Sawbones: Tesla Medbed

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I'm your co-host, Justin McElroy.

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It's so cold.

Oh, poor.

In your office.

Honey, can I tell you something?

Honestly, I left my phone upstairs, so I can't adjust the temperature.

But for you, for my wife i'm gonna try to log into the web browser interface

our thermostat you can't turn on the heat because then it makes a noise and i i am so dedicated to the quality of our show for our listeners that i will huddle in my sweatshirt setting aside though remind me i'll get the ceramic heater and bring it down here i know and it's probably here's the truth it's probably like 74 degrees in here oh no no no i should have said for the listener it's perfectly comfortable.

Absolutely.

You can't even, it's the perfect temperature for anybody on earth would be like, oh, comfortable in here.

Me.

Except for old four-layer sid.

If you can find her under the blankets, you'll hear her complaining about how cold it is.

Justin,

I got an email from

a couple of our listeners.

As in, I got one email from two people.

So thank you ahead of time, Fega and Mazel, for this email.

And it was titled

oh it was so it was so exciting that the subject line of this email tesla med beds and i got so excited because i thought

wow tesla med beds that was quick could

could we be so lucky

could could there be a fake medicine thing,

a sham product, medical product that is tied to Elon Musk.

Is that possible?

Now, listener, you're you, we kind of used a version of this on you, right?

Because you downloaded the episode really quick because you want to find out too, right?

So, you're in that same liminal space as Sid was.

And I thought, like, this will be great for everyone because then we can all laugh at this ridiculousness together, and then we'll feel angry about it, and then we'll feel sad, but maybe then we'll feel angry again.

And I was so excited to go on this journey together, Justin, you and I, and then with our listeners, about

what has

the creator of the Cybertruck wrought upon us next.

But I am going to tell you right now that Tesla med beds have nothing to do with Tesla the car company.

We already got your download.

It's too late.

We got you.

I've read a bunch of articles about this.

I'm going to tell you what these are and why it's still, it's still hilarious.

But the thing about Tesla Biohealing Inc.

is that very frequently in news articles, when they're writing about Tesla Biohealing Inc., they will put immediately following that, not related to the car company.

Right.

Which I feel like.

I want to reach out and say, are you trying to help them do the work for, like, is this, who mandated this?

It almost feels intentional.

Like, did the when they interviewed them, were they like, no, listen, every time you name our company in your news article, you do need to contractually, we do need to put not related to the car company afterwards, or we will get in trouble.

And how is there another Tesla?

Yeah, how has Tesla allowed there to be another Tesla?

Well, somebody's name, right?

Maybe it's because you can't trademark somebody's name.

I do think it says something about both Mr.

Musk and his business that the articles have to specify, like come right out and say, there's a part of you that may think that this is a Tesla thing, but it's a different Tesla.

Like they have to specify, it's close enough to believable where you're like, yeah, that tracks.

It could be that.

Like if there was a company called Burger King Water Slides, they wouldn't have to come out and say, it's not the burger restaurant.

Like, yeah, we know.

It's water slides.

Sure, sure.

No, that makes total sense.

But like when I saw Tesla Med, and can I tell you, as I started researching this and reading the articles, because our listeners helpfully linked me to a few to get me started.

As I was reading them, I thought it was Tesla.

In my head, I assumed, like I hadn't read anything to confirm that.

I just thought, well, yeah, of course, of course, of course.

But then it is not.

So this has nothing to do with Tesla, the car company.

If you are somebody who understands the law better than me,

I'd love to know why this is happening.

I feel like a company as large as Tesla and someone with,

I mean, unchecked power,

I assume, like Elon Musk, would have stopped this.

I don't know.

So I don't know.

It feels wild to me.

Maybe, maybe the clock's ticking.

Maybe I listen, I have no intention.

Whoever wins, we lose.

I don't want to help either of these companies.

So I don't.

Justin, here's what I want you to do.

I want you to go to Pittsburgh.

