The Doctor Is In: Katie Nolan and Dan Soder’s Final “Jeopardy!” Share & Tell

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Dude, this is so fing cool, and I'm so proud of her.

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I don't know if it'll translate on audio.

What's happening?

There's a laser sound that is so convincing.

Can you just leave me?

I'm going to close my eyes.

Ready?

Yeah.

Okay.

It's the

reverb.

It's the reverb.

It's the reverb.

Get a little closer and do it one more time.

How do you know?

Who is that?

I don't want to know.

I told him him not to show the magic it's like throat singing laser all day

and then you want to back up a little and do your machine gun

jesus let me go dude that white whackle ones love come get some

come get some the voice the voice from mentalists never left me you've never done sam sam elliott yeah oh god that's well there's a time and there's a place

Sometimes there's a time and a place.

If you're ever up in the hills of Colorado and your dad has left, well, there's time, time to learn voices.

Rodney Dangerfield,

Rodney's my favorite.

Yeah, gotta find more stuff to do as woke Rodney.

Wait, what is what is woke Rodney?

Like, I'm telling you, you don't have to get any respect, women of color.

It's far too long, they haven't been getting women of color.

I'm telling you, if gender's fluid, then I'm in love with a puddle.

Of course, Black Lives Matter.

I'll tell you what doesn't matter.

All lives.

I got an ex-wife.

I got a doctor.

Dr.

Vinny Bumbas.

Yeah.

Where's the other one that we

like?

We would do right-wing Bruce Springsteen.

Oh, my God.

He's like, you know, there's a lot of immigrants taking jobs out here.

You're like, no, Bruce.

Whoa, Bruce.

Brucey Bruce.

Hey, my daddy used to work at the factory, and then a Guatemalan man took that away from me.

Like, whoa,

time out.

Time out, Bruce.

Hey, I'm telling you.

Citizens United.

It ruined democracy.

All right.

There's all the voices.

Thanks for letting me get my voices out.

You got to de-vetom me like a snake.

There were other topics that I want to talk to you guys about today.

Topics that would have just set up Dan Soder to do various wrestling voices.

That's my whole life, baby.

I was hoping.

Unfortunately, I'm going to ruin it and and just talk about my thing.

Sorry, honey.

I love it.

Sorry, honey.

I'm your Miss Elizabeth today.

Oh.

Wow.

That hits different.

Doesn't it?

Pick me up on your shoulder.

No kitty has to do her macho, man.

Yeah.

All right.

All right.

That's like if he is hoarse.

Every impression I do is an impression of Dan's impression.

I love it.

Yeah.

That's great.

Yeah.

There there it is.

There it is.

Yeah, it's pretty good.

It's a limited fake.

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Oh.

I know.

Yeah.

Do we have to?

I thought these were only if I won.

I admire that you showed up.

I didn't know I had to do this if I lost.

In some ways, this is the episode I'm looking forward to the most.

Good.

Because I want to know.

I can now know everything yeah

um

how did you guys watch this oh we just watched it at home yeah just had dinner we just had dinner and watched it you know the lovely meal we had both seen it before we were both there so um katie had a good point while watching it last night she goes um athletes Don't have to watch the game replayed back to them without some guys do for the first time.

No, I'm just saying, like, like

sports are live for a reason.

This is what I was tickled by while also being very bummed.

Spoiler really.

You don't have to pretend.

The closest I've ever came to being a boxer's wife the next day, I think I've made that analogy with this before, but it truly felt like I was in a gown and I had a diamond necklace on and the love of my life was bleeding out of every horse.

It just felt like I was just sitting there with like velvet gloves on being like, Are you okay, BB?

But it was fun watching it.

I was in the audience for it and I didn't remember a lot of it i think i was so lost i remembered the least about so we we should as we always do recap for people who missed okay

i didn't win i lost the whole i came in third i full lost the final but this isn't something she's gonna say because this isn't something that katie does what katie was very sick

very sick when she recorded that

and that's not an excuse I'm just letting you know but it's like when a hockey player reveals I've had a broken rib the whole time.

I had a punctured lung.

She,

I got her sick.

I was very sick.

I had a really bad head cold.

And then I went back on the road.

And

Katie was like, I think the day I went to Phoenix, you were like, I'm starting to feel like shit.

And I was like, we knew.

We knew the finals were Sunday.

And the first taping day of Jeopardy, so the quarterfinals and the semifinals, I had COVID that I got rid of just in time to fly.

I was afraid that COVID was going to keep me from doing Jeopardy.

And I used that Paxlovid and got rid of it in like four days and then had an extra day to get healthy and then flew.

So this time I was sick again.

And I was like, no.

And it did not clear up quick.

It was not COVID.

There was a nasty cold going around.

When was this?

November.

After Spider-Man came, right after Spider-Man.

You guys have been sitting on this for that long?

Yeah.

Yeah.

She, and by the way, they did cut the Spider-Man thing, which made me mad.

Yeah.

Because it was great.

And it was just, they make you, you do a lot of the interview stuff in between, you know, the like, Katie, you're playing for this charity.

But you legitimately had to think because not only was she sick, but her thumb was hurt.

She had hurt her.

So I, so Spider-Man, this is kind of out of order, but Spider-Man, ow, Spider-Man 2 had come out.

Katie, battling technology will be a theme of today's episode.

Spider-Man 2 had come out on PlayStation and I played it too.

So they had asked me about how I prepped.

