Multiversal Share & Tell with Wyatt Cenac, Domonique Foxworth, and Pablo/Yoda

Speaker 1 Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
My Spider-Man is white.

Speaker 1 I have a white Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 I do not have a Negroid arachnoid man.

Speaker 1 That is his name. Negroid Arachnoid Feller.
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Speaker 1 I nominated Dominique for president

Speaker 1 this week. Of the United States? Yes.

Speaker 1 I would support a

Speaker 1 Foxworth.

Speaker 1 What do you want me to do? Because you have that reaction.

Speaker 1 Because you don't want to do it,

Speaker 1 I think you actually are so much better suited to do it

Speaker 1 than all the other people who desperately want this.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, the problem is: if Dominique were to run for president and Dominique were to win, then the Dominique that we know and love would disappear and die pretty quickly as he gets swallowed up in the political machine.

Speaker 1 But could you imagine how fun it would be to just send him texts that he could no longer respond to, but you know, he's laughing at? See, but that's only for a week. And then

Speaker 1 that made me laugh, Pablo.

Speaker 1 Why don't I have the hair? Hilarious. Second week, that phone, he's not going to have the phone anymore.
That number is getting destroyed. He's going to get some new encrypted cell phone number.

Speaker 1 You don't even, I imagine Barack Obama doesn't even have a phone number. You just call the operator and you say, can I speak to Barack Obama? And they're like, who are you?

Speaker 1 And then you say who you are. And they're like, no, you cannot.
Why? Why? I got to follow Barack rules. Can I follow the modified rules that have been set by

Speaker 1 newer presidents? Do whatever the f ⁇ I want, baby.

Speaker 1 You want the Biden rules where you're replaced by a body double installed by China?

Speaker 1 So we're just going to pretend like there's not someone else who didn't respect any of the rules? Okay, I like that world. Let's pretend like that never happened.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I'm down. Yeah, that's it.
Sorry, I'm trying to appeal to a new demo in 2024. Okay, gotcha.
You've decided to go full Rogan? That's right.

Speaker 1 Here's the cause. We've talked about it.

Speaker 1 White cornerbacks. That's the one cause that you can get behind as like an injustice in America.

Speaker 1 I was laughing to myself yesterday because as soon as, so I don't know why, why it's not on Twitter, thank God. Yeah.
Why it's also for that reason a good candidate for a political office.

Speaker 1 I like that you say say thank God, but with no context. That could be thank God because if I were on Twitter, I would become a giant troll

Speaker 1 and get thrown off of it, or it's for my own mental health. Right.
Twitter could treat you like Madison Square Garden and Barclays Center have treated you and banned you from entering its doors.

Speaker 1 It's not 100% certain that I've been banned. It's just...

Speaker 1 A belief. That's a separate episode we're going to have to do in 2024.
I mean, the Barclays one is pretty real. I mean, the MSG one is maybe not, but Barclays, but it's just a reality.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the more that we talk about it, the more that it feels like

Speaker 1 they're inclined to ban me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I'm saving that for our Martin Luther King Day episode.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert. Knowing laughter for people who know the story.
But what happened on Twitter this week was Rashard Mendenhall, former Steelers running back, and guy I didn't know was on Twitter.

Speaker 1 I guess it started with like an annoyance towards white analysts, but it then quickly immediately broadened out to just like,

Speaker 1 I want to see a game between the best of the whites and the best of the blacks. This was the best, the only time in recent history that

Speaker 1 I feel like the internet took something and made it better. Yes.

Speaker 1 So this was a, for that reason, it felt pivotal because it had all of the, all of the feeling of like, this is going to be an exhausting Twitter threat experience, Wyatt, that I'm glad that you have missed.

Speaker 1 But it turned out to be a thing that people took immediately

Speaker 1 toward the realm of jokes. And it could have gone so easily.
It was designed seemingly to go the other way. And instead, people are like, let's actually have this draft.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jeff Saturday tried to say, hey, Mahomes, stop it. You stop it.

Speaker 1 You stop it. I know the history of this country.
Mahomes is with us, whether he wants to be or not. However, Mike McDaniel,

Speaker 1 y'all got him. You're saying you have the same same rule for your receivers that you do for membership on this team, which is that one drop really does make it.
It's not my rules.

Speaker 1 I don't make the rules. Y'all made the racist rules.
You don't get to change them all of a sudden. No.
No. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're talking generally towards the people who are royally you all because I'm, I'm, I don't think I made those rules either. I don't know.
Here's my question.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm not, I'm not in the mood to give out passes.
There is one mother

Speaker 1 studio that I know is good by me with all issues concerning race. Is it the non-white elf on the shelf? No.

Speaker 1 No, he is terrible. Look at that.
That makes me really uncomfortable. He's a monster.
I need to know who brought him in here. This is a spoiler alert for a Christmas episode.

Speaker 1 I need to know who brought him in here because

Speaker 1 if it was

Speaker 1 a white person, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. There are a lot of syllables in this elf's name.
That elf got a conk. I don't respect him because he got a conk.

Speaker 1 Also, yeah,

Speaker 1 why is the elf on this duty?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, it feels like he's been relegated to having to be a snitch.
This is a perfect time. We're obviously doing a show now.
I don't know when it started, but it's clearly started now.

Speaker 1 This is a perfect time to plug my own podcast because

Speaker 1 I, given that prompt, decided that I would have Ryan Rosillo on my podcast. And we definitely started with a little racial draft talk.
So go ahead, get on that download, free review.

