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Speaker 15 Oh, Kara, I wouldn't give up a goiter to serve in the Trump administration.

Speaker 14 Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
I'm Kara Swisher.

Speaker 15 And I'm Scott Galloway.

Speaker 14 Scott, I'm exhausted. And not just by Elon Musk.

Speaker 15 What's up? What's going on?

Speaker 14 I moved my house. I was in an apartment.
I'm sitting here in the empty apartment right now. And moving sucks, Scott Galloway.

Speaker 15 So let me just give you a couple of pro tips on moving.

Speaker 14 Let your wife do it.

Speaker 15 The first is you leave town. Yeah.

Speaker 15 And the second is you give your partner, whoever's actually charged with moving, limitless funds and just say, please just accidentally let me know when it's all done.

Speaker 15 And then I will find a reason why my business trips ends. But no, you should not be involved in moving.

Speaker 14 I am so anal retentive. I have to.
You don't understand. I have to wash everything.

Speaker 15 Let go. Let it go.

Speaker 14 I can't. I can't.
I can't. I literally was up all last night because there's dust on everything.
And I'm, I'm really, people don't realize this about me. I'm highly anal retentive.

Speaker 14 And so everything has to go back the right way.

Speaker 15 I'm not sure that's going to shock anybody, Kira.

Speaker 14 I can't speak if the glass isn't shaking.

Speaker 15 It's so easy going when we're not, when we know who we're not talking about.

Speaker 14 I hate it, though. Moving.
I don't like the whole, like, all the things. It makes me want to be a Buddhist.
I'm like, I would like to let go of all things.

Speaker 15 I find as you get older, when you're younger, you want to acquire shit. And then as you get older, you want to dispose of it.
You want to get rid of stuff.

Speaker 14 I'm like, what do I have this and in multiple amounts, like that kind of thing?

Speaker 14 And I just vowed I wouldn't move again ever again. I'm just going to die.
And I've decided I'm dying in this house. Like, this is where it's happening.

Speaker 15 You leave and feed first?

Speaker 14 I don't know. I'm going to slow.
I've got to have a theory of getting rid of all my stuff. I've got 25 plus years, essentially, to get rid of everything.

Speaker 14 So I have to have a theory of getting rid of things in some fashion.

Speaker 15 I do it all the time. I love it.
I love purging. Big purge.
Yeah. I love having a small number of things.
And I like my happy place, if you will, is my place in Soho. And

Speaker 15 I have license to decorate as I want. And it's like a, you know, it's a northern, an angry, depressed northern European person who doesn't like stuff.

Speaker 15 And anything that comes in, anything that comes in, something has to go out. If anything comes in,

Speaker 15 something has to leave. And I don't want to.
guests?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I just don't want stuff.

Speaker 15 I think it feels really peaceful and nice when there's an absence of things. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 It's still beautiful. It's still, you have nice things that are there, but I know what you mean.

Speaker 14 Right now, for some reason, every time I move, I have an existential crisis. I'm like, this couch will be here after I die.

Speaker 14 I did buy a couch. It was a nice couch.
You'll come sit. Have you ever visited my house, do you think? Unlikely.
I have a nice guest room now.

Speaker 15 I like to stay somewhere where I can call and scream, where am I? Where's my room service?

Speaker 14 Where's my room service? Well, Clara would bring you breakfast, I suppose.

Speaker 15 Sounds nice. I don't stay at friends, but even when I'm at like families, I don't.
I stay in a hotel. You do?

Speaker 15 I don't. I want to be able to stay up till four in the morning and watch cable.

Speaker 14 You can do that. I have a TV in there.

Speaker 15 You can do whatever you want. Yeah,

Speaker 15 no one needs to see me walking around at three in the morning.

Speaker 14 The lights on, as they say. Just remember the lights on, like Motel 6.
That's what it is for you, Scott Galloway.

Speaker 14 Anyway, I moved my office into a new studio, which I built in my house. I moved the house.
And guess who's coming to Washington to live?

Speaker 15 Lucky?

Speaker 14 Yes, indeed. That's more than her in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 15 And we've during like the four seasons retirement home, right?

Speaker 14 Exactly. We will be.

Speaker 14 So literally moving things around, including my mother. So you think she'll appreciate it? I don't think so.

Speaker 15 I have nothing to say.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I think it's great that she's going to be with you. And,

Speaker 15 you know, I hope she's happy. I hope you're happy.

Speaker 14 I briefly considered moving her into your Soho place and that you wouldn't know she was there like in the back she might not know for a while

Speaker 15 my building i don't even notice no one's ever there it's no it's the best building ever it's like the ghost building the zombie building I won't even go up in the elevator if someone's getting in the elevator.

Speaker 15 I don't want to make eye contact. I don't want to know my neighbors.
Interesting.

Speaker 15 I don't want them to see the prostitutes I'm bringing in. I don't want any of that.

Speaker 15 I'm just like, don't make eye contact.

Speaker 14 I say hi to everybody. I say, come on over when Scott's here.
Scott would love to have you over for Cocktail.

Speaker 15 Give the doorman $1,000 a year for hush money. They know what's going on.
A little Michael Cohn payment. Yeah.
A little, what happens on the second floor stays between the lobby and the third floor.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 14 All right. I have enjoyed staying there.
I'm going to ask you one more favor to stay there, but I'm thinking of buying a place in New York so I can be nearer, closer to you.

Speaker 15 Well, we better go to four times a week. Your expenses are about to go up.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I know. It's true.
It's true.

Speaker 15 Zip Recruiter. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 I need to, Louie's graduating NYU. I'm going to need to stay there because I can't deal with the hotel.

Speaker 15 Oh, is all right? Okay. Awesome.

Speaker 15 Send me the dates. Yeah.

Speaker 14 We'll have a big or just show up.

Speaker 15 They let everyone up anyways.

Speaker 14 They do.

Speaker 15 They're like, oh, I'm not exaggerating. When I walk in there, the first thing I do is I go, hello, because there's a good chance someone's going to go, oh, hey, Scott.
Yeah, we got in last Thursday.

Speaker 15 Best Hotel in New York. We brought our St.
Bernard and my cousins. Is that okay?

Speaker 14 Best Hotel in New York. And you know what? The only good thing about moving is I was blessfully not paying attention to news this weekend, which was horrible.

Speaker 14 Let me just say there was so much bad news that it was lovely not to be paying attention to it anyway when you're moving boxes. So we've got a lot to get to today, including Elon's chainsaw moment.

Speaker 14 You had some very funny threads about that, Scott Galloway.

Speaker 14 And Trump installing another loyalist at the FBI. In fact, it just, it goes on anyway.

