#586 - Never Trust Your Cousin - Clanton, Alabama

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Clanton

C-L-A

Clanton

There you go

A ton of clan

Yeah We are going down south today to Clanton, Alabama. Okay.
Clanton, C-L-A, clan-ton. There you go.
A ton of clan. Like Ike.
Yeah, like Ike probably. Wait, with a K? No, no, no.
It's with a C. With a C.
Not that kind of clan. This is in central Alabama.
It's about 40 minutes to Montgomery, which is the capital of Alabama, if you didn't know that. About an hour to Birmingham and about 25 minutes to Calera, Alabama, which was our last Alabama episode.
Death, love, and OnlyFans. We did the virtual live show about that.
That was a wild episode. So this is in Chilton County.
Population here is 8,715 in this town. So pretty small little area, but, know, the suburbs of the, of, you know, of Montgomery, uh, the median income here, median household income is well under the national average.
It's $48,051, which is over $20,000 less than the national average. And then the median home price is also pretty low here.
$197,600. Not bad.
The motto here, again, this is here and 700 other towns, a good place to visit. A better place to live.
Yeah. There you go.
Yeah, work, play, visit. That's the shit.
A little bit of history. So the area that would be Clanton later was first known as Goose Pond.
Sure. Probably pretty self-explanatory what that one was.
Yeah, it's goose shit. And also Ranch.
It was a town called Ranch right next, just Ranch there. That was in Baker County, which was what Chilton County used to be.
And that was in 1868 this was founded. So just after the Civil War there, Reconstruction era here.
soon after the town of Clanton took its name from the South and North Alabama Railroad Station at that time. So that's just what they did.
And during World War II there was a small German prisoner of war camp located in Clanton as well. Today it's all about peaches, baby.
It's all peaches down here. Number one industry in the the county that's where all the local money comes from and the city of clanton constructed a water tower in the shape of a peach in 1993 so what the hell it became a landmark that people got's the peach water tower reviews of this town here few because we've never been here we don't know what the hell is going on.
Here's five stars. I love the small town feel of Clanton.

Everyone knows everyone, and everyone you meet is a lifelong friend.

All the time.

Whether you like it or not.

You're the lifelong friend.

You're stuck with them.

Wow.

Here's four stars.

This sounds like the beginning of a novel, this person's writing.

In the heart of a vast forest, nestled between winding rivers and rolling hills, lay Clanton. And then it's going to tell you about a horrible murder that took place there.
This city, with its cobblestone streets and weathered brick buildings, exuded a timeless charm. Founded over two centuries ago by settlers seeking peace, Clanton became a haven for those who cherished a simpler way of life.
Each summer, Clanton's annual Peach Festival transformed the town square into a vibrant celebration. This sounds like the town's no longer there.
Like the volcano took it, like it's Vesuvius or something. This is, what the hell's going on here? Every time I hear this about a southern town, I'm like, yeah, but, you know.
Yeah, but, you know, there's a, yeah. Exactly.
The air was filled with the sweet scent of ripe peaches and the joy of the community coming together. Despite its imperfections, Clanton's magic lay in its strong sense of community and tradition, making everyone feel like they're part of a cherished story.
Jesus, calm down. All right? Just calm.

It's a small town.

It's just a small town in Alabama.

They're like, it's majestic.

It says, calm down.

Let's all calm down.

Here's three stars.

I have lived in Clanton my whole life,

and it kind of sucks.

That's three stars.

Kind of sucks.

That's what we expect.

Yeah.

There is nothing to do for teenagers.

If you want to do something fun,

like watch a movie or go bowling, you have to go to Prattville. Ah, well, that ruins the whole thing then.
It's only like 30 minutes away from Clanton, but it would be so much better if there was just a few things, like an arcade or a movie theater in Clanton. This guy doesn't even want, he just wants like an 80s childhood existence.
Give me an arcade and a movie theater, I'll go bowling, and I'm very happy. Give me some double dragon.
Jesus Christ. This guy's just like, put me up on a Qbert machine and let me go.
Pining for that Street Fighter arcade. Goddamn.
All there is restaurants. I guess all there is is restaurants.
And some of them have the worst food you can put your hands on. Not to call anybody out, but San Marcos is the worst, followed very closely by, I don't know if you ever heard of this place before, a little local joint, Wendy's.
Now, I'm not going to say that. Not to call anybody out, but here we go.
But here we go. Making a list.
Now, I'm not saying that all the eating joints are bad, or restaurants as we call them in the rest of the planet, eating joints. Neighborhood Grill and Bertoloni's

are very good. The residents aren't bad

by no means. You've just

got to look for good ones. The roads

are bad. Like, I have a Mustang, and you'll

beat your car to death if you drive like a normal person,

so you have to ride in the middle of the road on

almost all the roads, except for 31 and

22, but that's Chilton County.

Okay.