Speaker 1 Your boy just came on here and did everything he came to do. I'm done.
Goodbye, Pablo. This is Dominique Foxworth Show.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Vote for him 2024. Do not vote for me.
I would never write in. Can we get a write-in campaign for Dominique Foxworth? How many votes could we rustle up? I feel like we need enough.

Speaker 1 I feel like whatever this election is going to be, I feel like we don't need any joke votes.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. This is fair to play our hey.

Speaker 1 All right. This was all a joke, no longer a thing.

Speaker 1 Cast your ballots for

Speaker 1 freedom and justice to the American way. That's right.
Well, not all of the American ways.

Speaker 1 Some of them.

Speaker 1 Perhaps a better way. By the way, relatedly,

Speaker 1 don't Google Jason Seahorn plus political opinions.

Speaker 1 Is this now going to undermine the white cornerback

Speaker 1 flag that you were going to?

Speaker 1 I mean, that's the one like instance of reverse racism that i actually believe is real like reverse racism is a stretch however racial bias is legitimate you're trying to tell me that in all of america not one white man is fast and quick and smart and athletic enough to play cornerback not one i think the the broncos drafted one and you probably guessed where he's from last year iowa um and then there's cooper degene who's uh a monster in college right now, quite possibly one of the best corners in football.

Speaker 1 Oh, I didn't know about this. Oh, you don't know about Cooper? Oh,

Speaker 1 he's an outstanding punt return. He's an incredible athlete.
There are highlights of him dunking on. He played basketball in Iowa, too.

Speaker 1 Why has Cooper become the new name for, like, if you want a white teenager who is going to dominate athletics, it's Cooper Flagg and Cooper?

Speaker 1 DeGene? Or is it Connor? No, it's Cooper. It's Cooper.
Okay, it's Cooper. They're both Coopers.
I think it's because of the popularity of hanging with Mr. Cooper.
Yeah, Mark.

Speaker 1 White people really loved Hanging with Mr. Cooper.
They loved Mark.

Speaker 1 And was

Speaker 1 Ronnie Pete's wife. What's her name?

Speaker 1 Holly Robinson.

Speaker 1 Holly Robinson Pete. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There were a lot of athletic white babies that were conceived during the third act of Hanging With Mr. Cooper.
Or born. Maybe they just had it on in the hospital room and they're like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Let's name him Cooper.

Speaker 1 Anyway, the point about Cooper is I did a show with Beaumani a couple weeks ago because we both are very big fans of Cooper.

Speaker 1 But we were anticipating for the last two years, we've been talking about this Cooper kid. We've been anticipating that he's going to get moved to safety because that's what you do with white corners.

Speaker 1 Right. Eric Weddell,

Speaker 1 John Lynch. My man Dustin Fox.
He's the white corner who was drafted in front of me, which infuriated me, but we're friends now.

Speaker 1 What's a Fox worth?

Speaker 1 That's the podcast that the two of you have

Speaker 1 that you can also listen to on DraftKings Network. What's a Fox Worth? Oh, gosh.
Nope. I would never do that.
That would be terrible.

Speaker 1 To the people at DraftKings Network, why don't you bring a suitcase, two suitcases for Mr. Fox and Mr.
Foxworth? I would never do that as long as this Elfinish Elf is in this office.

Speaker 1 The point I was going to make is they did, they already moved him to safety. And I think it was

Speaker 1 who was it might have been Phil Yates pre-draft stuff they had him moved to safety already and it was like this is absurd he was the best safety in the draft like no he's one of the best corners in the draft I am gonna have a march or something now is the idea that safety is a

Speaker 1 is more of a thinking man's position than corner it's possible that that is part of the rationale. I think that it's less of a positive.
Like that's putting a positive spin on it.

Speaker 1 I think it's they look at them and say, nah, homie, you ain't gonna be able to keep up.

Speaker 1 No, I legitimately believe that. It's funny to say, I think fast twitch in them legs.

Speaker 1 I think that is

Speaker 1 just a racial bias.

Speaker 1 I think when they come in and they're really athletic cornerbacks, they get moved to slot corner or they get moved to running back or they eventually, if they make it all the way through college, eventually they get moved to safety because only because of the complexion of their skin.

Speaker 1 But I feel like somewhere, and he's never going to get a job in the NFL, but there's a black Sean McVay somewhere who would say,

Speaker 1 I'll take that white Cooper Cup of a DB, and you're going to play corner because

Speaker 1 every wide receiver is going to think they got two steps on you. And you're going to be like, remember there was that,

Speaker 1 this was like a few years ago, there was this white track athlete

Speaker 1 who was just like dusting people. Yes, yes.
like black Sean McVay and it's spelled S-H-A-U-N

Speaker 1 Sean John McVay Sean John McVay

Speaker 1 he is gonna like he would have been scouting that white track athlete and been like yeah what's how fast are you with some pads on if you talk to Dustin the funny thing is all of the coaches that he had for his position in defense up until the NFL were black coaches and then you got to the NFL and they was like, nah, these white coaches was like,

Speaker 1 buddy. Yeah.
This is a case for Deshaun McVay.

Speaker 1 That's the winner. I like that man.
That's the winner. Whereas Deshaun McVay,

Speaker 1 again, he's not going to get a job in this NFL, but

Speaker 1 they're trying to fire Mike Tomlin, which is

Speaker 1 incredible. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 You think Deshaun McVay has a chance if Mike Tomlin's on the hot seat?