And I was like, look, I've been spending my weekends prepping, like learn memorizing the capitals and countries and stuff but this last weekend i let myself take the weekend off and relax and i just played a video game i'd been really waiting to play for way too long i should i played it for like a day straight and to the and it's funny is i was i was very excited for spider-man 2 to come out same pre-ordered it and all this stuff and i told katie she didn't play the she played the first spider-man she was like it's all right

you hadn't you had played

so she was like i was i was trying to tell her what in a down period of her not having a game, I was like, you should try Spider-Man.

It's awesome.

And we live in Manhattan now.

You can try to find a building.

Yeah, yeah, you can find yourself.

Who doesn't look for the Grand Theft Auto 4?

I immediately went to the beer garden in Astoria and found where my apartment was.

By the way, these are my two favorite games of all time.

Number three is Red Dead Redemption 2.

As

I just started replaying it, love it.

Love an Arthur Morgan story.

Okay, but so I played the game too much.

But she got into it in a way where, like, I was on the road and the game came through, and she was like, I need a video game.

And then she texted me and she wrote, I got Spider-Man 2.

I don't want to play it though because you were so excited to play it.

And I go, no, you should play it.

And when I say that she started playing it, she dove in.

And by the time I got home from the road, this was like a couple weeks before, she was already 50% of the way through the game.

Which is insane.

She played it.

I didn't even have to play it.

But so I realized I played it so much that I injured myself.

My thumb was red and swollen and throbbing.

And I realized that I was potentially had injured myself before my Jeopardy final.

So like my buzzer thumb

appendage that mattered.

It was like in a sitcom where

Katie,

for the podcast audience, you can go

YouTube and DraftKings Network.

Katie Nolan's objectively, not an excuse, actually swollen.

So what's so funny is it really was like a sitcom, you know, when someone wakes up and there's like a big event in the episode and they go like, oh no, my eyebrows are blonde.

And like, the whole point of the episode is that I'm hiding that.

That was Katie when she woke up and she was like, my thumb.

And then I brought back the nastiest head cold either one of us has had in 10 years,

gave it to her because I love her.

So sweet.

So sweet.

And the Friday before Jeopardy,

she was like, I'm feeling like shit.

And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

You're all right.

You're all right.

Now you're a cut man.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

You're good.

Everything's fine.

You're not.

Come on, champ.

You still got it, champ.

Get some sleep.

And she flew out to L.A.

Which I do not recommend flying across the country at this time culturally with a cough.

I just want everybody to know that what is the most real version of Katie Nolan is the version that you can sense

who really wanted to f ⁇ ing win this.

Of course I did.

And that's why when I was watching, I was finging nervous.

I know.

I didn't know what was going to happen.

I knew, I felt how much knowing you, you wanted.

And I would dare say deserve.

Well, she put in the work.

Thank you, Pablo.

Learned every country.

The fact that she was a country.

Learned every capital.

Katie would come by and I'd be like, so like, what are you doing?

And she was like, memorizing all of geography.

I know where things are now.

That's pretty cool to me.

Bulgaria.

The capital?

Sofia.

Jesus, she's good.

The original main goal was, I don't want to look stupid.

And I don't think I did, so I'm proud of that.

So for people who miss the first two parts of this trilogy, one of the great trilogies in fight history.

Of course.

Ali Frazier,

Katie Nolan versus Christopher Maloney, in which she makes an arch nemesis out of Detective Stabler.

A life enemy.

Truly.

And then follows it up by getting into another blood feud and defeating Steven Weber from Wings.

Who turned into a fan.

Yeah, has been in our Instagram comments.

Yeah, he sent me a message and asked me if i won but he sent it on on monday or like tuesday morning and i was like i can't say

so i didn't answer but now i gotta i have to remember to respond to him i do now think though of steven weber maybe watching this episode and seeing the photo of katie nolan's thumb and thinking to himself i did that turn turnabout really is fair play it really is

it was like when um when frasier used to say mean stuff about ollie getting parkinson's where he's like i did that and you're like damn that really is a rivalry When someone's injured later, and he goes, I'm the cause of that, pain.

Katie Nolan had grabbed Steven Weber's thumb and held it like a hunting trophy in front of all of America.

Like a predator.

Like predator.

Truly.

She said it was a god thumb, so I just wanted it to get the

deserved.

Like the spine of

Steven Weber above her in a tree.

So no one will ever take that away from you.

That's right.

But I want to set the scene because you guys are at home.

You guys know what happens.

You guys are watching this Stone Cold Sober.

You guys are.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, stoned, cold, sober.

Oh, there you go.

I didn't realize the word play was there.

And so you press play, and you guys are

live.

What are you guys watching for as Katie Nolan's face appears right next to Lisa Ann Walter from the Parent Trap in Abbott Elementary and Mo Raka from CBS This Morning and The Daily Show.

And

yeah, other things that involve guys wearing bow ties.

Bow tie enthusiast.

Your mentality is what?

Watching it?

Yeah.

I mainly wanted to remember because I didn't remember anything.

I remembered there was one block, so between a commercial and a commercial, where I got like nothing.

Where all the questions I remember going, what are these?

I don't know.

any of these where I just felt like they were speaking a different language and then I think I got one right at the before the commercial like right at the end and then was like Jesus but what's crazy is watching

obviously we we're all witnesses, you know, that's what's,

but when she was taping, it was, it's interesting to watch somebody re-watch it and kind of know what happened, but not in what order.

