Mom Tries To Kill Husband For "Justice" But People Think She Made The WHOLE Story Up For Custody

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A few months after beloved son, Grant Solomon, dies in a freak accident 3 more grave plots are bought next to his.

One for his younger sister Gracie.
Another for the siblings’ mother, Angie.
And the last for the patriarch of the family, Aaron.

All three whom are still, very much alive.

In fact, Angie and Aaron, now divorced, are not only breathing but they’re basically just busy hating each other. Would they really want to lay next to each other for the rest of eternity?

And what about Gracie, Grant’s younger sister who just entered her teenage years? She’s most likely going to grow up, start a family of her own and be laid to rest with them…right?

The Freedom For Gracie instagram posts about the 3 grave plots that were purchased far too prematurely. Apparently, the culprit is none other than Aaron. The patriarch. The father. The estranged ex-husband, who by the way, isn’t new to accusations…

Another glimpse at the Freedom For Gracie page provides some context: Did Aaron kill his own son Grant and is he trying to take down the rest of the family next?

Police are at a loss, the public is at a loss, until five years later when the case flips on its head.

Angie is the one sitting in prison facing charges of murder for hire.

This is the case of the Solomon family.

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Speaker 1 Bada bing, bada boop. What happens when a funeral home cannot fit a body into a casket?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a particularly niche problem that I don't think most of us would be on the receiving end of solving, but apparently Williamson Memorial Funeral Home in Franklin, Tennessee has that exact problem.

Speaker 1 And according to Andrew Solomon, she believes their solution was to break her son's ankles so that he would fit into the casket.

Speaker 1 And now this is from Daily Mail, so it could be as credible as a rock that just flew in through your window with a note. But it states that Andrew saw Grant's feet, they were contorted.

Speaker 1 This is during a private private family viewing prior to the funeral, and she demanded that the lower portion of the casket be opened so that she could see what the hell is going on.

Speaker 1 She apparently tells Daily Mail that she almost fainted when she looked inside the casket, and there was nowhere on the hospital records that indicated that his ankles were injured, but they looked like they had been broken.

Speaker 1 So it must have been done by the family home in order to fit him into the casket. No, because there's no other solution.
There's no other reason for it. There's no other answer.

Speaker 1 Then it's been alleged that someone from the funeral home told her that they broke Grant's ankles so that he could fit in there.

Speaker 1 These allegations kickstart a Tennessee Department of Commerce and Insurance board investigation. And they have at their board meeting a statement.
There was

Speaker 1 no evidence present other than the mother's recollection that the descendant's ankles had been broken. as alleged.

Speaker 1 The funeral home has said after the conclusion of the Tennessee board meeting, these allegations are intentionally defamatory, especially knowing the closure of the complaint with the Tennessee board.

Speaker 1 So ultimately, they say this is not true.

Speaker 1 There's no evidence that this has happened other than Angie Solomon's word.

Speaker 1 But others think that it's weird because just 14 months after Grant's death, Angie Solomon's son's death, the funeral home is sold to a new owner, which could point to a bigger conspiracy.

Speaker 1 Or it could just be a very normal sale. But clearly, this whole situation does does beg a bigger question.
Is Angie Solomon unwell? Is she accusing people of things that are not real?

Speaker 1 Or is there a bigger conspiracy at hand? So we've covered pretty in-depth Aaron is bad. Let's go through Angie is bad.
Aaron's big claim is that Angie is mentally unstable and has been.

Speaker 1 The judge clearly saw that in 2013 during their divorce proceedings and placed primary custody in his care. But even with that, he states that he wanted her to be part of the kids' lives.

Speaker 1 So he let let them see her more than they were allowed to see her as decided by the judge, adjudicated by the judge. And she has been planting seeds in their minds ever since then.

Speaker 1 More or less, you know, these are his claims, that Gracie has been brainwashed via parental alienation, which is when one parent

Speaker 1 alienates the child from the other parent by spreading lies and manipulating them.

Speaker 1 It's actually a pretty common thing, but, you know, to believe that her dad, Aaron, has been essaying her since she's a kid. He believes the video is part of that evidence.

Speaker 1 The court even decides that because of that video that Gracie posted, they need to place her in DCS custody because it's just quote, fear of psychological harm.

Speaker 1 When Gracie posts that video on YouTube in 2021, she was in Angie's custody.

Speaker 1 After that YouTube video goes up, Gracie is briefly taken out of Angie's care by the Department of Child Services because they think that there is fear of psychological harm being done in the household.

Speaker 1 One of Angie's former friends even tells the judge, Angie will say whatever she needs to say to get whatever she wants. She can be extremely persuasive to a grown adult.

Speaker 1 How much more can she influence a child?

Speaker 1 I am appalled that she has destroyed Gracie's relationship with her father and completely disregarded Gracie's best interest and privacy in mounting this campaign against Erin.

Speaker 1 Erin's lawsuit against Angie states that Angie and her side have allegedly shared highly confidential documents and testimony from juvenile court proceedings that contain sensitive information about their children with the intent of those those being shared online.

Speaker 1 So his whole argument is like, if she were a good mother, she wouldn't even do this. Others are arguing, well, she did go to the police.

Speaker 1 She did go to child services multiple times before resorting to this. It's not like this was the first step in her process.
So it's...

Speaker 1 People are confused, you know, I think each side has their own belief.

Speaker 1 The whole thing though, Aaron is saying, Angie is ruining Gracie's life without even considering what she's doing, all for the sake of taking him down and getting donations.

Speaker 1 He states in his lawsuit, I do not blame Gracie for these ever-changing allegations. I believe she is merely a victim of severe parental alienation by her mother.

Speaker 1 She has been hearing horrible and untrue things about me from her mother since she was a small girl. In the video, Gracie states that she's doing this on her own free will.

Speaker 1 But later in a podcast, Gracie's not there, but Angie states that because of that video, Gracie was placed in DCS custody and she says, for the video that she didn't even willingly do.

Speaker 3 For the video, she didn't even willingly do.

Speaker 1 AKA, so did she willingly do the video by her own free will, or was it not? I don't know.

Speaker 3 That's bad.

Speaker 1 For Aaron's lawsuit against Angie, he provides a lot of declarations, sworn documents by people who want to share their perspective with their judge, mainly anti-Angie perspectives, which either means a lot of people don't like or don't trust Angie, or this could be the good old boys' club at work.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I guess it's up for you to decide which one is true.