Speaker 1 Just to go back to the Mendenhall thing,

Speaker 1 did anybody, I feel like the other thing that we live in a world today where if someone really wants to do this, he could just go on Madden and build

Speaker 1 his all-white Madden team versus his all-black Madden team and not have to take this to Twitter. He could just get all of his all of his jollies out by, yeah.
Oh, you think that ain't been done?

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sure it gets done all the time. And they have tweaked the sliders.
I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry about making the no-dog in you. What I meant to say is that you don't have the drive.

Speaker 1 Oh, I hate you.

Speaker 1 You don't have the drive to get to the top in the same way. I hate it when,

Speaker 1 in reality, I got my license at like age 27 and can't even refute the stereotype.

Speaker 1 Very cleverly insinuated. How dare you? Don't you, you monster.
You're lucky I'm so deeply post-racial.

Speaker 1 I know exactly what makes you the most upset is you pride yourself on someone who

Speaker 1 has

Speaker 1 a very good brain for

Speaker 1 thinking fast and making puns and connecting topics and making jokes. You are mad at me for the joke.
You're mad at me because you didn't think of it and it was good.

Speaker 1 It was good. It was good.

Speaker 1 He is currently trying to compute some sort of segue because that's what this man lives for. segue computation.

Speaker 1 Listen to the show, he just loves to connect topics and segue to new things. How are you going to take us from this vaguely

Speaker 1 Asian

Speaker 1 elf? The vague to one of our

Speaker 1 topics for the conversation. So, just to recap, what you're doubting right now at the end of this is that I am not good enough at math.

Speaker 1 It's like if you went to a sex party and they were like, you were at that sex party, you had a good time. And I was like, did I?

Speaker 1 I know I was there. My pants were around my ankles.

Speaker 1 So we should explain

Speaker 1 why we're talking about a sex party. No, we should.
And it has to do with the fact that I wanted to talk about... I still work for Disney guys.
Into the Spider-Verse. I didn't know we were rolling.

Speaker 1 Cartoons?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 Into the the Spider-Verse is a cartoon, but it's also a lot more than that. And Dominique, I know, I've talked to Dominique a lot about Into the Spider-Verse, the sequel to Across the Spider-Verse,

Speaker 1 which is a movie that is Across the Spider-Verse. We're talking about the second one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Into the Spider-Verse.
No? No, the second is Across. The first is Into.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 not that I'm a nerd or anything. I think.
I think. I don't know.
You're totally correct. So Into the Spider-Verse 2018, Across the Spider-Verse, 2023.

Speaker 1 Under the Spider-Verse, 2025,

Speaker 1 through the Spider-Verse 2027. Can't wait.
Above the Spider-Verse 2029.

Speaker 1 Sadly, the next Spider-Verse is not coming out for like 10 years.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, milling around the Spider-Verse is really when, it's really when the series starts to just, people are like, eh, it's, it's fine. We don't need any more.

Speaker 1 You know, we don't need to mill around the spider-verse.

Speaker 1 You're making a joke.

Speaker 1 However, it does feel like multiversal content, we are at the milling around stage generally, which is sad because I think it probably the comic book multiverse generally is in both of the universes of as far as DC and Marvel universes.

Speaker 1 Correct. And it could turn you off and sour you on going to see this movie, which is frustrating because

Speaker 1 it's great or I guess you don't go see it anymore, but watching it's on Netflix.

Speaker 1 But that's the point though, is that like we've seen entire cinematic universes be reborn and broken apart and reunited under the banner of it's multiverse time and everything you knew is no longer necessarily the way it has to be.

Speaker 1 And so when I get the pitch of, hey, do you want the sequel to a Spider-Man animated movie where they're also doing multiverse stuff, but it's not the Marvel Cinematic Universe multiverse stuff?

Speaker 1 It's its own Sony meta multiverse thing. It's like, instinctively, the answer is f no.

Speaker 1 And yet, across and into the Spider-Verse, in reverse order, across being the one that came out this year,

Speaker 1 I somehow was even more delighted,

Speaker 1 even because,

Speaker 1 I would say, the degree of difficulty on pulling off a multiverse thing at this point, after two years of all of this, really, across cinema in general, that they pulled it off so beautifully.

Speaker 1 I think it's a reminder that like no story is new and the fact that the multiversal stuff feels new, it reminds me that lots of movies are the same movie.

Speaker 1 And some are done well, and some are done poorly. So I think because the multiverse is kind of a newish

Speaker 1 concept for like a plot line for movies, it makes it feel like it can be overdone. But like, isn't every action movie fundamentally the same movie? But we still go see them.

Speaker 1 And there are still some that are done well and still some that are done poorly. The same with like rom-coms and like maybe we've just birthed a new like genre of movie that can exist forever

Speaker 1 well it it also i mean

Speaker 1 it's a weird thing that i feel like for sony they were in a really unique position because

Speaker 1 uh there's and i'm i'm not gonna i'm not gonna tell this story as well as the planet money episode that i listened to that really gets into this which

Speaker 1 you should link to that episode. Dominique's been a guest on Planet Money.
No, Death Sex and Money. Who cares?

Speaker 1 Cut that part. But

Speaker 1 don't cut that part.

Speaker 1 The thing about Sony and Spider-Verse, with all these other multiversal things,

Speaker 1 they're just saying, okay, we're going to have all these different worlds and we're going to just bring in all these different characters that we have.