Because we were, like she's saying, she knew there was a block and there was a block, but she was watching and she was like, I think this is the block where I don't get anything right.

And then it cuts to the primary coverage.

Like that, okay.

Two questions in.

David Murr's up in our

Good evening.

We're coming back on the air because ABC News is now projecting that Donald Trump will win the New Hampshire Republican primary based on our analysis I remember me watching how do we say his name David Muir David Muir he's been around for so long and I still am like

I remember taking my remote control because they cut in with breaking news coverage of the uh New Hampshire now if you're watching live primaries Katie got a notification that up in Boston they had cut a little earlier.

So she was like, oh, shit, they cut to primaries.

And I was like, no, no, they haven't cut here.

So maybe we're safe.

And then two minutes later, they cut and we're like, is this it?

Is the episode done?

Because it was about the Heidi game of Celebrity Jeopardies.

Yeah, it was about to go.

It was, it was during commercial break.

So we knew when it came back, it was going to go to Katie, who she's playing for, kind of a little, you know, banter with Ken.

But before that, in that block where she thought she missed anything, she actually did fing awesome in the first block.

I don't remember her doing as well.

And she doesn't remember either doing as well.

I was actually doing okay.

And at one point, I'm like, at the couch, like I'd never seen it.

I was like, look at that.

Look at you,

little scientist.

We should remind everybody that the way this begins, it has me marveling at Katie Nolan's thumb.

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Katie.

What is the Berlin Wall?

Yes, it is.

Damn, you're good on that buzzer, girl.

I practiced.

We'll come back with more Celebrity Jeopardy right after.

I know.

It's very frustrating.

It's very frustrating.

You'll get it, though.

It'll come around.

She's a fickle mistress.

I know.

My favorite.

That was my favorite.

That legitimately got a big pop out of me in the room.

I don't remember when you're filming it that they keep the first thing you say before they go to break.

So I just was making small talk with my new friend Lisa Ann, not the porn star.

Got a lot of tweets about that, which I was like, guys, many are saying.

Make sure the joke wasn't already made before you make it for the 50th time.

But anyway.

But that was the biggest pop I got because that made me, that was the most Katie thing I saw.

Well, I just wanted her to feel better about it.

Because she's being nice to someone walking around.

It teaches me to be nice to my opponent.

Mission accomplished.

You were also, though, holding your hands in a different way.

You had your hands down, like Muhammad Ali, actually, like would lower his hands, like confident.

And so I'm thinking, buzzer technique.

I read a book and by the way somebody called me out on it yeah somebody said you can tell she read uh i think it's called like the technique of the buzzer or the buzzer of the i forget i got it on my kindle and whenever i buy something on a kindle i don't see the cover i forget what it's called so i apologize but it was written by one of the like a jeopardy champion guy um and it's says that after studying he made like a makeshift buzzer of some sort and and found a way to study it and found that the best way is to minimize the amount of muscles that go between not touching the button and touching the button so that you aren't like having to move your arm and activate a whole series of motions.

Kinetic chain is instead, it's just you're just pulling, you pull your thumb back on the button.

So, are you your arms are straight?

You hold one arm.

I mean, I'm bending so that you can see.

This is definitely a graphic animated gif that someone's gonna arms are straight

and you're holding the arm, whatever arm you feel more comfortable holding the clicker in, and then you're just one motion to

explain it to me in self-defense teacher tone.

All right, so what you're going to do, I've got to see

its way here.

Yeah, there it is.

Now, if I pull this down, bam, bam, I'm buzzing in.

I let go of myself to define it.

Let me fucking nail it all.

It turns into emerald.

Oh, no.

Well, we do that with our dog, right?

Who will be laying there with the dog?

When she used to wear like her little vest instead of a collar, when we had her on, like, a little harness, and he would have to put it on her to take her for a walk.

He would always talk about it like he was suiting her up to jump out of a plane.

And he was like, all right, now this here is your shoe.

Once you jump, but we also do self-defense mechanism, uh, self-defense teacher with Myrtle, where I'll have my hand around it, and I go, Now, see, my hand is free right here.

You're gonna grab this hand and you're gonna bend it over, choking the dog.

So, you nailed it with the bugger technique.

So, with cuddles,

I was extraordinarily optimistic after seeing that.

That's how that commercial break was entered.

Because shortly thereafter, we get to this.

Uh-oh.

Lisan, what is the handmaid's tale?

You got it.

Mo, who's Willa Cather?

Good for 500.

Lisanne.

Who is Edvard Munch?

Good for 500.

Mo.

What is Paris?

That's the capital.

Lisan.

Who is Melville?

Yes.

Lisan.

What is Dune?

Right.

Lisan.

What is Dunkirk?

Right again.

Rodrigo Prieto was behind the lens for Greta Gerwig's Barbie and this 2023 Martin Scorsese drama.

Katie.

What is Killers of the Flower Moon?

Yes, that is correct.

Apparently none of you had the four hours to see Killers of the Flower Moon.

Yes.

No, and Katie gives it right up.

So a whole segment basically has passed, Dan.

Yeah.

In which Katie has not buzzed in.

Got one answer.

That was a whole run.

Yes.

And so Dan Soder in the crowd is what?

Well, I've realized I'm outnumbered.

I am, uh, I'm with Rebecca Pfeff, her manager and friend.

Yep.

And we are hanging out.

We're there.

We're the support staff.

We're there in the, and then around us is a group that's there with Lisa Ann.

Walter.

And Moraka's husband is on the end of the aisle with us.