Speaker 1 The funeral director gave a declaration to the judge where they state that Angie was there with Aaron when the entire family purchased grave plots near Grant's gravesite.

Speaker 1 So she's saying, I'm so shocked that because I went online and Angie is making it seem like she came across this information and was so shocked and thought it was like, oh my God, all I could think about was murder, like he's going to murder us, basically.

Speaker 1 But the funeral director states, I asked who would be handling the financial part of the arrangements. Miss Solomon was adamant that Mr.

Speaker 1 Solomon would be handling all contracts and payment and that she would not be be responsible for the payment. Basically, saying that Angie was the one that wanted it more than Aaron, it seems.

Speaker 1 They write: any suggestion that these plots were selected or purchased without the knowledge or input of Angie Solomon is not accurate.

Speaker 1 Side note, she also states how they have strict policies of not having loose items on the grounds. Like it's very hard for them.
This is actually across most funeral homes and memorial grounds.

Speaker 1 You're not allowed, you can only have very specific vases that are usually like welded into the

Speaker 1 signage,

Speaker 1 the marker, the grave mark.

Speaker 3 You cannot put anything on next to it on there.

Speaker 1 You cannot. Like you cannot go and place teddy bears.
Okay, so typically what happens is the weekend of a funeral, you can.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 They don't want things just everywhere.

Speaker 1 But you cannot because just maintaining the ground, they have to mow the grass.

Speaker 1 A lot of people pay a lot of money for specific funeral sites because they want their loved ones' grave site to be well maintained and the grass to be lush and all of these different specific things.

Speaker 1 And so it is a strict policy that they're not allowed to have loose items on the ground. It's very hard for them to maintain.

Speaker 1 Well, for Grant's gravesite, the funeral director says in her declaration that for a long time people were leaving baseball stuff, like baseballs, loose baseballs, baseball bats, like little baseball figurines, baseball hats, like all of these things.

Speaker 1 And the funeral home tried their best to be accommodating, not just for the weekend of the funeral, but even for a little while after, because they were thinking well this is a young man who died abruptly so we want to be as accommodating towards any friends or family who are just making their way out to the grave site to pay their respects but then eventually it's like okay now we got to stop the loose baseballs and all of these things

Speaker 1 she moves the baseball items from grant's gravesite she's like i moved it and uh Angie comes in furious and she keeps accusing Aaron of removing all of the things that she left.

Speaker 1 And the funeral home director calmly states like it was me that removed it because as I've told you before you're not allowed to leave these things here and like I thought we were you knew and but anyway now you do know right she thought that was it but then quote I later found out that someone posted on social media that the items were taken off of Grant's grave and the implication was that Aaron Solomon had the items removed which again was not the case and had been explained to Miss Solomon.

Speaker 1 Now, the strangest part of this is that Angie's family supports Aaron, not Angie.

Speaker 1 According to Aaron's lawsuit, he states that during the divorce proceedings, Angie's own dad testified that Aaron never abused the kids. I don't know what that testimony means.

Speaker 1 I don't think it means anything because I think that a lot of abusers get away with abusing victims with nobody knowing. So, like, I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 But he allegedly states that he's seen Angie brainwash the kids against their own dad.

Speaker 1 Angie's former friend that testified about the whole Tim McGraw thing, you know, the country singer that fell in love with Angie, that friend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, she writes further in her declaration for the judge that Angie tends to live in her own chaotic fantasy world.

Speaker 1 Oh, so even about the whole fact that Aaron was either fired or let go or walked away from his job at the news station, that's been highly debated.

Speaker 1 Angie states that he was pushed into a corner to resign because they found inappropriate, not safer work files on his work computer and they didn't want a scandal. So he then had to quit.

Speaker 1 Aaron is saying that's not at all what happened. In fact, like I got promoted to being a morning news anchor, but they wanted restructuring to happen and they wanted me to go back to sports.

Speaker 1 I didn't want to go back to sports and Angie was the one that was like, hey, then you should go find a company that values you for what you're worth and not just stick with this company and let them bulldoze you.

Speaker 1 Angie's friend states. that that was the case.
She says, quote, you know, Angie started a very dramatic Facebook blog about the horrible things that WSMV had was supposedly doing to him.

Speaker 1 I remember thinking it was not very professional and would probably ensure that he would not be hired by any other news organization.

Speaker 1 So she's saying, like, Angie never mentioned at the time when this was happening, at least to her, that there was any sort of pictures found on his device.

Speaker 1 In fact, it seemed like she was mad at the news station.

Speaker 1 And she was going on Facebook and writing these things, which we couldn't pinpoint, but, you know, I thought it wasn't professional because then he's not going to get hired by any other news station.

Speaker 3 I see.

Speaker 1 I will say, another fellow news anchor of Aaron's posted in 2011: Dear friends, you may have noticed my longtime friend Aaron Solomon hasn't been at my side at my news desk.

Speaker 1 I wanted to let you know that Aaron has decided to resign.

Speaker 1 Some changes were coming, and although he was asked to stay with Channel 4, Aaron decided to leave and concentrate on him and his wife's business. I will miss my friend, as I'm sure you will too.

Speaker 1 I appreciate your concern and your loyalty to Channel 4. Blessings, Holly.

Speaker 3 Okay, so it sounds like there's no bad blood when it happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I think, I mean, I imagine because Holly was his morning segment fellow news anchor, so is the two of them.

Speaker 1 And I imagine if they found not safe for work things on his device, if I were Holly, but again, I don't know Holly, right? If I were Holly, I wouldn't write that. Yeah.
I'd be like, good Riddens.

Speaker 1 Like, that was crazy. Yeah.
He's not a good person, and I hope he never gets a position of power. And I hope he can never get hired anywhere else ever again.

Speaker 1 I've seen people say, well, what if he and Holly were having an affair? And I think it's like, I think if it's one person,

Speaker 1 if it's just the pastor or just Holly or just the teacher or just, but I think it becomes like a very widespread net that's occurring right now. So it's all a bad look for Angie.

Speaker 1 However, I do think this part is weird, but according to court transcripts from this particular hearing back in 2013, the judge literally states that he never hears proof from witnesses.

