker 2 Do these feel like relationships? These feel like people that are interacting, or is it just like, look at these boobies?

Speaker 1 Right after this ad.

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Speaker 1 Hello. Hey, pal.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. What's up? What do we got on there? How? What do we got on there? I don't know.
It's brown.

Speaker 1 What animal do you think did that? Oh, there's no way it's shit.

Speaker 2 On the front of my shirt.

Speaker 1 Oh, I had dirt. Oh, I thought it was.

Speaker 1 He started the audio already. What the f?

Speaker 1 You're not that late. You were late.
I was late.

Speaker 2 Kevin is early yeah well that's kevin what's kevin's kind of thing professionalism doorkeepiness

Speaker 1 it's one word for do you think this is early you're gonna want to not rub it into our rug if it is poop should we do a podcast i don't think i don't really feel like it today if i can be honest what were you doing that made you late i was talking to a class over zoom what where does it really matter it matters i talked to a harvard thing last week okay guys what the f they barely let let me talk at Hofstra, the Harvard of Long Island.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 It was at Harvard. It was at Harvard? Virtually.

Speaker 2 You talked to students at Harvard?

Speaker 1 I mean, I just want to know how Kevin was already,

Speaker 1 you know, ready to one-up me on this.

Speaker 2 Neither of you are smart enough for this.

Speaker 1 There's something called the

Speaker 1 sports analytics thing or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've spoken to them before.

Speaker 2 That's MIT. Aren't you guys talking about MIT?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I was surprised, too.

Speaker 2 Sloan.

Speaker 1 It's somehow less cool than the MIT one. And in that way, maybe more cool.

Speaker 2 Where do you currently stand on Daryl Maury?

Speaker 1 Refused to come on this show.

Speaker 2 He did?

Speaker 1 I asked him, and he passed.

Speaker 2 He doesn't pass on anything.

Speaker 1 Respect, do you say respectfully, I pass? Let me see. Let me quote Daryl's.
I think it was even worse than that. Oh, here.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go.
Okay. Daryl.

Speaker 1 This is in January, January 18th. Daryl, hope you're good, Amigo.
Oh, I hate that I did. No, no.

Speaker 1 I didn't mean to that out loud.

Speaker 1 This is way too behind

Speaker 1 on how I booked this.

Speaker 2 That's amigo.

Speaker 1 Do people deserve amigo less than Daryl?

Speaker 2 Daryl, you have to read all of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. Don't censor it.
Daryl, exclamation points. Yeah, great.
Hope you're good, comma, amigo, period. I hate myself.
I really hate that I just read that. Me too.

Speaker 1 Would love for you to come on my show. What would be the best dates for you? Oh, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 That's a gym sales tactic. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 2 You're backing him into a corner.

Speaker 1 So in the first text,

Speaker 1 that's a sales tactic. Send me dates.

Speaker 2 That's the sales tactic. You're supposed to go, is it better for you on a Monday or a Wednesday? You offer them something so they don't feel like the third option of no thanks is available to them.

Speaker 2 But Daryl Maury is well trained in the art of no thanks.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 wolf of Wall Street shit. You're selling penny stocks here.
But here's the thing. I followed up.
I followed up, beating my trust.

Speaker 2 He didn't respond.

Speaker 1 He didn't respond. No,

Speaker 1 after I said, what will be the best dates for you question mark? I said, happy to work around your schedule. Yeah, I bet.

Speaker 1 I've been here with the three days. Yeah, yeah.
Happy to work work around the schedule. I didn't really have.

Speaker 2 This is your king?

Speaker 1 I didn't really have a specific timeline. I just wanted to have him on the show to talk about it was mid-season, obviously.
Yeah, no, you were chill.

Speaker 2 You were super chilled.

Speaker 1 Seven hours later. Oh, seven hours later.
Seven hours later.

Speaker 1 Oh, cool. Oh, cool.
No. Oh, cool.

Speaker 1 Cool, cool, cool. Oh, cool.
Sick, sick. Thank you for thinking of me.
Oh, no. Wow.
Oh, Jesus. This is one unbroken sentence, no punctuation.
Oh, God damn it. Let me coordinate with R PR.

Speaker 2 So, first of all he's already sending you back to pr he basically said don't contact me contact my people exactly how dare you come straight to me oh cool i can't find the sixers thing

Speaker 1 that they deleted it but uh i think i furiously deleted it because they said something along the lines of um we're gonna pass on this one oh yeah the this one really this one i remember that when there's a when there's a uh condescending PR email, I just

Speaker 2 buy into a raid. This one is internal language, I think.

Speaker 2 I don't think this one was supposed to make it out of the house.

Speaker 1 It's an attempt to soften a blow, and in reality, it just sharpens. Yeah.
Sharpens the... I'm deeply unhappy with how things are going right now.

Speaker 2 I actually kind of don't want to do this podcast anymore. I have shit on my shoes.

Speaker 1 You do have shit on your shoes. I do.

Speaker 2 Dog, I just got these. It's crazy.
What? I splash in it?

Speaker 1 If we can just zoom in, I don't know if we can get

Speaker 1 exclusively.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I'd get him at the right angle.

Speaker 1 It's clearly shit, Katie.

Speaker 2 No, it isn't. It's splashed up.
It's not clearly.

Speaker 1 How is...

Speaker 2 It would smell. I have a really powerful nose.
It would smell.

Speaker 2 Kev, does that smell like anything?

Speaker 1 Can you smell that? Ah, Kevin's gonna do it!

Speaker 1 For the good of the s. It's not shit.
I can't believe it was digital.

Speaker 2 I can't believe you.

Speaker 2 I needed to find out if you had a job.

Speaker 1 You needed to find out if you had dog on your shirt.

Speaker 2 Are you getting up to smell?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's not shit.

Speaker 2 That might be shit. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 Kevin Clark is back on Share and Tell.

Speaker 1 Magisterial.

Speaker 1 The mustache that Kevin Clark brought to us. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I wanted to start, though, with a story actually related to what it's like when you show up in person looking a little different from how you expect it.

