Ghislaine Maxwell Spills Secrets About 5 Billionaires In First Ever Prison Interview

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To be the best at something is already quite difficult. To be the best at hosting parties in Los Angeles is near impossible.

I would not be surprised if the best party event planner in Los Angeles is paid in the seven-figure range per year.

It's all about the famous caterers, the decorators, a giant ice sculpture shaped like a throbbing Academy Award because how else will anybody know that you have one?

Trays of caviar being served with McDonald's chicken nuggets because pairing and wasting caviar on something that is not expensive is the ultimate signal of wealth in Los Angeles.

These are likely some of the prerequisites on throwing the best parties in LA. Unless your name is Al.

Al does not do any of this, but everybody wants to go to his house parties. There are no trays in the bathroom for people to do lines of snow off of.
There's not a single fish egg in sight.

Just strange invitations that show up at your doorstep. The invitations are vague, but they're pretty straightforward in the sense of like it's vague depending on how you're gonna execute it.

But quote, bring a copy of the book that you have most enjoyed. I would spend days thinking about that.
Do they mean smut? Do they mean like fun book?

Do they mean educational book, self-help, book that transformed my life, or book that I had the most hee hee haha kicking my feet reading? What does it mean?

Or another, bring the most interesting person that you've ever met

how do you even get the most interesting person to come with you because you're not the most interesting person they're probably the most interesting person when you show up you likely realize that you have brought the least interesting person with you because there are nobel prize winning physicists the guy over there works for nasa he won't tell you what he does but he works for nasa Magicians, celebrities who are not even the star of the party, the host himself, Al, will usher you you inside with his arm draped around your shoulder as if you've been best friends for decades, even though he looks a few decades older than you, and almost like it is just planned from the beginning.

Somehow he's asking you about how the car ride was, was there traffic, how was it coming up the hills, and then suddenly you're standing in front of a painting on a wall and this painting is moving.

Is the painting moving? It's likely that later someone at the party will lean over and tell you, oh, you don't know. Al is the world's greatest collector of optical illusions.

Apparently he made a lot of money dealing rare books and now he collects optical illusions like that painting.

Al is the type of guy that likes to say things like, reality is that which exists independently of your perception or beliefs.

Your perception may be aligned with reality and then it may not be and you wouldn't know. I don't know what that means.
What does that mean?

He's even released multiple books on optical illusions and a lot of people at the time think that this, he just has this oddball quality about him.

He even gave multiple TED talks where he talks about how visual illusions are powerful because they violate your expectations.

There's this one part where the crowd is just eating up everything he's saying. And you would think that this is like a Netflix debut comedy special.

He shows a picture of what appears to be a man and a woman partaking in activities. And this is shadow play.
So it's like the shadow of a woman leaned up against a glass bottle.

She's like inside the glass bottle. And there's a man behind her, you know, doing what they do.
And he would say something like, this is the best example of priming by experience that I know.

If you are a child under the age of 10 that hasn't been ruined yet, you will see the image and see dolphins. Yeah, you see dolphins?

No, but it's odd that he says a child under 10 that hasn't been ruined yet. It's just a little weird, okay? And then he goes on to show a picture of a thing that a six-year-old drew.

turned into her teacher, the assignment being, what do you want to be when you grow up?

And because of the way that the story is presented, presented, his voice, his tone, his cadence, clearly it looks like this six-year-old drew someone who might be a midnight ballerina.

That's what it appears to be. And the six-year-old writes on there, when I grow up, I want to be just like mommy.

So now the insinuation is, mommy is a midnight ballerina because it looks like someone on a pole and there's a bunch of people holding up wads of cash.

The crowd is laughing and then he shows a letter. This is the letter that the mother sent the teacher.
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I work at Home Depot, and I told my daughter how hectic it has been last week before the blizzard hit.

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Her picture doesn't show me dancing around a pole, it's supposed to depict me selling the last snow shovel we had at Home Depot. From now on, I will remember to check on her homework more.
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So, it's a lot of weird stuff, but it's not alarming. It's all like fun and games, right? Until the recent release of the Epstein emails.

December 16th, 2010, one email from Al Seckel to Jeffrey Epstein reads, the job was far worse than originally expected. You have a dedicated group of people trying to undo and damage you.

He's talking to Epstein in 2010 after his conviction, his first conviction. Including now they have started up again last week, full force again.

It's obvious that they can't fuck with your wiki page because we blocked that. So he's going in and he's making sure no one can write in Jeffree Epstein's Wikipedia page.

The woman from the Daily Beast who wrote an article about you, we have programs that track this stuff.

And so for the past few days, Mike has been having a cyber war with her minions who are actively trying to undo what we are doing. She's trying to push her Daily Beast and other articles back up.

So we have to go back and push them back down in the Google searches.

Then there was the issue of trying to, you know, create a positive web presence for you with the science and organization sites i spent literally four months of non-stop work creatively and my own political capital to get you this far which saved you not only time but countless dollars and isn't something that can be readily bought i had people also working for free we did manage to get rid of the daily beast article which is now far removed in spite of their own efforts to keep it prominent wikipedia was an important victory and it will always be at the top of the search engine results Now the headlines do not mention convicted sex offender or pedophile.

Instead, philanthropic work, work, Epstein Foundation, promotion of scientists. We stopped the hacking on your wiki site, and that was a major effort.

Your wiki entry now is pretty tame, and bad stuff has been muted and pushed to the bottom. Careful editing and wording has muted the effect immensely.

We also hacked this site to replace the mugshot in the caption. They hacked Wikipedia.
These emails are from 2010. What is the connection between Al Seckel and Epstein?

Is this just another one of Epstein's friends who owes him a favor? Al Seckel is actually much closer than that. He's almost family in a way.
He is Ghelene Maxwell's brother-in-law.

And soon after these emails, Al Seckel goes missing. At least that's what everybody thought.
Until weeks later, there is a stench that leads investigators to the bottom of a 100-foot cliff in France.

And there, missing a hand and a foot that was likely eaten by a wild boar, is Al Seckel. Wait, when did he die? 2015.
So he sent the email in 2010. Yes.

This was exposed in 2015 or no, it was exposed recently. But in 2015 he died.
Yes. There were allegations that he was a fraud rare book seller, but they say that he self-exited.

But it's interesting because how many self-exits connected to one case is too many. And what does he do? Why is he doing all of this for him? Is this just like he gets paid by Epstein?

I don't think that he's getting paid much. He was dating Ghelane Maxwell's sister.

So, this is like a little favor to keep the family. But, I mean, the speculation is: is it really a favor, or is it maybe you owe Epstein?

Because, I mean, I love my extended family. I don't know if I would illegally hack a website for them.

