Bloody Headless Mess - Shakopee, Minnesota

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Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely insane episode of Small Town Murder Express.

As you know, it's just 10 pounds of murder in a two-pound bag.

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Oh, wow.

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and give me

murder.

Let's do this, everybody.

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

All right.

We are going to Minnesota this week.

Oh.

We like it up there.

It's always nice.

And Minneapolis.

I haven't really been to many other places there, but Minneapolis is nice.

We're going to Shekopee.

Yeah.

S-H-A-K-O-P-E-E.

Shecopee.

It's got to be a bird, right?

No, it's an Indian chief, actually.

Oh.

Named after him.

It's in southeastern Minnesota.

It does sound like a bird, though.

It's a really good guess.

The state bird is the Shecope.

If you said that, I'd be like, yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Most of those peas,

most of those

are birds.

Yeah.

Your Eastern pee is birds.

It's about 30 minutes outside of Minneapolis, so a suburb of Minneapolis, and about an hour and 20 minutes to Blooming Prairie, Minnesota, our last Minnesota episode.

Losing streak Lois.

Remember her?

Oh, yeah.

Wow, was she crazy in a mess, too?

Well, that was a wild episode.

Just following her around and finding her.

This is in Scott County, area code 952.

Population here has just boomed in the last like 25 years.

It's gone crazy.

It's about 45,000 right now.

It had 20,000 in the year 2000.

It had like 8,000 in 1990.

It's just,

it's a suburb, so it's blown up.

Median household income out here, $96,473.

So doing okay.

Doing great, almost $30,000 above the national average.

Median home cost here, $349,900.

So it's not even exorbitantly expensive, but it's kind of a wealthier area, like a nice suburb type of deal.

Little drop of history here.

In the 1700s, Chief Shekope II

of the tribe here of the, oh, how do you say that?

Meduacanton, Dakota tribe here.

That's where they were

based, established his village on the east end of this area near the water.

So that's how it happened.

In 1851, a guy established a trading post here and then started platting

the village and named it after the chief.

And it grew.

The town grew, it incorporated, and then it

surrendered its charter in 1861 for some reason.

They ended up naming it Jackson Township for a while after Andrew Jackson, which is the opposite of naming it after an Indian chief completely.

And then somehow, I don't know when, but renamed it Checope back again at some point.

Yeah.

So pretty much it's now just tied in intrinsically to the Minneapolis area.

It's all people who live in Minneapolis live here or work in Minneapolis.

It's that sort of thing.

Here's some reviews of this town.

Five stars.

I moved here not long ago.

That's a sentence.

Just that's an opener.

I moved here not long ago.

It is a wonderful neighborhood and it is very safe.

I can't really name any type of negative experience at all.

Truly wonderful.

Never had a bad time.

Never.

Everything's perfect.

The best.

Truly wonderful.

Three stars.

I like the community that Shekopee has, but I wish there was more to do locally instead of having to drive to do things.

I think you're just being a little spoiled there.

You moved out there

to get away from

me.

Yeah.

So then I can complain about living in the middle of stuff and move even farther away and then complain it doesn't have enough.

Two stars here.

It's Minnesota.

We freeze balls all winter.

Do we?

We do.

I had to use this review just because we freeze balls all winter is great.

Then it says, for SME2.

I don't know what that means.

S-M-E-E-T-O.

Okay.

Don't know.

Sme has it come back.

I don't know.

But then this next sentence, I don't know if this person got hit in in the head before they wrote this review.

Come for it to just rain for floods to start, increase some traffic in the area.

Huh?

What?

I don't know.

Bring floods?

Is that what he said?

I don't know if I need an interpreter or

like a medium from beyond the dead.

I don't know what the hell this guy's talking about.

But things to do here.

There is the Valley Fair amusement park.

Okay.

Big deal.

It's owned by Six Flags.

It's their local Six Flags is here.

So it's a 90-acre amusement park and opened in 76, features about 90 rides and attractions, including eight roller coasters.

So it's a big one.

That's something to do.

They also have a water park called Soak City, which is included in the price of admission.

Cedar Point, which we've talked about

during the amusement park disasters, Patreon episodes, and Valley Fair were the first two parks in the Cedar Fair chain, and they sold them later on.

I did find a recent accident, well, not recent, but in 2006, the rear car of an amusement park roller coaster,

it's called, this was the wild one or the wild thing, I think it was.

I'll find it back down in this.

Yeah, the wild thing.

That was the roller coaster.

Sure.

Okay.

The rear car separated from the others and tipped over.

Oh, no.

Injuring 18 people.

18 people were in this car?

Yeah, they got thrown off.

The rider said it happened after one of the front, one in front of it experienced a problem.

A 16-year-old girl said it started jerking and moving around like not right.

We kind of heard scratching and we didn't know anything was wrong until we smelled metal grinding with each other.

And then we looked back and one of the cars was tilted on its side.

Jeez.

Did we lose somebody?

Oh shit, there's no one behind us anymore.

Smells like we're on fire, metal fire.

Is that normal?

14 people were taken to the hospital.

Four people refused medical coverage there.

The roller coaster, the wild thing, has six cars, was carrying 35 people.

It reaches speeds up to 74 miles an hour, but it wasn't going that fast when the people fell out.

And they said it's been 10 years since we've had any problems with this thing.

It's fine.

That said, let's talk about some murder, shall we?

Let's get into this.

Okay, let's go to 2021, and we'll introduce some people.

Yeah.

And then we'll start talking about them.

Okay.

Let's introduce first a young lady, or not a young lady, but a lady.

America is her first name.

Sure.

America Mafalda is the middle name.

Thayer.

T-H-A-Y-E-R.

America Thayer.

She's born 1966.

She's from Cuba originally.

So born in 66 in Cuba, not great.

Yeah.

That's tough.

That's tough.

You're in a communist country.

I mean, that's just how it is.

So she has a son named Charles as well, and we'll talk about later on.

Now, as of 2021, she's lived in the States for years and years and years.

And she is at that point, she has two jobs.

Oh, okay.

Working hard.

She works at the My Pillow Factory.

Okay.

Oh, boy.

And she works also at the Dollar Tree as well.

She has to have two jobs.

Two jobs.

She's hustling.

Yeah, she's hustling to make it work.

And, you know, she's 55 years old in 2021.

She's working her two jobs.

She's described by everyone that knows her as very soft-spoken and just kind of

good, spirited, smiley.

And in every picture of her, she's always very smiley, always doing like a smiley, happy pose.

Like, she doesn't seem like, all right, get the fucking picture of her with like I look in pictures.

She's having a good time.

She looks like she's having a good time even taking a picture.

One person said she's truly the kindest to everyone.

I haven't met anyone as genuinely kind as America since my late grandma.

