#585 - Serial Killer's Secret Graveyard - Kingston Township, Pennsylvania

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But will it be enough to convict this suspected serial killer?

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We are going to Pennsylvania this week. We're going to Kingston Township, Pennsylvania.
We've said it in Kingston before, right? In Rhode Island, which this town is named after. So there you go.
It all connects. I'm telling you, man.
When I saw that, I was like, oh, my God, it all connects. Look at that.
This is in northeastern Pennsylvania. It's about a half hour outside of Scranton.
Okay. So this is kind of back in the mountains.
Industrial area. This isn't Philly.
This isn't Pittsburgh. It's rural.
What would you call that? Rural. Is it industrial? Rural, I would call this.
Yeah, it is. I mean, Scranton's got some old industrial stuff, but this is, they call this Back Mountain.
That's the name of this area. Is that right? Back Mountain.
mountain so it is different kind of place than that buddy let me tell you something bad words back mountain that sounds scary definitely you you you hear the the you know the banjos and you're like this is not good back and local people when they hear back mountain that's like colorado people saying western slope like it's not good people over there's frightening. We'll find out here.
It's about 30 minutes to Scranton, about two hours and 15 minutes to Philadelphia and about two hours and 25 minutes to Washington Borough, which was our last episode in Pennsylvania, which was the moronic murders, which was one of the craziest. It's the moronic murders because it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
people were nuts this is in lucerne county lucerne county like the with a dairy product with a z yeah oh l-u-z-e-r-n-e so not a dairy product like that i think that's with a c i'm not sure the safeway store brand is lucerne there you go but that's with a c i think different uh the motto here is the gateway to the back mountain. Okay.
That's the motto of the town. So they're proud of it.
That's being your butthole. You want to get the taint to the back.
It's really the taint. It leads you to the promised land here.
So a little bit of history here. Kingston Township was one of the original townships formed by the Susquehanna Land Company of Connecticut in 1790.
This is old. Yeah.
The township is named after Kingston, Rhode Island and was originally called King's Town, like King's Town. They just dropped the W.
The township was downsized later when whole regions were stripped away to form new municipalities. So it used to be a lot bigger place.
Some reviews of this town. Here's four stars.
In the largest part, Kingston Township is a great place to grow up and settle down. Those in between, however, may find it to be too slow paced and quiet and seek the excitement of distance.
Everybody says nice place to either grow up or retire. That's kind of the way everybody keeps talking about.
Yeah. It's your beginning or your end, not the middle.
Yeah. If you're 26 and out looking for, like, mates, this isn't the place you want to be probably.
Four stars here. Sunoco Gas Station is right down the road from me.
Well, brag. Wow.
Brag much, asshole? Jesus. Aren't you cool? Jesus.
Man. I get those suckers with the scorpions in them and a bag of twisters.
But what else are you going to do? There's a Sunoco like an eighth of a mile from my house. I never thought to brag about it.
It was just rebuilt and is up to date. Wow.
This is just a review for Sunoco. I visit there almost every day because they carry every essential needed.

That's the whole review.

That one probably does because it's probably in a rural area. They're probably

smart to do that.

Cereal and all that kind of shit.

That's it. Three stars

here. There are not many opportunities

here. The people who live here are

all very wealthy, but there's

not a lot of options for the up and coming generations. I didn't really get the wealthy thing here.
The people who live here are all very wealthy, but there's not a lot of options for the up-and-coming generations. I didn't really get the wealthy thing here.
I didn't really get that. There's a Sunoco, man.
Where you get your essentials. I don't know about...
I mean, I'm sure there are some wealthy people that own large swaths of land and shit, but it's... Population...
Oof. Population.
7,076 people here. Okay.
So pretty small.

Way more females than males.

52.7% women here.

So that's way above the Attawak.

It's usually like 50.1.

Median age is higher than it is in the rest of the country.

It's about 48 here, which is 10 years higher than the rest of the land here.

About 56% married.

Very few people divorced. Very few people single with children.
Yeah, I don't know what it is. You just get your plot of land and you're going to stay here and that's that.
You're going to stay married even if you hate each other. So race of this town, 96.8% white, 1.1% black, 1.3% Asian, 0.5% Hispanic.
The unemployment rate here is skyrocketing here compared to the rest of the country. It's 9.6%, which is really high for a spot.
I think it's just rural. I mean, I think that's why they're so jacked about the Sunoco.
Yeah, Sunoco can only hire so many people. I mean, there's one guy standing there behind the counter that's all they got here uh median household income here is 75 285 a year which is good money slightly above the national average but i wouldn't say it's all rich people here that's right that's not what i would say okay cost of living here 100 being regular average here it's 80.6 so pretty pretty.
So pretty low compared to the rest of the country. Higher average money, too.
That's great. Yeah, and the housing cost is low.
Median home cost here, $181,000. That'll make you feel like you're rich.
That's what I mean. You'd feel rich if you're, yeah, it's pretty good.
So maybe everybody that's listening right now really wants to move here. Just in case you do, we have for you the Kingston Township, Pennsylvania, Real Estate Report.
Average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,030 a month, which is way lower. A couple hundred under the national average.

Here's a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,125-square-foot house.

A little starter house.

This is a small house, 1,100 square feet.

It's on 0.36 acres, so not a huge lot.

A third of an acre?

Not crammed in, though. It doesn't feel big.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

You're not crammed in.

You've got a yard.

It doesn't look good.

The roof has growth on it, which is never good sign it's like moss or like trees yeah no nothing with us with like a like a trunk but definitely some foliage up there that probably shouldn't be i don't i don't think that's a good sign here something has taken root up there and that's weird yeah there are rooms that have no floor, it's just all torn up. The floor is a really weird, like a flagstone that looks like it should be like an outside path.
It's a strange house. Really weird house.
119,000 bucks, though. It's a bit high.
It seems like it, I guess. But, yeah, you can probably do some stuff to it, I guess.
Here's a four-bedroom, two-bath, 2,420 square feet. So that's not bad.
You got a couple of kids spread out. It's a good size house.
0.47 acres. So almost a half acre.
Good size plot. This house is just 70s.
The outside of it is like wood. The inside of it is an insane 70s wood.
The kitchen has definitely not been touched since 1983. It's got like that old fridge in it where you're like, oh man, that fridge is old as shit.
It's got knobs on the microwave. Yeah, it does.
It's weird. Backyard's nice.
It's okay. But it is $335,000 and it just had a price cut of $15,000.
It's going to go down further before it sells up. I was going to say, I think you could wait on this thing or at least lowball these people.
Here's a five-bedroom, six-bath, T-ball for each and every B-hole. Surplus to those T-balls.
11,775 square feet. I can't even picture what that is.
I don't even know what that is. It's like four big houses is what that is.
That a four good size houses um on 11.92 acres i'm in the law it's just humongous i don't even know you would get lost in this house it looks like a hotel there's a library in it and what i mean is i don't mean a room with some shelves i mean a hallway that you're walking down that's huge with like aisles on each on each side of a fucking library. The Dewey Decimal System is in play here.
It looks like a Borders in this place. It's the weirdest Borders from the 90s.
It's really cool. $1,999,000 for that, though, which seems a little high, I would say.
I do like it, and I still am in love with it. I just wish I hadn't wanted to buy shit like that.
Can we bring it down a notch on the price, possibly? It's a bit much. Seems a little high, I would say.
I do like it, and I still am in love with it. I just wish I had enough money to buy shit like that.

Can we bring it down a notch

on the price, possibly? It's a bit much.

Things to do here. Well,

there's the Edwardsville Pierogi Festival.

I've been wondering when that was.

I've been looking for what's on my calendar, but I couldn't find

what date to put it on. This is the

11th annual,

and if you don't know what a pierogi is,

it is a Polish ravioli would be the best way to describe it. It's fine.
It's good. Pierogis are good.
They're fine. I mean, it's a Polish ravioli.
How bad could it be? What are you going to do? They put sausage and shit in. It's good.
Noodles and meat. Let's go.
That's what I mean. It's going to be decent.
So they say it's the biggest and best food festival to start your summer. Over 80 vendors expected, which seems like too many pierogis for...
What are you selling? I don't know. They say they have live entertainment all weekend, but they're not listing what it is.
So that could be anything. Pony rides.
That's nice for the kids at Petting Zoo. A pierogi parade got me.
I don't know. Do we dress up like pierogies? Do we carry pots full of pierogies as we walk down the street and pelt people with the double yellow? Do we toss pierogies out to the children as we ride by on a float? What are we doing here? And a pierogi cook office as well.
Who can cook the pierogies the fastest? Whose water boils the hardest? Is it best tasting or fastest? Who knows? Biggest? I don't know. that's all the information we have on the pierogi festival, which really sucks because I want so much more information about that.

I really want to know.

And then there is, this is wild here.

It's called American Soldier, a tribute to Toby Keith, bringing the spirit and music of Toby Keith to life, capturing his essence and entertaining. Capturing his essence.
You can just pour a Bud Light on someone's head. You've captured his essence.
On a Mexican's head. There you go.
Yeah. There you go.
That's the essence. With captivating performance that brings his music and energy to life.
Apparently, the guy playing it is a guy named Dwayne Terry. Yeah.
Big Toby Keith

fan. Well he played with Toby for a

number of years. I think he was in his band.

He gives a shit. Yeah.

I don't care. This is the best part.

This is the most authentic and nationally

recognized tribute to Toby Keith

in the US. Oh my

God. Of all the thousands of tributes

to Toby Keith that we put on on a yearly

basis, this is the best one apparently. I don't know.
I couldn't be turned off harder, man. This is horrible.
Because, I mean, usually on, what is it, August 14th, Toby Keith Day that we all know of or whatever the fuck. I don't know.
There's a lot of them. Most authentic.
I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean. I don't know.
They care the most. They have other bands, too.
From 245 to 330, they have the Sweet Biscuit Band that plays 90s and classic rock. Then you have Alexis Bradford, who is the 2022 Sare Talent Show winner from Mainsburg, Pennsylvania.
That's her credit. I think that's our prize for winning that, is you get to perform from 345 to 430 at the Toby Keith Tribute Show.
You get to open for a guy that knew Toby Keith. How about that? 445 to 530, Jacob Gilpin, a 2024 winner of Maple Festival's vocal talent, and he's the country's music guy in vermont i assume that is and then let me tell you about a guy that once knew toby and then chris eckert who oh yeah yeah do you know who this is that's that's a real country singer it says country it says torch singer to arson investigator to one man band oh no you don't know who that is he's got like a harmonica around his neck and he's got symbols on his knees you know what i mean he's got like a fucking accordion strapped to his chest just in case he needs that this is my favorite at the bottom of their web page says, Final comments.
All sales are final. No refunds.
You watch this shit and you want a refund. Tough shit.
And the pre-sale tickets are $35 for the track seats. $30 for the bleachers.
That's the cheapest. $30 to see this.
This is trash. Wow.
That said, crime rate, what we are interested in this story here, property crime is less than half the national average in this town.

So pretty safe.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is about one third under the national average.

This is great.

It seems like a real nice place where nothing crazy happens. And we are going to talk about...
Except for Toby Keith's friend. Except for Toby Keith's friend and a shitload of murder that we have to talk about here.
Wow, we got a lot. Okay, let's do this.
Let's jump in and talk about a guy named Michael Jason Kerkowski Jr. K-E-R-K-O-W-S-K-I.
So Michael Jason Krakowski. Everybody's, a lot of people's names in this have ski on the end of it.
And there's a pierogi festival. I feel like this is a highly Polish area.
It has to be. So now Michael has a wife named Kim and he's a licensed pharmacist.
Yeah. Okay.
Good money. And he's doing great.
He owned his own pharmacy, had a nice home, a wife, and two children all before he was 35. So I mean.
Dude, life's set. You're set.
Just enjoy. Cruise control, count those fucking pills, and enjoy.
What else do you- And the money, bud. You're doing great.
Yeah, you're doing terrific. This is great.
What year is this? This is 2000, late 90s is when he opens the pharmacy. We'll go through the years here and we'll go through his life a little bit.
But that's how he ends up. He's known as a devoted father, a dedicated son, and a businessman held in high esteem by the community.
Couldn't be better. So obviously he's going to be on our show.

Yeah.

Yeah, clearly.

So his wife and others said he was very upstanding and everything like that.

A woman who worked with him at a pharmacy earlier in the 80s said he was wonderful.

He was kind.

He was the kind of kid anyone would want to take home with them,

meaning when he was like a teenager.

Yeah.

Nice kid, which sounds really creepy.

It does.

That sounds like something, like a compliment that Puff Daddy would give

an up-and-coming singer.

A lot of talent.

Type of guy you'd want to take home with you for a while.

Have him live in your house when he's 12 for some reason. Make him do bad things for you.
Yeah, Jesus Christ. So when he was about 16, he began working at a pharmacy as a pharmacy technician.
The woman who worked with him said his family was not well-to-do. They were middle class.
He had to work for the things he wanted, I'm sure, for part of his schooling as well.