All right.

See ya.

Well, not yet.

Hold on.

No.

We got to finish the podcast first.

Okay.

Okay.

But here's what you're going to do.

You're going to go to Pittsburgh.

Oh, man.

I'm really paying for standing up so suddenly.

I feel like this is how, this is what it's like to get directions in Appalachia.

Okay, here's what you're going to do.

You're going to go to Pittsburgh.

Okay.

Then you're going to turn and you're going to head 45 minutes up north.

Okay.

Yeah, I did say minutes.

I'm not going to give it to you in miles.

This is Appalachia.

We give it to you in minutes.

Okay.

Or hours.

Or stoplights.

Or stoplights.

It's a time thing.

It's not going to be a miles thing.

We don't know.

And then you're going to arrive in Butler, Pennsylvania, and you're going to see an old building that looks like a roadside motel.

And there's a good reason for that.

It was indeed a holiday inn, roadside motel, but now it isn't.

It is the Tesla Wellness Hotel and MedBed Center.

Justin, it made me think we once stayed at a wellness hotel.

Do you remember this?

Oh, yeah.

Accidentally.

Accidentally.

Can I just, I mean, if you didn't already know this about us, it was accidental.

Accidental, yeah.

We were in town for Lynn's birthday party and we booked ourselves into a wellness spa.

What was it called?

Equinox, something like that?

I don't even know.

I don't remember what it was called.

But I mean, it looked pretty.

It was a nice hotel.

We thought we were giving ourselves a nice experience.

And it was.

I'm not going to sit here and say that.

It was also not our first choice.

I had booked for the wrong night.

Remember?

We had to do like hotels tonight or something to see what was available.

So we stayed there and it was perfectly nice, but they did have like an infrared sauna and a cryo room you could pay for.

And then in your room, there were like, I mean, things that like, I don't think of as, as weird wellness stuff.

Like there was a yoga mat.

That's nice.

That's pleasant, you know.

But then, and like a foam roller, but then also some oils or something and some supplements that you could purchase from your room if you wanted to.

Yeah, the supplements were fun.

Yeah.

This was an accident.

We did not know that we had

the duo behind Sawbones was staying in a wellness hotel.

But if you stay at this wellness hotel, you know, because it's right there in the title.

You can rent rooms nightly.

So it is a hotel, but it's also a wellness center.

So I guess you can say more if you want to.

But that's like that's, I mean, lots of places are like the Great Wolf Lodge is like that.

You know, it's a hotel, but it's also a water slide park and not a Burger King.

Can you imagine if you got a room at the Great Wolf Lodge not knowing, like, just thinking it was a hotel?

Yeah, like, what a weird name for a hotel, whatever.

I'm sure tired, ready for a good night's sleep.

What?

The arcade's open 24 hours a day.

Why does the entire building smell like pizza?

Why does every inch of this building, the, the, the shower smell like pizza?

The bathroom smells like pizza.

Everything smells like pizza.

I love Great Wolf Launch.

So, okay, these rooms in the Tesla Wellness Hotel and Medbed Center, this is not the only one of these.

There are others.

If you're thinking, like, well, there's another.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

We'll get there.

So these rooms come with bio healers.

Now, what is a bio healer?

It's like a, it's a can.

Isn't a bio.

Hey, I do.

I hate this crap.

Bio healer.

Healer.

Bio.

Like, it's just saying healer.

Like, i know you can i like bio healing is like nonsense like it's not even like good phlegm flammary you know what i mean it's like threadbare there's so much of that in this there's so much of that coming can i say that as i was reading through this the word healing does a lot of work for a lot of these fake medical kind of companies.

I think my guess is that you can get away with saying healing when you can't say treat or cure.

Okay.

So because those specifically, there are regulations.

If you try to say treat or cure, the FDA will jump.

So, why does the FDA, why I feel like treat

does not imply an effect?

Well, it does.

No, I think there is legally, treat does imply an effect.

