Share & Smooch & Tell with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

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Where the f were you?

Dude, I'm at work, dude.

I got a fing job, dude.

Does it make it into so do I?

Does it make it into the YouTube video if I'm not late?

If I'm the one who was here first, were you?

Does it make it into it then?

First,

before both of us

before first before me i mean pablo lives here it's his office slept under this he works all the time and everyone's mad at him

and that makes me wealthy it's not your first new york times episode because you guys did an episode without me but i this might be my first new york times episode

in our partnership this is very legal specific is it or is it not

the new york times and the athletics that was hamburger's new york times right yeah hamburger made a debut in the athletic podcast network in partnership with the New York Times.

Do you guys not pick up what I'm putting down?

This is a very specifically.

Oh, yeah, we got merch.

A fan.

That's a nice fan-made merch.

This is not even our own doing, but thank you to Ernie Threads.

Ernie Threads, let me know.

Ernie Threads.

Look at that

stick hat.

What's the joke?

I missed.

Not that I don't listen to every episode, Pablo.

It's just.

I have the transcript of every episode tattooed on my back if you want to read it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every episode.

This is a key part of the thing that people are already sick of us.

I'm just so small.

Big backed?

It's an alley time.

Truly, big bang.

How are you guys?

Good.

Can I say something?

Did Alonzo Hamburger send you a message on?

He did.

He sent me a text.

I got, dear Pablo, mere words.

Cannot express my gratitude for allowing me to be a best guest on your podcast.

I never imagined the episode received such an overwhelming response.

I truly appreciate the opportunity.

Kudos to your editing staff.

What an awesome job.

Exclamation point.

It goes on.

It goes on.

Hamburger was not entirely sure when he joined whether it was, in fact, Michael's show or not.

I think for various reasons.

It's not clear to him still.

I felt bad.

Now it is.

I'm glad it went well.

I also felt bad in the moment being blindsided by a hamburger because I did feel like I owed it to stand-up comedy to have known who that was.

I should have known that.

That's when that was like the whitest thing I've ever done, not knowing who I was.

It's the whitest thing that all of us had ever done.

And then I got left out of when you guys got to go, like, we're not that white.

And I'm like, yeah, that's, I know.

What about because we literally aren't that white?

I know.

We had to lose you on account of being the whitest person in the room.

Yeah.

But he was so, he was so gracious.

What?

Straight Straight up lovely.

That's so sweet.

No one sends a thank you note after that begins.

Dear Pablo, mere words cannot express my gratitude.

And it goes on.

I'm just like, this man.

Yeah.

That's really

made me cry a little bit.

And now I just love that people on our like social accounts just, whenever you do something notable, people just go, hamburger.

Speaking of your social accounts, I don't think this show follows me.

I don't think I'm followed by this show.

On and through.

And honestly, that's fine.

Whatever.

Whatever.

I don't follow this show.

What's that?

I don't follow anyone.

Maybe that's why I never follow the show.

You don't follow anyone?

I follow my wife, my son, my sister, my brother.

But it's part of the ecosystem.

If anyone's going to follow you, you owe it to follow.

Well, I don't, though.

This is why we weren't in the VIP line for a special.

It was those people that he followed.

You were.

You were in the VIP line.

If you were on Instagram, you'd know.

We're a big deal.

If you followed us, you'd know.

I only look at the people.

Like, if you, let's say you like my thing, then I look, then I look at your thing.

That's do you realize how that sounds?

Are you hearing yourself say it?

You know, Shan though.

Yes, it sounds bad, but you, but the people, the people

if you like me, I'll consider you.

Yeah, people look at my, like, I look through, people look at my story, you know, whatever, then I look, then I go, click, click, click, click, click, through those people, but I don't.

That's insane.

That's an insane person.

I don't want to be following people on Instagram.

What if the people who look at your story don't know?

What if you don't know them?

What if they're just people who are?

Then I very quickly, I'm like, I'm not going to be able to do it.

What a waste of your precious time.

I don't know.

I I think if I followed more people on Instagram, it would be bad for my Twitter.

Twitter now is absolutely horrible for me.

Twitter sucks in general.

It does.

It's gone.

I miss what it was.

Disagree.

You like it better now.

Because you're

engaging in stuff.

I mean, you're having full

billionaires.

For you, it's good.

That's why Twitter sucks because I log on for like a little jokey joke.

Yeah.

The website that used to be all about the character limit that taught me about how to make things, it made me funnier.

Yeah.

Is now i log on and it's 18 paragraphs from a billionaire about how business works at my friend and i don't understand or care about any of it and i go i'm just gonna go scroll through people's pictures from vacation can i confess that like i'm so glad you started the podcast i don't know this is so anxiety can we just say that the podcast is gonna start well i think that used to come with this podcast also it used to be like hey guys before you come in have like some this this and this prepare yeah now it's just absolutely wild west no anything could happen on this podcast

it used to be a thing where i tried tried to structure it, and now I just see this so genuinely as relief.

And I mean that in every sense.

Like relief for.

This is how most people use a social life.

But I

understand.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This feels like a nice change of face.

I lost it.

I was, I was, I was like,

so I started writing an email.

What did you say?

I was just making sure that the Paris Hilton TV series was not called the social life.

It was called The Simple Life.

The Simple Life.