Speaker 1 Like that's not his thing. But he wants to bring in Angie's dad to hear from him and get his side of things, even though he normally doesn't do that.
So like, why are we doing that now, right?

Speaker 1 I don't know. The judge continues to ask Angie's dad about what happened after, and he's focusing on the shower incident.

Speaker 1 That's like the biggest thing about the divorce proceedings is did Angie try to self-exit for attention in the shower? Because remember,

Speaker 1 yeah, he's saying it was for attention.

Speaker 1 Or did Aaron try to kill her? So the judge is asking Angie's dad about what happened, even though he wasn't at the house at the time that this took place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he's being asked, and the judge is giving time to this matter, and I thought that was weird. But he doesn't even see her at the hospital.

Speaker 1 Angie's dad doesn't even see Angie at the hospital after this shower incident. So I really don't know why he's being questioned in any of this.
But he says,

Speaker 1 you know, for Aaron, he had to, when he found Angie in the shower, he had to fastly get the dryer cord from her neck. And again, I don't know how he knows this.
Is this just hearsay?

Speaker 1 Because Aaron probably told him.

Speaker 1 And that he did not have time to take a picture with his cell phone. And when he called me, he was outside the house, I think.
So remember how Aaron finds her in the shower.

Speaker 1 She comes to, she's fighting him, punching him, and is like, get off of me. And then according to Aaron, she's like, I'm going to beat you up for two hours until the kids wake up.

Speaker 1 So then he leaves the house, leaving her with the kids. And then he goes in the Kroger parking lot to call Angie's parents, which I also think is weird.
I think it's very weird.

Speaker 1 If I am having some sort of situation, I would imagine you call the police. I would imagine you call the hospital for my own well-being or something.

Speaker 1 I would think it's weird if you call my parents, especially parents if I'm not getting along with them.

Speaker 1 It's one thing if I get along with my parents, and I do, but for Angie, she never got along with her dad. She filed an order for protection against her dad before this happened.

Speaker 3 And he found her because, allegedly, he found her because she tried to self-exit.

Speaker 1 Exit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So then he leaves her alone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 For hours. Yeah.
With kids. With the kids.
And if you would think that someone is in a state of self-exiting, they could also take the kids with them.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's so weird. So it sounds like from both sides, there's some kind of altercation that happened that night.
We just don't know what exactly was the cause. Yes.

Speaker 1 And the only person that might know would be Grant. Because according to Angie's story, Grant woke up

Speaker 1 and that's why Aaron stopped trying to kill her.

Speaker 1 According to her. Yeah, but according to Aaron, neither of the kids ever woke up and he didn't want to alert the kids.

Speaker 1 The way Aaron describes it, it's almost like this type of stuff happens all the time. So it's not even like I'm going to call the police.
So it's not like a shocking moment.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like, here goes Angie again.

Speaker 1 That's how he describes it and why he's not calling the police or taking the kids or like doing something very drastic.

Speaker 1 Now, remember how Aaron just he calls, he's in the Kroger parking lot by himself and he calls Angie's dad.

Speaker 1 And Angie's dad tells the judge, you know, Aaron milled around the neighborhood, you know, until about six o'clock, went back to the house when the kids woke up so that they wouldn't be concerned, you know, why daddy was gone.

Speaker 1 We didn't go. He's talking to the judge about him and his wife.
He's like, we, we didn't go. We waited.
We just waited for time and prayed to God about this matter.

Speaker 1 And then we went to our church services that morning. In which situation would one pray and go to church after your son-in-law calls you to say that your daughter tried to self-exit?

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like you should pray. Yes, yes, that's great.
I think praying can do a lot of things. But in this specific timeframe, perhaps medical intervention could do, I don't know, a tiny bit more.

Speaker 1 He's asked, did you want to see her? The judge is like, did you want to see her eventually when she goes to the hospital? And he says, certainly. No, I take that back.

Speaker 1 I don't think it would have been good for us to have seen her at that time. I don't think that she would have wanted to see us under those circumstances.
We had to admit her.

Speaker 1 He also admits, I think she's just a very nervous individual. Describe how, right?

Speaker 1 When we're sitting around a lot of times and we're talking, she is fooling with her fingers. She could just be so bored of you.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 But he continues, and this is something that's prevalent with her for some time, and I'm just

Speaker 1 lost for any other descriptions, Your Honor.

Speaker 1 I have no idea what finger dexterity and fidgeting and the association with nervousness, but he continues. And it's just weird.
A lot of netizens say it's a conflicting feeling.

Speaker 1 On one hand, these testimonies don't do Angie favors, but they also kind of don't do Aaron any favors.

Speaker 1 Especially the fact that the judge at the time states that he found Angie's dad to be very vague, but still credible. Vague and credible.

Speaker 1 Those are two words that are typically not put together in a way that makes people feel reassured.

Speaker 1 Then later on in the custody battle and divorce proceedings, Angie is ordered to undergo undergo a forensic mental health examination ordered by the judge.

Speaker 1 The judge also chooses which doctor would see Angie. Dr.
Freeman. Dr.
Freeman allegedly states that Angie is fine and well. The judge throws out the examination.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 that's weird.

Speaker 1 According to Angie, the judge does this for no reason at all that she can understand. Just decides, never mind, I'm not going to use this as a factor of my consideration for anything.

Speaker 1 Forget we ever did that. That's not the only thing the judge refuses to let into evidence.

Speaker 1 But according to Angie's side, quote, the judge would not let this be presented because he looked at Angie and said, you wrote this yourself. You are immensely ill.

Speaker 1 If you send one more letter to me, I'll have you thrown in jail.

Speaker 3 That's crazy. Yeah.
That's according to Angie, though. Yeah.
Not court transcript.

Speaker 1 No, according to Angie. That's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, there are parts of the court transcript where the judge is like,

Speaker 1 I think you're lying to me. I think you're lying to me.
And I think you're you're unwell. Yeah.
I will say not helping Angie's case is that this person who wrote this letter wants to remain anonymous.

Speaker 1 So it's not like it could be easily cleared up right now, whether or not the judge is right. However, the letter reads in short, my name is blank.
redacted. I'm writing to share my concerns.

Speaker 1 It goes on to talk about how Aaron is not a great coach at kids' sports games. However, Angie is a great coach at kids' sports games.

