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Speaker 16 Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm John Favreau.
I'm John Lovett.

Speaker 18 I'm Dan Pfeiffer. I'm Tom Evitour.

Speaker 16 All right, it's our final night here at the convention. Kamala Harris just gave her speech.
We're going to talk all about it. We're also going to talk about what comes next.

Speaker 16 We also had a drop-in by our friend and our governor, Gavin Newsome, fellow podcaster, who's known Kamala forever. So we're going to hear that afterwards.

Speaker 18 But you know what? Let's just get right into it, guys.

Speaker 16 This was obviously the biggest speech of Kamala Harris's life, and she killed it.

Speaker 17 Let's listen.

Speaker 19 And so,

Speaker 19 on behalf of the people,

Speaker 19 on behalf of every American, regardless of party, race, gender, or the language your grandmother speaks,

Speaker 19 on behalf of my mother,

Speaker 19 and everyone who has ever set out on their own unlikely journey

Speaker 19 on behalf of Americans like the people I grew up with,

Speaker 19 people who work hard, chase their dreams, and look out for one another,

Speaker 19 on behalf of everyone whose story could only be written in the greatest nation on earth,

Speaker 19 I accept your nomination to be President of the United States of America.

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Speaker 18 Self-important podcasters? I don't think so.

Speaker 17 It is.

Speaker 18 Yeah, we're the nominees.

Speaker 16 I just want you guys to know we've all been blowing up balloons for an hour.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 16 You know, and it paid off.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it paid off. That was a beautiful.
How many balloons did you blow up?

Speaker 16 How many? I blew up like three or four.

Speaker 18 Oh, I didn't blow up a single one. Yeah, Daniel Dale over here fact-checking you.

Speaker 17 What's going on with that?

Speaker 17 All right.

Speaker 18 What did you guys think of the speech? So

Speaker 17 that means he liked it.

Speaker 18 First of all, I just

Speaker 18 less than two months ago was before Joe Biden debated Donald Trump. 30 days ago, Joe Biden steps aside.

Speaker 17 There was a lot of internal...

Speaker 18 agita and angst about really about what would come if Joe Biden stepped aside and it is, first of all, incredible what the campaign has done, but also the way in which everyone put their hopes in Kamala Harris.

Speaker 18 And Kamala Harris has not just performed as well as her most beloved fans have hoped she would, but I think it's fair to say she's exceeded everyone's expectations.

Speaker 16 Even the K-Habs, like, whoa. Like, the amount of pressure on her shoulders,

Speaker 18 the amount she was expected to do in such a short time, the stage, the pressure, the attention, the spotlight that fell on her, and to see someone deliver as well a speech as I think I've ever seen a candidate do

Speaker 18 at a convention, it was incredible.

Speaker 17 Yeah, look, we're all staffers at heart.

Speaker 18 Campaign staff, DMC staff.

Speaker 17 Oh my God.

Speaker 18 I like, how did they do this? How did you take a convention that was Joe Biden's convention 40 days ago and turn it to Kabul Air's convention? It's incredible.

Speaker 17 Yeah. Incredible.

Speaker 18 You asked about the speech, though. Dan, you have something smart to say.

Speaker 18 I mean, she absolutely crushed it, right? She was under the most immense pressure possible. She is a largely unknown figure to the public.

Speaker 18 She has this one moment where she's going to have tens of millions of people watching her, and she delivered a great speech. She delivered a concise speech.

Speaker 18 She delivered it with strength and power and charisma and with her laugh and her smile. And it was just, she knocked it out of the park.

Speaker 18 Both in terms of the speech itself, how it was written, the delivery of the speech, and also the political strategy behind the speech.

Speaker 18 She knew, like if you had asked me in the beginning, like what are the five things she has to do, she did those five things, right, and did them effectively.

Speaker 18 I could not have been more impressed, and I cannot leave this speech being more fired up about her campaign and our next president.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I mean, I will say a lot of exuberance right now.

Speaker 16 It's not like we're saying she's definitely going to win.

Speaker 16 This is a fight, this is a very close race, but from where we were to where we are now, and the chance that she has given the Democratic Party to win this election, it's extraordinary.

Speaker 16 Like, I have never seen anyone in political life step up in a way that she stepped up in this timeframe under this pressure. And it's just, it's extraordinary to see.
And

Speaker 16 I also think there's a moment we've all seen candidates, we've all worked for candidates, and they're running for president, and you wonder, like, when do they go from being a candidate that you know and a senator, a governor, house rep, whoever they may be, to someone you can see being president.

Speaker 16 She looked maybe and sounded more presidential in this convention speech, in this nomination speech, than almost any other candidate I've ever seen accept the nomination. And for all the like,

Speaker 16 will the country elect a woman president? Will the country elect the first black woman president? Like, it's just,

Speaker 16 she sort of like pushed all of that aside in this speech and just like gave her presentation, her delivery, her confidence was just, it was a sight to behold.

Speaker 18 Yeah, both Kamala Harris and Tim Walls were so confident and and comfortable in their delivery of the speech. Both speeches were beautifully written.

Speaker 18 Shout out to them for the amount of time they put into these remarks and also their speech writers and all the people who worked on these speeches.

