947. Q&AF: Navigating The Fear Of Uncertainty, Anxiety About Getting Older & Restoring Your Hunger

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that's right so what's happening dude what's going on man nothing man

yeah you know it's a funny thing like they say when you like somebody you start modeling their mannerisms a little bit i just caught myself like them over here you know i don't know why i do that bro what cross your arm yeah it's just comfortable yeah i don't know how to i'm like i don't know what to do with my hands

what do we do yeah oh yeah i gotta do i forgot i gotta throw in my freemason apparently you gotta do that yeah that's what it is yeah man no man guys what's going on man it's monday it's a great day to get better.

Um, when you guys are listening to this, it's not Monday when we're recording.

Yeah, um, I've learned that lesson, but uh, no, man, we got uh, it's QAF.

We got some really, really good questions lined up, and uh, let's make some people better.

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Let's uh, we're gonna kick things off, let's kick them off with a phone call.

Let's kick them off with a phone call, let's kick it off.

Let's give uh let's give Riley a call, Riley.

Hello.

Hello, is this Riley?

Yes, sir.

Is this DJ?

This is DJ.

How's you doing, man?

I'm doing great, man.

How are you doing?

I'm chilling, man.

Thanks for asking, bro.

I appreciate that, man.

No one cares, bro.

Absolutely.

Riley, what's happening, bro?

How are you, dude?

I'm doing great, man.

It's excellent to speak to you, sir.

All right, bro.

Just I appreciate you.

Where are you at, man?

I'm in Austin, Texas.

We fucking love Austin.

Austin's great.

Austin's a great place.

What are you doing down there, brother?

Right now, I'm in between classes at school.

No, I meant, what are you doing?

What are you doing?

Oh, what am I doing down there?

Yeah.

I'm a musician.

All right, cool.

Cool.

What do you play?

Drums.

Oh, badass, bro.

That's badass.

Yeah.

It's a fucking hard instrument to play.

Yeah.

How long have you been playing drums, brother?

A little over 13 years now.

Oh, man, that's awesome.

That's awesome.

Well, bro, what do you got going on down there?

What can we help you with?

Yeah,

so.

All right.

Here we go.

The question I asked

was, I'm a musician in Austin.

I play in a band that is developing strong momentum.

Things are coming together fast.

There's a part of me that doesn't trust how fast things are moving.

How do you handle situations where crash and burn seems inevitable?

And so, when I

sent in that question, that was a few months ago,

the beginning of summer, if I'm not mistaken.

And

so, a lot has changed since then.

And

there was

a lot of

uncertainty and

lack of faith in the process with the

situation I was in.

For sure.

And it just felt like it would fall apart or it would stay together.

Yeah.

And what happened?

Well, we went through a lineup change

and

kind of took care that kind of took care of itself.

And

but now

I'm with the right people.

I have my brothers and and we're building something that is

that

I know is going to

change music and

change American culture.

Good.

And

I feel I can

trust the process more, but Even so, we're even in a position now where things are still moving fast.

And there's that uncertainty, especially when you're working as

an independent musician.

And there's not,

you know, there's no record label.

Our team is very small.

We're just getting started.

And the way things are picking up, there's

that fear of the uncertainty where you don't know what's going to happen.

And I can only control the things I can and I surrender to the things I can't.

So trying to

trust the process and understand that

it'll work out however it works out is

tough because I want

I like to be able to you know have that

security, but right no the line of work that I'm in that's that's not really what I got myself into.

Right.

Totally, bro.

Look, Look, how old are you, man?

I'm 24.

Okay.

So this is the first time in your life where you've truly caught positive momentum.

Is that correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

So, dude, first of all, congratulations on that.

Most people never even get to that point.

All right.

What I want you to hear from me today is that that's normal.

Okay.

When you've never experienced something, and I want you to think about it in a different context.

Okay.

Let's take away the momentum you're creating with your business and let's just apply it to a different area of life.

Let's say you're going to go on a trip.

Okay.

And you don't have everything planned, but you know that when you go there, you want to kind of do this or that and you have a loose idea of how it's going to go.

And you go on the trip.

And before you go, you get really anxious.

I don't know about you, but I get travel anxiety sometimes.

And you start to think about like, oh man, I wonder if if this is going to go the way I want, and this, and this, and this, because you've never done it before, bro.

And then, once you go on the trip and you've been around that place once or twice, now instead of like wondering how it's going to go, you're like, oh, I can't wait.

I'm going to go to this place.

I'm going to go to that place.

I'm going to see my friends here.

I'm going to go eat here.

And you have a much more comfortable understanding of what to expect.

And so that's what's happening with you just in a different area of life.

You've never experienced this.

You've created something that you want to create.

So there's an emotional attachment to it.

And then we have this, we have this part of us, all of us have this, that sort of like

puts doubts in our head and makes us kind of, you know, hesitate and, you know,

anxious and scared.

And the good thing about you is that in the face of that, and this is really cool because you wrote this question, you saw what what happened, and now we're talking about it, but you felt that coming, bro, and you kept moving.

And that is the key.

You've learned a massive lesson here, brother.

The lesson is, is that anything that you do, if you haven't been down the path before, is going to feel very uncertain.

You're going to have doubts.

You're going to have anxiety.

And if you keep moving, like you said, the things will work themselves out.

And if you control what you you control and then surrender to the rest, things will move the way that you want to move.

The problem that most people run into is that they don't control any of the things they can control.

And then they expect to get where they're wanting to go.

And it's just pure chaos.

It never happens.

