Doug Emhoff Is Ready to Win (Fantasy Football)

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Speaker 19 Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm John Favreau.
I'm John Lovett, Tommy Vitor. Joining us in studio today is a man of many firsts, the first ever second gentleman, the first Jewish spouse of a U.S.

Speaker 19 vice president, and the first person to be without a phone at the West Hollywood soul cycle when his wife called to say she just became the likely Democratic nominee for president.

Speaker 19 Doug Emhoff is here.

Speaker 19 Doug, welcome to the pod.

Speaker 20 Good to see you all. Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug.
And welcome back home to Los Angeles.

Speaker 20 It's great to be home. It's great to be here.

Speaker 19 So 45 days ago, your life was still normal enough for you to be getting coffee with your LA friends at Soul Cycle.

Speaker 19 You now have 61 days to help your wife defeat Donald Trump and make history as the next president of the United States. What has it felt like to get shot out of a cannon like this?

Speaker 19 Like, how have your lives changed? How much of your lives changed?

Speaker 20 Yeah, it's so interesting to be right back in L.A.

Speaker 20 in Hollywood. I was at West, the West Hollywood Soul Cycle.
Which I used to do all the time. The 9.30 Soul Survivor class.
So I did 60 minutes at my advanced age. And I was with my friend.

Speaker 20 So we walked out and people were coming by and saying hi. I was like, you know, we're going to be fine.
Don't worry. Everything's good.
And

Speaker 20 we're just, I've known these, I've known them a long time. And then, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes in, my friend's partner just shows me the phone.

Speaker 20 And at first, I thought it was fake, then I don't believe it. Then being a good lawyer, I always read the last line first.

Speaker 20 And that, if you recall was something like I will address the nation later this week thinking oh he's coming back from COVID and so he said read above that and then you know you see this whole crew I have I said let's go we got to go and we're running and if you know that soul cycle it's not like the car's two feet away it's several hundred yards so I'm running running over gay guys left hand right

Speaker 20 in the car

Speaker 20 glitter and things dodging yeah and then to go from that the phone like i've said it's like literally literally steam is coming out of it. And it's some variation of call, camala, call, comba.

Speaker 20 And it wasn't just her calling, it was every family member, including my kids and my parents. Like, where are you? And then I finally talked to her, and she said, where the F were you?

Speaker 19 I need you.

Speaker 20 It's a tough one. And it was a very short conversation.
And then it really has been like getting shot out of a cannon because the next day

Speaker 20 I was in Wilmington

Speaker 20 addressing the now Harris campaign, and it was so surreal, too, because the president called in.

Speaker 20 So just as I was about to go up on stage, and I had barely seen her, and it had been 72 hours since I had seen her, since this all happened, and I just about to walk out there, and then you hear Joe's voice, and we, oh, it just, it just hit so hard.

Speaker 20 Yeah. And then I went out and introduced her, and then it's just been non-stop.
It has literally been non-stop. I've barely seen her.
I've been back and forth across the country several times.

Speaker 20 I've been to Paris for the Olympics

Speaker 20 in the middle of all this and the convention in the middle of all this, including the speech.

Speaker 20 And that feels like a distant memory because two weeks later, I've literally been crisscrossing the country still.

Speaker 20 So that's how it's been. Very little time to reflect.
And there's not a lot of like happy couple chit-chat with us. It's not like, hey, this is pretty amazing.
She's like, get back to work.

Speaker 20 You can't even say anything to her because she's so focused that it's just, yeah, I'm not going to pay attention to that. Just get, get back out on the road.

Speaker 19 One of the things interesting because you talked about this, that basically, because you had been at Soul Cycle and then getting some food after, like this, this ship was sailing.

Speaker 19 Was there any conversation like, hey, are we doing this? Like, was there any kind of like, hey, do you want to run for president? Was there, it was just, it was happening.

Speaker 20 By the time I talked to her, she had already been on the phone with the president and had already been working the phones to to nail down the um

Speaker 19 the nomination so it was our it was minute 45 of soul survivor that it happened yeah i guess i lost i guess because i didn't answer the phone the first time i lost any right of uh negotiation because you're on your way you're you have some stake in this you're going to be first gentleman do you think they should put a little plaque on that seat that said this is where doug's butt was when joe biden stepped aside so apparently it's the thing.

Speaker 20 I guess some reporters have shown up there to

Speaker 20 check out the class. And they're like, ooh, this was the soul cycle class he was in.
But I've been, that was, you know, my normal routine when I'm here. Not enough arms.

Speaker 20 You know, it's a problem.

Speaker 20 You know, it's a problem. It's like

Speaker 19 45 minutes in. It's like, here are some free weights.
It feels like an afterthought. And they should talk about it.

Speaker 20 You know.

Speaker 19 Yeah. I mean, also, like, just having worked on campaigns, presidential campaigns, I mean, usually it's like it's a two-year process.
And the number of things that you

Speaker 19 and the vice president are having to do in less than 100 days is unbelievable.

Speaker 19 I mean, we were joking before we started recording that we had gotten podium passes from a friend at the convention to go up to the very front to watch Michelle Obama and Barack Obama speak, which meant when you were coming off stage for your speech, we were literally standing there and almost accidentally greeted you in this like incredible moment.

Speaker 19 Luckily, you did not remember until I reminded you, but it's just another thing you had to do right away with

Speaker 20 the chest stuff. Yeah, and that speech, because when we were still on the VP side, you know, as second gentleman,

Speaker 20 I think I was going to speak, but I'm sure it would have been

Speaker 20 somewhere, maybe, maybe.

Speaker 20 A couple minutes. And so then

Speaker 20 when she got on the top of the ticket, they said, okay, you're going to have a bigger speech. We're not sure when.
And I just assumed I'd be introducing her foolishly on Thursday. And then they said,

Speaker 20 we're moving it around. Then I found out pretty close on that you're going Tuesday and you're going prime time.
And I said, oh, okay, who am I speaking with? The Obamas.