Speaker 14 And also this thing he did this week, Elon pulling yet another page out of his Twitter playbook, ordering federal employees, millions and millions of them, to summarize their accomplishments for the week or face consequences.

Speaker 14 Federal workers receive emails over the weekend with a subject line, what did you do last week? Elon warned on X that a failure to respond would be taken as a sign of resignation.

Speaker 14 He has no right to do so, by the way. Several agency heads are pushing back on the directive, including FBI Director Cash Patel.

Speaker 14 I can't believe I'm saying those words, who told employees to pause on responding to the email.

Speaker 14 I'm not sure it's a pushback or not, but I'm going to read five accomplishment lists that are making the rounds on social media because some of them are very funny.

Speaker 14 This one from a threads user gives us a look at Elon's possible list. One, took too much ketamine.
Two, danced on stage with a chainsaw. Three, ignored my new baby mama.

Speaker 14 Four, laughed at my own bad joke. Five, neglected all of my children except the one I use as a human shield.
He also neglected him.

Speaker 14 If you saw pictures, he walked ahead of a four-year-old and sort of lost him for a second. We'll get to the chainsaw and baby mama stuff in a bit.

Speaker 14 But this one from Shannon on Threads cuts to the chase. Dear Elon, five things I did last week.
One to five, your mom.

Speaker 14 Jaime Klobuchar posted her five weekly accomplishments, which included stood with Ukraine instead of Russia. The other senator from Minnesota, they're very sassy in Minnesota.

Speaker 14 Tina Smith seemed to be channeling Scott with her response to Elon. She posted, this is the ultimate dick boss move from Musk, except he isn't even a boss.
He's just a dick.

Speaker 14 That's the new word for Elon for Democrats. So thoughts? And I want to know the five things you accomplished last week.

Speaker 15 Well, a couple of things. One, and this goes to messaging, and I was speaking to someone over the weekend about this.

Speaker 15 I don't think the Democrats, I don't think we get anywhere focusing on the injustice of all this.

Speaker 14 No, but I like you, the dick one. But go ahead.

Speaker 15 Go ahead. Well, just

Speaker 15 I think you focus on the incompetence. There are a lot of people in America who have gotten an email or have been fired abruptly.
And

Speaker 15 it's not, yeah, it's terrible. It happens.

Speaker 15 Moderates right now and a lot of people in the U.S. like it because they think that government's gotten too big.
They think it's gotten out of control. And if they break a a few eggs, fine, so be it.

Speaker 15 And these TikToks of someone in the National Forestry Service saying, I just lost my job unceremoniously. It's like, well, okay, that happened to my cousin.
Maybe it happened to me.

Speaker 15 And I don't think that's how they should be messaging.

Speaker 15 I think they should be messaging about the corruption that, okay, it just so happens that everyone in charge of overseeing the National Highway Safety Board, specifically around autonomous vehicles, or a large number of them have been fired.

Speaker 15 And those are the people directly overseeing Musk's attempt to perhaps put unsafe autonomous cars on the road. And the fact that this is really just a misdirect from the following.

Speaker 15 They're talking about a $50 billion savings from Doge.

Speaker 15 But look over here, because what we don't want you to see is that we're talking about a $900 billion a year increase in the deficit, which is nothing but a tax on our children and our grandchildren, such that Scott Galloway can have a tax cut.

Speaker 15 I put into AI my W-2 and then the latest proposed Trump tax cut. I'm going to save $950,000 a year if this thing goes through.
Meanwhile, they want to cut over $800 billion for Medicaid.

Speaker 15 The children depend on.

Speaker 15 So, yeah, Doge, again, it's a fucking misdirect.

Speaker 15 Okay, it's a tragedy. I'm sorry.
Fine.

Speaker 15 But all it is, is a misdirect from what they're planning to do, and that is give a bunch of money to really rich people.

Speaker 14 I am going to push back a little bit. I do think people have an experience that I've noticed a lot of sympathy for these people.

Speaker 14 If you notice these meetings that Republicans are going to, and there's widespread reporting on this,

Speaker 14 people are like, you're a fucking dick. Like, why is he? He is getting very bad reviews in the way he's doing this because everyone works in the office, you know, from the TV show, right?

Speaker 14 Works in that place. And I don't think people.
enjoy the Schudenfreud at all. I don't think they know it could come for them.
They don't like when they have it.

Speaker 14 I think it has actually a good point to point out the stupidity of it and the incompetence more than anything else. Like another dick move, dick boss move is a very good way to put it.

Speaker 14 The other thing is to point out the inaccuracy of everything, another word for incompetence, like

Speaker 14 we say 55 billion actually zero.

Speaker 14 You know, I think those are very good things. These people aren't even effective and they're damaging people.

Speaker 14 You can't go to your public park anymore. You can't do this.
You can't do that. I think those are effective.
I think here's how government does work for you.

Speaker 14 And that sort of gets people in the mode of liking government. Oh, wait, I did like that.
I did like getting my check. I did like the parks working.

Speaker 14 I did like going to Yosemite or whatever it happens to be. Just, I think you respond to people.
I did like when I could buy eggs at the store, all those things. And I think adding on to the,

Speaker 14 it's not just the stuff around his cars. Every single agency he has targeted are agencies the most are agencies that have been investigating him.
And that's an issue. And I think he's got a terror.

Speaker 14 His numbers in the polls are very bad. I would say very, very very bad.

Speaker 14 And they may improve, but I don't quite know how they will. And they're trying really hard.
The Trump people are trying, but it's not working particularly well.

Speaker 14 They think he's because he keeps doing these dick moves, essentially.

Speaker 14 I mean, for example, his appearance at CPAC, Elon wore his black MAGA hat, sunglasses, and at one point wielded a chainsaw on stage that was given to him by Argentina's president, Malay.

Speaker 14 His on-stage interview was full of crazy stuff. Let's just listen to a clip.

Speaker 16 I am become meme.

Speaker 16 Yeah, pretty much. I'm just, I'm living the meme.
It's like there's living the dream and there's living the meme. And that's pretty much what's happening, you know? You're like,

Speaker 16 I think you're bigger than me. I mean, Doge started out as a meme.
Think about it.

Speaker 16 And now it's real.

Speaker 2 Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 16 It is. It is crazy.

Speaker 17 But it's cool.

Speaker 14 No, he's crazy. That was, and they were all, he was laughing at his own jokes and they're like, and that guy who interviewed him, who's such a suck up, was like,

Speaker 14 it was so awkward. uh scott as you said on threads this is like when your ketamine dealer finally gets back from cabo

Speaker 15 thank god he's back i know i know so what did you everyone talks about him being allegedly on drugs that was some performance he was on something i think it's it's it's a far-right echo chamber of people who think who mistake leadership for coarseness and cruelty and just general weirdness.