Speaker 18 But the way they both just kind of got into the speeches, got more comfortable as they went along, had the crowd wrapped.

Speaker 18 There were periods where she got enormous applause and the signs were waving and people were chanting, but there were periods of people just like listening with rapt attention. It was amazing.

Speaker 18 I mean, Democrats tend to do like one of three things, right? They either do Kennedy karaoke, Clinton karaoke, or Obama karaoke.

Speaker 18 And both Walls and Kamala Harris deliver these speeches like with strength and power and all of that, but with an authenticity, right?

Speaker 18 That was just like very them the whole way, which is such a hard thing to do when you, especially for Kamala and Tim Walls, who are not fully formed candidates, right? They just got into that.

Speaker 18 Tim Walls have been this for like 10 days and she's been in it for 30 days.

Speaker 16 There's something

Speaker 18 Both with Walls and with Harris. That moment we played had it.

Speaker 18 There's a vulnerability in her voice when she talks about this is the greatest country on earth.

Speaker 18 There is something really beautiful about the fact that these aren't two people who set out years ago to get to this point today, that they were called upon, both of them were called upon.

Speaker 18 They were elevated by Kamala choosing Tim Waltz and by the party having this big debate and deciding they wanted

Speaker 18 to make this change.

Speaker 18 And the fact that they were drafted in a way and are rising to the moment and and it's not driven by their personal ambitions, but actually just a love of country, like, really carries through.

Speaker 18 And the fact that they're willing to say, like, it was unlikely that I would be here, that I wasn't expecting to be here,

Speaker 18 it makes them on our team as opposed to us being on their team in a way that I really like.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 So let's get into the, as she said at the beginning when everyone was just applauding and applauding and applauding, she's like, all right, we got some stuff to do, we got some business to do it.

Speaker 16 She had two big jobs.

Speaker 16 She had to make the case for herself and reintroduce herself to the American people. And she also had to make the case against Donald Trump.
Let's start with the case she made for herself.

Speaker 19 And she taught Maya and me a lesson that Michelle mentioned the other night. She taught us to never complain about injustice, but do something about it.

Speaker 17 Do something about it.

Speaker 19 That was my mother.

Speaker 19 And she taught us, and she always, she also taught us,

Speaker 19 and she also taught us, and never do anything half-assed.

Speaker 19 It is now our turn to do what generations

Speaker 19 before us have done.

Speaker 19 Guided by optimism and faith to fight for this country we love.

Speaker 19 to fight for the ideals we cherish and to uphold the awesome responsibility

Speaker 19 that comes with the greatest

Speaker 19 privilege on earth.

Speaker 19 The privilege and pride of being an American.

Speaker 19 So let's get out there.

Speaker 19 Let's fight for it. Let's get out there.
Let's vote for it. And together, let us write the next great chapter in the most extraordinary story ever told.

Speaker 19 Thank you. God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.
Thank you all.

Speaker 16 So, she spent a lot of time at the beginning of the speech telling her story, talking about her upbringing, her parents.

Speaker 16 I thought that the speech was infused with values, again, in the best sense of the word, not the consultant sense of the word, like talking about what actually drives her, what her family was like.

Speaker 16 And I thought that the way that she sort of transitioned into the policy section in terms of like domestic policy, talking about the economy, She sort of transitioned by talking about like, you know, how her parents raised her, how her mom raised her.

Speaker 16 What did you guys think about how she talked about herself, her story at the beginning of the speech, Tommy?

Speaker 18 I just think it's such a better way to do it. I mean, you can't just say, this is my platform, these are my plans.
You have to say, this is who I am.

Speaker 18 This is who raised me, this is where I came from, and this is how that origin story informed my values and what I care about, and therefore who I will fight for.

Speaker 18 And then you can talk through what your policy blank was.

Speaker 18 And what I loved about that clip there is we know that Donald Trump is going to try to say she's not American, that she's other, there's people doing the birther shit to her, and for her to say the greatest privilege on this earth is to be an American was just such a, it's just nice to see Democrats taking back patriotism in that way.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I could not agree more. I think this is one of the most patriotic speeches ever delivered by a nominee.

Speaker 18 And it is, I mean, they're all of the Obama parallels are overly fascinated, right, because of her race, because of her name.

Speaker 18 But one thing that is very similar in their approach to politics is telling, making their story a part of the American story.

Speaker 18 And because she is the daughter of two immigrants, which is the...

Speaker 16 And Oprah pointed this out last week. Yes, and

Speaker 18 that is the ultimate American story right there.

Speaker 18 And the way that her values are Americanized, and it is often true that immigrants and the children of immigrants are some of the most patriotic Americans because they truly understand the power of this country of the American dream.

Speaker 18 And the way she did that, because she knows, if you turn on TV right now in Arizona, or Michigan or Pennsylvania, any other states, the entire goal of the Republican Party is to define her outside of of the American mainstream.

Speaker 18 And the way in which she told her story in the context of the American story today is the exact way in which you combat that.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 18 I was thinking about it when she was talking about that how after her parents separated, that she moved around a lot.

