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And very disturbing. The ambassador from.

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Speaker 1 Should we talk about gooning? Why not? Baby, let's goon.

Speaker 1 Oh, hey.

Speaker 2 I assumed that's what you were doing. Yes.

Speaker 2 I assume we're here to talk about that big gooning Bible that was published, the other, the big piece that had everybody talking about the gooning.

Speaker 1 The greatest contribution to the Western canon in the history of gooning literature. Great and disturbing reporting.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. It's just like when you watch National Geographic and you just find out about a world that completely exists and you knew nothing about it.

Speaker 2 No, I didn't even know they made horses like that. You know, it's like, I didn't even know that was happening.

Speaker 1 The toilets flush backwards? Yeah, yeah. It's that kind of thing.
But now it's just like, hey, do you know everything about masturbation?

Speaker 1 Turn it on his head and throw it out because we're doing something different here. I want to describe and define it.
I think you should. I think you should.

Speaker 2 You should do a lot of the unpacking.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, just to take us back in time.
goon as a premise, as a word, meant something very different, I would say.

Speaker 2 In fact, there's a whole hockey movie named it that now. I feel like you'd be like, I'm embarrassed my movie's named Jerking Off.

Speaker 1 So I should say that gooning, if we're going to cut to the chase of it, it is not merely like this dystopian form of, I would say, pandemic-inspired isolationism that also has like this strange community that's now truly built around it, subterranean almost like culture around communal masturbating.

Speaker 1 There is that, but it seems like the core of it is this knowledge that if your friends and colleagues knew that you were up to this, they would be horrified.

Speaker 1 Interesting. Like Goon World, as it has been described in this, and I gotta say this, this is in Harper's Magazine.

Speaker 2 Yes. Gooniverse, I feel like, was right.
That was right there.

Speaker 1 There. Yeah.
Goon World also sounds like the worst amusement park.

Speaker 1 Welcome to Goon World. You're not getting a lot of

Speaker 1 souvenirs here. Watch out.

Speaker 2 Don't sit there.

Speaker 1 The wave pool is different.

Speaker 1 There is a term called the Goon State.

Speaker 1 And the Gooner goons to reach the Goon State.

Speaker 2 I highlighted this. This is where I basically stopped reading.
The Goon World State.

Speaker 1 Because I said

Speaker 2 the act itself resembles edging, repeatedly bringing oneself to the point of climax without actually climaxing. But gooning is more goal-oriented and more communal.

Speaker 2 The goon are goons to reach the goon state, a supposed zone of total ego death or bliss that some liken to advanced meditation, the attainment of which compels them to masturbate for hours or even days at a time.

Speaker 1 The goon or goons to meet the goons. It's like a kid cutting song right there.

Speaker 1 Day and night. Like indeed.
Truly. Wow.
Truly day and night. And it's like, I guess the gooner state is like a runner's high, they said.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like a runner's high. It's like meditation.
It's like a flow state without the flow, I guess.

Speaker 1 And what the article suggests is that most gooners do not actually successfully get to, you know,

Speaker 1 get eight to 12 hours at a time to masturbate regularly. They do that apparently a few times a month, the rest of the time masturbating for an average of two or three hours a day.
Wow.

Speaker 1 So set a a little party full for that.

Speaker 1 That's a long time.

Speaker 2 That is.

Speaker 1 That's now.

Speaker 2 We also have to establish

Speaker 2 as a woman chiming in on this,

Speaker 2 that where men and women, I think, differ in this world, in this universe.

Speaker 1 There are no women in the goon.

Speaker 2 Sure. And that's, oh, here I am being shocked.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 2 Wow. Women can

Speaker 1 finish.

Speaker 2 And keep going. Whereas I imagine if you want to go for a long time as a man, you have to not,

Speaker 2 because you can't go and then keep going and going and going a bunch the way that a woman, maybe I should be saying some women, I don't know,

Speaker 2 could of like, it doesn't, it's not like once you've, uh, once it's, once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there's no more toothpaste.