Speaker 1 And then, quote, comments from citizens reflecting Aaron's behavior have been the following. Something's not right about Aaron.
Secretive, sneaky, shifty. He has a lack of eye contact.

Speaker 1 He's awkward, and he's untrustworthy. So it's slightly vague.

Speaker 1 I don't think that it would have been helpful regardless, but the judge doesn't allow it, even though other vague things have been allowed, like the finger fidgeting.

Speaker 1 However, I will say the judge is weird.

Speaker 1 At one point, Aaron's defense attorney, while questioning Angie's dad on the stand, who is clearly not doing his daughter any favors, the defense attorney asks, or the attorney asks him, does Angie lose lose her temper easily?

Speaker 1 Angie's attorney objects because that's a very leading question, to which the judge responds, it's close, but I'm going to allow it. I'll allow it, Auntie Beth strikes again, okay? So they allow it.

Speaker 1 And Angie's dad responds, yes, she does. However, the judge is like, can you give us a specific example of how she loses her temper easily? And he says, I believe my son-in-law has briefed us on.

Speaker 1 I'm asking things like you have witnessed. The only time she lost her temper with me was on the the phone the last conversation we had.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 so does she lose her temper easily or just one fucking time? That doesn't sound like someone that has a short fuse. The judge then asks him, what part of her behavior was causing concern?

Speaker 1 Because her dad testifies it didn't feel safe for her to be around the kids. He doesn't even feel safe taking a nap if she's in his house.
The judge is asking, like, is she hallucinating?

Speaker 1 Is she seeing things that don't exist? Is she paranoid? Like,

Speaker 1 does she think people are out to get her? Oh, yes. Yes.
Give me an example of that. I just wish I could recall them.

Speaker 1 She's always had a very jealous heart towards her husband, feeling that he was always involved with other women. And

Speaker 1 she's expressed to us a lot. And, you know, I don't know what kind of illness that would be, under what entitlement that would be under, but Your Honor, I just can't give you an exact illness.

Speaker 1 I know, I just, I know that I would be very concerned with her being with my grandchildren at this time. To which Angie's attorney pipes up and is like, um, what if Mr.

Speaker 1 Solomon was having contact and communication or relationships with other women? What if your daughter was really telling you the truth about that?

Speaker 1 Ma'am, I'm a man of the Bible and I believe in truthfulness. And I try to, you know, I just despise in my life constantly hearing turmoil.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So my feeling about the dad is even if the abuse is happening, he's not one to listen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That tells me everything I need to know about the dad.
So like that tells me his entire testimony means nothing, at least to me personally.

Speaker 1 Constantly hearing turmoil and this going on and that going on and this going on. And I just, I just asked you, sir.
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Speaker 1 But after all of that, the judge states that Angie can no longer bring new claims against Aaron for at least six years until Gracie is at least 18 years old.

Speaker 1 A judge declares that Angie is an abusive litigant and blocks her from fighting Aaron in court until six years later,

Speaker 1 which is incredibly aggressive, right?

Speaker 1 But it is stated in Aaron's new lawsuit that a lot of it has to do with the fact that during their divorce, someone had reported to the Department of Child Services, like during the divorce proceedings, that Erin Solomon is abusive.

Speaker 1 And they investigate and they close the case. They don't find any abuse.
Doesn't mean that there was an abuse, but they state that they don't find any abuse.

Speaker 1 Now, Aaron Solomon is like, I'm pretty sure Angie did that to get the upper hand during the custody battle. Angie testifies on the stand.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 So the judge orders DCS workers to report who made the initial accusation, and they more or less state that it was exactly Angie Solomon.

Speaker 1 The report from the divorce courts read, the court finds that Ms. Solomon has not been honest with this honorable court as it relates to the referrals to the Department of Child Services.

Speaker 1 She, in fact, made the reports herself.

Speaker 1 Which, again, does that mean Angie is insane and is willing to do anything to win this divorce and custody battle, such as bring forth false allegations against Erin?

Speaker 1 Or does it mean that Angie is so desperate for someone to finally protect her and the kids that find she lied about it because nobody believes her?

Speaker 1 So why would she say she reported it because nobody believes her. I guess it's up to you because we are all legally allowed to have our own opinions.

Speaker 1 That is, we're not allowed to have free health care, but we at least get free opinions in this country. So, that's fucking great.

Speaker 1 But later, the court documents reportedly read that it will not be ordering parental time with Angie because, quote, the court's great concern with the false statements made and Ms.

Speaker 1 Solomon's overall lack of honesty with this honorable court since these proceedings first began. The most damaging testimony to Mrs.
Solomon came from Mrs. Solomon herself.
Simply stated, Mrs.

Speaker 1 Solomon, I do not believe you.

Speaker 1 And I will say there are some parts where it is harder to believe Angie in the transcript.

Speaker 1 So during the divorce proceedings, Aaron's attorney confronts Angie and states, You told the judge that you don't have any money. Because that's the whole thing.
Like they do fight over money in 2013.

Speaker 1 You told the judge you don't have any money, but you raised $17,000 over the internet. So this is in 2013.
This is before most of the nation even knew about the Solomon family.

Speaker 1 But you raised over $17,000 over the internet by telling people that he stole your babies.

Speaker 1 So she allegedly went on Facebook and alleged that Aaron Solomon kidnapped the kids from her. And she needs money to get them back.
So allegedly, people donated $17,000.

Speaker 1 And what did you do with that money? And she says, first of all, I didn't tell anyone I needed $17,000.

Speaker 1 Did you raise $17,000? No.

Speaker 1 How much did you raise? So far, I've only been able to acquire $3,900. So some people are pointing to this and connecting it with, it does seem like she's always looking for donations.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the judge is upset with her mainly because

Speaker 1 the judge is saying, why would you write on Facebook that he kidnapped your babies? Because I signed the restraining order.

Speaker 1 So technically, you weren't allowed to be around your kids. So like, technically, if anyone's to blame, it would be me.

Speaker 1 But you went online and wrote that your ex-husband kidnapped your kids or like your husband kidnapped your kids. And then she like states that her Facebook was hacked.

Speaker 1 And so that's like really not a good look.

Speaker 1 But probably.

Speaker 1 The part that reflected the worst on Angie in the divorce is the shower incident. Remember how in part one, Angie kept saying her version where she alleges that Aaron tried to kill her.