And I was like, are you comparing me to just like

Harris Hilton and was Nicole Ritchie also on The Simple Life?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They did a whole,

you know, that pitchfork.

What's that called?

American Gothic.

American Gothic.

They did like that.

Grant part of it.

Grant's show is not correct.

That's the guy from Melrose Place who's married to the lady who won the Emmy.

Who, which one was the podcast?

That won the Emmy.

Did you see Chrissy Miliotti's speech, Most Likable Lady on Earth?

I love that woman.

She was so good in Penguin.

I did not see it.

And her speech was so cute.

It was just so sweet.

Thank you so much.

I love you and I love acting so much.

She seems delighted.

She seems delighted.

She was there.

I saw her in Once the Musical on Broadway.

Oh, my God.

And she was.

I love Once the Musical.

Wait, she can sing?

Oh, brother.

I think she kissed Dan.

I think she kissed Dan in a movie.

I've never watched it.

Dan's in a rock.

Now we're finding out stuff.

Just don't

get away with me.

I'd rather see the bathtub, okay?

I don't want to.

Why did you say the bathtub?

Because I don't want them to show me them kissing me.

She's so cool.

She's so funny.

There's no reason to be.

She's so pretty.

She's so successful.

I know it's acting, but I don't, I'm not an actor.

So I'm not built.

I don't know what actors have in them the ability to go.

It's not my husband that's kissing that person.

I go like, ew, stop.

Yeah, I think me.

I think actors have the ability to break up and get divorced.

That's what they have.

Can we talk about this?

This is a good topic.

Okay, here we go.

Here we are.

Here we are.

We've landed on.

This is what I brought.

I feel like I'm going to expose myself.

I feel like that's not a progressive way of thinking.

I feel like I'm embarrassingly monogamous.

I see what you're saying.

I also feel that way.

I think that

if I had to do, well, first of all, I'm nowhere even remotely near the level of success that someone is like, would you want to be in this scene that involves a lot of smooching?

Or smooching plus, God forbid.

i mean i couldn't but the idea the streaming service the idea

the idea of smooching plus is absolutely it's horrifying to me and i guess it is that's just part of it looking at it i think if i would never i'm i don't know if i would never stop him i would never stop him from doing something he wants to do we would have to have a conversation but i would absolutely stop myself from watching it that's like i wouldn't it would bum me out why would i do that this was like a controversy it's always it seems a controversy certainly when it comes to like the superman stuff have you guys heard about that controversy what's the superman thing oh um so david cornsweat yeah who is the new superman and the lowest visually i haven't seen it yet visually what a superman yum yum delish i didn't that's not what i meant but also yes is it not what you meant but all isn't absolutely superman like if you if you just if you saw that guy walking on the street well that's super that that's probably superman superman yeah i think i just saw this one he has glasses on but i think it's him have you seen Vision?

Have you seen his?

Okay, I'm not even letting you get the thing you wanted to say.

Have you seen his audition tape?

His audition tape was circular.

Great.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

A lot of credit goes to his, also, his partner, his, I believe that's his girlfriend or wife or whatever his relationship situation is.

That's doing the reading with him.

I'm like, they're doing a great job.

It's August 28th, 2025, about 3 p.m.

I'm sitting here with, of all people,

Superman.

Hello.

Welcome.

Thank you.

I'm pleased to be here.

This is weird.

I'm not weirded out at all.

You said you wanted to interview me.

Yes, but I've helped Dan with self-tapes and been like, oh, I'm not given with that.

My wife

has also helped me with self-tapes.

And I feel like my wife went to college for acting as an incredible actress, but sometimes she's like, I'm really not into doing this for the 50th time.

So I have to get in those first few takes, or she very absolutely reasonably is like, I think this is enough now.

Yeah, I think we have it.

If we were going to get it, we got it.

Yeah, none of these takes are different at this point.

I love the gentleman severance.

So the gentle feedback of like, you need to stop thinking this is going to get better.

Yeah.

What is happening is progressively you are getting more tired, not better.

Rachel Brosnahan plays Lois Lane in the new Superman.

She's great.

She was great in

Asia, but she was also great in House of Cards.

Okay.

House of Cards?

Yeah, she's great in House of Cards.

So the point being that there was this controversy around her significant other in real life, her partner, and

it's a function of how steamy the chemistry was between the two of them, such that even there were these like behind the scenes videos of like maybe her planting, seemingly a smooch after the camera had stopped rolling so

into the scene they were.

This was one of the clips that got circulated.

And so the question that happened was, how does her partner in real life feel now that all of these people are in his mentions making fun of him for being cucked by yum yum delish Superman?

I mean, anybody.

I think the mentions are the mentions really amplify the problem, I think, because it's like, like, you know, when two people are talking and the conversation is kind of innocuous, then a third person comes by and is like, oh, shit.

You're like, wait, have I known that?

I didn't feel that, but now that it's been felt, I have to take the offense.

It's just the podcast.

So I could see that being however, whatever capability you have to overcome just the smooching plus,

a third party jumping in and being like, you should be upset about this, I think would make you naturally, I'm not strong enough to imagine a world where that doesn't make me feel worse.

So here's a variety headline from July of this year.

Okay.

As this episode is.

This is effectively news.

This is just breaking guys.

We're in the news.

Breaking now.

Neil McDonough says in variety, quote, Hollywood turned on me, end quote.

Oh, I remember this.