Speaker 20 You mean Barack and Michelle Obama? Yeah. You're going to go.
And then that's like our prime time package, you and the Obamas. I said, okay, I need to work on this speech.

Speaker 19 I need to.

Speaker 19 Because they're very good speakers, famously.

Speaker 20 As it turns out, they are.

Speaker 19 Well, in addition to your wife's speech, which got rave reviews, almost everyone we talked to and all the reports we saw, people mentioned three speeches, which is the Obama's speeches and yours.

Speaker 19 That was obviously probably the biggest audience you've ever spoken to.

Speaker 19 How did you want the speech to go? Did you practice? Were you nervous about addressing a big audience like that?

Speaker 20 I knew I needed to be able to talk about her. And a little bit about myself, too, because

Speaker 20 even though a second gentleman, married to the vice president, I'm out there a lot it's not like people know me but it's not the same yeah and so it was the part of it was you know who am I just a little intro on myself and

Speaker 20 and who is she the Kamala Harris that I know that I wanted everyone else to know that those of us in her family know and then when you see the caricatures of her and the parody and the like you know her a little bit that's just not her and so for all of us there's just been this, it's just not amusement, it's just like, that's just, it's just not you.

Speaker 20 And so I think part of what I wanted to do is just show the world the woman I married, the woman I love, the woman who was there for me at a...

Speaker 20 you know, a rough time in my life, who was able to come in and be mamala to the kids and be now really great friends with my ex-wife and integrate with her family.

Speaker 20 And so I just wanted everyone to see what we get to see each and every day. But I also wanted to talk about her as a badass.
Like she's the joyful warrior.

Speaker 20 So that kind of part about her was the joyful part.

Speaker 20 Let's end with the badass warrior, the person I also see, the person that I was fearful of when she was attorney general and I was representing business clients.

Speaker 20 And then I'm like, oh, I wonder what she's going to be like on a date. She was great.

Speaker 20 And so to show that side, the woman who grilled those folks in the the Judiciary Committee, the woman who's on the world stage, the woman that we see because we're in the office of vice president.

Speaker 20 So we also get to see her at work each and every day as vice president, Oval Office, Situation Room, doing all the stuff that we see.

Speaker 20 And then she just stepped up because we talked about how surreal it was that I wasn't there, but was also

Speaker 20 Like she just stepped up when we needed somebody to step up. This country needed a leader to step into the void, step into the breach, and she did that.

Speaker 20 And so to say that to the whole world on that stage, that was what I wanted to cross. It was,

Speaker 20 I don't get nervous really. I mean,

Speaker 20 was a trial lawyer here in Hollywood. So

Speaker 20 no one wants to hire a shaky lawyer. So you always learn to be really calm.
in highly stressful situations. You got to be prepared.

Speaker 20 So a lot of the skills that I've already brought to the table as a lawyer here

Speaker 20 really help, but nothing prepares you for that. Nothing.
And so you walk out there

Speaker 20 and you see the doug signs and it's like the noise and the intensity. And I'm looking up.
My parents are up there. And my son had directed the video.
It's beautiful. It was amazing.
He introduced me.

Speaker 20 And so I'm a little... a little shaky because I had all this plan, you know, that Mike Tyson, you always have a plan until you get hit in the face.
So I almost felt like, okay,

Speaker 20 you better regroup, take a breath. And if you see that tape of it, I just

Speaker 20 and then reset,

Speaker 20 and then I just went for it.

Speaker 20 Beta blocker?

Speaker 19 What are those things called? Yeah, beta blocker. You can take a beta blocker.

Speaker 19 The speech went well. You thought about a debate.
Maybe challenging Melania to a debate.

Speaker 19 We can table that

Speaker 19 if you prefer not to. All right, I'm going to ruin the vibes here.

Speaker 19 So on Tuesday night, you attended a vigil for Israeli hostages being held in Gaza. And so, you know, the last 11 months, I think, have been unimaginable for those hostages, their families.

Speaker 19 The news over the weekend that six hostages had been executed and found just days after that execution, it's just, you know, it's unbearable.

Speaker 19 One of the people killed was an Israeli-American named Hirsch Goldberg-Poland. I know you spent a lot of time with his family.

Speaker 19 And so I just, I wanted to ask you about your impressions from that vigil, but also about a disconnect I feel in the conversation about Gaza in the U.S. versus in Israel.

Speaker 19 In Israel, it feels like people are clear-eyed that Hamas is responsible for October 7th. They are responsible for the execution of these hostages.
They're an evil terrorist organization.

Speaker 19 Everyone is clear-eyed about that. But there are many people in the streets also blaming Bibi Netanyahu for his failure to get to yes on a ceasefire and hostage release deal.

Speaker 19 But in the U.S., in the U.S. coverage, in the U.S.

Speaker 19 political debate, including statements out of the Biden administration, I feel like it's far less direct about the frustration with Netanyahu than what you hear in Israel.

Speaker 19 And so I was just wondering if you agree with that observation, if it's something you've seen, and if you think

Speaker 19 the missing piece to get to yes on that hostage release deal is maybe more pressure on Netanyahu's government.

Speaker 20 Well,

Speaker 20 let me start with the first part about

Speaker 20 what it was like to be there last night at Addison DC.

Speaker 20 And remember, the parents, John and Rachel spoke at the DNC, I think just two weeks ago. Did a beautiful day.
And they were just the strength. And

Speaker 20 what I talked about last night about them was in that speech, you know, they were almost just reminding the vast majority majority of people what had happened on October 7th, that Hamas was responsible, that women and babies, and grandmas, and young people at a music festival were murdered, tortured, raped.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 20 there's people who don't know that, and actually, there's people even worse that don't believe it.

Speaker 20 So, the fact that even though their son at that time had been in captivity for many, many months, they used that time to educate the public and to educate about the plight of not only their son, but of others.

Speaker 20 And to talk to them over the weekend when their son had been executed,

Speaker 19 just shot

Speaker 20 with five other people, you know, execution style in cold blood when they were

Speaker 20 almost about to be rescued, just unbearable. But on that phone call, again, we had met them.
I saw them at the convention.