Speaker 14 I don't know what it brings down. I think him not having good polling.
He's in the political spectrum thing now. It matters.
Polling matters to these people.

Speaker 14 And if you're getting pushback, if you're a congressperson in like Bemidji.

Speaker 15 Well, that's different. The rallies, I think, I think we should all, anyone with a platform has a responsibility.
Let me back up. What to do.

Speaker 15 A common tactic across in the GRU propaganda machine is blitzkrieg of information, where so many things are coming at you. You don't know how to parse them.
You feel helpless.

Speaker 15 You don't know where to start. However, you need to calm down.
And there's a a few basic defense mechanisms or a few means of counterpunching.

Speaker 15 One, recognize you don't need to respond to every outrageous thing. You don't need to be emotional.
Two, when you do respond, respond with experts and data. Try not to be overly emotional.

Speaker 15 And also, and this is the hard part, decide which punches you're going to pick. And that is pick one or two or maybe three issues and focus on those and highlight them.

Speaker 15 So for example, I am not focusing on this bullshit around

Speaker 15 DEI or Doge or transgender. Some people I think are passionate about it should focus on it.
I believe the two most important things are the following. We have decided to surrender to Putin, and

Speaker 15 we have decided to essentially reconfigure the world order that has created more prosperity and peace and rights than any other 80-year period in history.

Speaker 15 And that is a very dangerous, stupid thing to do. And two, while everyone is focused on the $60 billion going to Ukraine or the $50 billion savings from Doge, that is not where they should be looking.

Speaker 15 They should be looking at the $900 billion a year annual increase in the deficit. Surrender and deficit are the two things I'm going to focus on.
Be unemotional. You don't need to respond right away.

Speaker 15 Bring experts, bring facts, and focus on the one or two issues that you want to be a domain expert on. Otherwise, you just come across as what they want.

Speaker 15 If you can be offended, you can be manipulated and you look weak. Don't be offended.

Speaker 14 I don't think people were offended. I think they were making great jokes.
I mean, I don't know. You had a good joke.
That's

Speaker 14 people aren't offended by him as much as like, what a fucking tool, like, like mocking.

Speaker 15 We need to move from what I call being right to effective and figuring out a plan for counterpunch and then start talking about tactics. I think the Democrats right now,

Speaker 15 instead of talking about how a rage are, should be saying, oh, by the way, we are shutting down the government.

Speaker 15 If you've decided that the government is so incompetent, if you don't want to deal with the government, if you don't want to deal with elected representatives, fine.

Speaker 15 We're going to go upstream of of Elon Musk and we are going to shut down the government. It's coming.
All right. And let's see what happens to the 10-year bond and the wealth of the 0.1%.

Speaker 15 We are not going to raise the debt limit.

Speaker 15 That is the message they should be sending right now.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Yeah.
That's a good one. Then I'll ignore Steve Bannon channeling his nemesis Elon doing the Nazi salute.
No,

Speaker 14 what the fuck is with that?

Speaker 15 Are they claiming it's a Roman salute? What have they done?

Speaker 14 There's no such thing. There's no such thing.
It's a Nazi salute. Stop it.
Stop it.

Speaker 14 I've, I've deeply studied the Roman salute. There's no such thing.
It's the Nazi salute. Anyway, he's facing legal claims from right-wing influencer Ashley St.

Speaker 14 Clair, who have paternity in custody of their alleged child. St.
Clair revealed her child's existence on X a few weeks ago. I actually knew about it.
I think I told you about it.

Speaker 14 And said Elon was the father. Elon has yet to publicly acknowledge his paternity, but court documents say he has done so in various written correspondences.

Speaker 14 Another kid, his daughter, Vivian, posted on Threads, if I had a nickel for every time that I found out I had a new sibling, half sibling online, I'd have a few nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened six separate times.

Speaker 14 She's funny. She is really, really funny.

Speaker 15 If you want to talk about what's ailing our country right now, it's that young people under the age of 30 aren't doing as well as their parents were at 30 for the first time in our nation's history.

Speaker 15 And within that is a subset of people who are doing especially poorly, and it's young men.

Speaker 15 And the single point of failure for a young man coming off the tracks, becoming more prone to extremist content, becoming more polarized, becoming more likely to harm himself, and some more likely to become a really shitty citizen.

Speaker 15 It can all be reverse engineered to one thing, and that is the thing that our dear leader, President Musk, is engaging in.

Speaker 15 And the one point of failure for young men is when they lose a male role model. This is more fundamental than technology.
It is more fundamental than cutting costs.

Speaker 15 It is more fundamental than government services.

Speaker 15 At some point, character does matter.

Speaker 15 And the ground central or the ground zero in my view for character for a man, the very basic, the A, B's, and C's are, are you going to be involved in your offspring?

Speaker 15 And we're over here talking about Doge. Anyways, I found that to be the most offensive thing of the week.
Interesting.

Speaker 14 It's interesting.

Speaker 15 I don't like him.

Speaker 14 illegally raiding and wrecking government more than this. I think this is his

Speaker 14 modus operande with all these women. This is what he does.
He thinks he should spread his seed. This is what he thinks.
This is one of his theories of existence.

Speaker 15 The most basic job of a man and a person is to look after your young.

Speaker 14 It just, that's where it all starts. Well, he must pay for them, I guess.
I don't know.

Speaker 15 And again,

Speaker 15 the strongest signal of what is your job? Your job is to produce loving, patriotic offspring, in my view.

Speaker 15 And the single point of failure, the strongest signal isn't whether these kids are going to have money or not. The strongest signal is involvement, involvement of their parents.

Speaker 15 And if it's a boy, involvement of dad. And already he's being sued by two different people.

Speaker 14 Please sound good.

Speaker 14 Girls need their fathers too.

Speaker 15 Yeah, but actually,

Speaker 15 actually,

Speaker 15 there's research around this, and it's the following.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 15 Of all the single-parent households in the U.S., four in five are headed by women.

Speaker 15 Girls in those homes have the similar outcomes in terms of college attendance, rates of self-harm, and rates of depression.

Speaker 15 What you find with boys, though, is that the moment there's no longer a male involved in their lives, the likelihood they'll be incarcerated, addicted to opiates, or engage in self-harm dramatically increases.

Speaker 15 What it ends up is that while boys are physically stronger, they are mentally and emotionally much weaker than girls. Interesting.

Speaker 15 So it is a bigger deal when the dad is not involved in the boy's life.

Speaker 14 What say we of the lesbians then?

Speaker 14 Well, my kids, I think, are very well adjusted.