Speaker 1 Aaron's version is that Angie tried to self-exit. Well, during the divorce, it comes up a lot.
And according to the lawsuit, Solomon v.

Speaker 1 Solomon and transcripts from the original Solomon divorce proceedings, which we were able to get our hands on, Angie allegedly sent messages to Aaron immediately after the incident.

Speaker 1 Text messages that read, quote, but it's over for me now. You live with it.
I'll always be watching over you. So this is my last writing on this earth.

Speaker 1 Quote, I guess I will prepare for what exists on the cow, for the cowards on the other side. And with religion, there is usually a connotation of self-exit being a cowardly thing.
Right.

Speaker 1 And frowned upon. So the word coward is heavily debated.
She writes, I am not trying to self-exit. I made a bad choice for attention.

Speaker 1 So now it's almost insinuating that it was not a self-exit attempt, but it was a fake self-exit attempt for attention.

Speaker 1 But I accept responsibility for that choice and I have learned why I did it and won't repeat it. I'm hysterical and I'm ending it all.
You are gone and you took my babies again.

Speaker 1 I won't be alive through this day. I found one bullet in the chamber and I left a note for the babies.
I can't live this way. I called mom and I told her and dad goodbye.

Speaker 1 I never wanted to hurt myself, but I can't stand this pain and you won't talk to me. You took my children.
Again, I hope one bullet does the trick because I'm not sure I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 I guess this is for old Ange. I'm scared to do this, but I can't live without you, Gracie and Grant.
Here goes.

Speaker 1 Then another thread where Erin texts Angie, and I have a picture of you in the shower when you tried to self-exit with the blow dryer.

Speaker 1 Angie responds, oh, Erin, you took a picture before you tried to help me. That shows me where this has gone.
Just go find another. I staged that anyway, but who cares? Use it against me.

Speaker 1 Now I'm a complete wreck. I won't be making any field trip or to the school.
I'm beyond hysteria. I gotta calm down.
All I wanted was to be loved, nothing more.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, I wouldn't kill myself, but you would memorialize my faking it to get attention and use it against me instead of loving me.

Speaker 3 That is crazy. So that was that came out during the divorce.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Angie states she doesn't recall sending these messages. She just knows that Aaron is the one that put the cord around her neck.

Speaker 1 Then she's presented with another text message that reads, I'm hysterical. I'm going to end it.
And she says, quote, I do not recall sending that.

Speaker 1 I did not see anything on here that says that I sent that. So

Speaker 1 they have a recess. where the judge is like, I'm going to go eat my sandwich in the back in the chambers.
And I'm going to, Angie, give me your phone.

Speaker 1 What? So they take Angie's phone and they find the text messages.

Speaker 3 They scroll back and wow.

Speaker 1 She says then, I don't recall saying that,

Speaker 1 but if I did, I just said it because I knew it would bring him back home with the kids.

Speaker 1 So I just said it because I knew that's the only way he would get back.

Speaker 1 There is a text message from Aaron to Angie around that time that reads, please don't do anything drastic. I love you.
The kids love you. You need to get more help.

Speaker 1 Seriously, I'm worried about you, which some people believes goes to Aaron's argument that Angie is unwell and is constantly doing these types of things and accusing him of things and

Speaker 1 is unfit. Then Aaron's attorney presents another email that Angie allegedly sent Aaron that reads, I'm not wanting to self-exit.
I made a bad choice for attention, but I'm accepting it.

Speaker 1 And so she's asked, what are you talking about in this email?

Speaker 1 And she states, in order for Aaron to stay at home with me, I had to take ownership of what happened tell us what you're taking ownership for like the what bad choices are you taking ownership for Angie's explaining that in their marriage, when anything goes wrong, any sort of violence takes place, she has to take ownership and fault for it in order for him to come back.

Speaker 1 And all she wants is her kids to come back because she doesn't trust him with their kids alone. So she's saying, this is just because this is what needs to be done.

Speaker 1 I will say a lot of netizens understand to some degree.

Speaker 1 They say that in toxic abusive relationships, the abusive partner will have you saying things or taking responsibility for their abuse by saying that you will work on not triggering them to violently assault them.

Speaker 1 Things of that nature. So she's stating that's the only reason that this happened.

Speaker 1 Now, the reason that a lot of netizens are a little conflicted about whether or not to believe Angie in this scenario, particularly, is that she doesn't just outright tell the judge that.

Speaker 1 I think perhaps, maybe if she had said, hey, this is what happens because A day, B, C, and D. But then others are arguing, well, maybe she kind of tried, but she's not that good with communication.

Speaker 1 She's not that good with expressing what's happening. Maybe she's just discovering that she's being abused.

Speaker 1 So it's just a very, it's hard for her to put into words why this is happening to her, what's happening. But she does state like, that's how I would get him to come back.

Speaker 1 But others argue if that's the case, why did she lie and say she doesn't remember sending them? But maybe she doesn't remember sending them, but they were on her phone.

Speaker 1 So it's, it's just all sorts of complicated. And then the judge does something that is annoying.
The judge asks her, why did you even want him to come back?

Speaker 1 And she's like, because the kids, and I don't know, like, she doesn't have a good reason, which again, like a lot of people in abusive relationships don't have great reasons.

Speaker 1 But the judge is like, and this is the man who you said put a cord around your neck and you wanted him back? So the judge, I think,

Speaker 1 is not particularly my favorite judge, does not seem to have, at least in my opinion, the best understanding of toxic abusive relationships whether it is Angie and Aaron or if it's not but it's just um why why would you ask that he continues to ask why would you want that man back I wanted him back because I love him I loved him then but what you're saying to me doesn't make any sense these are all the reasons why people are starting to, even in 2025 after Angie's arrest, are starting to turn on Angie and they believe that there's a lot that she's hiding that we don't know about.

Speaker 1 And they're hoping that potentially a criminal trial, a trial for murder for hire plot will bring answers finally.

Speaker 1 A lot of people believe that there are too many unproven claims going in too many different directions.

Speaker 1 Angie has accused Aaron of being part of that high-powered sex trafficking ring and then we never really hear much of it ever again. We hear that he was

Speaker 1 on top of being accused of being an abuser who has manipulated, tortured, and assaulted his family for years.

Speaker 1 Also, potentially he took pictures of her while she was on drugs and positioned her body and then showed those pictures to third parties.