And that's why so many people have this idea.

that success you know pursuing success is this massive risk when in reality the risk is not pursuing it right um

so

it's you know i know you've already figured this out but i think it's very important for the listeners to hear this is that when you don't know what to do just keep moving forward and figure it out one decision at a time okay you handle today you handle tomorrow you handle the next day and if you do that the best that you can things tend to work out in the direction that we're trying to get and um

I would chalk this up, brother, as a very valuable life lesson because I could tell you as someone who's 20 years older than you,

you're going to run into this many times.

Okay.

When you launch a new album, when you move from doing little clubs to medium clubs to big clubs to stadiums, like these are all new things.

And this process.

of uncertainty is going to repeat itself in your life over and over and over again.

You know, when you get married, you're going to feel this way.

When you start to have kids, you're probably going to feel this way.

It's just a very natural feeling that we as humans have about never being down the path before.

And the, the, the, the problem is, is that most people just stop when they start to feel that way.

And you've already shown that you have the innate understanding to keep moving and then just handle it as it goes.

So it's very important for everybody to listen to what Riley just went through.

Because this is a situation that is not exclusive to Riley.

It's exclusive to any of us anytime that we do something new.

All right.

So I can give you examples of that in my life.

You know, when, for example, you know, we've, our big initiative right now is, is the energy drink.

Well, I mean, fuck, bro.

Like, I've never done this before.

Like, I have doubts and I'm nervous and I've got anxiety about those things.

But

how I respond to those after being in this game so long is to push hard, to make sure, to like do everything I can.

And I take all of those uncertainty feelings and all of this anxiety and all of these things that, you know, would

normally derail people.

And I use that and funnel that energy into doing every single thing that I can to make sure that the outcome is most likely the one that I'm after.

And that's all we can do, brother.

That's all we can do.

That's all we can do.

Yeah, we keep getting better.

We handle what we handle.

We push, we push, we push.

And the outcome is going to be somewhere better than where we are now.

And even if it takes longer for you to get where you want to go than what you think,

that's okay because

you go down, you know, and whatever outcome is produced, you, you then set that the new base point.

And this is another place that people quit.

People will see a project through and it didn't turn out the way that they want.

And even though they saw the project through,

they don't realize that they're not through.

This is just another place for us to regather, collect where we are, and then go again.

And so it's the constant process of pushing through the uncertainty,

seeing where we end up, evaluating that, then deciding where we want to go from here and making a new plan and going again.

And every time you go again, that same feeling that you have, Riley, is going to occur.

The best thing that we as humans can do is to use that feeling of uncertainty, doubt, doubt, anxiety about things not working out, and then channel that energy into making sure that we do the most that we can to dictate the proper outcome.

And I can tell you, dude, like when I started out on this journey of, you know, pursuing entrepreneurship and becoming successful and all these things,

bro, I mean, I thought it was fucking magic too.

Like, I thought it was, I thought it was out of my control.

I thought it was,

you know, I thought there was luck involved.

I thought there was, you know, divine intervention, and there probably is some divine intervention.

But

I believe that for sure.

Yeah.

But at the end of the day, dude, if we handle what we can handle, the chances of us not being in a better spot are almost zero.

And then we just have to choose to keep going, brother.

Well, it's interesting because

in

late December of 22, so I'm originally from Utah.

I moved here November 1st of 21

and in a year goes by in December of 22 my back goes out.

I have a torn disc in my L5S1.

I spend the next six weeks like getting myself to be able to walk.

comfortably again.

I can't reach past my knees.

That was a huge test to really see

just

if

I had the

fortitude and capabilities to keep moving forward, because especially, you know, as a musician and a drummer, I'm dependent on my body.

And so

being able to work through that, and I can now,

I can reach past my toes.

I've put in a ton of work to really focus on my mobility and keep my body in check.

check i i do 75 hard every single year i'm i'm on it right now it it's it taught me a lot and it i was really able to at least trust in myself and know that well i'm going to figure this out one way or another and so when that happened over this excuse me this summer

and i was able to see also and i knew that

I would be able to rely on my team and my brothers was because they also kept showing up and we kept showing up for each other and we never gave in.

We like we thought,

we thought we were done for.

We thought we were going to have to start over and from

square one, but

we

there, you know,

the show is real AF and I try,

I call myself a realist.

I try and

operate in reality, but there is an an element to this where that is a bit of that idealistic fantasy of where, like,

the future that I'm working towards doesn't exist yet.

And so, I have to force myself to believe that it does exist and that I don't have an option.

And so, I

twist that and use that and put that into the daily actions.

And I can only just

look at the results and know, yeah, my back went out and I handled it.

Yes, I now am in better shape than I've ever been.

Yeah, and that's badass shit, dude.

Dude, people who haven't been through a major injury don't understand how

much of a test that really is.

Like,

I'm following you, bro.

You should be very proud of that.

That's some badass shit.

You should be trusting yourself at a high level at this point.

Thank you.

And

I think that's the

biggest part that I fight myself over is because I am able to look back and say, oh, I've done this and this.

I've dropped my own EP.

I've dropped a live album.

I've done these great things that me five years ago would have been stunned.

He wouldn't have believed it would happen, but it has.

And I'm not even like, this is just the beginning.

That's right, dude.

So

I think it's the level of the standard where I try and bring myself and ground myself to be like

you're not

like you

I try and hold myself accountable so I'll to make sure I am doing enough but not get too like I guess drive myself crazy where it's you know yeah like it like it's never enough I have to be able to actually trust that what I am doing is actually

something

because I'm very hard on myself and especially with my like my back still gives me problems.

And so, on 75 hard,

I'll be mad at myself if I can't do as an extreme a workout as I want to, but I have to focus on keeping my body in check.

