Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood

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Speaker 44 When we got to to know each other, Steve Glover, you came in with a lot of stories that I didn't know about.

Speaker 47 About what you had done.

Speaker 34 I'm not here to confront you over whether you had ever driven a car under the police.

Speaker 48 Oh my goodness, like the police are waiting outside.

Speaker 35 Do you have a power ranking in your mind of like,

Speaker 37 young Steve?

Speaker 52 Irresponsible. Man, when I was like,

Speaker 53 when I first came into college, I got super

Speaker 55 drunk like with my friends.

Speaker 39 Is it Georgia Tech?

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 57 There was like a club next to it that we like went to.

Speaker 58 By the time I stepped in there, I was just wasted just from like pre-gaming.

Speaker 62 And they literally threw me out.

Speaker 64 They were like, this kid is like a liability.

Speaker 63 My friends were like, they like picked me up like jazz from

Speaker 63 fresh print.

Speaker 62 They like threw me out to the club.

Speaker 68 And then my friends brought me back to my dorm and then like my RA like saw them put me in there and he was like, hey, what's going on?

Speaker 58 And they just like ran and left me.

Speaker 53 It makes you scared for like the future and their own kids a little bit because you're like, oh man, you look back and it's like lucky that you kind of made it.

Speaker 58 Like somebody said something.

Speaker 67 The other day about like thinking about the fact that you're here is like all these people behind you you like survived, you know, and it's like, that is kind of crazy when you think about it.

Speaker 68 It was probably somebody down the line, one of my ancestors who had a similar experience.

Speaker 60 He got like super drunk and almost got kicked by like a horse. He just like barely missed.

Speaker 75 He's like, whoa,

Speaker 56 that was close.

Speaker 60 Like you're just barely making it over and over again.

Speaker 43 So the people who have been subscribing to this podcast from the very beginning, remember that my friend Stephen Glover, who was a screenwriter and rapper and actor and producer, was our guest on the fifth ever episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, in which we found out that Steve and his older brother, Donald, invented the concept of memes as children in the 90s and are also currently working on a secret Lando Calrissian Star Wars movie for Disney, which immediately made news when he said it on the show in 2023.

Speaker 80 But Steve is also the guy who accepted in 2017 two Writers Guild of America awards for Atlanta, which remains my favorite television show of all time.

Speaker 84 I gotta say, after winning the second one, I'm jaded already.

Speaker 84 This town's not that great. Everybody here thinks they're so hot.

Speaker 84 My agent took me to Dantana's.

Speaker 86 Awful.

Speaker 84 No, I gotta thank my agents at WME, Tom. I love you, man.

Speaker 84 I gotta thank my lawyer, Lev, in the house, Lev Ginsburg, y'all know him, for taking me to a real restaurant.

Speaker 22 Jesus.

Speaker 61 I'm taking down a lot of people.

Speaker 84 I'm sorry.

Speaker 80 And so if you've never seen Atlanta, which also won a bunch of Emmys and Golden Globes and also mainstreamed Migos into popular American culture, Just know that what we're about to do here is talk about stuff like Donald racing Michael Michael Vick and casting Liam Neeson, and also this insane project from last year that involved both 21 Savage, another very popular rapper from Atlanta, as well as Dan Lebetard,

Speaker 45 you know, my boss here at Meadowlark,

Speaker 89 which we'll explain.

Speaker 82 But it is not like Steve has been able to make every project that he's ever pitched in Hollywood.

Speaker 71 There's always one we talk about where

Speaker 73 we wanted to do a trailer for 56 Nights to future like mixtape.

Speaker 51 I say 56 Nights crazy. I think 56 Nights crazy.

Speaker 52 Like a movie was coming out basically like about Futures life story.

Speaker 59 Like

Speaker 92 just the idea of

Speaker 60 like if you know the 56 Nights.

Speaker 37 Well, please for people who don't know 56 Nights, refresh our memory.

Speaker 57 So Futures DJ and friend DJ Esco, well, I guess they were in like Dubai, ends up getting like detained by maybe like customs or whoever there.

Speaker 69 And

Speaker 70 he's put in jail and he has all of Futures music, I guess, on his hard drive that's also confiscated.

Speaker 60 So, Future is without his DJ, and he also doesn't have any of his like songs that he's worked on.

Speaker 70 So, like, the legend is he had to like start working,

Speaker 50 you know, from scratch.

Speaker 47 Like, I like that

Speaker 79 Esco is like the guy with the nuclear football for the president.

Speaker 79 If you lose this archive, we are fed.