Speaker 18 And I was,

Speaker 18 you know, Tim Waltz.

Speaker 16 One of the places happened to be Wisconsin. Yeah.
Who knew?

Speaker 18 Smart place for her to have had some time. Move to swing states, kids.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Foresight.

Speaker 18 Yeah, foresight. Good move.
But like, Tim Waltz, like,

Speaker 18 he isn't isn't that polished. He just isn't.
And Kamala Harris, to her great credit, like, she has polish. She just is.
Like, she comes off as incredibly smart, incredibly sharp, sophisticated,

Speaker 18 serious.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 I think that

Speaker 18 you don't get from her, like, hey, like, I had hard times in my childhood. Like, we moved around a lot.
Like, I had to make new friends. I had to go to new places.

Speaker 16 She talked about how her mom always had them on a budget.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And I just think

Speaker 18 that isn't what naturally, you don't naturally get that from her in part because of I think how

Speaker 18 ferociously intelligent she is and how serious she is. And I think it's just a kind of really humanizing part of

Speaker 18 the speech.

Speaker 16 The voters who are undecided, who have heard good things about Kamala Harris, are maybe not sure,

Speaker 16 They are wondering, you see this in focus groups, see this in polling, like, all right, well, what's her plan? What's she going to do for me?

Speaker 16 To get that message across is more than just like giving out like a white paper and policy. It's like talking about your values and why you fight for these things.

Speaker 16 And I thought that, you know, she's done this since she ran

Speaker 16 in 2020. She talks about like I've only had one client my entire life, the people.
She talked about Kamala Harris for the people.

Speaker 16 I think she was really effective tonight where she talked about how she's always fought for people and then she talked about her record.

Speaker 16 And her record was very, the way that she talked about her record as Attorney General, district attorney, was very, it's almost very Liz Warren, Elizabeth Warren.

Speaker 16 It was like talking about taking on the banks, talking about taking on people who've scammed veterans, who scammed for-profit colleges, who scammed students, and so I thought that was really effective.

Speaker 16 And then it was interesting that she also, there was a nod at the beginning, she said, I know there's a lot of people of different political persuasions listening to this, and I'll be a president who is realistic, practical, common sense, which I thought was a very effective way of pushing back against the like, she's a radical radical commie.

Speaker 16 There's no way if you watch this speech, you think that she was a radical commie, right? And I think she did that with, and especially in the econ section too. And,

Speaker 16 you know, along with saying that her mom kept them on a budget, they were middle class, she taught us that opportunity is not available to everyone and that you've got to fight for it.

Speaker 16 And then she gets into Trump wanting to give a big tax cut to the rich and raising taxes on people through terrorists with the Trump tax.

Speaker 16 And she wants to cut taxes for people, which got a huge huge applause line. It was a really great, effective way to do the econ section, I thought.

Speaker 17 I think

Speaker 18 I would make an educated guess that one of the central strategic priorities of this speech and this campaign is to beat Trump on the measure of who fights for people like you.

Speaker 18 And in recent polling, that measure is close to tide, or behind by a couple points. And she has to win that by a few points, or maybe more to win.
And that was throughout the speech.

Speaker 18 All of that policy was not a laundry list. It was not trying to get some Brookings Institution stamp of approval at the end.
It was to use the policy to show people that she will fight for them.

Speaker 18 There's also, which takes discipline.

Speaker 18 Yeah, there was also, like, the campaign has talked about building wealth, building generational wealth, and she talked about entrepreneurs, talked about founders.

Speaker 18 The one part that did feel like the most sort of, I don't know, message testy or like the least, I don't know, was when she referred to the opportunity economy, which I think is probably...

Speaker 18 the policies underneath it, the goal of it all makes sense, but it was the one part where I thought, oh, well, that feels like a sentence from taken directly from a people.

Speaker 16 Well, literally, just didn't need that phrase. Yeah.

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Speaker 16 So she did contrast with Trump throughout the speech. There was one longer section in the middle where she just went full prosecutor and laid out the case against Trump.
Let's listen.

Speaker 19 Donald Trump tried to throw away your votes. When he failed, he sent an armed mob to the United States Capitol where they assaulted law enforcement officers.

Speaker 19 When politicians in his own party begged him to call off the mob and send help, he did the opposite. He fanned the flames.

Speaker 16 And now,

Speaker 19 for an entirely different set of crimes, he was found guilty of fraud by a jury of everyday Americans

Speaker 19 and

Speaker 19 separately found liable for committing sexual abuse.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 consider what he intends to do if we give him power again.

Speaker 19 Consider his explicit intent to set free violent extremists who assaulted those law enforcement officers at the Capitol.

Speaker 19 His explicit intent to jail journalists, political opponents, and anyone he sees as the enemy. His explicit intent to deploy our active duty military against our own citizens.

Speaker 19 Consider,

Speaker 19 consider the power he will have, especially after the United States Supreme Court just ruled that he would be immune from criminal prosecution.

Speaker 19 Just imagine Donald Trump with no guardrails

Speaker 19 and how he would use the immense powers of the presidency of the United States.

Speaker 19 Not to improve your life,

Speaker 19 not to strengthen our national security, but to serve the only client he has ever had

Speaker 19 himself.