So when he worked at this pharmacy, that's where he met his future wife, Kim, who worked at the pharmacy in high school. So they ended up hooking up there.
Michael graduated from Lake Lehman High School in 1983 and went to Temple University in Philly. Wow.
So that's a very good school, yeah. Um yeah um so now kim the girl he met that he liked when they were both teenagers she ended up they didn't stay together he went to college she did her thing she got married and had a son with somebody else and then got divorced so that became made her available again michael graduated from temple in 1988 and was a licensed pharmacist in Pennsylvania on August 16th, 1988.
He worked at the Trucksville Pharmacy. Trucksville is nearby, by the way, in Trucksville and later at the CVS Pharmacy in Dallas, Pennsylvania.
Is that right? There's a Dallas. There's a Dallas right around here, too.
why the Eagles hate the Cowboys? Very confusing, yeah. You think it's from there? You sons of bitches.
You fucking hick bastards coming from the back mountain. So in 1989, he met up with Kim again because she came to the CVS in Dallas just to have a prescription filled.
She didn't even know he worked there. And he was like, I know you.
You're the chick from the pharmacy. And she was like, hey, you're the dude from the pharmacy.
And there you go. So by 1992, they're engaged.
Wow. Yeah.
And in November of 92, they signed a contract to build a $150,000 home, which was a good amount of money back then, real good, at 647 Pritchard Road in Hunlock Creek. They got married on April 9th, 1994, and then they had a son named Tyler on September 25th, 1996.
They'll have another son named Connor on May 6th, 1999. So he is killing it.
Just having a having a great life i mean if this is what you want if you want to settle down have a nice business and a nice family sure yeah i mean it sounds like you know the old timey american dream you know quote unquote seems like this would be it right and it's like a nice uh fortuitous uh serendipitous meeting too where she's just's just there to get her cream. He didn't go stalking her or anything.
Yeah, she just needed to get rid of her chlamydia, and then he happened to be there. He cleared up her yeasty.
And then he was like, listen, now I know she's up to date. You know what I mean? She's got all her shots.
She's had a couple of things they lived a comfortable but average lifestyle they didn't they weren't lavish they didn't spend a lot of money or anything like that and maybe that's saving up for later or you know college funds or i don't know what they're doing um being careful yeah a friend of theirs said they never took vacations they didn't drive expensive cars they had a nice upper middle class, but they didn't live an extravagant lifestyle by any stretch. So that's just the way it is.
Now, in March 1999, Michael and Kim enter into a franchise agreement with the medicine shop. And that's PPE, like an old timey.
The medicine shoppy pharmacy. That's on state route uh 29 and eaton township uh which is in wyoming county pennsylvania there's a dallas there's a wyoming county the whole thing's too much kingston god damn it's all just too much man named after somewhere else it's it's just too much in pennsylvania none of us like it here i was so confused in the beginning of putting this all together i I'm like, wait, he was in Dallas? Fuck, and then I was like, no, this Dallas, because I put on my notes, move to Texas.
And then I'm like, no, he didn't. Apparently he's in Pennsylvania.
Scratch that. This is a very confusing episode to put together.
San Francisco, PA. It really started with that.
He's in Las Vegas, Pennsylvania? I don't understand it. So now Kim is part owner of this business, but she has no involvement with day-to-day operations.
She's not a pharmacist. Brilliant.
Yeah, it's just those two are on it because they're married. Apparently, though, they start to have some problems here, as we'll talk about in 2001, 2000, 2001.
Basically, right after, right when he signs this lease to have his own little pharmacy, that's when things start to go off the rails for him. Yeah.
Apparently, there's a quote from one of their friends that said, a year prior to their separation, he would not even allow her in the medicine shop. Wasn't even allowed in the store.
The few times she tried to enter, he chased her out. He did not want want her involved he wanted to run everything on his own get out but i need some no go i'm just here for toothpaste shut up go i'll bring it home get out i'll bring it later so um yeah i the the thing is this whole business and the reason he went from being this open honest normal guy to being sort of weird and closed off is because he's doing some shit that is not above board in this pharmacy he is selling all sorts of painkillers to people he's one of these guys he's one of the okay and this is i mean oxycontin didn't come out till the mid 90s and he is selling it selling it in 99 like it's fucking candy.
He's allowing people to doctor shop there. Oh, absolutely.
No, he's doctor shit. He's just giving out drugs.
He's just selling people drugs. It's fucking crazy.
So it's Lorset and Oxycontin are the big ones that he's doing, which are painkillers and opiates. I don't know if Lorset's an opiate, but I assume it it is oxycontin i know so um they didn't he's also got a mistress on the side so you don't want your wife coming in when you got strange trim that might be walking through there every once in a while i gotta drugs and getting pussy get out yeah i was gonna say i got a drug deal lined up i got i got my side fucking piece coming over i got a lot going on here i'll bring the toothpaste home.
All right. So apparently everybody says it's just greed that he's why he's doing this, which is very weird because they still don't live a lavish lifestyle.
It's not like he's, you know, he bought a fucking Bentley or, you know, like bought himself a Porsche and he's going to Atlantic City on the weekends. And it's none of that's going on.
He's still. But it might feel good to not have that opulent lifestyle but like it's i'm capable of having it that would be kind of cool i guess yeah it's just so weird to have an upper middle class lifestyle and then do a bunch of illegal shit to make more money to still live the same lifestyle it doesn't make any sense i don't i don't understand what the point of that is so he would fill out uh he filled false prescriptions that he knew were false yeah uh for tens of thousands of pills that that's what police ended up documenting so who knows what he actually did yeah uh they they also suspect he filled untold thousands of others that they just couldn't track so they estimate that his crime netted him more than $3 million in sales of these drugs.
Netted him. Not gross.
Net. That's after pills paid for.
So I guess he began selling these drugs to people as early as November 99, which is like two months after he got his own pharmacy, which means he's always wanted to do this, and he finally could now. He had the dream.
Like, it would take you a while to figure that out if you were going to just start doing it. Yeah, I mean, he probably, working for someone else, was like, I could fucking make so much money if I had my own shit going on and they didn't have so much paperwork tracking this.
Yeah, he worked for CVS, which I'm sure is, you know, pretty shrewd. It's a conglomerate.
Yeah. I'm sure they keep track of shit there.
Yeah. So court records show that he began this as early as November 99, like I said.
A woman named Shirley Richter entered the pharmacy to fill a prescription for Lorset, and her address was not listed in court records. They say later, her authorities, she told the authorities she obtained thousands of Lorset pills from Michael all the way up until September of 2000.
So he was just filling her shit. He filled the prescriptions under the guise that they were refills of an original legitimate prescription that she once obtained.
That's how he did it. So he used the same scheme with other people who would travel to his store from all around.
People would drive for hours to come here. Yeah, because he's doing it.
You're selling drugs. That's what people do.
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Um, the investigation started in September of 2000 when a person arrested for using a forged prescription said, well, I know a guy who's selling pills out of a pharmacy. Yeah.
And that was that. So once, once, uh, you know once somebody rats on him.
So an undercover state trooper made several buys from Michael in September and October of 2000. They continued to investigate the case for several months, interviewing people who purchased drugs from him.
So they had a giant. I mean, they tracked thousands of tens of thousands of pills.
On April 20th, 2001, they raided his pharmacy, seizing thousands of pills and records detailing transactions and all sorts of investigations start now. This is a big deal.
So, yeah, they estimate he made between the illegal drugs and the insurance fraud about three million bucks he cleared from all this. They say that the prosecutor says they believe his sole intent in buying the pharmacy was to sell drugs illegally.
There it is. It's just that's the only reason he was doing it.
They said that, you know, if he worked for CVS, too easy to catch. This prosecutor said, I think his ambition was to get there, do this for several years, make big money, then quit.
He figured in a small town like Tuck Hannock, he could get away with it it he was wrong i would think you'd be have a much better chance of getting away getting away with it in a big city well i got news for you guys he did it to the tune of three million dollars he did all right he did fine he should have stopped yeah i would honestly think in a big city it'd be easier to get away with this because there's probably 100 other people doing it. So it might fall.

You're probably the only illegal pill pharmacy in the whole county, I would assume, otherwise. So you're kind of drawing attention to yourself here.
So he's charged with three counts of distribution. Well, many more counts, but he'll later plea to three counts of distribution of a controlled substance by a practitioner.
and he'll later plead guilty to insurance fraud and reckless endangerment

in connection with a man who overdosed and died on prescriptions he'd supplied oh shit yeah that's not good it's a lot going on here um people who knew him describe him as affable laid back down to earth um one guy said i never knew mich Michael to go on any big trips or even talk about fancy stuff or even be envious of people who had it. I don't have any idea why he got involved in something like that.
I've been racking my brain, but it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
What do you do it for? The thrill? I don't get it. That's what I mean.
I don't understand what it is except that I've led such a just middle-of-the-road fucking lifestyle that has no deviation from the norm. And now I want to be a different person.
The wire's not even out, is it? I mean, it's just coming out when he got busted got busted i mean it's 2001 it came out so that's not why that's not why he did it i can't i don't understand it um it makes no sense now his sister maria is also a pharmacist and she said she was sick when she learned about all this she said he was very outgoing and personal it's so confusing i don't understand what happened apparently something was missing in his life i guess yeah he's very outgoing and personal. It's so confusing.
I don't understand what happened. Apparently, something was missing in his life, I guess.

Yeah.

He's also having an affair at the same time, too.

So he just wants to have another life where he's like a cool guy who has affairs and deals drugs.

I mean, yeah, he got his life together so early and was always busy being whatever it is that you're supposed to be.

You know what I mean? Imagine being so successful so early and was always busy being whatever it is that you're supposed to be. You know what I mean?

Imagine being so successful so early that you're bored with it. Imagine that.
You're just like, well, this is boring. You just got to be on the other side of the law.
Yeah. We did that when we were 16.
Got over it. But this guy never had it, maybe.
So I guess he befriended, he ends up making a friend here, Michael does, or Krakowski here, as we'll talk about, while he's awaiting trial. And this friend of his is going to give him advice on his criminal case.
This is not a lawyer, by the way. Great.
He met him in jail? Where he's a guy who just got out of federal prison for seven years we'll talk about him in a minute perfect yeah great that's who you I mean I guess he knows the legal system he's out that's how Lori Vallow said she's qualified to represent herself by the way she said well I've been through so much court stuff between family courts because she'd been divorced fucking three times and you know my other murder trial that i think i know court by now i think i can handle it the ultimate dunning kruger effect person right there like well i went to court a couple times so i know everything there is to know about court it's that it is anthony's pulling that shit talking about oh yeah criminal law since 2012 it's like for the wrong reason you've been in true crime since 2012 i don't know if you've been in criminal law since 2012. It's like, baby, you're in that big for the wrong reason.
You've been in true crime since 2012. I don't know if you've been in criminal law.
Those are very different places. So anyway, Michael was leading an interesting life, to say the least, before this all happened.
Now, his estranged wife, Kim, and his former girlfriend, who he was having an affair with, are first cousins. So he's having an affair with his wife's first cousin.
Okay? Also, his wife's first cousin who he had an affair with is godmother to their son. You can't say godmommy.
They really are taking this back mountain shit very seriously there's cousins involved and it's all a mess so family trees are crossing things are weird you can't bang your your wife's family man no not good the worst thing you could do probably so kim files for divorce on april 30th i don't know if it was the banging her cousin or the federal offenses that did it, but one of the two. Could just be banging anybody else.
There's a lot of reasons. Wow.
Brought her to the courthouse. She's granted custody of the children.
You know, he's a drug dealing philanderer. It's not really a good.
Who fucks the family? Who fucks the kid's godmother? Yeah. So Kim's lawyer said, quote, she told me this was not the man that she married and that she loved.
It was like a separate life that he was leading. Absolutely.
Well done. So he is given visitation rights every other weekend and on certain holidays.
He's out on bail after he gets arrested here. Their divorce is going on through 2001, 2002.
Takes a while here. Now, he's got a new girlfriend named Tammy Fassett, F-A-S-S-E-T-T.
That's his new girlfriend that he's hanging out with. Got himself a Tammy out there.
So, like we said, he is convicted of these crimes. He pleads guilty to all of these, to defrauding Medicare, to defrauding insurance, unauthorized sale of controlled substances.
And he is set for sentencing on May 14, 2002. But he's out on bail until his sentencing.
They're like, he's a pharmacist. Where's he going? You know, he's.
Yeah. So.
He used to be a pharmacist. Yeah.
He wasn't going to get to pharmacy anymore. I would think that we're keeping all pills away from him.
He's lost his pill count and stick. Isn't that what they do? They have a stick I always say.
Yeah. A little popsicle stick they're throwing around with.
A little tongue depressor. Yeah.
That's all they do. I think.
I don't know. They do know a lot, though.
From what I understand. They are fucking great, man.
From what I understand, like, if you want to know, like, if this drug is okay with this drug, don't ask your doctor. Ask a pharmacist.
They'll know way better. I've actually heard doctors say that before.
Right. So that's interesting.
At the window, they'll just be like, eat with this one. This one's fine.
And don't take them all together. Get out of here.
They know exactly what's going on with all these pills. So that's impressive.
I guess you don't have to necessarily know the exact structure of the human foot and bones. You just know the structure of this pill and it's all built into the word.
Whatever the word is, it's all pieces of the pill. That's what makes the word.
It's weird. So Kim, the estranged wife at this point, she said she never knew her husband was selling drugs illegally.
She never had any idea. she was excluded from the family finances and she wasn't really allowed to visit the pharmacy she said she thought he was just fucking around behind her back that's why she wasn't allowed to visit which she was right about yeah but he also has a drug dealing empire going on here she said i had no idea what he was doing no clue no clue no clue not one ever i think she has no clue anything i think she has a clue anything at all i'm not sure so uh she said that he's you her husband um seemed very oh i'm sorry no this is the other guy yeah she said that um that her husband has that friend that we talked about and his name is hugo selinski and she said that hugo selinski seemed very interested in her husband's legal case and would attend her hearing his hearings and give him advice and all this type of shit so we'll talk about hugo selinski here uh hugo selinski is s-e-l-e-n-s-I.
So this is a little Polish helping Polish out here. That's what we do here.
Now, he comes from a family of Ron and Ruth Selenski. I think Ron is actually Hugo's stepfather, but he adopted him.
So gave him his name and all that. Now, there's seven kids total here, by the way.
God damn. They got seven kids, Ruth and Ron, here.
Now, the one we're going to talk about, Michael Krakowski's friend, is Hugo Marcus Selinsky. He was born in 1974.
Always had problems. Just a problem child from fucking jump.
He had juvenile court when he was a kid, that kind of thing. Always in trouble in and out of jail since he was 12.
One of those kids, just a complete fuck up. So his half brother, who is Ron Selinsky Jr.
said that relatives always poked fun at him because Hugo didn't ever hunt. He refused to go hunting with them with squeamish around carcasses, and wouldn't get on a boat because he was afraid of water.
So they said he's generally, yeah, he's not an outdoorsy boy. They call him a scary cat and all that kind of shit.
And his brother said he was afraid to drown. So, like we all aren't.
You know what helps? Learning to swim is a good thing. There's a whole reason we swim swim i'm pretty confident if i'm in water i'm not going to drown because i'll swim but i'm still afraid of it i don't want to drown when i see the ocean i go i'm not going in there that's huge that'll suck me right in never be found too much yeah a pool great i'm not afraid of that lakes even shit i.
Shit. I'm scared.
Yeah, fuck yeah. You never know.

So they said Hugo was tough when he needed to be, though.

And we'll find out what that means later.

In 1993, Hugo's about 19 and he gets a DUI.

So this is an addition to his many, many, many legal problems.

But this is one of the first ones that he really has as an adult here.

If the liquid's in the bottle, he's not afraid to drown from that, huh? No, no, no, no. He'll take that right in and gargle it.
So then in June 1994, Hugo and another man slipped some ski masks on over their head and entered the bank branch on North River Street in, I believe it was in Kingston, or in Dallas I believe this was. They drove there in a stolen Chevy Citation.
The best getaway car ever. We'll just join the chase and they'll all be confused.
We'll put the little light on top. We've got the 70s hubcaps.
It'll work. So it might have been one of those little citations from the 80s, though, those little fuckers there.
And he'll later abandon that in Kingston. It's a silver citation here.
But they go into this bank and rob this fucking bank. And he it's pretty crazy.
It was the Mellon Bank in Plains Township. They said they were still searching.
They know right away after it happens. They know Hugo is one of the guys, but they were searching for the second suspect here.

It's pretty crazy. So he basically is wanted for a week.

They can't find him after he robs the bank here.

And then finally they find him and they arrested him.

And it was a five-day search.

His mother said, I've been a basket case since Friday. That's what Ruth said.
She was happy. They went to his house.
And his stepdad, or his adopted dad, and one of their seven children were watching Beauty and the Beast in their house there. And they said, all of a sudden, more than a dozen people rushed through the door.
Cops came in pounding. And Ron said, I nearly had a heart attack.
He said it was our FBI agents with search warrants and Dallas Township police searching through the house. They dug in the cookie jar, rummaged through the clothes, scoured the washing machine.
They were hoping to find stolen money, but they didn't. But what they did find inside the washing machine agitator, they discovered dye.
That's the same dye that bank tellers use in a band in dye packs. That's not good.
They tried to literally wash the money. Wow.
We'll wander it. It's fine.
That is fucking wild. So they also seize six rounds of ammunition, a rock, and a stack of telephone bills.
I don't know what the rock could possibly have evidentiary value for in a bank robbery.

They didn't throw it through a front window of the bank, and then I don't get it.

And telephone bills?

Telephone bills.

That might be between, you know, to get correspondence between the, but I don't get a rock.

Also, they found $4,000 in $50 and $100 bills, which probably came from the bank. So then they said they're still searching for their second suspect, described as a 6'4", 230-pound man.
And they said that man, the Selensky family, said they was renting their Wyoming home, Wyoming County home, since May, and now he took off. So they know who it is they're looking for.
Now, in court here, Selensky meets with FBI agents before his trial and decides to cooperate with authorities here. He goes with his dad.
His dad tells the media he's cooperating with them. He's trying to do what's right and help them arrest the other man.
So that's what he did. They said that his mom was there, and his mom said she doesn't want to believe her oldest child was involved in anything.
Because they're also charging him and talking about him being involved in a string of burglaries as well. What the fuck, man? She's like, that's crazy.
And of the bank robbery, she says, well, we know he did it, but Hugo you go's just he's not a big guy he's a skinny guy and he got coerced by the big guy that's what happened the guy forced him to forced a ski mask on his head and forced a shotgun into his hand peer pressure to rob a bank yeah you know how that goes how many times have i pressured you into robbing a bank with me it's happened so many times you. You just go along with it now.
We probably shouldn't say it into a podcast. You just go along with it now.
You don't even argue. Yeah, well, now that's evident.
Shit. Now, any bank robbed by a 6'4 guy and a 5'8 guy is going to be really bad for us.
So she said, Hugo isn't perfect, and he's had his problems, but it's not like him to rob a bank.

It's not like him, you know.

Yeah, I mean, it's not like anybody until they do it.

Yeah, and then she said this is killing the family.

Hugo's not a bad person.

It's just not fair.

He robbed a bank.

What we're doing to your family, sure.

Christ, he is going to be sentenced to,, sir, may fuck off seven years in prison.

Just about a little shy of that for his armed robbery.

It's about six years and 10 months.

And he's also ordered to serve two years of supervised release before his sentence.