Go that far. Yeah, especially when they've been convicted of the crime that everyone on the internet is posting about.
So, truly, how many self-exits connected to one case is too many.

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And this is part three of our coverage of the Epstein files. And I think by this point, hopefully the new Epstein files will be released.
That's going to take a lot of time to sort through.

If you guys are interested, I can definitely make some follow-up videos. But I mean, we don't even really know what's going to come out of the Transparency Act.

Truly, like, there is no guarantee that we're going to get any answers to this or if we're just going to get another dump of emails where it's like, oh, yes, we kind of knew that these people had some sort of relationship, but these emails don't.

Kickstart an investigation. They don't really bring justice or anything.
So it might just be that. But just another side note, I am not legally accusing anyone of doing anything.

All of these allegations, all of these accusations, and the discourse around each person that's involved or not involved with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghelene Maxwell is readily available to be consumed online.

There are countless court documents. There are countless things that have been released by the House Oversight Committee.

There are so many things that have been circulating online that you can read for yourself and come to your own opinion. So, with that being said, let's get started.

The committee is where bills go to die. They are the gatekeepers.

Before a bill even reaches the Congress floor, the congressional floor, okay, to have a full vote, they have to go through the committee first. And when they do, 90 to 95 percent of them die.

They never make it out of the committee onto the floor, except this bill, Jeffrey Epstein's Transparency Act. I mean, why would it not get signed by everyone, right?

They just have to make it to the congressional floor. Why would you not want to know more about those that are involved with Eggstein? By the way, that was from a deposition, okay?

So a lot of people have been calling him Eggstein recently. There was an old deposition of Jeffrey Epstein where he is asked about if his private part is truly shaped like an egg.

And he gets so upset, he walks out of the deposition. And for that, he is now Mr.
Eggstein.

No, the Jeffrey Epstein Transparency Act was a bipartisan joint effort from Democrat Roe Khanna from California and Republican Thomas Massey from Kentucky.

Interestingly enough, when the Republicans find out that Thomas Massey is working on this bill, so he's trying to get it onto the House floor so they can vote. Once they vote, it goes to the Senate.

Then once they vote, if it passes, it goes to the president and it is now signed as an act. Like this is going to happen.
When the Republicans find out what Thomas Massey is doing, they are not happy.

The leadership is not happy, including Donald Trump. Trump attacks Massey on social media, calling him, quote, a real loser.

Thomas Massey, the worst Republican congressman and an almost guarantee guaranteed no vote each and every time is an embarrassment with a capital E to Kentucky.

He's lazy, slow moving, and totally disingenuous, a real loser. Never has anything positive to add.

Looking for someone good to run against this guy, someone I can capital E endorse and vigorously campaign for.

I don't know why embarrassment and endorse are capitalized E for Epstein, I guess, right? But like he really hates Massey now.

He made fun of him for getting remarried a year after his wife died last year in 2024. And Trump is posting online, boy, that was quick.

No wonder the polls have him at less than 8% chance of winning the election. Anyway, have a great life, Thomas.
And question mark, because he doesn't know the new wife's name.

His wife will soon find out that she's stuck with a loser. Thomas Massey comes out swinging too.
I mean, the girls are really fighting in this one.

In an interview, he says, the deal for Republicans on this vote is that Trump will protect you if you vote the wrong way.

In other words, if you vote to cover up for pedophiles, you've got cover in the Republican primary.

I will say that the MAGA base was having a hard time with this one, with a good chunk of MAGA, at least from what we could find online, siding with the Epstein Transparency Act.

Most likely, this act was going to get stomped on because if party leadership doesn't want to get it passed, it's not going to get past the committee, which is why Congressman Roe Conna and Thomas Massey, they go around it and they do something called a discharge petition.

I will say to get this act onto the House floor to be voted on was a pretty dramatic thing that a lot of people don't talk about.

So it means that in order for you to bypass the committee, you have to do a discharge petition. For a discharge petition, you have to have majority of the House representatives.

You need 218 out of the 435 to file and sign this discharge petition.

But they make it so, there's so many legal loopholes, such as the 218 members of the House have to physically go to the clerk's desk at the House chamber to sign the document.

They can't do like a docu sign. So,

yeah, but also, like, it's kind of their job to just like go do it, right?

And this is where three Republican House representatives: Marjorie Taylor Green is of Georgia, Lauren Boebert of Colorado, and Nancy Mace of South Carolina, they decide that they are going to be the three Republicans to sway from party leadership.

No Republican wants to sign this discharge petition. Every single Democrat has signed it, except the only Republicans are these three congresswomen and Thomas Massey.

So these four people changed everything. Yes.

Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, fascinating guy. And by fascinating, I mean what the hell.
He states that he opposes the discharge petition because he was worried about the victims.

Though most people believe it's more likely that he was just doing what Trump wants. Okay, so there was a lot of drama.

In addition to the four Republicans signing this discharge petition, there was a situation where a Democratic House representative had had passed away and his daughter actually got elected as the representative.

And she's clearly a Democrat. And so she needed to be sworn in so that she could sign.
Otherwise, they would be down a number from the Democrats. I mean, it's clearly she's going to sign it.

She's a Democrat.

But also, like, they were just really trying to not let her get sworn in to the point where at one point, the Republican House rep, Mike Johnson was like, no, no, no, you know, the government is shut down.

So we can't sign her in. Or like, it's the weekend, or like, we only meet certain times of month and we can't sign her in.
And everyone's like, why can't you sign her in?

A lot of people have been sworn in when they haven't had everybody present. And he's like, no, no, no, it's for her.
I want her to get the full experience of being sworn in. Like, it's a whole thing.

It's a whole ordeal. And everyone's like, swear her in so that she can sign the document.
There was a lot of drama.

But ultimately, with the four Republicans and every single Democrat, the discharge petition gets 218 signatures. Exactly.

Just to give you an idea, the modern discharge rule was established in 1931 and out of like 673 discharge petitions, only 47-ish have gotten the 218 signatures.

And then out of those, like only a handful have gotten through. The odds are not in the favor of the Epstein Transparency Act, but it does.

now go to the floor to be voted on and they have to get it through the House, then the Senate, and then finally the President. When the discharge petition gets on the House floor, the House votes 427

to one.

Who is the one lone no vote? Republican Clay Higgins of Louisiana, who argued that the release could cause undue harm to innocent witnesses and family members related to the case.

He wrote on X, it abandons 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America.

You know, as written, this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people, witnesses, people who have provided alibis, family members.

If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt.

So, everyone voted to like release it at that point. Is it because like they know it's going to happen?

Yeah, so at that point, even once it got the discharge petition went through, even Trump was like, Republicans should just vote yes. Oh.

So, Republicans get the party leadership approval, which is So everyone got a memo. It's like, okay, it's going to happen now, regardless.
But that guy still decided to vote no.