Speaker 1 We just have thousands upon thousands of characters.

Speaker 1 Sony, when they got into their deal with Marvel for Spider-Man, they only had the license for Spider-Man and so as a result when they started to see the success of the Marvel cinematic universe where it was oh we've got Iron Man and we've got Captain America and we've got Black Panther they went and said well who do we have and it was just Spider-Man But over the years there have been all these different Spider-Mans whether it was the Miles Morales Spider-Man or whether it was the Peter Porker Spider-Ham comic books from the like 80s, 90s.

Speaker 1 And so it really had to focus them in where their multiverse was just based on one character, Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 They didn't have all these other things where they were thinking about, okay, well, we got to launch Captain America so that we can start selling those Captain America toys.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, we've got to do something.

Speaker 1 Black people are going to get on us. So we got to get Black Panther going.
And that's a whole new thing that we're going to have to introduce people to, not just Black Panther, but Wakanda.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to have to have a lady hero. So we got to do Captain Marvel.
And we're going to have to introduce that whole thing where it's all just like, you know, Spider-Man, bit by spider.

Speaker 1 Here's a black one. Here's a South Asian one.
Here's a pig one.

Speaker 1 And it just, I feel like for them in that way. I think that's a reminder that like

Speaker 1 creativity is born in constraints more than anything. It's kind of like the necessity, like necessity is the mother invention type of thing.

Speaker 1 It's like if you give someone a blank piece of paper, they're less likely to come up with something amazing and creative.

Speaker 1 Rather than give them like a blank piece of paper with rules, it's like you can only use these two colors. You can only use these certain shapes.

Speaker 1 They're more likely to come up with something amazing and creative. That's what I try to tell myself every time I make something and a network executive decides to give me half of what I want.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, right, this is going to really make me creative. And then I'm grumbling the entire time.

Speaker 1 But hold on, though, because what Dominique is saying about constraint being like the mother of creativity is why I am fundamentally frustrated by the multiverse.

Speaker 1 It's because there are no rules, because everything is possible. And so this notion of how do we build stakes? How do you create,

Speaker 1 I mean, I think the movie

Speaker 1 this movie solves that.

Speaker 1 And that's what was my, so I want to explain. So just the bona fides here of Wyatt and Dominique and me.

Speaker 1 Wyatt knows more about comic books than any other person that I am friends with. You've like read, collected, you go back.
I've read three comic books.

Speaker 1 I have read some.

Speaker 1 My AOL screen name used to have a bunch of numbers in it. They were X-Men issue numbers for my just sort of credibility here.

Speaker 1 That's right, Dominique. Restrain your erection.
This is going to get real, real hot. I don't think it was this.
I think it was the number of days you went without having sex.

Speaker 1 And And relatedly, I've seen every single MCU project. I'm a completist.
So college, like junior year?

Speaker 1 One day.

Speaker 1 And Dominique is the person who can't stop talking about

Speaker 1 Across the Spider-Verse. I love it.
I watch all the movies with my daughter. She loves them, my oldest daughter,

Speaker 1 all the way back to, well, she wasn't born yet, but we've watched all of the Marvel movies and we watch all the shows and series. I used to collect the cards when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 I didn't read read so many comics. I read a few comics, but I was busy being awesome at sports and getting girls.
Having sex. Yeah, that thing, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 But the point being, how would you explain Dominique across the Spider-Verse for people who have not seen it?

Speaker 1 It's good. It's great.
I mean, I don't know how to explain it. I think it's the thing about it that I enjoyed is that there's a bunch of different themes that you can grab onto.

Speaker 1 I've seen it multiple times.

Speaker 1 And I took my 64-year-old mother with my daughter to see it and my mom is like not into Spider-Man or comics or anything but she's like crying because it speaks to relationships about letting go of your children and letting them be their own selves and so it feels like trying to explain art like it's something you have to watch to experience and that's the best advice I could give to anyone is I'm not going to explain it in a way that makes you feel like you have to see it but it's combined with all that deep stuff it's really smart and funny and and good and And the main character's black.

Speaker 1 Well, it's also like artistically ambitious in a way that feels unparalleled by any other movie I've ever seen. You know, sometimes in like, I guess in comedy, there's a thing about like joke density.

Speaker 1 Like, wow, there's a joke joke. It's like, it's very funny.
This has some joke density in it, but the artistic density of just like truly an army of animators of different styles.

Speaker 1 With the multiverse, what I had not seen accomplished in this

Speaker 1 this way so successfully

Speaker 1 is the premise of we're going to visually depict and creatively interpret what a multiverse feels like by showing you stylistically how every scene can look and even have the physics of something that is different from the thing you saw like five seconds ago.

Speaker 1 I was bitten by a radioactive spider.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure you know the rest, Jerk.

Speaker 1 Well, that was always the interesting thing with comic books. And I think what they did very well with both Spider-Verse movies, and I'm sure it won't be as good in Millen about the Spider-Verse, but

Speaker 1 what they've done very well is

Speaker 1 lean into

Speaker 1 that comic book, like

Speaker 1 comic book illustration, and how can we translate that into

Speaker 1 a 24 frames per second moving picture. Because one of the things about comic books that was always, at least for me, an interesting thing was who's the artist?

