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This week, in Wakefield, Massachusetts, two people are shockingly murdered, leading detectives down a rabbit hole of enemies, business associates, and possible mafia connections before settling on a much more personal motive for the killings.

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We are going to Wakefield, Massachusetts this week.

And do you know where Wakefield is?

Have you been through that?

I've heard of it, but I don't know where it is.

It is right outside Boston.

Yeah.

Right outside.

It's eastern Massachusetts.

15 minutes outside.

It's over there?

Yeah, it's only 15 minutes outside Boston.

So it's...

Oh, so it's like in the Cape then.

It's like an inner ring suburb, basically.

Oh, over there.

Yeah.

No, it's in the water.

It's over

off the Atlantic.

You thought it was northwest.

There's an area of

north.

Yeah.

It's in the water.

This is like northwest of Boston, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

About 15 minutes to Boston.

About an hour and 45 to Chicopee, Massachusetts, which was our last Massachusetts episode.

Episode 560, Solving a Murder Puzzle, which was a real weird episode.

I remember that.

Massachusetts, again, always twisty.

Always twisty episodes in Massachusetts.

They always have like weird mysteries and conspiracies.

It's interesting.

This is in Middlesex County, Area Code 339.

And also, this has a weird parallel to the Karen Reed trials that have been going on.

That's the other, we'll talk about that later, but it's a strange parallel to this.

So nothing to do with cars or anything like that, but a strange parallel nonetheless.

So the history of this town, it was first settled in 1638.

So been around for a bit.

Yeah.

You know, almost 400 years here.

I mean, this is where the fucking people landed.

They started there.

So it was known as Lynn Village originally, L-Y-N-N.

Then it officially separated from Lynn and incorporated as Redding in 1644.

Oh.

Then it was South Reading for a while.

Okay.

And then the Rattan Works, which made Rattan wicker furniture.

You know that shit your grandmother had?

Yeah.

Fucking creaks when you sit in it.

That stuff.

That's good.

They made that.

It was established.

The Rattan Works was established in in 1856 by a guy named cyrus wakefield and that became the wakefield rattan company and it had a thousand employees at one time uh cyrus wakefield donated land and money for a new town hall so they changed the name of the town from south reading to wakefield

that's pretty nice

he's like listen i'll give you the cash but I'm gonna have to do a little advertising.

In 2000, there was a shooting spree where seven workers at Edgewater Technology in Wakefield, Massachusetts were shot and killed by an employee.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

He was a 42-year-old and was an application supporter at Edgewater Technology.

And during his trial, this guy claimed that he was born without a soul and that God had allowed him to earn a soul by traveling back in time to kill Nazis.

What?

That's what he said in court.

And the prosecution said, actually, it's a lot more simple.

His employer garnished his wages for the IRS, and he was pissed off about it, so he shot a bunch of people.

I am a time traveler now.

Because, yeah, he's a soulless Nazi-killing time traveler, or he's a little pissed off at the IRS.

Either way.

That's what happens when you take people's money and they don't want you to.

He was found guilty of seven counts of first-degree murder.

So

seven fucking people?

He killed seven people.

Oh, my God.

That's why it's the massacre, the Wakefield Massacre.

Reviews of this town quickly here.

Here's three stars.

Wakefield certainly has some things going for it, but it isn't perfect.

This person's going to break it down in pros and cons, so I figured I'd let them have the floor here.

Pros, it is generally a safe town with decent schools.

Okay.

Lake, what is that?

Kwanapowit?

I guess.

Lake Kwanapowit

is right in town, so there's great opportunities to get out in the fresh air.

There's good public transit right in town with bus service and access to commuter rail, which is good if you work in Boston.

Walkable downtown, close to Breakheart Reservation.

Okay, cons.

Very expensive along with many other towns in the area.

Yeah, it's in the Boston suburbs.

It's expensive because the city's even more expensive.

Because it's Boston, man.

Yeah.

It's a beautiful place.

Nightlife isn't great.

Well, you're 15 minutes from where nightlife is fine.

You're 15 minutes from Boston.

What are you doing?

Just go there.

Go out.

There's many mom and pop shops that are usually closed on weekends.

Roads are in overall rough shape, as in everywhere on the East Coast because of the

snow does.

Snow and plows and freezing and not freezing.

People in this town, 27,041.

So not a giant town, pretty small for right outside Boston like that.

It is almost exactly 50-50 men and women, by the way.

Women are 50.1.