Speaker 59 Rappers always have like things like that.

Speaker 60 You know, it's like this bag with my

Speaker 36 unbacked up, uncloud powered

Speaker 50 songs.

Speaker 95 $700,000.

Speaker 96 So, Future has to start from scratch.

Speaker 86 Yeah, he's...

Speaker 91 Because Esco

Speaker 57 is locked up, and there's no telling when he's getting out.

Speaker 58 He did eventually get out after 56 nights, hence the name.

Speaker 34 But on Night 55, it was real.

Speaker 97 It really. Night 55,

Speaker 71 they almost got a new DJ.

Speaker 33 They almost recorded an acoustic album.

Speaker 73 The mixtape that came out and the subsequent run of music Future had supposedly was like inspired by having to like start over again, which is kind of funny.

Speaker 99 It's funny that rappers all have like this kind of same

Speaker 70 like Christ-like story.

Speaker 67 They would like make like a fake movie trailer for that, but we never got to do it.

Speaker 47 Wait a minute, hold on.

Speaker 50 You're acting like I'm so wistful for this idea we never got to do, where he made a fake movie for Future and instead had to settle for making a fake movie for 21 Savage.

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Speaker 76 So before we get to this fake 21 Savage movie, which I've been meaning to get to for more than a year now, you should also know that there is a thing that PTFO does share in common with Steve and Donald and their group of friends that I have been lucky enough to watch flourish in this industry as both writers and honestly cultural critics over the last decade from up close.

Speaker 76 Because both of us love stuff that is extremely smart,

Speaker 81 but also extremely stupid.

Speaker 73 I think that's a good way to put it.

Speaker 56 It's like highbrow and low brow.

Speaker 73 I think that like best describes like the kind of comedy taste.

Speaker 58 Like even you, like me, Donald, it's like, you know,

Speaker 50 it's like the Simpsons.

Speaker 93 That's why we get along.

Speaker 60 It's like we can make a joke about Mark Twain.

Speaker 61 We can make a joke about that.

Speaker 35 Do you, Huck, take Becky as your wife?

Speaker 101 Hey, they done switched to groom with a pig.

Speaker 86 No wonder he was pooping so much.

Speaker 102 I say melting cheese on broccoli a lot.

Speaker 46 Trying to melt cheese on broccoli.

Speaker 72 That's what people want.

Speaker 68 You got to mix the high and the low, you got to mix the candy with the vegetables.

Speaker 76 And sometimes, as PTFO has established as well, you also got to mix in a little bit of levitard,

Speaker 34 as you will very vividly see over on our YouTube channel.

Speaker 81 Which brings us back to something that, yes, I really did need to find out.

Speaker 44 So, the 21 Savage thing, though, me talking about this is so overdue.

Speaker 44 These people,

Speaker 78 they think we're savages.

Speaker 80 It's overdue for a couple of reasons.

Speaker 44 One of them is that my boss, Dan Lebetard, friend and boss.

Speaker 62 It's in that.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 78 Is depicted in it by a guy who looks, I wouldn't say in a literal way exactly like Dan, but is spiritually exactly like Dan.

Speaker 99 Just enough so that he couldn't sue us you know

Speaker 108 even if you have time on her feet pretty much that could be anybody

Speaker 47 except for the part where you said it's him two minutes ago did i say

Speaker 39 i think i i think i meant that with stephen a smith the investigation that i went through on like so how is it that Dan Labetard and Bomani Jones, it turns out, were both depicted in the trailer.

Speaker 33 How would you describe what I'm talking about?

Speaker 83 What that project was for people, again, who did not get to consume it at the time?

Speaker 63 Hey, the way we would explain it to somebody is like

Speaker 57 there was a video back in the day

Speaker 73 for Coolio

Speaker 54 for Gangster's Paradise.

Speaker 73 A lot of movies had like the soundtrack, you know, song that was also had a video.

Speaker 68 And they splice in, you know, scenes.

Speaker 44 Where the musician is also in the movie. Yeah.

Speaker 92 Michelle Viper actually is in the video.

Speaker 60 She does the backwards chair.

Speaker 83 So they didn't splice Coolio into a scene from Dangerous Minds.

Speaker 86 They put Michelle Viver into the Gangster's Paradise.

Speaker 63 So that's

Speaker 75 Gangsta's Paradise.

Speaker 83 The Gangsters Paradise cinematic universe

Speaker 99 is the blueprint for this.

Speaker 51 As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I take a look at my life and realize there's nothing left.

Speaker 48 I like how you're like, explain this to people.