Speaker 1 Who's illustrating this particular comic book? If it was Walt Simonson who would do Thor, it was a very specific style of illustration that I loved. And

Speaker 1 there was nothing else like it. Or there was John Byrne or Jim Lee, and they each had different styles.
And so to see their take

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 1 whether it was you know their take on batman their take on if they were doing something in dc or if they were doing something in marvel their take on the x-men there was something that was always really fascinating to see the approach they would take to it and in a weird way it was artistically a multiverse because i'll say from the comic book side of things

Speaker 1 I always hated the multiverse

Speaker 1 and it always felt like the worst storytelling because it it felt like the challenge of these things, which is

Speaker 1 this is a soap opera with superheroes that's been going on for decades and they've run out of stories.

Speaker 1 That's exactly how it feels.

Speaker 1 That's normally how it comes to be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they've killed the characters you care about and they've got to bring them back in some way.

Speaker 1 Informed now by the intellectual property-driven hunger

Speaker 1 of having to, like,

Speaker 1 we need some new stars.

Speaker 1 I think in this case, in the movie case, it feels like it's just a result of like the capitalist impulse. And if you're going to consider something artistic, there's going to be some financial tie.

Speaker 1 And it's about,

Speaker 1 to me, at least, it feels like it's about the

Speaker 1 value of that intellectual property, them not wanting to sideline it, right?

Speaker 1 That's about it's what it came down to because the right thing to do is once you've reached the end is let it chill and bring it back 10 years later. And then we'll all be excited for it to return.

Speaker 1 But they just generally can't because you got to pay me. But at the same time, at the same time, it's weird to think about how we have doubled down on these superhero movies and created this system

Speaker 1 because everything you're saying, I think about James Bond is

Speaker 1 a version of a superhero character.

Speaker 1 And that franchise has been able to exist solely on.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think the obvious, I think it's obvious. Why is like they Marvel was putting out multiple movies a year and multiple series a year?

Speaker 1 It's very different than James Bond putting out a new movie every, I don't know, five years. I think Wyatt just birthed a new multiverse, though.
Oh, the James Bond multiverse.

Speaker 1 The idea that all of them actually just coexisted in parallel universes. Like, this is a thing.
No, but someone's going to make money. But it was Sean Connery, then to

Speaker 1 the other guy, and then Roger Moore. That's right.

Speaker 1 I want to point out, though, that the reason that this idea had been sparked was not simply because I wanted to co-declare with Dominique that Across the Spider-Verse is our movie of the year.

Speaker 1 Get some imaging on that. How will Tori finds out declares it's the movie of the year? It's because

Speaker 1 I would like to follow him because

Speaker 1 he's the cool guy who wasn't reading comic books. Definitely.

Speaker 1 Definitely.

Speaker 1 That's his quote.

Speaker 1 I enjoyed this movie.

Speaker 1 Also, I was definitely f ⁇ ing.

Speaker 1 But the reason why we have to contemplate this is because there is a very inconvenient development born of like actual real life,

Speaker 1 real life shit, which is that Jonathan Majors, who is Kang the Conqueror, who is the key multiversal figure in this MCU phase, has been cut loose by Marvel, by Disney.

Speaker 1 And it's because, and I'll just read it from the ABC News article,

Speaker 1 because he was keeping news from ABC. I'm keeping it all in the corporate family.

Speaker 1 Jonathan Majors was found guilty of one count of third-degree assault and one count of second-degree harassment, but acquitted of two other counts of assault and aggravated harassment and a split verdict.

Speaker 1 Both counts he was convicted on were misdemeanors. There's a lot more to this story.
It's been playing out across social media in that very messy way that all tabloid stories do now.

Speaker 1 But this is a real story. There are real convictions.

Speaker 1 And now there is no more central character that was sort of the linchpin of this entire phase, which is not the most important part of the Jonathan Major story, but it does raise the question of, hey,

Speaker 1 if you are worried about what's going to come of the Jonathan Majors character, it feels like the whole premise we've just been discussing, which is a multiverse where there are no rules and anything can happen,

Speaker 1 There should be a way for like the MCU to just like

Speaker 1 explain this away somehow. I feel bad going quiet on this topic because it feels like I'm leaving you guys out there to dry, but I do work for Disney, but that's not why I'm being quiet.

Speaker 1 I'm being quiet because I don't care about none of that shit. Like I don't, the, how the movie is going to, the multiverse, like, I don't know.
Like to me, it, it, it's hard.

Speaker 1 Maybe I've never appreciated any piece of content or been a fan of anything enough to like be moved

Speaker 1 by the suggestion that someone is going to be removed from it. Like, How dare you be a rational person about comic book movies?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just, and so yeah, I guess I'm not, despite the fact that I've seen everything that they put out, I'm just not that big a fan that it's like, I care about the implications.

Speaker 1 All right, you change, put a new actor in there.

Speaker 1 These are movies, even if there was not a multiverse and you're presenting that the fact that the multiverse exists makes it easier for them to write around it. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 Put a new dude in there. I don't care.

Speaker 1 Make the movies, don't make the movies. I don't care.
I'm be fine. Well, again, that's the weird part of it where I find myself asking the question of

Speaker 1 what is the blueprint that they're following? Because, again, these are just soup, these are just soap operas with people in tights.

Speaker 1 And the soap opera move is there's someone at the top of the show that's like, now the role of Dr. Johnson will be played by so-and-so.

Speaker 1 And everybody moves the f ⁇ on because

Speaker 1 they're just all they care about is their soap opera. And to your point, I think most people just care about the soap opera.