It's us three.

And then everyone around us is there with Lisa Ann.

So when Lisa Ann starts going on this run a little bit, much like in sports fandom, when the other team's fans start getting a little rowdy, you start getting a little rowdy.

And

the question, the daily double comes

after this run.

Yep.

Not only does the daily double come, but I want to make this perfectly clear.

I know it's a geography because it's in the category was things that rhyme with Katie.

And the second I saw that the double, that the daily double was geography, I reacted.

And Katie's the only other person in the world that saw this reaction.

I reacted the same way I did when we went to the 49ers Chiefs Super Bowl and Fred Warner gave Patrick Mahomes his first interception of the postseason where I stood up and went, that's what the f ⁇ I'm talking about.

And when I saw it was geography, I went, let's f ⁇ ing go.

It's what you are if you reside in the small emirate nestled between Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

What is Kuwaiti?

You would be Kuwaiti, yes.

And you're in second place.

And then she got the daily double and I reacted too hard.

I went too hard in the paint.

Oh, you

go.

You heard her say Kuwaiti.

Yeah.

I knew you.

You lost your shit.

The second I knew she was going to get the daily double, I was so f ⁇ ing hyped.

And they did not like that.

You can tell with just from the energy, they did not like the fact that their friend's opponent,

husband, whoever I am, is being, I showed up with a big K painted on my chest and started doing that kind of.

Like, I got into it because I knew how important this was to Katie.

I knew she was sick.

I knew her thumb was dinged up.

Okay.

I'm over there in my ball gown with my diamonds on and my lace gloves clapping every time she gets punched going,

but it was, I was starting to get rowdy.

And then I had to do at a commercial break, do a little damage control because it was pretty obvious that I was like, what is damage control?

Yeah, hey guys, this is how nerve-wracking is this?

It's legitimately small talk.

Making the most transparently

good at small talk, forced small talk.

If you're stuck in an elevator with this guy, he can seem like he's interested without seeming too interested.

Has it been 10 minutes or 40?

We don't know.

We've been talking about small.

I wanted to bring it together because I did feel like I overreacted.

The tension ratchets up.

Yeah.

And there's this one moment in Double Jeopardy

where you objected to.

I still think it's erroneous.

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Here we go.

Funeral services for this line dance will be held on the nearest cruise ship featuring a special performance by Los Del Rio.

Katie.

Oh no, line dance.

Oh, um, um, okay, sorry.

Time's up, I'm afraid.

Lisa Ann.

What is the electric slide?

Also, in the case of the corrections,

that's the macarena.

Los Del Rio gave us the macarena.

That's what I thought, but that's not a line dance.

You know, what's so funny is that is absolutely the corner talking to the judge after a pay eye where he goes, I wasn't holding.

Like you can see on the cameras when they're like talking to the line judge.

I wasn't grabbing grabbing the jersey.

If I can describe it live,

and I don't think this is going to make any sense, but when you're hearing a clue and it's live,

maybe it's my ADD, but you really just hear a couple words and you try to take those words and make it into something.

And I heard Lost Del Rio, right?

That's what it is.

And I knew that's the Macarena.

It was stupid.

I shouldn't have gone back to line dance.

I should have just said it because either way, I was going to lose the money.

I'd already buzzed in.

I should have just said it.

I think something in my brain was like, oh, you're going to look real stupid if you say the macarena is a line dance.

Is that what the thing that works?

So line dance itself.

Line dance made me go, because Lostel Rio, I was like, Macarena.

Yeah.

And then I went, oh, shoot, line dance today.

Do I have another song?

And instead of that, I should have just said macarena, but I didn't.

We are playing this under protest.

Yeah.

Line dance, just according to dictionary.com.

or the Oxford languages here, a country and Western dance in which dancers line up in a row without partners and follow a choreographed pattern of steps to music.

It was an erroneous choreographed pattern of steps to music.

Somebody argued to me that

when you do the hey, macarena, and you jump and turn, that that makes it a line dance.

And I get it.

I could see that.

Again, the fault was my own.

I should have just said macarena.

I clearly knew it and I clearly second-guessed.

You know, it's crazy.

So I just.

When you just did that, it fired me up to do the macarena.

I don't know why.

Do I just go through it right now?

Where you like did it?

And then you put your hands on your head and then you go.

I was like, dude, I don't know why.

No wonder that thing caught on.

It's like smelling gas at a gas station.

You're like, what is that?

What do you know about that?

I used to know about it.

Dan has no sense of smell.

Sorry, go ahead.

She actually rubbed it in my face because I'm disabled.

That's right.

It's not disabled.

I am disabled.

If you lose a sense of smell.

I guess technically, yes.

Wait, so what we're saying is that gas being a thing one would huff for Dan's odor is a soder fact.

No,

she thinks it is.

He speaks on things he doesn't know.

Technically, I know what that smells like.

No, you don't.

I had a sense of smell.

You act like I've never had a sense of smell.

I've had a sense of smell up until I was like 12?

No, like 30.

I don't know.

I don't trust that.

He says that.

I truly think COVID knocked it completely off.

You said it was smoking.

You used to smoke.

That was why it was just smoking.

Because he used to smoke and then breathe it out his nose.

Which is

badass.

Sorry, I'm a fucking badass.

Also, started smoking at an age that'll make you gasp.

What, what?

12.

Yeah.

still playing with action figures.

Hell yeah.

And smoking.

I gotta say, so funny.