Wow. Things to do here.
The Peach Jam i see yes yeah a little clever there uh peach uh jam is in june it's a free outdoor festivals featuring live music from country's greatest artists i bet they're not you know they are you know you can come early and bring your blankets and chairs and line it up here. The Entertainment, on Friday, June 7th, it's Gospel Night.
Uh-oh. And it says, this important event is sponsored by Amphurst Credit Union.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we got Gospel Night, but they don't say, oh, the evening kicks off at 6 p.m.
with local talent Matt Littlejohn. You know, country's top artist.
That's not the gospel guy? No, and an inspirational word from Thorsby First Baptist Associate Pastor. Wow.
Inspirational word? That's what I want when I'm trying to drink and listen to music. Trying to have a good time.
Leave me alone. Hey, Pastor, it's Friday night at 8 o'clock.
You don't exist right now. You know what I mean? You gotta go.
Trying to get a i mean you gotta go shut your fucking mouth you gotta go trying to get the wife to get a little little frisky later you know what i mean uh our headliner is grammy nominated artist rhett walker yeah i don't know who that is he's fine okay uh saturday june 8th is the multi-platinum recording artist chris jansen will take the main stage j. Don't know who that is.
And then also set to play is Selma, Alabama bred singer-songwriter Charlie Argo. Don't know him.
They made the movie after him, I guess. I don't know.
I don't know who that is. I think that was the kidnapping that Ben Affleck liked.
It's the Ben Affleck movie, yeah. He was like, you know, that guy's got something.
Isn't that Argo? Is it kidnapping or something? Yeah, overseas and all that shit. That said, let's talk about some murder here.
Let's do it. I have to warn you, the murder part is extremely disturbing here.
Graphic? Yeah, there's a pretty good description of it from the murderer. And it's disturbing, disturbing dude it's a very disturbing tale uh so we'll get into this here first up let's talk about a guy james lee osgood jimmy jimmy lee oh yeah which is half the guys in central alabama named jimmy lee something so old old jimmy here he's born august 28th 1969 and he goes by Jimmy that's everybody calls him and uh him and his siblings he had a terrible life mind you this guy absolutely awful where'd he grow up worse here but worse than most people um really his biological parents his biological mother was a drug addict and a prostitute sure and the father was an abusive lunatic drug addict.
So him and his siblings were just abandoned by their biological parents when he was a baby. They were just like abandoned.
He, as an infant, and his older sister, who's like a year older, both had severe malnutrition and rickets from... Rickets? Rickets.
like a bill hicks yeah that's rickets yeah what's scurvy too did they have any other preventable things you could fuck that's horrible but that's how the other sailor diseases right well that's how little they were paid attention to as babies so then in addition to that that, you know, they have the whole attachment disorder problem, too, where they're not going to. Yeah, they're going to be trust anybody cold as ice, too.
They have no. Oh, boy.
That's how psychopaths are made. Don't touch an infant.
And you're going to get you can get something real bad out of that. So his sister's name is Anne Marie.
And she said she's about a year older than Jimmy. And she said, you know, they how, you know, that's where the yeah, they ended up being adopted at a young age.
Their adopted parents, Richard and Peggy Osgood, Dick and Peggy boy, that is some old school shit. They were extremely abusive.
Really? Yes. That's crazy to me.
To adopt children and abuse them is insane. That's nuts.
that's crazy to me to adopt children and abuse them is insane that's nuts that's fucking crazy I get you had a kid and you didn't want to have a kid but you had a kid I still don't think you should beat them obviously or you know abuse them in any way but at least the psychology makes sense there you might blame them for ruining your life or whatever the fuck weird you know mental issue you have but there's also the there's also the like i can't believe you can abuse your own children and then yes i guess it's more it's more more believable that an adopted parent would do it because no they didn't have to attachment to them but they wanted they went out and filled out paperwork for this no they don't just come knock at your door go you want a kid and you go i guess and then they drop beat it. You had to go.
W2 for this. Yes, you had to go like this.
There's a lot of paperwork. You had to go for appointments and talk to people.
All that to beat the shit out of them. Why not just leave them alone? Crazy.
Anne Marie testifies later on in a hearing that Peggy was an alcoholic who would frequently take both children, she and Jimmy, to bars and leave them with strangers. So she can get hammered? While she, quote, went off with guys.
Oh. So she's a prostitute too? Her mom was doing a little bit of prostituting on the side.
Yes. And they'd leave the kids.
We're talking like a three-year-old and a four-year-old. She'd just leave them at the bar.
That's not great.

Who let her have kids?

I mean, who gave these people

kids? I don't know if they were...

Who checked the checklist to let them

do this? We don't know if this is family

friends and it was like a private thing or if this

is like an adoption agency

said, oh, these people are a great candidate to

raise children. I don't know.

She said, Anne-Marie

said that when she was

very young, pre-kindergarten, so

Thank you. said oh these people are a great candidate to raise children i don't know so um she said ann marie said that when she was very young pre-kindergarten so three four years old um that jimmy watched saw this as he was three her a four-year-old being forced to perform oral sex on a man in a bar in a bar no no one, no.
No one else in that bar thought that was a fucking problem? No one else in the bar said, I'm going to go stab that guy in the throat right now. No one said that.
I'm going to take the beer opener and fucking put it in his eyeball. That was nobody's thought.
I'm going to make a shank out of this beer bottle on his head. That's what I mean.
No one thought of that? I don't understand it. Nothing.
Wow. On multiple occasions, she she and he and especially he apparently was both physically and sexually abused starting when he was five or six years old um wow i guess he was left alone in in bars as a child too and also he like his sister he was also forced to perform oral sex on a strange man in a bar.
What bar? That's what I mean. What bar is this? What bar is this? It's a crazy bar.
Burn that thing to the ground. No bouncer here, obviously, because I know that's against the rules.
Molesting children on the floor. I don't even know if there's a bartender.
Oh, shit. It's just a fucking empty room and a couple of booze bottles you go in.
so after that Ann Marie said that she and Jimmy were put into foster care

and Shit, it's just a fucking empty room and a couple of booze bottles you go in. So after that, Anne-Marie said that she and Jimmy were put into foster care until their adopted father ultimately regained custody.
Because I guess Dick wasn't involved as much as Peggy in the fuckery here. In the abuse.
In the abuse. So according to Anne-Marie, though, their father was a stern disciplinarian.
So the complete opposite problem. Yeah.
Complete opposite problem. And to the point where when Jimmy would wet the bed, you know, because he's got psychological problems at this point, he would not give him water for like half the day.
So he wouldn't wet the bed. So he doesn't have piss to put in the bed.
No piss. Yeah.
He'd go to bed dehydrated, and that's how they did it. Osgood's parents were investigated by state social workers after allegations that they excessively punished Jimmy and his siblings, but mainly Jimmy.
The reports also indicated that Jimmy had behavioral problems at school, which that could be said about either of us, too. The report said that Jimmy had both.
That would be us, either one. I think that's across the board for Jimmy.
I was going to say, I know I've gotten that report home before. Jimmy has had behavioral problems at school.
Additional documentation revealed that Osgood was admitted to an adolescent psychiatric unit where he was diagnosed with having a conduct disorder, being under socialized and having a developmental reading disorder. I think it's a catch all for I think it's a catch all phrase for can't control his behavior.
Yeah, that kind of thing. And Dick, his adopted dad, said that also he was in that jimmy was in and out of foster care throughout his childhood and ultimately ended up in the custody of who peggy his adopted mother jesus with whom he had a tumultuous and often violent relationship as if i was him i would beat the shit out of her every day until she fucking got rid of me yeah hi mom pow thanks for letting me fucking making me blow people in a bar when i was fucking four i will kick you in the twat every fucking day every day you bitch you fucking asshole and where's dick too where's him i want to kick him in the balls too how much do they pay you to have me because i'm going to cost you that yeah exactly.
Exactly. And more.
Damaging fucking items around the house. So that's horrible.
Absolutely awful. Then he was placed in group facilities during his teenage years.
When he was 14 Jimmy had a sexual like not a one time thing an ongoing sexual relationship with a 24-year-old when he was 14.

24-year-old woman.

Obviously, that 24-year-old's got some major problems.

Or Jimmy's got crazy games.