Even House Speaker Mike Johnson, he decided to save his own skin. Because at that point, everyone is looking at anyone who's going to vote no and go, hey, so

what's on your computer?

Who are you emailing? People wanted to know. And so I think at that point, everyone's saving their skin except for Clay Higgins, who has always been super MAGA.

So then it goes to the Senate and the senators, they unanimously passed the bill. And like, it sounds climactic.

It sounds like every single one of them sat there and was like signing the bill, but no, the, they were just like, hey, can we, does anyone have any objections?

Or are we just going to unanimously pass it? They were like, okay, no objections. It is passed.
And by November 19th, 2025, the bill lands on President Trump's desk. and he signs it into law.

There's a lot of reasons why people think and have these conspiracy theories that that Epstein was a spy, an intelligence officer for a foreign nation.

The main one that comes up is Israel, that he was an intelligence spy for Israel. Netizens think that this is just too much power.

The way that if you read through Epstein's emails, he does not align himself with one political party in the United States.

When someone he's talking to is Republican, he takes a more Republican viewpoint. When someone he's talking to is a Democrat, he takes a more Democratic viewpoint.

And it just seems that all all of his connections lined up more so to be in the Democratic Party.

Because yeah, you know, he had Ghillain Maxwell, who knew the Clintons, and then they knew all of these connections, but it does not seem like he himself was like a staunch Democrat, like, oh, I lean left.

These are my political views, which is so interesting.

But he's so well connected globally to a bunch of international foreign nations and leaders.

And the tapes, the alleged tapes that Epstein has of his client list abusing children, there is this question of do those tapes exist or not?

Because Pam Bondi, Attorney General of the United States, has stated that she has seen tens of thousands of tapes, right?

But she does state that it's between Epstein and Minors, but they were never found. And some people say it's because they were never Epstein's.

They belong to the foreign intelligences, and they're not going to let it be found. She has seen it?

She says she has. But it hasn't been found.

What does that even mean? Did you find it or not find it? Well, I guess the argument there is they're saying they're not going to release it because it's CSAM.

But she does state that it's Epstein and Minors.

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Now, what's interesting is that all of the victims, well, most of the victims for Epstein and Ghelane, they don't recall being filmed when they were partaking in activities with Epstein.

But a lot of them recall that Epstein and Ghelane would allegedly talk about how they had some sort of power over these powerful men that these women were trafficked to, that these girls were trafficked to.

So it doesn't make sense. That's why people are saying it wouldn't make sense that Epstein has videos of himself committing acts.

Like tens of thousands of videos of himself partaking in illegal activities with minors like what would be the purpose of that unless he gets off on it but none of the victims have said oh yeah he gets off on filming these things with us So that's why people think that those tapes are not of Jeffrey Epstein.

But regardless, it seems like whether they exist or do not exist, the DOJ is not specifying anything more because they're saying it's CSAM.

And no one is saying that it should be released or no one is saying that we should get screenshots or anything. It's just, it's just weird.
It's weird.

It doesn't help that Ehud Barak and a few other world leaders were pictured previously with Epstein or have admitted to having met him.

And along with the massive dump of emails, Epstein's Kindle purchases get released, his digital Kindle purchases. I will say it's very interesting.

In the beginning, he's reading books like Conversations with a Mathematician, Exploring Randomness, even the Jesus Dynasty, A Hidden History of Jesus, His Royal Family, and the birth of Christianity.

And then he starts picking up books about family wealth management, the story of a practical idealist, managing money books, why we get sick, the celebrity assistant's handbook, which details how to deal with the ultra-wealthy, Bitcoin for dummies, blockchain technology explained.

He also purchases at least four separate books, digital books on Donald Trump, another book about gay Catholic priests, another one titled The Serious Guide to Joke Writing, which is not about gay Catholic priests.

However, it does appear that his interests start changing a little bit in 2014 with the books The Man from ORGY.

It's a man who studies intimate relations and he studies it and he loves it and it makes studying intimate relations even easier. However, the blurb continues.
He does odd jobs here and there.

For quote, the most secret of American spy organizations, this unnamed agency, which is definitely not the CIA, might send him to various action spots spots in the world, but it's his lust that makes the spots get active.

He just starts reading a bunch of spy books, along with purchases like the complete guide of men Pilates, The Physics of Immortality, which is about how humans can be resurrected, which Virginia Dufray states in her memoir, quote, I'll tell you one thing though.

While I've read that Epstein was buried in an unmarked grave not far from his parents in Palm Beach, Florida, I don't believe that at all.

Epstein had repeatedly told me exactly what would happen when he died.

His body would be placed in some sort of cryogenic chamber to be preserved until technology advanced far enough back to bring him back to life.

That's what he always bragged to me, with that satisfied smirk on his face. I know it sounds far-fetched, but I wouldn't bet against the notion that he somehow got his way on this.

One of his last book purchases in the last three months of his life is Lolita, the annotated and revised version about a man who is obsessed obsessed with a 12-year-old girl.

However, the most interesting purchase that everybody has been dissecting thus far online is, quote, the title, Rise and Kill First, The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations.

People think it's interesting because there is a speculation that he is an intelligence officer, a spy for Israel, and then he ends up dying in prison later.

Additionally, in that vein, he would also make these very strange notes that he would email himself. It's like the journals of a mentally corrupt human.
I don't even really know what to call them.

So he would just email these random, it would be like one, two, three, four. It would be numbered in a bullet point list.
And then it would be random words in sequences.

It's like he's speaking in code or he's talking to himself, but it would say things like taste, number 26. Taste, question mark.
Food, question mark. Kissing, question mark.

It's like he's playing the world's weirdest word association game. Other lists include 26, money, agreements, debt, power, value, wealth, cost.
Number 27, dreaming all day long.

Number 28, only six senses question mark.

And then at the bottom of this like numbered list, it would just be a whole group of people's names. Hopkins, Danny, Chomsky, Teal, Hoffman, Ehud, Bennon, Barack, Woody.

What? So a a lot of medicines, they've been speculating that these names correlate to a certain number. And these numbers are the last conversations that he had with these people.

So that next time he converses with them, he can remember what they conversed about or maybe what their interests were in.

But it's very weird because if you're just a normal person and you don't expect that these are going to go public, why not write it in a journal where it's a little bit easier to understand?

Why go through the, why couldn't you just write Hopkins and then whatever that was? If that is in case what is happening here, right, right, right. So it seems like it's just code.

It's so you're saying that he expects this to go public one day, or he's sending this email to himself, but there are other people who have access to this email.

Or maybe he's taught always to write in code or to mix it up a little bit. It's just weird.
Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird.

And there really are only a few people that would understand what that is. And one of of them would be Ghillain Maxwell.