Speaker 16 We've talked about this all week.

Speaker 16 I personally am not too big on like going through all of the bad things Trump has ever done because I think people have mostly made up their minds about Trump, especially the voters that we need to win.

Speaker 16 But I thought that was really effective because she sort of brought the whole thing forward and said,

Speaker 16 calmly laid out what he had done in the past and then said, well, and consider what he'll do in the future with this power.

Speaker 16 And she basically defined him as someone who has only cared about himself and who's not going to help you. So I thought that was pretty good.
What did you guys think?

Speaker 18 She also didn't make it a bunch of corny lines. Yes.
She just laid it out simply. He sent a mob to the Capitol.
He assaulted women. He was found guilty of fraud.

Speaker 18 He wants to pardon the January 6th insurrectionists and jail opponents and jail journalists. Imagine what he'll do next.
Simple, powerful, got through it fast.

Speaker 18 There was not a single corny line in this speech. And I thought there's a point earlier before the Scliber, she says, he's an unserious man, but the consequence of his presidency is serious.

Speaker 18 Which is exactly the right way to do it. And, you know, we say all the time, like, laying out all the bad stuff he does doesn't matter.
But there is a segment of voters.

Speaker 18 They are Trump 20 voters who after January 6th walked away from him. And we have struggled and struggled and struggled to get those people to come over to the Democrats.

Speaker 18 They were not coming for Biden. Some of them are interested in combo, but these are the exact voters you need.
And

Speaker 18 that recitation, that delivery, is, I think, an effective way of doing it. Because she doesn't guild the lily, she doesn't, just does it straight like a prosecutor would.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I'm sort of done with the phrase everyday Americans.

Speaker 18 I am. It replaced ordinary Americans because we decided the word ordinary was majoritarian.

Speaker 17 It's another everyday Americans. Do you have an alternative? No.

Speaker 17 I'm just thinking about it.

Speaker 17 What about just Americans?

Speaker 18 Just Americans, jury of peers. It's not a criticism,

Speaker 18 that's the phrase that's bouncing around. What about mid-Americans? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 18 Median Americans. Sure.

Speaker 16 Anyway, thanks for your edit.

Speaker 16 One of the big issues in this election, and also one that she had been talking about as vice president for the last couple years, is abortion rights. She hit that hard in the speech.

Speaker 16 Here's the key part.

Speaker 19 And understand, he is not done.

Speaker 19 As a part of his agenda,

Speaker 19 he and his allies would limit access to birth control, ban medication abortion, and enact a nationwide abortion ban with or without Congress.

Speaker 19 And get this,

Speaker 19 get this, he plans to create a national anti-abortion coordinator and force states to report on women's miscarriages and abortions.

Speaker 17 Simply put,

Speaker 19 they are out of their minds.

Speaker 16 It's some creepy shit.

Speaker 18 Yeah, it's disgusting. And I just say, like, that's not only a case about how Trump would curtail abortion rights, it's a case that should appeal to libertarians.
Because that is crazy.

Speaker 18 That is a crazy thing to do if you are worried about government intruding into your personal life.

Speaker 16 Yeah. I also thought that just the line, they're out of their minds.
I love it. It's just great because it wasn't...

Speaker 16 You know, we've heard it a lot at this convention, other places, you get like a line that's designed for an applause and it's a little cutesy and it's written as a sound bite and you just say what everyone's thinking, which is like, that's crazy.

Speaker 16 They're out of their minds.

Speaker 18 That I do think, just to come back to the delivery, like throughout this speech, there were ways in which

Speaker 18 moments like that could have been cheesier. Yep.

Speaker 18 She could have hammed it up. She just didn't.

Speaker 16 I had like a million corny lines in my head that I'm so glad that didn't come out of her mouth.

Speaker 18 Well, the lines didn't happen, but even the moments that I think she could have hammed up, she didn't. She delivered them straight.

Speaker 16 Yep.

Speaker 18 And she let the words speak for themselves.

Speaker 18 She really didn't, like, she didn't linger on applause. She kept powering through the speech.
She kept the speech moving.

Speaker 18 The kind of like, it was funny, she would have like danced around basically saying that Trump and J.D. Vance are going to appoint an anti-abortion czar.
And I would like us to start calling it a czar.

Speaker 18 Anti-abortion coordinator?

Speaker 16 Coordinator? Czar.

Speaker 18 Yeah, czar is scary. Borders are versus abortion czar? I'll take that fight.

Speaker 16 Again, thank you for the edit.

Speaker 17 That's good.

Speaker 16 It's not an edit.

Speaker 18 No, it's good. It's an idea for moving forward.

Speaker 17 We're not going back, John.

Speaker 16 All right, so I just want to say,

Speaker 16 Dan was wondering when he could go to the bathroom during the speech. He was wondering when the foreign policy section began, because that's when he was going to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 18 But to the credit of the speech writers, it was so short I couldn't go.

Speaker 17 And it turns out,

Speaker 16 and it turns out it was an incredibly powerful foreign policy section. Let's listen.

Speaker 19 I will not cozy up to tyrants and dictators like Kim Jong-un, who are rooting for Trump.