That's what one of her co-workers said.

The nicest lady since my dead grandma is a biggest.

Favorite woman on the planet.

The biggest compliment you can get, I think, right?

Yeah.

So she in 2014

hooks up with a guy

here.

Now, he's about 13 years younger than her.

All right.

All right.

Not bad.

His name is Alexis Soberit.

And S-O-B-O-R-I-T.

He is also from Cuba.

So they're both Cuba.

Some uncommon.

That helps.

He's born March 30th, 1979.

He arrived

from Cuba in 2007

and pretty much immediately started fucking up as soon as he got here.

Really?

Yeah.

It's like Scarface came over, like the beginning of Scarface.

That's kind of what he's about.

He's insane, also, is all a thing.

Nice.

And part of that, as we'll talk about, is a traumatic brain injury that caused him to be in in a coma for a long period of time.

Oh, no.

And then he started having wacky thoughts.

So weird.

Yeah.

It's like he was a criminal before that.

No, he was a criminal, and then he turned into an insane criminal.

It would be like in a movie if they put the wrong brain in the wrong, like Frankenstein, but they, you know what I mean?

They put this criminally insane person in there.

So

he has a conviction for domestic abuse in 2009.

Tons of violating protecting orders and things like that.

Battery charges, false imprisonment, armed with a weapon.

You name it.

Tough time making critical thinking decisions.

Yes.

And this is before his injury.

He doesn't have an injury until a couple years from here.

He was arrested in 2009 from preventing his girlfriend, not America, they didn't meet until 2014, but preventing his girlfriend from leaving their vehicle by pulling her hair.

Oh.

So that was that he was charged with domestic abuse because somebody saw him whipping his girlfriend's head around by the fucking hair in the car, which obviously will get the cops called on you, hopefully.

Another time in 2011, this is down in Louisiana, by the way, I think where he first came,

with a different woman here

at this point, a live-in girlfriend.

He was charged this time with attempted murder, second-degree kidnapping, false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, and domestic abuse by strangulation.

God damn.

Yeah.

His girlfriend, when the cops got there, was found with a swollen face, a lacerated arm, and the report said that the abuse happened due to a belief that Alexis thought his girlfriend was cheating on him.

I mean, so obviously you beat her half to death, clearly.

You don't have to talk about it or break up.

No, throw hands.

The attempted murder is the only solution sometimes, you know?

Wow, that's crazy.

He's not even sad.

Like, wouldn't you be sad rather than I'll kill you?

What a weird, it's a weird reaction for me.

I just can't, I can't get

my head around, yeah.

I abuse myself first before anyone.

Every time somebody says, I don't want to see you anymore, I go, Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah,

I was been expecting that for a while now.

That's right.

I can't believe you did the first one.

Every week you people come back, we're shocked.

Unbelievable.

It's been 600 weeks, and we're still shocked.

They're not 600 episodes.

And we're still like, Wow, we just expect you all to abandon us one week.

Yeah.

Because that's how we are.

We're pathetic.

So he threw her on the bed and suffocated her with a pillow, repeatedly punching the pillow

over her face.

Which will, I guess, maybe stop a cut from forming on your forehead, but you're still getting all the force of the blow.

And, you know, that's brutal.

And

so the pillow caused her right eye to swell

and her lips to swell up because he's been beating her.

And then he said, I got to up the auntie a bit.

Okay.

Sure, I threw her on the bed and she's half suffocated, and I'm beating her about the head and face, but I could use a knife is what I could use.

Oh, boy.

A large knife, as a matter of fact.

So he told her repeatedly he was going to kill her and then tried to stab her repeatedly, and she was dodging it.

And the cut on her arm is from

he caught her.

Then finally, her,

wow, eventually his knife broke from from stabbing into something and missing her.

But that's how hard he's, he's not.

So, yeah, that's just

slashing.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is with for purpose.

He's trying to kill her.

And

so the knife broke.

So he just chased her throughout the home.

And

somewhere along the chase, he found a pair of scissors to pick up.

Yeah.

And

then

tried to stab her with scissors.

And there's holes in things all over the house from him trying to stab her with the scissors too, where he misses her because apparently he's not very good at this.

Holes can be seen throughout the home, including in a door and on parts of a bed.

Now they have a roommate, by the way.

Really?

He's doing this with another person in the house.

Oh my.

What does that tell you?

He's a bad guy.

I don't care what you think.

Crazy fuck is what that says.

He's not even like, I'll wait till later.

Which I guess is more premeditated, but he's just nuts this guy yeah this is uh because normally maybe even if the guy said I'll wait till later maybe he'd cool off by then and change his mind this guy's just like what I'll kill you and then just attacks now now

so

yeah the third roommate called the cops

and by the way after he had already called the cops and the cops were on the way, Alexis didn't know that.

He then threatened to kill both his girlfriend and the roommate if they spoke to the police.

Jesus.

So there's a lot going on there

here.

So

he gets convicted of domestic battery

down in Louisiana, and he is sentenced to two years of hard labor.

Oh,

yeah.

Louisiana does not play around.

No, no, no, no.

Two years hard labor.

At that point, they try to deport him, but Cuba won't take him back.

No?

No.

So basically they put like a keep an eye on him thing, basically.

And so yeah, Cuba doesn't want him back.

Would you want him back?

I wanted to go back.

No, he's a pretty bad guy.

That's all right.

You keep him.

I think we're all right.

Because

if you came in 2007 from Cuba,

there's no travel from Cuba then.

Like you couldn't, you couldn't like, you know, get on a southwest flight from Havana to Miami.

Like that didn't exist.

No.

And they wouldn't let you in through another country either.

But if you could get here and get on land, then you're a refugee.

So that's how Cuba.

Yeah, that's how it worked

with Cuba for a long time.

So I don't know how exactly he got here, but

he's here.

So 2017, he gets pulled over for driving under the influence and is found with, the report says, quote, a large kitchen knife on the driver's side floor and an open bottle of Bacardi rum.

And a bullet.

That's a good combination.

Open bottle of rum and two deadly weapons, both a car and a knife.

Good job.

Then July 23rd, 2017.

Okay.

Oh, boy.

This is

in Shaska, which is up in, that's the town up in Minnesota.

No, that's in Minnesota.

Okay.

Okay, this is with America now.

America Thayer and he are together starting in 2014.

So

it's about 2.22 a.m., which is when all the, anything good happens usually.

Yeah.

The police department responds to a report of a verbal domestic altercation at a

patron's bar and restaurant at 207 Chestnut Street.

The officers arrived and they learned that it was closed and nobody was inside.

So somebody called the cops and then just closed.

That's how long it took them to get there.

They closed the bar.

We'll be there eventually.

When you close the bar, you have to put those mats up behind the bar.