This isn't about breaking myself.

This is about keeping myself in the best physical condition for what I do.

It's about training your body and your mind, brother.

100%.

Yeah.

Listen, dude,

from what I'm hearing, dude, I would go to fucking war with you.

I mean, look,

you've been through some difficult shit.

You're doing something that there, where you feel like right now, there's no guarantee.

But I can promise you, dude, if you continue to show up the way that you're going and you think about it the way that you're thinking about it and you're operating the way that you're operating, you will get where you're trying to go.

All right.

And there's been a lot of other people.

I don't have a choice.

That's right.

And by the way, bro, and I say this all the time, people laugh, but like

we need heroes, dude.

We need stories.

We need people that are going to fucking build an amazing rock band out of an idea.

We need people who are going to build amazing companies.

We need people to show the younger generation what those things look like.

And so, dude, not only like you're fucking doing it, dude.

Like, it's not.

that it's going to happen.

It's happening right now.

And yeah.

And, dude, it's hilarious.

I have a class.

Hold on, bro.

Hold on.

I want to tell you something.

This is very important for you to hear.

I spent a lot of my life

wondering and working so fucking hard, wondering if I was ever going to fucking make it, dude.

And I was so serious

and so

dedicated to it.

That it cost me a lot that it didn't have to cost me.

Okay.

And

you need to understand there is no magic to this, bro.

You are executing.

It is happening right now.

I'm looking at pictures.

DJ's throwing pictures of your Instagram up here.

You're doing it.

And I had a friend one time.

We, we, I drew up my plan on what I was going to do in business.

And I was, dude, it was almost, it's crazy because like he was my age and I was your age.

And I drew up, I said, this is going to, this is what I'm trying to do.

And this and that.

And his advice or his response was fucking the exact same I'm telling you.

He's like, dude, you're doing it.

But I didn't believe him at the time.

I was like, no, it still could not happen.

It might not happen.

And I kept working.

But the point that I want you to hear

is that

you have to understand, bro, this will happen for you if you do the work.

And I don't want you to spend the next 10 or 5 or 20 years

so concerned about it not happening and not enjoying what you're doing.

Because I'm going to tell you, dude,

the building of the process is the fun part.

It's not getting there.

It's the building of it.

And it's you doing photo shoots and performances in this cool gas station that I'm looking at.

It's you doing,

it's you playing in front of, you know,

yeah,

a few hundred people.

And then, you know, five, ten years from now, you're playing in front of 100,000, you know?

So

my point is, brother, is you're fucking doing it.

And I want you to enjoy this as you do it.

That's my point.

My mom always tells me, don't rob yourself the joy of living.

Yeah.

And you can work very hard and be dedicated and still have that.

Bro, by the way, I'm looking at this photo that you posted on July 23rd of 23 where you guys are like doing that set in the gas station or it's pretty sick that's fucking that goes hard as fuck that's pretty fucking sick that's fucking that's badass

anyway

thank you man yeah brother listen man um

i've really enjoyed this conversation man and i think it's going to be very valuable to people that are that are coming up and chasing a dream just like you and

that dream that you're fucking building bro do not give up on it do not give up on it.

People don't take it like you're taking it.

They don't systematically take it seriously.

They go, they play, they think they might make it.

They party their fucking balls off.

You will make it if you keep going, dude.

You will fucking make it.

So just keep going, brother.

Yeah.

Love it, man.

Thank you, man.

Yeah.

I uh

I will say I

the thing that keeps me going and knowing that like it is going to happen

is this is my purpose and fulfillment this is what i'm put on this earth to do and with the the

sanity of what is happening in the world yeah that uh that little voice in my head will question and say like

man you're just

being musician playing music when they're with everything happening but i'm like no what i do has purpose and value massive purpose it's massive purpose bro music is one of the most important impactful forms of human relation like

fuck dude revolutions have started because of music that's the truth it's the language we all speak yeah absolutely brother

man thank you so much i i can't tell you how much you've impacted my life my uh

i'll give a shout out to my cousin derek bowler for turning me on to you in 2018.

i've been listening ever since and it has really shaped my

mentality, my approach to life.

It gave me permission to

to go hard and get after it and really shape my life into

what it is because

I am doing it.

I do feel that.

And

I'm only leveling up.

Yeah, 100%, dude.

You're 24, dude.

You're going to be a fucking legend if you keep going.

Real talk.

That's real, bro.

That's real, man.

Riley, dude, we appreciate you, bro.

Yeah, DJ, shoot me his stuff so I can follow him.

I got you.

Doing it right now.

Riley, we appreciate it, bro.

We're going to stay followed on you, man.

Yeah, I appreciate you guys.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, DJ.

Thank you to the team, everybody.

And I will promise you this: I will play Summer Smash.

Dude, I believe it, bro.

And also,

when we come to Austin, bro, we'll have to get a bite to eat or something.

Yes, absolutely, man.

I would love that.

We'll hit you up, brother.

Dude, hey, Riley.

Sounds good.

Brother, just so you know,

you're the fucking reason I do this shit.

Like, this is the reason I do this shit.

So

this is very cool for me, too, brother.

It means a lot.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I wear that bison with pride.

I know you do.

I see it.

I'm walking.

I'm watching it right now.

All right, brother.

We'll talk to you soon, Riley.

Thanks, bro.

Hey, y'all have a great day.

Thank you so much.

You too.

That's awesome.

That's fucking cool, man.

Bro, I fucking love that.

That's fucking cool.

I love that.

That's fucking sick.

Dude, it's the best shit ever.

You know, and I was like, you know what's cool about it, dude?