Speaker 1 There is this article in the New York Times that is titled, The TV Show That Predicted America's Lonely, Disorienting Digital Future. And it's about the MTV reality series Catfish.
Shout out.

Speaker 1 And I guess most of America actually encountered catfish as a term during, if you guys remember this, of course, the Mantaiteo scandal. Because

Speaker 1 if we remember this. If we remember this.
What?

Speaker 1 Jax Warbrook, the Athletic Record Notre Dame, had a press conference in which he talked about what happened to Mantaiteo and his, of course, fake girlfriend. And he said this.

Speaker 1 About catfish or catfishing.

Speaker 2 Yes. Associated things you'll find online and otherwise.
That's a sentence that means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 I think he's suggesting that we get catfished in order to. Right.

Speaker 2 He's like, maybe you should talk to a lady who's too hot to talk to you.

Speaker 1 So that was 2013. And Katie, I did not realize this.
Katie has, I think, watched more catfish than anybody else on the planet.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 If you are of this current like young generation, you probably know MTV as the channel that plays that Rob Deerdeck show. What's

Speaker 2 ridiculousness all day or catfish? all day.

Speaker 2 And so when there's no, when it's not baseball season and I'm sitting at home jobless, not jobless, but jobless, and I need something to watch on like the background of TV, I usually will just put on catfish because it's just one of those shows that has a formula and it hits all the beats of the formula.

Speaker 2 So, at any point, you can like

Speaker 2 pay attention for two minutes and be like, oh, that's where we're at in the story. And then you can get right back to what you're doing.
It does not distract you too much.

Speaker 2 It's very good background television.

Speaker 1 The basic premise of the term catfish is also kind of interesting insofar as the documentary, the way it got coined, is about some quote that someone said in the dock.

Speaker 1 It's a very like complicated and stupid metaphor, but basically, let me find it.

Speaker 1 It's about fish, right? So he tells a story about how

Speaker 1 he tells a story about how cod

Speaker 1 were shipped by boat in vats from Alaska to China, but the fish would arrive mushy and tasteless, right?

Speaker 1 And so... Eventually, these fish people added catfish to the vats alongside the cod cod because they would like nip at them and basically keep them stimulated.

Speaker 1 And so the quote in the doc is: there are these people who are catfish in life. They keep you guessing, they keep you thinking, they keep you fresh.

Speaker 1 So that's just the origin of a term that is now universally known as this thing. I'm sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 No, I thought they were going to say to put the cod inside the catfish.

Speaker 1 Or that they pretended that the catfish were the cod. Yeah.
None of that.

Speaker 2 No, so none of that. So does that.
Did you see that documentary? Yes.

Speaker 1 In theaters.

Speaker 2 I did too, because the marketing for it was really good. I remember it was like

Speaker 2 time collapses upon itself in my brain, but it wasn't that far after Blair Witch in the sense that it gave

Speaker 2 me. It was after, but it wasn't that far after.

Speaker 1 When did the doc come up? Blair Witch was in 99.

Speaker 2 99. Catfish.

Speaker 1 Was it 2005? 2010. Oh, sh ⁇ .

Speaker 2 So it was further. Okay, see, time collapse is on itself in my brain.
I said that.

Speaker 1 I will say the filmmakers of Blair Witch are from Orlando. It's possible I was an early adopter.

Speaker 2 God, I always forget that you're from there and then you immediately remind me.

Speaker 1 It marketed it. Yeah, we would never want to build an identity around a hometown.
It marketed itself. Yeah, you would never do that.

Speaker 2 I did it and I'm proud of it. Yours is nothing to be proud of.

Speaker 1 I'm extremely proud. Katie walked in here with a bag of Dunkin' Donuts.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 Anyway.

Speaker 1 So it might have ended there, if not for the entrepreneurialism, I suppose, of Niamh Shulman, who got this co-host. I guess it was Max at the time.
Yes, that guy Max. Yep.

Speaker 1 But it since had a rotating series of co-hosts.

Speaker 2 I think Max was like, this has run its course. And Eve was like, no, it has not.

Speaker 1 And Eve was like, this elevator is still unsafe.

Speaker 2 Someone needs to let the people know.

Speaker 1 But I suppose that the thing about this show is that it did sort of presage to the article's premise

Speaker 1 a lot about what it would be like to interact with people on the internet. Just like constantly being lied to and then discovering upon

Speaker 1 actually physically encountering them how they are not what they promised themselves to be. And there's a clip from Catfish.

Speaker 1 There are so many great episodes.

Speaker 2 So many.

Speaker 1 I think people get the gist of what happens in it. This is the clip that I think of.

Speaker 1 Come here. We're going to talk.

Speaker 2 You got Win, Willie, Win, got to win on T, baby.

Speaker 1 You kidding me? You can still be my chocolate kiss, too. You don't forget about that, baby.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 And so, do you know this kid?

Speaker 1 Do you know this kid? No, I don't know this.

Speaker 1 Are you Jess?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm Jess. You're Jess.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Man,

Speaker 1 what, man?

Speaker 1 Come on. The guy's got a family and he's talking to me.
He thinks he's talking to some bride. But he did think he was talking to a girl.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Right.
Avon crushed. So you're a good actress.

Speaker 1 Sure, I like that. Yeah, why not? Sure, I like that.

Speaker 1 Oh, how hard it is.

Speaker 1 What's your name, by the way? You skipped that. My name's Justin.

Speaker 1 I'm going to

Speaker 1 take a stab at this. Sure.
You're gay. Obviously, I'm not gay.
Well, not not so obvious. I mean obviously you are pretending to be a girl online and having a romantic relationship with a guy.

Speaker 1 So I give it to you. You got me there.
Right. Okay.
So

Speaker 1 maybe.

Speaker 1 Maybe. What it was to be gay.
You never thought of it that way.

Speaker 1 It was a joke, this fake profile, just playing around with people, whatnot.

Speaker 1 I didn't think anything too much of it until, you know, honestly, I started seeing guys like him who were already in a relationship.

Speaker 1 So I was like, you know what, I kind of have this power to use it for something, use it for good.

Speaker 1 What I had with him was a little bit personal. And obviously you guys got a taste of that.
What my message is to tell people, look, you can't just around on relationships that you're in.