Yeah, one or the two.

Jimmy's dick is hanging out of the bottom of his jeans is the only other

explanation for this.

But he ended up getting her pregnant also.

What?

Oh, yeah.

Imagine being a 24-year-old woman getting knocked up by a 14 year old imagine that just imagine that what what you really got to take stock at that point of your life i think alabama is a wild place shit is wild man the sad part is i agree with that but also we hear about this type of shit in every fucking state. That's the sad part, but yeah.
So as he grows up, he becomes a male stripper, Jimmy. He's a great looking guy, huh? Want to see him? It's funny that you said that.
Yeah, I do. There he is.
What? What does he do? What is he doing? Is that a Hitler mustache? No, no, no. That's a full-on 80s, 90s mustache.
That's just all he can grow. That's a mustache.
It's just wispy. He's got a little on the lips still on the sides.
That's weird. It's wispy.
But he's got long, permed, dirty blonde, lion's mane hair. This is like a picture that they would show you of a Chippendales dancer where he like looking back over his shoulder at you with a glare like that's you can tell that's a stripper pick hideous man hideous man he's got a you can see a bare shoulder there that's not good so he also struggles with addiction problems of many, whatever is in front of him pretty much.

Now, his sister Anne-Marie stated that Jimmy is also very loyal and he's a loving uncle to her children.

Nice guy, doesn't hurt them or do anything.

And she also said she never knew him to be violent ever.

Okay.

I guess except around mom.

So apparently, too, he abuses a wide range of substances here. He really doesn't have a thing.
You know, whatever you got. It all feels nice.
Yeah, he loves booze. He loves meth.
He loves fucking coke. He loves opiates.
Whatever he can get his hands on. He's into it.
Yeah. Very sexually, though, very compulsive guy sexually.
Oh. As you with his what happened to him and his upbringing that that would that would be a thing substances that's in his body oh that's not helping either yeah that'll take your inhibitions away and then what do you got away yeah so according uh also to a doctor he attempted suicide in 1997 he's about 28 he attempted suicide I mean, if you're this guy and have this mess of

a life, that might seem...

Yeah. Now, Jimmy

claims to have 10

kids or more, at least 10 that

he knows of, but he only knows where

one of them is. He only

knows the whereabouts of one of them, which

means A, he doesn't care,

and B,

those mothers don't want him to have anything to do with

those fucking kids.

Because he would know where they were if they tracked him down for child support even he would at least know yeah i i know where they are because i send a check that's interesting yeah so at least i'm told to you know what i mean yeah so that's wild in 2010 now so he's he's 40 years old 41 years old here he uh ends up getting a girlfriend a serious girlfriend and i wish i knew more of her background because it has to be more fucked up than his her name is tanya renee van dyke okay tanya van dyke she's born in 71 so you know age appropriate anyway which for him is a coup an age-appropriate girlfriend that's incredible his girlfriend isn't 17 honestly so he's got that's his girlfriend and now she like her best friend and first cousin they hang out with all the time uh her name is tracy lynn brown so we got tanya van dyke Tracy Brown, Tanya's first cousin. Okay.
And Jimmy, of course, obviously. And so Tracy and Tanya worked together at a Clanton healthcare company, too.
So, yeah, they do healthcare shit. So they're close.
I mean, they worked together. They're first cousins.
Yeah, they're pretty close. At this point, I i guess tracy the cousin was starting kind of a new chapter in her life she wanted to get involved in the health care industry and um she wanted to help people and also she was being independent starting to finally be independent in her life and she was you know people she was proud of herself basically so um one of her friends said tracy liked to help others she just as she had just started a new phase of her life.
Growing up Tracy was super fun and everybody wanted to be her friend. So that's the crew here.
Now October 12th, 2010 Jimmy, Tanya, the couple, and Tracy, the cousin here, they all go to where the women work to pick up paychecks. Okay.
So Tracy picks up her paycheck and then they ran various errands all day. They cashed the check.
They paid Tracy's electrical bill. They drove to another town to look at a vehicle that she was considering purchasing.
So she's getting her shit all together here. She's doing well.
So that's kind of what happened on October 12th. Just a lot of errands, busy day for Tracy and the gang here.
Yeah. So October 13th, 2012.
Now Tracy lives in a trailer off County Road 24, which sounds awful. Nothing could sound worse than a trailer off County Road 24.
Not even on it. Off it.
Your address is just County Road 24. No number.
No number. That's crazy.
So she lived at the Martin Trailer Court off County Road 24, and the trailer court is just north of the wow a toga and chilton county lines so it's kind of on the border there so on this day uh she does not come into work tracy no doesn't show up for work the next day after all her errands and everything maybe she's got enough money for that car and she's moving on but done yeah either way apparently she's very reliable because her boss contacted her landlord to say can you check on her because she didn't show up for work today this isn't three days of not showing up for work this is the first day i mean it's imagine your boss has your landlord's phone number that's what i mean she's four hours late and uh wow i mean who knows the boss might live in the trailer park too for all we fucking yeah the boss might know right they might be best friends we don't know yeah so they send a cop over there shilt uh chilton county sheriff's department uh deputy comes over here he and his partner arrive um apparently they get into the house now i don't know if the door is open or how they get into the house, but it's usually for a well check like this. If there's no like signs of foul play or anything like that, they're not going to bust the fucking door down for that unless they've heard screaming or something in there.
You know, can see blood on the walls. Yeah, I can see blood on the walls or some shit.
So they end up in the house, though, and they're calling for Tracy and no answer, no answer. So the officer then said that he went into Tracy Brown's bedroom and saw her lying on the floor next to her bed.
And obviously there's been a problem in here. There's blood everywhere.
Like somebody took blood and put it in a fucking sprinkler and just shot it around the room like hooked it up to a hose it's crazy and she is naked and has stab wounds all over her all over her back and an absolutely horrific neck like her throat's been cut many many times it's horrifying and also a handgun is found at the scene as well.

But she's not shot. She's just

stabbed a lot. So that's

interesting. So right away, is that her gun?

She didn't get a chance to use? Is that somebody's

what happened? So this guy immediately

left the room and called for

more. I'm just a deputy here.
I have no

crime scene. Let's go.