Speaker 1 And also, that he was drugging women on a large scale whilst he was working as a bartender.

Speaker 1 Freedom for Gracie posts on Instagram a picture of Aaron wearing a tutu and Halloween makeup, making a drink, and the caption reads, This was Halloween. But Aaron worked as a bartender at night.

Speaker 1 Even as a professional businessman, he continued bartending. Post-divorce, Angie has heard stories that Aaron drugged women back in these days before people knew what it meant to be roofied.

Speaker 1 We don't really have any other claims or other people coming forward.

Speaker 1 I mean, sometimes the Freedom for Gracie Instagram page will say people have come forward, but we don't really get more information out of it.

Speaker 1 And normally I would say I would feel inclined to believe it, but obviously with highly contentious divorces and custody battles,

Speaker 1 I've seen people say absolute insane things about their ex-partners, you know, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 Aaron claims that all of this is not even just to destroy his reputation, but quote, it's part of a concerted commercial scheme to sell products and raise money for Angie Solomon by misleading consumers with false statements to generate sympathy.

Speaker 1 And for the longest time, Aaron Solomon was silent. And a lot of people took that silence as as guilt.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people were thinking, why would you not come forward and say, these are not true? Like, this is not me. And Aaron Solomon was arguing that he did with the community.

Speaker 1 He did with people he cared about. He didn't feel the need to do it on a national scale.
But eventually, after Angie Solomon's arrest, Aaron is featured on two episodes of a Good for Grief podcast.

Speaker 1 It's a very small podcast done by one of Aaron's friends. I believe they also attend Grace Chapel Church.
And so this is not just like an unbiased, confrontational podcast interview.

Speaker 1 This is not testing the theories, testing the evidence type of interview. It's not investigative.
It's completely, um, here's my friend.

Speaker 1 I'm I'm just going to use your platform to say what I want to say, which is, you know, fine, but it's an interesting podcast. It's an interesting listen.

Speaker 1 He's asked in that podcast if he feels relief in the strange sense of the word, because the way that Angie was arrested,

Speaker 1 the podcast host believes that this shows the public, this shows the people who was the crazy one in the relationship. Aaron does start getting emotional.

Speaker 1 He says, I don't know if relief is the right word because it's hard to hear. No matter what, you know, the mother of your children and the person you married speaks so easily about wanting you dead.

Speaker 1 That's very hard to hear. It's hard.
He says it's validating in some ways.

Speaker 1 He says, quote, it's also somewhat alarming and disturbing how many of her supporters still want me dead and speak outwardly about it online.

Speaker 1 And you're like, you know, my head is on a swivel every day and that's not fun.

Speaker 1 He says he hasn't spoken to Gracie, his daughter, in five years. He says, my heart hurts of her because

Speaker 1 I can't remember if I said this before, but with all that's gone on, I feel like I failed in not protecting my daughter from what has happened to her via her mother from a mental perspective.

Speaker 1 He says, you know, this whole time I've been very quiet. I wasn't sure it would benefit her at all for me.

Speaker 1 And for both parents to be out there on social media or on a podcast or on a blog or a TV show or a documentary or whatever, I'm kind of saying my side, you know, although there's been plenty of times where I wanted to.

Speaker 1 So he's saying he never really spoke up prior to Angie getting arrested because he felt like it would not benefit Gracie.

Speaker 1 I guess it would feel like it wouldn't accomplish a whole lot, but it might help and feel good, I guess, for the main thing is if it could help my daughter see the truth, to have the truth out there, that could be a plus.

Speaker 1 That's really the main reason I'm doing this. So he's saying now that Angie's been arrested, maybe this is like another additional way of,

Speaker 1 maybe after Angie's arrest, he's saying maybe Gracie is opening her eyes. And this is like, hey, here's a very easily available truth out there, his version of the truth, right?

Speaker 1 He says that he's grieving the loss of both of his kids, quote, and being a dad was the coolest, most important thing in my life and it went away quickly.

Speaker 1 And so the darkness and the abruptness of that is hard.

Speaker 1 And to feel, like I mentioned before, the day of my son's accident, the helpless feeling of not being able to protect and help and recover and fix and to try and not be able to help that and not be able to help my daughter in a different, but also very dramatic way is very hard to deal with on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 Aaron says that he hopes in a way that if there is a criminal trial for Angie, he says he hopes a lot of the truth will will come out.

Speaker 1 I will say the podcast episodes, I mean, it's hard because both the parents, when I listen to them on most podcasts and interviews, they seem very rational people.

Speaker 1 They seem like they've got their head on straight.

Speaker 1 Angie all the time seems like she's got her head on straight, except when she's kind of saying things that don't align with other things we've heard, such as Gracie saying that she's posting that YouTube video on her own free will.

Speaker 1 and then later Angie is saying that she didn't want to do it so those are the times where I kind of raise my eyebrows at Angie in her podcast interviews but otherwise I never get this sense that she is this weird attention-seeking narcissistic mother who would manipulate her children.

Speaker 1 I don't get any sense of that. And then with Aaron, I actually don't get, I don't think you can get a sense of whether someone is a predator.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Like, I think if you say you can, it's very difficult.

Speaker 1 So that's, I don't even want to say that I'm judging that, right?

Speaker 1 Not saying that he is or is not. I'm just saying like,

Speaker 1 it's not something that I would sit there and be like, let me see if someone is a predator when they talk about something random. Right.

Speaker 1 But I don't get like this very conniving vibe from him either. What I get from him is

Speaker 1 he seems like the guy that just lets things happen. And like not in a good way.
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 He seems like when I listen to the podcast, I'm like, okay, okay, well, maybe it makes sense that he doesn't want to sue toy. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, on one hand, he seems litigious, but on the other hand, he seems like the type of person that's like, oh, well, moving on.

Speaker 1 My son died suspiciously. Oh, well, moving on.
He doesn't seem meek. He just seems like, I don't know if it's a lack of care.
I don't know if it's a lack of parental care. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But even when he talks about Grant's death, I will say this is the parts where I'm like, that's weird. He says, Angie's trying to blame his death on something.

Speaker 1 And I was literally having this conversation with somebody else earlier today. It was just a freak accident.
You know, that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 It was just a freak accident that it can't be anything other than it was. I've always been a believer that things happen for a reason.
We're not in control at all.