Speaker 19 Who are rooting for Trump?

Speaker 19 They know he is easy to manipulate with flattery and favors.

Speaker 19 They know Trump won't hold autocrats accountable because he wants to be an autocrat himself.

Speaker 19 And as president, I will never waver in defense of America's security and ideals because in the enduring struggle between democracy and tyranny.

Speaker 19 I know where I stand and I know where the United States belongs.

Speaker 16 I like almost stood up and cheered at that part here in our studio. Tommy?

Speaker 18 The foreign policy section sparkled on the red carpet tonight, John. I thought.
No mention of AUKUS. It was really, there was no AUKUS.

Speaker 17 What the fuck? I mean, look, where was AUKUS? Where's AUKUS?

Speaker 18 What is the Pacific Rim, Tommy? No mention of the Pacific Rim.

Speaker 17 Sorry.

Speaker 18 Not enough rims.

Speaker 18 She... looked and sounded tough as hell.
She talked about combating autocrats. She talked about rallying NATO after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Speaker 18 She did something that, frankly, President Biden really struggled to do, which was talk about the humanity and suffering of the Palestinian people in a way that I found

Speaker 17 moving.

Speaker 18 And I just thought she just, it was good. Sometimes the foreign policy section drags, okay? We know that.

Speaker 18 We know we are the red-headed stepchild of your little comms department, your little speech teams. But you know what? Tonight, we shined.
Well, let me say, here's what I'll say. I'm glad I didn't pee.

Speaker 18 Thanks. I have a long history of peeing during foreign policy speeches.
In fact, I've never heard a word that Ben Rhodes has written.

Speaker 17 Give me a bladder infection.

Speaker 18 And I'm glad I didn't go. It was good.
It's nicest thing you've ever seen.

Speaker 17 I'm glad she did it.

Speaker 16 I will say, watching that foreign policy section again, that was not

Speaker 16 just performance. That is

Speaker 16 that last clip that we heard, that is like...

Speaker 16 The way that she delivered that is the delivery of someone who has been vice president, who has been around the world, who has dealt with foreign policy crises, who has sat in the situation room.

Speaker 16 Like, you could tell that she really felt that in a way that

Speaker 16 when she was a candidate in 2020, maybe would not have delivered it that authentically.

Speaker 18 Yeah,

Speaker 18 several of the best moments throughout this convention have been people choosing not to process their disgust with sort of like vitriolic sentences, but actually taking a step back.

Speaker 18 Obama did this, AOC did this.

Speaker 18 Walls did this, Kamala does this, which is to

Speaker 18 step back and try to make it, figure out like, why is this so outrageous? Like why is it so ridiculous that we're in this situation? And that, like,

Speaker 18 that was one of the most moving moments of the entire speech. And it was in the foreign policy section, which we normally think is junk, Tommy.

Speaker 18 And I normally hate myself. But to your point about the authenticity of it, you're right.

Speaker 18 Normally if you're a congressman or a governor or a senator and you're running for president, you're faking it.

Speaker 18 You're cosplaying president. She's been in the situation room, she's been in the the PDB, she has represented

Speaker 18 in the United States at the Munich Security Summit.

Speaker 18 She's been to ASEAN.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 18 She's been to these national summits representing the United States. How many Gs has she been to?

Speaker 18 G unit, I don't know, of many. There's also something about her being a prosecutor, too.
Like, one of the things that's been striking just over the past couple of years is...

Speaker 18 We saw this with some of the indictments and how they're written.

Speaker 18 There's nothing that has disgusted law enforcement officials more than actually confronting the detailed evidence of Donald Trump's behavior.

Speaker 18 There is a kind of

Speaker 18 righteous indignation that comes with having been a law enforcement person, seeing the way Donald Trump conducts himself, and I appreciate that in this moment.

Speaker 16 Okay, so you all know what we thought of this speech. You're all thinking the Pod Save America guys slobbered all over this speech.

Speaker 17 It's embarrassing.

Speaker 17 I'm fine with that.

Speaker 16 If the election was tomorrow, it is still possible she could lose. Absolutely sure.
The way things are right now is very tight.

Speaker 16 We've had a whole convention. It's been a great week.
Donald Trump has responded to this in a very Donald Trump way.

Speaker 16 He was truthing during the whole thing, just some really wild truths. Where's Hunter was one of them.
He started yelling about how Coach Walls was just an assistant coach.

Speaker 16 This is what he was posting during her speech.

Speaker 18 The hunter ship has sailed, my friend.

Speaker 16 And then he called into Fox afterwards, went on this tirade, and

Speaker 16 he was so exercised about the whole thing. You could hear

Speaker 16 the phone, he was hitting the numbers on the phone, and it was going beep, beep, beep while he was talking. He was out of his mind.

Speaker 16 Nonetheless, the race is still almost tied. It's too bad.
Final thoughts on where we go from here?

Speaker 18 Just on Trump for a second. Yeah.
Just the split screen of her delivering that speech before that rapturous crowd and Donald Trump calling into Fox News like he's some sort of disgruntled Yankees fan.