Men are 49.9.

Age is a few years older than the usual.

It's about 43.8 is the median age here.

Family,

it's more married people than usual.

It's very expensive.

So this is a families move here when they have enough money, basically, and they're, you know, they want to get a yard.

So 56.6% married, lower divorce rate, low

people that are single with children.

That's low as well.

Race in this town, 91.6% white.

Pretty white.

1.1% black,

2% Asian, and 3.9% Hispanic.

So

a lot of Irish people here, I would assume.

There's going to be plenty of

O'Connors and things like that going on.

But no O'Duels.

No O'Duels.

No, not an O'Duels to be bought in town, that's for sure.

Almost 63% are religious, which is much higher than the usual.

And no surprise here, 50.1% are Catholic in this town.

As we know, Catholics are the Baptists of the North, as we're we know that.

1.9% Jewish.

Oh, my goodness.

Amazing.

We have to sing our song.

Here we go.

Nagila.

Nagila.

Nagila.

Nagilakil.

I don't know the words.

Hey.

Hey.

There we go.

All right.

We did that.

That's always fun.

Just like the Zambonis coming out.

You know what I mean?

Good stuff.

So good.

Low on.

I want to drive one of those one day.

Everybody does.

That's a common thing.

People win.

I know.

Yeah.

But I never win.

I never win anything.

Go to some minor league hockey game.

I got to find it.

We have a giant podcast.

Go to some minor league hockey game and say, I'm Jimmy.

I have a giant podcast.

I'd like to drive your fucking Zamboni.

And they'll let you.

They will.

They'll totally let you do it.

Yeah, well, I got to find one.

I don't know where the minor league hockey is out there.

I don't know where any hockey is played anymore.

No.

Yeah.

I don't know either.

They used to have a team.

There's a low unemployment rate here.

Median household income here is high.

Normally it's about $69,000 in the rest of the country.

Here it is $110,372.

Jesus.

High.

And you need it too because cost of living, $100 is regular.

Average here, it's $145,000.

So

buckle in for that.

The housing is the one that's going to make you pucker a bit here.

Median home cost cost $645,500.

Ouch.

That's how you keep people busy.

That stings.

So, yeah, you got to be busy.

You got to be working, getting all sorts of paychecks to pay those mortgages.

Your OnlyFans and your lump-boeing lawns, your Uber Eats, and every other goddamn thing, your DoorDash.

So, if you have been scooping it up and getting ready to move here in the market, we have for you the Wakefield, Massachusetts Real Estate Report.

Average two-bedroom rental here goes for $2,230, which is price.

Wow.

It's about $1,000 over the national average.

Price.

That's absurd.

That is a lot.

Now, here's a house.

This is your average house here.

Three-bedroom, one and a half bath, $1,750 square feet.

And it looks like a house in New England.

It's got the vinyl signing or whatever.

Steve, look at that.

Yeah, the little one-car garage and all that deal.

Decent little house, not terrible.

Small lot, $649,000 for that.

Oh.

Yeah, that is like your basic average little house, $650,000.

Here is one four-bedroom, three-bath, $2,381 square foot.

It's got a detached two-car garage.

It's kind of like

from the sidewalk.

It's got steps leading right up to the house there.

Kind of an old house built in 1920.

Nice house.

939,900 bucks for that, though.

Oh,

my.

2,300 square feet.

It's not a gigantic house.

It's good size, but

and then we have a four-bedroom, five-bath T-bowl for each and every B-hole with one left over for the neighbors there.

4,758 square feet.

Oh, for heaven's sake.

It's a big old house here.

It is on a 0.3-acre lot, so not a big lot.

The lot's like mostly house.

I'm showing you the interior some stuff in it kind of looks like it's from the 90s a little bit yeah kind of it's yeah somebody is somebody sunk all their money into this house and yeah doing it much res renovations this looks like grandma might have died and she had a couple of bucks of this house yeah 1 million 399 900 bucks for that 1.4 million dollars which is a bit pricey yeah i'm gonna say i mean it's kind of an unassuming house it looks nice but i would want like property or something if i'm gonna you If I was going to pay $1.4 million for any house, I'd want like

something.

There's got to be a formula that you should, if you buy that house, you should have to have X number of dollars because you're going to have to maintain that fucking thing.

Back east, that cost is crazy.

Oh, yeah.

You need a new roof all the time.

You need all sorts of stuff.

And you need to update shit.

I wonder what that number is.