Speaker 1 You felt like it was your job to sort of teach him a lesson. Is that my clear? I just want to make sure I understand.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You guys were having some sexual... Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I want to kiss a real man.

Speaker 1 Same girl. Christ.
Yeah. A couple things here.
Let's hear them.

Speaker 1 I've never seen this show.

Speaker 1 You've never?

Speaker 2 No. Not an episode.

Speaker 1 Not an episode. The only reason I know that guy is from the meme.

Speaker 1 Really? And I don't know if the crutches, that was like a temporary thing or was always on crutches.

Speaker 2 Temporary, but I mean, mentally, they're all the time.

Speaker 1 I do like the sort of like the detective work. I'm going to take a stab at this.
And then it's the most obvious shit you've ever heard in your entire life.

Speaker 1 I thought that was amazing. I'm going to, like you, become addicted to the show.

Speaker 2 That's good. They try to schedule a meetup between the two, and then the big reveals at the end when they are waiting, usually in a park.

Speaker 2 Sometimes they go to a person's house and they like confront them.

Speaker 2 And there's like the they go right to commercial as the door is about to open or as the car is pulling up and you're about to find out, is it really them?

Speaker 2 In all the episodes I've watched, I think it's been really them three times that I've seen. Most times you get somebody that is socially awkward,

Speaker 2 who

Speaker 2 has clearly either insecurity issues, like they are uncomfortable with the way that they look,

Speaker 2 or they're like weirdly like manipulative and antisocial in that way. Like I've seen girls.

Speaker 2 And there's a girl who gets confronted and she can't stop laughing. It's very uncomfortable for the viewer where she's like, I do it because it's fun.

Speaker 1 And you're like, oh, it's brutal to watch. So what does this article say that if it's US.
Yeah. So basically,

Speaker 1 presages.

Speaker 2 Sorry was the word you used, Harvard.

Speaker 1 I think presages really does tell the story here. But there was a study.

Speaker 2 I was texting you. What's so important?

Speaker 1 I was texting Cortez. I want photos for Instagram.
Great. Great.

Speaker 1 The study. Honesty is the best policy.
What are we going to do? Lie there and be like, I'm responding.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm being catfished as we're going to get my good side.

Speaker 2 She's a beautiful girl, won't you?

Speaker 1 What's the good side of this mustache? The study that they cited here speaks to the way that this is not just limited. God damn it, Cortez.
He's here.

Speaker 1 I didn't know he was going to quickly. Cortex is going to show showman.
We're trying to do that.

Speaker 1 God stands. He's standing here.

Speaker 1 I apologize on behalf of Cortez.

Speaker 1 Well, this unfortunately embodies the study that I was going to cite because the study is about how everybody has fallen victim to a scam like this, or at least to a degree that is stunning.

Speaker 1 So there's this one study, University of New Hampshire. 1,100 adults were surveyed.
About 70% described themselves as a victim of a catfishing scam. What? What? 70%.
70%.

Speaker 1 And so look, the degree to which one says, hey, I got catfished, I assume there are degrees of this, right?

Speaker 1 But clearly, this is a thing that people

Speaker 1 have encountered.

Speaker 1 So I think there's so you mentioned the degrees. There's so many.
We all get DMs now that are just like, hey, I got one yesterday that said, hi, are you a boxer?

Speaker 1 And I'm sorry, I don't, where is this going? Yeah. And so I think we all get, so that, I don't know.
What did you say? What did I say? I've been, that's where I was. Texting him.
Yeah. No, but like.

Speaker 2 That's why you needed the pictures.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think there is.

Speaker 1 But I think there is an element of like, if you get that, are you being catfished? You just don't respond and you move on with your life.

Speaker 1 But then there are people who have emotional, like, weeks long, or they get their money stolen. It's also just the forerunner of how we're all presenting ourselves online.

Speaker 1 But it doesn't sound like either of you guys have actually been victimized by catfish.

Speaker 1 No, I have friends in real life, so I don't need to do weird excursions. It's a very painful way of saying

Speaker 2 because I was going to say, I think that it comes down to like, I think we're very lonely right now. I think people are isolated more so than we think.
I think the pandemic made that worse.

Speaker 2 And so I think that people are very vulnerable to

Speaker 2 being preyed upon. their emotions and like being told that they're loved and wanted.

Speaker 2 They're so hungry for that that they look past what seems to us on the outside like very obvious indicators of a scam.

Speaker 2 They're like, no, no, no, but it's different for me, but it's not, but it's, I don't blame them for that, for falling for it.

Speaker 1 I think, and I've read a little bit about like people are okay being lied to in some situations.

Speaker 1 Like before the internet, there was a wave of guys who like pretended to be famous people and just were not.

Speaker 1 Like I remember in Orlando, famously, someone pretended to be former Orlando magic forward Jeff Turner for years and was just like, that's that's name. I think Rothesberger did that as well.

Speaker 1 I think Rothesberger had a had like a had like a guy who like in Ohio was like, I'm Ben Rothesberger, everybody, in like 2004.

Speaker 1 And people were like, oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 In the before. Remember fake Clay Thompson? Yeah, but that wasn't a scam.
That was just to get attention. I think some people are like,

Speaker 1 what were they scamming? No, they're like scamming women or like, hey, let me live with you. I think that was the real Ben Rothesper, honestly.

Speaker 1 But that's just my. I'm looking this up.

Speaker 1 Fake Ben Rothesburger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 A man claimed to be Ben Rothesberger and Brian St. Pierre.

Speaker 2 Do they look look alike?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Brian Jackson dated two women by pretending to be both of these folks, was charged with harassment for continuing to talk to both women.

Speaker 1 Jackson often talked of his teammates and offered to autograph footballs for neighborhood kids. So what I'm saying is, I mean, neighborhood kids are coming up to fake Brian St.

Speaker 1 Pierre or fake Ben Rothesberger and be like, here you go. Please autograph a ball.
Like, some people just like being lied to. What I will ask is that what is the difference between,

Speaker 1 there's some scamming involved here, but like I do believe at some point, if not already, people are like probably going to be into the idea of like dating AI.