Before a sentencing thing here, a brief hearing was held on Selensky's objection to a statement and pre-sentence report prepared by probation officers that he brandished a weapon during the robbery. He takes exception to that.
They found, though, the judge found and the court found that the statement was accurate after a bank teller said, yeah, this motherfucker, they came in and robbed me. It was him and Earl Nagels, his co-defendant, a 31-year-old.
And they entered the bank, and they made off with $9,777 in cash. Wow.
So he still had almost all his cut? Yeah, he had just about all his cut. After they fled the bank, that's when the dye pack burst and stained most of the cash with red dye.
So at that point, Selensky tried to remove the dye from four to $5,000 of the stolen cash by running it through his mother's washing machine. Yeah.
And he admits to that. So again, they found the dye in the agitator and all that kind of shit.
So that's why he cooperated because he was kind of fucked here. So yeah, he he's going to serve a bunch of time.
And they try to say during his sentencing, he says that he says, I'm very sorry. And then his attorney says, this is a young man with a very serious alcohol problem.
That's what happened. Oh, the booze.
Yeah, it's the booze that does it because I get drunk and I start looking for banks to rob. It happens all the time.
First of all, you shouldn't be drunk at any really any time a bank's open for business. You probably shouldn't be hammered.
Number one. I've treated a lot of my issues with booze and never once have I considered doing anything more illegal than going to get more booze while I was drunk.
Going to get fucking filibertos. Yeah.
Even though you shouldn't be driving. So she said that, the lawyer said she realized and that Hugo realized that he needs to get help for his problem when he surrendered to the FBI.
So, you know, he's here. Now the assistant U.S.
attorney said, quote, I don't buy it. He even says that a bank employee, because they keep saying that he didn't intend to scare anybody.
He was just trying to get the money. He just wanted the money and booed.
But the prosecutor said, that's funny. Why did he rack a shotgun round in front of a cashier's face, in front of a clerk's teller's face? Yeah, that's the scariest sound.
Judge ordered Selinsky to pay $100 special assessment, a fee charged of convicted defendants. So that's what he's going to get.
So altogether, 82 months in federal prison is what he gets here. Okay.
Now, in prison, he is stabbed during a prison fight at one point. Oh, really? Yeah.
And people in prison said he wouldn't take shit from anybody. He knew he was in an environment that he needed to be fighting.
He was quick to come to the aid of friends as well and people in prison like that. His dad even said when something happened, he would stand up for himself, but he wasn't violent.
So he's not violent. That's what we know.
Okay. Now, January 2001 is when Hugo is released from prison.
This is right around the time that year is when Krakowski gets busted for what he's doing. So he returned to his home and struggled with being out of jail because he was in there.
Not easy. From 20 to 26, 27, too.
That's a lot of your formative years there. Sure.
Yeah. So he comes home to live with his family, and I guess they said he didn't get along with his father at this point, with Ron.
His lone ally was his mother, and she got to the point where she couldn't intervene because she's dead. She died while he was in prison, so his lone ally is gone.
Now he's at home and he's butt's head with his dad, who's his stepfather, but adopted. Adopted, yeah.
And he probably throws in his face a lot. You just got out of prison, you fucking moron.
Absolutely. And Ron said that this was a woman who'd walk on hot coals for him, meaning for Hugo, but she died.

And he also said, quote, while she lived for her son, seeing her firstborn in prison issue jumpsuit

is what partially killed her, Ron says.

Yep.

She lost it and I could see the change.

She had cancer, though.

I don't think that can cause cancer.

Orange jumpsuits cause cancer. Yeah.
Wow. You know what? That's some science we need to look into.
So apparently he and Ron and Hugo didn't get along about anything. Anything.
And I guess Ron never forgave him for the bank robbery because it was embarrassing. And he's embarrassing for the family.
And I guess Ron was a bank manager manager it really yes so he was like you can't do that you can't so after about two months he ends up moving out of the house hugo does it's not working out at all he kind of sleeps on some couches for a while does all that shit. Doesn't really hang out with his family.

Shows up at his grandmother's 80th birthday party and shit like that.

But otherwise, he's away from the family.

Ron said, Hugo was offered every opportunity in this house that everyone else was.

He just got mixed up when he was 14 and wanted a wild way of life.

Yeah, he's got a girlfriend named Christina Strum, by the way, at this point as well. So he's going to end up living with her and they're going to try to have a little life together so now this is the time when he moves out and everything and he's couch surfing and all that that's when he hooks up with Krakowski and starts giving him legal advice Krakowski ended up paying Hugo somewhere between 60 and $80,000, which was supposed to be for some kind of legal assistance he's providing for Krakowski.
But he's not a lawyer. So you could just give that money to a lawyer who would actually do that.
But apparently he's given it to this guy for help with I don't even know what. Hugo spent the money that he obtained from Kerkowski, including putting a down payment on a house on Mount Olivet Road in Kingston Township.
So he's going to use this money literally to buy a house. Yeah, start a family, build a life.
He's got this girlfriend with Christina Strom. It's going to be purchased in the name of her, in Christina's name.
That's the house. So they closed on the purchase of the property, Hugo and Christina, on April 30, 2002.
But they did not have the funds to cover the closing costs, which is about $10,000. So that's what they're trying to figure out.
Now, on May 1st, 2002, because that is about, what is that, April 30th is the closing. On May 1st, Hugo's brother gives away a shotgun.
This is Ron Jr. He gives his 16-gauge shotgun.
That is so weird that that keeps, 16-gauge keeps coming up when it's not the most common shotgun by any stretch. Weird.
And it came up in multiple episodes in the last month. He gives this shotgun to a guy named Patrick Russin, which is a Russian without an A.
Russin. he thought now Ron said he thought this shotgun was going to be used to shoot skunks that were running wild on Hugo's property

just he thought now Ron said he thought this shotgun was going to be used to shoot skunks

that were running wild on Hugo's

property

it's a fucking skunk farm up there

all skunks

that's the worst thing you could have

is a skunk infestation

I would rather have a rat infestation

at least rats don't squirt me

with stinky liquid if I go outside to throw

my garbage out after dark

out of their asshole

that's fucked up man

Thank you. At least rats don't squirt me with stinky liquid if I go outside to throw my garbage out after dark.
You know what I mean? Out of their asshole. That's fucked up, man.
Get your asshole juice off of me. So Russin came to Ron Jr.'s house in Dallas asking to borrow the shotgun for skunks.
So, yeah, he said the skunks keep spraying these dogs. So we got to shoot these skunks.
Oh, good. All right.
Now, remember May 14th, 2002 is Krakowski's sentencing date. So he's been getting all this legal advice and everything like that.
And then May 14th, 2002, the date comes, and he does not show up for sentencing. Really? Oh, no.
Tammy's no longer. They're both gone.
Tammy and he are on the run on the fucking lamb it looks like here so yeah they take off they're not gonna go i'm not going down for this shit man he hasn't even been sentenced and told how long he's going but he knows he's going so he's he knows he's going to prison um yeah and apparently he was supposed to pick his kids up from school that is how we we knew he was missing before that even happened, before he didn't show up for sentencing, because his ex-wife said that she remembers this day because she had left a voicemail on his cell phone saying, quote, you better be in a car accident. You better be stuck on the side of the road somewhere, you son of a bitch bastard, screaming and yelling at him.
Okay. So apparently his parents, Geraldine and Michael Krakowski Sr.
here, knew that their son was involved in these criminal acts and apparently hid a significant amount of his ill-gotten gains at their home. The parents ended up, after he disappears, the parents take $40,000 in cash from the house and pay their son's bail bondsman because he didn't show up for sentencing, so now they owe him this money.
So rather than lose their house or whatever they put up, they took his $40,000 that he had left behind and they use it for that. Now, um, May 4th, 2002.
So that is, um, you know, this is, we're going back 10 days before there's a deposit here. Uh, there's a bank teller who says that, uh, Hugo deposit $9,900 deposited.
Okay. Which is just below where you start looking at the transactions into Heather Strom's checking account.
That's on a Saturday, May 4th here and explained that this was, she's going to, he's going to close on a house with this. 479 Mount Olivet Road is the address that they're closing on.
They said that Strom only had $400 and 46 cents in her checking account prior to the deposit. So there we go.
And then there was a check drawn from her account that Monday for $10,079.50, which I assume is the closing cost. Now, how the fuck did they get $10,000? Yeah, where did that come from? Well, apparently, remember Patrick Russin, the guy with the shotgun? There's another guy here named Paul Weakley, W-E-A-K-L-E-Y.
Paul Weakley. He is a guy that Hugo met in federal prison.
Now, apparently, those two started cooking up a plan. They were buddies in prison, and they started cooking up a plan that they are going to rob Krakowski.
He's got tons of cash all over his house. He's a drug dealer hiding cash.
So anyway, Hugo and Paul Weakley went to Krakowski's house on May 3, 2002, the day before the $10,000 deposit. They hang out for a while, drink a beer for a bit, you know, hang, just normal social shit.
Michael and Tammy are both there, and it's, you know, Hugo and Paul. Out of nowhere, Hugo pulls out a gun and orders Michael and Tammy to lay on the floor.
Okay. He binds them with flex ties and duct tape.
Oh, no. Duct tape over their eyes, mind you.
Oh. And then, apparently, they both beat Michael Krakowski with a rolling pin into telling them where the money was.
Where's the money? Where's the money? So they're beating him.

He apparently said there's two bags of cash of approximately $60,000 that he has here

in his house.

And he said his father has another $60,000 cash, too, of his.

So that's where cash is.

At that point, Paul Weakley says that Hugo pulled the zip tie around Kerkowski's neck until he died.

Oh, my God.

Strangled him with a fucking zip tie, which is absolutely brutal.

That is fucking brutal.

And lazy.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

That is the worst way to do anything.

Takes very little.

Take one real good pull, and that's pretty much it. And you just walk away that's that's a lazy strangulation there so he tied it so hard that he stopped breathing and he died um then he went over and killed tammy the same way god jesus she's just the girlfriend she isn't involved in any of this shit so anyway um he was able to pay his clothing closing costs after that.
Yeah. And now several days after this, but before they actually moved into the property, he asked the property owner, the seller of the house to leave the property for a day.
Just leave. I got to have the house to myself for a day.
I got to do some. I got to sage the place.
Whatever. Yeah, I'm having a priest in.
I don't know what the fuck he's doing. So that's what he was told.
the guy myself for a day i gotta do some i gotta sage the place whatever yeah i'm having a priest in i don't know what the fuck he's doing so um that's what he was told the guy left for a day and that was that um yeah hugo also contacted kirkowski's parents contacted michael's parents who and they believed that he had taken off and ran away and he said yeah i you know he called him and said he called him and said, fuck, I don't know where he is either. Do you guys know where he is? And they said, no, he said something about 60 grand there.
That's the thing here. Now over the next couple of months here, um, he basically convinces, you go convinces Kerkowski's father to give him the $60,000 that Kerkowski gave his father with the promise that this is for Kerkowski's new lawyers who are going to try to help him avoid going to prison for running away from his sentencing.
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Now back to the show. So he's telling him, look, I'm in contact with Michael.
I need this money so I can pay his lawyers so we can have him be able to come back and all this shit. So then he and the father did it.
He gave him $60,000. Then he went over and got another $40,000 from Krakowski's father with a little less clever ruse.
You know, that of the lawyer. He just pulled a gun on him and told him, give me $40,000 or I'll shoot you in the fucking head.
That's all. Now, that happened in May of 2002.
So a year goes by. Literally a year goes by.
They think Krakowski's on the run. Everybody does.
They think he's on the lam. He had so much cash from his drug dealing.
He's probably in South America by now. That's what everybody thinks.
I mean, why else? Why would he stick around if he's got $3 million in cash? Fucking take off. So then on June 4th, 2003, it's about a year later, Paul Weakley, the partner in the Krakowski murder here.
Hugo's pal. He gets arrested on a burglary charge and was a suspect in the robbery of a bartender in kingston township yeah because 100 grand split two ways even if even if he doesn't split it evenly that doesn't stretch no and i don't think these guys are like well i got this much for i'm going to move into a sensibly priced apartment and i'm going to have a budget this out this much i'm going to get myself a bachelor's degree i'm going to yeah i'm going to go to community college with this money and then i'm going to parlay that into a decent no i think these guys are probably fucking off buying drugs and booze and women and whatever else they can fucking get their hands on probably going to vegas and partying or something so yeah uh based on a burglary charge

and being a suspect in a robbery case which this is a guy who's already been in federal prison so it's got a record he's in a lot of trouble he decides to start cooperating with the cops I'll tell you guys some things and he goes I know of bodies buried at a house on Mount Olivet Road in Kingston Township.

He gives all these statements regarding the killings, exactly what we just told you, which we'll tell you in more detail later. He initially attempted to distance himself from this.
Like, I was there, but I don't know nothing. Eventually, he confessed to his involvement.
Yes, I hit the guy a couple of times, asked him where the money is and all that, and says he can lead law enforcement to the burial site as well. He can do that.
He said that Hugo had in his possession a shoebox filled with cash that Krakowski had given him, constituting an incredibly large sum of money, like maybe $100,000. We know that money is completely gone, so we know that for a fact.
There might be a shoebox. There might be a shoebox with like four singles in it.
So Weakley told the cops here that on the day of the murders, he was the one who dragged Krakowski and Tammy Fassett's bodies out of his car and into the residence that he shared with Hugo and his girlfriend, Heather Strom, at their new house that they just got. So that was the old house because then, yeah, that's the old house.
They stashed these two corpses in their house for a couple days. Golly.
And they stayed at a hotel. And then two nights later, after the murder there, they left.

The bodies were in his vehicle then.

And that's when he said he was going to bury them after that.

He says about Hugo, quote, when he gets those googly eyes, watch out.

Googly.

Great googly googly eyes.

Wander around in his head. Yeah.
It starts bouncing around. You better watch out googly great googly googly eyes wander around in his head this yeah it starts bouncing around you better watch out boy he also led police to he said there's two bodies there he goes there's another corpse there as well it's burned there's a third there's a third corpse and he says i also have knowledge of up to up to as many as 11 other murders.
I can tell you about. Yeah.
And they were like, we think he's lying about a lot of this, but not the Krakowski thing. So June 5th, the very next day, Hugo's sister, Marianne, says she was at her brother's house, the house that he moved into with Heather Strom.
They were preparing for a graduation party for her daughter, apparently. That is when the house is swarmed with police with search warrants here.
That's a nice graduation party. That poor kid, I feel.
Dude, all her friends were there. That sucks.
Imagine that. Yeah, my uncle is a bad man.
They start digging corpses up, for Christ's sake, while you're trying to the punch is good just you can have

some we got

we got a six foot sandwich

it says graduate graduate

on that pillow

that's the most like confusing

instruction ever

balloons there's not

usually balloons at like corpse

unveilings you know like a corpse

unearthing there's not usually balloons and

party favors and shit

Thank you. ever balloons there's not usually balloons at like corpse unveilings you know like a corpse unearthing there's not usually balloons and party favors and shit it's weird reveal of the corpse it's so strange so um they said that the woman said she was very shocked when she learned what was happening the his sister said this is hugo's sister quote he immediately looked at me and said oh my god they're looking for bodies that's not good no that's pretty bad if a bunch of cops were in my yard i go i don't know what the fuck they're doing here i would have literally no idea he knew exactly he knew exactly what was happening nailed it i'd be very confused i'd be like maybe they're setting up on the neighbor i don don't know what's happening.
I've done nothing. So, yes.
So he's arrested Hugo, obviously, on June 5th when they served the search warrant and found bodies in his fucking yard. They find the bodies of Krakowski and Fassett buried in a mixture of natural earth, store-purchased soil, and coal remnants.
What's the? Oh. Like, huh.
He used bags of topsoil, too. Oh, not tried.
Yeah, we'll talk... Well, the coal is from other fires.
These two are not burned. We'll talk about people who were.
Investigators also discover a burn pit on the property with the remains of at least three people. Three people? These are three people besides Tammy and Krakowski that we just found.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

They identify two of these people

as Adaya Keillor, 22 years old,

and Frank James, 29 years old.

Okay.

And they have nicknames, too.

We'll get into.

Frank James is...

We'll get into it.