Speaker 58 I'm like, have you seen Geeks' Paradise?

Speaker 60 If you're like, no, I'm like, okay, there's absolutely no way to explain this.

Speaker 48 Which is pretty much how it was.

Speaker 99 You try to explain it to somebody.

Speaker 62 They're like, what?

Speaker 66 You're like, all right, well.

Speaker 96 I feel like you and Donald and all of our friends who work with you guys, Swank, Ybra, Fam, Chad, they're all mad when I don't say their names aloud when I listen to podcasts.

Speaker 89 I say that you guys collectively like it when people are like, so this is a real movie

Speaker 79 for 21 savage that you guys are making

Speaker 63 memories in my head the devil talking to me it's always a funny joke to us of just playing something so like straight or close to it that it's there for a second you're like wait a second is this real to us that's always just funny and it's it's a lot harder to do

Speaker 108 than

Speaker 71 i would have originally thought to make it to really get close. I mean, like the goofy episode of Atlanta, the goofy documentary.

Speaker 83 For people who haven't seen the goofy episode of Atlanta.

Speaker 73 What is it?

Speaker 105 Yeah.

Speaker 99 So, gangsters paradise, right?

Speaker 22 No,

Speaker 75 it's just basically

Speaker 92 a documentary telling the origin of the goofy movie at Disney.

Speaker 44 And the documentary is named The Goof Who Sat by the Door.

Speaker 36 the Thomas Washington story,

Speaker 37 which is already just like pretty hilarious.

Speaker 46 And why I think on some level, like, we are friends.

Speaker 36 It's like, this is both the highest brow and the lowest.

Speaker 97 Very, very

Speaker 34 like a spook who sat by the door illusion in the name of a fake documentary on a fake black media network about Goofy.

Speaker 110 It's a story so unbelievable. It could only happen in Hollywood.

Speaker 110 How did this young, black, unassuming animator from East Atlanta wind up as the CEO of Disney at the company's most powerful moment in time?

Speaker 93 We just play it so close.

Speaker 61 Like the belief is that a goofy movie is inherently a black movie.

Speaker 60 It was just this idea of like, what if it was actually made by a black guy who managed to get in charge for like,

Speaker 71 you know, just long enough to make this movie that's the blackest movie of all time?

Speaker 111 We all voted for this guy named Tom Washington, but we didn't realize that Tom's first name was actually Thompson, not Thomas.

Speaker 111 Thomas Washington was an animator. People were pretty upset when they found out they voted for the wrong man.

Speaker 95 So making this documentary that feels really real

Speaker 92 to the point where I'm like, yeah, you know, it kind of does feel like that's the truth, you know?

Speaker 41 He knew that people thought Goofy was dumb, but he wanted to show the systemic factors that Goofy was dealing with.

Speaker 41 S job, angry kid, and embarrassed by his lack of influence. Man, it was wild how deep he leaned into all this.
Because

Speaker 41 as far as I knew, Thomas had a really solid home life.

Speaker 104 All of which brings us to why Dan Lebatard was in the 21 Savage fake movie trailer music video.

Speaker 67 He's a part of the culture, whether he likes it or not.

Speaker 83 I don't think he understands

Speaker 115 his significance enough to have a developed opinion on I don't know how to explain this to Greg Cody

Speaker 115 and Stugatz exactly in ways that they would understand.

Speaker 115 But the internet, I am told, because we are three old people, the internet has told me that I have beef with 21 Savage.

Speaker 115 I think I could say to either Stugat or Greg Cody that his name is Savage21 and they would not know the difference. But I don't want to be having beef with

Speaker 115 21 Savage.

Speaker 39 I just remember him saying to me, like, what is this?

Speaker 58 Yeah, it's like, sometimes you're just in the right place at the right time.

Speaker 52 You know what I mean?

Speaker 75 Sometimes the universe comes for you.

Speaker 57 And it was like, he had no idea 21 Savage was going to be such a huge thing.

Speaker 83 So he interviewed on Highly Questionable. RIP to a great show that interviewed rappers a lot.

Speaker 39 A show that aired on ESPN.

Speaker 34 Just to keep keep in mind what everybody's pulling off here.

Speaker 64 I love that.

Speaker 79 Where Dan and at the time, Bomani, and Dan's dad, Poppy, Gonzalo Lebatard, are interviewing remotely 21 Savage.

Speaker 113 Young Savage, why are you trapping so hard? Why this capping so hard? Why you got a 12-car garage? Why are you pulling all these rappers' cards?

Speaker 109 Cuz the

Speaker 113 and I'm hard.