Speaker 1 So let's, yeah, let's go to the present tense, which is I am constantly looking.

Speaker 1 Is it better to be scammed? Like

Speaker 1 you're talking to a real person or you're just doing the her thing and you're talking to a bot. If only what I've seen from AI generated,

Speaker 1 typically, I guess in my algorithm, women in my for you page.

Speaker 1 If only they were as complicated.

Speaker 1 I beg your pardon.

Speaker 1 Was that humble bragging again?

Speaker 2 I've got to get men in my for you page. I don't get anybody in my I get in my replies, I get a lot of bio.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 2 But I'm not getting a lot of like men made in a factory trying to seduce me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my for you page is people mad about Columbia University right now.

Speaker 1 All different.

Speaker 2 Mine is always like public fights that I don't want to watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I do get a lot of cafeteria fights.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I get a lot of like, check out this Karen. You're like, what?

Speaker 1 Should I? But wait, are you guys unfamiliar then with the whole notion that there are like wildly popular pages full of AI-generated women who are clearly AI? Oh my God.

Speaker 1 What are you clicking on, Pablo? Look, they are very, very popular pages. And it's unclear to me, to Kevin's point, whether people are all being fooled by this or whether they're just...
in

Speaker 1 care that and might even prefer it

Speaker 1 prefer the idea of being sold a fiction that is um i guess giving them what they want which is entirely um specific to

Speaker 1 a surface-level sort of relationship.

Speaker 2 Do these feel like relationships? These feel like people that are interacting, or is it just like, look at these boobies?

Speaker 1 All right, let me see. Because when it comes to look at these boobies,

Speaker 1 I don't think men

Speaker 1 for work.

Speaker 2 I don't think men feel like they need to know the woman's real in order to have the boobies make them feel a certain type of way.

Speaker 1 Okay, so here's one.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 meet Aitana. Oh, Aitana.
Same first AI model. I mean, she's beautiful.
She's earning 10,000 euros a month.

Speaker 2 She never has to shave her armpits. They just come like that.

Speaker 1 Look at those boobies. She's 25.
Yep. I'm glad they specified that.
I mean, Aitana, 25, a pink-haired woman from Barcelona, receives weekly private messages from celebrities asking her out.

Speaker 2 Sorry, celebrity. Name and shame.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Aitana. What do you mean, Aitana?

Speaker 2 I would be afraid to DM an AI bot just because I'd be afraid it was like a

Speaker 2 some sort of like a government thing to then they could like expose that we're gonna publish itana's DMs and you're like no no no no no no who's trusting a robot to keep their weird kinky secrets the creator says this quote one day a well-known Latin American actor texted to ask her out this actor about five million followers and some of our team watched his TV series when they were kids

Speaker 1 he had no idea itana didn't exist wow

Speaker 2 What does itana's bio say? I am not real.

Speaker 1 I'm not real.

Speaker 2 And the men just don't check because they see those

Speaker 2 they see those tater tots

Speaker 1 he's on it this is how he ends up with the for you page he's on itana's Instagram right now send her a DM itana lopez 310,000 followers virtual soul virtual

Speaker 1 virtual soul digital creator is her occupation uh barcelona's digital muse yeah what does that mean powered by ai powered by a i gamer it says she's a gamer at heart at heart and fitness lover and a fitness lover and there are some boobies, just to be very, are they naked boobies, Pablo?

Speaker 2 No, they're clothed. But they go out past her friends.

Speaker 1 Like that, so why so why the guys are sending DMs?

Speaker 2 Right, because they want to see the do you think she does it? Do you think she gets down in the DMs? Do you think she sends me a child?

Speaker 1 We have to ask the

Speaker 2 you should chat with her and say, How about those playoffs, huh?

Speaker 1 Yeah, 50% discount if I put in this promo code.

Speaker 2 Oh, it costs money.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 To send her a message on Telegram.

Speaker 1 This is a scam.

Speaker 2 Why do so many people do it?

Speaker 1 You should stop seeing this one. Should I click on the link that says sensitive content? No.
Continue. I wouldn't.
You're on Metalark Wi-Fi.

Speaker 2 Are you in a

Speaker 1 private browser? Oh, this is like a... This is like a Patreon.
This is like an OnlyFans. Yeah.
Or what I'm told is an OnlyFans.

Speaker 2 Yeah, good, Pablo. Good save.

Speaker 1 As the behavior of an OnlyFans. Sure.
It's all blurred out. Oh, well.
So.

Speaker 2 Pay the $9.99.

Speaker 1 I'm going to follow for free. I'm going to stop signing up for this.
Free?

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm going to take this personal.

Speaker 2 I'm going to make this research.

Speaker 1 I'm going to finish the research out my head. Let's go on incognito mode real quick.

Speaker 1 I'm going to read the headline and then I'm going to go into the story. So here's the headline.
And I don't, I would love for it all to be a slow reveal, but the headline is just so good.

Speaker 1 I sent it to Pablo on Friday or Saturday night at like 9 a.m. I saw it and I said, said, this is what I want to talk about.
This is what I want to do with my life.

Speaker 1 The headline is, and it's from fightful.com.

Speaker 1 The Undertaker, colon, a seven-year-old named Bjorn threatened to shoot me in the face and called me a Democrat. Now, there's a couple things here.

Speaker 1 Number one is that I feel like, and maybe, maybe this is just me not seeing it. I feel like there's a lack of just total shithead kids anymore.

Speaker 1 Because when I, like, you'd always see like seven-year-olds, you know, in like 1999, and they were just absolute terror.

Speaker 2 Do you play video games online?

Speaker 1 I don't. What's going on there?

Speaker 1 A lot. Oh, they're indoors now.
That's the thing. Yeah, the kids are inside.
They used to be at parks. Yeah, like Dennis the Menace stuff.
Yeah, yeah. There's no more.

Speaker 1 Dennis the Menace now is in a house saying racist stuff on chess. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 No, well, if Katie speaks, they go, oh, it's a girl.

Speaker 1 Oh, she'll be your booby.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, they don't say boobies, but I do a lot in this podcast.