I wouldn't kiss another woman on screen.

Yeah.

Colin, I couldn't get a job and I lost everything.

Oh, my God.

Neil McDonough, a veteran character actor who's appeared in everything from Band of Brothers to Desperate Housewives, Minority Report, American Horror Story, Suits and More.

What a, what a IMDb.

Suits and more.

That's great.

Suits plus.

He revealed during an interview on the Nothing Left Unsaid podcast that Hollywood shut him out and refused to kiss other actors on screen.

Yeah, I remember, I remember hearing about this.

They have five children together, he and Ruve Robertson since 2003.

They have been married.

He's had it in his contracts that he wouldn't kiss another woman.

And it was him really who had a problem with it.

This is a quote.

My wife didn't have any problem with it, but he couldn't do it.

And Hollywood turned on him.

Apparently, he got blackballed, is what he's saying,

because

he had this rule.

That's but that

real Katie Nolan position is what I'm hearing.

That's what you, that's what you would do.

I don't know.

I just like, I can't, um,

I have always said I don't think I'd be a very good actress because I'm not very, my, I kind of only am just this one way.

And if you like it, that's awesome.

And if you don't, unfortunately, this is what I've got.

And so acting is always interesting to me.

I also feel like with the rise of misinformation, just to like zoom out a little bit, every, the thing I'm losing sight of first

is like real and fake.

Anything that blurs the line of real and fake to me at this time makes me go like, I don't know.

I think we need to know what's real and what's fake because it's things are starting to get a little

bit unmoved.

I'm zooming out too far to then zoom back in.

Okay.

That like the I've always had it, I've struggled with being able to act.

I couldn't act like I was kissing somebody unless I really was enjoying kissing them.

That would be what I would have to do.

I would have to be enjoying it to look like I was enjoying it.

I mean,

not back in college.

For God's sake.

For absolute guess.

But now.

Offering a fist bump to a limp.

I just got a non-consensual fist bump.

Now, as a fully realized connected adult, like I can't, I don't know how people do.

That's how I recognize what I'm trying to explain is how I recognize acting is a skill.

Because there are people that just go, Yeah, I'm kissing that person.

It is, it means nothing.

I am not enjoying it.

They actually have really bad breath.

The ability to just make it seem like this incredible, to create fake chemistry is the antithesis to me of what my whole life is about.

So I, that's why I, why am I explaining this?

And you're looking at me like I'm, I think this is a compliment.

I don't know.

I'm just trying to explain why I don't, why I can't do that.

And I respect that he, I think he's saying the same.

I think I respect, I respect it too, being like, I look, I just don't want to do that.

It makes me feel weird.

Is it, is that you got blackballed?

Like every, every part they were like, and this is, and it's smooch and plus.

Quote.

Is it he finished all those roles and then said no more kissing?

And they were like, bye.

I don't remember.

I don't know his oeuvre well enough to know how much smoochin' he's done on screen.

I'm scrolling through my library of times I've seen his face and I don't see any where there's parted lips.

Also, I don't think of him as I think he's too, I guess maybe I'm misunderstanding the definition of a character actor because I think he's kind of too handsome to be a character actor.

To me, a character actor is someone who you look at and you're like, how'd he get famous?

You know what I mean?

But this guy right around.

He's not a character actor, and I could be wrong, but he's went to Harvard.

Where'd you go?

Just so we can, I can know who to appeal to.

New York University.

Also, really good.

Hey, thanks for that.

But in this situation, you're picking Harvard.

Yeah.

I thought a character actor was like a guy who plays a lot of like small or woman, a guy is gender neutral, who plays a lot of like little roles and big things that you've seen that like really help the plot, but they don't get a lot of credit.

Sure, sure, but you wouldn't say like, you know, there are, for example, on Sex in the City, there are sometimes an actor who's like the hot guy in this episode.

And you wouldn't be like, that's a character actor.

Oh, sure, sure.

But so, for instance, Paul Giamatti, killing

Hoffman, character actor.

So this is part of, I think,

Steve Buscemi, character actor.

So, so when I had Hank Kazaria on the show, I was calling him a character actor, not sure if that was pejorative.

I don't think it's necessary.

Some people might take offense.

But I guess for him, like, he was literally...

He's known for different characters and voices.

So I think for him, maybe it's different.

But the definition of it seems to be an actor known for playing unusual or eccentric or interesting characters in supporting roles rather than leading ones.

So it doesn't need to be like you're on screen for a second, but you're just not the main guy.

And you are apparently pretty weird.

Yeah, it's like a little bit of a weirdo.

Like this guy's playing like the

police chief.

Can hands.

Well, I guess, well, character actor is also kind of like a

backhanded way of saying like you're also not.

You're not the famous guy.

You're not the hottie.

You're not the big famous hottie.

The hot guy's not the character actor, normally.

Can hot guys be character actors?

Probably.

Let's think of one.

Love dear face.

I'm thinking, I'm looking at all the pictures.

I'm looking at my brain pictures.

It's very painful.

I'm looking at my hot guy repertoire.

Looking really hard.

Ooh.

I don't have anything.

I don't think I could do that.

But this seems to be.

I don't think I could do the smooch in either.

Just because,

I mean, I guess I would do it, but it would just seem so fast.

He said he would do it.

Sorry, those stresses.

He said he would do it.

He said he would do it.

He said he wants to kiss other people.