Is that it's outside the realm of what most people think that we talk about here.

You know what I'm saying?

Pursuing a dream, like we could, we could, we could substitute entrepreneur

for the dream, right?

Like, it's the same shit.

It doesn't matter if you're a fucking artist or an organizer or, you know what I'm saying?

It's excellence in your life.

Correct.

Whatever that is.

Whatever that is, bro.

I think it's fucking sick.

One of the things, too, I thought was really interesting.

I want to expand more on this convo.

You know, but I know you have mentioned, you know, the road, the path of success being like that hockey stick.

Oh, yeah.

You know, and he mentioned like, hey, things are kind of moving quick, right?

And I don't think this is something we've dove into, but when you get that hockey stick, that in that people are talking about, shit starts moving really quick.

A lot of things start happening.

How do you process that piece of it?

When you go for so long and there's nothing.

You fucking hang the fuck on, bro.

Yeah.

Is that what it is?

Yeah.

You hang the fuck on and hope that you don't make a fatal mistake, which, dude, the truth is there's very few fatal mistakes unless you're actually dead.

You know what I mean?

The rest of it just becomes a fucking part of the story.

So, you know, I think people, people, you know, when you're you're young, dude, and, you know, you haven't really done anything yet, you're trying to do something, people get terrified of fucking it up.

And that costs them so much anxiety and so much, you know, stress.

But at the end of the day, bro, the truth of the matter is there's very few things that you can't fuck up that you can't make an amazing part of a story from.

You know what I mean?

So these lessons that you mess up along the way end up becoming the things that give you the skills to win at a higher level.

And

you just have to possess the resilience to take those hits and take those losses

and appreciate them.

You know, and that I did a post on this yesterday, I believe, about gratitude.

You know, it's easy to have gratitude when things are going well, right?

And it's easy to be grateful when everything's good.

But the trick of gratitude is that it's most important when things aren't good.

It's most important when things are falling apart to be able to say, hey, I'm thankful to be in this position because not only am I going to learn a lot, but I have this tremendous opportunity to overcome this, which is only going to make me stronger, better, and more skilled at what I do.

And I'm in a position and things may not be going well right now, but I'm still in a very, very good position compared to a lot of people in the world.

You know, there's a lot of people who are sick.

There's a lot of people who are going to die today.

You know, there's a lot of people who, you know, they're never going to have the opportunity to even come back from what I have.

You know, those, that's when gratitude really matters, bro.

And so, you know,

when we put it all together, man, at the end of the day, it's, we're all very fortunate to have the opportunity to build, create, and become things.

And it's very sad to me that people abandon that opportunity because it's hard, right?

What the fuck do you want to do, bro?

You want to be, you just want to sit on your couch all day?

Like, that's what you want your life to be?

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

It's not, it's not a real life.

It's supposed to be hard.

Well, it's going to be hard regardless.

Yeah, but it's, but like, this whole thing, I was talking to a friend this morning, bro.

This whole instant gratification, sales, internet guru nonsense,

dude, it poisons people's mind and it fucks up their,

understanding of what it really takes to succeed.

And

it does way more harm than good because you have all these people who hear these people talk, who appear to be credible.

And then they go out in the real world and they experience something completely different that's much harder, much more difficult.

And then they say, well, fuck, I guess it's just not for me.

No, it's not that it's not for you.

It's that you were lied to about what the process actually is.

And that really hurts young people, especially today.

You know, one of the biggest advantages that I had is that I didn't have that.

You know, that's the biggest advantage.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah.

The biggest advantage that I had was that I didn't have 7,000 people a day telling me how I was going to get rich quick.

That was fucking, because there was none of that shit.

So.

You know, it's hard and it's really aggravating because what these gurus sell people,

I mean, real talk, dude.

You should not buy anything from anybody that hasn't, that cannot actually show you their business, their product, their service, and that it's outside of info, period.

If you fucking only sell info and that's all they sell, you should not buy anything they fucking sell, period.

I don't care who the fuck it is.

So it's a good rule of thumb.

And dude, that's 99% of these people.

Like you guys signing up to go sit in some fucking retard's living room and fucking have him draw on a fucking piece of paper because he's got a Lamborghini.

You're a fucking idiot.

You deserve to lose your money.

Real talk.

Like,

I don't know what to say.

It's like the first lesson of business.

I don't know what to fucking tell you.

Yeah, man.

I love it, dude.

I love it.

We got another question, man.

Let's keep it moving.

We got a

question for Andy.

Andy.

I recently turned 40.

And for the first time, I feel anxious about getting older.

I worry about missed opportunities, lost time, and whether I've done enough with my life.

I know aging is inevitable, but I want to embrace it instead of fearing it.

Is there a way I can shift my perspective and see growing older as something to celebrate rather than something to fear and avoid?

I mean, there's a lot of things that we could talk about here.

Number one, 40 is really not old like it used to be.

I mean, people are in shape.

People are healthy.

They're taking care care of themselves.

You know, we're moving into the first generation of 40 to 50 year olds that have been training since they were 18 with weights and eating a proper diet.

And so, you know, most of the people that I know that are in their 40s are actually in better shape than people that are in their 20s because they're taking it more serious.

So I actually don't see it as like that kind of aging.

So that's a good thing.

I think another good thing is that if you haven't spent the last 20 years building something, the technology exists today where you can build something much faster than what it would take someone who started 20 years ago.

That's a great thing.

I don't think there's any amount of

quote unquote bad things that happen when you get older other than

having regrets about time wasted.

And as someone who really didn't waste that much time,

you know, I still have that same feeling.

Like, I'm like, fuck, I could have done more.