So there's a guy

who lives on a trailer on Hugo's property, said he was talking to Hugo when the cops showed up. And he said they must have known what they were doing because they went right to the spot.
Oh, boy. Because Weekly had told them.
Now, that was when they bring Patrick Russin into the whole deal here. And Patrick Russin says that the shotgun that he got to shoot skunks from Hugo's brother was the same shotgun used to murder these two men that we found in the burn pit.
So the prosecutors later, they say that he killed, it was Frank James. His name is Rudy and Adaya Keillor's nickname is Red Man.
You can't kill Red Man. A lady named Red Man? That means she cheats you.
No, it's a guy. It's a guy.
Adaya is his name. It's a man.
Oh, what is it? Adaya. A-D-E-I-Y-E.
Okay. I think it's Adaya.
But yeah, Red Man. Both of them are black guys, by the way.
Okay. Adaya's gotaw guy, right? Gotta be a what? A Chaw guy.
Red Man. The Poucher.
Oh my God. What are you doing? Dude, I got so scared for a second there.
I was like, what kind of weird fucking racist rabbit hole are you going on here? A Chaw guy? What does that mean? I was like, I don't even know what that means i was like what is happening right now who am i talking to ladies and gentlemen my partner andrew jackson has been a long time he created a new slur it's a chaw guy maybe um a lot of that just know for no a lot of black people there's uh kind of red is kind of a yellow. Oh, yeah.
There's people that are more red. Yeah, so he might be Red Man for that, or he might have really liked Red Man.
Yeah, he could be a big fan. This is like 2001 or, you know, who knows.
Like him so much I stole his name. I said, I'm Red Man now.
This is my partner Method Man. Here we are.

So.

Big fun of Eminem.

Call me Eminem from now on.

Just all the time.

So besides implicating Hugo as the trigger man in the murders, Patrick Russin also says that Hugo called his younger brothers to ask if he could borrow the gun the same day as one of the murders.

So Hugo asked to borrow the gun. Russin just went to pick it up.
That's what he says. So Russin also says he couldn't remember if Hugo went to pick up the shotgun or if the guy came or if Ron Jr.
came and delivered it. But Ron Jr.
says Patrick came and got it. So it's neither of the things Patrick says it is.
So, yeah. Now, apparently, the murders of Frank James and Redman Keillor here, Selensky picked up Frank James and his girlfriend, Yurita Bradford, at a Wilkes-Barre hospital on Wilkes-Barre? Wilkes-Barre.
Yeah, right? Wilkes-Barre? I think it's Wilkes-Barre. It's B-A-R-R-E, right? It's Wilkes-Barre, I think.
It's a real, it's weird, but I think that's what it is. Picked them up on May 13th, 2003.
So that is, you know, what? Not even 10 days after the murder of, or just, that was exactly 10 days after the murder. May 13th? Oh, no, that was was I'm sorry.
That's the year and 10 days after. Yeah, he killed.
He killed Krakowski and Fassett. So apparently the woman here, Yurita, had just given birth to their child, to her and Frank James's child.
And Selinsky took them to a city Rite Aid in the afternoon so she could get a prescription.

He gave them a ride to her Sherman Hills apartment where somebody else popped in, and that's Adaya Keillor, red man.

He popped in.

Both of these guys, by the way, apparently allegedly sell drugs, Frank and Adaya.

So that is when apparently Selinsky took both of these guys, so dropped the baby and the

new mother off.

I love you. frank and adaya so that is when apparently uh selensky took both of these guys so drop the baby and the and the new mother off sure this guy is coming home from the hospital with a new baby and he's like yeah you guys go inside i'm gonna go with my friends for a while see you later imagine any any guy who's had a child yeah with a woman home with a woman you're with and everything like that.
Imagine number one, you get a ride from your friend to go home from the hospital and then you're like, alright, peace. Well, she carries in a car seat and a bag with fucking diapers in it and a baby on one hand and all this shit.
Go keep that thing alive alone. I'm going to go out for a while.
I'll see you later that is ballsy try that move i'm going out with my fry what you were in there you were in labor for like 12 hours that was a long time i had to sit there with you so now i gotta go out wow cooped up in that hospital for the last 48 hours i gotta go i gotta go i got some fucking some tail to get on the side here um So now he's driving away. Hugo's driving away with Rudy and Redman here.
Okay. Now that is when Selinsky took both these men to his home on Mount Olivet Road.
Russin was at the home, Patrick Russin, when he saw Selinsky arrive with two black males in the car. I guess they all came in.
They got some pizza. Yeah.
Having a little party. This guy's having pizza at his friend's house.
Wow. Mind exploded.
That hospital food for the last 48 hours was shit. I'm going to need a Papa John's.
My ex-wife would have stabbed me in the throat if I did this. Mix that with like

postpartum and everything else? Holy shit.

I would have taken more

than she took from me.

Fuck yeah, yeah.

She may have taken my life. That's what I mean.

You would be deserving of it.

So Patrick said at one point

he went to sleep inside the home

during this. That's how long it was meandering.

They're hanging out. Selensky later went inside and patrick russin this is according to russin that the guys are in the garage um and russin went to get them and as he did he saw selenski grab the shotgun and load it with three shells then they went into the garage uh patrick r Russin said he heard a bang, one loud bang.

He says, quote, so then he turns and sees Frank James, Rudy, falling to the ground, shocked. That's what he said.
He then chased Redman and handcuffed him. Hugo does.
That's what Russin is saying now um so apparently here um he uh patrick russin says that hugo dragged frank james's body into the garage and stole his drugs and money around the same time he said selensky went back outside and russin heard selensky talking to his former girlfriend on the phone who lived at his house from outside the garage. Or not on the phone, just talking to her outside on the property.
This is why they kept Redman tied up in the garage for a while and then inside the home. So the next morning after the girlfriend left for work at about 730, Selensky began interrogating Redman for information about another drug dealer he wanted to rob.
He just held him hostage all night till his girlfriend left him. His girlfriend came out and said, what was that noise? And he went, oh, I dropped a fucking thing and it's fine.
She goes, sounded like a gunshot. And he's like, no, no, gunshot.
That's crazy. And he's like, OK, no more gunshots till she leaves for work.
This guy's not allowed to die tonight. Wow.
She said so. So apparently Redman cooperated, even offered to help.
Oh. Even offered to help before they ended up taking him outside.
And Patrick said, then he heard another shot and Redman was shot and on the ground. Selensky told Patrick Russin to pick him up, but I guess he wasn't dead, Redman.
So he tried to get up. He was trying to get up.
And Hugo shot him again. And Patrick said he didn't move after that.
So what they did is they took the bodies into the burn pit and burned them and tossed the remaining bones in garbage bags, which were also found. Bags full of burnt bones, they found.
Bagged up remains. Fuck, man.
That is pretty goddamn crazy. And he says that Paul Weakley also helped with the burning and the disposing as well.
So that is pretty fucking wild. Yeah, because they came in, they identified the bodies of Krakowski and Fassett and then literally found more bodies.
And they were like, well, if these are the people we're looking for, who the fuck are these people? So this is a mess now. Now we have at least five bodies.
A lot, yeah. And they have bone fragments of what they believe are up to 12 people yeah all together here this is a mess like a fucking mess i mean it's a it's john wayne gacy's house just out he didn't have a yard this big or else he would have just did this it's so many people it's so many people think about how many people 12 people is he's just thinking like people i can just do things, kill people and throw them in the yard.
No one will notice. It's just a habit he's gotten into now.
It's weird as fuck. So now his ex-wife here, this is Krakowski's ex-wife, Michael, the victim here, Kim.
She said she doesn't know how his body ended up in her cousin's ex-boyfriend's backyard because also yeah hugo was involved in that as well right hugo went out with another cousin of hers oh my god the cousin said she doesn't know either okay so i think that's how they met by the way is through the family um because i think we'll find that out later in court. Really? Yeah.
She, by the way, has been telling her kids that her father was missing. Their father was missing for the last year.
We don't know where he is. But now she said that his remains are identified.
She told her kids, I just want to tell you we know where daddy is now. Yay! He's still not going to come to your birthday.
And then she said, he's in heaven. He died.
Oh, my God. You got to start that out with bad news, kids.
You can't say, hey, kids, we know where daddy is. Woo.
He's in heaven. Oh, Jesus.
She thought once back in the day, she thought that he should just be left in jail for what he had done to his family, you know, with all this legal bullshit that Krakowski caused. But now the words are going to come back to haunt this woman.
Yep. She said, it sickens me to know that he dies like died like that.
And the whole thing troubles her. And so, yeah, there is that.
According to her, Kim, and several other people, Selinsky, Hugo, was considered Kerkowski's best friend. Oh, Jesus.
Kerkowski considered him his best friend. So they're talking about, they're arresting everybody, obviously.
They arrest Weakley. He's been arrested.
They arrest Russin. They arrest Hugo.
Bring everybody in. And they're asking a lot of people, did he? Because what they're saying is that Hugo kept people from going on certain areas of his property on purpose.
He kept certain areas like off limits to people. But then they talked to his little sister, Brooke, who says she was 12 when this happened, because this is later on.
And she says that he had gave her unfettered access to the property, her and others. There were no forbidden areas, none of that.
She said she and others would ride ATVs on the trails that he made behind the property and that he was a stickler for safety. She said there were no restrictions.
Just make sure you wear a helmet when you ride the quads i don't want to have to burn and bury another body okay so wow imagine dommer just being a stickler about seatbelts would have been so funny if he was a real stickler for bicycle safety that was his thing he's like listen people with traffic let's go reflectors Yeah. And I murder children.
Did he do the speed limit to get people to his home to rape and murder them? I think he did. He wants them to get there safely.
If we get into an accident and get killed on the way there, how am I going to drill a hole in your head and make a fucking sex zombie out of you? How is that possible? No fuck zombies if we get in an accident. It's not going to happen.
Jesus Christ, man. So here's one witness, Louise Bensican.
She is Krakowski's neighbor. Now, Michael Krakowski's neighbor.
She said she observed a man with a tattoo driving away from Krakowski's house as a passenger in a brown car at approximately 5 p.m. on May 3, 2002, which is the date of the murders.
She then identified Hugo as the individual she saw on the date of those murders from a photograph of him and the brown vehicle from a photograph of the one that belonged to Carrie Bartu, Kim's cousin, who Hugo was fucking. And I guess Michael used to have a relationship with, I don't know what's going on.
It's wild. Where's the tattoo right on his fucking face.
Who would I go? Maybe it was on his arm. When is this may, maybe he had no sleeves on.
I have no, yeah, who knows? Um, an acquaintance of him, uh, here. She said she may have given him a ride from Krakowski's house on that date.
She said, I think I may have picked him up. He asked me for a ride.
I gave him a ride, but, you know, that was that. Now, the evidence against Hugo here includes Paul Weakley's testimony and statements to the cops regarding Hugo's role in planning the crimes, you know, committing the robbery, the murders and doing everything like that.
The burial of the bodies. Eyewitness testimony of the neighbor showing that he left Michael Krakowski's house on the day of the murders.
The testimony of Hugo's girlfriend, Christina, regarding their immediate need to raise approximately $10,000 to cover the closing costs. and testimony of the bank employee saying that he deposited approximately $10,000 in cash in this account the day after the alleged murders happened and would have no other way to get it.
Also, that Hugo and Weekly's statements to Patrick Russin regarding Michael Krakowski's murder prior to the discovery of the bodies. Then there's obviously the June 2003 discovery of the bodies.
That's pretty big evidence. There is the homeowner that they bought it from, the seller of their house, who also says that Hugo asked him to get out of the house for a day, and that was like two days after the murders, which lines right up with what Weakley said, which they kept him for a couple days.
There's also a guy named Samuel Gusey, who is – this is very complicated, this Samuel Gusey. He's a drug dealer who says he was robbed by Hugo and Paul Weakley.
But even in court, there's all sorts of discrepancies because Hugo doesn't smoke and never smokes but Guse said that he smoked a cigarette with both guys they all had a cigarette but Hugo never smokes so there's this whole thing there it doesn't matter either way he said that he heard about Hugo's participation in the robbery here.

I'm sorry, he knew about it because it happened to him, and he said it had similar characteristics to the Krakowski robbery.

So it's the same thing. They tie him up.
They ask him where the money is. They just didn't kill him.
So additional evidence of guilt here includes the testimony of Rodney Sampson that Hugo offered him $20,000 in April 2002 to assist in, quote, taking care of Krakowski, which Sampson knew was murder. And he was like, I don't think so.
Also, the cousin, Kim's cousin, Carrie Bartu's testimony that Hugo gave her $1,000 several hours after the murders occurred and told her to give $300 of that amount to Kim Kerkowski and say it was from Michael, the guy they just killed. Yeah, this is creepy as fuck, dude.
That's cold. Go give this to his ex-wife, mother of his children, and be like, it's from him.
He said to give this to you. Wow all i have to say that's fucking dark man then five days after the murders hugo contacts kim krakowski's boyfriend um wow uh or i'm talks to kim krakowski's boyfriend and offers to pay for diapers and food for michael and kim's children Which they're like, why would you do that?

That's weird.

Then also they, so everything basically is all this shit.

Now, also Ernie Culp is the guy I believe

who lives on the property and the trailer.

And he said he saw Weekly and Hugo in early May 2002

holding digging implements near a freshly dug patch of land

on the property, which is right when the bodies were buried.

Oh, my knowledge. That's what they're doing.
They're burning bodies and burying them on my property. I didn't do any of this.
This is crazy. So dumb.
This is so crazy. He said, look, your timeline doesn't make any sense.
That's what it is. He goes, see, if you look at the timeline, you can see how innocent I am.
Yeah. He says there's three inconsistencies here, his lawyer says.
First, that Hugo insists that the timeline here is all fucked up. He doesn't make any sense.
He cites Weekly's statement, Paul Weekly, that he arrived, that Weekly arrived with Hugo at approximately 2 p.m. and that the two men drank beer and talked with Krakowski and Facet for over an hour.
Yet, Paul Weekly also stated that Krakowski needed to leave by 3 p.m. to pick up his children at daycare by 4 p.m.
And there was no issue that Krakowski was ever late in having to get ready or leave. So he's saying that it must not the times must have been earlier then.
So he also Hugo also says that the neighbor's testimony that says she saw Krakowski mowing his lawn between 2 and 4 p.m. that day, which means that Hugo and Weakley would have had to have arrived well after 2 p.m., but before he had to pick his kids up.

And Kerkowski's testimony, Kerkowski's mother's testimony, that she had a 15-minute telephone conversation with Tammy Fassett while Hugo and Weakley were in the house. She said, oh, yeah, we have people over.
That took place between 2.30 and 4 p.m. So now she doesn't know exactly when.
Now he also says that there's no possible way the timeline immediately after the murders could be accurate. He says Paul Weakley said that Paul left Hugo behind to finish cleaning up and drove away from Krakowski's house with the two bodies arriving at the home that they all shared together here.
Now, Hugo contends that the timeline doesn't make sense with the neighbor's testimony who saw Hugo drive away at 5 p.m., which why not? They could go in separate cars. That's not an issue.
He left with the cousin. The other guy left with the bodies.
So that's how it works. And they're trying to needle the timeline is that that makes it that he didn't do it.
He didn't put on his own property. So that makes less bones in his fucking yard appear.
That's crazy as fuck. He also says the timeline later on in the evening of the murders was similarly impossible.
He references Hugo references Krakowski's parents testimony that they returned home from dinner on May 3rd, 2002 at approximately 10 to 11 p.m. to discover their son had not picked up his children from daycare, and then they drove over to Michael's house.
However, the neighbor stated she began taking notes after speaking with Kerkowski's father, and that the journal that she kept tracking the events related to Kerkowski's disappearance showed her first entry at 936, which is before the time that the parents even arrived home from dinner. So, yes, a year ago, people don't remember if it was fucking 930 or 1030.
That's what this is. That's all it is.
Bodies in the yard, my friend. He's doing timeline based on word, not proof.
so it doesn't matter anyway. Yeah, based on people's recollection a year later, which is crazy.
I mean, if you get the month right a year later, you're pretty good. The time, forget about it.
So, anyway, everybody's arrested. They find at least five bodies and as many as 12 sets of human remains on the property.
Jesus. So, yeah, they found the bones of Keeler and James in garbage bags, and they also found a piece of skin tissue they believed to be Keeler's on a garage door panel.
Oh, from shrapnel blast. Oh, wow.
That is human shrapnel is what that is. That is gross.

He's also accused of burning the victims, obviously.

Here, they said that Patrick Russen used a rake and shovel to clean out the burn pit after the bodies were destroyed.

You know, put it all in bags.

23 fragments of human bone, a shovel, and a panel of Selinsky's garage door are all taken as evidence. That's the panel that

has the human tissue on it.

There's also, they find

two buttons. One from

a pair of Tommy Hilfiger jeans

and the other from a pair of Snoop Dogg

clothing jeans. He's the

guy that bought it. This is very

2002 K-Momo here.

Like, this is, wow.