You have to

count the tips.

It takes forever.

Like, this is really a long night.

So that's interesting.

So they learned that from dispatch, I guess the caller, I guess America had called the cops.

She was now

at home.

So they were like, okay, we'll go to the house.

So they go to the house and they were able to hear.

what sounded like people struggling on the west side of the home.

Okay.

So as they went to the west side of the home, an officer observed a male, Alexis here,

crouched over America and appeared to be holding her on the ground, like pinning her to the ground.

So the cop separated them and noted that Alexis smelled like a fucking distillery.

Like a sailor.

Yeah, it's just drunk as shit.

So she said, yeah, they've been dating on and off or whatever.

She said that the argument started when he began arguing with her at the bar because he thought she was talking to another man.

Oh, boy.

This is that guy.

Yep.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's not a good guy.

When America and Alexis got back to the house, she tried to exit the entryway to speak with the officers.

And that's when he pinned her to, he pushed her over, told her not to.

They were at the house, and she like went outside, and he went out and like shoved her to the ground.

She fell and scraped her elbow, and then he held her to the ground.

And this is what the cops saw when they went over because they heard the struggle.

He was holding his hand over her mouth, telling her, Shut the fuck up.

Don't you fucking let him know you're over here, trying to prevent her from talking to the cops, which is a whole separate charge in itself.

So it's not good, we'll just say.

Not at all.

No.

So he was convicted of domestic violence.

Luck good.

And

now before the trial, a restraining order was put in place against him.

But America sent the court a handwritten note asking for it to be overturned.

Really?

She wanted him back.

She didn't want the restraining order.

So

that happened.

Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

So

then he gets in a car accident.

later on in 2017.

And this is what really, I think, fucks him up good, even more than he's already fucked up.

This is the head injury?

Yeah, this is, whoo, this is a, this is bad.

So he's driving while intoxicated, obviously.

And he gets in a motor vehicle accident, and it leaves him in a coma for like more than a day, like days on end.

He's on a in a coma.

What year is this?

2017.

Uber super exists.

Oh, absolutely exists.

Yeah.

has no excuse to be that shit-faced.

So

he suffers a traumatic brain injury, and he ends up in this coma.

After this,

he begins experiencing auditory hallucinations

and paranoid delusions.

That brain is so fucking beat up.

Think about this.

He was crazy before this.

Oh, yeah.

Now you add in voices telling him to do shit

and paranoid delusions.

So, you know, thoughts of people conspiring against you.

Right.

And you're hearing voices telling you shit, too.

Like, that is a dangerous mix for this guy who is already on the edge of, you know,

I'm not even going to say on the edge.

I was going to say on the edge of civility.

He's not anywhere near the edge.

He jumped way off the edge.

He's been, he's been holding, wielding knives.

He's like Wiley Coyote.

He ran off the edge and was just running with his legs going,

and then he fell.

Gravity finally

took hold here.

So by 2018,

somehow he and America are not only back together,

but according to court records, and that's the only place I could find it, they're married.

Why?

I don't know.

I don't know why

she would want to marry.

Was there a knife at the cerebral?

Yeah, under threat.

He held

a knife to her side the whole time.

Shut up.

You say I do, bitch.

I do, you.

I'm sorry.

Jesus Christ, which is really weird.

One of America's friends reached out to Alexis's probation officer in 2020, even and expressed concern about his physical and emotional abuse of America.

So a third party said, Hey, I know a guy that's doing this.

The friend characterized Alexis as, quote, mentally ill to an extreme extent.

Nice.

Fucking batshit crazy.

Extreme extent.

Extreme crazy.

I mean, mentally ill doesn't even cover it.

Like, to an extreme extent is a lot.

That's too much.

And predicted to the probation officer that America Thayer is going to, quote, end up dead soon.

He's going to hurt her.

He's nuts.

Even if he doesn't want to hurt her, he's going to fucking hurt her.

When the probation officer reached out to America, she denied everything.

She said he wasn't being violent at all and insisted that her friend had fabricated the story because the friend just doesn't like Alexis and wants her to break up with him.

So that's what's going on.

Now, October 17th, 2018, he's going to be arrested for a few things:

fleeing a peace officer by means other than a motor vehicle.

Oh, what is that?

Pogo stick?

I don't know.

That's what I picture.

Fuck foot, I guess.

Razor scooter.

Bird scooter.

Yeah, it's a unicycle.

Just picture the craziest conveyance you can.

Maybe that.

It's possible.

The app.

Yeah.

And

obstructing legal process and interfering with a peace officer.

This is October 27th, 2018, at 11.40 p.m.

Again, we know his hours of operation, what they usually are here.

Shecope, now they're there.

Police officers are dispatched to Babe's Place, which I believe is a restaurant or bar, whatever, at 124 Holmes Street South in the city of Shecope.

And it was due to a report of a man with a knife outside the bar.

Nice.

I'll give everybody one guess who that might be.

America.

Yeah.

So

a physical description of the male was exactly Alexis, you know, six foot, 160 pounds or something, whatever it was.

He's the one.

It's him.

Apparently,

they were told that Alexis tried to start a fight in the bar earlier in the evening and got kicked out.

Oh.

So he apparently

went to the passenger side floor of his car and picked up his butcher knife that he likes to carry.

Came back.

On arrival, the officers observed Alexis here,

the guy was reported to them having a knife.

They approached him and searched him for weapons and found a folding knife with a three-inch blade, which that's nothing.

That's a little pocket knife.

People clean their fingernails with those things in their pockets.

That's a toe knife, right there.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly what Danny DeVito would say.

And a 10-inch kitchen knife.

Not a 10-inch whole thing, 10-inch blade on a butcher knife.

Boy.

Big old butcher knife he's got on him, too.

Who brings a 10-inch butcher knife to a bar?

Yeah, that stays in the block.

Yeah.

Like, I don't like how they cut the lime sometimes.

I'm going to do it myself.

That's a block knife.

Yeah.

That's like the top block, too.

It's up there.

It's a big one.

It's right next to the the sharpener, up top.

Yeah, that's a big one up there, yeah.

So there was that.

They put him in the back of a squad car.

However, no one at the bar wanted to press charges.

They were like, just tell him not to come back in here.

They didn't want to deal with all that.

Just trespass him.

It's easier.

You know what I mean?

So they said he was severely intoxicated.

They were going to let him go, but they said he was so shit-faced, they didn't think they couldn't just release him into the street.

Basically, he's too shit-faced to care for himself.

So they put a hold on him and take him to a detox, drunk tank.

He got drunk tanked here.

When the officers attempted to transfer him to another squad car,

he somehow slipped out of his handcuffs and ran from the officers.

A little slippery guy.

What the fuck is that?

He's not even little.

He's like six feet tall.