Now, how did our language evolve to think treat is an effect, but heal isn't.

But, like, anyway, I think a lawyer would just tell you because it does, because we have decided legally that it does.

So, these canisters exude what is called by the company

life force energy.

Okay.

Uh-huh.

Or technically, scientifically, these are biophotons.

Now, I do want, I think it's bad in a podcast to tell people to pause your podcast and go look at a website.

And maybe if you're like me and your brain gets itchy if you're not doing at least two things, you could do this at the same time.

Unless it's driving.

I do want to make that super clear.

Do not, do not, please don't look at your phone or another computer while you're driving.

But if you can,

I really want you to look at the website for the Tesla Biohealing Wellness Hotel and Resort, because what you will notice, I think this is one of my favorite parts of it, is that is, I didn't tell you the whole title of it, it's the Tesla Biohealing Wellness Hotel and Resort, Ramada by Wyndham.

Nice.

It is a Ramada, folks.

It is a Ramada.

That's good.

That's a name you can trust.

Which also I want to call Ramada and say,

y'all are into that?

This is your thing.

This is your good.

This good?

This is a Ramada.

So it's all the amenities you can expect from a Ramada.

Yeah.

I like that they definitely still have the smoking gazebo outside.

You know, the legally mandated smoking gazebo that every Ramada must have.

Yes, they're right there.

And then there's a geocache at the wood, the Huntington Ball, by the way.

If you're ever up around the smoking gazebo, you remember that Sid?

Yeah.

Quick sidebar.

We

during COVID, there was

the peak of COVID, I should say.

We did a lot of geocaching because it was a very safe way to get out in the world.

But there was a geocache at the Sokey Gazebo at the Ramada up at the ball.

And that we stood, there was people out there smoking.

We stood just kind of like watching people smoke, debating.

Like, I don't think we could just roll up to get our geocache while people are smoking.

I think we're going to wait.

And then we were trying to keep our six feet.

Yeah, right.

And combo the two.

Yeah.

So anyway, it is a Ramada with all of the amenities of of Ramada.

I mean, it says right there, free breakfast.

You got free Wi-Fi.

It's got a pool.

But then also, you have special canisters in every room that emit life force energy and will help your body heal itself.

Now, you've gone from exude to emit.

First of all, I don't know.

Honey, it's so made up.

It's so incredible that you have all these different words of things gooshing out of things just on hand.

So the company, let me give you a little bit of context for what, how did we get?

How did we get here?

How is there a Ramada?

Ramada was a family of Telias.

No, no, no, no, no.

Not listen.

Okay.

That's I, that man, that is your kind of thing, isn't it?

Knowing the history of Ramada.

Oh, honey.

I remember I was

when I was at the last time I was at a double tree, there was like a sign about why it's called the double tree and like the ranch that it's named after and all that stuff.

Oh, man.

I think that that stuff is fascinating.

I know you do, love.

I know.

So what's happening here?

Tesla Biohealing Inc.

is a company that was founded by Dr.

James Liu.

I think it was within the last four or five years.

It's really hard to find a lot of great history on this company or on its founder because there's some legal issues in the past.

I'm not sure, but it was created to treat and cure chronic diseases in an innovative way.

And when I say treat and cure, I of course don't mean treat and cure because right there.

Right.

The classic switcheroot.

Yes, right there on the website for Tesla Biohealing Inc., which you can go explore if you so choose.

Tesla BioHealing does not provide any medical advice.

Our products, FDA registered Tesla Biohealing OTC, over-the-counter medical devices and services are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or medical condition.

Please consult your own healthcare provider if you have any medical issues.

But like all of these scam artists, they put that and then they proceed to sell you a variety of products.

Now that that's how, honey, this is like,

it's the exact same thing you see on haunted doll listings, right?

You have this incredible tapestry of a story about, you know, all the ways that the spirit has appeared to the person.