So a lieutenant shows up. He's

a detective with the county sheriff's department and he's the lead investigator. This is Lieutenant Shane Lockhart.
And he was looking at the wounds and it's horrifying, the wounds. And we'll find out how they were all made here in a bit.
And so right away, there is a man in the trailer park who people have been saying have been harassing Tracy for weeks now. Really? Yeah.
When they talk to her friends, people at work, stuff like that, they all say she was talking about some guy in the trailer park that was breaking her balls and blah, blah, blah. So right away they go to this guy.
And this guy, his last name is Richardson. But this guy has a lock solid alibi, like was around 50 people at work when this is going on.
And based on DNA evidence, he's completely excluded from this. Okay.
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So they're like, well, maybe they saw somebody. Maybe she told them.
So they bring him in. They bring in Jimmy.
This is early the next morning. He voluntarily agrees to come in here.
No problem. And they said, yes, we were with her the previous day.
Absolutely. Did a bunch of errands and they read him as Miranda rights.
He said he understands. And he says that, yeah, no, we went to the to get her check.
We went to pay her electric bill. We went to another car, another town for a car, blah, blah, blah.
So they said, OK. And they knew that that was true because they had Tracy had told other people what she was doing.
So they had already corroborated that so they were trying to see if he's going to be truthful and he is sure so he's truthful um then they said let me ask you a question here you ever had sex with tracy brown oh he said no of course not no that's my that's my girlfriend's cousin wouldn't want to do that boy that'll get me in trouble. But they prod a little further, and they ask him a little bit more.
And finally, he said, okay, fine. We had a threesome.
Yikes. Me, her first cousin, and her all had a threesome together.
Well. I mean, I get it.
That's something. Yeah.
This is like, I mean, we could obviously make an Alabama joke here, but like I said, it goes on everywhere. Gal cousins.
Gal cousin fucking. Okay.
So they said, well, how did this come about? What happened here? And Jimmy says, well, Tracy, the cousin, performed oral sex on me. and then Jimmy tells him that then Tracy got on her hands and knees on the bed and performed oral sex on her cousin while he stayed in the back and had both vaginal and anal sex with Tracy.
He was just switching holes while she was going down on her cousin. Yeah, I mean, we can all picture it, I think.
I've seen that in porno a hundred times. Yeah, it happens all the time.
They rarely go see at Thanksgiving. Eat your cousin out, would you? That's a rare one.
So anyway, they ask about the gun, and he said, yeah, we brought the gun over. So that's our gun at the house there because he said that I brought it over to give to Tracy for protection because she had told us that a man in her trailer park was harassing her and stalking her.

So I gave her this gun.

I'm like, all right, well, that makes sense.

She didn't get a chance to use it, obviously.

So further into the interview, the detective here notices a small cut on his right on the finger of his right hand on Jimmy's right hand and he said this is a wound that he sees a lot because it's the type of wound that you get when you're stabbing someone and there's blood everywhere and it's life slips down so he goes it's one of those on the inside so like, hmm. Said he'd seen similar wounds and suspects in previous investigations.
There are people who have been stabbed. So they told him here, the investigator tells Jimmy, you have two options, Jimmy.
Quote, one, you can say, hey, me and her got in a fight, whatever. Something happened.
I didn't want it to happen, I need all the help I can get, and you can beg for forgiveness. Two, you can go out and lie full force, and they're not going to give you any leniency.
He knows that officers really accuse him. Yeah, and this is very much Detective 101.
If you tell us, it'll be much better for you. Yeah.
There no there's nothing better they have unless they've talked to a district attorney they have no way to give you any kind of leniency nobody goes yeah nobody says oh well they admitted it and said they were sorry so i guess we'll go with second degree that that doesn't happen none of that happens so and after the trial the judge doesn't go well you did tell him that you'd help him out yes that's called uh there's a guy on youtube this lawyer guy that does he watches videos and reacts and it's all about he's got a hat on his desk and his whole thing is stop self-snitching he goes that's self-snitching right there just ask for a lawyer jesus what are you doing yeah so anyway um this guy then tells Jimmy that the other investigator here, the guy in charge, he says, listen, he won't sit here all day and talk to you. He'll just do what he's got to do.
And then you won't have no more options to, you know, he can only help yours. So that's that goes on.
Then they said, look, if you want to tell the truth and show sympathy and you know and all that kind of thing, it's possible that you might not go to prison for near as long and you could avoid the death penalty if you just admit it and say you're sorry. He said, I didn't kill her.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is crazy.
So they keep him in custody, though. They go ahead and arrest him because of the cut on the hand.
Now 18th they talk to him again and this is about a 45 minute conversation they he talks about all the events surrounding everything the day before they just start from scratch again basically then out of nowhere Jimmy admits that he had previously lied to the cops about whether he had sex with Brown but he still denied killing her he goes yes I did lie before but now i'm not lying and i'm telling you what happened it was a threesome so this interview began just kind of real you know hey jimmy how you doing today type of deal but i guess jimmy's demeanor started to change and then he stated he was getting pissed off that the officers didn't believe him which is the appropriate reaction of an innocent person yeah that's it i I mean, yeah. If I off yeah oh fuck yeah if i'm an innocent person and you've drugged me in here for hours and you keep accusing me even though i'm telling you the truth i'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself honestly arrest me or let me go because fuck you if you don't believe me i i don't blame him to me that's what an innocent person would do a guilty person would sit there and hope that you let him out at some point an innocent person would be like i'm gonna kick your fucking ass if you take that gun off get me out of here stop accusing me of murder you don't even have to do that you just go am i under arrest no goodbye goodbye no but it's like you're pissed i get being pissed though because you're being when someone's calling you a murderer you should be mad at that if you're not're not a murderer.
Yeah, probably. So the cop said he pushed he stood up, pushed the chair under the table and said, look, you're talking about getting pissed and that's fine.
And then he said, Jimmy, he said, listen, Jimmy, tell the truth and show some more sympathy. That's what you need to do.
And then this happened. Jimmy said, quote, you can't show sympathy for something you didn't do, Jeff.
The girl was alive when we left. I don't know what more I can do or say to get anyone to understand or comprehend that.
The girl was alive and well. Cop says you'd be willing to take a polygraph test.
And Jimmy says, yeah, but what good is that? It's not admissible in court. So Jimmy's no dummy.
Nice work, Jim so Jimmy's no dummy despite when I show you his head earlier that something clearly has happened to his brain you're going to go what the fuck remember the guy from Oklahoma with the pumpkin head this guy's head makes that guy's head look extremely normal trust me just trust me but that's because his hair was on top of his head. Where do you see him with a shaved head? Where do you see the shape of his skull? It is disturbing.
So they said, you know, but what good is it? And the investigator said, well, if both attorneys agree to it, it is also isn't true. Not true.
And Jimmy said, I need to talk to my attorney first before I'll take a polygraph test, assuming that's what he means. But he didn't say, I want my attorney.
He said, I need to talk to my attorney first before I do that. So the investigator said, all right, I'll be right back.
Okay. So obviously that's open to interpretation, but it's not – that's an equivocal asking for a lawyer.
It's not even asking for a lawyer. That's not unequivocally, I want a lawyer, which is what you have to say.
That's saying I'll talk to one eventually, yeah. Yeah, before I do that, I'd like to talk to a lawyer type of thing.
So he steadfastly denies killing Tracy still, though. He's like, this is ridiculous.
So they get search warrants and they're searching his house and vehicle and trying to get physical evidence and all that kind of thing then a month goes by uh here okay this is about november 16th 2010 he's sitting in jail jimmy is in the chilton county jail and he asked the staff about the location of his vehicle and cell phone hey where's my car and cell phone you know, I got places to go from county jail.