How do you slip out of handcuffs and run away?

I've never heard of that.

I've never seen anybody get handcuffs put on that didn't complain about how tight you were.

How tight they were.

Yep.

And they're like, don't worry, we'll double lock them so they won't get tighter, but they don't get looser.

That's insane.

So he somehow, this is like a silly movie now.

Like, they open the door to get him out, and he just bursts out of his cuffs and runs away.

And they chase after him with the Benny Hill music playing in the background.

And so he did that.

An officer was the first to catch, one of the officers caught up with him.

He grabbed him by the waist and attempted to tackle him to the ground.

Didn't work, though.

Guy wouldn't go down.

Jesus, man, he's squirrely.

And so Alexis resisted the officer while the and so the officer used a leg sweep to take him to the ground.

Yeah.

And then he was taken back to the squad cars.

When they attempted to put him back in the squad car again, he started fighting the officers again, and they had to like wrestle him to the ground and throw him in the squad car.

So he's a handful.

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He is told, by the way, the responding, a witness told the responding officers that he, quote, often carries a machete with him also.

So look for that.

Nice.

And that's interesting.

And so, yeah.

2019, he apparently started smoking weed, which this guy could use some weed.

If anyone on earth, if anyone on earth could use a demotivator, it's this guy.

You know what I'm saying?

It's interesting that he started now, though.

He said it was to

combat his chronic headaches and neck and back pain from the car accident.

That's why he started doing it.

And like I said, if anyone could use something that'll make him go, should I get up and go stab that person?

Nah, I'm just going to see what's on.

Nah, fuck it.

I'm going to put Netflix back on.

I got a freezer full of strawberry shortcake ice cream coffee out of nowhere.

Shit.

You know what?

I have so many snacks.

I have Doritos.

This is ridiculous.

I'm staying home.

I have those Hagen-Das ice cream bars with the almonds on them.

Yeah, this is crazy.

I'm staying home.

So instead, yeah, he reported he was smoking two, three times a day.

And then he entered a chemical dependency treatment center in July of 2019.

In less than six months,

he had to, he like was, needed treatment for his weed use and his alcohol use as well.

It feels like anything he does is going to be done extreme.

Extreme.

Yeah, he's extreme.

This guy's extreme.

July of 2019, he went in and then he was discharged in four months.

So he spent four months at this rehab center.

Then November 2020, here he is again.

Okay.

November 9th, 2020 at about 4.35 p.m.

So he's expanding into afternoons now, which is nice.

The city of Shecope officers are dispatched to the Pullman Club in reference to a male smashing car windows with a baseball bat.

Unbelievable.

Not a particular window.

Yeah.

Windows, just car to car.

No particular target,

just wilding out here, just losing it.

Oh, boy.

While they're heading there, Dispatch advises, you know, the suspect's description and all that.

And they say that he's returned.

He left the Pullman Club.

And he's now at his apartment, which is near the Pullman Club.

And now he's not holding...

This is a wild day.

He's not smashing things with a baseball bat anywhere.

He's now holding a gas can out of the window of his apartment.

Nice.

Making threats.

Okay.

Okay.

So they locate him there.

They observe him on the second story where his apartment windows are open.

After some time, they observe him stick his head out of the window, too, finally.

No, he's got his head out.

Okay.

He's upset and yelling.

He didn't just come out and wave.

He's pissed and screaming at them.

He's screaming about hating people in general and particular people he doesn't like.

But then he would calm down for a minute and listen to the cops.

They'd talk to him and he'd talk back and then he would just start freaking out again.

Out of nowhere.

They said a short time after establishing contact, he angrily disappeared from view.

So in other words, fuck you guys, and then went back in the window.

Then came back a short time later, again, with a red plastic gas container, you know, that you have in your car there.

Yeah, the jerry can.

And poured a small amount out of the, like, out of it onto the ground outside the window.

Yeah.

So the officers could smell it and they said, oh, shit, it's diesel fuel.

I can smell that.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that shit burns.

For a while, yeah.

Yeah.

They said he would put the container down, then pick it back up again.

At one point, he pops out with a lighter and the gas can now.

Yeah.

He's upping the ante

and held the lit lighter above the gas can, threatening to hurt anyone who came into the apartment.

I'll blow us all up, he's saying.

He said, if anyone came in their apartment, he's not going down without a fight.

And he tells them, okay.

They said he'd be, then he would calm down.

He'd listen for a couple minutes, you know, then see other officers and be like, Hey, you guys are fucking, I hate you, motherfuckers.

You're trying to sneak up on me.

I see you guys there.

Like, they're just going to leave one guy to deal with him when he's got a gas can and threatening to murder people.

So he said that he only drank one shot of alcohol today, but said he was angry because in that one shot, someone had, quote, put shit into his drink.

Actual shit?

Of course not.

No, no, no.

Mind control drugs.

Yeah.

That's what crazy people think all the time.

So now 4.51 p.m.

This has only been 15 minutes and all this crazy shit's going on.

4.35 was the call to go to the bar about the window smashing.

Yeah.

4.51, he agrees to come out onto the deck to speak with the cops.

Great.

He entered the inside of the restaurant, the restaurant, the residence.

walked down half the stairs, opening the doorway to the deck.

The officers observe at this time he's holding a large machete

standing in the threshold of the doorway to the deck, which isn't the most welcoming way to invite people in.

It is it is

drawing a line in the sand, I believe.

Yeah, but it's certainly much more comforting that this guy can't get a hold of guns.

That's a fact.

Yeah.

He likes swing-em weapons.

He likes, oh yeah, yeah, they're more personal.

I feel like he likes to get close.

Yeah.

He likes to be close to you so he can whisper shit.

He likes to whisper crazy nothings in your ear as you fear for your life, I feel like.

So he's standing there welcoming them in with a machete.

Some time goes by.

Obviously, they're not walking right up to that.

So at about 5.04 p.m., the officers are able to convince him to drop the machete out of the window.

Nice.

So he threw it on the ground next to the vehicle, which was parked directly underneath his windows.

Then they began to, the officers start to stack up on the stairway to the second story.

so they're like getting in position to raid him up there he was able to see out of the window though alexis is okay and into the stairwell window and got real pissed

that they're trying to sneak up on him now stop being so sneaky yep according to the police report quote he became uncooperative and the successful dialogue was lost that's one way to put it

he then held a lighter up and returned to the interior of the apartment and closed all the windows.

Okay.

He's like, I got a lighter.

Closed all the windows.

They're like, oh, shit.

The cops are screaming at him.

There's people inside.

We don't want anybody to get hurt.

And he just continued to yell over them and say, I hate you.

Fuck you people.

I can't trust you.

At 5.07 p.m.,

I can't believe it's been 32 minutes since they got a phone call.