I could have done more.

I could have done more.

And I think that's a feeling that anybody who has ambition is going to always feel.

You know, I don't know.

I feel like I keep getting better looking.

Like, you know,

I think there's a lot of good things about getting in your 40s, bro.

Might take a little longer to get out the bed, but, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a negative thing.

Yeah.

But no one can see that.

Yeah, right, right.

No one can see how sore I am.

You're right.

You know what I'm saying?

But, you know,

I think this is a great period of time for people who are entering their 40s or in their 40s, who do have regret about how they lived their life previously

to change those things and not waste 20 years having to change them.

You know, it used to be if you fucked off during your 20s and 30s and you turned 40, there was no chance, you know, because all the the relationships were made,

all the business was done.

You know, my dad used to tell me, he's like, people build their relationships and they make their money in their 30s.

And after that, if you don't do that,

you can't because no one wants to fuck with a dude who's 50 years old just starting out.

It's just the way it is.

But.

There's always exceptions to that.

There's tremendous stories.

You know,

fuck, you go up and down the chain.

You know, Sam Walton didn't start till he was in the the 40s.

KFC didn't start till he was in the 60s.

And there's a million stories in between of iconic men and women who built amazing things that were over the age of 40 years old.

So I think a lot of what we deal with is just, you know,

I think it's just natural regret, you know, of things that we could have, should or would have done.

But at the end of the day, you can't change those.

You got to accept them for what they are, accept what you learned from them, and then apply them moving forward.

And the good news is, is that you have plenty of time to still do whatever it is you're trying to do.

And I think 40 has never been as young as it is right now.

And

that's the truth.

Now, if you're fucking out of shape, I don't know what this person looks like.

If you're fucking fat and you're out of shape and you're unhealthy, you're going to feel like you're 60.

That does

shrink the time.

I'm 30 fucking six years old.

I was 350 fucking pounds, bro.

And I looked older then than I do now.

Okay.

10 years years older.

I'm 10 years older now than I was then.

And I look older then.

Having your physical and your mental tuned in at 40 in your 40s is an amazing thing.

And if you don't do it, you're going to feel significantly older and look significantly older.

I see people that I went to high school with and no offense to anybody that might be listening, but some of y'all look like shit.

You know what I'm saying?

Like you're not taking care of yourselves.

You're still drinking beer every day.

You're still not eating the right shit.

And anybody can tell.

And if that's how they want to live, that's okay.

But most of them don't.

And so I think it's very important to

understand that if you don't take care of those things, your quality of life is going to be terrible.

And if you do take care of those things, it's going to be amazing.

Like, bro, you know, people think, oh, 40, my, my, my youth is over.

Well, dude, I know dudes that fucking can of Reeves is 63 years old.

I mean, it's can of Reeves.

That's right.

You know what I'm saying?

It's pretty badass.

Yeah.

Like, what the fuck are we talking about, bro?

You can live a quality life and do things at any age, bro.

And just got to go.

Yeah, you just got to quit telling yourself that stupid story of, oh, I'm too old.

You're not fucking too old.

Dude, people tell themselves these two stories that cost them everything.

You know what the stories are?

I'm too young and I'm too old.

Damn.

Those are the two stories that cost everybody fucking everything.

Okay.

Because

when they're 19 and they're 20, they don't want to start because they're too young.

Nobody will take them serious

then you know when they're 30 they're like oh well you know i'm i don't know like i probably should have started that already you know but i didn't then when they're 40 they're too old so at what time is the appropriate time there right the appropriate time was 20 fucking years ago you know what the next best time is right fucking now okay so

That's the reality.

If you tell yourself you're too old, you're never going to be shit.

If you tell yourself you're too young, you're never going to be shit.

If you look at reality, there's plenty of people that are much younger than you that have been far more successful.

And there's plenty of people who have started at an older age and become icons.

So

why do you continue to tell yourself the story that obviously there's plenty of evidence that shows that it's not true?

That doesn't make any sense.

So we just got to start telling ourselves the truth.

The truth is this.

You can be a bad motherfucker in your 40s if you want to.

The Rock made most of his fucking career in his 40s.

He made most of his money in his his 40s.

I would say he probably looked his best in his 40s.

I think anybody would agree with that.

I mean, dude, there's

a gazillion examples of this.

So it's just you got to quit lying to yourself, bro.

You're not fucking old.

You're old enough to know that it's time to get going and fucking go.

I love it, bro.

Yeah, I love it.

Hello.

Jason.

Yes, can you?

Yeah, what's going on, man?

This is DJ.

What's going on, brother?

What's going on, man?

How are you doing, DJ?

I'm good.

How are you?

I'm doing amazing.

I cannot complain.

What time is it up?

We got an international caller, guys.

We're calling Sweden.

It's like 1 a.m.

there.

Is it 1 a.m.

there?

No, no.

It's like almost going to be 11 p.m.

It's been late.

All right.

What's going on man?

How can we help?

We got Andy here.

What's going on?

What's up, Jason?

How are you, bro?

I'm good, man.

How are you doing?

Doing really good.

What's going on across the pond over there?

Yeah, I'm just wrapping up a long work day.

But yeah, I wanted to call because

like right now, just kind of give some backstory.

At the moment, like I'm 19

and I got into business like when I was 16.

There's been like a lot of ups and downs this year.

But I feel like every time that things like stabilize and get better, like I just tremble or like fall down once again.

And I have to work my way up and just like keeps going up and down.

And right now I'm at a point where

I work pretty hard and kind of stabilized.

I feel like I'm less hungry for success.

than I was before.

So I want to see like what is this like a mindset shift I have to make Or what do you think?