So the investigator learned about this request and then went to the jail along with another guy, another cop, to talk with him. Well, that's an excuse to go talk to him now.
We can talk to him about that. He's asking for things.
He's asking for shit. So prior to the encounter, this cop, Lockhart, gets a written statement from a woman named Tiffany Matthews, who is incarcerated with his girlfriend, Tanya Van Dyke.
Now, according to Matthew's statement, Van Dyke admitted that she and Jimmy were involved in the murder and gave this Tiffany Matthews and another prisoner a detailed description of the killing. Oh, So this cop brought a copy of that statement to the jail and read portions of it to Jimmy.
This is what's being said. Yeah.
But he changed the pronouns rather than saying like Tracy saying she said that. Yeah.
She makes it sound. It makes it sound like it's written by his girlfriend.
I did this. I did that.

You know, just in that way.

So that way he thinks his girlfriend wrote a letter to the cops ratting them both out, basically.

So that's how that goes.

He agreed, or I'm sorry, he said that Lockhart, the cop, stated that Jimmy asked for him to read the statement a second time,

after which Jimmy, quote, put his head down and appeared to be in deep thought. After a short time, he picked his head up, just was silent for like a minute and a half, picked his head up and said, quote, you might want to get a pen and a piece of paper.
okay. So then he begins to give a detailed description of everything.
He's about to confess. Everything to the detail because he wants to be more detailed than the girlfriend.
Than what she said. Yeah.
So here we go. This is disturbing, by the way.
Just a little heads up for you. You might want to fast forward about a couple of minutes if you don't like hearing weird, awful shit.
So in this video, Jimmy tells Lockhart that they had seen an episode of the television program CSI. Him and his girlfriend had seen CSI.
What year is this? 2010. Okay.
So, yeah. Now they got it.
It's been on approximately for the last 40 years.

So at some point in the last 40

years it was on. We just saw an episode.

That shit's wild, y'all.

It's 2010.

This particular episode,

two brothers kidnapped a person,

held them in a cage, and tortured

them.

Obviously, behavior you want to model yourself after. Boy, that looks fun.
That looks good. Jimmy told the cop that, quote, for a long time he had watched stuff like that and could see himself doing something like that for pretty much as long as he could remember.
He's had a fantasy of kidnapping and torture forever. Oh, boy.
Which is very disturbing. And it's crazy that it took 40 years for it to happen.
Yeah. If that's what he's saying.
So Jimmy then tells this cop that he discussed his fantasies with Tanya. That's amazing.
By the way, people don't, people don't like to ask for a blow job. You know what I mean? They don't like to ask for some little sexual thing.

This guy's like, all right, check it out.

Here's what we're going to do now.

He even, he got, he got so close with her.

He's like, I don't want to do it to you, but you know, and then after someone torture

him, well, the fucked up part is, and this is how, you know, only fucked up people find

each other like this.

He tells her that expecting her to go, Oh, you're a horrible person. And she said, Me too.
Wow. Now there's two of them.
Now there's two. Wow.
So they began to form a plan in which they would quote, this is a quote from him, find a bad person, like somebody who had molested a child to be their victim, or maybe going to Walmart and snatching someone at random, you know, either or, either a child molester or just some person they find at Walmart. Or somebody that needed to get paper towels today.
Oh my God. So Jesus Christ, eventually they decided, let's just kill your cousin.
Let's just do that. Let's just kill Tracy.
So he then goes into detail. He said that after he and Tracy and Tanya finished running errands, they returned to her trailer and were in a conversation.
Short time later, the women, Tanya and Tracy, went into the hallway near the bathroom, at which point Tanya, out of nowhere, slaps Tracy in the face. Pops her one.
According to Jimmy, the slap was a pre-planned signal for he and Tracy to set their plan into motion. And go.
Yeah. It was like a starter pistol, basically.
Yeah. So he said that he approached Tracy from behind and put her in a chokehold until she was almost unconscious.
Then he and Tanya took Tracy into the bedroom where Jimmy forced Tracy to perform oral sex on him while Tanya pointed a gun at her head. Oh, boy.
Yes. What the fuck are you doing? Jimmy then said he told Tanya to shoot Tracy if Tracy bit his penis.
Whoa. So Tracy asked if she could use the bathroom, at which point Jimmy followed her into the bathroom, and she had to do a number two here.
So when they returned to the bedroom, Tanya undressed and sat at the head of the bed and told her cousin to perform oral sex on her. She sat there like queen shit and said, go down on me, which Jesus Christ.
So then Jimmy said that he was having both vaginal and anal sex with Tracy while she was performing oral sex on Tanya, which he said that truthfully the first time.

He just didn't say it was at gunpoint.

We raped her.

Yes.

They just.

Yeah, exactly.

According to Jimmy, Tracy asked to use the bathroom again.

OK.

Now, Jimmy said that he again accompanied her to the bathroom and made her perform this sentence is just disturbing so he quote made her perform oral sex on him while she was defecating yeah i i i'm out of words man i'm out of words for depravity and fucking i don't even know i don't even know what to say to that he's going real far is what he's doing you don't come back from that no no how disturbed does your brain have to be it's so fucked up how disturbed does your fucking brain have to be to think robbing dignity this is sexual like that to you yeah this is crazy so jimmy told the detectives after she finish using the bathroom, she attempted to escape by running out of the back door of the trailer. Wow.
So he said he prevented the escape by grabbing her hair and dragging her back to the bedroom. He then told detectives he resumed fucking raping her until he and Tanya looked at each other and shook their heads.
At that point, he stated that he took his knife out of his sock and cut her, cut Tracy on the side of her neck in an attempt to cut her jugular vein. Jimmy told the detectives then that he began to get scared because she quote wasn't dying fast enough yeah

oh sorry it's very inconvenient he then said that he fucking stabbed her in the back and continued to cut her throat while he was having sex with her by the way while he was raping her he was fucking cutting her throat he said that he apologized to tracy and told her that it was quote, nothing against her.