Pretty amazing.

Officers then observe the flicker of the fire near the front door of his apartment.

He He has set his apartment on fire now.

Oh my God.

He came back to the window now with a bat, with a baseball bat.

Sure.

Why not, right?

So

cops are watching the fire increase inside.

He then goes, turns off all the kitchen lights and appears to throw more shit on the fire.

Really?

Yeah, you got to stoke it, you know, get it better here.

He then began screaming at the top of his lungs to go outside, which he yelled several times.

He then returned to the windows

to yell at them and then closed all the windows again.

At that point, the officers evacuate all the other residents from the apartment building because it's on fire and all.

It is.

So the cops, they get out the less lethal shit here, bean bags and such, and

they break the window on the northwest side so the fire...

men could shoot water into the apartment to try to contain it.

He then returned to the window and continued screaming and pointing.

So the cops observed white smoke initially start flowing out of the window, which quickly turned heavy black smoke.

I'm sure he's not throwing

normally flammable items on there.

He's throwing like fucking couch cushions and shit on there.

It's getting weird.

Yeah, yeah.

Ugly shit.

Yeah.

Strange, just like He-Man figures and stuff.

He's just throwing like plastic things.

I'm sure it was dildos.

Yeah.

So,

okay, so he's screaming and pointing, turns heavy black smoke.

Then he had the bat again and began beating the windowsill in the side of the building.

The smoke increased a lot, so he began throwing tree bags out of the apartment.

I don't know what a tree bag is.

They said tree bag.

Is it a bag?

Like

leaves, maybe?

Maybe that?

The leaf bag.

There's a lot of tree bags, aren't there?

There's all kinds of different, right?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Apparently they're heavy, though, because they're landing on a parked vehicle vehicle below him and cracking the windshield and denting the hood from the second story.

So these have to be heavy.

Heavy bag.

Due to the only apartment entrance being blocked by heavy fire,

Alexis then becomes overcome by smoke.

So they finally convince him to jump out of the window.

Wow.

So then he jumps out of the window and landed on the hood of a vehicle below him.

Nice.

And then stood up.

And do you think he's like, okay, guys, no, he's not done.

Yeah, you think he's done now?

He's not hurt.

He's not done.

Fuck no.

Crazy people don't get hurt.

That's the thing.

They just don't get hurt.

So

if he was this crazy when he got in that car accident, he wouldn't have had the traumatic brain injury.

He would have got out and been fine.

You're making great points.

They would have caught him at a diner, like eating some hash browns.

That's what that's like an hour later.

So he jumps off onto the hood.

Then he stands up and goes toward the wall where the officers are attempting to place him under arrest.

He's He's uncooperative, pulling his arms away and resisting.

And then more cops come over and they finally tackle him to the ground and take him into custody while firemen put out the building.

A blaze.

What is now a massive blaze?

Yes.

This is crazy.

So he's charged with arson, first degree, in a dwelling, two counts of that.

He's got damage to property, first degree, obstructing a legal process, interfering with a police officer, all sorts of fun charges.

That's one of the the craziest days a human being's ever had right there.

Pretty wild day.

And that's not the craziest day he's going to have.

We're going to get to the craziest day.

He's hospitalized in May of 2020, by the way, because

he believes that there is a camera in his head.

And not looking out like taking

POV shots.

It's in his head recording and taking pictures of what is inside his head.

You know, the wheels and knobs and whatever's inside your watch, that.

Belts and such, you know.

He said also that everyone can hear what he's thinking.

Nice.

And that makes him upset that he can't even have a thought without everyone hearing it.

He's the opposite of Mel Gibson.

Yes.

Yeah.

What a girl wants.

What women want.

This is what Alexis Thinks.

That's the name of this movie.

It's a crazy movie, though.

He also is diagnosed with various mental health disorders, which we'll get into a little more detail, including manic psychosis and delusional disorder, among others.

Those are not good.

When delusional and psychosis make their way into your diagnosis, bad.

Yeah.

That's two ways of saying one thing and then another more severe thing.

And then it gets worse is what that is.

I'm fucked up.

And then it gets worse.

Yeah.

So they talked to America, and she reported that Alexis began experiencing auditory hallucinations and paranoid delusions after the car accident in 2017.

Medical records show a, what's called in a psychiatric report, a bizarre,

a report of bizarre delusions during an emergency department visit to St.

Francis Hospital as early as March 2013 before the car accident.

In May 2020, he was hospitalized at Unity Hospital.

He reported a number of delusions, including having a GPS tracking device in his head

and some type of chip or camera in his head as well.

That didn't come until after.

He said they implanted that in his brain when they were helping him when he was in a coma after the car accident.

Everyone can hear what he's thinking.

He said that he was raped by medical professionals while he was in a coma repeatedly.

Repeatedly.

And that's not the worst thing they did to him, him, by the way.

They also removed his eyes.

Not permanently, just so they could get more easily to his brain to implant microchips.

They took his eyes out to get to his brain to implant.

Okay, so we're following this?

All right.

This person exists, man.

This is fucking terrible.

And he was walking the streets.

After starting the fire, the arson there, he was reported to have, quote, racing thoughts and hearing voices leading to him barricading himself in the burning apartment and also telling him to jump out the window.

But those voices may have been the dozens of police officers imploring him to do that, to do the same.

So

interventions in the past diagnosis include: okay, here's all his diagnosis.

Diagnosises, unspecified depressive disorder, unspecified schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorder, schizophrenia versus

schizoaffective disorder, manic psychosis and delusional disorder.

They were working with him and observed, the professionals working with him have observed symptoms of mania in conjunction with psychosis.

He's been prescribed a number of neuroleptic medications,

though he has a significant history of never taking his medicine.

Awesome.

By 2021, he and America are living in a travel lodge motel.

They are still together.

Yep.

Well, she's working two jobs and his main job is just being crazy, basically.

So 2021 here,

they show that after the arson thing, he was ordered, conditionally released and posted a $75,000 bond after his arrest, even though the mental competency evaluation had been ordered and his defense attorney had planned to submit that he was mentally ill and he needs to be put away.

But instead, they released him.

Then in 2021,

March 31st, that conditional release was revoked because he failed a urinalysis, which came back positive for alcohol, which violated the conditions of his release.

Yep, don't do that.

With the revocation order, a box was checked that said continued release of defendant will endanger the safety of any person or the community.

Not even a single, but anybody he comes across is in danger.

Okay.

Okay.

Despite the warning, he was again ordered conditionally released

on April 1st, 2021, by a judge named Richard C.

Perkins, Dick, an appropriate name for him,

after paying an additional amount in bail.

Okay, normally bail is so people don't want that to get revoked, so they come back.

When you're insane,

an extra 50 grand doesn't mean much to you.