I would be so stressed out.

The idea of it is just very stressful.

So I don't think it'd be comfortable for whenever I've heard people talk about it they talk about how valuable having like a very comfortable scene partner is that it's like oh I depended on that person the entire time because they are do they do this all the time and for me I was very freaked out by it even that feels kind of something to me right where it's like that's why we have intimacy

I said that's why they have intimacy coordinators I guess but now it's become a cool thing to signal that like I didn't even need or want one I actually told them to take the day off and you're like they're they're I'll coordinate this you're not helping helping.

You're not helping.

But even when they are like, you know, oh, but I was so scared to do it.

But then I worked with Sarah and she made it so easy.

It's like, that's also kind of like, wait, it makes it sounds like, oh, we have a special, I'm in love with this woman.

It was actually quite easy because I'm in love with her.

Well, there's also just the larger context, and this is true of all workplaces, where like people who work together, especially in romantic settings, the performance of romantic, at least, they do actually end up dating.

Yeah.

Like the whole.

A showance.

A show mance.

Yeah.

The whole work wife premise.

I was just going to say, I've met a lot of

the people that I've dated at various jobs throughout my life.

So I, I, that also probably I'm realizing feeds into why I feel this way, where I'm like, if my job were to kiss you and they, everybody claps.

Like, it's like, of course, your brain, your brain would have to be so strong to not go like, so we're in love with this person, right?

This is

like, we're performing a relationship.

Now we're podcasting.

so I've am I a bad person that I'm like oh it would be tough anyway the whole point was I think it's almost I think you're almost virtue signaling oh no that's bad right pure I I wish I think what it is is I'm fascinated by people's ability to go oh well that's acting it doesn't matter and I'm like oh I wouldn't um be able to do that I just don't think I would be able to I understand that it's acting like I

understand that but it would still it would make me uncomfortable if my wife who was an actress was like I'm gonna be an actor again and the first role I'm i'm taking is smooch city i'm gonna be like well it would i wish you i wish you would take something else spin city spinoff if it's like is that why you got back into it so that you could go smooch i just feel like it would be like if the murder was real if the murder if you would go and to a movie set and when you were acting murder you actually murdered it's like that you actually kissed yeah right this is like tom cruise actually doing his own stunts this is this is so close to you being like i think shrek might be real yeah and why not has anyone considered fiona probably not.

But Shrek?

Certainly.

There's a donkey thing I workshopping over here.

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The work wife as a related concept,

which is a thing that is certainly like, speaking of just like things people are talking about this year, I feel like I've been inundated with like work wife viral.

It's like the cold play thing.

Yes.

Yeah.

You saw that, obviously.

Of course.

Yeah, I just didn't know.

Sometimes I don't know.

This one, I think, got to every single buddy

that exists.

But just the premise.

Kind of like Hawk Tua.

Yeah, good.

We're just going to be

churning out references.

Let's rank the

watched a guy watch that on his phone.

Speaking of smooch and plus, you know what I mean?

The work wife.

You got a work wife, Pablo?

Yeah, Rob.

I can see Rob being your work wife.

Rob's been whispering sweet nothings into my ear this whole podcast.

That's really sweet.

He sent me a photo of a guy named Robert.

Is it Richard Richard?

I don't know how to pronounce it.

He's doing this?

He has an apostrophe between the RI apostrophe and the chard.

And he looks like

that guy that we just talked about, Neil

McDonough.

We've named too many men.

I've lost them in my mind.

So check this out.

Neil McDonough.

Yeah.

Check this out.

Oh, my God.

It's a real Jay-Z Troy Aikman.

We got a Jay-Z Troy Aikman situation with Robert Rouchard.

Yeah.

I see it.

That's what Rob's whispering in my head.

Thanks, Rob.

We've had a side chat about this guy for a while.

And you guys work smooch, you said?

I mean, it just feels like emotionally fraught sometimes.

So he did kiss her, you're saying?

David Corinth, what?

No, Dan.

Oh, the singer.

Oh.

Oh.

So, so to be

super cool chick who's incredible at her job.

And great at singing.

Did I mention incredible singing?

Yeah, you did mention

how this came up.

I think she plays an instrument, too.

Wow, I bet.

Wow, I've been playing.

And my God, when you see her play the piano, you will be blown away.

I mean, my goodness.

So you were at the Emmys.

I was at the Emmys.

Did you win?

You You won an Emmy?

I did not win an Emmy.

I'm sorry.

Is that the mean?

If you had one, I would have felt bad if I didn't.

No, that's okay.

That's okay.

I did not win an Emmy.

I wasn't.

You didn't win a Peabody.

I did.

Peabody.

Peabody.

God damn it.

I won a Peabody.

We heard.

Anyway.

I've seen.

Yeah.

I've also seen.

Because we hang out without cameras.

We did that one time.

That one time.

That one time we did.

Never again, probably, but possibly.

No, yeah.

Even when we do hang out without the cameras, it's almost like this.

Yeah.

It's like, have you seen?

Pablo takes out his computer.

What were you saying?

I have no idea.

You were at the Emmys and you won, but didn't.

Well, I didn't win.

The show that I work for won.

That's winning.

That's winning.

That's winning.

Well, I don't get a statue.

The producers at Saturday get statues.

I don't get a statue.

But it was pretty fun.

It was cool.

That's sick.