That's pretty bad.

Yeah, the joke from your special that I found very funny was that he would take a break from his action figures and smoke.

I gotta figure out what's going on.

I loved it.

I love smoking cigarettes.

Please make a non-cancer cause.

Yeah, make them good again.

And then I'll be right back, baby.

Baby, anyway.

We go to triple jeopardy.

We do.

We do.

As one does.

And the category, I want to be

inside of my head for a second here.

Sure.

Because when this category, blank and blank, gets revealed.

Yeah, like, dude.

I'm thinking to myself, word category.

Anybody who's watched Pablo Torrey Finds Out knows that Dan Soder has declared Katie an amazing word category player.

She is.

And I'm like, she's going to nail this.

And so

here's how that went.

Let's go with blank and blank for $1,200.

Answer there.

Double.

Now it's a chance for you, Katie, and you'll be wagering from the lead how much will it be.

I'm going to wager

3,000.

3,000, here's your clue.

Blank and blank.

Used together, these words are synonymous with intrigue and secrecy, and they sound much cooler than poncho and knife.

What is cloak and dagger?

You got it.

And you exceeded your lead.

Great.

Great stuff.

Yeah, what was your thought process as you're trying to clearly like taking a beat to figure out how much money am I wagering on this?

Nothing.

As I'm doing the, I'm gonna wager.

My brain's just going seven, three, four, five, sixteen.

All of it.

None of it.

None of it.

Zero.

I want a zero daily double.

I would like to say that I was going, okay, carry the warning.

If I do this, then I can, I don't.

You're just.

I'm not strategic.

Doing the box.

I would like the

lesson from this all to be that the least strategic person on earth is me.

And I wish I had more of that in me so that I could then do things like, I don't know, figure out what I should wager in situations like this or in Final Jeopardy.

But instead, it was just like, what am I comfortable losing?

Right.

I guess.

What is like, I won't be mad at myself if I get this wrong.

So I didn't want to do like 10.

I didn't want to do all of it because I knew, if you remember, my first daily double was Pewce, I think, and I got that wrong.

Like, there have been daily doubles that I think I'm going to get right, and I get them wrong.

So I didn't want to like wager what's wrong.

No, I was asking, was there a like triple jeopardy of the semifinals?

You got all three daily doubles.

You did a true daily double.

You did five, and then you did five.

Was there any?

Obviously, the difference is you were coming from behind in the semifinals, but now you've got the lead.

Did that change the betting strategy that much?

The easiest daily double bet I made was my all-in, which you would never think.

But I was so far behind and I needed it so bad that I was like, all of it.

This is my only chance to catch up.

This time when you're in the lead, you're like, if I go all of it, I go to the back of the room if I miss it.

And if I don't do enough, which I then later found out I didn't.

So I don't like that part.

I don't like where it's up to me.

It's the reverse Kyle Shanahan.

Katie Nolan with a lead.

Yeah.

And I like it.

In her own head, the opposite of where Niners coach, Kyle Shanahan.

Yeah, because you don't want to squander your lead, right?

But you could, I could have pulled way ahead, but instead I was like,

I don't know, and so things tighten.

Yeah, Mo Raka nails his own daily double, he goes all in.

He went all in, unapologetic, make it a good game, which is

well.

I want this to be exciting for people,

Mo, do it.

I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna, um,

I'm gonna do it all.

I'm playing with a charity's money and I feel really irresponsible, but go big or go home or

be shunned by society.

You're doing this for the people.

Yes.

All right, for the viewers out there.

Here's your clue, Mo, in I'm Just Ken.

In 2023, this documentarian released his latest film, a four-hour series examining the rich history of the American buffalo.

Who is Ken Burns?

That is correct.

Yes.

And you just for Killian, Mo.

Wow.

$21,100 for Mo Raka.

God bless you.

God bless him.

I love the 90s too.

$19,500 for Katie Nolan.

Lisa Ann Walters, $13,800.

Headed to Final Jeopardy.

And you know how this works.

Before the first commercial break, they reveal the category.

And this is what they said.

All three of you with very respectable scores, but it's going to come down to this.

Here's the category you'll be making your wagers on, folks.

Oh, God.

Literary cliches.

The clue is coming their way in just a moment.

We'll be right back.

Words.

Words.

Words.

And I stood up in my living room, as aforementioned, knowing that this is

the meatiest

basketball.

It's words.

I looked over at Dan in the audience

because I was like,

all of it?

And he was like, all of it.

So I was like, okay, let's do it.

Katie, you had nailed animal idioms.

I know.

You are, no one has been.

I don't want to rub it in.

We should just play Final Jeopardy.

Yeah, go ahead.

We are about to crown our Celebrity Jeopardy champion and give away $1 million to their charity.

The category's literary clichés.

Let's reveal the clue.

Many mystery fans blame The Door, a 1930 Mary Roberts Reinhardt novel in which a servant kills a nurse, for this four-word cliché.

30 seconds, players.

Good luck.

Lisa and Walter will be in with you in third place, but with an impressive $13,800.

Thank you.

What forward phrase did you write down?

I love it.

What is the butler did it?

That is correct.

I apologize.

I didn't get it right.

But wait, I love that.

The butler did it.

Lisa Ann, you're going to add to that score.

What did you wager?

Almost everything.

Wow.

$27,500.

And for the moment, you're in the lead.

Katie Nolan had second place with $19,500.

Did she know the butler did it?

No.

The doctor is in.

I'm afraid of

not.