And then the last paragraph is always,

eBay says that I have to tell you that this whole thing I just told you was for jokes, but yeah, you and I both, though, but it was all a lie.

I have to tell you I was lying about that.

Wink.

Wink.

Yeah, well, and that's the thing:

you are allowed to list a bunch of diseases on your website.

You can't say that you are treating and curing them, but you can say that this is a medved center, that these are healing devices, and then you can list a number of conditions that people who have used them might also have.

So the implication.

You, you, I don't know, you connect the knots.

Right.

So what do you think?

And I mean.

Just laying the pieces out here.

And I think that it's, I mean, I guess part of that would be based in sort of a caveat emtor kind of idea.

It's on you.

If you're going to spend your money in a bad way, I guess too bad.

But I think the problem is, as always, when it comes to quote-unquote wellness products, is that they are preying on people.

And specifically, they talk about it with either chronic diseases that are difficult to manage and maybe we don't have a lot of great tools for, or things that are incurable currently.

And so people who have this diagnosis or family members of these people may feel very desperate and may

engage with something that typically they would be too rational or too logical to engage with, right?

Right.

They're vulnerable.

They're depending on that.

They're depending on you being so vulnerable and scared that you'll put those dots together for yourself and try out.

So

let me tell you about what, first I'm going to tell you what the science, the quote unquote, these are air quotes, science behind it.

So the products harness biophoton energy.

That means that, and this is, so

going back to like 1920, we found that living things, living cells, can't emit small particles of light energy photons.

Right.

So this is a biophoton.

It's a biologic.

We all know this.

It's mana.

Sure.

You know what?

I feel like that will be called upon in one of these books I'm reading at some point, all of my

fairy sex books.

So, anyway, there are biophotons.

Now, the implication of that,

we don't really, in actual medical science, we are not trying to harness your biophotons to do anything.

Just because something exists doesn't mean it has value in medicine in any way.

But that is exactly what they are trying to do do is use this biophoton energy that is being released by these canisters.

And then there are other products as well.

And help your own living cells, which also emit biophotons

cure themselves.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it's creating this energy field that will fix you.

Easy.

But it won't.

We can't say fix.

It will treat.

Can't say treat.

It will heal.

Help.

Help.

Heal.

I don't know.

One of these.

So your body's going to fix itself, but this is just going to create the energy field that allows you to do that.

Or the guy in charge of the Ramada, James Millen, who's not all Ramadas, just this Ramada.

James Millen, who's a chiropractor and the Butler facilities clinical team leader, says, life force energy is the body's ability of innate intelligence to make changes or repair itself.

Don't try to parse it.

It's impossible.

If you go to the website, here's how they explain it: The energy field generated by our devices is the same biophoton energy that any human body or living being naturally generates and emits.

And we've harnessed this power using natural pre-activated materials through a proprietary process rooted in a comprehensive understanding of biology, physics, and chemistry.

These devices effectively recreate Earth's invigorating and vitalistic energy within our environment, offering a compelling and holistic approach to optimum health and well-being.

Can I ask you a question?

Are chiropractors at a point like applied kinesthesi where the ones who are actually doing anything need to change

the name of what they do so it's not the same as the rest of us?

I think that,

and I'm going to be real careful here because

I'm a doctor, so I live in a glass house.

Sure.

Right?

But I don't know.

Because it's very pricey.

So you see, only doctors can afford these elegant glass houses.

I think that there is this idea that certain professionals are so professional that they can all regulate themselves.

And we don't have to, we don't have to watch them too closely because certainly they will call out the bad actors within their community.

And I would say that, yes, the chiropractic community would do well to be very vocal about guys like this guy who is, I mean, that, I don't know what that has to do with chiropractics.

And I certainly don't know what that has to do with science or medicine.

and if he were saying I am a doctor of medicine and this is something that we believe I would want to vocally say no we do not that is not a thing we believe y'all gotta get your house y'all gotta get your house in order all right no he he does not speak for any of us and you know like I say that I am not looking for press releases from whatever the National Society of Chiropractors is called they may have they made him

they may have done this

right like they may be doing this but it's not just for this one cat right like I'm not just saying this this one cat needs to go get picked up by the chiropractors.