There are only a few people allowed in that room when Ghelane Maxwell gets interviewed for like the first and probably the last time a few months ago.

Spencer Horne, Assistant Special Agent in Charge of the FBI, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. Also in the room, you have Diego Pistana, Associate Deputy Attorney General, Mark Beard from the U.S.

Marshals, and Ghelane's attorneys, David Marcus and Leah Safion, Melissa Magical.

and Todd Blanche speaks. Go ahead.
And I'm Ghelane Maxwell. This is the proffer interview of Ghelane Maxwell, July 24th, 2025, 10-12 a.m.
Todd Blanche tells her what a proffer agreement

is and that it's quote, the most important part of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement, meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really just meeting.

I'm not promising to do anything. I'm not promising to ask Judge Nathan or any of the judges that's been assigned to your case to do anything about it.
We are just talking.

However, almost as important is the fact that what this agreement does for you is it gives you protection.

The government cannot use what you say today against you with some exceptions, which we'll talk about in a minute. So those exceptions are things like perjury.

Like if you lie, they can get you for perjury. But Blanche says, Ms.
Maxwell, I guess about a week and a half or two ago, Mr.

Marcus, your attorney, reached out to me and said that you wanted to speak with somebody from the government about not only your case, but about everything that's been in the media and that's been publicized about Mr.

Epstein in your case.

The government said that I'm not doing anything for you. But I'm gonna, yeah.
You say you want to talk, so I'm here to listen. What is this all about, right?

Why is she telling all of these things without any returns? And like, when the fuck has the government ever listened to anybody, let alone someone that has been convicted of any sort of crime?

So it's very interesting. And like I said in the previous episode, it's interesting that this is all coming about when the administration is under a lot of fire about being connected with Epstein.

Todd Blanche has some pretty strong connections to President Trump and not just by being the deputy attorney general. He was previously Trump's personal attorney.

So there's a lot of, a lot of weird things happening here. But one thing that's very important to note is this is really the first time that we hear from Ghelane herself.

We know Ghelane from what everybody has said about her, from the documents that have been released. She never testified during her trial.

And there's just, and even her trial itself, it was in federal court. It was never live streamed.
This is the first time we really hear Ghulane Maxwell, her voice, for a prolonged period of time.

Yeah. And she's just as crazy as I freaking imagined.

So she starts whining initially about how nobody from the government ever wanted to talk to her, even when she was first indicted and prosecuted, which she states she always wanted to talk to someone at SDNY, which speaking of SDNY, there is a lot of drama drama happening right now where Maureen Comey, the former FBI director's daughter, was a prosecutor, was she was an attorney for SDNY.

She worked on the SDNY. SDNY is the Southern District of New York.
This is a federal district. So these are the feds.
So they prosecute a lot of white-collar crimes.

This is the same district that prosecuted Sean Combs. So it's federal court.
You can't bring cameras in there. It can't be live streamed.

Now, Maureen Comey, who also worked on Sean Come's case, she worked initially on Jeffrey Epstein's case, never went to trial because he died.

And then she worked on Ghelaine Maxwell's case, and that did go to trial, and she was convicted. Now, she gets fired.
She gets fired this year all around the time of this Epstein file talk.

And her father, James Comey, who was the former FBI director, he's in like a huge lawsuit and it's so messy over there. But people just think all this timing is very odd and interesting.

Very odd and interesting. So Ghelane Maxwell is like, SDNY never wanted to talk to me.
Even when they indicted me, they didn't want to talk to me.

And she says, quote, and I offered myself and I kept asking if they would meet with me so I could talk to them. And for whatever reason, that was not happening.

So she starts from the very beginning of how she met Epstein, where there were rumors that it was through her dad, that it was on a blind date.

And in Ghelene's version of events, she says, her friend is like, hey, you're almost 30. So she says, quote, I don't need to tell you guys.

That's a very important moment for a girl to like think about important things. So her friend is like, because you're an old, old, decrepit little lady now.
You got to think about dating somebody.

So her friend introduces her to Epstein, who is dating the friend's sister. Imagine you're like, hey, you need a boyfriend? My sister's boyfriend could be a great pick for you.
He's great.

I think you guys should get married. And apparently that's what happened.
So Ghelaine meets him at his office where she notices a giant ketchup stain on his tie.

And she is so smitten by this ketchup stain that she was like, yes, I will commit atrocious felonies with you. Let's do this.

Ghelain also thinks that we have the intelligence of a drowning cockroach because she tells Todd Blanche that she slept with Epstein one time. in the beginning of their friendship, you know?

They were never really dating per se.

They slept together once. And then she didn't sleep with him again for a very long time.
And it j I mean, just it was the relationship was just not that serious.

You know, Epstein told me that he had a heart condition. A what? Heart condition.
Heart condition. Heart condition.

Which meant that he didn't have intercourse a lot, which suited me fine, because I actually do have a medical condition myself, which precludes me of having a lot of intercourse.

So w what was your understanding of his heart condition and why that prevented him from having intercourse regularly? I don't know. I mean, he liked other forms of sexual activities.

So she states later that he really likes self-pleasuring and blowjobs. I don't know what the difference between intercourse and I don't know what is.

She says, so we stopped having relations in 1999. Not full sex.
Sorry, just to be clear, you know. Didn't mean that we didn't still share a bedroom sometimes or whatever.

In fact, she says that they never really did it.

And all of these women who are accusing her of bringing them into the room, leading the massage, being involved in these group activities, she's like, oh god, that's really not me.

Like I've only ever done it with Epstein like a few times. And on top of that, I, I mean, people think that we are connected by the hit, but that is not at all the case.
We barely ever hung out.

We actually didn't really like each other like that. She says, in fact, I didn't like the people that he was with anyway.
So how do I say this?

He was always surrounded by young people, right? I like people who are my age or older, and I don't find the society of, the companionship of younger people, I suppose, is really that enjoyable.

So I don't like the company that he chose to be with. So I just, I found it boring and fundamentally uninteresting.
That's probably the nicest way that I can say it.

He's throwing Epstein under the bus now? Yeah. And she says that, by the way, in case you guys didn't know, I was in a full-blown relationship with a billionaire.
Oh, yeah.

She states that during this time, she was dating another billionaire by the name of Todd Wyatt. Wait, Wyatt, but he, this is in from 2003 to like 2010.

And she says that he is the founder of Gateway Computers, quote, as you may know.

And we had an amazing relationship that ended when up until 2010, I think. And I was with Ted from that time.
So she says that she even attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding as Ted's guest. Weird.

And she says, you know, back in those times, if you asked Ghelane where Epstein was,

she would even tell you, I would have no idea. I didn't even have the keys to his houses.
Like, I think it's crazy.