Speaker 118 I turn it into some heart.

Speaker 118 I grew up in the streets without no heart. I'm praying to my glock and my carving.

Speaker 57 The background behind him is like, you know, the buildings or whatever, like kind of like a nice view.

Speaker 42 He has like a green screen.

Speaker 86 Yeah, like a green screen.

Speaker 34 A TV fake background.

Speaker 47 Nice view.

Speaker 107 In a studio somewhere.

Speaker 91 But the way like he's like sitting kind of and like spinning in his chair, it makes him look like an evil villain, like kind of, you know, and because

Speaker 60 like Tan and Bomani are kind of like you know here's 21 savage like kind of talking to him it's like a little bit like they're a little bit out of their element it kind of feels like they're scared of him because he's like a super villain so it's just a

Speaker 39 thing that immediately kind of became like a meme i mean 21 savage has a tattoo like on on his forehead on his forehead between his eyebrows his hair is like an anime character i was gonna say imagine coolio was an anime character and you kind of approximate like a black Saiyan.

Speaker 71 Yes. Kind of, if you watch Dragon Ball Z.

Speaker 44 And he is just like, sort of like smiling and holding his hands in a way that has like a Dr.

Speaker 45 Claw aspect, like as if he had just rotated his chair around. And that still frame

Speaker 79 inspired Donald to play the role of 21 Savage in that interview.

Speaker 102 The casting, a big gap in the understanding that I had as to how, how much of an homage this was to this specific HQ interview was me then asking around to our group of friends that made this and being like,

Speaker 39 like, oh my God, like, I would love to talk to the actor who played like Dan.

Speaker 83 I got to get him on the show.

Speaker 117 And I believe, I think it was Pham who was just like,

Speaker 117 that guy has no idea

Speaker 86 what role he was playing.

Speaker 62 He really doesn't. It was funny.

Speaker 60 I remember that guy specifically was kind of like

Speaker 60 an actor who's like there, like doing a role. He has no idea of

Speaker 99 the context of what we're doing.

Speaker 71 That was also funny.

Speaker 57 You saw me having to explain to you what this is.

Speaker 62 Yes. So trying to explain.

Speaker 44 Your life is repeatedly being asked by people to explain the weird thing you're working on.

Speaker 105 And that includes the people who are starring in various parts of the thing that they are helping you make.

Speaker 52 This is the hardest part about creating anything.

Speaker 63 You know, it is it starts off as an idea to you.

Speaker 71 So you have to translate this into the real world to other people.

Speaker 44 It's like, all right, so you're this Cuban guy with a dark goatee and you wear a suit behind this desk next to this old guy and this black dude on the other side and you have like buttons unbuttoned and you're kind of like, you're that guy.

Speaker 44 And also,

Speaker 47 I remember Bobani's complaint that he voiced online.

Speaker 116 They thought that I would get on TV without no jacket all, just with a shirt, a dress shirt with the undershirt out of it, the out the pack joy.

Speaker 67 We had to do just enough to be like, it's not you guys, you know?

Speaker 33 And the old man in between them.

Speaker 73 I remember that day specifically.

Speaker 67 We're kind of behind.

Speaker 72 So you just got to give them the fastest things.

Speaker 71 I didn't give them the whole Coolio speech.

Speaker 67 I didn't have time.

Speaker 56 You know, we were moving fast.

Speaker 83 But that ended up being a thing that people eventually realized. Oh, this isn't actually a movie.

Speaker 85 That's how you know it's a good prank when people are sad at the when you're mad that you didn't get the fake movie that this advertised.

Speaker 91 But that's the thing. Like, you already know what this movie is.

Speaker 62 That's why it works so good.

Speaker 69 You know, if they're like, we're making the 21 Savage movie, like, you already know what the highlights are and how Hollywood is going to twist that.

Speaker 95 Have you ever seen the like.

Speaker 103 Do not ask me if I've seen Gangsters Paradise.

Speaker 22 Coolio's video.

Speaker 62 Have you ever seen the biggie movie that came out a couple years ago?

Speaker 114 This music you got going on, it don't come around every day.

Speaker 120 When you make it, we all make it.

Speaker 114 If I don't make it, not going back on the block.

Speaker 62 What cracks me up about that movie is

Speaker 58 I think he's there's like a catchphrase in it.

Speaker 41 He keeps being like, Can't change the world unless we change ourselves

Speaker 62 that Viggie is saying, like over and over again in the movie, where you're like, There's no way Biggie ever said that, right?

Speaker 50 Like

Speaker 50 I don't think he's ever said that.