Speaker 20 Kama had met them several times.

Speaker 20 And then to just their strength, their grace, their compassion, and their empathy towards us, the fact that they were concerned about how we were doing when we couldn't even find the words to talk to them about how sorry we were.

Speaker 20 So, I mean, I'm just so on the human element, that's what last night was about. It was a vigil for those victims.

Speaker 20 It was families of survivors, families of those killed there, and it was a way for the community to just come together. And I'm a part of the community.

Speaker 20 So I really approached that as a Jew, as a congregant, as a mourner, someone to pray with them, and to just really express

Speaker 20 how I feel. And in terms of the politics of that, I mean, I'm not going to address it.
I mean, that's not for me to do.

Speaker 20 I know

Speaker 20 she's working on this night and day, as is the president. I know there has to be a deal.
There needs to be consequence for Hamas, and there needs to be, and the leaders, and you've seen that, and

Speaker 20 there needs to be peace, and that's what they're working towards. And so

Speaker 20 that's what the administration is doing.

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Speaker 19 There was this moment during President Biden's last day of the union.

Speaker 19 It's where you're up in the stands and the vice president is standing behind Joe Biden and you're kind of trying to get her attention.

Speaker 19 And you finally get her attention and there's this incredible look between the two of you. I loved it.
It's really moving.

Speaker 19 It seemed to just as somebody just watching from the outside, just two people who genuinely love each other, and people really took to it.

Speaker 19 The last man to almost become first gentleman was a former president with a not insubstantial ego of his own.

Speaker 19 You are seeking not just a supportive role, but a role that is both official and unpaid because it is gendered, because it is based on the presumption that the president is a man and his spouse is a woman.

Speaker 19 How do you think about that?

Speaker 19 How do you think about addressing that?

Speaker 20 Well, I'll take your question in parts. I think the first part, yes, I love my wife very much.
And

Speaker 20 hardball watches.

Speaker 20 But this is part of the,

Speaker 20 that there's

Speaker 20 everyone's watching everything. So you're almost, I'm sitting there, I'm up there, it's like, wow, there's my wife, you know, sitting behind the president, the State of the Union.

Speaker 20 And each State of the Union, there's been something where I've like waved and blew a kiss.

Speaker 20 And it's always on camera. So

Speaker 20 those moments are, but that's us. I mean, you're still trying to be a normal couple amongst all this stuff.

Speaker 20 Bill Clinton,

Speaker 20 I've developed a pretty good relationship with him. He's really been there for me and for

Speaker 20 Kamala as just as someone who's been through all this, someone who... is just so smart and still follows everything so, so well.

Speaker 20 And we did an event after the convention, right after, and he introduced me at an event. I'm thinking, I just spoke with the Obamas, and now Bill Clinton's introducing me.

Speaker 20 And here I am, this entertainment lawyer from right here where we're sitting, just so surreal. But he said, and here's the man who's trying to get the job that I tried to get for 20 years, Doug M.

Speaker 20 Hoff, the next first gentleman.

Speaker 20 I've thought a lot about your actual question,

Speaker 20 how to approach just being second gentleman as the first man ever to do this role and someone who loved my career very much.

Speaker 20 I was very good at it, very successful, said humbly with modesty, but it's true. And I miss it.
But

Speaker 20 to take a step back so my wife can become vice president was something I gladly did. I did it without...
bitterness, without anger.

Speaker 20 And then with her, you know, her goading was, what are you you going to make of this role? You know, try to find something in this role that you can move the needle on. And those were one was really

Speaker 20 being the first guy doing this, let's talk about gender issues. So I talked a lot about gender equity, pay equity, family leave, child care.

Speaker 20 Then of course when Dobbs hit, I spent two years talking to men about why the Dobbs issue and reproductive freedom and this crisis that Dobbs has caused is an issue for all of us, not just for women.

Speaker 20 And then being the first Jew, it's first Jewish principle ever.

Speaker 20 There's a lot of anti-Semitism. There's a lot of hate.
Lean into that.

Speaker 20 And so that's how I approached it, and that's how I'll continue to approach it if we are so fortunate to win the election, which we have to win. I'm going to approach it the same way.

Speaker 20 Where can I be most useful to her as her husband, support her, love her, as always, but be there for her.

Speaker 20 But also, how can I help her as president, help the administration, help the American people being the first, and what issues can I really drive?

Speaker 20 But also, there's a lot of traditions that are really cool. I've tried to uphold those as second gentlemen.

Speaker 20 Fun fact, as second gentleman, I am the president of the Senate spouses because she's the president of the Senate.

Speaker 20 And I was a former Senate spouse. And so, you know,

Speaker 20 there's some lunches, there's an event at the Vice President's residence. So I just made sure that I participated in those traditional events.

Speaker 20 And as first gentlemen, there's certain traditions that I fully expect that I will faithfully uphold.

Speaker 19 So I'm a gay person,

Speaker 19 and I notice that if you go to a fancy hotel, there's a presumption that there's going to be a man and a woman in that room because there'll be things that are meant for men and things that are meant for a woman.

Speaker 19 When you're at the observatory, when you're in any of these events, have you ever gone into a space and you're like, oh, no one ever thought a man would be here before?

Speaker 20 one because there's actually a org chart for everything in the government including the office of the vice president and the first org chart that was presented to us said something like you know vice president at on the top and then there's a line to it said second lady they crossed it out and just said second spouse and then under that it said family life

Speaker 20 And we said, okay.

Speaker 20 She said something like, yeah, we're doing that together. And so the implication was that I would be in charge of

Speaker 20 family life and whatever else that entailed. So

Speaker 20 we just played through it. And, you know, again, as second gentleman, I spent most of my time first year vaccinations, getting the economy going again, supporting the American Rescue Plan.

Speaker 20 And throughout, I spent most of the time. helping her and helping the administration.
And that's how I would approach being first gentleman, whatever the flowchart there is,

Speaker 20 because

Speaker 20 it helps her. I mean, I'm there to support her.
And also, look, this is a two-way street. It's not a one-sided deal.
I mean, when I was practicing lawyer, I mean, we supported each other's careers.