Is it seven?

I don't know.

Who beats it?

You've got to have seven to have a million-dollar house.

I have no idea.

You're asking it.

Yeah, they do.

You can mortgage yourself to the hilt.

You'd be like, so what if I'm dead before I can pay this thing off?

Who gives a shit?

Yeah.

I love when 60-year-olds take out 30-year mortgages, and you're like, You're being awfully optimistic, aren't you?

60-year-olds just bought a brand new $2 million house.

Hey, bank, bad bet.

No wonder why your shit is

making bad bets.

Things to do here: the Festival Italia.

Here we go.

Yeah.

There's my people having a festival.

It's the Festival Italia is a free, fun, family-friendly.

Jesus, it's a lot of apps.

It's a free, fun, family-friendly fucking event.

Let me tell you right now.

Fucking festival.

Fucking festival over here.

What are you talking about?

How did they leave what they said a free, fun, family-friendly and then said event rather than festival, even though it's called the Festival Italia.

Come on, guys.

Too many shots of Amaretto chips.

Jesus Christ, what are we doing over here?

Hey, everybody, put the fucking red wine down for a minute, guys.

Listen to me.

Listen, I want to sit around the table.

I'm called for an event.

I don't know.

Call it an event.

I'm trying to figure out an F-word for the festival Italian.

I can't think of one.

Can you?

I don't know.

Event, I say it.

We'll go, I guess, event.

I can't think of it.

E's right before F, innit?

Jesus Christ.

Call it an event.

The organizers of this festival are terrible at crosswords.

Let's just say that.

Said it features great Italian food, music, entertainment, and many children's events.

The majority of Wakefield merchants participate by setting up tents and tables along the streets.

Why go to the North End when you can experience the flavor of local street fair at home?

That's what I'm saying.

There's a lot of reasons to go to the North End.

North End is awesome.

It is.

This is one weekend.

The organizer, Selectman Paul

DiNoco, said it's larger, better.

It's going to be fabulous.

That's what he said.

We pulled out all the stops this year.

Get the fuck out of here.

This is some stuff from like the middle, like 2015 or something.

There's some articles about it.

And it says, as always, this family-friendly event will feature great Italian food music, mechanical bull rides, which all through my childhood growing up in a very Italian family and household and area and everything like that.

The main thing that we, I mean, there was Christmas Eve.

There's a couple things like that.

But when it was bull riding day, that's when everybody, all the kids, all the little Anthony's and all the little Nikki's and Vinny's, we all came running.

All the little Jimmy's, we all came running.

Grandma's house where she keeps the mechanical bolts.

Absolutely.

Everyone knows your very Italian grandma always has a nice mechanical bolt in the basement that she keeps in tip-top shape.

Entertainment, an antique car show.

Spin the wheel with prizes from local sponsors.

There you go.

Stuff like that.

Also, Fiat and Harley-Davidson will be showing off some hot wheels.

Two car antique clubs will be in attendance.

The Fiat dealer sending in what?

That's what I mean.

What are they sending in?

What's their fucking hot car?

That next to a Harley?

I hope they're not brought in on the same.

They're about the same cost.

Jesus.

But you don't want the Harley guys mingling with the Fiat guys.

That Fiat guy is about to have a broken jaw.

It's going to be real ugly, I don't think.

Yeah, I don't think they're going to get along very well.

Donoco said, the most important thing is that the businesses will be out in the street that day.

We're trying to give the businesses a wakefield a way to promoting themselves in this huge event.

Everybody's been granted a one-day special liquor license so they can sell booze on the sidewalks.

Yeah.

There you go.

20 local merchants have become one of the 20 regions of Italy.

This year, the committee is holding two contests, one for adult, one for children.

Okay.

It doesn't say what the contests are, though.

We'll let you know when you get it.

We don't want anybody brushing up and pawning up on

their talents.

We want you to be going to

be cheating over here.

Let's see what you got.

Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here.

Property crime is about half of the national average.

So very safe.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is also right about the national average, maybe slightly, or right about half the national average, maybe slightly over.

So it's very safe here.

That's why it's expensive, obviously.

So that said, let's talk about some murder.

Let's talk about some people who are not so safe here.

Okay.

We have to go back in time just a little bit to March of 2006.

So everything's exactly the same minus social media.

Only social media is MySpace.

That's it, pretty much.

So, I mean, that's popular.

I'm sure there was other shit going on, but I didn't know about it.