Yeah.

So that's kind of.

And you were nominated for Severance?

Yeah, I was nominated for Smallest Role.

Tiniest little half of a little.

Least likely to be seen on an episode of a television from a season that was before this year.

okay yeah and they get they just that's new this year they just started giving that out last year's best tiny guy from the show i think uh-huh good this feels good best actor in a cable news reenactment yeah best actor on a tv show inside of a tv show i don't know hold on there were a lot yeah that probably goes to like wolf blitzer in something yeah right like sharknado somebody from

succession the other s show go what a great show yeah Were you in that?

I'll tell you what.

I was in that, but they cut me out.

A fun story about was.

Wait, you literally were in.

I literally was in it.

I heard this recently when Hamburger was there in your journey.

I told the story on the board.

You referenced it, but I was actually curious, like, what happened?

I think it was the pilot.

I was in one,

I had one line, and I think the line was like, hey, Captain, or something like that.

Nice, come on.

One of those.

It's one of those things where like, you know, on the day of, they're like, oh, shit.

They just wrote a new, who does anybody know that could do this?

I think it's, I think that's how I got that.

I get there, and the director gives me a very specific set of instructions.

He's like, I want you to, at this exact moment, when this thing is happening, that's when I want you to say this line to Jeremy Strong.

And then Jeremy Strong is like, hey, I get conflicting ideas from

Jeremy Strong.

Maybe it wasn't Jeremy Strong.

Anyway, I get two different

opposite directions.

So I absolute, I just.

So you're smooch.

Yeah, I'm totally in smooch city.

I kissed him.

So I kissed him.

I tried to kiss him.

I tried to plus.

I just felt so, I was so anxious about this one line.

And I said it, and you'll never see it anyway.

So it's not a line that's necessary.

What was the line?

He thinks it's a little bit of a show.

The line I'm pretty sure was, hey, Captain.

Hey, Captain.

Or hi, Captain.

It's got to be so scary when you sense that, like, or you're the captain.

I have to do this.

perfect or they're like gonna be mad at me.

Yes.

Like do it exactly like this.

And you're like, it's not, we're not feeling out the scene.

I'm here to do this if I don't do it right.

I'm effectively effectively a lamp.

If I screw him up, it's going to be a big problem.

That's exactly right.

And so it's, and it's also one of the first times that I was on a set where it's like, oh, this is like really real.

It's very real.

So just like, I'm stressed out.

I'm going complete opposite directions.

I'm trying to do it right.

I'm

almost impossible to do it like really badly, I think.

The other fun thing about doing it that early on is I don't, the other actors in the show didn't know that I was no one, I don't think.

So I'm like in holding with them, just like chilling with all them.

And everybody was super nice.

Cool cast.

That's kind of the end of that story.

That's really cool.

But I was in succession, even if you can imagine it, less than I was in severance.

It's very funny.

And I'll just also say, they don't

only cut stuff that was bad or that they didn't like.

They have to cut stuff for time.

You know what?

It might have been too good.

They might have thought, if we show this guy, we got to do a spin-off.

This is exactly what it is.

We're going to do a hey captain spin-off.

Exactly what, and he can't steal the show.

Yeah, coming this year to HBO Family.

Hey, Captain.

Hey, Captain.

The story of an intern at Waystar Royko.

That's where you started, but wait till you see.

He ends up a hobo.

Katie, what do you know about the thing where Dan smooched when it's either called It Had to Be You or It's Only You or There Was Always You.

It's something.

It's a movie or it's a.

It's a movie.

Do you know what the plot is?

No, I don't.

I don't.

And this isn't because I don't love him.

It's because I do.

It's because I love him so, so much.

Yeah.

You're about to find out what it's about.

And that's fine.

I can do the plot.

Just please don't actually show me them kissing.

Is it, it had to be you.

Pablo's trying to engineer a fight between you.

It had to be you.

Is that what it is?

That's what it's called.

That's okay.

Sonia,

a neurotic and charming jingle writer, dreams of having an exciting life.

I wonder if she sings and plays the piano in there, too.

Oh, my God.

It's Zoe De Chanel.

Rivet.

I bet.

The sudden marriage proposal from her boyfriend,

whether she joins the ranks of her married friends or pursue her fantasies.

Is he not even named?

Like as the character?

Is he the lead of the movie?

Sonia.

A 30-something young woman panics when live-in boyfriend Chris Jensen.

Is that him?

Dan Soder.

Okay, Chris Jensen.

Let's go.

Marriage.

Yeah.

Her refusal hurts him, and he walks out.

Sorry.

Been there, done that, said yes.

So Kristen Milaudi.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

I mean, now I feel like I'm going to watch this movie.

I think we should

probably just play it.

What?

No.

It's going to be a bad episode.

It's not possible.

Did you email about Google?

I'll kill you.

I'll kill you.

Google?

Oh, I hate it.

So her leg is strewn across.

Stop it, Pablo.

What the f?

They're on a couch.

They're just watching TV.

This is what I do every day.

She's playing me.

This is your cry.

This is your whole thing.

But you can sing too, probably.

No, I've heard you.

You can sing.

I was just kidding.

You're so great at what you do.

You should pursue this.

Maybe.

Oh, maybe.

Chris, you.

Why are you getting so worked up about this?

Because you're just, you're like this with everything.

It's like you're okay with everything just being okay.