Speaker 15 Well, I would argue, or there hasn't been as much research, but I think what they find is that the key is having two parents.

Speaker 15 And also, and this will get me shit, typically in gay relationships, one person brings more masculine energy than the other. That is true.

Speaker 2 True?

Speaker 14 No, no, it's nonsense. That's nonsense.
No.

Speaker 15 Well, illuminate me.

Speaker 14 It's just not true.

Speaker 14 There's various and different people, just like straight couples. Some of the ladies are more manly, I guess, in some fashion.

Speaker 15 Do you think perhaps two parents, though, or two?

Speaker 14 Two parents, absolutely.

Speaker 14 Two loving parents, I think, are the critical part. And involvement of

Speaker 14 men, certainly, we've spent a lot of time making sure the boys did have that. Have my brother, my son is fixated on you, as you know.

Speaker 14 And we think that's important. We think that's really important.
But I would say it's two loving parents, I think, are the critical, if possible.

Speaker 14 And that's unfortunately not possible for a lot of people.

Speaker 14 And if not, then there's community stuff like churches or Boy Scouts or not, well, not Boy Scouts, it's gotten so pillory, but any of of those kind of things where

Speaker 14 they can have a feeling of community is critically important.

Speaker 15 One of the

Speaker 15 quickest paths, I think, to a better country would be a recognition that the moment a boy loses access to a male role model, that the community and family need to move in and make sure there's men involved in that boy's life.

Speaker 15 And what's really unfortunate is that men aren't stepping up to the plate. So, and I say this all the time, if we want better men, we need to be better men.
But

Speaker 15 to produce offspring, in my opinion, and not be involved in their lives, it is such an ugly feature of a person.

Speaker 14 Well, it's part of his brand, right? This kids everywhere. I fuck everybody and leave babies in my way.
This is his thing. This is this weird fucking thing.

Speaker 15 You're bringing into the world a child.

Speaker 15 that has a tremendous disadvantage relative to other kids who are brought into loving households with either one or two women who decide to ensure that there are men involved in this kid's life.

Speaker 15 And it creates a host of issues as someone who has been asking themselves for a long time, why did my dad not decide to be involved in my life?

Speaker 15 And what it ends up is that it is harder and more damaging for boys to deal with this than girls. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, that's true. Men, women just marry shitty men.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 the women I know.

Speaker 14 Anyway, don't be a shitty father, man,

Speaker 14 like Elon Musk obviously, so obviously is. Okay, Scott, let's go on a quick break when we come back.
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Speaker 14 Scott, we're back. Stocks fell sharply last Friday with the Dow seeing its worst week since October and the S P wiping out almost all the gains since Trump took office.

Speaker 14 The downturn was fueled in part by a drop in consumer sentiment index, which fell to its lowest level in more than a year.

Speaker 14 With consumers concerned about higher inflation, there are also worries about Trump's tariffs. As of the recording Monday morning, the SP and 500 and NASDAQ were still down.

Speaker 14 There's also these government layoffs, which are going to have, they're the biggest employer in the country.

Speaker 14 Warren Buffett's in cash, has gone into cash, and he's not saying why.

Speaker 14 What do you make of the stock market situation?

Speaker 15 Well, just speaking speaking of Warren Buffett, he has a metric which people look to, which has been a fairly reliable indicator of when the markets might be due for a correction.

Speaker 15 That is he looks at the market cap relative to the GDP.

Speaker 15 And usually the average is around 100%.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 when post-like 2009, it went down to 75%, indicating that stocks were cheap.

Speaker 15 And right now it's, I think, upwards around 190%.

Speaker 14 It's close to 200, yeah.

Speaker 15 It looks like things are really frothy. The hard part is,

Speaker 15 and the question is what to do. And my sense is, and what I tell people is it is very hard to time the market.

Speaker 15 It is very hard to time the markets because just when you think you're convinced the markets are way too expensive, oftentimes they go up another 10 or 30 percent.

Speaker 15 And,

Speaker 15 you know, what I would say is it is very difficult to time the markets. Just make sure you're diversified.

Speaker 15 And if you think, well, maybe I want to put a little bit of cash on the sidelines to take advantage of opportunities, that's one thing. But don't make the mistake I made.

Speaker 15 When Trump was elected in 2016, I thought, this guy's an idiot. He's going to crash the economy.
And I sold everything.

Speaker 15 And so I incurred a tax hit. I paid an enormous amount of taxes, taking, you know, 22.8% of any gains out.
And then six months later, I realized that I'd acted out of emotion.

Speaker 15 The markets had screamed up and I had to buy back in with 78% of my capital at higher prices.

Speaker 15 So the lesson in terms of what to do is, okay, you may want to take some gains off the table and move a little bit more into cash, but be clear, nobody can time the market.

Speaker 15 You just want to be diversified and stand for as long as possible.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I just don't look. I just don't look.

Speaker 15 That's the right strategy.

Speaker 14 That's my don't look strategy. Dan, and every now and then when it seems insane, I sell a little bit.
It's like sort of gambling, but I'm not much of a gambler in any case.

Speaker 14 Also, President Trump announced on Sunday night that he's naming podcaster and former Fox News personality Dan Bongino as F deputy FBI director.

Speaker 14 Bongino is also former Secret Service agent and NYPD officer. The role of deputy director does not not require Senate confirmation.
Typically goes to a senior FBI agent.

Speaker 14 In his post on True Social, Trump noted Bongino is willing and prepared to give up his podcast in order to serve.

Speaker 14 I have had back and forth with him quite a bit when I wanted to interview him.

Speaker 14 He kept telling me how much bigger his podcast was than mine. It was very weird.
But ultimately, he was going to do it. And then, of course, you know, wimped out as I expected.

Speaker 14 Would you give up this podcast in order to serve the Trump administration?

Speaker 15 Oh, Kara.

Speaker 15 I wouldn't give up a goiter to serve in the Trump administration.

Speaker 15 A goiter? When have you thought of the word goiter? I think that's my favorite word.

Speaker 14 That's a good word. Goiter.

Speaker 15 I don't like a goiter.

Speaker 14 Wouldn't that suck to have a goiter and not be able to do anything about it? Anyway, sorry.

Speaker 14 Just thinking I lived in medieval times.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Or a goiter on Uranus.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah. No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.

Speaker 15 I wouldn't.

Speaker 15 No, I would not. Would you?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 14 For all? No. Oh, actually, maybe I might.
And then I'll be in charge of the military and then I'll do bad things that he doesn't want me to do and have a coup or something like that.

Speaker 14 This guy isn't qualified. He's not qualified.
Like he was a cop, okay? And he was a secret service agent, but this is just a ridiculous circus, these people. And it's dangerous.