Speaker 2 A woman could do it for hours at a time just for the fun of it, having a bunch of them throughout.

Speaker 1 Right. No, this is, you got to do like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 You got to do like the movie speed. It's almost crazier to do it.

Speaker 1 You're going to get right there.

Speaker 2 it's crazy to me to do it for hours and not ever get to

Speaker 1 do it that doesn't sound i mean from a male standpoint that does not sound fun or pleasurable but i believe that used to be called blue balls but now that's what you want to achieve blue ball nirvana there is a survey uh of gooners that is at the core of this responsive that's important yes they showing up to the polls harper's magazine exit polls

Speaker 1 are terrifying i love how question number six was like to show you're paying attention just say pink right here.

Speaker 1 The survey respondents, about 100 of them, told Harbor's magazine about the goon state, quote, it's like being high while high. Intense bliss, pure happiness, and love.
It's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 It's sublime, like being washed away. It's like I'm in anti-gravity or covered in liquid, tingles all over me, brain fuzzy, skin tingling all over.

Speaker 1 No fears about coming because this was the real pleasure I was after. And I couldn't come at that point if I wanted to anyway.
What?

Speaker 2 Of course you want to. Who's ever like, I don't want to come?

Speaker 1 I don't think. This is too good to come.

Speaker 2 I don't want to come. What do you mean? That's supposed to be the.

Speaker 1 Oh, geez, baby. Too hot for me to come.
Like, is that?

Speaker 2 I just want to climb the mountain? I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 No need to check out the viewer now. You're so close.

Speaker 2 Just get to the top of it. Take a peek.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they disagree.

Speaker 2 How does this relate to what Sting was doing in like the

Speaker 1 tantric sex?

Speaker 2 Where does this end that interact?

Speaker 1 It's tantric sex, because when I worked at the library on slow days, you could just read any boring book. So I read a book about tantric sex.
And it basically was like,

Speaker 1 you don't want to come because coming is so selfish. What you want to do is keep transferring energy.
And it said, think about when a wave hits an ocean, it hits the sand.

Speaker 1 It's like that. You come with the energy and you take the energy back.
And you keep coming with the energy and you take it back.

Speaker 1 And it was talking about how to do that for like 12 hours with your partners.

Speaker 2 You absolutely tried with whoever you were with at that time.

Speaker 1 You went home and you were like, here we go. Let me ask some girl in the Bronx about tantric sex.

Speaker 2 You were like, come on, we're going to get it.

Speaker 1 I'll be on several lists.

Speaker 2 It's going to be like an ocean in sand. Just stay with me.
We're going to give it a.

Speaker 2 We're going to be flowing back in front of you.

Speaker 1 I am not Eric Adams, who I know has had tantric sex. Oh, boy.
How do we know that? How do we not know that, Pablo? He probably had a shorty and far rock away that he used to have tantric sex with.

Speaker 1 Rest in peace, there'll never be another. He's not dead, but I am.
I am. You know what? I am going to miss that guy.
I don't know. Like,

Speaker 1 he was like the piece of ginger on the plate, just a palate cleanser. You know, who's who's he, like, all the whole mayor thing, like all the laws and regulations.
Come on.

Speaker 1 You want to have a little fun with it?

Speaker 2 Let's be silly.

Speaker 1 Like, let's do a little fraud, but not too much. Let's do a little bit of a little bit.

Speaker 2 Let's do a little cute amount of fraud. Let's be silly.
Silly mayor fraud.

Speaker 1 So I should say, the author, in a separate interview, which I did read because he clarified some of this. The kinds of porn the gooners are making, that is different.

Speaker 1 So what the gooners are doing is they're not actually making it, by the way, they're not like filming porn themselves, obviously.