Half credit.

I'm afraid not.

Half credits, Katie.

So we're not going to be able to accept that.

Oh, you wagered everything.

Dropping you down to zero.

Big wager.

Big wager, Katie.

Moraka had the wagon.

That's my favorite.

That's one of the most Katie moments of the whole thing.

Do you know the butler did it?

He did not.

I'm so sorry.

He did not.

He wagered.

$20,000, knocking him down to $1,100.

That eruption that you heard,

not from Lisa, but from the crowd, was exactly like, remember that third and 14 when the Chiefs picked it up against the Niners and everyone around you stood up and clapped?

I was like,

Like, I was just like, oh, yay.

The butler did it.

Never.

Speaking of which,

I'm sorry to.

Has never just,

I never would have guessed that.

I didn't get that.

For some reason, I was focused on the nurse part of it.

And

I went full peanuts because the doctor is in.

It's from the peanuts.

Lucy's.

It's Lucy's sign.

But I couldn't think, i was like four words nurse those were for some reason i did not focus on the word servant and i think that's because i don't like to use terms like that oh my god you'll never have a caliot

as a servant you know i think of him as my contemporary don't you in the sense that who is gonna scrub your toilet

uh

no but it's so i just it didn't and then people were pointing out to me that like after the malcolm butler interception in the end zone there was merch that said butler did it and i'm like i didn't even it didn't even that's also an obscure like nothing not to me.

It shouldn't be to me.

But I did that never.

You know, there's some things that you just, and now I bet

now I bet I'm going to see that phrase everywhere because it's just never really registered with me.

And now it's going to be the only thing.

I'm going to come home and turn on a black light and all over our walls is going to say the butler did it, the butler did it.

I'm like, oh, no.

I will be murdered and it will be the butler who did it.

It'll just some, this is all going to be part of an art.

A guy delivering you room service is going to give you PTSD.

Yeah, it's a lot.

Just the psychology of

you've just lost and your emotional temperature goes to where.

Honestly, and I don't want to just sound like I'm saying this.

Honestly, I think if it had been Mo, I would have been ups like more upset.

Lisa Ann was just so sweet and she was really smart and she

and she played the game really well.

And

she was the look on her face when she won.

She almost started crying.

She did.

She cried.

Yeah, she

the way she like gasped and was like,

because you could, she said, like, haha, I'm in the lead for now.

She did not think at all that she was going to win.

And so when she did, I was shocked that Mo got it wrong.

And I just was, I was really happy for her.

She multiple times was like, my mom was such a big Jeopardy champion.

And that clue I knew because of my mom.

It really like really was a moment for her.

And she was very sweet and just so excited about it.

It was, that was fun to watch.

And I'm also shocked.

I was mad and very.

Yeah, I have you as like the Dallas Cowboys fan who's punching his television.

Yeah,

I don't get that angry.

I get like

when people I love lose,

it's different than cheering a team you love.

Because when you're cheering a team you love, there's frustration, but there's a distance because you don't know that team.

You don't know those people.

You just cheer them on.

When it's someone you love, there's a connection.

So there's an immediate sadness followed by an anger and then back to sad.

It's a sad sandwich.

You just got, you got the bread is sad in the middle, the meat is angry.

And you're like, damn it.

But then a swell of pride.

Give me a sight of pride.

Cause I was just like, and the first thing I said to her, I was like, you did so.

Yeah, what's the post-game like?

How do you super post?

When do you guys get to it was honestly very, I felt the same, not exactly the same, but I felt pretty close to how I felt after she had won the semifinals, which was I was just like, I kept trying to tell Katie, like, look how cool this is.

Look how cool you are.

You just did so awesome.

And you almost won it.

You missed one big question that cost you the game, but you were in it.

And you were in it to the end.

And that was, I was just very like, and still am.

We were watching last night.

I was like, this is so cool.

I'm so proud of you.

I kept like hitting her and high-fiving.

Like, I had never, like, I wasn't there because we love Jeopardy.

We watch Jeopardy.

It's a, it's a thing that we, that through the pandemic, we got into with certain characters.

We just R.I.P.

Trebek, you know, not liking Jennings as the host and loving him now as the host, getting to meet him, all that stuff.

Katie's arc on the show, beautiful run.

And something that it was like one of those things where just as her, you know, fiance, I'm just like, dude, this is so f ⁇ ing cool.

And I'm so proud of her.

And the way she busted her ass, like to learn before the finals, it was just awesome.

And it was like, we learned it was Mo Raka and it was kind of like, oh, shit.

When it found out.

And when I found out, I I was like, okay.

Yeah, when we were like, nothing against Lisan Walters.

We were like, it was excited.

But when we both found out it was Mo Raka, it was like, you're fighting, you're fighting Tyson.

I should say, we were like, oh,

when I got admitted into Harvard University,

I went to the admitted students gathering, and the person who spoke was fing Mo Raka.

Really?

Yes.

Oh, really?

He was the literal vision of like,

the smart guy.

Yeah.

Like, you can be like, smart man.

Truly.

That's why Katie, staying in it and doing as well as she did, I was like, oh, it was like

you're unbelievable.

She's just the best.

I'm the most bummed that I didn't understand Final Jeopardy wagering so I could have gotten more money for the Association for Women and Sports Media because I think $100,000 for them is going to be a lot of money.

They are, I didn't want to say this on TV even though they told me to.

It was, the charity has been, since the pandemic, I know a lot of businesses have been struggling.