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Speaker 83 I remember getting a text.

Speaker 39 If I'm just going to throw Ibra under the bus, I think it was Ibrah.

Speaker 104 Ibra Ake, who is, again, not to dwell on who Ibra is, but just for people who don't know him, artist curmudgeon.

Speaker 36 Professional.

Speaker 65 Now, professional New Yorker.

Speaker 105 Who lives in France now?

Speaker 71 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 59 In the most New York way possible.

Speaker 79 Creative director guy who's worked with

Speaker 39 Beyoncé now.

Speaker 33 I'm just like, what's the, the resume is actually crazy the more I say it aloud.

Speaker 75 No, Ibrah is like a real artist.

Speaker 37 A real artist.

Speaker 50 A snob.

Speaker 33 Professional snob Ibra.

Speaker 47 Got a good text from him.

Speaker 34 Just to give you a sense of the high.

Speaker 39 He's the highbrow, you could argue.

Speaker 79 He brings highbrow credibility.

Speaker 34 He definitely does. From now, Paris.

Speaker 45 Can I get Stephen A.

Speaker 96 Smith's contact info?

Speaker 104 We're thinking of casting him in an episode of Atlanta.

Speaker 47 Atlanta what was the role for Stephen A.

Speaker 56 Smith it was probably season three

Speaker 55 of Atlanta this is the flamethrower episode of season three

Speaker 41 I'm going to donate a million dollars to your school and I'm changing the name from that degenerate slave owner to one of the richest black men this side of the Mississippi From now on this school is going to be named the Robert S.

Speaker 41 Lee High School

Speaker 79 here are the other actors who I guess were being considered for the role.

Speaker 76 Steve Harvey was our first choice.

Speaker 83 Then Denzel and Spike and Kevin Samuels.

Speaker 74 I am going to pay every single senior's college tuition.

Speaker 74 Who's black?

Speaker 53 We had wanted it to be Steve Harvey.

Speaker 56 And I think

Speaker 48 Steve Harvey seemed like he was into it and like he wanted to do it.

Speaker 68 And then he kind of, I don't know, at the last moment, dropped out.

Speaker 61 He might have been.

Speaker 39 Do you think he read the script?

Speaker 59 I don't even, I don't know.

Speaker 65 Actually, did he ever get the script?

Speaker 64 Maybe that was it.

Speaker 73 He read it. It was like, uh-oh.

Speaker 83 He's like, I can't host Family Feud after this.

Speaker 59 I was going to say, I think he was shooting Family Feud at the time.

Speaker 72 I think he was like

Speaker 93 shooting family feud in Africa or something at the time.

Speaker 50 That might have been what?

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Speaker 83 As somebody who has met Steve Harvey,

Speaker 104 when I, you know, became the owner of the greatest comeback in the history of Celebrity Family Feud.

Speaker 123 Name the greatest breakfast food ever created.

Speaker 47 Bacon.

Speaker 123 name someone you should never call when you're drunk your mom name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a wish a penny we got a shot i should have made you ask steve harvey why he didn't do our episode if i knew the backstory in full then

Speaker 68 his voice would be right here trying to get people in atlanta it's like

Speaker 71 That's pretty much what it was.

Speaker 72 You would just kind of be trying to work your network of like, hey, does anybody know?

Speaker 50 Does anyone know William Deeson?

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 105 William Deeson thing

Speaker 89 is one of my favorite things that a celebrity has agreed to do.

Speaker 37 Eyes open.

Speaker 63 Once again, kind of towing this line of like realness and like the strange that we love, you know.

Speaker 44 Again, inspired by an actual interview a celebrity gave to someone.

Speaker 97 Inspired by a real interview that he did.

Speaker 38 I remembered an incident nearly 40 years ago

Speaker 38 where a very dear friend of mine was brutally raped.

Speaker 38 But I

Speaker 38 had never felt this feeling before, which was a primal urge to lash out.

Speaker 38 I asked her, did you know the person?

Speaker 38 It was a man.

Speaker 38 No.

Speaker 38 His race?

Speaker 38 She said he was a black man.

Speaker 38 I thought, okay.

Speaker 38 And after that, there were some nights I went out deliberately into black areas

Speaker 38 in this city looking to be set upon

Speaker 38 so that I could unleash physical violence.

Speaker 45 Liam Neeson says he's not racist.

Speaker 56 That's in quotes.

Speaker 124 After a controversial interview.

Speaker 83 Liam Neeson has denied, this is from the BBC. Liam Neeson has denied he is racist after admitting he once set out to kill any black man who provoked.