Speaker 1 What they're doing is remixing existing pornography into what they call porn porn music videos. Yes.
I thought the genre was dead. No, no, they keep it going.
Why? Absolutely.

Speaker 2 M stands for masturbating TV.

Speaker 1 PMV, they may contain hundreds of separate clips. And in a lot of these videos, apparently, there's a voice that addresses the viewer directly, calling them porn addicts, pathetic gooners, and so on.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is deeply layered.

Speaker 1 And so I think the key thing here, as it is like, layered, and this is a quote, what it seems like to me is porn fully and finally detached from any real world extra pornographic referent this is porn for people whose primary frame of reference for sex is online porn this is just like the essence of sex or the notion of sex but this is not sexual or what we know sex to be or even what we know masturbation to be it's just like hey this is what would make you ejaculate but i have no desire to ejaculate my fear with all of this content is that like a i don't want to make anybody who's lonely and masturbates to get through life feel bad bad about themselves.

Speaker 2 Stuff's bleak, okay? Feel good how you can. At the same time, being a girl in a video like this that could be watched by a certain community always not great.
That's why I draft super.

Speaker 1 Here you go.

Speaker 2 I look like your little brother today on purpose. And

Speaker 1 you know what? There's probably still some gooners out there. It's probably definitely their specific thing.

Speaker 2 So I don't want us to sound out of touch. I guess my goal for taking away from this, I want to know if we should be gooning more.

Speaker 1 Well, that's that's not my takeaway from this article. I will

Speaker 1 forewarn you in case you want to co-sign the things I'm describing here. The median age of the sexually active goon.

Speaker 7 Who let's guess?

Speaker 1 It's enough to earn the big screens and the servers and the discord accounts. It's how much is it? We're talking like 30 to 40? 27.
27. Okay.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Excuse me.
That's the median age of the sexually active gooner is 27. There are some sexually active gooners.
They're 27.

Speaker 1 The median age of the non-sexually active gooner, according to this survey, 23.

Speaker 1 And so the reason that this observation is made in the piece is that this also does track with like when lockdowns happened. That's true.
And so you had people who like came of age

Speaker 1 such that they came in a cage.

Speaker 1 They didn't come, Pablo. You're not paying attention.
Excuse me. That they did not come in their cage.
That's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's the bleak part, I would say, among several bleak parts.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the porn music video culture, PMVs, yeah, described as, to your point, like, yeah, free basing pornography. It's just too much, too fast.

Speaker 2 So it's a bunch of porns together to music?

Speaker 1 In fact, they're edited to like music, like techno beats, in fact. Or like they'll take the actual music video and then you'll inter-splice porn scenes into the music video.

Speaker 1 So you'll be watching it and it seems like a regular view. And then the next scene will be like hardcore porn and then just more stuff going on.

Speaker 1 And interestingly, sometimes those get taken down because of the DMCA, because the algorithm will track it not because it's porn, but just because you didn't have the right to use the copyrighted music.

Speaker 1 Yes, Daru did not intend for Sandstorm to be used this way. Like, but if they would just open their minds, they could see that it's really if they would see the wave lapping upon their sand,

Speaker 1 yeah, fair use, as it were. Noodle Dude, okay,

Speaker 1 the homie, right there, of course. Noodle Dude is the 28-year-old Dutch web designer who is like apparently the greatest greatest of all of the clip editor, designer, soundtrack adder guys.

Speaker 1 He is the person who has thrice yearly video drops that are quote received with Swifty-like enthusiasm among the terminal porn addict cognicenti.

Speaker 2 How mad do you think she'd be if she knew that they called it swifty-like in this article?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 But I get it immediately paints a picture. I know exactly what they mean.

Speaker 1 Is he doing multiple edits of like the releases? Like he's like, yo, catch this one a cappella. This one's like the bass drop.
So what he's known for is

Speaker 1 the sucking and/or thrusting in each clip, sinking to the beat. I mean,

Speaker 1 small things. Artist.
Listen.