Speaker 1 Let's get into the story here. It's a five-minute story.
Cortez was upset that it's so long and we can't just play the entire video. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is tempting, though. It is an unbelievable story.
So one of someone on the WWE security team tells, is it WrestleMania a couple weeks ago?

Speaker 1 Tells Undertaker, who, who, and more power to him, refers to himself as The Undertaker many times in this story. His name is Mark, I believe it's Mark Calloway.
I believe it's Mark.

Speaker 1 Mark William Calloway, age 59. 59-year-old.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 one of the security detail guys

Speaker 1 is a former Navy SEAL. His son is a huge fan.
Now, his son

Speaker 1 is named Bjorn, as we discussed. And

Speaker 1 the former Navy SEAL does not want the Undertaker to call him because he just wants to be professional about it. You know, I told the guy, I said, hey, I said,

Speaker 1 I hear your son's

Speaker 1 a fan. I said, would you like me to call him? And he was like, oh, no, no, don't worry.
You know, he was just totally professional.

Speaker 1 And I was like, no, it's okay. I said, you know, i know you know i know larry larry sent me a text and he was like man he goes no it's it's you know he's still trying to get out i said just

Speaker 1 let me face time him real quick and you know and he goes well

Speaker 1 you can't face time him and i'm like okay

Speaker 1 and he says but if you if you would call him that would be awesome and uh i was like yeah The dad says, you can't FaceTime him. Okay.
Red flag.

Speaker 1 So he gets on the phone and says, Bjorn, this is the Undertaker. And he says, hey, Undertaker, how are you?

Speaker 1 Undertaker starts to mess with him and says, it sounds like you're getting in trouble at home. So I start messing with him like I do everybody, right?

Speaker 1 I said, Bjorn, it sounds like to me

Speaker 1 you're getting in some kind of trouble at home, aren't you? He goes, no, I'm not getting in any trouble. I said, no, I'm pretty sure.
It sounds like you're up to something.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but. I can tell you're doing something you shouldn't be doing.
He goes,

Speaker 1 I'm not doing anything I'm not supposed to be doing. You're doing something you're not supposed to be doing.
I was like, no.

Speaker 1 And then this kid, the seven-year-old kids goes, hey,

Speaker 1 I'll shoot you right in the face.

Speaker 1 I found,

Speaker 1 I about lost it, right? I said, what?

Speaker 1 You're going to shoot me. And now his dad is like, is mortified, right? He is just like, oh my gosh.
I've put him on the phone. Now he's threatening the undertaker.
So anyway,

Speaker 1 so I thought, you're not going to shoot me in the face. I'm going to shoot you in the face, right?

Speaker 1 So now I'm having an argument with the seven-year-old about shooting him in the face, which I probably shouldn't be talking about this.

Speaker 1 It was all in good fun.

Speaker 1 You had to be there, be there for them all. So anyway, so we're going back and forth right now.
And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, he goes,

Speaker 1 well, you're a Democrat.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I'm a Democrat.

Speaker 1 Where did that come from? What does that mean to you? There's a couple things here. I wouldn't, there's, there's bricking the conversation,

Speaker 1 which you would do like,

Speaker 1 like, he got so excited that he misread this. Bjorn, got so excited, he misread the situation and ended up threatening to shoot the other guy.
Named after a Viking, by the way. In the face.

Speaker 1 I feel like Bjorn was like,

Speaker 1 this guy comes back from the dead, so let's see what's up.

Speaker 2 I feel like Bjorn was being accused of some wrongdoing. Bjorn, being seven, definitely has done something wrong within the past week.
This dude is with his dad. And so he's like,

Speaker 2 I have to back this guy down or he's going to tell my dad about the bad stuff I did.

Speaker 2 Because when you tell a seven-year-old you know what they've been up to, the first thing they think is like, shit, I have been up to some stuff.

Speaker 1 It's like the, who was the comedian that had, just as an experiment, had everybody send their significant other a text that just said, I haven't been completely honest with you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then just saw what the person would respond, what their significant other would respond with. That's basically what Taker did to Bjorn.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I was afraid when I was first watching the video that the little kid was going to be like, yeah, I took some money from my mom. Like he was going to admit the thing he did.

Speaker 1 He did something far worse. A guilty conscience is what you detect.

Speaker 1 He's a violent seven-year-old.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't know he was going to shoot

Speaker 1 him. Politically violent.

Speaker 2 And also, you know, if you shoot The Undertaker in the face, he's just going to come back.

Speaker 1 It's not going to do that. Maybe that's the problem is he didn't

Speaker 2 stand. He's a big fan of The Undertaker and not know that shooting him in the face isn't going to get you anywhere.

Speaker 1 The Undertaker in 2020 donated $7,000 to Donald Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 I mean, $7,000?

Speaker 1 What's the point?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that's the federal maximum for a

Speaker 1 in-character wrestler. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Taker. Taker LLC.
But the question, the beyond the specifics of The Undertaker arguing with a seven-year-old about who should be shot in the face or not, it does raise the question of like,

Speaker 1 When you were kids, were there people that you were so excited to meet

Speaker 1 that you had,

Speaker 1 you know, this memory that, yeah, continues to persist? I was an altar server. The priest,

Speaker 1 this is not where this is going. Okay.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert.

Speaker 1 This ends

Speaker 1 without indicting the Catholic Church. Sure.

Speaker 1 Sure. The priest was the team chaplain of the New York Yankees.
Huh. And so what a thrill for me, native New Yorker, giant Yankee fan, to be an altar server.

Speaker 1 And our parish priest is the team chaplain of the New York Yankees.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 And I say, Father McMahon,

Speaker 1 I would love an autograph from my favorite New York Yankee, Derek Jeter.

Speaker 2 Unique, interesting pick.

Speaker 1 Good one.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 weeks later, I get a signed,

Speaker 1 like, I think it was like,

Speaker 1 what was it? It was, oh, it was a team program. And it says on the program, I still have this.

Speaker 1 It says, whatever best wishes

Speaker 1 to Pablo Torre

Speaker 1 from Derek Cheter. And the disappointment is that he misspelled my last name.

Speaker 1 He spelled it T-O-R-E.