Speaker 92 Yeah, no, I mean, you know.

Speaker 50 So just

Speaker 50 sit in that for a second.

Speaker 106 And so then you guys are like,

Speaker 106 we have an idea for Liam Neeson.

Speaker 97 I mean,

Speaker 106 and by the way, the quote that I just read in all of its bluntness and discomfort is kind of where there is a place to actually understand why Liam Neeson would want to do this and actually benefited from doing what he did with Atlanta.

Speaker 69 Yeah, no, I mean, I think,

Speaker 97 you know, shout out to Liam Neeson because it was, it was great for him to do this and to even like hear us out.

Speaker 58 Talking in the Atlanta writer's room, we were like,

Speaker 49 we were talking about it.

Speaker 58 We're just like, it's kind of funny because he's doing the thing that we kind of want him to do, you know, is being honest and like telling these, like, this real thing, you know, and it's like, yeah, it's like maybe uncomfortable, but it's like, this is the truth.

Speaker 60 And like, we're all better for it.

Speaker 72 And like, he should be like applauded.

Speaker 59 But of course, nobody, the headline is just, you know, taking him down, which we just thought was funny.

Speaker 60 We always joke like, you know, you go to like a restaurant, you accidentally like.

Speaker 75 you eat somebody else's food, you get the wrong order.

Speaker 58 And like a white guy there, like that's enough to push him over the edge to racism.

Speaker 71 He's like, I hate all black people now.

Speaker 95 You know, all he has to do is have one bad interaction with a black person.

Speaker 85 And then you might, uh,

Speaker 105 quote, go out deliberately into black areas in the city looking to be set upon so I could unleash physical violence, end quote, from Liam Neeson, which again, the honesty in that, he's like, I'm going to actually express what was going through my mind.

Speaker 85 And

Speaker 22 we are, in fact, better off when people are able to express how they honestly feel.

Speaker 83 So, the episode, again, to fill in the blanks here, it's the season that, and the episode, particularly in this case, takes place in Amsterdam.

Speaker 62 Yeah.

Speaker 104 And there's a club, a seemingly hallucinatory club, where you go in and everybody who's in there has been canceled.

Speaker 114 How did you get here?

Speaker 61 I just followed a local.

Speaker 114 What did you?

Speaker 120 What's me?

Speaker 114 Up-to-date strangle a fan, a shaggy a teenager. I dig it in

Speaker 90 Thank you now.

Speaker 114 You don't have to say it's fine. It's your business.

Speaker 71 I mean not to spoil the episodes.

Speaker 56 What the f are we talking about?

Speaker 97 Some people haven't seen Steve spoiler alert.

Speaker 36 Okay, we can speak freely now.

Speaker 47 You've been warned.

Speaker 37 You've been warned.

Speaker 114 Well, now I feel that way.

Speaker 41 Because you tried to ruin my career.

Speaker 114 Didn't succeed, mind you.

Speaker 90 However,

Speaker 114 I'm sure one day I will get over it.

Speaker 114 But until then,

Speaker 114 we are mortal enemies.

Speaker 62 I'll see you to Ryan Vickland.

Speaker 83 I presume there are people who have not seen this, and they should go and watch it, and they should come back to this to find the analysis that we're providing.

Speaker 83 I now realize, by the way, for the record,

Speaker 44 whenever we meet up, I have no idea what we're going to talk about.

Speaker 83 It turns out that I've just realized what Atlanta was through this particular lens, which is a show where you had to at one point ask Michael Vick to be on it.

Speaker 120 Yeah, Michael Vick out here racing people. He taking bets, too.
Yeah, boy.

Speaker 78 Is he?

Speaker 120 Is he doing okay?

Speaker 56 Oh, he fine.

Speaker 120 It's just some good hustle. Yeah, drunk people just want to race.

Speaker 120 This is his sixth race in the 10 minutes I've been standing here.

Speaker 120 That boy good. Anybody else? Anybody?

Speaker 64 3-1 odds.

Speaker 40 It's fair.

Speaker 98 I kind of want to see this.

Speaker 55 I'll do it.

Speaker 120 Sometimes you just got to stun on people.

Speaker 83 The shooting of it, in terms of like just

Speaker 39 how you guys

Speaker 39 told the story of the race.

Speaker 22 As in

Speaker 34 stops right as Donald seems to like get ahead of Michael Mick at the starting line.

Speaker 44 And then like the

Speaker 34 motif of the

Speaker 58 kind of like rocky music.

Speaker 44 The whole thing of we don't need to show the race.