Speaker 2 If you can hit a rhythm like that, and then you're all kind of, your waves are all lapping the shore at the same time.

Speaker 1 It's like Quest Love being in the pocket.

Speaker 2 It's exactly, exactly like that.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
There are also gatherings. I mean, the community part is where, like, I've always, let's do this.

Speaker 2 As, okay, boys, when they discovered porn in our generation right like it was a mostly physical copy i mean there were like you guys could download porn and stuff i don't know that we're all exactly the same age no but it took a i mean jpegs were like i was always confused by communal porn experiences when guys would be like come on over we've got a magazine or a movie and we're gonna i was always confused as a as a young girl on the outside going like so are you all watching it and jerking off together no sometimes you just watch it like whoa this is wild

Speaker 1 and it's like yo you can't believe you got this and then you're like whoa that's crazy they got three holes down there and that's not the case

Speaker 1 that kind of thing so you know i mean i look for me i i am uh all boys catholic school which means that either you're doing that weird all over the time

Speaker 1 going on over there all over the time

Speaker 1 to be clear yeah or uh also uh so repressed that that is also an alien experience yeah you get to choose roles do you want to be pinged for tournaments?

Speaker 1 Are you a hentai wank battler or merely a regular wank battler?

Speaker 2 What is a tournament? A goon tournament?

Speaker 1 Is it round robin? Suduco.

Speaker 2 Is there a seed, like a seeding? Well, I guess there's plenty of seeds.

Speaker 1 Is there like round robin? Oh, great.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. It's a good one.
Really good.

Speaker 2 Is this what the whole thing's going to be? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We just could do that. More or less.
The whole time. More or less.

Speaker 2 What is the drive to do it competitively?

Speaker 1 Is it competitively? I think your mileage can vary on this. It is, though, something where you can both exchange and trade and compete at the art of, I guess, pornography collection and distribution.

Speaker 1 As in, like, okay.

Speaker 2 Oh, I just was pausing at the distribution. I don't, I don't, I was like relatable, relatable, unrelatable.
I don't find myself dealing pornography.

Speaker 2 I mean, the connotation makes me think of bad bad things.

Speaker 1 There's a term here

Speaker 1 for just like,

Speaker 1 hold on. There's a

Speaker 1 goon cave. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 They're the goon caves. And I suppose the goon caves,

Speaker 1 and this was staggering for the reporter to see and for me to imagine. I didn't,

Speaker 1 what I won't do.

Speaker 2 Is go into the community yourself?

Speaker 1 Is look up what the goon caves look like. Right.
Right. But of course, some of them have like walls apparently stained with like, you know, ejaculate and stuff.

Speaker 2 So oh my things of that.

Speaker 1 Ejaculate.

Speaker 1 No, it's not. There's a lot of monitors as well, right? Yes.
So it is sort of exactly what you think it is.

Speaker 1 Azillion monitors, endless infinite scroll of

Speaker 1 like dissociative pornography about pornography.

Speaker 2 Communal experience of porn and masturbation is something I think generations behind us are more open to and comfortable with than not saying that all can't be.

Speaker 2 It's just to us, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 I think even mentioned in the article is that, like, when they're describing these goon caves that they built for themselves, you would think they would be mortified by like, I hope nobody ever finds out I built this room specifically for porn, but instead they're actually very proud of it and they show it off online.

Speaker 2 And like, that to our generation is like,

Speaker 2 which I think is

Speaker 1 good,

Speaker 2 is a step in a direction of like de

Speaker 2 stigmatizing sex and our relationships with our bodies.

Speaker 1 I think there is the possibility of that, but that possibility has been truly, I think, overwhelmed by the infinite nature of all.

Speaker 1 So feeding is the term for when one gooner sustains another's session by sending them curated porn from their private collection. It's meant also to be referred to as goon fuel.

Speaker 1 You know, these are short clips. Sometimes they're gifts,

Speaker 1 goon caps.