No.

You don't care when you think there's microchips behind your eyes.

Money is that's just of this world.

It doesn't matter.

It's a nebulous concept when you got all that other shit going on.

Yeah.

So June of 2021, America is scared.

And I'm not talking the woman.

I'm talking the entire nation.

Part of America.

330 million people are terrified of this asshole.

So,

no, but America, the woman, is upset here.

And Faith, a woman named Faith Howie, who's a friend and neighbor of America, recalled that Thayer came back, came to her apartment one night in June looking for help.

She said, quote, she came around 1.32 in the morning and knocked.

She goes, can I sleep here tonight?

I'm afraid he's going to get up and start in again.

Being crazy.

So July 2021, getting wackier, if that's possible.

In a text here during July, America noted that Alexis, whoo, she texts to her friend that Alexis was talking to the voices in his ears now.

Oh, no.

Now he's not just hearing voices, he's talking back to them.

He's responding.

That's when it's gone.

Yeah.

You're in a lot of trouble.

That's when it's gone.

Yeah.

That's one of those things like when you talk to yourself, does anybody talk back?

No, okay, that's good.

You know, when you hear voices, do you speak back to them?

Is there a conversation happening?

That's not good.

And others knew that Alexis had discussed with many people his heightened symptoms during this month.

Also,

there were concerns about his mental stability from the court and the possible threat that he posed to the community, but that didn't matter really.

Statements at this point point out a heightened level of paranoia, and

everybody said that he started to get really crazier and crazier as July progresses.

July 28th, 2021, he is due back in court for his arson charge.

At this point, at 2 p.m.,

people see America with Alexis

in her Chrysler 300

with him driving at about 2 p.m.

at Shekopees Memorial Park.

Then there's a 911 call a little while later, not from the park, but from a street

right in downtown little town here.

The 911 caller says, quote,

he just pulled a body out of his car.

Who did?

And it has no head.

Oh, what?

I don't know what is going on.

I don't know where to go.

All of this.

That's a 911 call.

Someone freaking out.

Okay.

This person called 911.

And other people called, too.

One person said he was with America and Alexis at Memorial Park at around 2.15 that day.

He said that America was trying to convince Alexis to go to his court date so there's no warrant issued for him.

America got upset with Alexis that he's going to get in trouble for something stupid.

Just go to court.

He said, though, everything seemed fine between the two of them at that point.

He also said that Alexis carries a machete with him wherever he goes.

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person

observing a male throwing a headless body out of a car in the middle of an intersection.

This isn't even pulled over to the curb.

This dude stopped

in the middle of an intersection.

Yeah.

He's got surrounded by four crosswalks.

This dude decided to pull a headless body out of the car.

The officers arrive at the scene and observe a female naked from the west up, lying or the waist up, lying with her feet toward the curb and her shoulders near an open car door.

She was completely decapitated, and her head was lying about a foot away from her body.

Oh my God.

There were large amounts of blood on the ground and on the passenger side of the vehicle.

They find out from the witnesses that

while this was going on, he was also beating her with a dumbbell as well.

He's hitting a headless body now?

Before the head came off, apparently.

And then after, too, which is beating the body with a dumbbell.

So

the victim is America, unfortunately.

It's her car.

The intersection is 4th Avenue and Spencer Street here.

The car was facing southbound on Spencer Street.

Officers identify some witnesses here.

One witness said he was driving westbound on 4th Avenue and stopped at the intersection with Spencer Street, saw a dark-colored vehicle stop heading southbound, saw the driver of the vehicle by the passenger side swinging an object in the air and bringing it down repeatedly.

He said it looked like a police baton.

That's a dumbbell.

Okay.

Oh, oh, that's a just the centerpiece of it?

Oh, my God.

Beating her.

So then he said he continued on 4th Avenue and returned southbound on Spencer where he saw a body lying on the ground.

Another witness said she was driving southbound on Spencer Street.

There was a vehicle several cars in front of her that she thought maybe was having mechanical issues.

His fucking brain is having mechanical issues.

Yeah, sure is.

A vehicle in front of her drove around the stopped vehicle and then made another U-turn.

This witness could then see the driver of the stopped vehicle standing by the passenger side, making a hitting motion.

The driver then threw an unknown object into a yard, then dragged something out of the car that looked like a body.

He then grabbed an object, which they realized at that point was a human head with blonde hair,

holds it up by the hair,

and said that the driver left, dropped the head, and started walking eastbound.

Okay.

So

someone nearby

looked through their window and recorded a video on their phone of this, by the way.

Their video exists

of this whole thing.

Of him holding a head by the hair?

Yes.

Yeah.

It captured the end part of this murder.

It was taken from insider residence.

And in the video, you can see him pulling her body out of the vehicle, picking up the head and moving it away from the body.

At the end of the video, you can see Alexis reaching into the back seat of the vehicle.

I don't like this at all.

No.

In the video, something red can be seen under his pants, such as boxers or shorts.

Like he's got, you know, basketball shorts on or something.

So, witnesses said they saw a man standing outside the open passenger door, striking the victim with a hand weight.

They said they saw the man chopping at the front passenger seat with a large knife and then pulling a decapitated body and severed head out of the vehicle.

And one witness said they drove by again and saw a body and a severed head on the ground outside the vehicle.

Alexis just walks away, takes off.

Peace is out.

I'm out.

So they search for him all over the place.

In the grass a few feet from the scene, they do locate an empty black sheath for a machete.

Now, in an alley about a block and a half from the crime scene, they also find a white t-shirt, white shoes, and a knife all in a recycling bin.

The white shoes and white shirt have blood all over them, by the way.

They're stinked, yeah.

They're ruined.

They're destroyed.

Now,

some of the officers at the scene, since it's a small town, they know America and Alexis.

They've dealt with this before, absolutely.

So they know who they're looking for.

They're like, we're looking for Alexis.

They saw her.

As soon as they saw the blonde hair on the, they said, Alexis is who we're looking for here.

So they observe him in the area of the Shenandoah Parkway and Highway 101.

They find him and they see him.

Officers Officers are waiting for backup and they're keeping an eye on him.

Alexis notices them watching him,

which we know how much he hates that.

He hates it.

It's interesting how he is so good and so

astute, aware, yet so not aware.

Well, I mean, he's like an animal.

Like he has like a...

a sense like you know he can like smell shit coming or something he's got a it's crazy man so

yeah it's he knows when it's coming and

he certainly doesn't want you watching him.

You can already hear his thoughts.

So he's pissed off about that.

So

he then, I guess, appears to notice them watching him.

And then he changed course and walked north into the Murphy's Landing parking lot.

So they approach him and they take him into custody.

Okay.

The red thing under his shorts was, under, under his pants was shorts, and he's wearing a black hoodie.