Speaker 60 Yeah, you don't need to see the race, but it's like, how much of the race do you need to show?

Speaker 58 It's like just him getting a jump on Michael.

Speaker 63 Vic is enough to make you laugh and like, oh, maybe he's actually going to do this, you know?

Speaker 105 And then

Speaker 79 the car

Speaker 104 and there is no music.

Speaker 22 It is

Speaker 83 dead silent for several seconds.

Speaker 103 And you don't even know the outcome, except it's now obvious what the outcome is.

Speaker 110 And then she says, It's Michael Fick.

Speaker 93 Which is the truth.

Speaker 48 You know, that's what's so funny, too.

Speaker 67 It's such a great economy of showing.

Speaker 102 And I mean, in this case, obviously, like in writing, it's show, don't tell.

Speaker 44 This is the inversion of that.

Speaker 88 It's don't show either.

Speaker 22 Like, don't show and don't tell.

Speaker 58 It's kind of like

Speaker 52 horror movies, you know?

Speaker 71 It's like the less you show sometimes, it's like the better.

Speaker 95 You know, let people's imagination work a little bit, you know.

Speaker 98 I mean, Donald always had a philosophy on the show, too, of just like, we don't need to explain everything to the audience.

Speaker 58 We don't need to like hold their hand through everything.

Speaker 61 Like, they're going to get it.

Speaker 58 You know, TV sometimes you're like too worried about like explaining everything.

Speaker 108 You know, it's it's like I gotta bring dangerous minds.

Speaker 79 It's literally the exact opposite to what I've been forcing you to do

Speaker 64 for an hour.

Speaker 62 Exactly.

Speaker 67 Michael Vick, man.

Speaker 68 An Atlanta legend.

Speaker 104 Can you take us inside the origin of that scene?

Speaker 46 Do you remember how it originated?

Speaker 69 I remember me and one of of the other writers on the show, Jamal, aka Swank.

Speaker 99 I remember we went to like Complex Con one year,

Speaker 52 like out here in LA.

Speaker 60 And like you go into like the bathroom and it's like

Speaker 99 a hundred dice games going on, like full moti.

Speaker 63 It's like a Star Wars casino in the back

Speaker 119 in there.

Speaker 91 And that's what's kind of like funny about like Atlanta.

Speaker 63 Like, you know, the strip club or like the parking lot even it's like there's like a million things like going on other side hustles and side adventures happening you know all throughout this place it's like a pool game going on over here for thousands of dollars you know and it's just this idea that michael vick could like raise money whenever he wants you know just for racing drunk people which to be fair is a pretty great thing i mean if i was in atlanta and michael vick was in a parking lot and people were racing him i would definitely be interested i mean i feel like that's actually a wildly that's like hot ones now that's hot yeah yeah yeah that was hot

Speaker 90 i know i know

Speaker 116 still hot it's a it's a weird show i know

Speaker 109 that's like a that's a complex youtube franchise actually speaking of which man we should talk to michael vick and see how if he wants to race people he interviews people like they're like stretching he's like kind I'm like, so like, what's the movie about?

Speaker 50 Like, they're both at a starting line.

Speaker 62 And he races them.

Speaker 71 He's like racing.

Speaker 102 You have to answer while you're racing him.

Speaker 50 It's like long distance.

Speaker 66 Like they're going to race him for like a mile.

Speaker 58 That's the equalizer with Michael Vick.

Speaker 63 If you can run for a long time, you know, that's how you beat him.

Speaker 34 What was the

Speaker 83 pitch to Michael Vick?

Speaker 39 Was that a hard?

Speaker 79 Do you remember if it was a hard ask, if he got it immediately?

Speaker 39 If he was like,

Speaker 59 yeah, I'll do that.

Speaker 57 I think he was pretty on board.

Speaker 75 He was actually like, sure, yeah, no, it sounds cool.

Speaker 67 Like, I remember he was like into it and fine.

Speaker 63 I mean, with that shot in particular, I'm like, that's just like a

Speaker 60 perfect

Speaker 60 kind of picture of like doing comedy, especially too, of like

Speaker 91 the script, whatever's in the script there, it was not what it was there.

Speaker 58 You know what I mean?

Speaker 99 It's like you gotta find it, you gotta find the comedic timing.

Speaker 60 Sometimes that's there, sometimes it's in the editing. I realized that too, like first season.

Speaker 73 People would read scripts and they would be like, What is this?

Speaker 65 You know, kind of like, what are we doing?

Speaker 34 You know, by the time, wait a minute, Justin Bieber's black, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 120 Wait, it's cool, it's cool.