Like, she makes it seem like it's crazy that everybody is saying that they were joined at the hip, that they were Bonnie and Clyde. She's like, I barely saw the guy.

If you asked me where he was at any given point, I don't think I would have had the answer. I didn't think so.
I mean, that's how detached we were. What timeframe was all the crimes happening?

Is that the same timeframe that she claimed? Yes.

So she claims that I wasn't even there. Yeah, she's like, I barely know the man.
Blanche is like, okay, so when Epstein was first arrested in like 2008,

that's when you realized that something was wrong with the guy? She's like, I didn't even know that. I didn't even understand.

She's like, I didn't even know that he was arrested. I read through the press.
What? She was like, I didn't have any context for that. You know, I was, I didn't, I'm not even sure what I thought.

I was like, that's weird.

So after you find out, what happens with your relationship with Epstein? I asked him, you know, I asked him, what was going on? And he said, not to worry. Nothing, nothing.
Taking care of it.

Don't worry about it. He didn't share.
You know, I wasn't part of it all. I was off with Ted.
I really just was off with Ted.

Meanwhile, while he's in prison, she continues to take care of everything for him. And he keeps paying her.
lots of money. Okay, so what's going on with this conversation?

Like, she's just making up random stories and they're just listening to, okay, yeah, I believe you. Keep going.
Yeah, basically, like this conversation doesn't make any sense at all.

Are they pushing her? Are they like challenging her or are they just listening? Barely. And there's so many parts of this conversation.

And again, I'm really not trying to let any sort of political bias come through, but I do think that there's very suspect things in this entire proffer interview, including the fact that there are various times in which she brings up the conversation of Trump and talks about how he has nothing to do with anything.

There's that one point at the end of the day on day one, because this proffer interview lasted two days, where she's like, you know what? I just want to say something before we end this interview.

And she's like, it really bothers me. And this is paraphrasing, but I mean, you could see it on.
I'm going to insert the clip.

She's like, it really bothers me that people are associating President Trump with all of this stuff. And like, I don't know what's wrong with the media.

And it's like, girly pop, nobody freaking asked you that just now.

It's just weird. It's weird.
It gets even weirder because there are moments where, okay, so for example, there's this one point of the proffer interview where Todd Blanche is just like, look.

If Epstein's flying from Palm Beach to St.

Thomas and he's flying all over the country to New Mexico to New York or even to Palm Beach, and then there's young women, you know, putting aside whether they're under the age of 18 or in their 20s, they're there every day at the house, multiple massages on some days.

You're interacting with the massuses constantly.

Ghelain hits him with a, huh? Todd Blanche walks it back. Or maybe that's not right.
That's not right. Let me take back what I just said.
Ignore that part. Okay.
Wait, what is that?

Because she, the whole interview, she's talking about how she never really even interacted with the masseys.

So like if she went to go get a massage from a third party and she says, quote, not one of those funky places, meaning like a proper massage place, and she likes the masseuse, she'll bring them in to work on Epstein, but she never was like recruiting underage people.

She never really hung out with the masseuses. She states she wasn't even the one paying the masseuses, which goes against like every single victim's testimony.

But she's like, I really had nothing to do with these masuses. I never even saw anything sexual happen with a massage, like a masseuse, nothing.

And so at this point, he says you're interacting with the masseuses constantly. And she just hits him with a, huh? He walks it back.
Or maybe that's not right. That's not right.

So like he's catering his story based on whatever she just said. Yes.

And I understand that there is, to some degree, you want to make the convicted felon feel a little bit more comfortable so that they feel like they should open up and they should tell you things that they might not tell someone who is bringing in a hostile environment.

However, it's so accommodating that we're getting absolutely nothing out of this. I mean,

it's so ridiculous. Is Todd Blanche, am I Todd Blanche? Like, this is the most non-confrontational thing that I've ever witnessed in my life.
But how are you the deputy attorney general?

And Todd Blanche is actually quite a confrontational person. Really? Yeah.
So, I mean, I just don't understand what the hell is happening here. So they seem very friendly.

So friendly, so accommodating, so polite. I'm like,

what is happening? Yeah, I don't even understand the purpose of this interview. Exactly.
The purpose really just seems to be, President Trump is a great man and I don't think that he's involved.

And they just let her get away with with things. They let her get away with saying things like, you know, he told me he had difficulty having an erection.

I believed him. Blanche is like, can you elaborate? Like, what do you mean by that? Because when I didn't have sex with him after the first time, I took it as a, you know, I asked him, so was it me?

And he told me it was him. Todd Blanche is like, what? She says, I had never, up until this moment in my life, as if I'm, you know, not stupid, I'm very bright.
I've had an excellent education.

I've traveled all over the world. I had boyfriends, but I had never, ever met someone or understood that somebody could would lie about not being able to maintain an erection.
It never occurred to me.

I didn't have a frame of context within my life or experience elsewhere that somebody would be so manipulative and devious with me.

Plus, I didn't have, you know, I was happy to not have sex because I have a condition that doesn't lend itself to that.

So she just says, I never had intimate relations with Epstein because he can't have a bonbon or whatever you want to call it. This is her excuse for everything.
She says, I was never involved.

I was never having these relations where I was assaulting children with Epstein because he cannot. I've only had relations with Epstein one time.
And then it was only one time.

So I asked if it was my problem and he said, it's not your problem.

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The only thing that Todd Blanche does kind of stick to is like, hey, but you are getting paid a lot of money.

So you're saying that you're not recruiting masseas for him, like inappropriate masusis, that these are regular massage therapists, but then you're just what?

You're a house manager, you're signing contracts for third-party designers for all of his homes. That's about what you're telling me your job duties are, right?

So we're talking $18.3 million in 1999, $5.5 million three years later in 2002, $7.4 million in 2007. That money adds up to be around $30 million.

Ghelaine Maxwell responds, I don't believe any of that was my money, even though they're going straight to her accounts.

What I'm just trying to make sure that I understand is that the idea that you were paid $30 million in order to buy Mr.

Epstein to reward you for recruiting young women, you're saying that is categorically, completely false. That is categorically false, correct.
And then he doesn't really do anything about that.

So then we just start going down the list.

of everybody that she's met and interacted with. She's asked about RFK Jr.
and she's asked, did you meet RFK Jr.? Which he's like the head of our FDA right now.

He's the Tylenol guy. Anyway, she's like, I'm sorry.
Did you ever meet RFK Jr.? Yes. When was that? I met him at Andrew Cuomo's,

no, Carrie's wedding. Who did Carrie marry? Andrew Cuomo.
Yes, Andrew Cuomo's wedding. She says that she likely met him before she was friendly with Epstein and quote, I fancied him.
RFK Jr.?