Speaker 20 And, I mean, she knew this was going to be difficult for me to step away, even though, again, I did it gladly. So she has really

Speaker 20 enabled me through her support to lean into issues like anti-Semitism, lean into these other issues, and

Speaker 20 be able to go out there and do a lot of really amazing things as second gentlemen. And that's what I expect to do, whatever

Speaker 20 the chart says. Aaron Powell, Jr.:

Speaker 19 It's been pointed out that you and Tim Walls are presenting a very different, healthier version of masculinity in this campaign than Trump and J.D.

Speaker 19 Vance, who are obviously selling a very different version that appeals to their base voters.

Speaker 19 But also, the voters who haven't decided yet in this election are more likely to be younger, more moderate men.

Speaker 19 The New York Times just ran a piece about how, quote, the Trump campaign has been aggressively courting what might be called the bro vote, the frat boy flank, a slice of 18 to 29 year olds that has long been regarded as unreliable and unreachable, but that Republicans believe may just swing the election this year.

Speaker 19 How do you think about, in the campaign, what it will take to motivate that group of young men to vote for Kamala Harris? I know, you know, your son, Cole, is 29, so he's in that demographic as well.

Speaker 20 Yeah, you got to get a video. Well, he did a video.

Speaker 20 I hope he's going to vote for it.

Speaker 20 I'm actually going to go do my fantasy football draft with him right after this.

Speaker 20 I want to ask you about where to come back.

Speaker 20 Yeah, so great,

Speaker 20 great question. It's something I've thought a lot about, not just because of the election.
I've just thought a lot about this state of where we are as men and

Speaker 20 how I can talk about it. And

Speaker 20 what I've learned, I think, through trial and error is just to talk about me and what I do and how I feel and how I felt even as a young man.

Speaker 20 So when I was married to Kirsten, we both had big careers and supported each other, supported her. And so for me, it was just kind of where my mindset was

Speaker 20 growing up is that I'm going to be somebody who is supportive. of my partner and their career and other women.
I came up through law firms and

Speaker 20 you can see

Speaker 20 we start around 50-50 men and women in the law firm and by the time I left four years ago, the equity, senior equity partner ranks where I was was

Speaker 20 very low percentage of women and it's just not right, it's not fair.

Speaker 20 And so that's again why I tried to use the second gentleman purse to just talk about just fairness, like what's fair, what's not, and sports,

Speaker 20 using women's sports as a way to talk about pay equity, training equity, travel equity, media rights equity, and all the things we're now seeing are starting to get better. And that's a good thing.

Speaker 20 And that means there's more men watching women's sports and more people watching women's sports and we're happier for it. So there's lots of ways to do it, lots of ways to reach them.

Speaker 20 But I've learned that you can't be a scold. You can't, you know, lecture.
You just try to show by example. And one

Speaker 20 great story is in this post-Dobbes. There's a group, literally called a group called Men for Choice.

Speaker 20 And it's primarily men in college and just out of college, maybe up until their late 20s, early 30s. And so they understand that it's, one, it's the right thing to do.

Speaker 20 It's not fair if women are being treated, literally being treated as less than, but also it impacts so many other rights.

Speaker 20 You saw what Thomas said in the concurring opinion of Dobbs. Anything based on this Griswold right of privacy, which Roe v.
Wade was,

Speaker 20 is at risk. Gay marriage, contraception, literally the right to do what you want in your bedroom.
This is where cue the Tim Walls

Speaker 20 memes of, stay out of my damn bedroom.

Speaker 20 So that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 19 By the way, he's a great guy. He's a good Tim Wall.

Speaker 20 I thought he was in the room.

Speaker 20 So it's the

Speaker 20 one good, two funny Tim Wall stories are ready within a few weeks. So I met him once as second gentleman gentleman out on the road.
I was in St. Paul doing a small business event.

Speaker 20 I was very impressed. You know, he knew about business and the economy.
And then I didn't see him until that night in Philly when we jumped up on the stage. Oh, wow.

Speaker 20 And so we kind of bonded backstage and

Speaker 20 we get up there and we just do this big bro bear hug. And I cannot tell you how many texts I got from my actual friends and actual family members like, you never hugged me like that.
What's going on?

Speaker 20 You literally just met this guy. Did you hit him on the wall pole?

Speaker 19 Did you hit him on the back to preserve your heteronormativity?

Speaker 20 Did you give him the backpat? No, if you see the video, we just did this full-on. And I think, you know, he was like this.
I was like this. And then it was just this bro hug.

Speaker 20 And I heard from a lot of actual friends. And then the other one, I love when he said, I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Speaker 20 And I said, I'll sleep on November 6th because I want to actually enjoy the fruits of winning this election.

Speaker 19 The vice president has a debate with Donald Trump next week. She does.

Speaker 20 Yeah,

Speaker 19 well, we hope.

Speaker 19 I assume no one has debated with her more often than you have. Do you have any, what should we expect here? What should you look for?

Speaker 20 I haven't won one.

Speaker 20 You know,

Speaker 20 she is a very good debater. I mean, if you look at some of her debates, you look at her debate with Mike Pence.

Speaker 20 She had a pretty infamous debate with Loretta Sanchez when she was running for Senate.

Speaker 20 And she's also a first-class trial lawyer. First class, I mean a first-class lawyer and a first-class trial lawyer.
And

Speaker 20 I would say some, you know, the funny husband-wife story, it's not like we're in a debate, but I realize if we're talking about something,

Speaker 20 any really good lawyer will lay little traps for you along the way. And as I'm going through this discussion about some husband-wife thing, I said, oh,

Speaker 20 that's what you're doing.

Speaker 20 I was a pretty good trial lawyer, too. I said, ha ha ha.