Why shouldn't I be?

Because okay is like it's you know

that's like settling for a seven out of ten.

A seven is great.

A seven is it's that's barely passing.

If you get if you get below a 70 on a test, you fail.

You only live once and you should at least try to have everything in your life be a ten.

That's crazy.

That's not crazy.

Why is that?

I think 65, isn't it?

I think you're more than a ten.

You do?

Of course I do.

If they kiss, I swear to God,

shield your eyes.

I'll walk out, Pablo.

Shield your eyes.

I'll walk out.

We won't be friends anymore.

Pablo.

I don't know what's about to happen.

Oh.

Honestly, that was...

This is this to me is very sweet.

The level of actual legitimate anger.

I was about to throw this cap over Katie's eyes to preserve our friendship.

I didn't know what was about to happen in that video.

I didn't finish watching it.

The control room pressed like a big red button that turned that on.

Fade to black.

Like, they wouldn't do this to me.

They wouldn't do this to me.

You were about to do that to me.

Dan's so good.

Dan is dancing.

Dan's crazy.

I'm just saying.

He's a young brother.

He's such a baby.

He's a baby.

I don't think I've seen him do acting stuff.

I know that he does.

He's a billionaire.

That's what everybody knows him from, I thought.

I'm sorry.

Why you give him f ⁇ ing watching?

He's Jim Billions and Billions.

He's Mr.

Billions.

No, he's great.

He's the best.

That was a high.

But by the way, a couple of things.

Number one, stressful.

Blame, blame him.

Here's your wife cheating on you.

Roll it home.

Katie, I don't think you've learned anything from our conversation about the ins and outs of what Hollywood is like.

Real Neil McDonough energy.

Blame, blame my work husband for that.

I will.

I will.

I'm going to, I'm going to push for a work divorce.

I will also point out that knowing nothing about this film other than what I've been Googling quietly while you guys have been saying words, she does appear to be playing the role of Katie Nolan.

does she say yes do they get married did it have to be each other um she's i just the whole point of this was she's so good in the penguin did you watch it i did not watch have you seen it the penguin i can only watch it's okay if you haven't it's okay get to episode four

unreal and i don't know i'm not up on all of the lore of of batman and all of that and i still as a standalone show

i mean there's a lot of great acting in it she's unreal oh wow.

Okay.

I'm going to check it out.

And she won, and she gave the cutest little speech, and she sings, and she can, I should just, she can have them, right?

She's probably like married and happy.

It's not a

thing.

It's just, you know.

Do you want to see a scene where they're in bed together?

No, what?

Yes.

What has led you to think that yes is the ending?

I heard, I read that she has a secret husband who does stand up.

I wonder who it is.

We should look into it.

Pablo should find out.

I'm going to mark Cuban.

I'm just going to be.

And third of all,

if you'll see, he truly loved me the most.

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I'm going to admit to just having Googled Dan Soder's sex scene.

What the f?

After that whole speech about how it really is genuine, he's like, and I liked the painting.

I just actually kind of liked it.

I just need to know if it's out there.

Scared.

I actually was looking for a way to get out of this friendship.

So if I could just find damn

to knowing you.

How's your family who I now know?

And I feel genuinely interested in how they.

You brought your daughter to the Emmys.

My daughter came with the Emmys.

She looked great.

Did she had a really good time?

She appreciated it.

She had a great time.

I think she did.

She met a lot of people that I work with.

And after pretty much every person that she met, she was like, oh, I think that's my favorite one now oh because i work with a lot of delightful people i love that um and yeah she kind of had a really great time and also the people at my work are very

they're very willing to center a child so they really like make her feel like a superstar yeah no you you were clean to her

Oh, she's a cool kid.

I'd center her.

She had a great time.

She recently got braces.

That's something that's going on in our house.

Did you guys have braces?

Yeah.

I had a tough time in my life, too.

I was not looking my best.

Yeah.

I was going through a tough.

We're going to want a picture.

We're going to need a picture of her.

Let's find that.

There were, I've reached a point now where I can look at them and not.

There was a point in my life where I was like, don't ever show me me in middle school.

I was miserable.

I was so sad.

Did you have the haircut?

Yeah, I was actually kind of at, but at one point I was growing out the haircut, which I had already prepared for was going to be a tough.

That's why I was like, let me get this out of the way in middle school before I get to high school.

But it's, it was a tough transitional period of haircut where it just, I had a shaggy, long

flat and

I had these big braces and I was just,

but now I look at that and I see it's the same.

I'm in there, you know, it's me.

I just was, people weren't very nice to me about what I looked like.

Were there nicknames?

Yeah.

I'm sure

what's going on today

is the goal to get me to be upset.

I also, I had braces and it did not happen at a good, things are already going so badly for me.

And then I got braces, but I thought,

I thought I would be fine with the braces.

No one will even know that I have them because I'm getting clear braces.

And just to be crystal clear on what that means, it's not Invisalign.

Not crystal clear at all.

It's braces that are like, you know, vaguely translucent.

Not to be there.

It's the Shaquille O'Neal hiding behind a tree of braces.

It looks like your teeth also have teeth.

It's not cute in any way.

So

I had acne that was absolutely f ⁇ ing crushing the game.

Did you get on acne game?

No, I did not.

Good, that's good.

And I had braces and I had straight up bubonic eczema.