Okay, a couple questions.

When you say that you're going up and down, is it, are you saying, like, you're taking like three steps forward and then one step backwards?

Yeah, correct.

Okay.

It's kind of like that.

Okay.

So you are, you are leveling up

at a high, you are creating a new base.

Every time this happens, correct?

No, no.

Like, previously, what's happened is now I've been, like, stable.

But it feels like I'm still, like, not growing.

But previously, what happened was that I went up and then went completely to shit.

Okay.

Destroy it.

Okay.

But now I've kept it.

But I feel like now, when I'm at this point, I'm less hungry for success than I was before,

like previously.

Okay.

And you're 19?

Yeah, correct.

All right, cool.

First of all, you need to erase this idea that you're successful out of your brain.

You're 19 years old.

It costs an immense amount of success to live a comfortable lifestyle.

Whatever you think it is that you need to be earning, you probably need to be earning 10 times that amount.

That's just the reality for a number of reasons.

One, things cost more than you think.

Two, the money is always becoming less valuable.

Three, we're going to be alive for a long time.

So the first thing that I've got to tell you is that your goal has to be expanded tremendously to restore that hunger that you are looking to restore.

Hunger happens when we have a lot of distance to cover between where we are and where we're trying to go.

When we get to a place of comfortable or close to where we think we want to be, it is a natural thing for us to feel comfortable and complacent and to not feel as hungry.

And the solution to that is going to be you expanding your goals and vision for yourself to a much bigger place.

Now,

Jason, you may not be a guy who wants to have, you know,

helicopters and fucking Bugattis and shit.

I don't know.

Are you?

Yeah, of course.

Okay, well, then, bro, good.

Because

you're going to have to make a lot of more fucking money than you're making now.

All right.

So where is that place that you need to be in order for you to have those things?

And then

you have to account for all of your friends and all of your family and your future family and what you want their lifestyle to be and how you want to take care of them.

And this is a big mistake that a lot of young people make.

They set their goals for themselves, not realizing that one, it's going to take a lot more money than what you think.

Number two, you're going to have other obligations come across your life that you don't currently have.

You're probably going to meet someone.

You're probably going to have a family.

Your family that you have now, your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister,

somebody's going to get sick.

You know, there's going to be things that happen.

And so when we're young, and I'm very, this is one of the things I did right.

This is something I always thought about.

And even though I never had kids, I always thought that I was going to.

So I always based my goal around how I wanted to have my family be, even when I was 20 years old.

And

because of that, you know, I've, I've built a very big life,

especially for my age.

Most of the people that have something of this size are 75 years old at the end of their life but because i thought about it the right way

where you still have this opportunity to think about it i was able to create something that was able to accomplish all of that and so if you want to be hungry dude you got to set bigger goals you got to set a bigger plan you got to say all right this is where i want to be

10 years from now, 20 years from now, not just one year from now or two years from now.

And then we work backwards and create a system to make that reality.

That is the, that's the big thing to restore hunger.

You've, you, you got to be real.

And, and, and dude, you know, sometimes, you know, at 19 years old, we don't have the capacity or the understanding of how life's going to play out.

So,

but you have to take it from people that have been down the path, bro.

You got to make so much more money than what you think, dude.

And what society tells us we need is just not the truth

for ambitious people that want to be financially free and successful in a real way.

Secondly, after all of that,

the up and down situation can be one of a couple things.

Okay.

There is a natural progression

that goes three steps or two steps forward, one step back or three steps forward, one step back.

That's pretty normal.

You know,

in business, typically what I try to, what I've experienced and what I've tried to coach people on, is that it's usually about three years.

Once you get the run-up going,

you'll have about three years

and then you'll have a flat year or two where you have to regroup and then you'll go on another run.

And so, the pattern, if you could visualize it,

it sort of you know goes up, then it gets flat, then it goes up, then it gets flat, and that's normal.

Um,

so, so don't put too much into

obsessing over, you know, that, you know, you go hard and then regress a little bit if that's what's going on.

Now, there's another thing that happens

that may or may not be happening here.

Only you will know.

But

you know, Jason, you know what a bell curve is, right?

Yeah, it's like the thing when it goes up and then down.

There you go.

Okay, so

I want you to visualize a bell curve, all right?

And you're you're at the front of the bell curve on the left-hand side, and you don't know shit.

You're totally ignorant to what it takes to succeed.

And you start to want to go up that curve.

And because you don't know shit,

you are very coachable.

You're looking around at other successful people.

You're watching what they do.

You're saying, all right, I'm a blank canvas, and I'm going to form myself into someone who can move up.

And they find these techniques.

We find these techniques.

We find these things

that start to move us up the curve.

And we start to have some success.

And then we say, okay, this is working.

So then we do more of these things.

And then we start to have more success.

And as that success, as you start to approach the top of the curve, something usually happens.

And it happens to everybody.

It's not just me or you or fucking, you know,

it's everybody, is that the first time this happens or the second time this happens, we

look at ourselves and we start to tell ourselves a story that really isn't true.

And what we tell ourselves is, is that we're special and we're good at what we do and we're gifted and look at this success.

It's me, but it's not you.

And it's not me.

It's the actions that we took along the way.

And so what happens is, is people let their ego start to make them believe that they are special, that it's them, and that whatever they touch will actually work.

And because they stop doing the things that got them there

and stop valuing the system that got them there, they start to go back down the other side of the curve.

And then what happens is they fall all the way down, they get to the bottom, and then by the time they're at the bottom, they're humble again.

All right, because they're like, fuck, I just lost everything.

What the fuck?

So then they start listening again.