Speaker 120 This is me,

Speaker 41 this is the real Justin.

Speaker 62 I'm not

Speaker 48 always funny with the Justin Bieber episode.

Speaker 73 I remember we literally sent it to FX the script and they were like,

Speaker 65 are we going to be able to get Justin Bieber?

Speaker 63 Like, that was like the kind of the first ask, because

Speaker 48 that's how hard it was for them to understand what was going on.

Speaker 50 Script.

Speaker 45 So you guys want us to get Justin Bieber.

Speaker 88 They're like, so...

Speaker 54 Donald's going to get Justin Bieber, right?

Speaker 69 Because we're not going.

Speaker 83 We can't do that, you you know but look the term from literature to be highbrow right is magical realism like that's spanish literature it's like they don't they're not explaining either yeah like why why is there this mysterious man on a bus eating like a peanut butter sandwich resistance is a symptom of the way things are

Speaker 125 not the way things necessarily should be

Speaker 125 Actual victory belongs to things that simply do not see failure.

Speaker 125 Let the path push you like a broken branch in a river's current.

Speaker 118 Nah, nah, I'm not going out like that, but thanks for the advice.

Speaker 125 Fight this out

Speaker 32 at the end of the book.

Speaker 46 They don't tell you, by the way, that was an allegory.

Speaker 35 Do you think it's harder or easier to make Atlanta now

Speaker 83 than it was compared to when you guys actually did make multiple seasons, critically acclaimed and also very at times subreddit aggravating?

Speaker 87 It's hard to answer that question because

Speaker 75 in some ways, it's like, yeah, it would be hard to get it made.

Speaker 109 But at the same time, I think people are just as thirsty for this type of thing.

Speaker 95 So in some ways, the climate is like perfect for it, you know?

Speaker 83 I, I, you know, yes, yes, that's, that's the argument for it is that we are, whether we can articulate this or articulate it enough, we are starving for stuff that actually does make us think

Speaker 117 as well as make us laugh at the same time.

Speaker 37 And doing shit that's smart, but again, has some cheese melted on the broccoli.

Speaker 62 Exactly. Is

Speaker 83 we just don't have enough of it, even as we're starving for it.

Speaker 71 Even when people are asking for it, the timing's got to be right.

Speaker 60 You got to be able to like find a way to cut through.

Speaker 67 I think our show was able to cut through.

Speaker 70 And like in an age where everybody's also like, look at me, I'll do anything to cut through.

Speaker 60 It's like, how do you subvert that?

Speaker 93 It's like, well, you just be good, I guess.

Speaker 83 I do like how the lesson at the end of this, like, what did I find out today?

Speaker 105 I guess you should be good at making things.

Speaker 83 I would bet on whoever is actually like skilled.

Speaker 101 You definitely should,

Speaker 48 you definitely should, you know.

Speaker 60 I mean, it's like

Speaker 63 I'll go to the

Speaker 63 like farmer's market, very LA sort of thing, you know, and there's like this bread-like place that's there, like just kind of like French bakery that comes out there.

Speaker 58 And all the bread is like, every time you like come, it's like most of it's gone.

Speaker 57 Cause I guess people are coming at like six in the morning to get this bread or whatever.

Speaker 62 You're going to be like, there's no way this

Speaker 73 croissant is that good or whatever.

Speaker 108 And then you like get one, you get like something there, and you're like, oh, this actually is pretty good.

Speaker 58 And you're like, yeah, you know,

Speaker 48 like you said, betting on the people who know what they're doing.

Speaker 67 You could, you could think like man i'll just go to vons and get a croissant but it's like

Speaker 42 you're gonna pay for that no you and by the way what you need are people who have maybe the ability to like communicate and then teach this to younger people even if they may seem like a strange person to listen to which does remind me of the movie dangerous minds

Speaker 94 man

Speaker 69 we got maybe we'll just update dangerous Dangerous Minds.

Speaker 68 I'm thinking Lando, the Lando movies, just kind of like Dangerous Minds.

Speaker 105 What if Lando

Speaker 80 was Michelle Pfeiffer?

Speaker 109 There's a space school in Cloud City.

Speaker 71 There's a lot of these like inner Cloud City

Speaker 66 aliens.

Speaker 71 They got to pass this test, but they don't believe in themselves enough.

Speaker 70 You know, they got a lot of issues with their alien home life.

Speaker 73 We'll pitch that to Disney.

Speaker 43 This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Metalark media production,

Speaker 43 and I'll talk to you next time.

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