Speaker 2 It's an assist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. Got to look out for the homie.
It's like when you play a Call of Duty and someone goes down, you know, got to revive the HVC.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it.

Speaker 1 Keep fighting. Keep gooning.
That kind of thing.

Speaker 2 Sending you, knowing that you're maintaining some sort of a state and going, this will keep you there.

Speaker 1 Keep going, my friend.

Speaker 2 It's like a BART sliding it across the.

Speaker 1 It's similar to the New York Marathon. This afternoon.
That's right. People run in by, they got this.
Keep going in. John, come on.
You're almost there, but not there.

Speaker 2 A pornographic orange slice.

Speaker 1 That's right. Instead of white cups of water, it's just goon caps.

Speaker 1 And it's so weird because if you remember back in the day in porn, they would have that button you were terrified to every point, the share with your friends. And you're like,

Speaker 1 excuse you? What?

Speaker 1 It's like, in what world? They're like, hey, attach this to your Facebook account and we'll send this to everyone you know, increasingly Graham Graham. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 But now, apparently, it's like, I guess it's bad if you don't share something with your friends.

Speaker 1 So I do want to acknowledge something that I've done a bad job in introducing to the framework of our conversation, which is that Deez has a professional experience in this industry. Yes.
Wait, what?

Speaker 1 I've had every job in the world come up.

Speaker 2 I know that. And maybe I do know this.

Speaker 1 Yes. I used to work in the porn industry.
I used to be in charge of the back end of server administration.

Speaker 2 Sorry. I'm so sorry.
Sorry. You're right.

Speaker 1 Are we going to be adults? No.

Speaker 1 The back end and server-side encryption for processing of credit cards for CC bill. So I used to work with all the porn and all that stuff and like terabytes of porn.

Speaker 1 And even then I was like, wow, this is a lot of porn. This is, but now, like you just said, there's way too much porn.

Speaker 1 Like you'll open Twitter and it's just like porn where I know as a teenager I would have had to kill to even get a peek at is at the point where even I'm like, damn, let me mute this.

Speaker 2 I'm also like, don't make me have to scroll past it. I'm a human.
Yes. If everyone's going, this is crazy.
I'm going to go, what's crazy?

Speaker 2 And then I'm going to go and I'm going to look and see like, oh, wow, that guard at the prison is having sex with all those inmates. And then I'm watching it and going, what am I doing?

Speaker 1 I was coming here to do something else. What am I?

Speaker 2 I'm watching full penetration on my timeline. And then, you know, because you clicked on it, it's going to keep being.
And you're like, I can't be every day.

Speaker 2 I can't imagine being, I mean, I'm getting up there in age, so I'm less sexually, I don't care as much anymore.

Speaker 2 But if I were younger and needing to focus and constantly being confronted by porn, I'd be like, I can't get anything done. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like yesterday I'm on the train. I'm trying to see the results of the election.
Just the biggest booty. just gaping, just seeing, just seeing the rubber balloon knot.

Speaker 1 And you know, like, I scroll up because I don't think anything of it because I know my feet, and I know every now and then it gets nasty. Right.
And I look to the right of me.

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 And this Mexican grandma, she just looks at me like, I'm going to pray for you. Oh, no.
She's just like, you're out here just raw dogging, big booty butt cheeks on the A-train.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, Mondoni's New York, mom.

Speaker 2 Get used to it, babe.

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Speaker 1 Twitter is established in the story too as like the place where you do just encounter uncut hardcore pornography. Yes.
Like TikTok, there's of course like all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 I don't think I've ever bumped into any TikTok porn. I have bumped into stuff that I'm like, this is something for someone.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not for me.

Speaker 1 TikTok, they're all like trying to lure you into like clicking in the page that gets to you to the person's like OnlyFans or whatever. Some of the stuff.