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Speaker 1 And he says, as for the 911 call, I mean, when I first glanced down and first saw Grant under the truck, I almost fainted. My knees went neek.
I went to the ground,

Speaker 1 but pulled up my phone and called 9-1-1. So, I mean, I literally tried not.
I was going to hyperventilate. You know, we just had to get people there.

Speaker 1 He also states, quote, at the accident scene, I didn't, I mean, the last thing on my mind was that he wouldn't be alive. I knew it was bad.
I just knew it was bad that we needed professionals there.

Speaker 1 But the last thing on my mind is that he wasn't alive or wasn't going to make it.

Speaker 1 As for the funeral, he spoke at the funeral, and a lot of people have things to say about it. Which I tend to agree with.
It is a little weird.

Speaker 1 He goes up onto the podium. See, I don't know.
I can talk myself into both things.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's him trying to be

Speaker 1 stoic and not get super emotional on the podium. So he falls into that newscaster role, but it's a lot of strange hand usage.
He's like, as some of you guys may not know, I'm Grant's dad.

Speaker 1 I just want to thank you. for being here

Speaker 1 and all your words have been so supportive to us.

Speaker 1 You know, but then some people point out when his hands are clasped together, you can see that it looks like they're shaking.

Speaker 1 He definitely doesn't seem super natural. He's not on the podium like, I want to thank everyone and giving, you know, his hands.

Speaker 1 It's like a very uncomfortable usage of hands, whether it's nervousness, whether it's emotions, I don't know. It is weird, but is it weird because he's grieving? I don't know.

Speaker 1 There are other parts, and he was just saying that for the funeral. He was trying to be strong.
He was trying to be strong for Gracie, but also Angie.

Speaker 1 And in the funeral speech, he does talk about Angie and he brings Grant into Angie and talking about how Grant loved being held by Angie when he was younger.

Speaker 1 And so it seems like, on one hand, I can see him trying to, yeah, although we've been through a lot as a family, like let's try to come together for this very difficult moment.

Speaker 1 And I even want to show my ex-wife that I'm trying to be there for everyone. But on the other hand, it's also like, I don't know, the accident is so weird.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of moments where he's very vague in that interview and that podcast, and he just says things that maybe i personally don't get but also the same could be said for angie in an interview angie is asked why would authorities cover for aaron solomon if what you say is true if the forensics show otherwise why would anybody cover for your son's father and she responds in a way that a lot of people find problem with because it's just so vague and she says I mean, that's the question is who is Aaron Solomon?

Speaker 1 Who is he really?

Speaker 1 And really, what you're seeing here is in the sadness of Grant not being here any longer, it's just a pattern, just a continuation of the pattern of life that we've lived from 2013 till the day in July 20th, 2020, under Aaron Solomon's control.

Speaker 1 It's just a continuation why no one helped ever at any point, why no one stopped and stepped out of the circle and helped Gracie and Grant, just his children on their own.

Speaker 1 There's a forensic evaluation and interview on file at the Williamson County Sheriff's Department that was arrestable and they let it go.

Speaker 1 I don't know. So, if one adult had done their job, Grant would have been able to step in and do the job that adults are supposed to do.
So, some people thought it was a little vague.

Speaker 1 Some people thought that there are points where, in different podcasts, I've seen at least two different times that this has happened, where someone, the podcast host, will compare Aaron Solomon to the Murdoch family.

Speaker 1 Also, a southern family, also a highly influential southern family.

Speaker 1 I think the Murdochs are actually influential.

Speaker 1 I don't know how influential Aaron Solomon is, but there are times that people have pointed out that she kind of smiles at the comparisons, the analogy, the tying of the two names together.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. Some people think that's weird, but also Aaron is weird too.

Speaker 1 I think Aaron, during the interview, the podcast interview, he has these really weird emotional moments where when he talks about what it's like with Grant being gone, I will say he's emotional throughout the entirety of the podcast.

Speaker 1 And there are other times that he's emotional. But in regards to Grant, he's talking about how Grant being gone, quote, he's got so many friends that are still doing well in baseball.

Speaker 1 So I'm seeing a lot of his friends doing awesome things in their baseball. And a guy that he played with just got called up to the big leagues.

Speaker 1 And another one that he beat in a state tournament as the sophomore just got to the big leagues. I've got all that coming at me every day, too.

Speaker 1 I've just been a heavy time in just so many different angles. So yeah, there's that.

Speaker 1 People think this is evidence that all Aaron cared about was Grant's baseball career. Others argue that Aaron just happens to be a sports guy.
So this is the way he communicates is through sports.

Speaker 1 And maybe this whole thing is him saying that the potential that his son had in life. So it's like...
The potential is gone because, you know, his life is gone.

Speaker 1 But others are arguing, see, like he literally only cares that Grant's friends are doing well in baseball and he wishes his son was here to do well in baseball. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's just up for debate. A lot of people are just commenting different things.
One netizen just brings up the 911 call and says, that's really the only thing we have to go off of. And dad is too calm.

Speaker 1 And with the mom in podcast, she lies and cries without tears. And I find them both sick.
And I just think, poor kids. Another comment reads, this feels like when it's all about me.

Speaker 1 Couples collide. It was never about the children.
It's always about winning. R.I.P.
Grant, and I pray for Gracie.

Speaker 1 Another netizen comments, imagine having a possible psychopath as a dad and a pathological liar as a mom for parents. Poor kids.
So where are we now?

Speaker 1 Aaron has since long dropped his defamation lawsuit against Angie. This was in 2023.
And now Angie is awaiting a potential criminal trial. She is out on bond.

Speaker 1 During her bond hearing, the judge says, I have to say that I have deep concerns about the defendant's ability to see the situation she's in right now.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to reduce the bond to $250,000 only on the condition that she's under house arrest.

Speaker 1 Plus, you're going to have to remove all telecommunications devices and internet devices from the residence.

Speaker 1 And if somebody slips her a telephone, they're going to be, she's going to be right back in jail. The only exit she would have is to be to come to court.

Speaker 1 That's the only time she would be allowed to leave the premises.

Speaker 1 And then he looks to the prosecutors and says, I guess you could set up a jamming device outside her house like the North Koreans.

Speaker 1 Weird comment, but a lot of people have been arguing about this. Some people say that this is actually a, she doesn't, no one has a right to bond.