So, that was when you had like Friendster and all that garbage, too.

Remember that shit?

You get like a Friendster thing.

You're like, I'm going to fucking join in that.

Get away from it.

I wonder how many social media sites there are that are not used, that are not like insanely.

Thousands, I bet.

Yeah, there's got to be, right?

With like 1,100 users.

Yeah.

Why isn't there more people on here?

Can't get any followers.

There has to be.

Has to be.

So March of 2006, Michael Anthony Zamidi Jr., let's talk about.

Zamidi, Z-A-M-M-I-T-T-I.

Clearly a Swedish fella, obviously.

Very, yeah.

Michael Anthony Zamidi Jr.

over here.

January 18th, 1967.

He is born.

So he's 39 years old in March of 2006 he's got some parents obviously that he came come from here uh michael sr clearly he's a junior and his mom's name is pat patricia uh he graduated from wakefield high school class of 85.

oh oh yeah him and marty mcfly together he's doing it yeah um he is gonna work though he is one of those guys that's a has got a family business michael senior has a family business so michael jr knows exactly what he's gonna do always he's working there since he's a kid what is it It's all-state concrete pumping company.

Oh, he's spraying innit?

He's doing concrete pumping in Boston.

So,

and there was a big 20-year project in Boston of

that big deal.

So, there's a ton of concrete board, and that was a big deal.

Spraying of roads and infrastructure, all that stuff, buildings, basements.

Fuck, that's a great gig.

Everything's a gig.

It's a very, oh, it's a lucrative gig.

It's a tough gig, though.

I mean,

hard work, and it's got to be done right.

And

it's got to be like

when this business was started, because it's been around for over 20 years at this point.

Think about the people that you're dealing with in the

not only in the construction industry, but the concrete, specifically pouring industry, the specific unions you're dealing with, and the people who represent them.

What I'm saying is, you got to really know how to negotiate the mafia to be able to do this business

and be legit at it.

You got to be willing to take a little price cut to get a job done so that money can funnel to the right places.

Things like that.

It's tough.

So,

but Michael Sr.

is the one running it.

And I guess when Mike Jr.

was young, he'd get out of school and everybody else, all the other kids would go to do all their shit.

But he would go right to the concrete pumping company, one of the friends said.

Yeah.

Friend of his said, big trucks, big toys.

He learned to drive the big rigs well before he was eligible for his learner's permit.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's all he ever right into concrete.

I mean, it was, you're going to take over the family business someday, someday, son, type of thing.

So

Mike Jr.

never even thought about going to college because

what are you going to do?

Go to college to work there?

He's going to work there anyway.

So just go there.

You guys got those wild-ass mixers, too, that have the mixer on the front.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's so weird.

Driving down the road seeing a mixer that the barrel's backward.

I'm like, what the fuck?

I hope that thing doesn't hit me.

Yeah.

So he learned everything about the business.

He and his dad would pump concrete all the time at the big dig there in Boston.

He saw everything.

He learned how to deal with delays and labor and rising costs.

And I mean,

he was 18, knew the concrete business cold, which is pretty interesting.

Dave Dalton, who's Mike's best friend, said his father just said, okay, here are the keys to the business and pretty much just let him run with it.

Yeah.

So that's, I mean, that's what every,

you always hear people complaining that they're working for like a family business and this guy won't retire and get out of the way and all that shit.

Like, this is,

this guy was like, can't wait for you to take over.

Yeah.

So

Mike Sr.

and Jr.

were very, very good at this business, too.

Mike Jr.

learned business skills, learned to oversee the daily operations, learned to have all the relationships with clients and employees and everything like that.

He was a member of the operating engineers local number four.

And he also does like

sponsor stuff for the boys club and lowell and all that kind of shit.

So community-centered, too.

They're all doing shit locally.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, I'm sure they got a little league team with all state concrete on it.

You know, that's

back east.

There's all, that's, that's the little league teams are all those guys.

So

now Mike Sr.

and Jr.

are very different in their approaches to things.

How so?

Very different.

Mike Sr.

is

he's a tough guy.

He'll yell at you.

He'll call you fuck up, ask you what the hell's wrong with you.

He's confrontational.

He's an idiot.

He's confrontational with

contractors and things like that.

He's on the place.

There's no HR.

I'll tell you what I feel.

Yep.

And he'll right away say, you're not going to fuck with me,

shit like that.

So he's like that

with everybody but his son.

He never treats Mike Jr.

like that.