She just needed to quit fighting and just let

go. It feels

pretty... He said that he apologized to Tracy and told her that it was, quote, nothing against her.
She just needed to quit fighting and just let go. It feels pretty personal.
I got to be honest. As you're raping me and stabbing me in the throat, I feel I can't help but feel it's personal.
And saying, like, the worst things. Horrible shit.
So Jimmy said after she was dead and he was just cutting her throat like a madman, just slashing back and forth. After she was dead, he went into her bathroom and took a shower.
Then he and Tanya left the trailer, went back to Tanya's house and had sex with each other. Wow.
You know? So he can't even say I did that and was horrified by it and was horrified by my own action no that he made him horny er yeah i'm not done wow i'm i'm i'm this motherfucker is never mind this motherfucker the two of them are together they're in on this together this is crazy crazy. This is her own cousin.
Tanya's a monster, too. This is insane.
So, anyway, he's going to go to trial, obviously, here. With that on paper.
With all of that. Not on paper, on video.
That was on a video of that. He's going to trial? He's going to trial, and they're going to show that to a jury.
Okay. Imagine if you heard what I just told you come out of that person's mouth and watched it come out of his mouth and then you had the opportunity to put him in prison.
To judge him on it, put him in prison. You couldn't wait to put him in prison.
Oh, boy. Why are we here? What are we doing? Yeah.
He's charged with capital murder because the slaying was committed during the rape in the first degree.

And he faces a second capital charge because the slaying was committed while sodomy in the first degree occurred.

So they are absolutely going for the death penalty on this one.

Yeah.

Let me show you his picture, Jimmy.

Okay.

Here's the useless guy.

Okay.

Now, I'm going to show you the face first and then I'll pan up to the top of his head.

So there's his face.

Yeah. Nice eyes.
Normal guy. Now now let me do the reveal oh what the fuck is that it looks like he's got a man bun made of skull on top of his head he's got a skullica i've never seen that before he's got a he's got a yarmulke that's just bone.
It's a giant, humongous thing on his fucking head. I don't know.
Is it a tumor? I think his skull is fucking deformed or something. You can see why he had long hair, though, right? Yeah.
You'd want to cover it. And it was like puffy, like an 80s rock star.
Otherwise, if if you had long hair you'd still have a big lump on top of it what is that that is what happened all i have to say is i'm happy that happened to him he deserves he deserves that fucking head he's earned that head oh my god so um yeah so there's all of these and uh the prosecution during their opening says quote when tracy brown woke up that morning she had no idea what was in store for her oh shit tracy brown's day and tracy brown's life ended as she laid face down in her bedroom her throat cut nearly ear to ear gasping her last breath so they also talk talk about the details of it to the jury in the opening.

They want to shock the jury here. This man pled not guilty?

Not guilty.

And went to trial.

Went to fucking trial.

I can't believe it.

It's pretty ballsy, I got to say.