And then they go back to the system.

And then they go up the curve.

And then the same thing happens again and again and again.

And so most people's lives look like a giant up and down, right?

Like you start to the left, it goes up, it comes back down.

It goes up, it comes back down like a wave.

And you have to break that pattern by recognizing that when you are successful and when you are doing well at the top of that curve, you have to stop and be aware and say, okay, I've been here before.

This is happening.

It's good.

What happened last time that it fell apart?

And how do I avoid that?

And the answer usually is very simple.

It's you have to continue to do the things that got you there, improve upon them, and be extra diligent about keeping your

foot on the throttle to make sure that you continue to move up as opposed to falling back down the other side of the curve.

In fact, guys, we need to work at some sort of whiteboard situation in here so I can like do that.

So for next show, let's have that.

But does that make sense to you, brother?

Yeah, that makes like a lot of sense.

And just something like I want to add, it's like, it's very true, like what you said.

when it comes to the point like where you start to get momentum and just keep going but i feel like right now like also i'm becoming like fearful of like going back down again um

There's like also something and that's like specifically related to money and then having like a fear of losing what I worked for.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, for sure, bro.

Why do you think that's a bad thing?

I don't know what it makes me...

It feels like

I can't take

the risks that I want to take.

And it feels like I'm very protective of everything.

It makes me like a bit anxious.

It feels like I'm going to lose it whenever.

Okay, so it makes you hesitate, is what you're saying.

Yeah, yeah, correct.

Okay.

That's the word.

Okay.

So, so you have to reframe this, all right, in your mind.

That,

instead of letting it make you hesitate, it should be a signal to go harder.

Okay.

When you start to feel the hesitation and you start to feel like, oh man, maybe I'm going to lose, what, what happens?

That's awareness, bro.

And that you're, you're, you're being a realist, okay?

And a lot of people will say, oh, don't think think about that because you'll fucking attract it.

And yeah, if you obsess about losing, you're going to lose.

But if it pops into your head and you get a little scared and you get a little anxious, that's your awareness telling you that I need to push forward.

I need to continue to go.

And

that.

is not a bad thing.

That's a really great thing, bro, because most people don't have that fear of losing.

And then all of a sudden they just lost and they're like, how'd this happen?

What happened here?

here right so the fear

is actually a good signal to receive because it pushes you down the path further jason i am terrified of losing bro i

i i i think about it all the time bro i don't want to lose but you know what happens when i start to feel like i'm losing these guys in here know exactly what the happen what happens

you get about 7 000 text messages in an hour shit gets going again right exactly so

yeah dude.

And they do.

Is that true or not true?

It's fucking real.

Can you guys tell when I'm starting to get fucking nervous?

Absolutely.

All right.

Because, bro, that's, and other motherfuckers won't tell you this because they want to be like, oh, I'm never scared.

I'm always on the bottom.

Well, let me tell you something, bro.

I'm scared all the fucking time.

That's why I run so fast.

You know, I don't want to go back to where I came from.

I don't want to fucking lose.

And so the minute I start to feel that, I start to do things that are productive towards where I want to go.

And

you will never eliminate that fear, brother.

It will never go away.

Even when you've gotten to where you want to go and you've accomplished everything that you've ever wanted to accomplish, you're going to still have that fear because

that's the trait of an ambitious person, someone who is a builder, a creator, and you were gifted with that.

Not everybody's gifted with that, bro.

So it's actually a really good thing that you have that as long as you don't hesitate.

And instead of hesitating, it should trigger you forward.

Does that make sense?

That makes a lot of sense.

I actually haven't thought of it before.

I usually have listened to people in mindsets and stuff.

They always say you need to be abundant and stuff like that.

There's truth to that, too.

You don't want to obsess over the fear.

Okay.

You want to feel it.

You want to accept it.

You want to recognize what it is.

And then you want to get focused on the abundance and the wealth and the success that you're going to create

by taking action.

By taking action.

You got to do something.

Yeah, you got to take action, dude.

Yeah.

So

listen, for 19 years old, man,

this is totally normal.

And unfortunately, I wish I could tell you, hey, man, it goes away after this, but it's never gone away for me.

I don't think it will ever go away for me because I think I've been implanted with some sort of drive that is just part of who I am and part of my DNA.

And one of my good friends who's been on the show before, Zoltan from Five Finger Death Punch, we were sitting in my, we were sitting in my

cigar lounge and we were having a conversation.

You were there.

And I was telling him how I was struggling sort of like with what you're talking about.

Only for me, it was I have a hard time fitting in with regular people and caring about what regular people care about because it's just not interesting to me.

And every time I try to care about it, I get miserable.

And he said something to me that was just like, it kind of reset,

it made, it fixed my mentality immediately.

He's like, bro,

did you ever think that maybe you're just a fucking warrior and this is what you're meant to do?

Because the world needs people like you.

And

it fixed my whole mentality.

And now that

anxiety and that frustration.

is just something that I've accepted about myself.

And I think you would do yourself a massive favor, brother, by just accepting that you were given the gift of ambition and drive.

And it's very important for you to fulfill that.

And you're going to feel differently than what most people feel.

Most people are going to get satisfaction from earning X amount of dollars and living a normal life and doing the regular things that everybody else does.

And unfortunately, bro, that's probably going to feel weird for you.

Because you're built differently.

And there is a true thing of people being built differently and given different gifts.

And when you're given the gift of being a builder and a creator and someone who contributes

and also, you know, as a result of the things you build, create and contribute, you become wealthy.

It's just a different life, dude.

And there's going to be anxiety and there's going to be fear and there's going to be frustration.