Speaker 17 Like imagine what the split screen's going to be like on the morning shows tomorrow, right? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 16 Yeah, like a real campaign could have had waited till tomorrow, and then he could have done an event, and he could have responded. You forget what a normal opposition campaign is like.

Speaker 18 Yeah, you would just take the night off, you'd come back tomorrow and respond to it. Think about it.

Speaker 17 Yeah, in front of the crowd, yeah.

Speaker 18 Also, truth, Walls was an assistant coach, not a coach.

Speaker 18 An assistant coach is a coach, you stupid asshole.

Speaker 17 Play one sport in your life for the love of God.

Speaker 18 You call your assistant coach coach.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it's a great week here at the TNC.

Speaker 18 Yeah, those are like an incredibly effective speech after a very effective convention with some of the best, I think, whatever, primetime big speeches that we've seen, if it works, it does everything it's supposed to do, and it persuades 10 to 20% of the undecided voters to come along.

Speaker 17 I don't think you're going to say 10 to 20,000 people.

Speaker 18 Of the small percentage of people that are undecided, it would show up as a point or two. Okay.
It would show up as a point or two. So your math works.
That's all I'm getting at.

Speaker 17 Math guy. Math works.

Speaker 18 But the most effective night we could ever hope for is one in which we would see modest improvement that would make us maybe feel a little bit more reassured in a race we could still very much lose.

Speaker 17 Yeah, so.

Speaker 16 All right, so just to just to bring everyone back down to our

Speaker 18 good thing to do.

Speaker 16 When we get back from the break, you'll hear our interview with Governor Gavin Newsom. But before we get to that, convention's over and now it's time to get to work.

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Speaker 16 We're here with Governor Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 17 Every state's got one. Every state.

Speaker 17 How the hell do you keep our names straight? There's a lot of us. There's a lot of us.

Speaker 16 How you doing? I'm good, man.

Speaker 17 It's, I mean, this is fun, right? Yes. I know everyone says it just reminds me a lot of Obama in 08.
But it does, right? That sense of spirit and pride. There's some, there's an intangible.

Speaker 17 It's different.

Speaker 16 How are you feeling about the Switch?

Speaker 17 I mean, the switch. Now, we went through a very open process and a very inclusive process.
It was bottom-up. I don't know if you know that.
Yes, that's what I've been told to say. Yes,

Speaker 17 it was a Blitz primary, I believe. That's what they called it.
It's a very, very fast Blitz. I think it was a Blitz.
It was a Blink primary. Speak on that.
Oh, a 30-minute convention.

Speaker 17 Yeah, you know, between a tweet and another tweet.

Speaker 16 It's amazing how it had it.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it's been amazing. But what is amazing is how unified everybody is.
I mean, it's next level.

Speaker 16 So, Kamala Harris is our nominee. You have known her for many years.

Speaker 17 Crazy. 20, 20, almost 25 years.

Speaker 17 Before we were both in politics. I know everyone said we were friends.
You know, like you roll your eyes, politicians being friends. Right.

Speaker 17 But literally before we were either both of us politicians, none of us knew what we were going to do in the future. I was running a little restaurant and had a wine store down the road.

Speaker 17 And she was an assistant district attorney in Alameda County. We had some mutual friends, some guy named Willie Brown and some other guys that fell in helicopters with Donald Trump.
Right, yeah.

Speaker 17 Maybe it was the other Brown, whatever.

Speaker 17 And here we are. It was a hell of a thing.
And like, how is this? This was never on a bingo card, man. This is next level surreal.
So it's pretty exciting.

Speaker 16 What's something about Kamala Harris that most people don't know that they should know?

Speaker 17 I think most people, I mean, it is a good point. I mean, no one even knew.

Speaker 17 I swear to you, the one thing that's universal, I didn't know she worked at McDonald's.

Speaker 17 That's like the most interesting and relevant thing. But it is interesting.
I mean, it is a reminder how you think you know somebody and you don't.

Speaker 17 And so I think that's her opportunity, obviously, to introduce herself, not just reintroduce herself, but fill out that bio a little bit more.

Speaker 17 And obviously, she's doing that with some of the paid media.

Speaker 17 But that bio is so multifaceted, again, just in terms of the relationship, the personal relationship, her advocacy, her causes, social justice, racial justice, economic justice.

Speaker 17 There's so much focus on her criminal justice frame as district attorney and AG prosecuting the case, but there's a whole nother side of her about inclusion.

Speaker 17 And that's something I hope she talks more about. And look,

Speaker 17 she's prepared, she's tough, she's tenacious, she doesn't suffer fools.

Speaker 18 Why'd you point it, John?

Speaker 17 Well,

Speaker 17 do you want to say something about this?

Speaker 17 We got a little history here we need to discuss.

Speaker 18 Did you all know that McDonald's apparently put out some data where they found that one of every eight Americans has worked out of McDonald's? Is that true?

Speaker 17 Wow.

Speaker 17 This is all hearsay from the hallway an hour ago with Dunkie, but this is unbelievable.

Speaker 18 If you can't trust what you're in the hallway of the Democratic Convention, what can you trust?

Speaker 17 I mean, you know what? I just want you to know you can trust me because I have raised the minimum wage for fast food workers in my great state to $20. Nicely done.