I'm going to get emails for this, but I think you all know this, chiropractors.

There's a lot of quackery among chiropractors.

There is.

And I'm not saying every single, certainly, there's a lot of quackery among doctors.

We talk about it on this show constantly.

I'm just, yeah.

So, but yeah, I do think it's important that we call out our own profession when we're doing something wrong.

Which is why I repeatedly say the American healthcare system is a disaster and needs to be completely rebuilt.

Not in the way it's about to be destroyed, but in a good way that is in service to humanity.

So, Justin, what is in these canisters?

I don't know.

I'm going to tell you, but first I'm going to make you go to the billing department.

Let's go.

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Yeah.

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Okay, Sydney, the secret of the ooze.

I'm ready.

What could be in these cans?

And if you like, look, you can look at a picture of them, hon.

The Tesla.

If you go to the website, they've got all their products.

And like, right now, all their products have little red bows on them because, I guess, the holidays.

Love that.

So, what is in this can?

It's a mix.

This is a quote: a mix of fine, naturally active stones and activated fine metal, grout, sands, and proprietary polymers that are manufactured with a special technology.

That is, can you, I'm sorry, one more time.

It's a mix

of fine, naturally active stones and activated fine metal, grout, sands, and proprietary polymers that are manufactured with a special technology.

All right.

It's like rocks and

dirt and some metal.

One person who bought it, I know, gave a bad review and said, this is just a can of concrete.

I hate it.

So

no, I don't, I don't.

Oh, it's special polymers.

I don't know if I don't know.

Listen, that concrete is not my area of expertise.

I don't know if this is indeed how you make concrete, but maybe this is a similar process to making concrete.

Anyway, that's what's in the cans that they put under your bed in the motel.

So basically, if you go stay at the wellness

Ramada, the well, the test the wellness Ramada, whatever, you know, that place in Butler.

And I'm sorry, if you live live in Butler, this is no shade on you.

I'm sure you feel very frustrated by the presence of this Ramada.

In the motel, they just put these under your bed

and you can sleep on the bed and then they're emitting the energy in the room and so you're great.

They also have some in the pool.

I found like a news article where they had a picture of someone swimming in the pool and they're all these big like plastic

because I guess they didn't want to put metal because it would rust.

So they're like plastic jugs that are like sitting at the bottom of the pool.

I assume assume also full of the concrete-esque mixture.

Yeah.

And then you swim in the

bioenergy,

the life energy.

A night stay is going to cost you like 300 bucks.

Although when I looked at the web, that's what they say, but when you look at the website, they've got deals right now.

So you might be able to get in for like half that.

Oh, nice.

Okay, cool.

And can I say, I'm talking about this, this facility has gotten a lot of press, so it's really easy to read some details about it.

There are other wellness resorts, hotels across the country.

Not a ton, but there's more than one.

And each one offers slightly different things.

So like this one, you sleep on the beds and you get the energy and there's a pool.

There are others that have specific like spa areas where you go in a room and get a treatment as opposed to just sleeping on the bed.

Or like they have pet facilities.

If you want to treat your pet with life energy,

then you can do that too.

So there are different things on offer at different facilities, But, and I'm sure some are more expensive depending on where you live too, right?

Like different areas of the country.

But let's say you want to own one.

Why just one night?

It's too powerful.

You can't have it underneath you.

You get overwhelmed.

No, you can't own one, honey.

You just buy them off the website.

So the small, so the adult size

canister for adult

help.

healing, whatever, is $5.99, as in $599.

Let me be very clear.

I know it sounds like a can of rocks and dirt would only be $5.99.

That is not what I mean.

You mean $599?

$599.

For the adult size, that's like a 2.2-pound can.