I thought he was very attractive. Okay.
Besides finding him attractive and fancying him, did you have any sort of social relationship with him? I mean, we knew each other.

I thought he was wonderful and fun, and I enjoyed meeting him. We went out, and I want to say we had a dinner or two, but obviously I was very excited.
But that was it.

Yeah. And I knew his brother.
I knew his brother. And so now she's talking about Andrew Cuomo again.
I knew his brother. You knew his brother? He has a brother, right? What's his name? He's on TV.

Chris? Right. Christopher.
Christopher Cuomo. But I would just say socially, I'm just not close friends or anything.
But I was friends with Carrie, which is Andrew Cuomo's ex-wife.

And I met him a few times. And I certainly met his brother as well a few times.
Yeah, Carrie, Andrew Cuomo's ex-wife, is also Carrie Kennedy of the Kennedy family.

So just so you know, she's also not just part of the Kennedy family. She is JFK's niece, former president JFK's niece.

She was married to Andrew Cuomo until 2005. Nevertheless, the list of names continues.

Ghillaine says that she does recall meeting Alan Dershowitz and his wife on the island, but never had any sort of inappropriate behavior, never witnessed anything. How about Mr.

Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein? What would you like to know? Do you know him? Yes. How do you know him? I wouldn't say that had I had any type of relationship with Harvey Weinstein socially.

I would meet him because I would go to events that Harvey would be at. And also his wife was English back then, Georgina, and I was friendly.
Friendly would be a big word. We would see each other.

Have you ever met Bill Gates over the years? Yes. Because of your relationship with Mr.
Epstein or separate? I met Mr. Gates when I went to a TED conference.

I actually spoke at the TED conference, not the main stage, the substage. And I also gave a few TEDx speeches.
But I might have met them there, but we were friendly.

And I actually did meet him because I knew of,

I don't know if he was chief of staff or whoever, but Boris. I met him, I think, once.
I may have actually, yeah, I may have met him a few times once.

And that would have been because of Epstein, because Epstein was friendly with Boris and Boris,

that's all I remember. Who's Boris? Boris is the chief of staff for Bill Gates, apparently.
You don't ever recall being on a plane with Mr. Gates and flying to an island or anywhere.
No.

Do you know Elon Musk? I do. And how do you know Mr.
Musk? I met him, I don't remember the year. It's going to be 2010, 2011, something like that, if my memory serves.

I was at an event for Sergey, the co-founder of Google. She is...

How is she in everybody's business? It's crazy. Everybody's business.
That is crazy. Yeah, that's why everyone's like, aren't you? So she's like the peak

social climber type of...

People are saying this is not a normal level of social climbing either. It's so weird.

And the fact that Ghelane Maxwell comes from a disgraced family where her father was like stealing money from pension funds. It doesn't make sense.
Right, right, right.

It's like, why are these people talking to her?

That's why people think that she was working with intelligence agencies, but she said that she was at an event for Sergei, the co-founder of Google, and Sergei, it was his birthday.

And so a bunch of them, she says, quote, maybe I don't know. If I would say 40, it could be wrong.
It could be 30 or 50. I don't remember.
Went to another friend's island, somebody called Mr.

Pegozzi in the Caribbean. Not with Epstein.
He was not there. So we were there to celebrate Sergei's birthday.
And we were there together, I wanted to say three to four days, something like that.

And in my memory, Mr. Musk was present for that.
So everybody has an island. And you just like hop to different people's islands.

Yeah, and she does mention that like Richard Branson also has an island nearby. Yeah.
Oh my God.

Did you meet or know Mr. Musk's brother? I don't know if I ever met him.
I know that he has a brother. I don't think I met him.
She mentions that they also met again after an Oscars after party.

Elon Musk? Yeah. I believe that Epstein knew Musk.
And the only reason I say that is not from my memory because I saw. I mean, I think I saw.

My memory is that in Discovery, they were communicating via email. But I mean, it's not necessarily the most incriminating thing.

People have not been bringing Musk's name into the Epstein client list because he was the one that tweeted that Trump is not releasing the files because there was a whole drama.

So a lot of of people are like, well, he probably is not on the files if he's saying all that. Yeah, yeah.
And lots of people were on the emails. Also, he's like the richest man in the world.

Don't sue me. Then they go back to RFK Jr.
And again, he is the one with the worm in his brain. And he does sound like he just smoked like nine cigarettes before doing a press interview.
It's crazy.

But Ghelane says that she had gone dinosaur bone hunting in the Dakotas with him. So

protect the dinosaurs and protect the bears is what I'm learning from this. And she says, I knew Bobby's wife.
So Bobby is his nickname.

I knew Bobby's wife, Mary, pretty well actually, and before he met her. Mary passed away in 2012 while her divorce with RFK Jr.
was still pending. This divorce is not without its controversies.

RFK Jr. accused Mary of running over and killing their family dog in the driveway, that she was violent and abusive.
Mary accused RFK Jr.

of being a sexual deviant, of constantly cheating on her and waging a scorched earth campaign against her. And whilst the divorce was pending, Mary died by self-exit.

Ghillaine states that her boyfriend back in the 80s had a brother who dated Mary, and that's how they knew each other. And then Mr.
Epstein, did Mr. Epstein meet Bobby Kennedy through you?

I don't think so because Mr. Epstein, you know, surprisingly, everyone says everything happened through me.
That's just not true.

I mean, I think yesterday I'd explained that he had friends from London and those were very, what the people would call fancy. So she's like, no, he didn't meet Bobby through me.

But then she states, I never saw anything inappropriate with Mr. Kennedy.

I mean, yesterday, if I didn't make it clear, I will reiterate, I never ever saw any man do anything inappropriate with a woman of any age. I never saw inappropriate habits.

Now, I'm not going to say hands or, I mean, that to me is not inappropriate. A what? I guess like holding hands.
Oh. Now, somebody's inappropriate and mine might be different.

We're not talking about anything that resembles the accusations that we've discussed. So that would be a flat out no to any man.
Also, she just can't remember anything.

And as for why she can't remember a single damn thing and has the hippocampus of a toad that's been deceased for half a century, she says, I don't recall all of them.

Not because I'm trying to be evasive or anything, but I just don't remember them. And after a while, you know.

in the incredible job that you all have, all of you, that when you're so high pressured and you're spending so much time with extraordinary people like with President Trump, Trump, it can blur.

It just does. Did she really talk like that? Yeah, basically.
So awesome.

I mean, this is like a very dramatic interpretation, but I think that her accent doesn't help. She does have a very posh way of speaking that's very holier than thou.

She has a very posh accent.

She also says about Bill Clinton. So I started spending a lot of time.
I don't want to categorize that, but I started spending time with the former president and with Doug and his team.

And then I have no purpose really other than I obviously offered something. I don't know, ideas of,

I don't know.