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 20 she is very, very, you know, disciplined. She's very prepared.
You know, she's a, again, a first-class lawyer and a first-class intellect. And,

Speaker 20 you know, that's how she's going to approach everything. So

Speaker 20 it's Donald Trump. So who the hell knows what you're going to get? But I know from her, you know, she's going to be talking about us.
She's going to be talking about the American people.

Speaker 20 She's going to be talking about the issues that she's been talking about. She's going to be talking about moving us forward, talking about this economic plan, talking about our standing in the world.

Speaker 20 And I mean, literally everything I just said, including the abortion issue,

Speaker 20 there's such a clear contrast. I mean, this is such a binary, clear contrast.

Speaker 20 And I think just getting folks to understand that and pay attention to know that everyone's life would be markedly worse if somehow this guy who's completely unfit for office ever returned.

Speaker 20 It just people will be so far

Speaker 20 worse off, including business folks who think, oh, well, maybe he was good on the economy. One, that's not true.
But two,

Speaker 20 Think about the things he's saying. One of the bases of a great economy is stability.
It's lack of chaos. It's rule of law.
It's our court systems. It's all the capital markets.
It's

Speaker 20 innovation.

Speaker 20 It's trade. It's all these things that

Speaker 20 really make our economy great, make our country great. And you would think this place is going down the tubes the way Donald Trump talks about it, but I love the way she talked about it.

Speaker 20 This country is awesome. And to see

Speaker 20 to hear the USA chants in Paris at the Olympics, where you expect to hear them, but then to come back and hear them at a a democratic convention where you may not normally expect to see that and hear that,

Speaker 20 why were you hearing that? Because her vision of our country is more accurate of what we're experiencing and where she can take it.

Speaker 20 And we know he's already was terrible the first time, terrible, even pre-COVID. And then COVID is probably the biggest dereliction of duty of any president in history.

Speaker 20 Hundreds of thousands of people died because he lied about COVID. He continued to lie about it.
And oh yeah, and then he fomented an insurrection when he lost the other election.

Speaker 20 So yeah, it wasn't great. So this is what we're dealing with.
So she's going to just talk about the issues that actually help people. And he's just going to lie and talk about himself.

Speaker 19 What was your relationship to politics when you met Kamala Harris?

Speaker 19 Have you always been politically active? Have you always had like strong political views?

Speaker 20 I mean, I've always been a Dem.

Speaker 20 I, again, you know, building my career. So I was more focused on building my my career and

Speaker 20 raising the kids. And uh,

Speaker 19 I wasn't like your brain was not broken by politics like all of us.

Speaker 20 I didn't know, like I wouldn't have known like whatever precursor of you guys there were before in the before times.

Speaker 20 All right, you guys are one-off, but no, I was like most, I was just out there.

Speaker 20 I was, I cared about our country, I cared about the issues, I voted, and I followed it when there were elections, elections, but I wasn't like obsessively, you know, watching stuff and reading stuff because I was out there trying to support my big, beautiful blended family.

Speaker 20 No, that was before that. I had a big, beautiful blended family.
So support my family. And

Speaker 20 I got into it a little bit before I had met her

Speaker 20 as it turned out. As, you know, kids were getting older and it was election season.
And I was starting to,

Speaker 20 you know, donate some money.

Speaker 19 Sell it. You're going to invited to a fundraiser.

Speaker 20 No, I was going to, I was starting to go to events because I had more time and I was at a place where that seemed more interesting. And then I met her.

Speaker 20 And then all of a sudden I started.

Speaker 19 You had plenty of events to go.

Speaker 20 Well, then I then I started going to lots of events and learning about it. And

Speaker 20 but my first election was her Attorney General re-elect.

Speaker 20 And I was like, wow, politics is easy. You just show up on election day and you get re-elected.
I didn't realize

Speaker 20 she was basically running on a pose.

Speaker 20 And even the Senate race,

Speaker 20 it took a while and she ran for a while, but I was working full-time. I was in and out of that.

Speaker 20 And really my first introduction is when she ran in the primary, when I was like a weekend warrior and went around

Speaker 20 helping around,

Speaker 20 then it became a full-time gig that day in August of 2020 when she got that call. And then

Speaker 20 that was my last day at the firm, and I've been doing this ever since. Oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 19 All right, now it's time for some hardballs.

Speaker 20 Okay, are you ready? Oh my goodness.

Speaker 19 So, the LA Times, publish a list of some of your favorite restaurants.

Speaker 20 Okay, okay.

Speaker 19 Some good, important choices there. Two big problems with the list.
First of all,

Speaker 19 Toscana, Douglas,

Speaker 20 Toscana. What was that on there?

Speaker 19 It's 2024.

Speaker 20 I'm barely here.

Speaker 20 My point of reference is

Speaker 20 I haven't been here a lot in the last four years.

Speaker 19 We're in a red sauce renaissance in this city. Are you not familiar with this?

Speaker 20 I didn't know we were in a red sauce renaissance.

Speaker 19 We're in a red sauce renaissance.

Speaker 20 So the thing is, I'm not here a lot. And so when I come back, I want to just re-experience the LA that I left behind in 2020 or even pre-COVID.
So I don't know many of the new places.

Speaker 20 And it's kind of hard to, you know, get around these days.

Speaker 19 So I've been here for 10 years and never knew like the best Mexican food in LA. And then reading to prepare for this interview, I saw that you guys love El Cholo.

Speaker 19 And so after I was reading it yesterday, my wife and I went to the original location. And it's like right down the street from us.
We didn't even know. Yeah.

Speaker 19 And fantastic.

Speaker 20 Isn't it amazing?

Speaker 19 Yes. Thank you for that recommendation.

Speaker 20 Well, I started going to that one. I went to USC for law school and I started going there in the late 80s when I was in law school.
And basically, that was part of my repertoire the whole time.

Speaker 20 So as soon as I met Kambo, we just started going. And if we can't go, we is that is El Trello.
You're giving me the look on El Trollo.

Speaker 19 No, no, no, I'm good with El Trello.

Speaker 20 I'm good with El Trelo. It's just Toscano.
Craig's upset me. What about Craig?