Speaker 1 And you saw it even in the, even in a totally different way where after Chadwick Boseman died, there were a lot of people who were saying it would be okay for you to just recast this role to keep this franchise going, which there's something that's a little callous about people saying that on like social media, saying like, it's fine to just recast it.

Speaker 1 but at the same time

Speaker 1 yeah these what what these companies have established is that the characters are bigger than the people playing that's this is part of the reason why there have been i can only assume many

Speaker 1 stressed out high-level corporate meetings about what to do about this maybe it's the the i'm sports in me but you got injured you committed you got convicted of a crime next man up i think it's concerning to me or it's confusing to me.

Speaker 1 And I guess when you get so close to something, it feels different. If you are like in the movie industry or in the Marvel decision-making room, it feels different.

Speaker 1 But the thing to me that is confusing is how

Speaker 1 they could want so badly to control the perception of everything and not understand the one simple fact that sports will teach all of us. It don't matter what you do, long as you win.

Speaker 1 Put out a banger. you can put whoever the hell you want in that

Speaker 1 make a movie as good as across the spider-verse and no one will care if you put out a movie no one will care about how gracefully you handle the transition of characters or no one will care about the how this person looks different make a good product and my sports parlots get a dub and the stakes though i feel like for uh spider-verse were different because there's also

Speaker 1 all the toys they can't play with, so they're confined to the ones they can. And while Miles Morales, as a Spider-Man character,

Speaker 1 has become a popular character,

Speaker 1 that's not Peter Parker. And it's not the Spider-Man that most people know.

Speaker 1 So you have this different bar that is both high, where you have to make something that is good enough that people accept it and appreciate it as its own thing

Speaker 1 while also silencing all the angry white guys who are like, that's not my Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 My Spider-Man is white.

Speaker 1 I have a white Spider-Man. I do not have a Negroid arachnoid man.

Speaker 1 That is his name. Negroid arachnoid feller.

Speaker 1 I have a white Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 Make Spider-Man great again.

Speaker 1 Make Spider-Man amazing again.

Speaker 1 See you back, my white Spider-Man.

Speaker 1 I should point out that this has been an episode of Share and Tell. We have disrespected the premise of that

Speaker 1 so deeply. We have.
You're welcome. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Come on. The elf is watching.
However,

Speaker 1 however,

Speaker 1 don't get nervous. You got to host through this.
It's a little bit of adversity. Just a little sound adverse.
The reason why I am sounding

Speaker 1 a little trepidatious.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit of a weather game. It's because Dominique.
Don't give up. His topic today

Speaker 1 was his New Year's resolution. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 Because this is the last episode of Share and Tell for the year 2023.

Speaker 1 And so I am going to entrust Dominique to carry us into the new year.

Speaker 1 I've got a terrible idea.

Speaker 1 I've been driving the whole show. Pablo just hasn't realized it yet.
I might pull you over.

Speaker 1 The title of the show is Pablo Torre finds out that Dominique has been running this show. I've been running this show since before it started.
You have no idea. Pablo Torre finds out he's a puppet.

Speaker 1 My hands are dirty.

Speaker 1 Okay. You can find out more about that show on What's a Fox Worth from the DraftKings Network.
Shout out Dustin Fox, White Fox, Black Fox. All right, here we go.
I'm in Dust.

Speaker 1 My New Year's resolution is to be nicer.

Speaker 1 And so that sounds. Sorry, that was me laughing a raspberry into your face.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 have been told that I'm kind, but not nice. So, like, I will be there for you.
I'll be thoughtful things. I'll look out for you.
I'll take care of my friends. I'll like give

Speaker 1 things off my back to people who need it. But I'm not here for the pleasantries.
I'm not very nice. I'm not good on texts.
I'm not like terrible on texts.

Speaker 1 I feel like people who come across me assume that I am not kind, but like I'm thoughtful and kind. I'll do good things.

Speaker 1 Like, I well, anyway, I don't feel like I need to explain myself, but I do think that. No, what are some of the nice things that you do?

Speaker 1 This is all new to me because I feel like your texts to me are always nice.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm not nice to everyone on earth. Or getting into the racial bias in who Dominique is nice to over text.
I see.

Speaker 1 He's saying you're the white cornerback.

Speaker 1 I get a lot of this emoji.

Speaker 1 Just like hand in front of

Speaker 1 embarrass me. I get a lot of that one.

Speaker 1 So I think just generally, it's something that I like to work on. I think that I should be nicer.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to last for a week and a half, and then I'll go back to being my true self because

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm mean.

Speaker 1 i'm just short direct yeah i appreciate that yeah i got efficient never mind new euros resolution retracted i got a new one i want to be more organized wow yeah it's a good one could have helped at the top of this segment your organization that would have helped

Speaker 1 so how do you know that i was not just taking you on a roundabout way to demonstrate that i need to be more organized Who is inspiring these resolutions? Are you Wyatt a resolution person? No.

Speaker 1 I don't make resolutions. You said that with the gravelly confidence of when Liam Neeson was asked if he wanted to pay actresses.
So would you take a pay cut to kind of equal things out? No.

Speaker 1 No. Not at all.
I think that was judgment. It felt like judgment.

Speaker 1 I never,

Speaker 1 I feel like

Speaker 1 I've never made a resolution. I've never really thought about it like that.