So during the opening statement here, his lawyer, this is Jimmy's lawyer here, said that he doesn't tell the jury that he's completely innocent. He just tells him to pay attention.
He said, don't get caught up on the procedural things. He said, our Constitution guarantees everyone has a right to a fair trial.
Listen to the evidence, all the evidence. Don't make up your mind just after hearing from the first one or two witnesses.
Listen to everything and then put my client in the electric chair. That's what he said, basically.
Listen to everything before we make s'mores on his toes. Oh, God.
So they fucking take him to, they show the video of his interrogation here, of his confession, I should say, and it's describing detailed graphic accounts and i didn't use his words but he often uses pretty vulgar language he's not saying like you know i made her have oral sex with this he's he's being a fucking monster he's being a pig yeah you know what's crazy is he goes i'm not gonna take a polygraph that's not admissible in court full confession. That's admissible.
That's admissible. That won't even, you guys can't even convict me with that.
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Because that was, he sat and thought about it for a minute and then he was like i'll tell you what happened fuck it get a pen so in the video he said that he told brown after cutting her that he was sorry and that it was nothing against her and so they heard him say that shit he uh he also told the investigators that he first got the idea from csi and all that This is after they've heard testimony from all these witnesses saying what a monster he is and everything else. So during the closing argument, there can't be a lot to talk about in this trial.
You pretty much go, here's the video and have a good time deliberating. So during the prosecution or during the closings, prosecution said Tracy died because two people wanted to know what it was like to kill someone.
The man who slit her throat told us what happened. That man sits in the courtroom today.
Mr. James Osgood.
That's the guy. Defense attorney said, hey, listen.
Oh, I know things look bad here. Come on.
Then he said that, yeah, none of this is normal. We get that.
We get having sex with your cousin and with your girlfriend or cousin. That's not normal.
But he said nothing in this man's life has been normal. He said, yeah.
He said, fine, find him guilty of murder if you want to. He said, but not capital murder.
That's crazy. Just regular murder.
he told he said that uh if you basically the judge is going to probably give you lesser charges to consider when you go to deliberations. He said, quote, the judge will likely give you another possible verdict of murder, intentional murder, murder where you don't have the added enhancements to make it a capital case.
We ask you to consider each element and strongly ask you to consider their lesser possibility of murder and not finding him guilty of capital murder. He said that and he also this is wild during his closing here.
He said that he tried to tell the jury that the sex acts committed between them were all consensual. Oh, she consensual.
She wanted that. She wanted to give gunpoint blowjobs.
That's what she was looking for. That turns her on.
She's Janice Soprano. That turns her on.
So anyway, the prosecutor came back and said, no, don't buy any of that. The prosecutor said, quote, why did Tracy Brown die? The life was taken because that man right there wanted to fulfill some twisted fantasy to kill someone.
He enjoyed it. The same things you've heard this week that turned your stomach, that turned him on.
He said, consensual? Consensual? Are you kidding me? Playoffs? He was like, no. Practice? Talk about practice.
So the verdict comes in. Guilty as fuck, is what they said.
We find the defendant guilty as fuck, your honor. Of what? Capital fucking murder.
That's what they said. Yeah.
He said it. Some 78-year-old Alabama church woman probably said that too.
Capital fucking murder, your honor. So the sentencing comes around and the state is asking the jury to recommend the death sentence obviously under the aggravating circumstances that the capital offense was committed during the course of a rape and the capital offense was especially heinous atrocious or cruel compared to other capital offenses and we do this show we hear about nothing but murders this is especially heinous atrocious and cruel compared to other cases this is very very shitty this is a top 10 percent fucked up crime so this isn't you know a gunshot to the back of the head real quick and trying to get some insurance money this is crazy they didn't have a threesome with a girl they raped her cousin they raped and killed her cousin period that's crazy done um so the mitigators they call three okay, for mitigation to try to save his life.
One is Anne Marie Osgood, his sister, talk about their harrowing childhood. The other is a forensic psychiatrist, Dr.
Leonard Mulberry, Jr. And the next is a mitigation specialist named, couldn't make this up, Teal Dick.
Teal like the color, T-E-a-l-d-i-c-k teal dick old teal dick southwestern cock there pastel dick that's right so that is uh that's interesting so jimmy's sister talks about her brother and she said that um you know i still love him very much and it's always been me and Jimmy against the world, she said. She said, I don't condone what happened and what he has done, but I will always love my brother.
He didn't want me to come today, but I wanted to because I wanted to let people know that he is loved. Why? Tells him all about the childhood, the abuse from the early age, and she's crying on the stand and all that which it's a terrible childhood obviously my mother is a drug addict and a prostitute and blah blah blah blah I'm sure that's awful it's terrible still can't murder people and rape them no and not like that she said Jimmy always focused on the fact that he was abandoned by our biological parents even to this day he talks about why we were abandoned and the fact that our parents didn't want us that stuck with him now teal dick gets up there yeah and he said that malnutrition such as he had as an infant and having rickets and all that yeah he said that has been linked to low development of your brain low iq and antisocial behavior which i'm sure and brain's development if it doesn't have the things it, it'll fuck everything up.
You don't have the vitamins to maintain it? Sure. Yeah, and if it happens then, it short-circuits it forever because that's when all the building blocks of your development happen.
He also testified that he interviewed Jimmy on multiple occasions and that Jimmy claimed he was both physically and sexually abused beginning when he was four or five years old and stated that Jimmy, like his sister, was left alone in bars and forced to perform oral sex on strange men. He provided the jury with an explanation of how a human brain develops from childhood and says that Jimmy's brain was hindered by the circumstances in which he grew up.
Specifically, he points out Osgood's lack of attachment at an early age. I think I said that earlier and continued to Osgood's manipulative, uh, being manipulative, lacking emotions and being abnormally insensitive to punishment.
He's just a fucking psychopath. Basically blank slate.
He also stated that Osgood is unable to have real empathy or to connect with other people. And according to Dick, uh, Teal Dick, his early abandonment and malnutrition contributed to his present psychological state.
Basically, this guy in front of you had no control over the fact that he's just fucked up, is what he's saying. Yeah, because he didn't have any vitamin B12 when he was three months old.
Yeah, he's got nothing. He had the scurvy.
So then they get the psychiatrist in there. But Tealick also said that the lack of early bonding with his parents, coupled with his experiences, predisposed him to behaviors that led to this kind of conduct.
Guy didn't have any carrots. Got nothing.
So Dr. Leonard Mulby here, forensic psychiatrist, testified that he interviewed Osgood on two occasions and performed a psychiatric evaluation.
He stated that he was asked specifically to evaluate Osgood's unusual sexual behaviors to determine whether he exhibited compulsive sexual behavior or addiction. Now, according to this doctor here, Jimmy revealed that he was sexually abused at three or four.
His first sexual encounters were with other children at the age of nine. His first non being raped by an adult and that when he was 14, he became impregnated a 24 year old woman that he was in a relationship with.
This doctor diagnosed him with alcohol use disorder, methamphetamine use disorder and antisocial antisocial personality disorder. Also diagnosed him with sexual addiction there and said that he reported having 10 children but knew the whereabouts of only one and said that his background definitely contributed to the development of his antisocial personality disorder, which contributed to all this behavior.
That's what happens when you don't eat your peas. That's it right there.
You need your fucking vitamins. Eat that orange.
And with all these peaches around, too, that's the sad part. All these peaches.
All these peaches. No vitamins.
Pick a peach off the ground. Give it to the kid.
Jesus. So Tracy's family also addresses the court here.
This is her stepmother, Jackie, says, I saw all the autopsy photos.

They were really.

Oh, God damn it.

They were in court every day.

They were really horrible.

I can't imagine anyone doing that to someone, even their worst enemy.

I don't know what kind of mind that has that kind of thinking.

Where is your mind?

Where is your humanity?

I just don't understand.

Yeah, a normal person can't understand that.

It's so disturbed.

The prosecutor says James Osgood planned to kill Tracy Brown, fantasized about doing it, but killing her was not enough. He raped her.
He sodomized her. He taunted her.
He cut her throat multiple times and stabbed her twice in the lungs because she wasn't dying fast enough. Your Honor

Yeah, so

He says, Your Honor, the death penalty

Has no place in Alabama unless it is

Imposed for crimes like these conducted by this asshole, basically. So the jury takes about 30 minutes here for the sentencing.
It's going to be quick. And it's a unanimous verdict.
And the judge says, quote, Mr. Osgood, that sentence,good this sentence is not given lightly I can't think of a darker set of facts than what you have given us you sir may fuck off death penalty yeah so Tanya says oh fuck and pleads guilty yeah she's like well he didn't that's what i mean so she pleads guilty to all the chart whatever you got just take the death penalty off the table and they do and um during the sentencing the prosecutor said it was the most grisly scene i've ever seen the death was not instantaneous it drug out it was brutal she was tortured for almost an hour before she was finally killed.
Now, obviously, nothing will ever bring back Tracy Brown. Her life is gone.
But the gentleman involved, he has received the death penalty. And Ms.
Van Dyke will be in a jail cell for the rest of her life and never have any hope of leaving. And you, ma'am, may fuck off life without for you.
And what's her fucking excuse? Did she not have asparagus that's we don't know we

don't know they didn't lady we didn't do the mitigating factors because she didn't this wasn't up for the death penalty so they said um tracy's family said we know nothing will bring tracy back but this will help us move forward with our lives this has been a tremendously long long road for all of us but it's nice that we can have some closure so yeah because we just put we just put my niece in forever. So this is a mess for this family.
So they said, we weren't sure we would live to see the end of this, but we hope to never hear Tanya's name ever again. That's what one of the family members said.
This will never leave us. I'm not sure Tanya is sorry for what she did.
To murder my sister and her cousin. Life without parole is pretty easy.
We grew up together and I just don't understand it. So the prosecutor said not just because of Tracy Brown's brutal death, but because of the slow, agonizing way she died.
It's scary that anyone can care so little for human life that a family member was tortured and murdered to fulfill a sick fantasy. James Osgood is on death row, and Tanya Van Dyke will die in prison with no hope of ever leaving.
Tracy Brown deserved justice, and although it took almost five years, I feel like it was finally served today. Now, very quickly, he appeals this in 2016.
Really? 39 grounds for appeal he has. Is that right? We're not going to go over all of them, obviously.
We have like eight minutes left in the show. So what we're going to do here instead here is, quickly, he argues that the statements he gave police during the November 16th interview, the confession, which he admitted to raping, sodomizing, and killing Tracy, were unconstitutionally obtained because he doesn't dispute that he signed a waiver of his Miranda rights, but he asserts that because he invoked his right to counsel on October 18th, and that he never reinitiated contact with law enforcement regarding the investigation, the police violated his constitutional rights when they conducted the November 16th,

2010 interview, even though he signed his Miranda rights away.