Speaker 15 At this point, I just want someone who's competent and can like do math.

Speaker 15 Is he any of those?

Speaker 14 No, he's got a, he's got a lot of,

Speaker 14 he's run a rage a lot. Don't go watch the podcast on video if you want to feel good about our nation's FBI.
That's all I got to say.

Speaker 14 He's a lot.

Speaker 14 We had a really interesting back and forth, but he's a lot. He's a lot.
And in a way that I don't think is particularly good for law enforcement.

Speaker 14 Anyway, he also, from hiring to firing, Trump fired the country's senior military officer, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General C.Q. Brown, late Friday night, Friday night purge.

Speaker 14 The move was part of a larger military purge with six Pentagon officials fired in total, including the chief of naval operations and top lawyers for the Army, Navy, and Air Force.

Speaker 14 Obviously, they're getting themselves in place.

Speaker 14 The official line from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is that they're putting in place new leadership to focus on deterring, fighting, and winning wars, actually against the American people, probably.

Speaker 14 But in an appearance on Fox News on Sunday, Hegg says shared a little more about dismissing these lawyers. Let's listen.

Speaker 20 Ultimately, we want lawyers who give sound constitutional advice and don't exist to attempt to be roadblocks to anything,

Speaker 20 anything that happens in their spots.

Speaker 14 He's such an idiot. God, he sounds, what is roadblocks? This is, I'm quite concerned about this.
They're putting, trying to put people in place.

Speaker 14 The person they put in a place said he loved Trump, apparently, wore a MAGA hat.

Speaker 14 You know, this seems regular. And just for people who don't know right now, what we're on

Speaker 14 here, we just voted with Russia not to condemn Russia for the Ukraine invasion for the first time,

Speaker 14 which seems astonishing that we're doing that. It just happened in the UN.
And we are on Russia's side in the Ukraine fight at this point or not condemning them for what they're doing.

Speaker 14 So, and this guy's in charge. And he, of course, didn't know FYI, who started the war, Hegseth on one of the TV shows.
He's so dumb, but also dangerous.

Speaker 15 Yeah, this is like FDR saying, well,

Speaker 15 what were those ships doing in Pearl Harbor?

Speaker 15 And blaming.

Speaker 15 This is.

Speaker 14 He's called it complex when someone, even a Fox person said, you'd fair to say that Russia invaded Ukraine. He said it's complex.
He didn't.

Speaker 15 They poured over the border and they started shelling maternity wards and sending. I mean,

Speaker 15 Russia invaded Ukraine.

Speaker 15 It's weird that we can't even have simple truths anymore.

Speaker 15 And it's interesting that all these things we took for granted, if you think about the post-World War II alliance or the operating system that's created more prosperity, more rights, more democracy.

Speaker 15 life expectancy, plummets in infant mortality, all of these things can be reverse engineered, I would argue, to this

Speaker 15 alliance between democracies that we largely had

Speaker 15 each other's backs, not only on this victory of moral clarity, but also this visionary investment in our former enemies, specifically Japan and Germany.

Speaker 15 And the result has arguably been more prosperity in the last 80 years and more righteous rights or progress or humanity than the previous 800.

Speaker 15 And this didn't happen by accident. And so basically to move to, well, I have an idea.

Speaker 15 Let's have two spheres of influence between two kind of a true autocrat and a wannabe autocrat, and we'll carve up the world and Europe's sort of sitting there.

Speaker 15 I mean, I'm trying to think what could go right. And what I think could go right, and I think it's going to happen, is I think people do underestimate Europe.

Speaker 15 You know,

Speaker 15 France and Britain are still very strong

Speaker 15 military and nuclear powers with fantastic educational institutions. Germany is arguably one of the two or three strongest manufacturing, has one of the strongest manufacturing industrial basis.

Speaker 15 And also a positive of this is they are, I believe, Europe is going to be a union again and is going to rise up and state more explicitly that we have your back. When I say your, I mean Ukraine.

Speaker 15 So I think the silver lining here might be that I'm hoping Europe fills the void for the next three years and 11 months.

Speaker 14 Well, that's what they're hoping. That's what the German, the new German chancellor,

Speaker 14 or who's going to be the new German chancellor.

Speaker 15 And I'm hoping we come out. I mean,

Speaker 15 I'm trying to move to what could go right as opposed to everything around the skies falling.

Speaker 15 And I think that Europe deciding to increase its military spending, decide that they need to be more unified, speak with a stronger singular, put all their bullshit squabbling aside, maybe engage in Baxit.

Speaker 15 I think the UK absolutely needs to show more leadership and reintegrate back into the EU and show that, okay, if we can't count on America, that's fine.

Speaker 15 We're still arguably the largest economy in the world, as large as the U.S. is, and we have Ukraine's back.
Things don't end well for Europe when we surrender to a murderous autocrat.

Speaker 14 Yeah, well, the U.S. voted alongside North Korea, Belarus, and 14 other Moscow-friendly countries.
So that was great.

Speaker 14 Oh my God.

Speaker 14 He's like a what's

Speaker 14 he's a useful idiot. I don't know what else to say.
It's just, it's just astonishing. I mean, people, Ronald Reagan would be literally throttling him at this point, you know?

Speaker 15 But look at what I don't get is

Speaker 15 my senior senator now, Secretary of State, Senator Mark Arubio.

Speaker 2 It's like, who are you?

Speaker 15 And when I say not, I don't mean it like, who are you to do these things?

Speaker 15 But he kind of made his foreign policy chops being this cold warrior. And now he's saying he's complying and defending this ridiculous falsehood that Ukraine started the war.

Speaker 15 It's like, literally, who are you? I don't, do you have any value whatsoever? Are there any values that are a red line for you whatsoever?

Speaker 14 What in the world are they thinking? I'd love to understand what he's actually thinking. You know what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 14 Anyway, they're just clown after clown after clownish thing, and Marco Ruby is at the head of the parade.

Speaker 14 Scott, let's go on a quick break. We come back.
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Speaker 14 Scott, we're back. Let's get to some more headlines.
Amazon has gained creative control over the James Bryan French.

Speaker 14 As a surprise, a tech giant will form a joint venture with Barbara Broccoli, who inherited control of Bond, and her brother Michael G.

Speaker 14 Wilson, who remain co-owners, but they seem to have given up creative control. Amazon, that was a big deal when Amazon gained the significant ownership as part of its purchase of MGM in 2021.

Speaker 14 A lot of movies have made over $6 billion at the domestic box office. They have to replace Bond this year, by the way.
I don't know if you care or not, but I do. I think it'll be interesting.

Speaker 14 I think they've been very consistently good, the Bond movies,

Speaker 14 over the years. But I don't know who should play Bond from your perspective.