Speaker 1 And not necessarily because of the whole idea that nobody keeps a resolution, but it just feels weird that if I want to do something,

Speaker 1 I should just,

Speaker 1 I should interrogate

Speaker 1 what it is that I want to do, why I want to do it,

Speaker 1 and do that work,

Speaker 1 not look for a

Speaker 1 real judgment phrase. Yeah, damn right it is.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 not look for a day where it's like, okay, well,

Speaker 1 I guess I'll do this. And then three weeks from now, I'll forget.

Speaker 1 I have to be honest with you. I'm not traditionally a resolution person.
However, I do recognize that we are humans and these irrational like landmarks and motivations are things that work for us. So

Speaker 1 I think that maybe you should make a resolution.

Speaker 1 Maybe it'll make you a better person. Are you saying I'm a bad person? No, you're the greatest person.
There's only one bad person in here.

Speaker 1 You asked why I was here. I'm here because you asked me.

Speaker 1 This is in violation of your first resolution, which admittedly you did already.

Speaker 1 I grew up on that resolution. But no, it's similar to the religious conversation that we had before, whereas I don't like believe in

Speaker 1 major religion, but I do like the idea of going to church because it is an opportunity to check in on yourself and remind yourself of principles that you do want to live.

Speaker 1 So I think the resolution falls in the same category. And whether I stick to it for the rest of the year or not, I think it's a good time to reflect and think about what

Speaker 1 you've done last year, what you're proud of, what you're not proud of, what you need to work on, and how we can all be more like me.

Speaker 1 I concur, not with that last part, but with the idea that it's an opportunity. It's an opportunity to be introspective.

Speaker 1 I want to be introspective about what about niceties was even briefly appealing to you. Because why? It's something I talk about with Dominique

Speaker 1 a bunch is the compliment.

Speaker 1 Hate him.

Speaker 1 How to give give someone a compliment, how it makes us feel individually to hear feedback of a certain kind. And there is no harder person for me in my life to compliment than this mother right here.

Speaker 1 No, I think so. So he doesn't take a compliment.

Speaker 1 I mean, actively fights it, makes you feel worse for trying. Yeah, because you don't know how to give a compliment.
So there's a few ways that you can f ⁇ k up a compliment.

Speaker 1 First of all, don't compliment me immediately after I compliment you. If you felt that way, you should have told me that.
Don't come in and say, oh, Domini looks nice. Let me put that in my pocket.

Speaker 1 And I say, hey, Pablo, nice shoes. You're like, hey, I was thinking the same thing about you.
Chill out. Let the compliment ride.
Let the compliment ride. You missed, I complimented first.

Speaker 1 You missed your compliment. Also,

Speaker 1 hold on. What if, what if? That is like two people bringing desserts to a party.
Come out of here. That's not your job now.
Or alternate theory:

Speaker 1 you being so bold as to say something that was inside of your head has emboldened me to do exactly the same. Well, then you should do it with the next person you see or the next time I see see you.

Speaker 1 Like you want to do you want to do a pay-it-forward thing. If it doesn't feel genuine.
Like in a drive-through. If you want me to pay for your meal, you want me to pay for the guy right after.

Speaker 1 Sure, good. I don't care what you do with anybody else.
I'm just explaining to you why the compliments, I don't receive those compliments well because they feel insincere.

Speaker 1 It feels like it's like a platitude. Like

Speaker 1 it's like when I say, what's up? How you doing? You respond with, I'm good. How you doing? You don't actually care how I'm doing.

Speaker 1 You are just like responding in a way that people respond, which is fine, but I'm not going to be like, oh yeah, let me mark this down Pablo really does like my shoes today that's all I'm saying in other ways you up compliments so like I don't really like compliments from people that um about things about that I don't respect so like again if Pablo's like hey Dominique great fit I'm be like

Speaker 1 Pablo don't dress so nice so I don't really want Pablo to tell me the draft kings and YouTube audience hypothetically hypothetically you got a sweatshirt with a pocket on it it's cute thank you hypothetically I'm just saying I don't want to offend anybody else we're good enough friends that I'm not gonna say that about you so

Speaker 1 and then there's also

Speaker 1 there's also the compliments that are the worst is when

Speaker 1 something

Speaker 1 does not meet my standards and then people say

Speaker 1 oh that was good so like we're into content creation in general and pablo will tell me that something i did was good when I know that it was not as good as I wanted to be.

Speaker 1 So it's what it suggests to me is a couple of things. One, either Pablo don't know what is good or Pablo has a low bar for what is good for me.
So, like, when I do something dope, now tell the truth.

Speaker 1 If I do something that I think is great and you're like, that was great, yeah, appreciate it, Pablo. You're right.
But I do that's mediocre or okay, and you're like, that was good. No, the it wasn't.

Speaker 1 It was good for you. It was good for somebody else.
It wasn't good for me. If it hasn't become clear yet, Wyatt, what Dominique is doing, at least with me,

Speaker 1 is he is constantly testing me. Nice corduroy.
Thank you. They are wide whale.
Oh, yeah. That's right.
What's that? Why knows what's up? Like that a company? Like an 11-point.

Speaker 1 That's right. Yeah.
Just like big ridges. Oh, big ridges.
Corduroys like

Speaker 1 deer. You sort of like how it's like, oh, it's a 10-point or an 18-point buck.

Speaker 1 It's similar. Similar with corduroy.

Speaker 1 You got thick cords, is what you're saying. The thickest.
All right. Somebody's compensating.