What was Snoop Dogg's

brand? Snoop Dogg

I'm going to go. that bought it this is very 2002 k-momo here like this is wow um what was snoop dog's brand snoop dog clothing was it sdc that's what it was snoop dog clothing yeah i guess i did see the sdc logo i've never i didn't not a great name nope that shows how unsuccessful that was that was that was weird well.
Well, there's a time in between famous and nostalgia famous when no one gives a fuck about you. And that was the time when Snoop Dogg couldn't get.
Nobody won't give a shit about Snoop Dogg in 2002. That's why he was making clothes because no one cared.
It was after he was on like fucking No Limit for a. You would all remember that fucked them all up.
And like,

he was,

he was damaged goods at that point.

Yeah.

Then by like 2012,

he's in this,

Hey,

I remember him and it's different than every,

yeah.

So selling things that tease that it's weed related.

Now he's just selling weed.

That's what,

that's what everybody does.

That's,

that's the life cycle of a celebrity.

Yeah.

Famous,

famous, famous. Fuck you.
Go fuck your mother. Ten years later, I love that guy.
Okay. Remember that song? That was so much fun.
Remember that? I remember. That was great.
Yeah, Gin and Juice was fun. I was talking about don't hate people.
Meanwhile, he hated everybody wearing red for the longest time. Except for Shrug Knight.
Right. One guy.
Somehow. Money in his pocket.
So, yeah, this is two buttons, Tommy Hilfiger, Snoop Dogg clothing jeans that were found in garbage bags outside the home. A charred Nike shoe sole with the trademark swoosh still intact was also presented as evidence here.
The letters SDC, which stands for Snoop Dogg clothing, were clearly visible on one button. Wow.
And witnesses all said that both victims were last seen in that clothing, by the way. Oh, boy.
You can tell a pair of Snoop Dogg jeans when you see it. That's all I'm saying.
So there's also a chandelier that comes into question here. Ron Selensky Jr., this is his brother, not his father, said that his brother Hugo asked him to remove the chandelier from the Mount Olivet Homes garage.
The conversation took place at the correction facility here at the county jail where Hugo's being held and the chandelier is relevant to the prosecution's case because Hugo Selensky and Patrick Russon allegedly stole the chandelier and other items from a former Plymouth clothing store. Before Keillor was killed, Hugo and Russon allegedly interrogated him.
Keillor had told them about the store and how they might find money and drugs there. And that's where they stole the chandelier from.
As for the chandelier, Ron said that he sold it for $15 to an antique store. Okay.
And the owner said that, yes, he did that. They said that was not the only thing Ron and Hugo talked about that day at the correctional facility.
They also were talking about the bodies. And they said, did you ask him what was going on? And Ron said, yeah, of course.
He said, I'm being set up. I didn't do it.
People are placing bodies in my yard. It's crazy.
I mean, really like once a year, you should go around with a cadaver dog just to make sure nobody like while you were on vacation work one day, just happened to slip a couple of bodies in there.

Because you really never know.

I mean, honestly, get in there.

Sometimes those dogs fail.

Get yourself a metal detector and see if you can find some Snoop Dogg clothing buttons on your property. If you can find that, there's a body not far behind, obviously.

Now, he goes to court for his preliminaries.

He's described as looking cocky and unconcerned in court. He always looks cocky and unconcerned.
He's a real cocky asshole, Hugo. Really? He stared down the witnesses, which, again, that's a new one.
That's wild behavior for a man with 12 bodies on his property. Right? Eye-fucking-witnesses, that's a lot.
Yeah. Smiled at the prosecutors, all that kind of shit.
Thought he was cute. Don't do that.
Yeah. He's essentially Karen Reading.
That's exactly what she's doing right now. It's less threatening because she's a lady, not a dude with 12 fucking bodies.
Yeah, 12 bodies in his yard. If she had 12 bodies in her yard, I don't think she'd be that smug, though.
Right. According to her, the entire Boston Police Department is against her.
Maybe don't be so fucking smug. That's what I saying well we'll talk about that at the patreon don't you worry about that we got a lot so and there's there there's a lot of dirty shit going on there too there's a lot man that's one of those where you go oh we'll hopefully have a an opinion on it by the end of the episode yeah so this guy here uh he said he told reporters he knew nothing about corpses and garbage bags full of burnt bones found in his home.
I don't know nothing about it. No, no shit.
So after this, this is in July, police complete a 35-day search of the property. And then Heather, Christina Strom comes back, lives there.
Yeah, she's living there.

Yeah.

They said accompanied by a large black dog,

she was seen walking in the yard at about 1.30 p.m.

And she said a reporter came up to her and she said,

I really don't want to be interviewed.

Sorry.

I'm sure you don't.

Yeah.

Is this where the corpses were?

So 2003, while Hugh goes in jail awaiting multiple trials for lots of shit here he has a conversation with his father okay or whatever adopted father and ron said there's crazy people in this world that's why you're sitting here there's a crazy person in loose uh in luzerne county jail hugo that's what he told reporters afterwards. My son's crazy.
He said that when the reporters first knocked on his door, he said that he told them right away, the only connection I have to him is our name. That's it.
He's adopted. I don't hang out with him.
Literally, he was just like, don't know him. I didn't do that goddamn paperwork.
He said, I had a normal, stable family seven children. And he said this.
He's the oldest, by the way, Hugo. And he said that it was disassociation.
They're not together. He said he was a mischievous kid who thought it would blossom into such a notorious criminal record.
He says it's, you know, seeing his son splashed across TV screens and front pages has been less painful this time around, he said, though.

The first time with the bank robbery was worse.

That crushed me.

Now I disowned him.

Now I just say fuck him.

He said it's been a hell of a lot easier than 10 years ago.

People are compassionate.

People I would never expect.

People were much more brutal 10 years ago.

Yep.

He said now he said then he talks to the fucking reporters about the other six children and everything like that and he said the age span of the kids ranged nearly two decades and he says i have six other children six out of seven is not a bad record six good ones you know yeah so october, it's a Friday, a little after sundown.

So anybody Orthodox can't turn the lights off.

And that's a very Northeastern joke.

And you didn't even get it, did you?

No.

I don't know what that means.

Orthodox Jews can't do anything after Friday at sundown.

They can't turn their lights on?

They can't do anything until the next day. What? It's the Sabbath.
They're not allowed to do stuff. There's a whole industry of people that make devices to get around it.
It's hilarious. Really? Every weekend they do that? I'm not saying your religion is hilarious.
I'm just saying it's hilarious that you're like, you know, maybe I can get around it, though. That's funny.
Anytime you try to get around what you think is the word of God, always find that hilarious it's like i think he knows he'll probably know that you're that you're cheating this but i mean meant that yeah they look for loopholes like it's the law or some shit so october of 2003 uh selensky opens up a window at the luzerne county correctionalility and uses a rope made of bedsheets to climb down seven stories. Seven stories? Seven stories he climbed down.
And nobody saw this 70-foot long tail hanging out the window? Nobody saw this old-timey burglar fucking rope hanging out of a window. What are we talking about? This is the silliest.
This is a cartoon how you escape from jail. 70 feet of bed sheet.
That is impressive. And then tossed a mattress over the barbed wire fence to escape.
Brilliant. Climbed right over it.
His partner in the jail break is a guy named Scott Bolton. He didn't do so well.
No. He fell and suffered internal injuries and broken bones when he slipped off the rope there and plummeted during the descent.

70 fucking feet to the ground.

I think he fell about 50 feet. It's not good.
Wow. He was in critical condition.
They had to airlift him out and everything. You're going to die, man.
Now, Bolton has a fun record. He walked away from a prison work release program in 2001 and spent almost three years as a fugitive.

Wow.

Where during which time he stole 70 ATVs. What? Valued at over $600,000.
70 ATVs. Each one.
Every day he took one. Kept stealing them.
I guess he was probably selling them to people. I mean, there's a big market for those because people don't take them on the road.
Yeah. And you can chop them up, dude.
Yeah. Make a homemade one.
If you're using it in the woods in your backyard, so no one's ever going to check that. So, yeah.
While on the run, he eluded capture several times, including a close call in which he ran barefoot through the woods and then jumped into the Susquehanna River to escape. Impressive.
And he was finally captured in September, and then in October they're trying to escape. That's how bad prison is.
No shit. Swim a river to not go.
And then fucking fall out a window also. Yeah.
So, yeah, police immediately upon the escape. Now, he's fucking Solinsky's gone.

Hugo took off.

Gone.

They catch Bolton, but Hugo's off. Police notify Solinsky's family, members of the Krakowski family, and others associated with him of the escape.
Hey, heads up, by the way. They thought they were seeking out family and friends and questioning them in hopes of finding where the fuck he is.
now Hugo's half brother Ronald here

the press talked to him

and he was like Jesus Christ friends and questioning them in hopes of finding where the fuck he is. Now Hugo's half-brother Ronald

here, the press

talked to him and he was like, Jesus Christ,

man, what do I say here? He said,

quote, if he's innocent, he's going to be proven

innocent. This just makes it worse.
He should

just turn himself in.

He says he worries that the cops are

going to shoot Hugo. That's how this is going to end

because he's a fugitive. He said,

they don't know him. They hear all these things.

They see him. Even if he's not armed,

someone might take a shot at him.

Which is fair. So they're

searching for Hugo. And this

is a fun article here.

The headline is, In Darkness, a Grim

Search is Launched

from a newspaper.

And it says, Wilkes-Barre Fire

Captain Chris Hughes didn't need to think about it. You want the knife on? Asked firefighter Robert Steininger, helping Hughes suit up to look for escapee Hugo Selinsky.
Yes, he answered immediately. In a second, Steininger had the sheathed knife secured to Hughes' upper right arm.
It was about 1.30 a.m. Saturday, more than three hours since Selensky rappelled down the side

of the county correctional facility.

Hughes was already in his wetsuit and at the Nisbet Park boat launch

on the Susquehanna River with the city's hovercraft.

The knife is standard equipment, he said,

in case a rope needs to be cut, for example.

But a police officer carrying his pistol said that, yeah, we're keeping this too, though. Don't worry.
I got this just in case. They said this isn't a river rescue.
This is a search. So I guess they said that they've been at the boat launch since about midnight, waiting to know when we're going out.
They said when the deployment order came down, Hughes was told he would take a police officer with him. Hughes had one request, bring a small guy because weight makes the hovercraft hard to maneuver.
We're looking in water? What are we looking for? Going up and down the riverbank looking for him in the water. So they got somebody there.
They bring a cop in and the fireman told him, you're going to get wet. That's a guarantee.
So the guy took off his uniform jacket, boots, gun belt, and put on a wetsuit here to protect him from all this shit. They were suited up and they were doing their thing here.
He left his uniform behind but kept his gun. So they're going on and looking for him here.
Now relatives here, they're talking about his relatives are worried. Selensky Sr.
here, Ronald, as he tended to yard work in his home here, they also talked to Christina Strom, his girlfriend, who was, they went up to her, she was walking her dog again. That's all she does is walk her dog.
He's just looking for more bodies. Yeah.
And so other people said his ex-girlfriend's mother, they advised her even of the escape. She said, we're fine.
He would never come here. That's it.
Now, Frank James's brother, Randy James, said,ames said quote this is crazy i thought they were supposed to handle things a little better up there how can they let someone like him get away right he said how is he not in a more secure facility how could you put someone like him in a county prison that's like a daycare for this guy i don't know we put him 70 feet in the air so i mean we didn't expect that that's a fuck up on their part though he was near a window with 70 feet of bed sheet he had to gather that it was quite the plot here really? yeah it wasn't all his bed sheet he got people to help him so this show Small Town, is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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Credit limit ranges $20 to $500. $2 yeah, they said that how could you put someone in county prison? And James said he hopes to keep the information from his mother, who's been upset with the slow pace of the investigation already he said she sees her son's not getting justice now this maniac's on the loose so residents are also pissed or rather live around the jail they're like what the fuck this is ridiculous one said quote we live by the prison so you think it's safe here huh.
What? What's that now? Look around a prison. Anytime you're near a prison, there is a sign that says, do not pick up hitchhikers, because they might get out of here.
Look at the aerial view on Zillow of housing prices right around a prison. Not quite as high as if you get away from the prison some.
They tend to drive pricing down i figured the the place they keep all the criminals would be the safest place to live next door to right which it would because they're going to take off and run past your house to get away from here they want to get away for this but yeah they're the they're people of opportunity and if there's a house or a car right there they're going to try and hurt people and take yeah oh we've heard of that before in cases we've had where they break into a house right by there he said this person said obviously it's not that safe they took the entire window out you think someone would have heard and how do you hide a bunch of bed sheets right uh one guy says it goes to show the prison isn't well secured another neighbor learned of the prison break when she came home from dinner Friday

and saw a yellow police tape near the prison.

She said, yeah, why would you not,

how would you not be aware of someone having that many bedsheets?

Right.

Now, how he collected the sheets also played on one guy's mind here.

Frederick Hopps is a neighbor who previously was incarcerated at this jail.

Yeah. And he said, how did these men avoid detection from patrolling guards? He said that he believes the men must have had help from other inmates or someone else inside the prison to collect the sheets needed for their escape.
He said, you're issued, you're issued two bed sheets when you go in. More or less, if you put your name on them, they go to the laundry and back and that's it.
Those are your sheets. So other residents said the same thing.

They said, quote, it was too easy for him to get away. It had to be somebody on the inside.
And one person said, let him head over to Manhattan to the rock. Let him get out of there.
He'd be shark bait. Okay.
I guess Rikers or Rikers or Alcatraz they want to send him to the rock yeah he's the rock no no just rikers have him have him be in that the island prison new york it's their version of it i guess i don't fucking gotta get out wow this is the back mountain so yeah we'll go kind of a little bit of break here um and state police said that they don't know if he's on foot if there's a vehicle they don't know what to do here uh the state police trooper said what's to say that hugo can't change vehicles every hundred miles they don't know where he is who the hell knows but after a week here or not a week i'm sorry three days, three days, he turns himself in. Oh, really? You can't hack it? Yep.
He said he turned himself in about an hour and a half later. He's going into the jail, and a reporter asks him something, and he says, I wouldn't have missed this trial for anything.
He smiles. Really? I'm trying to be punctual around here.
That's all. Yep.
He was on the lam until about 8.40 p.m. on Monday.

So pretty old days.

He made it.

Yeah.

When he turned himself in at his own home.

He went home to turn himself in.

Really?

He probably went home, banged his girlfriend, and then was like, all right, take me now.

I thought I had this all figured out.

Turns out I don't.

Jesus.

Well, apparently the police got a tip that he was there. So they showed up at the house, but Christina Strom refused to let them search the residence when she had previously allowed multiple searches.
And now today she's like, no, you can't come in. So about two hours later, the state police said that Hugo's lawyer called saying that he's ready to turn himself in, basically.
So he was arrested at the house at 8 47 PM on Monday without any incident. They said that, um, you know, he surrendered.
They said, we pulled in. He came walking out with his hands up.
I'm ready. There you go.
And, um, yeah, they said we left about an hour later. His attorney said he'd meet, meet us there.
And that's what happened, which is fucking wild. I think anyway.
So, uh, they said, they said that they're unsure why he specifically requests. He requested two specific officers, which is weird.
Yes. And the lawyer said, I'm not sure why he requested those specific officers.
They said we hadn't discussed it. He said, I'm going to have to wait and see.
I was more concerned just to make sure that no one was injured and no one, you know, that he wasn't injured in any way.

He was wearing army fatigue pants and a T-shirt.