And as long as you know how to deal with those things properly, brother,

you're going to be one of the people that everybody looks at and says, that's why I know I can do what I'm going to try to do and i think that's the most noble thing that we can do as human beings is to inspire others through our own stories

yeah man it sounds really good like when you read something like that it's actually like kind of all positive honestly yeah so it makes me like push harder but i haven't thought of it yeah you've been giving you've been giving a gift jason

yeah appreciate it man yeah you're not like everybody

you're not like everybody else you wouldn't be calling into this show if you were

yeah yeah like i had a different path like before i dropped out of school when i was like 16 to go into like entrepreneurship and stuff like that yeah and also it's been an inspiration for it uh for me to do that as well to go all in on this well brother you're the reason

hey bro you're the reason i do this shit bro i just

you i love that we're doing call-ins now because it reminds me that like people are actually going out and executing so i appreciate that very much dude but what i appreciate more is that you have the courage to go out and do this because it's required, man.

People need to see these stories and they need to see,

you know, young Jason who dropped out of school at 15 years old to build something that he cared about.

That's going to inspire other people, man.

You know, I was never someone who did well in school either.

I couldn't do it.

I wasn't focused on it.

It wasn't something I cared about.

And hearing the stories of other people gave me hope.

It said, okay, well, maybe you're not meant for that path.

Maybe you're meant for this path.

And I spent a lot of time thinking i was up but until i found other stories of people that felt like me bro um

it was a bad situation for me mentally so like remember this

10 years from now people are going to be looking at you in your community and in your country and they're going to be saying fuck dude jason did it i could do it i'm not built like everybody i'm not getting straight a's that doesn't mean that i can't go out and build shit and it's going to be a very important thing dude and and I really have a tremendous amount of respect for anybody who decides to go do that because it's against the grain and it takes a lot of courage to do.

And I really, really fucking appreciate you doing it, dude.

Yeah, thank you, man.

Appreciate it.

By the way, I think everybody that's listening to the show should do 75 heart as well.

I jumped onto that as well.

It's freaking amazing so far.

I'm going to finish that.

I have like 20 days left.

Fuck yeah, man.

It was freaking great, man.

And I'm listening to the show every day as well.

So I love what you guys are doing there.

Thank you.

Thank you, brother.

I appreciate it, man.

We all appreciate it.

We're all sitting here.

We appreciate you, bro.

All right, Jason.

We'll catch in with you next time, man.

Yeah, thank you, guys.

Have a great day.

You too.

I love that, dude.

Bro, I fucking love hearing from these young people.

Doing it.

Dude, it's so inspiring to me.

Yeah.

It makes me feel like, dude, because you know me.

as well as anybody.

One of the biggest things I struggle with is like, does this, what we do here even matter?

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't see the people out here doing these things.

Motherfuckers in Sweden.

I know.

And that, I just love that.

Yeah.

Like, it makes me feel like, okay, well, maybe, because, dude, even if one or two people do this, if I spend 10 years and fucking one or two or five people, it's worth it.

You know, 100%, bro.

I love it, dude.

Yeah, I think the biggest piece on that, man, is making you got it, you got to dream bigger.

Yeah.

You got it.

You got to make that vision so fucking big, bro.

It's hard for people who have never witnessed that in person to do.

That's why we talk about, I think we talked about this last week too, but like people have to do

intentional proximity success.

You have to be intentional about it.

You have to go where they go.

You have to be around who they are.

You have to make friends with them.

If you have to pay to be in a network,

that's okay.

Make sure it's not one of these fucking stupid ones.

Make sure it's a real one.

But the point is, is that if you've never experienced it, you have to intentionally be around it.

And that doesn't mean anything more than proximity.

And I think the most valuable thing that people can learn from being around successful people,

and this is what I've learned, this is the biggest lesson I've ever learned about people, is that they're all normal like you and me and everybody else.

They're not special.

I used to think they were special, bro.

I used to think it was a club.

I used to think there was like a special handshake or a fucking secret knock.

And that's not what it is, dude.

It's regular people

who have huge, massive goals,

who almost always have a massive chip on their shoulder to prove something,

and they just go.

And, you know, this is why we talk about the myth of this lesson, this, this myth that goes around like, oh man, that guy did all that, but he must have had it fucking handed to him and it was so easy.

No, you stupid fuck.

The reason that these people built shit is because it was hard for them at some point in their life and they learned grit, resilience, and they had enough pain from where they came from that they want to get the fuck away from it no matter what it takes.

The people that are the most successful that are self-made are generally the ones that come from the hardest situations.

That's the fucking truth.

It is the complete opposite of what most people say.

So,

you know, if you're doing

you're trying to do shit and you see, you know, you look around, you're like, fuck, my life is so fucked.

I don't know.

Like, no, that's great.

Cause you get to unfuck it.

You know what I'm saying?

Absolutely.

And that provides enough internal drive and energy and like

fucking anger and rage and like energy to like make it happen, dude.

And eventually, you know, you get past that point.

Eventually, you get mostly past it.

You know, someone step on your toes.

That's different.

But you'll get to a point where it's very purpose-driven.

And there are purpose-driven people that start out at the beginning purpose-driven, but it's few and far between.

Yeah, I love it, dude.

I love it, guys.

Yeah, Andy, bro, that was that was three.

Yep.

All right, guys, let's go kick ass.

We'll see you when we see you.

Yeah, we're sleeping on the floor.

Now, my druid box froze.

Fuck a boat, fuck a stove.

Counted millions in a cold.

Bad bitch, booted swole.

Got her own bank rope.

Can't fold, just a no.

Headshot, case clothes, cloth.