Okay.

But if that's expensive, maybe you just want to treat your dog.

The pet one is going to cost you $499.

It's slightly smaller.

It's like a 1.8-pound can.

And then your uh,

let's say that you want to treat your kid.

Now that's your cheapest model.

Yes, that is right.

Why?

It is cheaper to heal your child than your pet.

Smaller can, smaller can.

$399 for the 1.2-pound kid can.

Can you imagine getting bombarded with that kind of energy from such a young age?

It's fantastic.

And you just put these little cans under your bed.

Or I guess maybe if you're like working all day, you could probably like put it under your chair.

Like right now, you could have one under your chair and you could just be absorbing life force energy all day long.

Now they do have bigger ones.

so these are the little like i said these are just the little guys they have big cans if you want a real big one and those are really gonna cost you so a 28 pound canister oh wow which also is like i they have a number on the website it's like a hundred times stronger so that's why you would pay more right is 11 000 wow but wow wow wow wow wow sometimes they offer a twofer so you can get two for twenty thousand why do i need two two of them because then it's 200 times stronger

wait wait here's what I think as long as there's no numbers higher than two I should be okay I think what you want what you're trying to decide is like do you just want to put this under your bed or do you want to I don't know like

dig into your foundation and put a bunch of these under your house I mean you know someone would do you want one port with one modem that you use to call prodigy or do you want like eight gig Wi-Fi booming through your house like obviously you if you're gonna go to town you might as well go into Lincoln get the the big cans.

Get the big cans.

But maybe you don't want cans.

Okay.

Maybe you want a box.

A box.

A box?

Yeah.

Because flexible.

After they released the cans and they came out with boxes.

Yeah.

And the boxes

are cause the biophotonizer plus, which is $2,490,

or the biophotonizer alpha.

which is $4,950.

And the advantage of the box is that depending on which side of the the box you have pointed at your head, it's different amounts of energy.

So, like the, like, I mean, it's a rectangular box, right?

You're picturing that, like a shoebox.

If you've got the broadest side facing you, that's the most, but the least concentrated energy.

So, then, as you go to the two smaller sides, right?

So, you've got the edge that's long and thinner, and then the smallest edge on each end of the box, that's the most concentrated beam of life force energy that you're going to absorb.

Okay.

Okay.

So, it gives you options.

You don't get an option with the can, you get an option with the box.

They also have a biophoton-infused eye mask for $299, which they have a whole list of things it'll do for you.

And one of them is improve your self-esteem.

Okay.

So I don't know.

I mean, you do like to sleep with an eye mask.

I do like to sleep with an eye mask, but I don't know how it would impact my self-esteem to spend $300 on an eye mask.

I think it would already be pretty low at that point.

They also have a biophoton-infused pillow for $495, and it comes with fluff instructions.

That's going to be a pass for me.

I already found my pillow.

I know.

I had a moment as I was reading about the pillow where I was.

Not my pillow.

I cannot, no.

Well,

no.

Similar energy in this whole thing.

But

I had a moment of fear, Justin, as I was reading about their special pillow because I know you're on this lifelong quest for like the

perfect pillow.

I used to be.

Not anymore.

The pillow cube.

No, but

I get nervous if I start describing a great pillow to you that you're going to start no i'm you might be vulnerable

i've moved on to blankets a new thing and and the most comfortable wrist braces for corporal tunnel syndrome they don't sell any wrist braces or blankets that i found but now that we've said it i feel like it's going to happen and of course energize biohealing energize spring water of course they have to sell water everybody who is making a fake wellness anything is going to want to sell you a bottle of water that costs too much

for a bottle of water right?

Everybody's going to do that.

This one is sourced from the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.

It's local water.

Now let me, now listen, it comes from some sort of reservoir.

I'm sure it's, I'm sure that it's fine for drinking.