He'd been wearing gray sweatpants when he fled the prison. It's unclear where he got pants from, where he changed.
I assume his house. He was in his house.
So, you know, could have been doing that. State police reached into a pocket of his camouflage army pants and withdrew a $10 bill, a business card, several slips of paper containing phone numbers and addresses, and a handwritten note on line paper that had worn at the folds.
There's that. All that shit.
So he's had some stuff in his pocket. Now, while awaiting arraignment on his two escape charges, he smiled and shrugged and just hammed it up.
He said, I'm looking forward to the trial. That's all there is to it.
I'm innocent, and that's all there is to it. Then he said, I wouldn't have missed this trial for anything.
So they said, though some might say that these escape charges would indicate he was trying to miss the trial, he said, no, absolutely not. That's crazy.
Just having some fun. So they're saying there was intelligence.
The police said there was intelligence that told us he was in the area. He was probably going to be at the residence.
Now, where did he go? What lavish fun did he have? He went to his aunt's house and was hidden in an attic for a day. That's one.
That sounds better than jail, I guess. I don't know.
Mildly. Then he left the house in Pittston after a day, and the court paper shows he was dropped off in a wooded area of the back mountain, and he must have used a car to get there, a car left there to make it to his house.
Someone must have helped him. So he turned himself in to the police anyway, so there we go.
Now, reactions. James's mother found out about it, apparently.
The son didn't keep it from her. And the son said she fell to pieces when she learned that he had escaped.
And when they were notified he was captured, she said, Oh my God, I feel so much better. I was petrified.
He was headed for Brooklyn. I couldn't sleep.'t come kill your family too i don't know he heard the rocks there he's not coming there no way staying out now how the fuck did he get out of this window yeah that's something interesting well the jail window wasn't fixed after the last escape in 1989 it's been yeah almost 20 years 15 years yeah two it's crazy they said that this it happened in 89.
A guy named Cecil Robbins had tried to escape from the same cell in 89, and they said the window was too small, too thin, poorly installed, and secured with only caulk after this guy had fucked it up the first time. He just popped it out.
Glued it back there? Jesus. That's all.
So they viewed the cell block and said the mattresses in a double homicide suspect cell here had a large slit in it, making it possible for him to hide the 12 sheets he used to shimmy from the prison seventh floor. I was going to say, where do you hide sheets? I guess you could tuck them into your mattress.
That's all you could do. That's the only place.
They said, yeah, they're big. Yeah.
It's not like a little bag of fucking coke or something you can put in your pocket. And only one sheet, in addition to the four sheets in his cell, were unaccounted for in the entire cell block.
They said accountability is definitely lacking and they say that also a shank was reportedly found in his cell and that was material from an electrical outlet that could have been used to scrape the caulking from the window. Okay.
He's got a little piece of metal from that and scraped out that shit. So the captain at the prison, Al Ottensman, said that this will lead to security changes.
He said that they changed the policies. Some security I can't talk about, but the sheets we found out that they threatened a lot of those inmates, especially the meek ones.
They were just bullying people for their sheets. Like, I thought you'd get raped in prison, not have your sheet taken.
What the fuck? This is weird. Give me your sheets or I'll rape you.
They cut eight and got their sheets. So they said they so we have we changed having their names actually printed on some of them.
So now you know.

Now, is there going to be escape charges?

Well, one of the charges is dismissed on a technicality because the bed sheets used to repel from the prison cell are admissible here.

And prosecutors say the prison escape shows his consciousness of guilt.

So they're holding off on the escape charges until after the murder charges

because the bedsheets are admissible

evidence in the murder case.

Multiple murder cases. Now

Russin, Patrick Russin

pleads guilty

to third degree murder, which

I didn't even know that was a third

degree. Isn't that just manslaughter?

I think that's just you were in the

same city when it happened. I don't even know

what that is for Rudy and

Redman here. But

Thank you. Third degree.
Isn't that just manslaughter? I think that's just you were in the same city when it happened.

I don't even know what that is.

For Rudy and Redman here.

But Hugo is going on trial for the murders of Frank James and Adaya Keeler.

So the defense attorney said the best way to summarize the story that Pat the Rat Russon concocted here.

Old Pat the Rat claiming Hugo lured the drug dealers into his home and then shot and killed him. He said, quote, Patrick Russen's a liar.
That's my explanation. Lies.
Even though they were in my client's yard. He said that the prosecution's case against him is littered with lies.
It's all lies. He said there's no evidence that Hugo drove these two guys around Wilkes-Barre, then back to his home here the day that they were killed.
He said there's no evidence that Hugo drove these two guys around Wilkes-Barre then back to his home here the day that they were killed. He said there's no evidence.
He said that a bloody shooting occurred at the home. Although there is flesh on a garage door.
I don't have any flesh on my garage door. And they're burnt corpses and fucking clothes and Snoop Dogg jeans and shit.
So he also said there's no evidence that a massive fire burned the two bodies at the home days after the slayings. He said no neighbors saw it.
So how is there a fire? Well, there's fucking a fire pit with burnt bones in it. So at some point there's a fucking fire, right? Unless you jug a fire pit and then we're like, throw out a burnt bones in there, but don't light a fire.
that wouldn't make any sense. So they said there is evidence, though, of Russen is the one that brought the shotgun over there.
There's also evidence that Russen received special treatment in prison, including pay for no work and special visits in return for his cooperation with investigators. He said all that evidence will lead to an acquittal.
They said there is reasonable doubt in his story.

Reasonable doubt equals not guilty, the attorney says. So physical evidence here.
They said they had not been able to find the rake used in the burn pit. The state says only the shovel.
Totally innocent. The defense attorney also inquired as to why some state troopers could not testify where some items were specifically found, despite having control of the property for more than a month.
And they said, did you look for any hair, fiber, fingerprints, spit, or any other type of bodily fluid that may have produced any type of DNA evidence? And he said that the cop said, I don't know. I'm unsure.
I've got check the search warrant. I don't know what the fuck the lab does.
What do I know? I'll check the warrants and see. Patrick Russin here is the star witness, obviously.
He testified that Selensky called his younger brother to borrow the shotgun. And he said there's no record of such a call to Ron Jr., though, from the phone that Hugo would have used, even though there's that.
They said cell phone records don't lie, Mr. Russen.
People lie. Is this when you want to say oops? And Russen said, I never made an oops.
I didn't lie. And Russen is so he could have used any other phone on earth except his phone.
That's all it is. Russin is the only eyewitness to the shooting, obviously, which usually there's no eyewitnesses to murder.
So Hugo's brother testifies that Hugo never called to borrow the shotgun. They said, was there a time when you loaned that shotgun to Patrick Russin? And he said, yes.
When you loaned the shotgun to Patrick Russin, was he in the presence of Hugo? He said, not that I remember. And they said, do you know why he borrowed the gun? He said, he said something about skunks running around Hugo's house and was worried they were going to keep spraying Hugo's dogs.
So that's no evidence of him being there or being around the gun. Then they talked to James's girlfriend, Frank James's girlfriend, the one who was allegedly driven to a Rite Aid and then home here.
She said she was their first witness, the prosecution. And after rehashing the version of the story, she admitted to lying to police the first time she spoke with about James' disappearance.
Now, the story I told you is the real story she told of what happened, but she didn't say that at first. She said it was 26 days after James disappeared, the cops talked to her, and she said she immediately told police James picked her up from the hospital himself in his maroon Nissan and never mentioned anybody else.
She said she lied because she figured her boyfriend was in trouble and that's why he was trying to run away and that's why I haven't seen him in a month because he's in trouble. And now the cops are asking about him, so I'm going to put them on another trail.
That's all. She said she was trying to cover for them, even though she had already called prisons, morgues, and hospitals trying to track him down.
She said, I figured I'd try to cover for him. Then sometime later, during the Hugo Selensky investigation, she told police that Selensky was the guy who picked her up at the hospital in a white Honda.
So, yeah. So they said nobody, they said that no one saw him with the men at the pharmacy.
So he didn't go in with her to pick up the prescription.

So she could be lying is what the defense said.

They said no.

The defense attorney said nobody but Pat Russen sees James and Keillor go with Hugo.

The white Honda was seized and police found fingerprints inside it. None of them belong to either Red Man or the the recently birth given woman either the girlfriend so they uh questioned also the pharmacy's record indicates her prescription was picked up at eight that day by someone else instead of 4 30 when she said she was there she said she couldn't remember if she waited for the prescription at 430 and wasn't sure who picked up the prescription.
So the defense attorney challenged her credibility and said, quote, you're going to have to judge credibility to the jury. So watch and listen.
And so there's that. Hugo Culp, who lives 100 feet from the house, is there in a trailer.
He said nothing about seeing massive fires on the property he said i didn't see any fucking uh friars uh fires definitely not on may 14th anyway which we think the fires happen on like may 7th so may 4th yeah they said did you hear any gunshots in the night in question oh that's the other bodies i'm sorry that was oh no they disappeared then too so it would have been the. So they said, did you hear any gunshots in the night in question? And he said none he could remember.
And they also said, you know, police found no evidence besides what we said. The minute minuscule amount of flesh on a garage door, which is enough to me.
I mean, if somebody's skin flesh is on my garage door yeah yeah that's that person's probably hurt somewhere yeah that's like the brian coberger thing where they he they have the one piece of dna uh the touch dna on the on the knife sheath that was at the murder scene like under the dead girl's body and one of the dead girl's bodies and he's saying well that doesn't mean anything well i don't know my dna is in no murder scenes again that means a whole lot yeah how'd you get it there you better have a pretty goddamn good explanation for how that got there your dna is on the knife sheath of uh under under of a knife underneath a body that's been stabbed to death. Among other bodies, stabbed to death.
Dude, you're in a lot of trouble.

Now, out... of a knife underneath a body that's been stabbed to death.
Among other bodies stabbed to death.

Dude, you're in a lot of trouble.

Now, outside the court, things aren't all bad for Hugo.

Okay.

Because inside court, it's not looking good,

but outside the court, he's got a fan club now.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

Is he hot?

Ladies love Hugo.

Really? LLCH. Ladies love cool Hugo.
That's what he is. Yeah.
They love him. It's wild.
This article says, ludicrous as it may sound, Hugo Selinsky is a babe magnet. Women in offices and bars across Luzerne County describe him as sexy.
They love him.

Some female courthouse employees have even popped into the courtroom during jury selection to ogle him, perhaps locking eyes with his blue eyes.

People obsessed with Zelensky and the case have even branded Hugoists on one of the many Internet chat rooms created in his honor, some featuring his picture.

Court employees are ogling Hugoists. Coming on in to have a look at this guy.
Here's one of the comments from a website or, you know, one of the local newspaper websites following the whole case. Quote, I personally agree that if Hugo did kill two drug dealers, that he did the world a favor.
He doesn't really look like a killer, in my opinion. He is pretty hot! Oh, well, why don't we just release him then? Baby, 12 people.
Let's just uncuff the... You got any extra bed sheets for him? Because I bet he'll be using.
I mean... Oh, Jesus.
Bundy killed how many? 30 women? Yeah, didn't believe many 30 women and he didn't believe it how many women didn't buy it like he didn't do it oh my god that first that trial they talked to those women outside and they're like we don't think he did it because that's crazy he's too handsome okay so they go on to say such hugo buzz might leave the guys scratching their head and wondering what's wrong with women. We do the same shit.
How many guys wanted to fuck Casey Anthony? It's ridiculous. One high ranking county law enforcement employee speaking on the condition of anonymity said he's baffled how a man on trial for two shotgun slayings can memorize, mesmerize women and even some men.
He said he's our Charlie Manson, our David Koresh. Yeah.
Jesus. County Minority Commissioner Stephen A.
Urban says he's heard several women around the courthouse call Hugo hot. Unbelievable.
While Selensky's looks and Aw Shuck's grin undoubtedly woo some, his appeal probably won't go beyond the physical description, says Sheila Eisenberg, author of Women Who Love Men Who Kill.

It's a very specific book.

Jesus.

Research from her book showed

very specific. Niche.

Niche audience there.

Research from her book showed some

women, indeed our culture as a whole

worship macho men, quote unquote.

They said guns symbolize today's tough guys, whether the shooter is an officer of the law or a bad hombre. It's an extremely macho thing to kill someone.
And there's a certain segment of women who are turned on by that. Yeah, we've noticed that.
We've seen that lately. And they said also his 2003 prison escape being so daring using a rope of bedsheets probably this for some women.
She said, it's the Robin Hood thing, the escape from authorities, the I'm going to get my freedom. How many times do we see that on TV where some guy leaps out unhurt? This proves he's young, vigorous, has muscles and all that stuff we venerate in our culture.
He can cross 70 feet from bed sheets. That's's impressive yeah i mean jesus imagine how good he can clean the yard up after that you know think about it throw me over his shoulder and take me right to the bedroom amazing so uh they said surviving unscathed is the key she said because then he looks like a big guy selenski's partner in the escape cellmate scott bolton fell and landed on the county prison's roof suffering injuries and leaving him paralyzed from the waist down doesn't doesn't have a fan club for him not going to be stealing any st atvs anytime soon eisenberg said he's not being described as sexy i'm sure nobody's writing to him a failure in a wheelchair is the way they look at him, whereas this guy's cool.
You slag motherfucker. Zelensky received piles of fan mail, some of it rather intimate during his time at the State Correctional Institution at Dallas.
He's been asked to be featured in a song by a punk band and has been asked to be featured in an author's book. picture he said he received from the philadelphia 76ers cheerleaders read what roses are red violets are blue hurry up and get out we're all waiting for you what the fuck is happening you can fuck free men that are very wealthy that are right in front of you, literally.

The cheerleaders for the 76,

the whole squad wants to fuck one man.

The fact that Allen Iverson's not around,

what are you doing?

Unbelievable. What are you talking about?

Guys can dunk from the foul line,

and you're interested in this guy with his bedsheets?

You're looking for a guy that shotgun blasts people

and buries 12 in his fucking yard.

Wow.

Eisenberg, who'd been interviewed on many national TV programs about the subject of intimate relationships,

said her research found that many women who pursue relationships with killers behind bars want someone they can try to save or reform.

Well, yeah.

Others simply find bad guys a turn on.

There's that.

Often the women were abused.

Well, yeah.

Women who want this probably didn't have a great. Where's your dad? First question.
Yeah. Where's your dad? Who is this guy? What prison was he in? When did he leave and never see you again? Like, let's talk about it.
When did he beat the shit out of you? What's going on? So she said, if he's in for life, he's safe. Eisenberg said he can't abuse her.
She's in control of the relationship. And we do get that a lot.
If you watch Love After Lockup, that's men and women that have someone on the inside. It's because they control everything.
They control how much money they have, how much everything. They're not going to be out at the bar blowing everybody.
Once they get on the outside, it's a little different. So they go on to say, nevertheless, these women usually get actively involved in their

inmate's case and fight to get him out.

She said, though, the relationship would likely fizzle outside confinement.

Yeah.

So said if there's no way to dispute an inmate's involvement in the crime, the women make excuses

to justify or rationalize his involvement, such as an act being accidental, provoked or

drug induced.

She said, perhaps some women want to link with Selinsky because he's somewhat of a celebrity, she said. Also, she said Selinsky's got national coverage when he tried to escape.
So women may reach out because they want some of that fame. They said, though, Eisenberg believes Selinsky would still attract admirers if he even if he wasn't so photogenic.
She mentioned John Wayne Gacy, a serial killer.

Obviously, we know who Gacy is.

That ugly fuck.

She said Gacy wasn't considered handsome, but he still got bombarded with letters from women who wanted to meet him.

It's something in the I don't know what it is.

It's the fame.

It's important.

Something they said.

She goes on to say he was an overweight and physically unattractive guy what was attractive to some women about him was that he did those murders poof eisenberg is interested in talking to selensky if he is convicted for her new book which aims to find out why certain inmates pursue relationships with women from the outside well gee because they give you money and fucking and you it's nice to talk to people who aren't criminal men yeah and who aren't busy doing this bullshit all day they can tell me stories of things and you can talk about emotions with them and shit that you can't talk about guys in fucking prison and they give you money also for your commissary so uh she found inmates who post their pictures and hobbies on the internet seeking relationships though it's unlikely they'll ever get out. We know all about that from the prisoner dating game on Patreon.
One woman regularly attends Selinsky's court proceedings, passing him mints through deputy sheriffs and taking notes. See if he wants an Altoid.
Mints. Mints.
How is that allowed? Those could be drugs. You don't know what that is.
Can't put anything put anything in his fucking mouth that's fucking crazy she has declined to comment to the media eisenberg got her idea for women who love men who kill when she saw a newspaper photo of a fairly attractive young blonde standing with a new york city man who was about to stand trial for murdering his second wife that blonde was described as his fiancee wow was that the other Peterson? I don't know. Who knows? That could be anybody.
She said, I wondered why a woman would want to get involved with a guy accused of murder. Yeah.
I would wonder that myself, but I think we know. She said, not everyone in the Hugo internet chat rooms and blogs is enamored with him.
When someone posted on one site saying Selinsky is very attractive and it's hard to picture him doing evil things, the following response was submitted. Quote, yes, looks can be deceiving, so it doesn't matter what someone looks like on the outside.
Someone on another site said people really need to find better things to do than rally for the cause of fucking idiots like this, no matter how charismatic or charming they may be. Also, during this trial, the mother of Redman here, Adaya Keeler, said she approached Patrick Russen and to thank him for testifying.
Really? Yeah. Even though he helped dispose of the bodies, at least, that's according to him.
She said, I forgive Patrick, and I told him I forgive him. He said, thank you.
So, verdict comes in. This is just for the two.
This is Rudy and Redman, and it's called the Rudy Redman trial. That's what it's called.
And he is found not guilty of murder. How? I don't know.
I don't know. I can't imagine how.
Their bodies are at his house, like right there. And there's remains on the garage door.
Wow. How? But he is found guilty of burning the bodies, though.
He guilty of you know desecration of corpse or whatever um now his aunt said that she was ecstatic about the verdict this is hugo's aunt she said i'm ecstatic i'm ecstatic and relieved it's over the family has known all along he wasn't guilty we've stuck by him there's another murder trial coming up here by the way calm. Calm down, lady.
He is sentenced to, for the corpse, whatever, you, sir, may fuck off two to four years in prison. That's what he got for that.
Wow. So 2008, because that was 2006, that trial, 2008, Paul Weakley pleads guilty to federal charges, and he's serving life sentence and agrees to testify against Salinsky for the Krakowski and facet murders.
Okay. Cause he said he was with him, you know, they did it together.
Um, so 2009 here also Salinsky goes on trial again, not for murder, but for a violent home invasion and robbery in the Poconos. Oh, police say, uh, back in 2003, before the bodies were found in the backyard, he and Paul Weakley broke into a jewelry store in Tannersville after breaking into the owner's home and assaulting him.
So this is a thing they've been doing a lot. He was found guilty on that charge of of doing that and he is sentenced to you sir may

fuck off 32 to 65 years for that nobody even died huh no one even died 32 you can't do home invasions that's no big charge invasions to break into a fucking jewelry store that's crazy so the Krakowski and Fasten Trial does not take place until 2015.