I mean, I had eczema just

all over the place.

So I was kind of, I was.

You were going through it.

I was really going through it.

You were molting.

Yes.

You were molting.

You were becoming the beautiful butterfly you are today.

Once those braces came off and the acne went away and the eczema was still there.

I was a kid.

I was going to say, you remained DuPixon, baby.

I get it.

I call it Skyrizzy every time.

No, it's DuPixon.

Give me that sponsorship.

Whoever you are, Dr.

Dew, give it to me.

You wouldn't do a pharmaceutical sponsorship.

For DuPixon?

I absolutely would.

Well, because you do use it.

Yeah, yeah, maybe.

But I would absolutely do it.

I would shoot DuPixon into it.

I would come in here like pinhead.

You know that pinhead from Hill Razor?

Yeah.

With the DuPixons.

I love that.

I love it.

Wait,

I want to.

Can you table the Serena Williams-Rowe conversation?

Serena Williams-Rowe.

Oh, because she's because she's doing the Ozempic.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

She's doing We Go V.

R.O.

is the

DLP one of Romania.

No, Roe is the company that she gets it through.

It's like you can also use Roe.

I believe it used to be called Roman, but then they started appealing to women as well.

They dropped man and it just became Roe.

Hims is a thing.

Yes, and you can get.

I'm glad we don't have them as a sponsor in this episode.

We got when he he said HIMS.

It's like you allows you to connect with a doctor and they'll give you a prescription without ever having to.

It's like that kind of telemedicine that became a thing during COVID from necessity, born from necessity.

Yes.

And now I think they're like trying to figure out how to regulate it or whatever.

She did ads for Row.

Her husband sits on the board.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And

in the ads for Row, she's just pushing the.

actual product, which made me go like, that's interesting, because it's not, she's not being paid by the pharmaceutical company to push the product.

She's being paid by the company that gives it to you.

But yet the headlines were all like Serena Williams confesses that she too uses GLP ones.

And it just seemed like such a very complex layered story that you love those.

So I wanted to drop that in your lap.

Pablo should find out about that.

Because that was tough.

I mean, seeing an athlete, nobody, everybody's got body stuff.

Body stuff is hard to talk about.

It's hard to

say.

I didn't mean to laugh right away.

Everybody has body stuff.

And we're, it's like, every, I hate talking about it because I don't like the thought of making somebody at home feel any type of way about their own body.

But that was weird to me because she is the paragon of female athleticism.

And

she said that even she need, she just needed to use it to get the last, the last 15 off.

And I don't know.

I looked into the medicine of the stuff.

It's actually very interesting.

They're, they're like currently trying the medicine that was originally used as as like a diabetes medicine.

And then they approved it for weight loss, and now it's being approved for a lot of other uses.

They're actually looking into using it to treat addiction because of its ability to target whatever it is that's causing that.

And so in that way, I'm like, this medicine really might be like game-changing, life-changing, like can help people that really need it in all types of ways.

I just don't know why the thought of the woman that speaking about it being Serena Williams makes me go like, well, that she isn't one of the

own bodies.

This is interesting.

I mean, because really what you're describing is your reaction not to her decision, but to the presumed pressure that she must have felt to want to make that decision.

Yes.

And also the pressure that might somebody else might feel once to her, she's saying that she wants to destigmatize it by coming out and saying like, even I needed it.

But in the articles about this, since it's not on behalf of that company, it's on behalf of Roe, they're using language that suggests shame.

So they're saying, like, Serena Williams comes clean about using GLP1s.

And in the article, she's saying that she wants to destigmatize it.

We're saying Serena Williams goes public.

We're saying Serena Williams opens up.

Admits, opens up.

And these are all things.

Finally opens up.

Reveals.

All things that suggest there should be shame involved while she's saying she's trying to remove shame.

Green Williams shocked fans with her new slim selfie.

But I do think there is shame.

Like people, everyone in Hollywood is like, oh, the 400 pounds I lost.

I mean, I've just been walking a lot.

It's like, no, you haven't.

We know that you've been on these drugs.

So there is actual shame around using it.

Everyone's pretending they're not using it.

But when suddenly everyone lost 20 pounds at the exact same time, you are like, huh, this diet is either incredible or you're all on these drugs.

And they all are.

And to me,

i'm not saying that i'm not arguing against anything you've said no put them up absolutely absolutely absolutely glp it away bro dump fist up no put your dukes up please i think you should do do it we wagovi the other one um ozembic

there's a bunch pix in it do pixen do pixen doesn't do this particular thing i'm saying i agree with you i think anyone should do anything that they want that is also my house position right i think what my issue is is that i understand the mentality of her doing it from her standpoint but i'm watching watching it in execution and it's not destigmatizing.

It's actually reinforcing the shame that's associated with it by saying that she's coming clean about it.

And if she's not destigmatizing it,

then what she is doing is,

I don't know, it's, it's scary to me.

I think of being a little girl who

everybody goes through a time where they're like learning their body and how their body carries weight and how their body handles exercise and responds to certain whatever it is.