Speaker 1 Excuse me. T-O-R-E.
Pablo Torre. Yeah.
Which was disappointing to me because his f ⁇ ing manager

Speaker 2 was his last name. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Me, Joe Torre.

Speaker 1 And he f ⁇ ing f ⁇ ing, he bricked the interaction. Yeah.
Derek Jeter bricked the autograph. All right, so so I have.
I resent him. Okay.
Why was he putting last names on? I don't know.

Speaker 2 And also best wishes to a child is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Best wishes to Pablo. Yeah.
Hey, Pablo. Hey, Pablo.
Thanks for watching, buddy. Thanks for watching.
Go Yanks.

Speaker 2 Hey, Amigo.

Speaker 1 Go Yanks, pal. Did he brick the interaction more or less than you with Darrell Maury? Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 Neither of us emerged looking great.

Speaker 2 I don't remember how old I was. I did meet Nadia Komenich, who was the first gymnast to get a perfect 10.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I just remembered telling her I liked her and she put her arm around me. And she, look, as a little kid,

Speaker 2 I had a tragic haircut. I had a little boy haircut.

Speaker 1 And so we get a photo of this.

Speaker 2 No. And so I feel like at any point in any interaction with any adult, I got immediate sympathy because I think they knew that like, what, this poor kid doesn't want this haircut.

Speaker 2 Their mom is making them do this. There's no way they're the most popular kid among their friends.

Speaker 2 So they always gave me the like, oh, like they, I always got that energy as a child child because I think they were like, what a precocious young lady who looks like a news anchor. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so that's basically the energy.

Speaker 1 I had that being a fat kid. Yeah.
Like I was always. We can photo that.
Yeah, we can with Stephanie McMahon. We can do a Stephanie McMahon photo, which will tie into the era of WWE I watched.

Speaker 1 Also a photo of Vince McMahon cannot put that photo up anymore. No.

Speaker 1 But I'm alarmingly fat in both photos. But I was always the kid who like, I'd get like, you know, as a big hockey fan, I'm the one when they flipped the puck too because I looked so fat and childish.

Speaker 1 I'm currently a fan of the New York Rangers. I was a fan of the Orlando Solar Bears when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 Solar Bears?

Speaker 2 That's a real real team. Like polar bears?

Speaker 1 No, I just said solar bears. But for the sun.

Speaker 1 I'm not drawn to connection. Yeah.
All right. And so I was a big fan of the solar bears growing up.
I love that.

Speaker 2 But you were saying, as a hockey fan?

Speaker 1 Oh, and so I'd always be the guy where they were like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 we're going to give the puck or the stick to this kid because he's fat and he's not having a good go of it, you can tell. And so I'd always clean up that one.
Yes.

Speaker 2 You're so cute. Wait, wait, wait.
Let me see it again.

Speaker 1 He's not flipping a puck to that kid. The fact that you're also wearing like a big polo shirt.
Yeah. It's like, this little gentleman's working.
He's working out an off-bass.

Speaker 1 The big polo is back.

Speaker 2 The polo bears.

Speaker 1 The solar bears.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the big polo bears.

Speaker 1 All right, Katie. All right.
What'd you got?

Speaker 2 Mine's depressing because it's kind of about our lives. Oh, no.
It's an article in the New York Times. Ever heard of it? By John Coblin.
Rhymes with Goblin. I'm assuming, I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 It's Koblin.

Speaker 2 Damn it. I really wanted it to rhyme with Goblin.

Speaker 1 Goblin. Why?

Speaker 2 Goblin? Well, because what's a Goblin? Goblin's.

Speaker 1 What's a ghoul to a Goblin? That's right.

Speaker 2 Americans New TV habits: subscribe, watch, cancel, repeat.

Speaker 2 So basically, they're talking about how something like 40% of the streaming services user base is now subscribing when there's a show they want to watch and then canceling when there isn't something that they want to watch at that.

Speaker 2 So they'll be like, we want to watch one of the examples they use is a guy who, him and his wife want to watch Poker Face on Peacock.

Speaker 2 So they subscribe and they tell each other like, look, if we're not watching this after a couple of weeks, we're going to cancel Peacock.

Speaker 2 We do not need to, we have every streaming service known to man.

Speaker 2 It's silly to have another one.

Speaker 2 So that's apparently the younger generations, that's like the default almost for their behavior with these apps because a lot of those generations, as we know and we've been told, they're not buying cable.

Speaker 2 They're signing up for all these different streaming services. And because it's so easy to cancel these streaming services,

Speaker 2 people will just cancel them when they don't need them and then resubscribe when there's a show that they want to watch.

Speaker 1 Cancel culture.

Speaker 1 This is a story about cancel culture. Exactly what cancel culture is.

Speaker 2 So these streaming services are now having to try to, they can't ignore this anymore because it's not just like a niche thing happening.

Speaker 2 It's like a huge section of their user base so they're trying to find ways to combat this and one of the ways oh now

Speaker 2 as we all saw coming is that they're like reinventing the idea of cable so they want to package with other streaming companies so that if you you're less likely to do this if when you sign up for let's say hulu you're also getting espn plus and whatever the disney plus

Speaker 2 there those people are less likely to cancel because they're getting access to more things.

Speaker 2 A lot of companies are thinking about doing that and also offering channels where you can just go and at any time, it's like, I know Peacock does this.

Speaker 1 Amazon does it with MGM. There's like pre-programmed.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing that I've always said, because I still have my cape, my cord. I did not cut it.
Yeah. Same.

Speaker 2 Because for me, it was just like, well, sports will always be on the TV. I'll never have to be like, where do I find this? It's got to be on TV.
I know that probably won't be the case soonish.

Speaker 2 And sometimes, especially during the pandemic, I reached a point where I was like, I don't want to have to pick every time I sit down what I'm going to watch.

Speaker 2 I want to be able to just go catfish, go to some channel that has already been chosen.

Speaker 2 Catfish is probably a bad example because whoever's programming MTV is really just picking those one of those two shows.

Speaker 1 Easy job. Easy job.

Speaker 2 I want somebody to pick. what I'm going to watch and then I have to choose from my options instead of being like, you can watch everything available to you.
What would you like to watch?