Speaker 15 I'd either go with Tom Hardy or Taylor Kitch. Oh, really?

Speaker 14 Yeah. I think Idris Elba.

Speaker 15 He'd be very good. He's getting a little old, though.

Speaker 15 They need a younger Bond.

Speaker 14 I like the Kitch idea, though. That's not bad.

Speaker 15 He's a little too American, but actually, Tom Hardy would be fantastic. I think he's.
Tom Hardy.

Speaker 14 Okay. All right.
All right. I'm going with it.
Who do you like? Idris. I think he'd be really good.
I know he's older. You're right.
He's older. Maybe who's a younger Idris?

Speaker 15 I don't know.

Speaker 15 They will probably pick an unknown who's in their 30s because what they want is they want someone who, like, Daniel Craig can go for five or six films.

Speaker 14 He was spectacular. I love

Speaker 15 the Bons, but I think he's been spectacular.

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 14 Sean Connery remains the bones.

Speaker 15 That's sentimental. Daniel Craig is.

Speaker 14 I just, I watched them.

Speaker 15 Daniel Daniel Craig is a better actor and brought more physicality to the role.

Speaker 14 I wanted to fuck Sean Connery, and that's not something I want to do. So I'm just saying.

Speaker 15 I know. Roger Moore's pretty dreamy.

Speaker 14 He was until he got silly. I love Bond movies.
I don't know if it's one of my things. Bond movies.
I own them all. I love them.

Speaker 15 What's your favorite?

Speaker 14 All of them. There's not one.
You know, different parts of it.

Speaker 15 Some of them.

Speaker 14 I think Goldfinger, for some reason, I love because about, you know, Fort Knox, like, stupid idiot. Elon wants to go see the gold.
What a fucking idiot he is. Anyway,

Speaker 14 someone who people don't like even more, speaking of which, Democrats and Republicans are aligned on one thing. Neither likes Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 14 A Pew study of likability of the Meta CEO and Elon Musk found that 54% of U.S. adults don't like Musk and 67% don't like Zuckerberg.

Speaker 14 While Musk's results fall on party lines with 85% of Democrats having unfavorable views and 73% of Republicans feeling favorable, although I think that is falling.

Speaker 14 Mark Zuckerberg is a great uniter with both 60% of Republicans and 76% of Democrats hold unfavorable views. What is happening?

Speaker 15 What is happening? What I don't get is why do they put themselves up for public perception? I understand that over time,

Speaker 15 the personification of a company is really important, but if I were Mark Zuckerberg, I would be like, okay,

Speaker 15 I'm not, I just don't have those skills. I'm not likable.
That's okay. And a lot of people realize that and say, I'm not a likable person.
Most CEOs are like, well, that's actually not true.

Speaker 15 Most CEOs are likable, but I don't understand why he keeps trying. It feels like all this stuff around

Speaker 15 videos of him doing jiu-jitsu and hunting. Writing, yeah, that it feels very like, I desperately want to be liked.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it's very thirsty.

Speaker 15 And if he just was in the background as this brilliant, he's arguably one of the most brilliant businessmen of the last 50 years, I think it would be better than if he, than if he was out there saying, okay, I need pictures of me hunting or fighting.

Speaker 14 They all think there's Steve Jobs who did it successfully, but he did it with class and grace, right? I don't know. I think they all think that.
Like Bezos, too.

Speaker 14 He's like, I'm like, go home, go home, be with the kids, go away, like that kind of thing.

Speaker 15 Well, I think Tim Cook's done a really good job managing his brand.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but he's not around that much.

Speaker 15 Yeah, but he's when he's public, he's very manicured and he's very thoughtful about his statements, has a very strong brand. He's very likable.
Most of these guys do a very good job of most of them,

Speaker 15 you know trying to come across as you know uh such an adela is very likable and they whenever you meet too much whenever the only time i've ever met these guys is at your conference and they're all surrounded by pr people parsing every word and saying okay here's your 10 minutes with this person and and they're all very nice and friendly and at the moment if you ask them a question or it gets awkward someone like you know couriers them off uh they i think they think a lot about their public image and their perception i think brian chesky is very good at managing his brand and coming across as likable, but the reality is in a constant media cycle with social now, their public perception is pretty important.

Speaker 14 I know, but they should, Mark should stop threating. He should stop showing up.
He should stop pontificating. He's just bad at it.
I agree.

Speaker 14 It's like you want to hear from the most annoying person you know.

Speaker 15 Well, he needs, he needs another Cheryl Sandberg. He needs another heat shield to be more likable.

Speaker 15 He had Cheryl, then he had Nick. The guy who's really done a great job of storytelling, although his book is this weird techno-libertarian

Speaker 15 100% Alex Carpenter.

Speaker 14 He's an interesting fella.

Speaker 15 And going on Bill Maher,

Speaker 15 his kind of real-time or videos of his earnings calls, his full embrace, wrapping himself in the flag. I think he's been, I think he's managed his brand really well.
He's been aggressive.

Speaker 15 He's taking risks and they paid off. And the result is the company trades at like 90 times revenues.
It's insanely overvalued, although it's dropped about 20% in the last few trading days.

Speaker 14 I just like, Mark, nobody likes him. They just don't.
They never have, not since the movie. And let me tell you, that tracks in real life too, for people who don't know.

Speaker 14 Just like I could not get away fast enough from Mark Zuckerberg. All right.

Speaker 14 Otherwise, we like the chains, Mark. We do like the chains.
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Speaker 14 Okay, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails. Would you like to go first or shall I?

Speaker 15 You go first, Carol.

Speaker 14 Well, the German election, election, I think, you know, even though Europe is going to have to pull its own, put its shoulder into it, the Conservative Party won, but the ADF did.

Speaker 14 This is a fail, I guess. What's happening in Germany is young people there voting for it's interesting because the left had a big surge.

Speaker 14 I'm going to read something from a friend of mine who's German, who gave me some insight, was showing me sort of the election results by age.

Speaker 14 Young people really leaned into the left party 25% and 20% for the right party, which was interesting.

Speaker 14 So they're really going, the young people are going different directions, 18 to 24 versus the older people who stayed with the Conservative Party or

Speaker 14 the version of the Democrats. The Greens lost some ground.

Speaker 14 Obviously, the version of Democrats called the SPD lost ground. The CDU will now form a government, but they have to get together with others.

Speaker 14 And this is what my friend wrote, as expected young voters voting extreme, highly influenced by social media. Unclear how long it will take to build a government.

Speaker 14 Schultz, the chancellor, did the Biden by not stepping down in time. Big questions about the transatlantic relationship.