So they bring him in.

They sit him down.

This is going to be a fun conversation.

Sure is.

They said he demonstrated significant symptoms of psychosis

evidenced by disorganized thought processes, paranoia, and bizarre delusions.

He said they'd been dating for several years.

He said they were together earlier in the day at the park and were planning to go together to the court appearance he had that day.

On the way to court, he says she told me she wanted to break up with me all of a sudden.

Oh.

Which

I don't even think that happened, by the way.

Even if she did.

Even if she did.

Who cares you got to keep her head on her body that's insane he said that that yeah he said that um

on the way that she wanted to she said she wanted to get rid of him and end the relationship with him so he said he used a knife to kill her because she had quote gone too far in her abuse of him okay

wow uh because and they said well how'd she do that and he said well her comments about ending the relationship clearly that's that's abuse officer wow um

so they said for a while he'd be clear and coherent in his answers, and then he would just devolve into

confused and disorganized statements on multiple occasions because they have an interpreter there.

He speaks English, but they have an interpreter just to, you know, you kind of have to do that.

Otherwise, later he can say he didn't understand something, or it makes it all legal and fair.

So the interpreter indicated that he did not make sense or was simply...

simply not understandable in his native language.

So he would say something and the interpreter would go, I don't think that was Spanish.

I don't know what to tell you.

Like,

I didn't get it.

I don't know what he's talking about.

So he needs an interpreter just for him and his crazy thoughts.

Oh, boy.

They said his thought processes were circumstantial and

tangential, and he perservated on his paranoid and delusional thoughts throughout the interview.

He repeatedly claimed that America had raped him.

Huh?

Or

the country?

The Hulk.

No, just her.

Or not only raped him, possibly induced other people to rape him.

Oh.

She also poisons his food, puts semen in his food.

I don't know where she got that from.

It's poison.

Poisoned semen from somewhere.

All semen's poison as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know how she produced this semen, but apparently she got it from somewhere.

Planted cameras in his body, multiple cameras,

and is always trying to kill him.

That's why he did it, obviously.

Yeah.

He also believed that America had hurt him, tried to kill him in the past, believed that she intended to do him harm.

He told detectives that she wanted to get rid of him, and

he said she said she wanted to get rid of him while making a cutting motion like that.

Oh, like she was

going to kill me.

When one of the detectives asked if he killed America because of the things she's done to to him, he cried and provided responses that the interpreter couldn't figure out.

So your guess is as good as mine what language it was.

He

subsequently stated that he wanted to, quote, get everything she put in my body out.

But anyway, this is not going to happen again.

My heart is not good anymore.

I just want to stop suffering every day.

America was telling me that she was going to kill me.

I never thought this was going to be this way.

Everyone thought of her as if she was an angel, but she was pure devil.

Okay.

Pure devil.

Yeah, she's a monster.

So a psychiatrist talks about the interrogation, a doctor love it, and reviewed it.

And

during the three-hour interview, you noticed that even the interpreter didn't know what the hell was going on half the time.

His thoughts would devolve, all that kind of shit.

So at his first court appearance, he asked the judge if he could just be deported to avoid standing trial.

Can you just send me back to Cuba?

And they said, no, we can't.

You got some business to take care of here first, I would think.

We're going to have our way with you first.

Please just send me back.

I won't do it here ever again.

Wow.

Sets his bail at $2.5 million, which

he does not have living at the travel lodge.

And then his bail is raised later in the week to $4 million.

Oh.

So good luck.

Just more.

He remained calm and cooperative throughout this.

And,

you know, they said for the next several weeks, he also, he'd be calm and cooperative.

And then he would demonstrate significant psychosis for weeks as well.

In jail, he suspected his food was tainted, so he would rinse it with water in his cell.

Rinse all his food off.

For several weeks, he severely limited food intake, leading to a hospitalization.

He thought it was all poison.

He was started on Abilify, a medicine, and then returned to jail.

Upon return, he remained paranoid of his food being poisoned.

He complained of depression, auditory hallucinations, and all this type of shit.

Now, the fucked up thing is the person who took the video not only gave it to the cops for evidence, but posted it on fucking social media right after they took it.

Really?

So this is absolutely out there.

You can.

find it.

It's horrifying.

Trust me.

So the cops said, we were aware that a bystander took a video of the incident.

We have that video, but it's deeply disturbing that this person's first instinct was to post it on social media.

Two days after the murder, a woman here called to report that her dog found a knife in the garden near the intersection of Spencer Street and 4th Avenue.

They respond to the area and observe a black handle knife sticking up from the ground concealed in a bush.

The knife was almost entirely concealed and difficult to see.

He threw it and it went in the dirt, like a jart.

It went right in the fucking dirt.

The knife was a black machete with a partially serrated edge, like my Jungle Master that I have.

The blade was covered in blood, and there appeared to be strands of blonde hair on the blade here.

Knife appeared to fit the sheath found at the crime scene as well.

So there you go.

Now,

her friends are...

overwhelmed with grief here.

Everybody loved America here.

One friend who worked with her said, I went there today and I went to the store and I got her a rose and a teddy bear to put on her desk.

When I got there, I didn't even look at any of my other coworkers.

I just stood at her desk with my head down.

Everyone was crying.

It was a very emotional day and it still is.

I've worked in plenty of offices and if somebody died, no one would give a fuck.

They'd be like, good, we're rid of Frank.

So if everyone's crying, she was a nice person.

Yeah.

Now, he talks to the shrinks.

He denied hearing voices on the day of the murder.

He reported going to lunch with her, talking about the arson case.

He says, Look, I wasn't even upset.

It was an accident.

What?

Her head came off by.

Listen to this explanation.

All right.

Jimmy, let's do a little

small-town murder piece theater 3000 here.

Fantastic.

Do me a favor.

Yeah.

You be a psychiatrist

and ask me how her head came off.

Or, in your own words.

Alexis, I understand this was an accident yes yes it was

see how how did

see see

how did how did uh how did that accident happen well you see

we were in the car on the way to court see because I was going to show up in court like a good guy you know what I mean that's what you do problem is there's the air conditioning vent was fucked up it got stuck in this one position right

so I tried to fix the air conditioning vent while I was driving with my machete.

With a machete.

As one does.

A fine tool for such a small thing.

It is.

The problem is the machete got caught in the vent grill.

Couldn't get it out.

So the two of them, he said, I need help.

You grab it too.

So the two of them together tried to pull it out.

Somehow the blade came loose.

It popped out all at once.

I'm not shitting you.

This is what he said.

This is what he said.

It popped out all at once.

And the strength of them pulling, normally he'd fall down backwards.

Well, the strength of them pulling, the machete came straight back and cut her head off.

Oh, I see.

In one motion.