Speaker 1 Well, there's also the reason channels are valuable is because watching 20 minutes of something and then that's it. You're just like, oh, I'm just going to watch 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 All right, it's commercial. I'm out.
Like, that's a hugely valuable experience that we've lost.

Speaker 1 Zoomers will never understand watching 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan in the middle, kind of forgetting what goes before and after it, and then moving on. Yes.

Speaker 1 Look, something that comes up every time I begin to complain or get asked about questions or complaint or get asked about like, why is the industry going this way?

Speaker 1 It's like, well, because they killed cable television. Yeah.
Or because they almost killed cable television to the point where some of us still have it, but the rest of us are left trying to copy.

Speaker 1 You are both on your phones right now.

Speaker 2 I'm doing it because this is my article and I need to make sure I don't miss any of the important points in it. I don't know why Kevin's been doing it the entire episode.

Speaker 1 I'm doing it because A, I'm working today. B,

Speaker 1 I have a short attention span.

Speaker 1 The short attention span, though, is entirely why it feels like people are presuming cable needs to go away.

Speaker 1 And then everyone's realizing because the business that replaced cable is not nearly as good as cable, oh shit, we got to bring cable back.

Speaker 1 And it's, I mean, I don't know if people outside of sports media specifically acutely understand this in the way that I think is very obvious, people who do work inside of it.

Speaker 1 But like ESPN, as John Skipper likes to say on the sporting class, the show I do with them here at Metal Arc Media, ESPN was the greatest business model in the history of media.

Speaker 1 Even though ESPN, you're talking about it, and you are correct on that, I still don't think they're the biggest beneficiaries. The biggest beneficiaries are like the weird baseball, like $9 a month

Speaker 1 team-owned channels, like the Yes Network, like whatever. There's like 25 of them now.
And basically, baseball is completely propped up by cable television, by these local things.

Speaker 1 That's why like the collapse of Bally over like last year was such a big deal. And why I'm actually pretty nervous about baseball's future is it literally the intent.

Speaker 1 So much of it relies on the ability to bilk San Diegans out of $7 a month. And so like ESPN, I think, will survive much better than those channels.

Speaker 1 But it's still the same thing, which is non-sports fans paying for the enjoyment of sports fans.

Speaker 1 And what people are realizing to the point of the story is that it's now so expensive that they are cycling through subscriptions like they're flipping through channels.

Speaker 1 And the promise of, of course, streaming was that when you're in an a la carte system in which you choose to pay for what you want to eat as opposed to paying for a bunch of stuff that you never watch, you're going to pay less.

Speaker 1 And it's going to be easier. And none of those things have really come true.

Speaker 1 It's the way that technology is constantly disrupting things only to then sell you a worse version of the thing they disrupted. Yeah.
It's like, oh, we're back to cable television. Cool.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, I'm not, I bought my first DVD in 20 years today.

Speaker 2 I didn't know they were still doing those.

Speaker 1 It's a Blu-ray. That's sick.
Well, it's the assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, an amazing movie that I just wanted to watch very badly last night.

Speaker 1 And I've had this urge many times, and it was like 12 bucks to buy on Amazon.

Speaker 1 No place was having a stream, but it streams all the time, but it's one of those that comes off and then comes back on and comes off and comes back on. And so,

Speaker 1 how did you play this? How do you plan on playing this, Deborah?

Speaker 1 I have an Xbox. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what those are.
I don't get on the chats to find out about the racist seven-year-olds. Yeah.
But I do. I do.
Sometimes they do.

Speaker 1 You're using an Xbox in the oldest possible way. Well, I also like play FIFA.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so I literally, it's the same thing where I was just like, I'm tired of every six months being like, where is the streaming? And if not, paying $2

Speaker 1 to buy it, I'm just going to buy a $12 DVD.

Speaker 1 I am doing exactly what this is, where it's physical media, cable, bring back 2001.

Speaker 1 Well, it's kind of like a parallel to how vinyl also has made a comeback in recent decades relative to the arc of it.

Speaker 1 It's because people have been so frustrated by Napster and the domino effects of streaming music that they're like, we people have become and i think understandably um

Speaker 1 like apocalypse preppers where it's like i don't trust this to exist and survive and so i need my own collection of physical things to put into my my pyramid to be buried with so i have access to it for as long as i like well it's also sorry you got i was gonna say it's also true of digital media and writing where a lot of people save everything they've ever written because they have no faith that a private equity company

Speaker 1 is just gone truly is like is is unreadable unreadable well Well, it's also. There's some articles by Pablo Torre that have never been readable, but now literally, physically.

Speaker 1 Now they're actually undermining it.

Speaker 2 It's also that

Speaker 2 if you take out the capitalism of it all and you were just to look at the like, okay, back then we used to have to watch things when they were on TV.

Speaker 2 We had no way of recording it or controlling when we could watch what we wanted to watch.

Speaker 2 And then we've evolved to a place where you can watch anything you want at any time, taking the money out of it. That sounds like progress.

Speaker 2 But then you remember that the people who were making money off the old model want to make even more money off the new model. And they make it to a point where now I can't, we don't own anything.

Speaker 2 You have to pay for the ability to access any of the things you want to watch. You can never just like go watch them.
And they've gotten to the point where they're getting rid of somebody.

Speaker 2 Best Buy just recently was like, we're done with physical media. We're not selling it anymore.

Speaker 2 And I would bet if this keeps going, we would get our next generation of like PlayStations or Xboxes won't even have that slot in them the way that laptops no longer have, unless you specifically ask for it, a CD drive like they're they're phasing out physical media and causing you to have to pay david zaslov that's how you got to say that's idiot courtside at madnessquare garden he just he got a raise he got a raise he got a raise and he canceled shows that were made or movies that were made and did not run them because it helped it was more beneficial for them on the tax side and he got a raise he made uh 49.7 million compared with 39.3 million the year before like media is going like less have has been made And that guy's making more than he made the year before.

Speaker 2 And that should not be the way that it works.

Speaker 2 The people that are in charge of giving us the content don't touch the content, have nothing to do with the making of it, and are not in any way incentivized to make good content.