Speaker 14 Metz is an old-fashioned transatlanticist, but with supporting ADF, we'll see a baseline. It's great that 85% turnout, a very vivid democracy, but 20% voting for an anti-migrant pro-Russia party

Speaker 14 was worrisome. I thought that was,

Speaker 14 but she was saying social media leads him.

Speaker 14 the left and the right to support extremes. So I'm worried.
Germany is a linchpin of Europe, and they're really, as the Chancellor knew, possible chancellor said, are on their own in lots of ways.

Speaker 14 So they have to get together. My win is the Maine governor who stood up to Trump, who was threatening her.

Speaker 14 I appeared this week at the governor's forum. Jared Paulus had me in to talk about education, which was interesting to the group.
And I met some very nice governors.

Speaker 14 But Maine Governor Janet Mills told President Trump, we'll see you in court during this exchange about around transgender athletes. He called her out specifically.

Speaker 14 And I think she's like, I'm going to run my state the way we have our rules.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 14 he threatened defunding, et cetera. It just was kind of a gross thing, but I kind of thought that was badass of her.
And then secondly, just very goes for the win.

Speaker 14 People don't know Roberta Flack just died. And I love Roberta Flack.
I love Roberta Flack so much. And I think two songs, obviously, the most famous for her is The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face.

Speaker 14 I don't remember when that was, Scott. And Killing Me Softly with his song.
And that's how I think of of you when I listen to that song.

Speaker 15 That's right. We met at DLD.
That's the first time. Roberta Flack.
Yeah. Wow.
Good one. Long life.

Speaker 15 Yeah. You know what really hurt the far-right party in Germany was Vance and Musk's endorsement.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it brought him down. Yeah.

Speaker 15 What does that say about you when you make Nazis less likable? It's anyway.

Speaker 14 Run by a lesbian. Run by a lesbian.

Speaker 15 Oh, that's right. But they still got about 22%, right?

Speaker 14 20, 20, a little bit over 20. Just Just where they thought.
It didn't improve it or lessen it. It didn't increase it for sure.

Speaker 15 So, look, my win is Canada defeated USA Thursday to win the first ever Four Nations face-off hockey tournament, which capped what had become a heated and politically charged event.

Speaker 15 But it was just such an incredible spectacle of sports. And hockey,

Speaker 15 I went to hockey games with my son and my dad. And when you get on the ice, you just see these players.
There's just no phoning it in. It really is an incredible spectator sport.

Speaker 15 And an overtime goal from Conor McDavid, who's arguably the best player in the league, sealed the 3-2 win for Canada at the TD Garden in Boston, where ticket prices had just soared. And obviously,

Speaker 15 this meant more than just a hockey tournament. And it's very strange to be rooting for another nation.

Speaker 15 But I think there were a lot of Americans rooting for Team Canada here. And I think

Speaker 15 a lot of us take for granted what has been just arguably one of the great alliances in history or the great, you know, the great friendships.

Speaker 15 Do you realize the U.S.-Canadian border is the largest undefended border in the world? I mean, what does that say about our relationship with them? In World War II,

Speaker 15 Canada entered the war two years before the U.S. and trained over 130,000 Allied airmen.

Speaker 15 During the Iran hostage crisis, Canadian diplomats sheltered six American embassy staff and helped orchestrate their escape.

Speaker 15 If they had been caught doing this, they would have been hanged from cranes.

Speaker 15 After 9-11, Canada launched Operation Yellow Ribbon, accepting 224 diverted flights when U.S. airspace closed, sheltering 33,000 stranded passengers.
Canada has fought alongside the U.S.

Speaker 15 in World War I, World War II, Korea, the Persian Gulf, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and against ISIS.

Speaker 15 I mean, there's just so many, Canada is America's largest trading partner. They supply more energy to the U.S.
than any other country.

Speaker 15 The countries share critical supply chains and manufacturing, especially automotive. They consistently support U.S.
diplomatic initiatives internationally. They coordinate on Arctic policy.

Speaker 15 They work with the U.S. Germany.

Speaker 14 Canadians are the good people.

Speaker 15 They support U.S. positions on international organizations, including NATO and the U.N.

Speaker 15 Deep people-to-people connections with extensive family ties across borders. My parents first came to Toronto, where I was conceived, and then came to San Diego, where I was born.

Speaker 15 They have shared values around democracy, human rights, and free markets, cooperation on environmental protection of shared waterways and and natural resources.

Speaker 15 And also, just in case you needed any reminder, they are the best in the world at hockey. This game, Connor McDavid, arguably the best player in the league, took this thing in sudden death overtime.

Speaker 15 And you could hear a roar

Speaker 15 across Canada as the 11th province, the United States,

Speaker 15 you know, basically

Speaker 15 lost in overtime.

Speaker 15 And it's a strange feeling, but Canada, it is insane that we would be, you don't treat when your neighbor is this good to you and just defaults to being your neighbor and being a wonderful ally, you don't treat them this way.

Speaker 15 And this game was, uh, I'll tell you, sport occasionally gets it right. This was an outstanding team USA played exceptional.

Speaker 15 They, they, they were outstanding on the ice, and actually, American hockey is now almost rivaling Canadian hockey. But this was an incredible event.

Speaker 15 I mean, it was one of those moments in sporting history where it was about the game, but it wasn't about the game. And it was just an outstanding game.

Speaker 15 Anyways, my win is Team Canada in the Four Nations face-off hockey tournament.

Speaker 15 My fail is this, what I'll call a...

Speaker 15 the surrender domino of big tech. And that is it's easy to rationalize why

Speaker 15 Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff Bezos show up and agree to sit side by side such that the president can pony them around and say, CA, the most powerful, wealthiest tech executives in the world like me, and then

Speaker 15 bully them into giving them a million dollars. But here's the problem.

Speaker 15 Okay, so you're protecting shareholder value, but when the three of them and Sam Altman do this, it makes it easier for someone like Linda Yaccarino to start threatening government retribution against IPG and Omnicom.

Speaker 15 She basically threatened to block the merger unless they advertised on the platform.

Speaker 15 It leads to Amazon paying Melania Trump an irrational number for her biography, thinking that we are now full kleptocrat.

Speaker 15 And the lack of separation of business and state is really not as important, but right up there with the importance of separation of church and state.

Speaker 15 Because in the 30s, Hitler basically said to corporations,

Speaker 15 if you support me and give me money, I'll bust the unions. And they became sort of intertwined until we lost kind of, they lost sort of any difference.

Speaker 15 It is a key step to fascism is when corporations are bullied into supporting one group.

Speaker 15 And then unfortunately, because the other group decides to engage in fair play, the incentives are to support the autocrat.

Speaker 14 Yeah, can I add something?