They took a real hit from, you know, campuses going online and all that.

And they have been financially struggling.

So I think that like this money can really, really help.

And if you're listening to this and it matters to you as well, you can also donate because I think they'll take any money they can get.

But I do wish that I had gotten just a little bit more money for them.

And instead, I was trying trying to get them the million and ended up getting them because I went all in less than that.

But

I think you did a really good job of explaining to America what this organization was in a real way.

Thanks.

And also, I think you persuaded everyone in America that it's a worthwhile cause, except for Christopher Maloney.

Yeah, he still thinks it's dumb.

Yeah, he still hates your guts.

Well, damn, Staylor's out there on the streets.

I still believe in Lyme disease for him.

So

tick that box.

You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, we did it.

We did Jeopardy.

It happened.

And I think this sets me up for a nice redemption arc.

Yeah.

Also, poach.

I still take issue with poach not being correct.

Hey, maniacs, should I boil my lobster or do this to it in a basket, which I've heard gets the meat more tender.

Katie.

What is poach?

Sorry, no.

Lisa, what is steam?

Steam, that's the better wordal word.

Yeah.

The one syllable.

It was best wordal words.

It was five letter words, and it said it's a way to cook lobster that makes it more juicy.

And I said, P-O-A-C-H, poach.

And the answer was

steam.

I'm also just interested by like how people reach out to you.

Okay, so let me say the hardest part was leading up to it.

I saw a lot of people, one of them is bookmarked, and I have to actually send this guy a Venmo today.

I saw people say, like, can't wait to watch Katie Nolan take it all tomorrow night.

Like, I know Katie's going to win.

Some guy said, I signed up for Hulu and have to pay because the week trial is up and I want to watch you win the final.

And so I'm just like, I lose.

You just want to say like, it's, don't do it.

I lose.

But you can't because you sign a very big NDA.

That's like, don't tell anybody anything.

And so people just kept being like, can't wait to watch Katie Nolan kill it tomorrow.

People on this side of this glass, by the way, were like, so what do you know asking me?

And I'm like, I don't.

I authentically don't.

Katie has said nothing.

Yeah.

And so it sucked watching people root for you when you know you lose.

That's when I said the thing about athletes is like they get to at least experience it when it happens.

They don't have to watch everybody watching it.

Like I saw people throughout the episode be like, oh, she's got this in the bag now.

I can go to bed or something.

And I'm just like, oh, I don't.

But afterwards, everybody has been very, very nice.

Everyone was like, you did a great job.

I like that you went all in at the end.

There have been a couple people that have been like, you should have wagered exactly this amount.

That would have been the way that you would win if he got it wrong.

And I'm just like, My brain doesn't work like that.

My brain does not work like that, but it's not.

Also, not helpful right now.

I know, like, I, it's

the wagering thing this morning was.

We'll do that next time, I guess.

Oh, yeah, that situation, I'll definitely be in it.

Yeah, totally.

I'll take this into account when this exact situation happens.

Thanks for the numbers.

Um, but it, everybody's been really, really nice, and um, which is good because I really did, I had so much fun.

And I think I realized when we were filming the final that, like,

Jeopardy is a game that's very hard to replicate outside of literally Jeopardy.

Like

even when we play it at home and it's, we have to set the rule of like, do you have to wait till he's done asking the question before you can say the answer or do you just like yell it out?

The buzzer system is so complicated that there really is no like, let's play Jeopardy at home.

I've since learned that every Jeopardy clue ever and its answer or question, I guess, is available on, they have like a website that keeps track of every episode of Jeopardy, what was asked, what was answered, all that, which is very cool.

And I use it all the time now.

But it's very hard to do that.

And so I'm like, this is

an experience that I've wanted to be able to participate in that I'm only going to get to do these three times.

So I might as well enjoy it, have fun doing it.

Like I got to play Jeopardy and it wasn't some like party where somebody made up the answers and had to.

There's a guy right now cutting construction paper listening to this.

He's cutting blue construction paper to do the things.

He goes, well, that's what I was going to do this weekend for my birthday.

It's still like, you can do it, but you just don't have the technology to do the like, but it's just, I don't know.

I really loved it.

It was really fun.

It was,

I don't know.

In hindsight, it was cool because I guess a lot of people thought I was stupid and now they don't.

There were so many people that were like, I didn't know you were smart.

I'm like, that's...

Crazy, but okay.

I've been talking down barrel for a lot, most of my career.

I think a lot of people assumed the things were written for me, which just then brings up a whole new bunch of frustrations.

Which leads me to a charity that I want you to know about.

Women in sports media, not stupid, very smart.

Oftentimes, they write their own thing, believe it or not.

They let us do the typing and the talking.

But no, it's just really fun.

It was a really fun thing.

I know it was Make a Wish.

I know, as everyone has been pointing out to me on the internet, that Mina and Pablo would both beat me, probably.

I would like to say that what I found out watching Katie Nolan play Celebrity Jeopardy is that she would have wiped the fing floor with me.

I don't know.

Not, no.

I mean that.

That's not just a thing that I'm saying.

It was really legit and impressive.

It was my sport.

My buddy sports for me.

My buddy Joe called me and he was watching at home and he was like, he hit it paused.

He was watching the semifinals and he called me.

It's when I was in Kansas City.

He goes, I'm watching the semifinals with Katie.

I think I could take her in jeopardy.

And I had to do this real moment where I go, Joe, I love you.

You're hilarious.