And he started to travel. Which started to travel? Bill? Yeah.
So she's like, I'm traveling with Bill Clinton. And like, I offered him ideas or like, I don't know, or like ideas or like, I don't know.

It doesn't make any sense. And then she talks about how there is a rumor where she flew Bill Clinton on a helicopter to the island for nefarious reasons.

And she says, that is so patently absurd that I flew him in a helicopter. I am a helicopter pilot.
That is true. But the notion of me flying an ex-president in a machine, that would terrify me.

I would never, ever even take that responsibility. Can you imagine? Yeah, no.

And then she goes on to state that the reason that she can't really remember anything is because she was in solitary confinement at MDC, Brooklyn, for quite some time.

And MDC has one of the most heinous. And she starts talking about the prison system there.
And Todd Blanche is like, not on my transcript. We're going to stop you right here.
Moving on.

Yeah, he said, not on my watch. So, but she does try to blame MDC Brooklyn for the reason that she's very messed up.

And I don't think so because, I mean, yes, I think prison reform and I think MDC Brooklyn is probably one of the worst of the worst, but also you were messed up from the get-go.

So I don't know what she's talking about. Ghalain also goes on to state that any woman that she saw around Epstein's vicinity was very interested in him.

Nobody was there by force or uncomfortable or in distress. She says, I never saw that.
She said, you know, if you were massaging his feet, I mean, they were happy to be there.

Did you see him engage in sexual conduct during a massage?

Well, you could define sexual conduct as in, I did see women who would have been, you know, less than normally clad for massages, but especially on the island where they would be in bikinis or possibly even topless.

Yeah, I did see that. But she doesn't have any recollection of anyone underage giving Epstein or massage or doing anything inappropriate during a massage.
Did you ever observe Mr.

Epstein self-pleasuring during a massage? Yes.

Okay,

so what are you saying? I mean, when I'd seen him on a massage table, I had seen him masturbate. I don't know if there was a masseuse present, but I've seen him on a massage table masturbating.
Okay.

What? Okay.

And then she says, you know, let me give a rant. And she just starts ranting.

The narrative started in 2009 is really when it started so that narrative that was created and then built upon and it just mushroomed into basically what is like the salem witch trial people have gone and lost their minds for this thing but the issue is how do you satisfy a mob who can't understand the lifestyle because it's like p diddy on tv oh

that's a bad example

yeah has she not been watching the news yeah has she not watched the new netflix documentary like with the clintons and trump i mean it's bananas And while some of it's real, he did do those things.

Epstein. I'm definitely not disputing that.
But this is one, you know, one man. They've made him into this, this big, he's not that interesting.

He's a disgusting guy that did terrible things to young kids.

Who? Epstein. Wait.
Oh.

Yeah. Wait, he's saying we made him into a nasty thing or he is.

He is, but we made this into a whole conspiracy involving her when she's so clearly innocent. Wait, I thought she just said that she never seen him do anything to anybody.

She says that she never saw, but she believes the victims. Oh.
At least the ones that don't accuse her. I see.
Oh, she just, oh, I see, I see.

So she thinks that Epstein is evil and nasty and does these things to young kids. Just she was, she never seen anything.
Yeah.

So that that, okay.

And she says, you know, if you met Epstein, there is no way that this cast of characters, which is like extraordinary, and somewhere in your cabinet who you value as co-workers, you know, would be with him if he was a creep or because they wanted sexual favors.

A man wants sexual favors. He will find that.
They didn't have to come to Epstein for that. Now, did some of them? Okay, I don't know.
I wasn't there. I didn't see it.

Okay.

How does she have this attitude when she's already, you know, in prison for this long and all?

And the way that she's trying to convince us of these things, she would have an easier time convincing everyone that she stuck a seven-foot Christmas tree up her her butt.

I don't understand. I don't get it.

And then she goes on to state that this is all Virginia is doing, that she has nothing to do with this, that she was just working for Epstein, but it was all Virginia.

Now, the DOJ does redact Virginia's name, but it's very clear that from context, it's Virginia Dufrey. Jelaine accuses Virginia.

December of 2011 or 2001, he met Virginia, and I think Virginia was responsible for that in its entirety. When Virginia was a child herself, like this is what she's saying.

Like Virginia was a child herself and she is saying that Virginia is responsible for this.

Ghelaine says, she was a self-confessed having been sexually abused as a young girl and was trained, her words, I'm quoting now, not mine, in all the arts of whatever, you know, that is the sex program by a man named called Ron Eppinger.

Virginia Giuffrey was trafficked by Ron Eppinger, if you listen to part one. And Ghelene is saying that she was trained to do this.
That was, she was trafficked.

And she continues, who was her pimp from when she was 14, I believe, 15, I don't know.

And in her book, she describes him training her to be what every man wants in all its manners, fellatio, and everything else.

Ghillaine goes on to spew nonsense about how Epstein's interest in underage masuses started because of Virginia, and that Virginia was the one recruiting fellow young girls.

to come in and service Epstein. She also badmouthed Virginia by saying things like, so then I think she takes up with the local drug dealer.

Virginia writes about in her book, she was dating a guy named Tony, and he becomes, she becomes a druggie, you know, you know, how druggies.

Well, maybe you don't, but they become even more unreliable than normal. So now she's saying she's unreliable because she got into drugs.
And so she blames everything on Virginia Duffrey.

And how convenient is that? When Virginia Dufrey, just a few months before this proffer interview, passes away. She says, quote, I don't know.

Everyone, every single person who came to his house came through Virginia and her boyfriend Tony and then whoever else was underneath her. That is how it started.

Did they push back on that when she said that? No, they just kept saying things like, well, let's not get into he said, she said. Let's not get into individuals.
It's just, it's messed up.

But one of the biggest things that came from this proffer interview is that lends itself to the theory that Ghelene and Epstein were working as foreign national spies, gathering intel and blackmail material on the most powerful people in the US.

There is a fascinating email from a redacted person who reaches out to Epstein in 2013 asking what he knows about being an offset service provider. I don't know what that means.

That sounds like you work for Verizon or something, okay? But Epstein responds, yes, one of the most complex negotiations as they are very strange.

Someone buys fighter jets, but with the fighter money, some must be used for specific third-party items, such as I will buy your pussy for $10,000, but with two of the 10, you have to buy me food.

And to make matters worse, I need to borrow another 10 from you. The person responds, so the offset service provider does what? Negotiation between the parties? Complex.
Sounds interesting.

Epstein says, Brazil has tried to buy fighters in the past. They don't have a lot of money.
The redacted email responds, apparently Brazil is a hot investment place now.

It's more about the offset part than the jet deal. Sweden and the USA are all lobbying to get the jet deal as aviation is tied with potentially big tourism deals.
36 planes.