Speaker 14 Just today, before we're on, Apple said it will create 20,000 jobs and open a new manufacturing facility in Houston as part of a more than $500 billion investment in the United States.

Speaker 14 They're opening this Texas plant,

Speaker 14 assembles servers previously manufactured outside the U.S. is according to the Washington Post.

Speaker 14 They're expanding data center capacity, et cetera.

Speaker 14 Now, just so you're aware, this is part of a thing that they announced in 2021 where it would spend $430 billion and add 20,000 jobs in the United States over five years.

Speaker 14 So it's an overlap with the latest announcement. I'm not really clear, but it feels a lot.
He met with Trump last week and he's,

Speaker 14 and this is obviously a version of that.

Speaker 14 Whatever, we'll see.

Speaker 15 I understand the rationalization that, that, okay, this sucks, but your awesome shocks, I hate to be here, but I got to be here.

Speaker 15 It's still cowardice. It might be lowercase cowardice.
You might be able to justify it by saying I'm a fiduciary for shareholders.

Speaker 15 But for the last 20 years, you have been claiming that you're a fiduciary for stakeholders. And American rule of law and decency and democracy is what got you so fucking rich in the first place.

Speaker 15 And if business leaders who control two-thirds of the economy don't step up and say enough at the expense of their own pocketbooks and quite frankly, their shareholders, we are going to be rolled over on this march to fascism.

Speaker 15 And at some point, I'd like to think there's a business leader out there, I don't know if it's Jamie Dimon, I don't know if it's one of these tech leaders who stands up and says, no, this is, we are going to, we are going to do what's right.

Speaker 15 We are not going to be bullied into supporting any political candidate. And if it hurts our shareholder values, so be it.

Speaker 15 But what is the point, Tim Cook, of being a multi-billionaire and claiming to that privacy is a basic human right? Well, okay, how do you feel about democracy?

Speaker 15 Okay, Sam Altman, in your hushed tones, worried about the safety of the world and concerned about AI. Well, are you concerned about America?

Speaker 15 Because you are being used as a little fucking bitch and you are enabling it. At some point,

Speaker 15 on his deathbed, Jeff Bezos is going to go, I had all the yachts. I had all the thongs.
Was I an American?

Speaker 15 Is that thought perhaps going to haunt you on your deathbed? Did I stand up? Did I answer the call? Okay, maybe I would have been worth $90 billion instead of $120 billion.

Speaker 15 And maybe my shareholders would have been angry. But I think that's going to be a really good look when you get towards the end that you were the guy or one of the guys.

Speaker 15 And we're still looking for this guy because let's be clear, they're all men. We're still waiting for one of them to stand up and say, I'm not going to be a brick in the fascist wall.

Speaker 15 And my guess is that is going to play really well. History is going to look on you and say, good for you.
Yeah, it cost you 10 or 20 billion of your 100 billion in wealth.

Speaker 15 I think that's a really good trade right now. But the corruption of the domino of cowardice here is in full speed and in full light of day in corporate America, especially among big tech.

Speaker 15 Who is going to step up here and say no? That's my speech.

Speaker 14 Thank you. I love it.
I love the whole thing

Speaker 14 beach sing it sister i like it i like the whole thing anyway i agree with scott 100 they're a bunch of wimps and please read my paperback coming out soon a burn book where i add a chapter saying thus what a bunch of they have just oh they're such selfish pricks

Speaker 14 selfish pricks and boss dicks that's what they are everything has come around to you scott galloway dicks dicks dicks dicks as far as the eye can see anyway

Speaker 14 uh we want to hear from you send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/slash pivot.
Submit a question for the show or call 855-51-Pivot.

Speaker 14 And all you Dan Bongino listeners, come on over to Pivot and we'll serve you much better. Anyway, now that he's whatever he's doing.

Speaker 14 Elsewhere in the Scott and Kara universe, I talk with comedian Ronnie Chang for the latest episode of On with Kara Swisher. Let's listen.
You don't want to be an edgelord, Ronnie?

Speaker 16 No, I don't want to be an edgelord. No, I think that, you know, and that's a real shame, right?

Speaker 16 I think a lot of comedy, I think what has happened is that there's been a lot of really funny, edgy comics who've managed to find a niche on the internet.

Speaker 16 And I think unfortunately, what has happened is that they've kind of inspired a lot of these copycat like people who watch what they do.

Speaker 16 And they, because when you're good at it, you make it look easy. And so you inspire all these kind of, quite frankly, untalented, like,

Speaker 16 angry, edge-lordy people who watch edgy comedy and they think

Speaker 16 they think, oh, that's what it is. I can do it.

Speaker 16 Comedy is just about saying the most fucked shit you could say in any given situation, but they miss the nuance and they miss the art and they miss the, you know, they miss the underlying ability.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Anyway, it was a great name. He says, hi, Scott.
He loves you. Hi.

Speaker 15 Oh, thanks. That's nice.
He's a very thoughtful guy.

Speaker 14 He is. I'm having a lot more comics on because I just can't take any more shit.
So I like that.

Speaker 15 That's a good idea.

Speaker 14 You know what? They're great guests. They're really smart.
That was a really amazing insight into what's happening.

Speaker 15 Higher propensity of depression also. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 15 I'm having the big handsome. I'm trying to get, actually, I'm trying to get the big handsome guy on.
He has a book out called Lucky Loser. What big handsome guy? Oh, he's like a big hand.

Speaker 15 He also wears Tommy Bahama. He's dreamy.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 14 All right. Get them all on.

Speaker 15 Speaking of which, have you watched Reacher on Amazon?

Speaker 14 I love Reacher, of course. I love the original Tom Cruise movies and I watch it on Amazon.
Absolutely.

Speaker 15 But I'm so fascinated by...

Speaker 15 What it says about America. It used to be that the heroes were especially skilled or amazing fighters or super smart.
Now it's just, I'm just so fucking big, I can solve every problem.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 15 Just with size.

Speaker 15 Do you know what's out now? You know what comes out? Episode two came out today or last night.

Speaker 15 I'll give you two hints. White and Lotus.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 14 I've got to get into that. I know you love those guys.

Speaker 15 Oh, it's so good. Is it? Okay.

Speaker 14 Oh, my God.

Speaker 15 It's so good.

Speaker 14 Anyway, that's the show. We'll be back on Friday.
Scott, read us out.

Speaker 15 Today's show is produced by Lauren Amon, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Intertod engineered this episode.
Thanks also to Drew Burrows, Mia Severo, and Dan Shulan.

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Speaker 15 You can subscribe to the magazine nymag.com/slash pod. We'll be back later this week for another breakdown of all things tech and business care.
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