Speaker 19 It's like fancy cars, photographers, you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 So Craig's, I think this is public, but we went on our first date there. Right.
And so it, and I knew Craig for a long time, and it was one of those places where

Speaker 19 the one in West Hollywood, right? Is there this one?

Speaker 20 Yeah. There's this one.
And so that's kind of of a special place just because that was literally our first date. And it's

Speaker 20 very sceny now.

Speaker 20 But again,

Speaker 20 I'm barely here.

Speaker 20 I'm really just trying to see the kids or my parents.

Speaker 20 So it's not like I'm out hitting the town.

Speaker 19 Hard to get east of the 405 when you're

Speaker 20 told, you know, when you're just here.

Speaker 20 I'm glad you brought that up because when I'm talking to the team who are not from LA and they're giving me like the 15-minute travel time to get from the west side side to 4 p.m.

Speaker 20 No. Can't you roll sirens? It's literally an hour and 20 minutes.

Speaker 19 Can we roll Lithe and Sirens now?

Speaker 20 I think we got to win this election. Okay, let's win.

Speaker 19 All right. Now, second problem I have.
Oh, my God. This may not be your fault.
This may be just the mainstream media once again letting us all down. But there was no deli on that list.

Speaker 20 All right.

Speaker 19 And I just, I have a couple. Nathan Al's, Cantors, Arts, Langers.

Speaker 20 Where are we going? What are we ordering? Langers is,

Speaker 20 and I read an article about Langers in the LA Times that, you know, I think

Speaker 20 it needs some love.

Speaker 20 Langers, the first,

Speaker 20 I'm so old, the first stop on the original Metro line went from downtown 7th Street to right across the street from Langers. So us lawyers would literally,

Speaker 20 whatever it costs, a quarter dollar, would go to lunch at Langers, take the new subway Metro line and go

Speaker 20 there. So

Speaker 20 love that place.

Speaker 20 What's our deli order?

Speaker 19 We're fighting anti-Semitism. We're at the deli.
What are we getting?

Speaker 20 I mean, you know, corned beef, it's kind of hard not to, but I try to eat a little healthier these days. So maybe

Speaker 20 I love dry tuna. So I get dry tuna at a lot of these delis too.
Dry tuna?

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 I don't know if you're going to win.

Speaker 20 I don't think it's going to be a lot of fun. Not totally, not like...

Speaker 26 I'm not talking about dry tuna.

Speaker 20 Not super dry, but you know, just melt, tuna mel. Okay, tuna melt.
Love it,

Speaker 20 The tuna has to be, it can't be, you know, super, we saw the VP, you know, make a tuna melt or something. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 19 The Mark Warner thing.

Speaker 20 Yeah, and also, like, she, she, when we're here, she cooks. I mean, her thing is cooking Sunday dinner.
And so, um, you know, she's amazing, um, near chef-like.

Speaker 20 So for me, it's like her cooking for us, cooking for the family. You're always winning.

Speaker 19 What are you doing with matzah? What's she doing with matzah?

Speaker 20 I think I got her to make me matzah bry once. And again, she does everything great.
So she puts her own touches in it. She probably threw some some flavor and some spice in it.
But

Speaker 20 no, she she's good.

Speaker 20 And I was not lying. She makes a very mean brisket and she puts a lot of love into it.

Speaker 19 And I read at these Sunday dinners, she spends like five hours on a bouillonnese or whatever, and you do cocktails.

Speaker 20 Does that sound like the kind of deck would you do title? I think during

Speaker 19 what kind of cocktails were we drinking?

Speaker 20 Well, I d I do try. I try to sous chef it up.
She taught me some of the knife skills. Oh, not

Speaker 20 cutting food. Yeah, we obviously did that.
Chopping. I didn't think you meant samurai.
Chopping.

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 20 I've famously, she got me onion goggles, which I put on a post once, which I go, oh, my God, onion goggles. So I take that seriously.
I try to help as much as I can. But now that

Speaker 20 usually the kids come over and everyone's getting older, so they all want to help her in the kitchen. So usually I'm just like making drinks, or now I might even coal aches.

Speaker 20 I'm like down to just make picking the music, like putting a playlist on it.

Speaker 20 You know what, though? It's good, though. I'm like, this is great.

Speaker 19 You're fighting for gender equity. You stole your job

Speaker 19 from a woman,

Speaker 19 and now we're just doing the playlist. Something to think about.

Speaker 26 It's something to think about.

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Speaker 19 It's my understanding that you're a big sports fan. Just LA Rams, Lakers, all LA.

Speaker 20 So I was born in Brooklyn and moved here when I was 16. So there's still a vestige of New York teams.
So it's a

Speaker 20 hodgepodge of New York and LA teams, but I've been here.

Speaker 19 So you're a Yankees-Lakers fan.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. No, well, so it's the Dodgers have superseded Dodgers and Lakers superseded the New York teams, but the New York Giants are still in my in my DNA.
And I love the Rams.

Speaker 20 But remember, the Rams were not here. They were in Orange County.
Then they were in St. Louis.

Speaker 20 They came back. But since they've been back, it's been fantastic.
So big Rams fan, but my, you know, kind of the team of my youth, which is still my team, is the New York Football Giants. And

Speaker 20 the Lakers and

Speaker 20 Dodgers are,

Speaker 20 you know,

Speaker 20 they kind of got in the blood.

Speaker 19 Now, I heard you telling a guy, Rich Eisen, that you hate Boston teams. And I just wondered if a couple Boston guys.

Speaker 19 Well, for those of us who want a victory in November, I'm wondering if we should be concerned that you seem to hate winning and hate excellence.

Speaker 20 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 19 Yeah, a lot of electoral votes in going after Boston.

Speaker 20 Telling what success. So it's so funny.
My son and I went, he was in D.C. during the playoffs, and we, we, there are a lot of Boston fans.

Speaker 20 It was the finals, a lot of Boston fans in this big sports bar we were at. And

Speaker 20 we were like not rooting for them. And a couple of fans are like, are you not rooting for us? And I'm like,

Speaker 20 see good sweet.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 20 I will say one of the assholes. Yeah, we are.