Speaker 2 Or they'll do a lot of like this life hack. And they're doing something that you're like, what could this have to do with anything? And you watch for 15 whole minutes and it turns out nothing.

Speaker 2 They needed you to stay for 15 whole minutes and they wanted to keep making it look like the thing they were doing was going to be worth something. That's some type of edging.

Speaker 2 I don't know what the edging is.

Speaker 1 tick tock has like porn that's like tricky porn the one thing they had i remember i don't know why the algorithm was showing this to me i was like come on this is basic stuff they kept showing this lady and she would get in the car and clap her thighs together every day and guys were like oh my god this but she did she wasn't presenting it as pornographic she just happened to be doing that She just happened to be doing that.

Speaker 1 Nothing else on her account, just clapping her thighs together. Now I'm insulted because I'm like,

Speaker 1 what do you think? I'm a level eight

Speaker 1 cardboard box with a stick holding it up. I'm like, come on, I'm beating my meat to some of the nastiest stuff alive.
Come on. There's a bunch of leaves over a hole in the forest.

Speaker 1 But they other have another one they have is where a woman will drop her phone and then pick it up. Oh, yeah.
And unfortunately, she's got the weird

Speaker 2 pants. I'm getting none of this content.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, me neither. It's good stuff.
You know what it is? If your heart is pure, that's what we've knows.

Speaker 2 Isn't it funny that, you know, when porn, online porn first started becoming what it is, I was like, well, the younger generations, if you can get whatever, if you could just type in Peter Griffin Lois Griffin sex and see it, at what point are you going to just go like, none of this is doing it for me?

Speaker 2 And I thought that was going to get everything like crazier.

Speaker 2 And what's funny is that it also feels like it's made people go like, oh, I get off when this lady gets into her car and her thighs slap together. Because like porn is easy to find.

Speaker 2 It's really hard to find a lady who's just going to slap her thighs together for me.

Speaker 1 And now people are just, I think, as you're saying, and the internet is just connecting other people. Yeah.
So, like, maybe like 20 years ago, you were like, yo, I'm a sickle.

Speaker 1 I love when the thighs touch. Now, you go to Discord, and you go slides touchgooning.com.
And there you go, you and your other thighs-slapping brothers.

Speaker 2 Feet people were the first, they were the canary in the coal mine. They were because they were loud online.
And I remember being like, Whoa, this is a niche community.

Speaker 2 You guys are very confident and comfortable.

Speaker 1 Very confident.

Speaker 2 It's wrong of me, but my first experience of being on sports TV and the amount of like sexual foot stuff that was sent to me from real names on their real accounts.

Speaker 2 And I remember being like, you guys are out here.

Speaker 2 And then I learned that it's because, I mean, they were probably the most underrepresented in terms of like anyone trying to meet their needs.

Speaker 2 And when the internet happened, they were like, these people don't even realize they're posting porn for us when they post their feet.

Speaker 2 So they probably made, built a community around it, a strong community.

Speaker 2 And they were. confident and I went that should have been how we knew like it people will find people who are into the thing they're into and it will make them feel

Speaker 1 like you'll have like a friend on Instagram and say they go to the beach and they just accidentally post their feet. And they're just like, hey, I'm just posting feet.

Speaker 1 And you're like, posting feet for free? Or you're like, girl, take this down. Blur that.
Pixelate that. Are you familiar with your Wiki feed page?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a five. I think it's dropped.

Speaker 1 You're a 4.97 now. Is it out of 10? Out of 5.
Out of 5?

Speaker 2 How fucking dare you?

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 2 How fucking dare? No,

Speaker 2 there's also a picture on there that isn't my feet that I've been trying to get taken down.

Speaker 1 I was going to say there are 65 photos here, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and several videos. Yeah, which one isn't your feet?

Speaker 2 Uh, it's early, it was uh, how recent is the latest one? Uh, which one's the latest? Is it at the top? That's old, that's way, way, way old.