Speaker 17 And we've created more jobs since we've done that. Sorry, Wall Street Journal, eat your heart up.
They're wrong. Created more jobs.

Speaker 17 Now, I'm just saying, if Kamala worked under our administration, she would be much better off today than she was back in the day. That's all I see.

Speaker 18 Professional pivot.

Speaker 17 I see what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.
But no, so look, it's exciting, and so it's fun.

Speaker 17 So many of my mutual old friends are here, and now all her new friends that are old friends. I went to grammar school with Kamala.
She's my clothes, you know.

Speaker 17 People are going to be like, there's going to be a lot of that. Jesus.
I did Soul Cycle with Doug, I guess.

Speaker 17 There was a lot of people who did Soul Cycle. By the way, probably a lot of people did that.
Apparently, as well. Doug was in Soul Cycle.
I've been to that one many times.

Speaker 16 California Love was the music playing when you

Speaker 17 Camo over the city. Why was everyone upset when you didn't have Kendrick Lamar or someone show up?

Speaker 17 Nobody they wanted. They're like, oh, that Newsome guy.
You could have had Dr. Trey.
Where's Snoop?

Speaker 18 Like, Snoop.

Speaker 17 He cost a half a million dollars again,

Speaker 17 probably. Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's what he may have.

Speaker 17 He wouldn't have done this for free.

Speaker 17 That was amazing. Anyway,

Speaker 17 that's a whole nother unbelievable. I mean, that guy was, I mean, that's the best Olympics I've enjoyed.
But no, I know. That was,

Speaker 17 everyone brought it. The DJ, the whole thing.
This was a different thing.

Speaker 16 Was that your choice, California Love?

Speaker 17 Come on.

Speaker 17 I love California. I mean, that's not.
I've been like Green Day or something. We're elder millennials.

Speaker 17 There's nothing wrong with Green Day.

Speaker 18 I know, we talked about this.

Speaker 17 Green cool television guy. Lars, I just checked in two nights ago.
How's he doing?

Speaker 17 Man, it's crushing. Okay, good.
They're still filling out damn stadiums. No one does that.
But yeah, no, look,

Speaker 17 California cool. Come on.

Speaker 17 I mean, it makes sense. Makes sense.

Speaker 18 All right, youngster, we were in our Slack. There was a running debate.
Everyone's waiting for California.

Speaker 18 What song is going to be?

Speaker 17 What's going on?

Speaker 18 Young people, it's California love. There's no question.
It's only one option.

Speaker 17 By the way, it was interesting

Speaker 17 just being with my delegation, how everybody, we had four of us that were supposed to be in the camera, our good centers, and how everybody saw it. I saw that.

Speaker 17 I mean, we'll talk. That's an element of conversation.
It was like another college dame day out there. It was an amazing.

Speaker 17 It was surreal.

Speaker 18 So obviously, California's getting a lot of love at this convention.

Speaker 18 The last president from California was Ronald Reagan, a Republican.

Speaker 17 If Kamala Harris wins, are there some statues of him we could melt down and turn into something Kamala related?

Speaker 18 Like, how are we going to play this?

Speaker 17 This is hard.

Speaker 17 God is my witness. Right before I walked in here, someone said, and grabbed me and whispered, said, you need to name the Golden Gate Bridge after Nancy Pelosi.
And I'm like, Jesus.

Speaker 17 I said, well, the Bay Bridge was named after the former mayor, Willie Brown. Feinstein, I think, is going to get the name of the airport.
I'm going to run out of things to name.

Speaker 17 So this is a problem, right?

Speaker 16 You should not say that on microphone

Speaker 16 because Nancy Pelosi will hear it.

Speaker 17 No, I know. I know I do.
We know who echoes.

Speaker 17 We do know.

Speaker 17 That's a lot of pressure on us to come up with something. We need to figure that out for Nancy.

Speaker 17 But it is, I mean, that is another part of, I think, just the California love and that I'm enjoying is just the appreciation for some of the talent that's coming out of the state and that next level talent, obviously, and Nancy Pelosi and Kamala and so much of that history.

Speaker 17 And it's interesting in that Bay Area history in particular. And for those that follow California politics, the Brown Burton Pelosi machine.

Speaker 17 I mean, old school politics, loyalty, I mean, just the principles of leadership and loyalty with you when it's tough, tough on you when things are going too well.

Speaker 17 I mean, these guys are mentors, and they're extraordinarily, I mean, the cohesiveness in the Bay Area, the competitiveness, sure, but the cohesiveness of support is next level.

Speaker 17 And I think that's demonstrable with Kamala's rise in success, obviously Nancy's persistence and her dominance in American politics.

Speaker 18 You played a lot of sports in your day. Tim Walz was a football coach, the high school teacher.

Speaker 18 What do you think it means for a politician to have been a coach of a team, to a leader of young men?

Speaker 17 What does that say about him?

Speaker 17 No BS. I mean, I told Tim

Speaker 17 when I saw him yesterday, I said, Wyam and you publicly thanked me for your job. Like, I'm the biggest Tim Waltz fan.
Anyone that's ever met him has to be. It's the most decent.