Speaker 20 One of the highlights. But a lot of the folks on our team are from Boston, so I've got a.
Okay.

Speaker 20 But one of the cool events is we went up to see Robert Kraft, who's been doing a lot of work on anti-Semitism, fighting anti-Semitism.

Speaker 20 And he gave me a tour of his office, and he has a shrine to all the Super Bowl trophies, and I've got to see that. And one of which is dented, I think this story was by Gronk or something.
Gronk.

Speaker 20 And so. Hit a baseball with it.
Yeah. So his office and the rings, I got to meet the new coach and

Speaker 20 Mayo. Yeah, but still not a fan.

Speaker 19 Where are we Putin taking that ring? Still has it, I think.

Speaker 20 He still has it.

Speaker 20 He told me that whole story with Putin and the ring.

Speaker 20 He was very gracious. He has some really cool stuff in his office, some amazing bespoke Tom Brady paraphernalia and just stuff going way back.
So he's like a real sports fan and

Speaker 20 also really into politics. He had some great political stuff in there too.

Speaker 20 But the trophy room, it's like, it's one of those scenes you just see in one of these movies where it's just this big long room and there's nothing else in there except these trophies and they're just in this case.

Speaker 19 But you can't take them with you.

Speaker 20 You cannot take them with you. When you die? Yeah.

Speaker 19 You can't be buried in a pyramid, something to think about.

Speaker 19 Yeah, Karnataka, great owner.

Speaker 19 Is he happy? Don't love his politics.

Speaker 20 Yeah, no, is he happy? This is not political. I went there, not on politics, but on the because on this fight against anti-Semitism, you know, we're all in that one together, and that's non-political.

Speaker 19 Maybe you can bring them to our side.

Speaker 19 I do think my understanding is we have a heart out on this interview because your fantasy football draft is tonight.

Speaker 20 Now, the question I think is... Is that a first for

Speaker 20 America?

Speaker 19 But I think I actually think that says a lot about you and your priorities because I think I've heard you say that this is a league you've been in for like 34 years with your law school buddies. Yes.

Speaker 19 Or is this the White House League?

Speaker 20 No, the White House League, that draft was last night.

Speaker 20 This league started in 1989 at USC,

Speaker 20 and it merged with my first law firm, which I started in 1990. So it's basically a bunch of guys that I went to law school with and worked together.

Speaker 20 But it's the same, basically the same crew and maybe a new owner here or there.

Speaker 20 And even the new owners have been there for 15, 20 years.

Speaker 20 We're all now of a certain age that most of us have kids and sons and daughters who are now in their 20s to mid early to late 20s who have now come in to be a part of the league. So

Speaker 20 Cole joined me about eight or nine years ago, I think when he was getting out of college. And we're a very hapless team.

Speaker 20 I won once in 2000. So 24 years ago, I won once.

Speaker 20 And you can now, because it's been on one of the apps for so long, it's literally like 12 teams, 12, 12, 11, 10, 11, 12, 12. And then two years ago, we decided we got to just take this more seriously.

Speaker 20 We got to study. This is embarrassing.
So two years ago, we made the playoffs. And then last year,

Speaker 20 we were the number one team the whole season. We got to the finals.
And I even told the team, okay, if just... Just tank, let us win.

Speaker 20 And if you let us win, we'll do next year's draft in the White House.

Speaker 20 Didn't work? Well, I'm here.

Speaker 20 So it didn't work. We lost.

Speaker 20 But it was.

Speaker 20 This is the year.

Speaker 20 This thing is so much fun. So

Speaker 20 I've got two great group chats. It's the one for my Jersey guys that I grew up with and this one of the team owners.
And when I just said the word, and that's when I met my fantasy football,

Speaker 20 there's 500 messages on that group chat.

Speaker 20 Just so, it's just so fun.

Speaker 19 That group chat got wild for your friends a couple of years ago. This is like Megan Markle's group chat.
All of a sudden, when she met Prince Harry, it's like, I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 19 What have you been up to?

Speaker 19 Do they give you a lot of shit on the group chat now? Like, what's it been like the last couple of months?

Speaker 20 They always give me, we give each other a ton of shit because that's what a group chat does.

Speaker 20 Yeah, no, it's surreal for them. I think the highlight of their lives was when I went on Matthew Berry to talk about our league and our team and my team and my draft.
They just

Speaker 20 went to the house, yeah.

Speaker 20 I got a few, hey, great speech. That was really good.

Speaker 20 On the speech, but it was like you said the fantasy team team Nirvana and Team Nirvana Team Nirvana And this is just like a spreadsheet

Speaker 20 Through Yahoo, I assume

Speaker 20 this that one's through ESPN ESPN, huh? Yeah, I don't know what it is

Speaker 20 I never

Speaker 20 told me

Speaker 20 it's it's it's really fun because it's a way to watch the games and now it's something that when the games are on you're literally FaceTiming texting all the the people that you're in the league with and it's for Cole and I, especially over these last four or five years, it's so hard to stay connected to him.

Speaker 20 And it's a great way for us to stay connected and to have something that's just for he and I. And the fact that his dad came out here to sit with him, to do the draft,

Speaker 20 he's just so happy right now that we're going to be, and me too, of course, that we're able to do this. So

Speaker 20 it's a...

Speaker 20 It's one little shred of normalcy in a going back.

Speaker 20 Bringing it all back to to your first question, the way good lawyers do,

Speaker 20 you know, that shut out of a cannon, because we are traveling many hundreds of miles an hour right now, and we're hustling for 60-some odd days to, like I said, to save our country, to win this election.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 20 this is a working trip. I'm doing all these events while I'm here, but I'm also carving out this time for him because we still have to be...
parents to Colinella and to everyone else in that family.

Speaker 20 They still look to us. We still got to be present.
And that was one of the great things about the convention, bringing, I mean, everyone together. And they were all there

Speaker 20 to just experience this thing together was

Speaker 20 very special, beyond special.