Speaker 1 Dominique is testing me, and he wants a specific,

Speaker 1 and it's not even just the specific compliment. He only will accept them at certain times.
And so it's as if there's in front of me, to get back to a driving metaphor, there's a traffic light.

Speaker 1 And if I am powering through a yellow where I'm like, ooh, this is on the fence. I kind of liked one thing Dominique did, but I know he is definitely unhappy with the rest of it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, do I say that it was nice? Because he's only going to be thinking about how the light is yellow instead of green or red. But the thing is, I don't need compliments.
I don't want compliments.

Speaker 1 I don't care about them. Don't give me no compliments.
We're good. Here's what you could do, which is a little trick I learned, which is

Speaker 1 if you just tell somebody, hey, Pablo, you killed it.

Speaker 1 That can go one of two ways. You killed it could be, that was great.
Or you killed it. That was terrible.
Like,

Speaker 1 you killed it.

Speaker 1 But if you just say to a person, like, we can't run this anymore. Like, we can't run this.

Speaker 1 It also feels like you know. You killed it.
You killed it, man. Like, and it's just, and then it just, it walks away.
You take from it, what you need internally. I know.
Yeah, that sucked.

Speaker 1 What Dominique wants to hear. It's nothing.
No.

Speaker 1 What he tells me, and therefore I can only assume he wants to hear, is the following. Ring, ring, ring.

Speaker 1 F you. I hate your show.
Ugh.

Speaker 1 Nope. Hang up.
Not what I want at all. Because Dominique expresses affection in his most honest form through

Speaker 1 jealousy. And so when he admits that something is good,

Speaker 1 he expresses it with resentment.

Speaker 1 And so my favorite. I've never experienced that for me.
I have not.

Speaker 1 My favorite phone calls from Dominique are ones where he says, f you.

Speaker 1 And then I'm left to piece together, oh, he listened to today's show and he liked it.

Speaker 1 Not true. Look at him smiling.
I'll see you to the draftings that way.

Speaker 1 Okay, Pablo, you got to be figured out. Thank you.
Problem solved. The end.

Speaker 1 I just want you to know, Dominique,

Speaker 1 that you killed it.

Speaker 1 I do want to say thank you to both of you for concluding the year 2023 with me. The greatest podcast guest in history of podcasts.
That's right. Facts.

Speaker 1 What did we find out today, guys?

Speaker 1 Why are you always trying to make somebody else do your job? That's your job. This show is called Pablo Torrey Finds Out.
Or Pablo Torrey finds going to go around.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not. I refuse.
This is a group project. I want your name on the show.
I want this shit called PFDFFO. Then I'll tell you what I found out.
Until then, no, you tell me what you found out.

Speaker 1 That's the name of the show. That's why people come in here, right? You want to know what I found out? Go to listen to my podcast, Dominique Fox of the show.
Download, rate, review, all that shit.

Speaker 1 And also check out Dustin and Dumb on What's a Fox Worth,

Speaker 1 DraftKings Network. I have never been so disrespected on my own show.
Like this, you disrespected me by bringing this

Speaker 1 multiracial vision of what

Speaker 1 elf dumb might be like? There's an elf with a comb through. Dominique's still fondling this elf.
I just hate this elf. Why he got a comb through? He got

Speaker 1 stick his head in the toilet like Malcolm X.

Speaker 1 I like the idea that for people who are watching this on YouTube, as the camera cuts away at different points, at one point there was no elf, then there's an elf on my microphone, then it's moved to Dominique's microphone, and hopefully no one has seen any of us move it.

Speaker 1 It just is creepily. It's an open borders policy around our microphone.
Well, it's just doing what that elf does, which is just appear places where children don't expect.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, they go in the closet, and there's that f ⁇ ing weird elf. Snitchy.
And then they're like, ah, and they're not going to go in the closet anymore.

Speaker 1 And then you move the elf to under their bed or something like that. You terrify them because that's what the holidays are about.

Speaker 1 It's about terrifying children so that they're always at a constant state of paranoia.

Speaker 1 Anxiety elf. Yeah.
What I found out today

Speaker 1 is that I currently feel like those kids.

Speaker 1 You're on high alert.

Speaker 1 Just real twitchy around both of you today.

Speaker 1 what did i do i all i did was just uh he's being racist

Speaker 1 oh yeah

Speaker 1 now i get it i see it now i'm accustomed to this yeah i grew up in america

Speaker 1 um it's okay pablo let's make you feel better i'm sorry look i just want a white spider-man

Speaker 1 wyatt

Speaker 1 i want to say

Speaker 1 I admire both your comedic sensibility and your ability to channel terrifying white people. You're welcome.
Great job. Dominique,

Speaker 1 cool sweater.

Speaker 1 I would take this off if it wasn't for the fact that it would make your ratings higher.

Speaker 1 I'll take it off on my own time and throw it in the trash and reveal my sexy body. www.pablo.show.
Find Dominique's shirtless body

Speaker 1 in my newsletter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, is that you're going to add an OnlyFans to

Speaker 1 this where all of your favorite Pablo Torre Finds Out guests will do cameos or OnlyFans. Every guest takes a shirtless photo, and you only get it if you subscribe to my sub stack.

Speaker 1 Fit.

Speaker 1 Your calendar, that'll be for 2024. The Pablo Torre Finds Out, just a monthly calendar.
Monthly calendar. Sexy firefighters, except it's just podcast guests.

Speaker 1 This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Metalark media production.

Speaker 1 I'll talk to you next time.