I was just on call with a guy in Sweden who is dealing with this. I never know if the stories are real, but he claims to work with the Brazilian president, Obama and Warren Buffett, etc.
So, I mean,

the amount of knowledge that he has in military contracts and fighter deals is odd. So people are saying this doesn't sound like someone who's just scheming billionaires.

Like, if he is just blackmailing billionaires or being a financial tax advisor, this is weird stuff that he has access and knowledge to.

In another email, he tells a redacted individual, I passed your message. In addition, I'm not sure what role you and your boss would like to play in the Yemen issue moving forward.

The rebel leaders are ready to propose a document. They would like a ceasefire and halt.
If you'd like, I could pass on their proposal. This is not what I do.

My expertise is only money, but it seems like your part of the world would like advice. So he's now dealing with a ceasefire in Yemen.

In another text message, Epstein is talking to another redacted individual writing, spoke to my China guys, and they said China stronger, plays weakened, strife art of war, etc.

Said all the players are Xi loyalist. Main complaints is that there's no counterparty in US.
Either no one home or new to the game. He texts again, this is just a year before his death.

I had three China guys today. I told them that they should brief you.
There's a 40-year anniversary in Beijing of the beginning of economic growth initiative.

He's also meeting in 2017 with the Mongolian ambassador for the UN. And this is in 2017.
This is just two years before he dies.

He also emails about how he just spoke with one of the Ambani family members, one of the billionaire families from India. He also writes, India, Israel, key, not for email.

So this is, a lot of people have interpreted this as telling an Mbani family member that the key for India and U.S. relations to soften is Israel.
Israel is the key. Wow, this is, wow.

There's also pictures of him with African warlords, which Ghelane comes up with this like very bizarre explanation for that in the proffer interview where she says, no, so the reason that he hangs out with African warlords in that picture is because he had a business idea where if a billionaire had money stolen from them, like if a cartel has money stolen from them, he would go find that money, track it down, and he would bring it back and he would get a percentage of the recovered money.

And everyone's like, what does that have to do with African warlords?

But to address the rumors that Epstein and Ghelane were spies, Todd Blanche asks her, have you ever had any contact with any representatives that you know from Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency?

Can you ask me that again? Have you ever had any contact with any individuals that you understand to be from Mossad, an Israeli intelligence agency? Well, not deliberately. Pardon me?

Not deliberately. Okay, and did you...
We asked this, we talked about this a little bit earlier, but just to put a finer point on it, did you ever know or were you ever told?

Did you ever ever think that Mr. Epstein was getting any money from any intelligence agency, including Mossad?

Well, I don't believe so, but I wouldn't, I mean, I would be very surprised if he did. I don't think so, no.

Were there any international businessmen or politicians that had a very close relationship with Mr. Epstein that we haven't already talked about?

Off the top of my head, I can think of Ehud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel. What was his involvement? She says that they weren't that close.

And she says for good measure, you know, anything anything that touches Israel or the state of Israel, I'm always interested in because my father loved Israel. And so I pay attention to it.

And we have ties to, you know, Israel. Ties meaning friends and family relations.

Also, this is like a lot of people have interpreted this as she's trying to tell Israel that like she's not turning on them.

It's really weird because the way that she just is like, I have family in Israel and I have so many ties to Israel and I'm always interested in Israel because my father loved Israel.

It's really bizarre. Do you know the nature of Ehud Barak's relationship with Mr.
Epstein? I don't. Were you ever with them together? I think I met.

I have a memory of meeting Ehud, but I don't know if he was with Epstein. I don't remember.

You know, I'm struggling to remember the context around it, but I'm sure it happened, but it must have been very brief that they met because I don't have any serious memory of it.

And then as to make things, I mean, this just makes everything sketchier, but she says, certainly my father had a a background in intelligence. He is a British intelligence officer.

I think that my sort of belief is that once you've been an intelligence officer, you've kind of, it doesn't mean that you're formally employed.

So I don't think my dad is any formal sense was, you know, employed by the agency. And then she's like, you know, but I think it's absurd that everyone thinks that we are spies.

But then later, she'll say shit like this. I've had some interesting things that have happened in my life.
And one of them.

was I found out the IRA, so this is in Ireland, had me on their kidnap and murder list. What does that mean? Kidnapped and murder lists.
Because I think her dad is like a British intelligence officer.

Yeah, but after that happened, you know, my father always wanted to put a lot of protection on me, obviously. So it's weird because this didn't make it any clearer.

I don't think that this proffer interview is going to make these conspiracy theories die down or feel less legitimate to the people who already believe it.

It's just very odd.

Now, at this point, that's pretty much all we got from her proffer proffer interview and there have been speculations because she was moved to a very low minimal security prison that she's going to get pardoned at the end of Trump's term and he has been very evasive about it.

He would say things like I don't want to talk about pardons. Let's not talk about pardons right now.
But she's She's got access to phones, emails, weekend visits, recreational sports.

I believe it's like unlimited yard time. So she was moved after this interview? Yes.
Exactly.

So she's moved after this interview, and she's still trying to get out of her entire conviction by saying that she had a non-prosecution agreement as by the sweetheart deal that Jeffrey Epstein signed in 2009.

So I guess we're going to have to see. But Virginia Juffre on page 139 of her memoir, she writes, I had been trafficked to dozens of men by this point, and I remember their faces clearly.

There were old men and even older men, nerdy, shy men, and boorish, arrogant men.

There were men who wanted me to wear outfits and men who wanted to see me naked and men who didn't notice if I was clothed as long as I touched them.

There were men who behaved as if I were lucky to be with them and there was at least one man who ignored me as I serviced him sexually, preferring instead to focus his eyes upon and even fondle Epstein.

Someone just like to. Yeah.
A lot of people want to know who that is. A lot of people want to know who everyone is.
Virginia writes in her book, nobody experiences trauma and emerges unscathed.

I certainly haven't. Even before I met Epstein, I'd experienced awful things that I've made some observers label me as his perfect victim.
But I was also resilient or I wouldn't be here now.

I still have night terrors and panic attacks. I still have moments of feeling worthless.
Perhaps I always will. But on many days, especially when I've been able to help another survivor, I thrive.

My hope is that this book can aim some light at the darkness and force it to crawl back into its cave.

My point is that while Jeffrey Epstein is dead and gone, there are many others around the world who are still committing the same kinds of crimes that he did.

Hopefully, the files will put an end to that. And the files should be coming out like after you see this, probably in like a week.

But we don't know if we're just gonna get, if things are gonna be how they've always been and we're gonna get a whole bunch of nothing or if we're actually gonna get something this time.

So stay tuned. Let me know your thoughts in the comments.
Stay safe. And I will see you in the next one.

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