And they're going, serena williams needs it i need it i'm gonna get on it right away

when really that person might not have needed it maybe that person just needed to and then because then i think now that's a lifetime with a pharmaceutical company and that to me goes gets really risky like pushing that on i don't know people look up to serena william so it's very complex and again i want to be clear like i don't if you use it i don't judge or anything anyway

this very unforgivingly and so you will get in trouble you know what i'm saying outside of that

totally nuanced discussion but it is interesting like her her her truly profiting off of this as a spokesperson for the broker of glp ones i think that does change the premise it's not simply she believes in a product and has said that she uses it it's the act of selling and promoting via some membrane of separation between the actual product the drug and how does that sound to you what does that do in your brain because you were just talking about how you would gladly do a dupixent you would be paid by dupixent because you use dupixent So I'm wondering.

I would drink a bucket of Wagovi.

What I have heard is that I have heard that

it can give you

a beer snake.

Do you know those hats that you have with the upside down things and the straws going into your mouth?

You could load that.

You could do a Wagovi in this one and an Ozempic in that one.

And I would slurp that.

I guess to me,

I don't have any, I'm distrustful of pharmaceuticals companies and their motives all the time.

I, that's maybe a dangerous thing to say.

I don't know of anyone who's been on these things that has suffered like long-term side effects, but that could just be like a yet.

Well,

exactly.

But you could be on Wagovi or Ozempic and die from a disease that no one's even heard of yet because it's a, because it's a Wagovi side effect that we haven't tracked.

But I know people who have taken it and

had incredibly bad gastro issues in the, in the like, you know, whatever, the maintenance phase or or whatever gotten like diarrhea for real you know I'm saying that's what he says on the box diarrhea for real in italics yeah may cause diarrhea and then a little astro

for real

FRFR is the sound the diarrhea makes

so I'm not what I'm saying is I have no judgment for people who take it which I don't think you're saying either no no and if by the way it does seem to be as drugs that have been debuted in a dystopian era as those go, this seems to be wildly effective based on early returns.

Yeah.

With all of the caveats that we're all pointing at of like, who knows what unintended consequences, both sociologically and pharmaceutically.

And another thing that will happen, if that's already happening, is you will, some people can afford this, some people can't.

So in many ways, how like, you know, just general health is a marker of your economic status, like this, it'll be clear once everybody's on this, like who, there's going to be a right, a very visible line between who can afford it and who can't.

Yes.

All of this,

you slurping GLP1s.

Hashtag me slurp.

Hashtag me slurp.

Um, reminds me of

that.

Well, there's there's one other way out of it.

There's one other way I want to think about it, and it's the video I want to show, Katie.

No, god damn it.

God finger.

I jokingly pointed at the teeth.

No, but this is your fault.

I jokingly.

No, because he also did the kiss.

I said I would be willing to do this so as not to see the fing hair.

I understand.

Can't you not show this?

You know what?

I've pivoted.

I love this clip.

Keep showing me this clip.

Show me the prep when he puts the c in his mouth.

I want to see it right now.

Edit us.

Come on.

Edit me into this clip is what I want.

Make it me who's doing it.

Make it f me who's doing this.

I actually would love that.

I think you shouldn't say that.

I don't think I love the way he rubs his face in it, okay?

I'm loving this.

Oh, good.

Run it back from the beginning.

I have tried to be on board with this bit, and I can't do it.

I can't be here for it.

How long does it do this for?

What did he win?

Unless they just cleaned that tub, you are, you've got old hair in your mouth.

I don't think we watched this much of it before.

I don't think we did either.

I think I got them to turn it off.

Yeah, yeah.

This is unbelievable.

We've rarely gotten this deep into the clip.

This is unbelievable.

Has either of you seen this movie?

Has either of you?

Has either of you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I just realized?

He kind of looks like Walker Bueller.

You know Walker Bueller, the pitcher?

I do.

I didn't, I had no idea.

Los Angeles Dodger, Walker Bueller.

No, he was.

And then he was on the Red Sox.

And now I think he's on the Phillies.

Philadelphia Phillies pitcher, Walker Bueller, kind of looks like it.

He came up on baseball TBH.

Well, it's back.

It's back in a big way.

You know, I love Shohei Ochani.

That's that's he just 50-50.

Yeah.

Well, a new 50-50.

Yeah, 50-50.

Thank you for reminding people we're a sports podcast.

Sports, sports budget.

These are sports.

They happen.

Watch.

Hashtag me slurp.

Well, they might not happen i feel like you're ending the nba can i be honest i feel like we're not gonna have an nba anymore over i feel like it's just done our investigation continues i know and i'm like kind of half understanding it can we can we uh end with a palate cleanser what does no because oh that's before it got bad you guys that's when she was still just the come on look at look at look at this look at the hair

young katie nolan this is before this is before that's in second grade that was the day i got that was probably like one of the first days i had that haircut that was the first day my mom mom was like, This is what we're going to do with you.

You're wearing a necklace.

Over a dark green, forest green turtleneck.

That's Framingham.

Where are you from?

Framingham, Massachusetts.

Look at that.

Look at that hair.

The bangs, the machio-esque.

Yeah.

It is Yarmir Yager.

Imagine a second grader walking into the salon being like, I want what he has.

And it's a picture of

young Katie Yarmir Yager Nolan.

I want the Mario Lemieux, please.

If I could tell her what?

That

everything that came out of your mouth in the last five minutes would come out of that mouth as an adult.

I don't know.

What?

Yeah, that was gross.

We're going to probably.

I'll just end the episode.

I'm talking to a kid, Pablo.

What the f?

This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Metalark Media Production.

And I'll talk to you next time.

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