I'm not, I'm not questioning whether or not the water is dangerous, but I'm just going to tell you, as somebody who grew up here in Appalachia and as somebody who knows very well the history of the coal mining industry here, and as somebody who did a science fair project on acid mine drainage that that did win.

Saying that your water comes from the Appalachian Mountains isn't always as clear cut

of a positive as you think it is.

So, anyway, this one is bottled and sold to you for only $150 for a 24-pack.

Yeah.

Wow.

They have financing options.

So don't worry.

Oh my goodness.

Don't worry.

Now,

the thing that stands out the most when you look up Dr.

James Liu or Tesla Biohealing Inc.

is all the letters he's gotten from the FTC and the FDA.

A lot of disagreements there, I'd think.

Yeah, that's actually, it's interesting.

When you try to Google, just like look up Tesla Biohealing Inc., those are the first kinds of things you get are like these letters of warning.

And there's a court case that came up against the facility in Delaware.

There's a facility in Delaware too.

And I haven't, I didn't read all of the specifics, but obviously, and I don't need to because there are claims implicit to this that are not backed by any sort of science.

So it appears that Dr.

Liu at one point was selling an asthma treatment device.

I think it was

advertised as a treatment device called the asthma care kit.

And this was under a previous company called Dr.

Natural Healing Inc.

And the asthma care kit, and this is from the letter from the FTC that he got, I could not find any trace.

I have like tried to find a picture of this or something to tell me what does this look like.

It's been like scrubbed from the internet.

But the asthma care kit consists of a nasal irrigation device and homeopathic spray that purport to prevent or reduce the occurrence of asthma attacks as well as alleviate or reduce the severity of asthma symptoms, including minor shortness of breath, wheezing, or tightness in the chest.

So he made these claims.

They were false because it was a, I mean, it sounds like a neti pot or no, a nasal irrigation device, that would be like those, you know, those sinus instead of a neti pot where you're just sort of pouring the water in.

It'd be those things where you can spray,

irrigate your sinuses, and then a homeopathic spray.

And we know homeopathy isn't real.

So

who wouldn't do these things?

We had to stop making these claims.

And then the FTC noted in their letter that they were closing it out because one, he took a bunch of these claims off the product and two, he sold very few.

So.

So they were kind of over it.

The FDA has, I found a letter from last August, as in 2023.

So this has been over a year ago, where the FDA sent a letter about the Tesla MedBed, biohealing products, and said, basically, you are marketing medical devices.

These constitute medical devices, and there is a process for getting...

We have laws.

Yes, a medical device approved, and you haven't done any of it.

I couldn't find a closing letter in that action to see what.

what happened with that.

So I don't know if that's ongoing.

I don't know.

I don't know what's happening there.

But definitely the FDA has noticed.

But Dr.

Liu is always quick to remind you that these aren't medical devices.

These aren't treatments.

These aren't cures.

The people who he takes money from at the Old Holiday Inn aren't patients.

He says that very clearly.

We are not a clinic, not a doctor's office.

For me, for the company, I always call them customers.

All right.

That's what they are.

Customers come first at the Tesla Biohealing Resort by Wyndham.

There is a process by which you can receive refunds, but

I was reading through it on the website.

It's very complicated and it is not a complete refund.

There are other facilities in Delaware, Illinois, Arizona, Massachusetts, and there are two

in Florida.

Yeah.

Oh, Florida.

Listen, I can't say much.

I live in West Virginia, but you never failed at this point.

So you can find other facilities across the country.

Please don't.

So there is no, I don't even, I don't know how I unravel why this would not work because it doesn't make any sense what they're saying.

It would work.

It's a big nothing.

It would be a waste of money.

Um, I will say, and now they do, they have two clinical trials that they say they're working on to prove that it works.

Um, there was a one is ongoing, so you could still get enrolled in it, uh, which is on Alzheimer's, dementia, and traumatic brain injury and Parkinson's.

And then they have another one that they say they've completed on chronic stroke patients, and they put out a press release about how great it went, but I can't actually find the data from it.