Speaker 1 That's oh, there's a there's a comment section.

Speaker 2 Oh, what are they saying?

Speaker 1 Okay, 11-5,

Speaker 1 this is today. Wow, what the

Speaker 1 okay, here we go. Love, okay, L-U-V-W-M-S feet, love women's feet, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Gorgeous toes. I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 The second toe is shorter than the first toe. I know that's a comment.
Sometimes people have their second toe is longer and people are really into that and it shows intelligence. Not me.

Speaker 2 My toes go in like a, like a, like service bars.

Speaker 1 I'll be honest with you, I know nothing about feet. I find them disgusting.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 I don't want them around.

Speaker 2 I don't want them.

Speaker 1 Someone who disagrees is the next commenter, toe-tied. Yeah.
Who says, she is smoking hot, needs some pics of her souls with toes pointed. Dot, dot, dot.

Speaker 1 I bet she has fantastic soul dimples.

Speaker 2 What is that?

Speaker 1 A shy stripper, but she's really coming to come out tonight.

Speaker 2 Give it up for soul dimple.

Speaker 1 So the sort of kicker of the article, so to speak, it's that at a certain point, the author hopes that the thing that will free the gooner from his goon cave, that will, quote, open his eyes, is

Speaker 1 the feeling that this room filled with a zillion screens with specially edited pornographic music videos and lube that it will begin to feel boring

Speaker 1 and that the boredom of quote staying in that room may eventually outweigh the fear of whatever lies beyond it

Speaker 1 which is to say that can the gooner become so numb

Speaker 1 to his goon fuel, to the goon caps, to the PMVs, to all the things that seem like they are designed to stimulate the most sort of like thick hide that the pandemic built on america's youth the world's youth that yeah they too will find that not enough and they'll turn to the outside world just felt kind of bleak and it just felt like hey this is where we're all at now and now if you came into this article you didn't know about this now you know about it and it's going to bother you and guess what you're part of it now and you can't escape it and now you're burdened with with this information.

Speaker 1 And I feel like at the end of the article, it's like the camera just zoomed out and you're sitting there like, whoa.

Speaker 1 My hope and my market hypothesis for what happens is that the pendulum is going to swing all the way back. And we're going to go back to like...

Speaker 2 Chastity belts.

Speaker 1 But like old porn.

Speaker 2 Like physical media is coming back.

Speaker 1 Physical media.

Speaker 1 But like truly like vintage pornography is going to become valuable because it feels like it's the opposite of the always on, constantly streaming.

Speaker 1 It's like how books are cool, small batch pornography.

Speaker 2 I don't, again, I don't want to shame anybody because I do think better than

Speaker 2 you can pay me if you want to feel shamed by me. But I also just feel like it's better.
I mean, of all the ways that this could be, I'd rather you take it out on yourself. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 There's a whole subsection in the article about like people like mangling their own penises to like

Speaker 2 prevent ejaculation wait wait what's so bad about coming

Speaker 1 because it's over hold on let's think about that that that's pretty deep is that what it is well there is there's a whole thing here about like what they're afraid of and it's about like having to contemplate what the other person is feeling like are they into this are they not and like they find that very anxiety inducing which is a little anxiety inducing i mean that's kind of this the new generation because of covet and everything so this one gooner gave the writer a few stated reasons for his pornosexuality, as it's called.

Speaker 1 One is a fear of STDs.

Speaker 1 Another is a standard issue performance anxiety. This is what he says.

Speaker 1 It turns out that what most frightens this particular gooner about sex is the impossibility of ever knowing what's really going on in your partner's or anyone else's head.

Speaker 1 What if she's bored by what he's doing but too polite to tell him? Worse. What if she's uncomfortable with the entire situation? How could he possibly know?

Speaker 1 I just feel like it's exhausting, he says, for both both parties. The way they're saying it is like the idea of not being able to get inside another person's head.