Speaker 1 And that scares the shit out of me.

Speaker 2 That scares the shit out of me.

Speaker 1 The cancellation part of this is also interesting to me because cancellation, look.

Speaker 1 So Kevin's wife works for the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 1 I subscribe to the Wall Street Street Journal. Part of the reason I subscribe is because I once tried to cancel the Wall Street Journal and it was too difficult.

Speaker 1 It's like a gym. We send some goons to your house.
Well, what they make you do, and I think this is a smart thing, truly, and it's worth paying for in all honesty, of course.

Speaker 1 It's that defending Rupert Murdoch and Lall Street Journal. They're a good product.
He needs the money.

Speaker 1 I need the money.

Speaker 1 Teddy needs the money. Teddy needs the money.
But the reality is what they make you do is jump through hoops. You have to call a number.

Speaker 1 You can't just click on a link. You have to

Speaker 1 call a yes.

Speaker 1 So it's like canceling cable. And none of that should be a coincidence, given the conversation we just had.
The point is make it difficult for you to get rid of something because

Speaker 1 they're so desperate.

Speaker 2 That's this article made me go like, ah, they're going to, they're going to now go, well, if you, same way Netflix was like, oh, you can only use this in one household and you have to name your, now they're going to be like, canceling is actually really difficult.

Speaker 1 I need to look this up. There's a huge,

Speaker 1 there's a huge percentage of AOL's revenue that comes from people just never canceling. Yeah, that's like gyms.
Like not canceling in 2004 and being like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
1.5 million people still paying a monthly subscription to AOL.

Speaker 1 I should point out 1.5 million people as of 2021.

Speaker 1 And what they get in exchange for their subscription service fee is

Speaker 1 technical support and identity theft software.

Speaker 2 Oh, God, they love to sell old people on identity theft software. They're like, listen, people out here want to be you.

Speaker 1 A message.

Speaker 2 Don't let them be. They say dark web and identity theft.
I don't want to be. Old people are like, take my money.

Speaker 1 Brian St. Pierre needs some of that.
But the

Speaker 1 artists. The one thing.
Artists need some of that. The one thing is that if you are buying identity software, identity theft software from AOL, it is likely too late.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is likely that you've been stolen many times. Yep.
Yeah. I want to reserve like the domain name of like

Speaker 1 Anerica online, like one letter off and just sell people fake identity theft software. That sounds illegal

Speaker 1 all right what did we find out today guys oh god so much um we learned we learned what here today we learned i i i'm surprised i didn't anticipate that the had seven-year-olds were all indoors playing video call playing warzone yeah yeah yeah that's why you get to keep your kid off that for a while i want my kid to be a huge baseball fan because when i was watching a lot of baseball i was pretty big dork because you can't if you're watching baseball it's like 162

Speaker 1 and it is a lot and you're like reading you know you're reading bill james and stuff you know yeah and then you just never really get

Speaker 2 the baseball little kids are all right did you see that clip the other day of a kid

Speaker 2 you don't have it of the kid trying to get to his seat and the lady's got her legs up and she he like asks her to move and she won't move her feet

Speaker 2 He like yells at her in a really he like owns her in a kind of respectful way. Was it Bjorn?

Speaker 2 It was Bjorn. And he said, I'm going to shoot you in the face.
And she said, I'm a Republican. And then they hugged.
It's weird.

Speaker 2 Baseball kids are all right. Baseball's good for kids.

Speaker 1 How about gamer kids? Not as good.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, they can be if their parents would just like, I don't know, be in the same room as them when they game and go, hey, maybe we don't say that word. What did I learn today? I learned

Speaker 2 that there are people who've never seen the show Catfish.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that you guys still existed.

Speaker 1 I was watching baseball. Yeah.
I told you. That's fair.
That is fair. I was watching 2000.

Speaker 2 Did you see the report the other day?

Speaker 2 Did you see the report the other day that a lot of streaming services are trying to come up with second screen content, which used to mean stuff that was happening on your phone while you were watching TV?

Speaker 2 Now it means stuff that happens on TV while you're on your phone. So they found that people

Speaker 2 were like too, they didn't want things that had too deep of a plot or that needed too much of your attention because they were mostly scrolling their phone, but they did want something to play in the background, which is what I explained.

Speaker 2 Catfish was for me. But these places are now trying to program that.

Speaker 1 The reason I watch a lot of history channel documentaries is that I am just not paying attention at all, kind of like me on this show today, where I'm just on the phone. And

Speaker 1 that was a joke. I am paying attention to this show.
I know you think I'm on my phone the whole time, but I'm debating.

Speaker 2 You literally have been on your phone this entire show.

Speaker 1 That's not true. People can watch this.
Tally up how many times, how often I was on my phone. Please tell me

Speaker 2 at the bottom of the screen every time.

Speaker 1 I was scrolling.

Speaker 1 I was buying DVDs.

Speaker 1 What I found out today is that Kevin Clark, despite being on his phone this entire episode,

Speaker 1 has the oldest possible interests. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Truly. I think we knew that.
You just did.

Speaker 1 He was about to lie. I cut him off.

Speaker 1 accidentally now

Speaker 1 before he could explain why he's into the history channel. With the docs.
because the history channel, like the actual channel on cable.

Speaker 2 You're a pre-Republican, you're like you're in the early stages.

Speaker 1 You gotta subscribe to the history vault on Amazon Prime. That's where you get the good stuff, that's where you get the goods, that's where you learn about wars, yep, wars and presidents.

Speaker 1 They keep the best wars behind them, they pay while the best wars, they really do. Yeah, only fans, but for tanks,

Speaker 2 only panzer, blurred out, only pans.

Speaker 1 Now, now we're only pans. Only pans? Only pans.
There it is. Wow.
We got there. Check your phone.

Speaker 1 But that's for all the people who helped make this show what it is: a paywall-worthy product that we give you for free.

Speaker 1 Pablo Dori Fides Out is produced by Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Dawig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Loman, Rachel Miller-Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tumanello, and Juliet Warren.

Speaker 1 Our studio engineering by RG Systems, our post-production by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, by John Bravo.

Speaker 1 We will talk to you on Tuesday.