They just the press release, so that means nothing, right?

If it's not published and peer-reviewed and blah, blah, blah, we know a press release about it doesn't mean anything.

Here's the weirdest thing.

If you start digging into med beds,

this is not a corner of the internet I want to be on ever again.

I looked it up on TikTok and I will hate my algorithm for a long time now because the idea that med beds in general are the future of medicine

has really penetrated a lot of QAnon type conspiracy circles.

And I don't just mean the Tesla med beds.

There are definitely people who are huge fans of this as the thing that's going to save us all.

But if you start digging, there are tons of med beds out there.

Some of them are sort of like weird space sage-looking pods that you can pay to go sleep in.

The science that the people who

take your money so that you can sleep in them, the science that they try to explain for them makes no more sense than this does.

Sometimes they don't always talk about biophotons, but they're always just talking about some vague idea of energy that they're surrounding you in.

And then the idea that you're treating yourself, which maybe that's the loophole.

You're curing yourself.

We're not curing you.

We're just facilitating your body's ability to cure itself.

You didn't cure you good enough.

So how can we, you can't blame us.

You should have cured you better.

You didn't believe hard enough.

That's right.

That's what it is, right?

What I have found is that there is one specific conspiracy theory that

there are people like Donald Trump who have been using these for a long time and many other wealthy and powerful families.

It could be alien technology.

We're not sure.

And that now that he has won the election, he will make sure that all of us get a free med bed.

Well, that's at least that's something to look forward to.

I wanted to point out on their,

I've been looking at the menu.

The website is truly wild.

I've been looking at the menu for the on-site restaurant, and I just want to, I want want to, I'd like to close with this thought, Sydney.

One of the energized sweets at the cafe is the, and this is one of their signature dishes, right?

The Guinness Brownie Trifle.

Housemade Guinness chocolate brownies layered with Bailey's Irish whipped cream and chocolate sauce.

That sounds great.

Now, that sounds great, right?

So obviously I'm not shaming me because I would eat that.

But what exactly?

Are these beds fixing?

What damage are they undoing that has not been done to me specifically by Guinness Brownie trifles layered with Bailey's Irish whipped cream?

That is the exact thing that I'm trying to get out, right?

Everything in that is...

Aren't those the toxins that they're worked up about?

Are they chucking you full of Guinness whipped cream?

Like, we're fixing you.

Justin?

This is a wild one, babe.

Like, this one's like...

Pretty beyond.

There's fish and chips.

Tell me there's fish and chips.

It fits perfectly.

This is why when I saw Tesla, I just assumed it was the Tesla, is because we are also talking about a time where the soon-to-be head of the Department of Health and Human Services

a week ago was talking about basically how food like McDonald's is poison.

And then just now was photographed sitting across from Donald Trump eating McDonald's.

Yeah.

Because the cognitive dissonance is part of it.

Right.

But what I will say is I did find what I'm pretty sure, and I'm not good at identifying this, a very deep fake of Elon Musk talking about Tesla med beds.

Weird.

I can't imagine it's real, though, because this has no relation to Tesla.

And I would think if he wanted to sell Tesla med beds, oh, he could.

I mean, but he probably wouldn't let this other company get all the money.

I don't know.

But anyway, there's nothing here.

This is wild.

This is a wild one.

I would not advise, please, I don't buy these products.

We could get out here.

Don't go to these.

We could get out here.

If you you want to go out for a week with a with a camera just go film ourselves i can't i don't i don't want i i really don't want to like that feels too predatory i don't want to like yell or argue with people and i would not be able to just like experience it because what i because for us it would be like investigation but for some people they go to these places as the last they're clinging to this

i know you're absolutely right right that's what makes that's why it's okay to get angry about it that's why if this upsets you that's okay.

Like it's not, yes, it's it's ridiculous and we can laugh at how ridiculous it is, but at its core, we need to call it out when we see it because it's predatory and harmful.

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