All right.

Pop.

And then shoop.

Oh, my God.

Her head fell off.

Yeah, I've done it myself.

Who hasn't done that?

I see how it happened.

He recalled pulling her from the car, then standing there for a few minutes.

Then he heard voices saying, quote, go for a walk.

So he took his backpack from the back seat and went for a walk.

He said that he knew it was wrong to kill another person at the time.

He described it as an accident and that he didn't intend to kill her.

He said he denied animosity between the two of them, just as he did in the beginning.

He claimed he only removed his bloody shirt and her bloody shirt as well because they were stained.

You get a wash, though.

Why would you keep them?

They're really.

The stain's going to set.

Haven't you seen a tide commercial?

Once she gets her head back on, she's not going to want this shirt.

She's going to be so mad.

Wow.

He also admitted that he purchased the machete at a pawn shop a month or two before because he had problems.

Okay.

He said that he wanted to defend himself against a guy who abused him.

That's why he bought it.

Whoa.

When the doctor informed him that the residents at the hotel where he lived had reported that he was going to use the machete to cut his wife's head off because he had screamed that at her repeatedly on multiple occasions, he responded that he never talked to anyone in the hotel and that the machete was in the car, not in the room.

So that's irrelevant.

When asked about the allegations he made to the police about America abusing him, he said, yeah, fuck yeah, she did.

She injected someone into my head, not something.

She put someone in there.

Yeah, remember Inner Space when they made Dennis Quaid tiny?

Yeah.

That's it.

Yeah.

Injected him in there.

Injected it.

And in his head, and then paid someone to put something in his drink and rape him.

You know, the Dollar Tree.

She's got tons of money to pay people to rape him.

He then claimed that these were old arguments and he didn't kill her because of those things.

When asked if he was experiencing any mental health symptoms at the time of the offense, he said, here it is, everybody.

Quote, no, I don't know.

Maybe, yes, I think so.

That's every answer you could give.

No, I don't know.

Maybe, yes, and I think so.

They go pick pick one of those, but that's what he said.

He said, the thing is that an accident can happen to anyone.

Mental health has nothing to do with accidents.

The voices were telling me at the time to help her and help myself.

Wow.

This is wild.

He said, I wanted to kill myself that day from the thought of how it happened.

I don't know what to do.

I never had the courage to hurt someone.

Right.

So, yeah.

This is wild, obviously.

So his symptoms are a mess.

They said he noticeably improved after began regularly taking antipsychotic medications.

Oh, that's good.

Trial gets delayed because he gets COVID in 2022.

2023 waives his rights to a jury trial, and the judge is going to decide.

Because it's a crazy thing here.

So

the verdict comes in.

His attorney claimed mental health issues throughout the whole thing, but the judge listing the evidence that he made deliberate decisions the day of the attack.

They said he used both an eight-pound dumbbell and a machete during his assault.

His decision to put down the dumbbell and use the machete is evidence of deliberate mental thought process.

Guilty of first-degree murder.

Okay.

July 2012, the defense puts a motion, or 2023, it's July 12th, 2023.

I fucked that up.

The defense says he should be found not guilty by reason of mental illness because the psychologists, both court-appointed and state-issued, determined that his mental illness prevented him from understanding his actions were morally wrong.

Also, that he had bizarre delusions, and you name it.

Yeah.

No.

So now we go to part two of the trial here, which would be to determine his sanity for sentencing or whatever.

So they said that both doctors said he was suffering from mental illness to the extent that it prevented him from understanding the moral wrongness of his actions during the offense.

They believed that based on statements that the defendant provided detectives on the day of the offenses, his reasons for engaging in the defenses were motivated by paranoid delusions that his wife was trying to get rid of him and kill him and had been poisoning and implanting items in his body.

The state says they argue that he's faking his mental illness.

He's feigning this.

That's a little much of a stretch.

I think he's genuinely crazy, but he also is very aware of some things.

Oh, yeah.

Well, the doctors all said that he's not sophisticated, that he's not sophisticated enough to fake symptoms of mental illness for years of time and keep them exactly where they would be.

He's not a doctor to know that shit.

And they also said he has psychotic episodes, been characterized by agitation, pressured speech, insomnia, disorganized thinking, auditory hallucinations, entrenched paranoid, somatic, and or bizarre delusions.

Not good.

State says, no, he's fine.

He's fine.

You're good.

He's all right.

He's okay.

They say, we think he's malingering.

They're like, yeah, they don't think he's malingering.

He almost starved himself to death in jail.

He's crazy.

The judge found, quote, no deficit in the experts' review of the records or the soundness of their analysis and considered his medical history before announcing a verdict that his symptoms of mania in conjunction with psychosis and he was suffering from mental illness to the extent that it prevented him from understanding the wrongness of his actions.

He is found not guilty by reason of mental illness.

Really?

Now, that doesn't mean they

put him outside here.

He is now, will be transferred to a psychiatric care facility.

Right.

Fucking psych prison here.

Yeah.

So, yeah, he's going to be sent there, and he's not guilty of murder, though, by a sane person.

America's son, Charles, said it's tough to understand how somebody can commit cold-blooded murder, plan to do it, tell everyone they're going to do it, have a motive to do it, then somehow be considered insane, which is fair.

That's fair.

He said, I just don't know what world or society we're living in anymore.

I just want this to be over with for myself and my family.

He said he wouldn't look at the picture of my mother when I did my victim impact.

He didn't make eye contact at all.

He's obviously very ashamed of what he did.

He killed the only person in the world that cared about this guy.

He said, this is your typical telltale abusive man controlling relationship for many, many years.

I cannot tell you how many times the cops were called for him beating the crap out of her and leaving her bloody.

So he also says, the words being said that he's not guilty, you know, I get it.

He's not going to walk out of jail today and he'll probably be in a hospital for maybe forever, a really long time.

But hearing the words not guilty to murdering my mother is really hard for me to understand.

And so the state said they're going to try to keep him there, obviously, for as many years as humanly possible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he's not going to be the first guy they let out.

I don't think he'll be down on the list.

Well, he's staying for quite a while.

He's staying for a peak.

I think he's very, very aware of what he did.

And

I think he has problems, but I think that he reacted to those problems terribly.

Yeah, but like literally, like delusions are the only thing that make you crazy in the eyes of the law.

And he fucking had them for sure.

Yeah.

For sure.

To me, whether he's in an institution or in a prison, it really doesn't fucking matter.

Either way, except for the fact as long as they don't let him out in fucking four years and go, he's all fixed now.

Ask him if I want a burrito or a bowl at Chipotle.

That's right.

They keep him there for 50 years.

Yeah.

I don't give a shit then.

Great.

Keep him there or either way.

No, no, no, but he's nuts, obviously.

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