He asked to talk to them, talk about his phone and his truck.

And that's why they that's why they went there, because they said, oh, loophole.

He wants to talk to us.

So that means he called us to find a question out.

So now we can talk to him.

If he waives his Miranda rights, then we can talk to him about the murder.

Otherwise, they can't reinitiate contact feels feels legit to me yeah even uh when they were when damer was caught and they were talking to him every day yeah every day jeffrey damer had to wake up and tell the tell the uh the jailer i want to talk to those detectives or else they weren't allowed to talk to him. He had to say it every day that he wanted to talk to him.

So, yeah, that's one of his claims.

He also claims that his mitigating factors weren't considered enough.

Weren't considered enough.

But I didn't get my veggies.

So they said that, yeah, family life and drug use precluded the jury from considering other non statutory mitigating circumstances offered by him and that the instruction suggested to the jury that there was at least one scenario in which the jury should not even consider mitigating circumstances in his deliberations. The judge's instructions are a big deal here.
Due to improper jury instructions, the convictions stay, but the sentences are reversed. And now he has to go back for resentencing.
so in 2018 this is so weird they have to do that phase of the trial

over again

he's guilty but they have to pick a new jury

just to do the penalty phase again

alright

so they're gonna re re-offend all these people you know you're gonna a new group of them not the same ones 12 more people these fucking pictures let's bring them in now tell us what we should do with them we're gonna fuck your day all up everybody come on in so they ask him if he's got anything to say and jimmy says this quote i've always been a firm believer in an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth a life for a life if you can't do the time don't commit the crime if you follow it up with 400 other cliches penny saves a penny earned you never tell you that Holy shit he says then he says this is the most understated thing in the world yeah he says quote okay i screwed up wow really wow wow okay i screwed up yeah that is amazing i deserve what i was given when i was told by the appeal court that this was coming back for a re-sentence, I screwed up. Yeah.
That is amazing. I deserve what I was given.
When I was told by the appeal court that this was coming back for a resentence, I was worried because my worry was the jury would come back with life without parole, and I didn't want that. I remember when I was sentenced, the things you told me, the manner in which you told me.
So I took it that if I put the sentence in your hands again, meaning the judge, I would get the same sentence, which would be death. And the court said, is that what you are knowingly asking me for, death? And he said, yes, sir.
The judge says, well then, you, sir, may fuck on off. Fucking death penalty again, asshole.
Sure. If you want it that bad, fuck it, I guess, right? So, 2020 changes his mind about wanting to die.
Now he's so sure yeah he's found some years yeah he's got some stuff going on in there he's you know training dogs or something he's doing fine yeah so he appeals the death sentence um but it doesn't work and it's still on the books so then by summer 2024 last summer he's getting upset he wants an execution date he's like at least tell

me when it's happening now if you're not gonna if you're not gonna take it away at least kill me already fuck he wrote in a letter to his attorney i no longer feel as if i'm even existing i'm tired i want to complete my sentence he's done yeah now you're understanding what the death penalty is about now you're getting it it's torture so march 2025 here so last month yeah here um the it was announced that on april 24th 2025 very soon that is his execution day yeah and the governor said although i have no current plans to grant clemency in this case i retain my authority under the Constitution to grant a reprieve or commutation if necessary any time before it's carried out.

So currently there is a save this scumbag movement here, which I don't care if he's in there for life or kill him, do whatever you want.

It doesn't matter.

He's a piece of shit.

This is one of those guys.

We're not big death penalty guys, but this is one of those people where it's like okay he definitely did it dna evidence he confessed in detail to it he's one of the sickest fucks who's ever lived and if he's in prison he's just going to do more shit that we're gonna have to pay for so i hope his final meal is all vegetables all veggies but he also didn't really fucking i don't't know, this is just a mess.

He's a mess.

He's doing nothing to redeem himself either.

He's just jamming up the system and costing us more money.

That's the thing.

All of these appeals, I can't tell you how much money this costs.

Whereas if it was just life without parole, all these automatic appeals wouldn't be as deep.

That sentence is really deep.

So this is ActionNetwork.org has a stop the execution of James Osgood in Alabama. And it says to Governor Kay Ivey, we are writing you to ask that you stop the execution of James Osgood.
The vast majority of states with capital punishment continue on a downward trend of executions. Alabama has continued to go against the trend by carrying on with its scheduled execution dates.
Alabama must delay all executions for a thorough study of its capital punishment process and consider the serious objections raised as to how it administers the death penalty. Yeah.
Alabama has repeatedly shown it's not capable of carrying out executions as it's botching, botching its lethal injection process amounting to cruel punishment and the torture of prisoners and uh so yeah they asked you stop this execution build a giant microwave and put him in it he's no this is this is fucking crazy yeah this is one of those things though doesn't bother me if he was in life without parole really don't care i don't really give a shit either way honestly just whichever whatever you're gonna do it do it but do it fast and get rid of him because he's him because he's deserves what he's getting. That dude in the wires holding the gun on Bubbles when he bumped his cart into Marlo's car.
Marlo comes out and says, what? Do it or don't, but let's fucking go. What are we doing here? So anyway, there you go, everybody.
That is Clanton, Alabama. That's disturbing, is it not? Unbelievable.
Completely unprovoked. This woman did nothing to deserve this no one was mad at her no one was trying to get anything from her they didn't rob her they're just like wouldn't it be fun to torture somebody and kill them yeah fucking gross so if you enjoyed sprouts till he explodes gets it if you enjoy this story please please give tell the world about it give us five stars first of all you enjoyed this story, you're kind of a sick fuck, but at least enjoyed the telling of the story.
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