Speaker 1 Like just so everyone knows, some people are arguing nobody has a right to post bail. Like the judge can deny bail for anybody.

Speaker 1 If you are suspected of committing a crime, especially with Angie, there's an audio recording of her committing a crime. It's there's enough evidence.

Speaker 1 Like she, there's no right any American has to be let out on bail. It's up to the judge.
So that's one argument.

Speaker 1 Others are arguing this is really inhumane because if you don't have a single phone in the house, what do you do if there's an emergency? What if there's a fire in the house?

Speaker 1 What if you trip and fall and you hurt yourself? Like you can't even call 911. So that has been a huge debate of people going back and forth.

Speaker 1 And then of course the other party will tell that party, well then just go to jail then where you have a phone. So it's it's been back and forth.

Speaker 1 She is out on bond and Angie's attorney tries to argue that Gracie should be able to have her phone in the house. So Gracie is 18 at this point.
so there's no longer an argument about custody.

Speaker 1 And so she's with Angie and the attorney is like, well, Gracie needs her phone. She needs to, maybe she can just use her phone in one room of the house.

Speaker 3 So Gracie's is in the house.

Speaker 1 Yes, it seems like it.

Speaker 3 So that means Gracie also have no internet, no phone, no access.

Speaker 1 I think Gracie is now going to stay with a friend of Angie's. Because the judge is not having it.
He says, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 It's either all gone or I'm not doing this at all. Whether your daughter can go stay with that other lady or not, he's like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 So, with that, we're just going to have to wait and see what comes out of this.

Speaker 3 So, I'm so sorry. Yes.
What is Angie facing?

Speaker 1 Just a murder for hire charge.

Speaker 1 Probably, like, probably will plead guilty. I think so.
I don't think there's going to be a criminal trial. I think she'll plead guilty.
I think she'll get 8 to 30 years is usually the sentencing.

Speaker 1 But if you plead, you're looking probably on the lower end of eight-ish, but a lot of people have been given 20.

Speaker 1 Wow, so like five to twenty is what I said, yeah.

Speaker 3 And do you know exactly what happened?

Speaker 1 Like, she just went on Google, like no, so there was a civilian, so I guess she had been asking around, or some like maybe she asked someone, and they were like, I know someone.

Speaker 1 So, a civilian comes to the police, they go to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations, and then they get an undercover agent.

Speaker 1 And there was actually a civilian in yeah involved in all of this in undercover I guess they went undercover oh so they're like oh yeah I know a guy who works with my buddy John and so I'm gonna introduce you to this guy wow

Speaker 1 so this is like just a neighbor

Speaker 1 just like a regular suburban person who is like oh I'm not gonna I gotta go to the cops So

Speaker 1 Angie though is awaiting a criminal trial. I feel like there's probably gonna be some sort of plea deal.
I don't think that there's going to be a trial.

Speaker 3 If she pleads guilty, then we probably won't have any more answers for anything.

Speaker 1 Nothing, yeah.

Speaker 3 But if there is a trial,

Speaker 3 then we will know a lot more.

Speaker 1 Yes, we'll know a lot more, but it will still be limited considering you can't use your own trial where you're the defendant to bring a...

Speaker 1 It's hard to get... things against Erin admitted.
Right. You know, so it'd be a little difficult.

Speaker 1 I imagine that there would be a lot of legal barriers that the prosecutors would try to block to bring up all these different things that would be against Aaron, right?

Speaker 1 Because then you're basically saying, well, the victim deserved it. So I was trying to kill him.
You know what I mean? So I think that there's that.

Speaker 1 But I mean, we'll know a lot more than we know now, I imagine, with a criminal trial, but I don't think it's going to go to trial. I hope.

Speaker 1 it does just for the sake of so many people have donated money. So many people have been so invested in this case.

Speaker 1 And just just if something did happen to Grant, that's probably the best shot to get an open investigation.

Speaker 1 That's probably like the best shot to get any sort of extra information to force the police to get an investigation.

Speaker 1 So I do hope that I'm wrong and I do hope that there is a criminal trial, but I think it's unlikely.

Speaker 3 You said there's a gag order on the whole family?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the whole family is under a gag order. And even if they weren't, I mean, it's probably advisable that they would not talk.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Angie has previously said about Grant's death, there has to be a way, with all the ways involved in covering this up, there has to be a way to carve out what happened to Grant.

Speaker 1 We had a child die and no explanation for it. We have one witness and that witness's story cannot be true.
So if not that, then what?

Speaker 1 Which interestingly, like two months ago. Well, end of October.
Two of the witnesses from the car accident have been located. They've come forward to the police.

Speaker 1 We don't know what they've said, but they were out of state. They were driving through the state.
They were working in Tennessee and they were out of state. They weren't keeping up with social media.

Speaker 1 They weren't following these YouTube channels and podcast episodes. They didn't know what was going on.
They didn't know what they saw was that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 They didn't even know if Grant Solomon was dead or alive. They just like helped, and the truck couldn't come up.
And so it was a whole thing. And then they left.
That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 Now, five years later, they're saying, oh, sorry, we didn't know. But like, hi, here we are.
Wow. So, it should be interesting what they have to say as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they might be the only people that have something to say that might be worthwhile.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But what are your thoughts on this case? I mean, it's such a confusing case. I will say that when I first went into it, all I've heard was that everyone's on Angie's side.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of like where I initially thought too, right? And then people start changing their minds. And I started seeing more and more as time was developing of people questioning both sides.

Speaker 1 So it's been interesting to see how even the

Speaker 1 net as an opinion has been shifting. So, like in 2020, I recall everybody was on Angie's side.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Without more information,

Speaker 3 I don't even want to make anything because who knows what's going to, what really happened here.

Speaker 1 And I also do think that one thing I want to clarify is being on Angie's side or not believing Angie or believing Angie has no correlation with whether or not you believe Gracie.

Speaker 1 I think regardless, Gracie should be believed. I think that she's ultimately a victim in some way, shape, or form.

Speaker 3 Every scenario, like she's sad,

Speaker 1 every situation, every scenario, whether the sexual abuse happened, did not happen.

Speaker 1 And that's not me questioning it, but like putting out all these hypothetical scenarios out there. She is still a victim.
But what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 Let me know in the comments, and I will see you in the next one. Bye.
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