One of my favorite people.

Who is this?

Joe Alexander, the guy that I did comedy with that he left.

We're still friends.

Yeah.

Joe Bo.

Joseph Bo.

But he,

I was like, she'd kick the shit out of you.

I go, I play, we watch Jeopardy every night.

She would floor you.

And then he went, man, all right.

Yeah, because I'm watching it.

And I'm like, dude, you just have no idea.

I watch Jeopardy with her every night.

She would smoke me.

Like the amount of answers.

She could do it too.

The amount of answers that she just has.

And we're not talking about celebrity Jeopardy questions because obviously they soften, they nerf them a little bit.

But like when we hit certain topics, dude, she's on top of it.

She's very good.

And And then there's other topics where I'm just tap out.

Yeah, but that's Jeopardy.

Plays.

I don't know if you're playing.

Oh, composers?

Composers.

Classical composers.

Would you get that?

That was rough.

Mo Rocco was on top of it, though.

I got Tchaikovsky.

You did.

Swan Lake, very famous, very popular.

There's certain subjects that we both know to guess one or the other.

Ansel Adams with photography,

Tchaikovsky with composers.

I know Tchaikovsky.

You keep saying that.

I did know that one of them.

You told me.

Dance history in college, and Swan Lake is a ballet.

You told me that it was a complete guess.

No, I didn't.

You're lying.

There's also in Jeopardy lore, there's, I forget what they're called, Pavlovs, which are like if they say this Swedish physicist, those two words together should bring up a name for you.

And people study those, which I think is really smart.

Does this change how you will watch Jeopardy going forward?

The first, so, okay, one thing they don't tell you about Jeopardy is that your wrong answers or the ones you miss will haunt you forever.

I was going to also ask that.

What are you most prompted by?

Appetite for destruction, not getting that in the semifinal.

That hurt my feelings.

One dance by Drake, not getting that in the semifinal hurt my feelings.

And like anytime those things come up now, like if somebody plays that song, I'm like, eh,

which isn't its fault.

It's my fault.

But I'm just like, ew, turn this off.

Like everything you got wrong or everything you didn't buzz in on, but you had right, like those things are just going to haunt you forever.

When we first came back from the final from losing the final i think we took some time off at jeopardy i don't think we watched it for like a month weeks yeah we have a backed up dvr now because we didn't talk about it we didn't like address it specifically like we're not gonna watch jeopardy but like because he loves me and is a sweetheart it just didn't we didn't we watched other stuff during dinner and i think it was just we needed a break i needed a break from like oh here it is the thing i just really wanted to win and i lost let's watch it again but now we're back we're back into watching it and i still love it you keep uh you know if you you lose the Super Bowl, you keep ESPN off for a couple of weeks.

Just for a couple.

Yeah, you don't want to hear the...

I don't want to see the parade coverage.

Just not trying to see that stuff.

But look, I think in general, culturally right now, we're in a place where it's not cool to take an L.

So I'm proud to take my L.

Took a great L.

And to say that I worked hard.

I had fun.

I think I did.

I've seen a lot of people say that I've got a new fan.

Unfortunately, I have nowhere to direct them to right now except this podcast.

I don't have anyone.

Welcome.

But

I think I'm proud of the way that I performed.

And I also feel like if I were to get another shot, that I could go at it again.

So you are formally calling out Lisa Ann Walters.

Oh, no, I loved her.

I come to Pablo Torre.

Finds out.

Can I say something that happened after the taping that I thought was really cool, which was Michael Davies pulled Katie aside while they were doing the post-game interview with Lisa Ann.

You know the trend right now in sports that got losers of football games, of bowls, or of championships, you see the one player stand out there in a score uni and watch the trophy.

Eating someone else's confetti.

That was Katie.

Katie was standing there.

I wanted to listen to what you said.

This is Kevin Durant, James Hart, Russell Westbrook, arm in arm, watching the Miami Heat.

Yeah, she was just sitting there with confetti coming down, watching it.

She had her hands on her shoulder pads.

You know, she had her mouthpiece in her helmet.

And she was just sitting there watching.

And then like, you know, equipment guys are coming up and patting her going, you had a good season.

And she was just sitting there watching.

And this is a a really cool thing where Michael Davies pulled Katie aside.

And I was with uh, you know, Feff, Katie, and I were together, and he showed her she had the highest percentage of buzzes to completions, she had the highest shop uh field goal percentage of anyone.

Executive producer of Jeopardy, Michael Davies, Michael Davies, the executive producer of Jeopardy, highest field goal percentage in the tournament.

Book it, pretty big, big goddamn news to me.

Thanks, honey.

Yeah, the real, the real god of thumb.

Yeah, dude.

It was this one.

No, God, no masters, just thumb.

He's got some real talents, my god.

Yeah, man.

That was, I'm very proud of you.

It was fun.

It's over.

It was over.

All legitimately.

Thank you.

Proud of you and

grateful for letting us chronicle your engagement through the lens of a network game show.

Truly, though, thank you for letting me come here and talk about it because I think if I, all I had was like a Twitter to just like respond to people, it would be a mess.

And being able to come here and kind of like decompress is really helpful.

And, you know, thank you to everybody who rooted for me.

It was very encouraging, even though I knew what happened.

It was really, it was nice to see.

Yeah, I just got to say that that relationship makes me happy.

It warms my heart to know that Katie Nolan and Dan Zoder are there for each other like that, just as my production staff is for me.

And I want to thank them here.

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