Wow.

That's insane isn't it they have had him since a year after the murder and it's taken this long to actually try years later that is insane dude so the big question is is weakly going to testify paul weakly he'd be the star witness. They said his willingness to take the stand has been in question in the run-up to this trial.
He's been attacked in prison multiple times for being a snitch. Oh, boy.
And an inmate who did time with Selinsky pled guilty last year for trying to hire a hitman to kill him in prison. Holy shit.
Sounds like that came from Hugo. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. Sounds like it.
The family's still participating and helping. Yep.
So days before jury selection, Weakley told prosecutors that he would not testify, but then once trial comes up, he says, okay, fine. Because they told him, we're going to take you back to court.
That's part of your deal, motherfucker. Now you're on trial for murder, too, basically.

And he was like, okay, fine.

So in the openings, the prosecutor told the jury, what you will hear will shock you, will horrify you, and will break your heart. He said he's going to take jurors on a journey through the world of Hugo Zelensky, a journey he's been waiting a long time to take them on.
He said that Zelensky blew through $200,000 in 2002, despite only legally earning $187,000. Okay.
I don't know how the hell he legally did that. What was he doing? I don't know.
The assist, that would make no sense to me, despite only legally earning $187,000. We're sniffing around because he had $13,000 more.
That doesn't make any sense. sense no that doesn't make any sense at all i guess having it handed to him by krakowski wasn't a crime i suppose the assistant da said that uh zelinski took advantage of krakowski's legal troubles and um all of that it also said zelinski made it look uh made it look like krak and Fassett fled to avoid sentencing.
But, you know, instead the prosecutor described the beating and torture and said, imagine the terror, folks. So the defense here, they try to blame Paul Weakley for everything.
He already admitted to it, so he's a guy who did it. He said, the defense attorney said, did Hugo kill Krakowski and Fet or was it paul weakly he made the case to the jury that weakly had some reason to frame selensky he said paul was jealous of hugo and wanted him out of the way yeah jealous of him uh the defense he's just so hot how do you not be jealous it's not fair i want to murder him the defense i want to get him put prison forever.
The defense even told jurors that they will hear testimony that Weakley tried to kill Selensky on two occasions. They point out to the jury the many inconsistencies in his story to police and prosecutors as he was interviewed 15 times since the prosecution began.
Over a 13 year period. So yeah there's going to be some stories conflicting there, which is why you don't want to wait that long.
The defense said that Zelensky didn't need all that money because his girlfriend had a good jobs at the time. She had four hundred dollars in her checking account and you couldn't pay the closing costs.
So you apparently did need money. They said, where did that money come from? Tina Strom.
That's where. Right.
so the defense acknowledged that Selensky was getting money from Krakowski, but that said Selensky had no reason to kill him.

He said, why would you kill the goose that was laying the golden eggs?

Yeah.

He said that Hugo may have tried to help Krakowski flee, but he didn't kill him.

He helped him flee, and then somehow he ended up buried in his yard.

It's the weirdest thing. He got away and came back and killed himself in my yard so crazy so there's a jailhouse conversation with his father and brother where yugo seemed very nonchalant about all this shit all these murder charges he says i absolutely deny all the charges but if i did do it who gives a fuck he's recorded saying that i mean a lot of people give a fuck you know there's about 12 people in that box over there yeah a guy in a robe sitting up there a couple people went to law school for a few years you know i bet those vaginas dry up if you didn't do it yeah right oh really damn so hugo laughs on one of the days in court because, oh, yeah.

At one point, he turned to his right, smiled at his defense attorney, then removed his glasses and used his hands to cover his mouth in an attempt to disguise his laughter. What the hell? This happened during the minute or more it took State Trooper Edward Urban to remove a makeshift rope of bed sheets from a brown evidence bag.
Because he's pulling it out like a magician. And it's taken so fucking long that Hugo starts laughing eventually.
Because it's kind of funny. Like a clown pulling those yellow, red, blue.
Right out of his mouth. Out of their sleeve.
People laugh at that because it's ridiculous. So is this.
funny that's kind of hilarious the bed sheets were in one piece and an avalanche of evidence prosecutors as part of an avalanche of evidence to this day so that's fucking funny um wow so they cross examine the neighbor yeah who says she saw people driving away from kerkowski's house that one and uh she said she was near and farsighted both required the use of glasses uh and that there were obstructions from her vantage point looking out the window when she saw uh hugo this is my cousin vinnie this is the lady with the glasses going there's shit all over your screen's dirty better prescription i think it's time i think it's time for uh what is it time for uh thicker glasses thicker glasses yeah because she said they keep getting thicker yeah um she said i think it's time for thicker glasses what do you think now dear i think it's time thicker glasses. Now, the trial counsel gauged her ability to identify by showing her a picture and asking questions regarding that and whether or not she could accurately see what was going on outside her window.
So her testimony is shaky at best. I'm near and far.
She can't see shit and there's a tree in my face. God damn it.
So Weakley is the big witness. He testifies here and demonstrates in court how he and Selensky bound the victims with zip ties and took turns torturing the Krakowski to find out where he had hidden the money.
And he, like, gets down on the floor and does a demonstration. So that's rough.
That's damning when you see somebody going through the motions.

He testified that Hugo showed him a shoebox in March 2002 with approximately $60,000 to $80,000 cash inside. What size are those shoes? Jesus.
Those would be some big ones. That's a lot of shoes.
Some Shaq's shoebox? Whose shoebox do you have there? And inside there, Hugo said that Krak for paid him, quote, for services he was providing for Mr. Krakowski.
Weekly stated that the amount of money he testified to is only an estimate and he was never able to physically count the money. He said he agreed to help Zelensky and they plotted to rob Krakowski, kill him and dispose of the body to make it look like he'd have fled to avoid prison.
He's like, it's perfect. Him and the cash disappears.
Everyone thinks he fled. Weekly said, quote, I thought it was a pretty good idea.
Oh, boy. Yeah.
He said when he arrived at Krakowski's home, the girlfriend was there, too. They didn't expect that, apparently.
He said that wasn't part of the plan, but he and Zelensky agreed that she was just going to be a victim of the crime too now that was that yep weekly took her to an upstairs bedroom and bound her with flex ties uh weekly said quote she asked me why we were doing this she was scared out of her mind he said he reassured her they were only interested in robbing kerkowski and that she would be fine. That's nice.
Oh, that's fucked up.

Yep.

Weakley said he bound her with flex ties and duct tape,

covered the eyes with duct tape of Kerkowski,

beat him with a rolling pin, and choked him until he told the location of $60,000 in cash.

Then Weakley had led the police to the property north of Wilkes-Barre, and that was the day that the bodies were found. They also recalled Thursday that workmen, another witness, recalled that workmen were setting up a tent for the party when a convoy of police showed up at the house.
And the sister testified. He immediately looked at me and said, oh, my God, they're looking for bodies.
He was very shocked.

Now, one of the weekly things here is did he get a deal?

He claims on the stand he received no benefit for his testimony.

That's the that's the claim.

Now, yeah, he is testifying on direct examination that he received a federal sentence of life in prison and imprisonment for these murders that they're're trying Hugo for and that he'd been promised absolutely nothing for his testimony. But apparently he was getting some benefits.
He was moved out of solitary confinement when he began cooperating, and he was not charged with taking his one-time cellmate, Francis McBride, hostage during an escape attempt. Wasn't charged for that.
so everyone's trying to escape here this is crazy they question weekly regarding his evolving falsehoods through the course of these interviews including lies that he was not present when the murders occurred on some of his stories and only assisted in reburying the bodies at the property and that Patrick Russin and Krakowski's ex-wife were involved in the murders. He said that at one point, that Kim was involved.
Yeah. Okay.
That was one of his stories. He has literally 15 different stories, so there's a lot of variation here.
He admitted on cross-examination to being a, quote, liar with a record of various criminal convictions that he added various details to his accounts to make them more believable as well. You know, lying.
That's how, you know, liars do. Wow.
So apparently that was that. The trial counsel could have, I guess, presented evidence that a search of Weekly's residents uncovered bomb making equipment disguises a how to murder manual.
What? Oh, yeah. All these things were found in his shit.
Also, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, there's some child pornography involved in this with him, too. Yeah.
He said Selensky then ratcheted a flex tie around Krakowski's neck as tight as it could possibly be, quote unquote. And that killed him.
And then he said that Selensky went upstairs and killed Tammy Fassett. And he didn't know what happened up there, except that he must have killed her.
He said, Weekly said he kept about $40,000. Selensky got $20,000 and they buried the bodies.
So he gave the helper more than he got. Why wouldn't he just split it 30-30 hugo's little sister then testifies to what she said before that she um was never uh like take so told she couldn't go on certain parts of the property nothing was off limits she could ride the atvs around and all that kind of thing um now another thing that could have came up here here is Hugo keeps saying that Weekly was obsessed with Hugo's family and gave his 12-year-old sister gifts, which he thinks would undermine the credibility to, you know, obviously, if he was trying to pick up a 12-year-old, no one would believe him.
Hugo's brother testifies, too, about some phone calls and that and that kind of thing now there's witnesses not called that he's very upset about here um they didn't call trooper gerald sachney who investigated the the samuel guse robbery to testify to the following information he learned during the investigation that witnesses saw a an osmobile or buick pulling away from guse's house rather than a white Honda. Blood found at Guse's house matched Weakley, not Hugo.
A hair on a glove in Weakley's car did not match Weakley, Hugo or Guse. Certain unspecified DNA did not match Weakley, Guse or Hugo.
Weakley sold jewelry from the Guse robbery along with coins presumably stolen in another robbery. There are two other suspects named in the robbery and that Weakley admitted to smoking a cigarette with Guse.
Hugo contends that the trooper's testimony would have challenged Guse's credibility and Hugo's involvement in the murders. Because they bring this guy that they robbed on the stand, too, to describe it.

That's the guy who said they all smoked cigarettes afterwards.

So, verdicts come in here.

Now, the charges against Zelensky are two counts of criminal homicide,

two counts of criminal conspiracy to commit criminal homicide,

one count of criminal solicitation to commit criminal homicide,

two counts of robbery, two counts of criminal conspiracy to commit robbery, one count of theft. Heavy.
Heavy. The jury deliberates for over a two-day period for 11 hours.
Really? Yes, they do. And may find him guilty on all charges except conspiracy to commit robbery on Tammy Fassett and solicitation of murder on Krakowski.
Somehow he's not guilty of those two. Not sure.
Doesn't matter. Those are lesser charges than the ones we have.
And they're still aggravators to the others because all the conspiracy charges except for those two are in there. And the robbery of his parents is fucking disgusting.
Yeah, that's awful. He went to these poor people's house.

Yeah, he went to these people's house. They were like 75 years old.
And told them that he needs money. That's crazy.
And then just said, give me the money. Come and shoot you.
Now, Hugo's brother, his brother Ronald here, Ronald Jr., the one that testified apparently following family members of the victims and prosecutors to the elevator after the verdict is read apparently an affidavit filed said that Ron pointed his hand in the shape of a gun at the prosecutor and detective and said, you, I'm going to get you Ron in a courthouse he did this and they arrested him right then right he's immediately arrested handcuffed and taken away by court deputies yeah you can't do that he was charged with disorderly conduct and making terroristic threats right and um yeah he was released on his own recognizance but you can't do that no now during sentencing kerkowski's mom geraldine read from a prepared statement she said he knew he killed my son and for a year he was out at our door looking for money trying to make us believe that michael was still alive he kept coming oh michael needs help he's over here michael took off and they didn't want to know so they didn't know uh she said and that just hurts to think that we were played for such fools i know i can be satisfied knowing you will spend eternity suffering in hell because you know there is going to be an eye for an eye. Hugo, you know you will be right where you belong in hell with Satan because you are the devil in every sense of the word.
Wow, she went hard. So mitigating factors here.
Well, he's got daughters, so they bring his kids up there. Four of his sisters spoke, saying they loved him.
They called him an intelligent and caring man who's protective of his family. A college student and Selinsky's daughter, Madeline, said that he sent her letters with, quote, big words to broaden my vocabulary, asking her to look the words up and use them in sentences to show she understood their meaning.
He told her to avoid alcohol until she turned 21. Well, that's good, so let's let him go.
Don't drink. I'm a good dad.
Wow. His two younger sisters, both nursing students in their 20s, called him a father figure who briefly took care of them more than a dozen years ago while their dad, who is now deceased, was ill.

They said, I wouldn't be who I am today without him.

Another sister, Ruth, said that Selensky sends artwork to her children, some of it painted with Kool-Aid and coffee, and then he tells them to scratch and sniff.

It smells like prison jizz.

He said,

she said,

oh God, no matter what, I will always

want my children to know of Uncle

Hugo. Well, here we go.

The judge definitely knows of Uncle Hugo.

And he says, you, sir,

Uncle Hugo, may fuck

off consecutive

life terms

I'm going to go out, man. Ensuring that what the judge said that Selinsky will,, never again, walk the streets of this Commonwealth or this community.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Rapunzel's tower with no bed sheets,

no bed sheets.

I wonder if he's still hot.

How hot are you now?

Also the escape charges.

Finally, from way back then,

he pleads guilty to the escape charges because they finally use the evidence the bed sheets and was sentenced separately to a maximum of three years and five months in prison which is time already served so he got nothing for that doesn't matter he's in jail for two lives plus 120 years oh boy now he does an interview really he kept saying from the time he got caught from the time going into court kept saying, I'm not going to talk now. I'll talk when all this is over.
I promise I'll give you interviews and all this is over. And he actually does.
This is right after the sentencing. And he says, quote, as far as the verdict, it's hard to say I respect the verdict.
I'll live with it. I stand by my innocence.
Okay. Okay.
He says it's been a trying time for his family. He said, I'm in the hole.
It's a miserable experience and it's harder for my family. He said that with the trial, there's many things he'd do differently.
At the top of the list is his decision not to testify. Really? Should have done that.
He said not testifying was a glaring mistake. I should have got on the stand.
Somebody on that jury was holding out. I believe I could have convinced the others had I gotten on the stand.
Which, if you got on the stand, then it's your word against Weakley's word. Right.
So if you can present a better self than Weakley, you got a chance. And you can say whatever you want in your defense.
The bummer is going to be when they get to question that. And you don't want to do that.
No, you don't want to do cross with that shit. That's going to be ugly.
That's why he didn't testify. In his opinion, he explained that the jury went the wrong way thanks to his former partner in crime, Paul Weakley.
He said, I have a very unhealthy dislike for Paul Weakley. You know, the type that makes you allegedly hire someone to hire a hitman to kill him in jail.
You know, that kind of. So, Selinsky believes without Weakley's testimony, he would have been acquitted.
I don't think so. I really don't.
I really don't think so. You got bodies in your yard, man.
You got bodies in your yard. You got his parents saying that he fucking, you know, was coming over extorting them for money, all this type of shit.
Wow. Weakley didn't do that.
You did that. That's what I mean.
He said throughout both trials, even the one he was acquitted in, he said that he was misrepresented. He said, I'm portrayed as a vicious villain, and that's wrong.
I have people who love me. I'm not a monster.
I'm fighting for my life, and I'm going to continue to fight. So that's the definition.
If people love you, you can't be a monster.