Speaker 1 You have to think, they can't even start a conversation in person. Yeah.
Like, so if you can't do that, it's just like

Speaker 1 they just want to jizz on these walls.

Speaker 2 No, they don't is my problem. Infrequently, I want to know.

Speaker 2 I jerk off all day. I jizz all day.
I'd go like, dude.

Speaker 1 That's what I thought it was.

Speaker 2 I get it. I get it.
Sometimes you're just like looking at your feed and you're like, let me just go feel really good.

Speaker 1 40 feet.

Speaker 2 Sorry. Like doom scrolling.

Speaker 1 I heard feet. I was like, Katie.

Speaker 1 Katie's own personal ranking is definitely five stars.

Speaker 2 Ew, imagine if I were into Guy Feed. That's just

Speaker 2 Guy Feeddy Feed Eddie.

Speaker 1 Show me little Fred Flintstone.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know. Talk about flavor to it.

Speaker 2 I at least, I understand it more if there's... If there's a climax.

Speaker 2 I understand it less when it's like delaying the climax to never, to always try to sustain a feeling of being about to climax, which to me would be be like feeling like I have to sneeze all the time.

Speaker 2 That's torture. I'd be like, just get a chew.
Just let me a chew.

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Speaker 1 At the end of every episode of Pablo Torre finds out a show about finding stuff out, we go around the table and say what we found out today.

Speaker 1 And Katie Nolan has rested her forehead against the microphone.

Speaker 2 I hate this part.

Speaker 1 Which is also a terrible visual

Speaker 1 that has already been,

Speaker 1 I think, included into various PMVs.

Speaker 2 It tests my short-term memory, and we know it's not good.

Speaker 1 So I don't remember what we talked about at all all episode.

Speaker 2 I was reminded, today I was reminded, which is like finding out. It's re-finding out.

Speaker 2 That Dezus worked in the porn industry. Yeah.
That is what I found out. I definitely knew it.

Speaker 1 Dezus, what did you find out today? What I found out today is a little heartwarming because reading the article about gooning and I was like, wow, this is so diabolical and dark. And

Speaker 1 Katie comes and she's like, you know what?

Speaker 1 There's an epidemic of loneliness and there's people out there that if they need this to get through life, maybe it helps them. And I've never stopped and thought about that.

Speaker 1 And it could possibly be the silver lining to gooning. Like perhaps it does help people.

Speaker 1 Perhaps it will provide something for people who are missing something that we don't see and this could actually be a start of a community for people who need this kind of thing like while we're here like grossed out and everything this might god forbid save lives like a goon a day keeps a doctor away and you know if that's i don't think that's true i just have to say i don't think that's true i don't think if you goon every day the doctor doesn't you should still go to the doctor if i'm gonna bet on anything what i found out today is that you know getting off on some like old-fashioned pieces of paper

Speaker 2 that's gonna be cool again i just don't want any gooners to like kill themselves. I don't want them to watch this and go, like, wow, I really am pathetic, and then kill themselves.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I think that's probably

Speaker 1 the thing they would love to hear the most.

Speaker 1 Once again, they don't understand. And then it's also, I guess, if you're a gooner, you don't, because like people have that fear of like, if I die, people find this and my burner find this.

Speaker 1 These people don't care. They're like, yo, you want to make sure all the monitors are on.
You want to make sure everything's blasting.

Speaker 1 Like, you want the monitors to keep going forever in memorial of you. It's like the eternal flame,

Speaker 1 the goon flame. Keep paying my electric bill.
Come by and pay respects. This on, okay.
That's very funny. Live by the goon, die by the goon.
God damn. 21 shot salute, and it's quite different.

Speaker 1 What Katie Nolan found out today is that she just wants all these gooners to finally just

Speaker 2 come. Yeah, come on, babe.
Just come. Just come.
You've got all the porn on earth. You've got your hand on your penis.

Speaker 2 Go through with it.

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