Speaker 19 We do want to just quickly show you that we did sell a mug with your face on it. It says Doug on a mug.

Speaker 20 I like the young Doug picture better. Okay.

Speaker 20 That's like super old Doug.

Speaker 19 Well, we don't have one for you because they sold out.

Speaker 20 Yeah, they're so good.

Speaker 19 They still sold like hotcakes.

Speaker 20 So now maybe the second round will be a little bit more difficult. I need, I mean, because you're a lawyer, just so you know, we are legally allowed to use your mug.
license.

Speaker 20 I'm going to just drop to cease and decision.

Speaker 20 We have lawyers too, Doug. Oh, this is public domain.
This is like fair use.

Speaker 19 Oh, yeah, you're a public figure.

Speaker 20 On the mug, you go. Fair use.
This is commentary.

Speaker 19 This is satire.

Speaker 20 Satire. Parody.

Speaker 20 Parody. There's a parody.
You know, I teach this stuff at Georgetown Law School, man. So, yes, you are.

Speaker 20 You're screwing me, but it's okay. Okay, cool.
Thanks.

Speaker 19 Last question for you. What is one thing you know about your wife that you really hope the entire country gets to know over the next few months?

Speaker 20 Only one thing?

Speaker 26 Who I figured?

Speaker 20 See my speech. Can I redo my speech?

Speaker 20 No, that

Speaker 20 she is a badass. I mean, she is a super badass

Speaker 20 on so many levels. And

Speaker 20 she has just done this.

Speaker 20 Her entire career has been for us. I know it's just for the people, but it literally has.
And

Speaker 20 everything

Speaker 20 she does, there's always a why behind it. You know, she talked about why she became a prosecutor because of her best friend was being unfortunately molested by her stepfather.
And

Speaker 20 you track so much of her policy

Speaker 20 and the stuff that she does to help us. There's always some family.
There's always some reason. So here, famously, the mortgage crisis in California.

Speaker 20 where they were giving Californians pennies on the dollar. And I was here.

Speaker 20 And to see her fight for us, because she's then thinking about her own mother and the folks that she grew up with who worked so hard to get those homes and then to lose them like that.

Speaker 20 It's the story about shutting down the for-profit colleges here. You know, and they're just ripping off people.
So for me, it's, I want people to know that she really gives a shit.

Speaker 20 Like, she really does this stuff as a calling. It's, yes, she's in politics, but I don't see her as a politician.
I see her as a very devout public servant at the highest level.

Speaker 20 And she's devoted her whole, literally her whole professional career for us. And that it's just great.

Speaker 19 And you decide to call a person like that at 8:30 in the morning from your car, like she's a client, like you're rolling calls.

Speaker 20 Did your assistant patch you through?

Speaker 19 On a weekday, just to make sure that you're doing it.

Speaker 20 It's so funny you say that because

Speaker 20 it was. It was like, what am I doing? And it was that scene, the other John Favreau from Swingers, and it's literally that scene just in my head.
What am I doing?

Speaker 20 And then I'm like, don't call back, don't call back. And that's it.
He just keeps calling back.

Speaker 20 No, that was,

Speaker 20 it's just because,

Speaker 20 you know, I knew who she was. And I was just curious, like, okay, is this the person who's the fearsome Kamala Harris prosecutor, attorney general? Or is this someone who

Speaker 20 you know, seems really cool? And

Speaker 20 maybe we'll hit it off. And

Speaker 20 it was really when she called, but I'm telling you, when she called me back in that miracle where she happened to be at her desk and I happened to be at my desk, which never happens, and we basically talked for an hour.

Speaker 20 And it's like, wow, she's really awesome. She's funny.
She's smart. She's, you know,

Speaker 20 interesting.

Speaker 20 Let's do, I'm in. So let's, and she happened to be in LA a few days later.
And I said, she told me that. I said, okay, we're going out.

Speaker 19 Congrats on winning winning that fight, by the way. L.A.
versus San Francisco. I lived in both.
It's a no-brainer, if we're being honest.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 20 We choose LA. It's pretty sweet here, yeah.

Speaker 20 I love it.

Speaker 19 And wait till you try some of the Italian food.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 20 After the mic.

Speaker 20 After the mic, after we shut these off, you're going to give me a list so I can spread out a little bit from

Speaker 20 the Toscana seat.

Speaker 19 No offense to Toscana. I love Toscana.
The bread's cold, but it's okay.

Speaker 20 Okay, enough with you and Tosa.

Speaker 20 Did they not let you in? Oh, I know what happened. They didn't let him in.
They didn't get him on the table. So he's bitter about it.

Speaker 19 All right, we're going to let you get to your fantasy draft. Doug Amhoff, thank you so much for coming on Pod Save America.
Thanks for the time, and good luck in the draft tonight.

Speaker 20 We're going to need it. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 19 A couple of quick things before we go. Pod Save America is headed to Phoenix this Saturday, September 7th at Celebrity Theater.

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How about Doug?

Speaker 19 How great is Doug? I just want to go get dinner with Doug at Toscana or anywhere else, I guess. Anywhere else in the conversation.
Toscana. What a too much Toscana.
It's a nice guy.

Speaker 19 There's a little too much Toscana talk.

Speaker 19 This is a personal issue. But you know what? He was fantastic.
Thanks, Tech and Gentleman, Doug Emhoff, for coming by. Good luck with the draft tonight.

Speaker 19 We'll be back with a new show on Friday with Dan and me. We'll be talking about next week's debate with one of the moderators of the last one, CNN's Dana Bash.
So tune in.

Speaker 20 Talk to you then.

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Speaker 3 What's poppin' listeners?

Speaker 5 I'm Lacey Mosley, host of the podcast Scam Goddess, the show that's an ode to fraud and all those who practice it. Each week I talk with very special guests about the scammiest scammers of all time.

Speaker 9 Want to know about the fake heirs?

Speaker 10 We got them. What about a career con man?

Speaker 12 We've got them too.

Speaker 13 Guys that will wine and dine you and then steal all your coins.

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