And if you keep fighting.

Yeah, so that's nice.

BTK, you're fine.

Your family loved you.

You're good.

Ridiculous.

At the end of the conversation, he reiterated his innocence when asked how the bodies of Tammy Fassett, Michael Krakowski, and at least three others ended up in his fucking yard.

He said, quote, that's a question I'd like an answer to oh would you would you i i'm wondering the same thing i've been wondering that since 2002 wow oh my god the price tag for his defense in this trial was 530 or 517 351 dollars and who paid that that's not him he didn't have any fucking money for that. The county or whatever, the state, I don't know, somebody.
So he appeals, obviously. Sure.
He appeals on several factors. I'll give him quickly here.
One is ineffective assistance of counsel. We knew that was coming.
He was setting that up in his jailhouse interview right away. He says that the counsel was ineffective for not rebutting Weekly's claim that he received no benefit for trial testimony.

Said he did get out of solitary and he got out of trying to hold a guy hostage in an escape attempt for that. So the court says, though, that this claim fails as it lacks arguable merit.
Attorney Brown elicited testimony from Weekly on cross-examination that his plea agreement provided that charges related to

several robberies and possession of child

pornography were dropped.

They dropped his child porn

charges. Really? He's in for life

in federal prison, that's why.

Yeah. So this guy's a scumbag.

I'm sorry, Hugo. Either

way, you're hanging out with child porn scum.

Yeah.

Hanging out with dudes attracted to kids, so you got a bad judge of character, man. I was trying to fuck your sister, allegedly.
So, man, part of his federal plea agreement has also agreed not to prosecute him for the instant murders, which could have led to a potential death sentence. Also, that they should have challenged that neighbor, that old lady neighbor near and far sighted more.
He argued that

her overreaching account

was not challenged enough by trial

counsel and that she should have been asked

by various questions on cross

examination, including why she contradicted

her deposition testimony that her children

were of elementary school age

by testifying at trial that they

were in junior high and high school.

Well, Christ, by the time the trial came, they were

fucking had careers and three kids for Christ

Thank you. were of elementary school age by testifying at trial that they were in junior high and high school.
Well, Christ, by the time the trial came, they were fucking had careers and three kids, for Christ's sake. They got 401ks.
Wow. They further note here, he does, Hugo, that the trial counsel did not call into question this witness's improbable testimony that she was working at her desk in her home by the window and yet somehow was paying close enough attention to what was happening outside her window to see him.
He posits that trial counsel should have asked her why she continued to stare with locked eyes at him despite the fear this aroused in her. Because when people are scared, they look at things.
That's how they do it. You can tell a lot of times when you see an interrogation and you see somebody with their eyes locked on the interrogator, that's like a predator prey thing.
You're keeping them in your sight because you're scared of them. So that's actually a thing.
But they said that she should have done that. Also, why she did not tell police about this memorable episode, notwithstanding the fact that she kept a journal at the request of Krakowski's mother of the comings and goings from the House beginning on May 3rd, 2002.
They said lawyers should have also attacked the Krakowski's mom more as well. Should have went after you go after the victim's mother.
That's how you win the murder case. You go after the dead guy's elderly mother.
That'll get the jury on your side.

They said, though, as was pointed out in a hearing, Geraldine Krakowski was in her 80s at the time of the trial of diminutive stature, and she had recently lost her husband.

So they said probably the attorney said it was their strategy that it wouldn't benefit the defense to disparage an aging widow who's also the mother of a murder victim by trying to accuse her of illegal acts.

Because that's what he wanted.

She's having a tough week.

Let's let her be.

Yeah.

They said the strategy, his attorney said the strategy was to try to get her on and off the stand as quickly as possible. Because she's nothing but sympathy.

So get her the fuck out of there. The more you try to attack her, the jury's going to start throwing things at you.
I mean, you can't leave the old lady alone. Yeah.
They said the attorney further explained that the victim's father was much more involved with the illegal acts than his mother and therefore would have raised the issues with the father if he had been alive. But he wasn't.
So he said it would be very difficult to get to the bottom of these issues through Mrs. Kerkowski.
And she could just go, I don't know what you mean, sonny boy. And then the jury thinks you're a monster.
Also, that the lawyer should have called Hugo's uncle in. They said the first individual as to which the appellant argues trial counsel is ineffective for failing to call as a witness is Robert Higdon, his uncle.
They say that Higdon would have testified that he had worked for him in the past. Higdon had previously lent him money, Hugo money, and that Hugo could have asked Higdon for money in May of 2002 if he needed and he would have given it to him.
With respect to Higdon, the attorney agrees with the trial at the council that the first three factors of the five-part test for ineffectiveness claims related to a figure to call a witness were satisfied, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He did plenty.
Some things aren't ineffective assistance of counsel. They're just strategy decisions.
That's all there is to it. And also the prosecution's timeline is off.
Remember the 3.30, 5 o'clock, this one's at 7 o'clock, all that bullshit here. So there's that.
By the way, they've... So anyway, they tell him, fuck off, keep going.
Appeal denied, obviously. I mean, he's not going to get off on appeal.
No one... Yeah, he's got plus two life sentences.
Two lives, yeah. Consecutive.
Oh, boy.

No one has ever figured out who the fifth body was.

Are you shitting me?

We have no idea who the fifth body was.

And we have no idea where the bone fragments are for up to seven more people.

We have no idea who they are.

What the fuck?

Yeah.

Nobody knows.

It could be anybody.

Could be anybody.

Those could be Civil War soldiers. They don't know.
They could be. Well, no, they're burned and it is burned.
So probably not. Unless he dug up Thomas Stonewall Jackson and fucking burned him.
I don't think that. So next up here.
Now, he's in prison. You'd think the story's over, but it's really not here.
I am going to read an article here.

This is about a woman named Felicia Thomas.

This is from truecrimenews.com.

Okay, I've got to give them credit for this because this is legwork that they were doing,

so I've got to give them credit.

So here we go.

There's a woman here named Pauline who says about Felicia Thomas,

who is a young lady who has disappeared, said, quote, I think she was killed because she came and told us what was going on. The article, I'll just read the article when it comes to unsolved murders.
Sleepy towns like this are this one are notorious for wild rumor and innuendo. But you've never heard anything quite like what you'll hear from locals here in Luzerne County in northeastern Pennsylvania.
Everything is in here. Anybody or everything is in here.
Anything anybody told us, Pauline said. Pauline, with the help of family friend Judy Fisher, have compiled thick casebooks full of hundreds of tips, leads and newspaper articles about Felicia's disappearance.
And Pauline won't stop until she learns what happened to her daughter. Felicia was the eldest of seven children, just like fucking Hugo.

Look at that.

And grew up helping mom care for the younger ones.

They say Felicia still might be around had one of her friends, Jennifer Barzlowski, another Polish person, had not gone missing three years before Hugo Selensky's backyard burial ground was discovered.

Now, she disappeared while Hugo was in prison. Okay.
But we'll talk about this. This is what I mean, a possible link to these other bodies and possible other shit.
Felicia was looking for her. She was telling people she was looking for Jen.
She literally went out like a fucking detective to find her friend. So they said Felicia became obsessed with finding her.
She wouldn't let it go, Pauline, her mother said. And while playing amateur detective, she may have learned too much for her own good.
Enter a guy with two comedians' names, which is weird. Steve Allen Martin.
Steve Allen is a very famous old comedian and Steve Martin is fucking Steve Martin. So Steve Martin, he goes by Steve Martin here.
She quote, this is Pauline quote. She says, I think Steve Martin killed her and buried her in her basement.
her basement or his basement in her own basement i guess i said felicia that's so crazy people don't just kill people and bury them in their yards and basements and get away with it i guess

in his basement in her own basement i guess i said felicia that's so crazy people don't

just kill people and bury them in their yards and basements and get away with it i guess in his basement she might have misspoke um but yeah imagine that steve martin killed my daughter oh come on now um steve martin was the boyfriend of jennifer's sister and is said to be a friend of neighbor Hugo

Selensky. What?

Yes, this is all connected. This is

crazy. This is so deep we couldn't even get into this because you guys got to all look into this on your own or we got to do a patreon on steve martin or something here but they said uh trooper kelly who was involved in all of this shit said he was definitely a person of interest in jennifer's case right from the start he was the last person to be known to be with her on the day she went missing.
Then up to 12 bodies were found on Zelensky's property, and authorities thought Jennifer and another missing girl, 18-year-old Cindy Song, might be among them. What the fuck is going on? They said it was a case that shocked this area, Trooper Kelly said.
Even though Selinsky would admit he killed, wouldn't admit he killed Cindy Song, she was not, I guess they're saying that he might have admitted he killed her at some point, this Cindy Song person, after he was convicted. She was not counted among the victims because the bodies were burned so badly that the police couldn't say exactly how many there were.
They said some of them were in a burn pit where the bodies were burned to almost a powder. Jesus, because he used coal in there, too.
He wasn't using. Yeah, coal fire.
Said some of them were in a burn pit where the bodies were burned to almost powder. Forensics experts were only able to identify two, and Jennifer was not among them.
she so pauline said she tried to tell me tried to bring her girlfriend justice and i didn't listen then the year after selenski's arrest felicia thomas goes missing yeah so the friend he was in prison both times that these people went missing here did he give his crazy neighbor unfettered access to his property

to bury, burn?

Was his neighbor already doing this

before he even moved in?

And he showed him how to do it?

That's what I mean.

Did they talk?

How would you get together

with Steve Martin to talk about

how you both like to kill people

and dispose of their bodies?

I don't even know how that would come up.

They say on the night Felicia vanished,

police say she had left work

at a convenience store

between 1130 and midnight. She went home and her boyfriend was on the couch sleeping, said Trooper Kelly.
She woke him up and asked him if he wanted to do anything. If he wanted a beer.
I think I've already had a couple. I'm sleeping.
He told her there was something he told her that there was some beer outside on his ATV and that's it he went back to bed and she was never seen by him again he was interviewed several times he's been cooperative with the investigation so truly no one is ruled out as a suspect at this time and everything he said to us was checked out and appears to be true officer kelly said felicia went to a party that night quote when she, when she left that party with Steve Martin and another male and the other male was dropped off and her and Steve Martin continued on their way. Felicia Thomas was never to be seen again.
So Steve Martin was also the last person to see Jennifer Barzolowski before she vanished. So they're saying Felicia went to investigate, saying she thinks that Steve Martin killed her friend, but then she went to a party with him and took a ride from him.
That's odd. It's weird.
So Kelly says, I think there's a lot of peculiarities like Steve Martin was the last person to be seen with both people. Both people ran with the same circle of friends.
So they say a massive search is launched, but it appears right from the start to be an impossible mission. She went missing in June, which is full bloom in our trees in this area.
Heavy canopy, very dense wooded areas, caverns, ravines, creeks, dams, says Kelly. This body gives you or this gives you a sense of just how complicated the search has been for Felicia's body.
The focus has been on these wooded areas and forests punctuated by vast swamplands and muddy creeks. The mom, Pauline, said hundreds of people came out.
They came out on quads, on horseback. Everyone was really trying to help.
When the official search was called off after two months, Felicia's family keeps going out on their own and looking for her. Then, by accident, a pair of teenagers out riding SUVs, ATVs in a ravine, found, quote, one of them observed to be what he believed was a skull.
Oh? Forensics came back. It's a human skull.
Quote, both the dental records and DNA on the skull came back to that being Jennifer Barzalowski. Oh, boy.
Police hoped to find more evidence at the location. They said the scene was scoured relentlessly by Forensic Services Unit to come up with more of the remains, but the only thing that was located was that skull.
And he said the officer said, quote, I will say that skull was found within one mile of Stephen Allen Martin's home. Oh.
Yeah.

They said, you'll recall Stephen Martin was the last person to see them. Now Pauline suspects Felicia may have been made to disappear because she knew too much.
Police have also considered that story. Kelly said, for me, to say how close she was getting, I can't officially say that because we don't know.
But it's definitely something that's been tossed around that she had information, information allegedly suggesting that Martin and other men had said to have been friends and neighbors of diabolical killer Hugo Selensky may have been carrying on his evil handiwork after he was locked away. Felicia reportedly had a direct connection to Selensky through their live-in boyfriend, Eric Rudosky, who allegedly took Felicia to a party where Selensky was among the guests.
Felicia had actually partied with Selensky, allegedly more than once. One person said the only connection between them is Ed and Steve Martin.
They were all friends. Felicia used to go to the parties that Hugo was at.
Steve was Steve was at with Ed from all the leads and tips coming in from to Judy and Pauline.

There emerges one common story allegedly told by many witnesses that adds up to a horrifying account of what may have happened to Felicia at the after the party that night. One witness reportedly told you or what? Yeah, told Judy, this other person, Steve Martin was there and a couple of other guys were there and they talked Felicia into going into the bedroom to smoke.
And she went and she said soon there was screaming coming from the bedroom and that the man in the bedroom had a camera. They saw a camera go in the room with the one guy and they were scared they were taping and that she was going to be raped.
Several others allegedly told Judy that they heard Felicia screaming, once claiming that he got afraid the cops were going to come because of the screaming. He left because he was scared.
He thought they were beating her up. Judy says several witnesses said Felicia's boyfriend, Ed Rudaski, was also at the party and in the bedroom despite telling the police he went to bed after Felicia left the house.
They say they told him to take a walk and he did take a walk. He left her there to die because he left while she was screaming and he couldn't take it.
So another witness allegedly told Judy that several guests saw Felicia's body in the room. She said that when they opened the door that Felicia was wrapped in a blanket and they took her and buried her.
So they say, how much weight do you put in that? This person says, well, I do know that I wouldn't be telling you this if I didn't confirm it with the state police. The state police did get the same story many times, but they've dismissed these stories, saying they believe whoever's telling these stories were affected by drugs at the time.
It doesn't matter if they were on drugs. So the article goes on to say, I asked state police officer Tom Kelly about claims that snuff films were being made.
And is there any truth to these wild rumors? And he said, to my knowledge, no, I have no information or have heard anything about that. So, yeah.

He's heard nothing?

He's heard nothing.

He said, is that something that's crossed paths of the investigators on this case? Was it something at one time that was being looked into that there might be a snuff group operating? And Kelly said, yes. I mean, if people related the information to investigators, they may have that information.
But me personally, I do not. so um you'll recall that Felicia was last seen leaving the party with Steve Martin in a car and with a second unidentified man.
But despite that fact, he was last to see both Felicia and Jennifer. Police were never able to charge him with the murders.
But Kelly said Steve Martin was arrested and incarcerated for an unrelated charge and hung himself inside his prison cell, quote unquote.

I wonder why.

So there's a lot of signs and inferences that can say maybe he was our guy, but officially

we don't have a confession right now.

So it's still unknown.

He was was he he had to be involved in all this with something, right?

That's what I'm saying.

So, wow.

So Edward Radasky has not been charged with any wrongdoing and has cooperated with police. Yeah.
So Crime Watch Daily visited Edward Aski's mother and said, did Ed have anything at all to do with Felicia's disappearance? No, no, no. She said they go on to say getting a door slammed in your face is nothing compared to what happens when I go into an auto shop to talk to some of Ed's neighbors.
Good morning, sir. How are you? Sorry we've been rolling around the back of your property.
I apologize for that. I wasn't sure.
And they get cut off. Quote, you're lucky because my daughter-in-law had the gun aimed at you.
That's her job. She called me and told me she said she was all ready to bang and I told her to hold off.
She was going to murk you. There's a lady walking

around your yard. Shoot her now.

And he said,

well, I'm glad she's, the reporter said,

well, I'm glad you said that. We're working with Felicia

Thomas's family. And he

said, I don't know nothing about it other than what I read

in the paper. No idea.

So anyway,

there is a book that just

came out in 2024.

It's a paperback called Hugo's Graveyard.

Really?

Yeah, written by, who the hell wrote this fucking thing?

Edward Lewis.

It has 4.8 stars out of 15 reviews.

It's only 296 pages, and it's only available in paperback.

What the hell is it about?

No audio book.

I don't know.

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