Speaker 17 For me, the scorecard of what makes a great politician is just a great person. As a human being, this guy is the real deal.
He's coach in every way, shape, or form.

Speaker 17 He really gives a damn about other people. So the reason he became the head of the DGA,

Speaker 17 there was no debate. I remember sitting there when we voted for him, everyone looks like Tim, obviously.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 we don't know what to do without him as the head of the DGA. So he's just a decent, honorable guy.
He's the same guy in private that you see in public. And so there's an authenticity.

Speaker 17 And the reason I'm not surprised about this pick, knowing Kamala as long as I've known, she's got to have that, she's got to have that trust.

Speaker 17 There was no doubt when she, as talented all the other considerations were, and they were all extraordinarily next level talented, there was no doubt in my mind she would pick Tim on the basis of that interpersonal relationship and just knowing that

Speaker 17 she would have this guy's trust and he would always have her back 24-7.

Speaker 17 And so I just think it's an inspired ticket for her as a situational partner short-term, and as a sustainable partner, long-term, because we all know some people regret their vice presidential choices after the election because they just did it for the situational short-term benefit of political partners.

Speaker 16 And then they try to kill them, you know?

Speaker 17 And then they try to kill them. Yeah.

Speaker 17 So you got to watch for that.

Speaker 18 Or they do a reality show like Sarah Palin's Alaska is on the show.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 16 Last question for you.

Speaker 16 You've been in elected office for 20 years. You now have one of the most challenging jobs, in my opinion.
So I got to ask, what lessons have you learned being a podcast host?

Speaker 17 What the hell that went? I was thinking in my mind, I had my stump speech response to the gubernatorial thing, and you literally went there, honestly.

Speaker 16 You told us you were launching last time you were on the show.

Speaker 17 We're getting peacefully, and now we get the counselor. That's what I wrote a guide to the memo.
You guys know about podcasts, but I mean, I'm trying to be nice.

Speaker 18 The advice was don't do it.

Speaker 17 By the way, literally, you son of a bitch, that was your advice. The worst goddamn advice.
That's a fact. I appreciate your honesty.
Yeah, no, I know. You did that.
I mean,

Speaker 17 that is not a guy worried about our competition. I can see.

Speaker 17 He was serious about it.

Speaker 18 Do I come to your office and start issuing proclamations and executive orders?

Speaker 17 No, stay out of our shit. Are you following our sake? Oh, geez.
I'm like, literally. We don't like competition.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 17 So look, hey, just saying, okay, with all due respect, like Marshawn Lynch, that's just different. That's good.
It is different.

Speaker 18 It's the beast.

Speaker 17 It is fun. And by the way, we had a fun little episode.
We went into San Quentin Death Row, which, you know, I did a moratorium on the death penalty in California, and then we cleaned out San Quentin.

Speaker 17 We're turning it into an honor yard. Oh, wow.
And

Speaker 17 we were able to do an episode there. I met a guy, you talk about sports, God is my witness.
I met a kid that I played Little League Baseball with. Really? 25 to life.

Speaker 17 He just got rejected on a five-year parole because of some in prison violations. And Marshawn met a guy grew up with in Oakland walking through the yard.

Speaker 17 And that's the kind, I think for us, pot that's the sort of intersection of what we're trying to do differently because we sure as hell can't compete with you guys in any day on any way and so that what is not what about but I am a politician I think you basically hosted this whole segment

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Speaker 16 We're having people sign up to get involved, volunteers. Do you have any marching orders for everyone in this election?

Speaker 17 What I mean, to vote?

Speaker 17 I mean, are we seriously having? Are you going to?

Speaker 17 Are we really having this conversation around the importance of registering to vote?

Speaker 17 I mean, you think people are going to be able to do that. A lot of people don't.
No, we don't. I'm not sure.

Speaker 16 We want them to go volunteer, knock on doors, make calls, all the stuff.

Speaker 17 Yeah, no, it's about active, non-inert citizenship. And citizenship is not just voting every two years or four years in an election.
It's everything that happens in between.

Speaker 17 It's everything that happens after this convention that will be determinative in terms of fate and future of our country and the planet and the world we're trying to build.

Speaker 17 And so everybody needs to step up and step in in a much more deep and meaningful way, get other people activated and involved, get rid of this cynicism, all the negativity, all that stress and anxiety I know we've all been through in the last three plus years and recognize that we've got to reconcile the world we're living in and we have this unique opportunity in American history to do that and do our, dare I say, turn the page

Speaker 17 on Donald Trump and Trumpism and put that in the damn dustbin of history and in the rearview mirror.

Speaker 16 Gavin Newsome, thank you for stopping by. Thank you for being our governor.

Speaker 17 Good to be with you guys.

Speaker 17 We'll see you all three or not four of you on the podcast when I invite you on my podcast. We'll see you in the Apple charts.
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Speaker 16 We survived the Democratic Convention. This is our last DNC show.

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Speaker 17 Just a lot of people working. That's 20-hour.

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Speaker 16 Real shrinking violet. Never gets any, never gets spotlight.
I was was just saying the people I could see here and the crew working very late hours in LA.

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