Really?

Mike Jr.

is not a fuck-up.

He cultivates Mike Jr.

and nurtures him here and brings him up.

And he's just a tough business guy.

I mean, that's kind of how you have to be in that business.

It's difficult.

Mike Jr., though, is known as being real gentle and non-confrontational.

He is the opposite of his dad, which them working together for years and years, because they both work there.

Yeah, it's hard to play a role of confrontational while the guy that's your boss is confrontational.

Exactly.

So Mike Jr.

becomes president of the company.

Yeah.

But Mike Sr.

still owns the company and he's there.

And if there's a hammer that needs to come down, Mike Sr.

is the guy to drop the hammer and Mike Jr..

yeah.

And like you said, that's how you do it.

Good cop, bad cop, too.

Oh, I know my dad's hard to deal with, but don't worry about him.

We'll get it squared away.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

One day I'll be in charge and everything will be fine.

Yeah, that's right.

Everybody can walk all over me and I'll make no fucking money.

I'll do nothing or I'll figure out how to be dad.

One of the two.

So his friend said, quote, they got along great.

They were soulmates.

Everything they did, they did together, meaning dad and son,

senior and junior.

They said that they, you know, they've been around Mike.

Mike's a fun guy.

His friend's wife said he enjoyed life.

He enjoys having fun.

You know, he's a good guy.

Mike's senior is called Big Mike.

They call him Big Mike because that's what you have to do.

Like in my family, there's my dad's Big Jim.

That's just how it works.

There you go.

So they're only, they would go, they like to fix up junior and senior.

Their hobby.

Well, they have a couple hobbies because they have a, there's a lake house that dad owns and that junior is going to have one too.

So they like going there.

But they also like fixing up antique fire engines.

Really?

Antique fire trucks so they can drive them in local parades.

Where the fuck do you put that?

I don't know.

In a giant warehouse in your concrete company company.

Yeah, you got to have a company, company.

Right.

The company.

Your comping company.

It's your concrete company.

Your company.

I got a comping company.

How do you...

if you have to have a business?

Otherwise, where the fuck do you store?

And those things are so big.

They're big.

So long.

Even the antique ones are twice a car.

Yeah, they got it.

You need at least a large garage.

So, yeah, they would like to drive them in the local parades because people get a kick out of seeing that old shit.

So

they're very community-based.

People love seeing antique vehicles.

What's the reaction to the old fire truck, though, beyond, oh, look, that one's old.

That's all you're looking for.

What else do you want?

Show me your tits.

I mean,

it's a fucking old fire truck.

People have started whipping it out and stroking it.

Oh, my God.

Holy shit, it's a 30.

Hey!

Fuck.

It's just a nice thing for the, I don't know, for people that don't.

I don't give a shit.

Who cares?

I wouldn't do it.

It seems like a lot of fucking time wasted for nothing, but that's what they enjoyed.

They enjoyed fixing shit up and showing it off.

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Mike Jr.

ends up, he's working hard, he's doing everything, and then one day

he gets a little bit distracted.

And that is because he meets somebody that he's smitten with.

What's she look like?

It's a truck driver he meets at a job site at the airport.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That's right.

He meets a truck driver.

Tell me more.

Shows up in a yellow hard hat with long brown hair and a tall young lady's body underneath there.

A young woman truck driver.

What?

Yep.

He meets himself like a hot little truck driver lady.

What's up with that?

Yeah.

Interesting.

She's tall, too.

She's not little.

Her name is Michelle Biggin.

Biggin, B-E-G-I-N, Biggin.

Oh, you bet.

Someone's going to be begging for something.

So she drove trucks and rides a motorcycle to work to drive the trucks.

So she's...

What?

How many brothers does she have?

Let's just say, right off the bat.

She's very close with her father.

For sure.

So, yeah, she does all of that.

And Dave, who is

Mike's friend here,

said he was kind of giddy about her.

He was head over heels.

Who the fuck wouldn't be?

Yeah, that's what I mean.

You meet a cool chick like that.

That's pretty cool.

And Michelle, she is with him too.

The only problem is her name is Michael and Michelle, which is tough.

Yeah.

That's a tough couple name, Michael and Michelle.

That's rough.

It's the same name.

Yeah.

It's a tough one.

She's Michelle Jr., too.

That's, yeah, she's Michelle Jr.

But she thought he was wonderful, too.

She liked his big Italian family.

She liked that.

She liked the fact that he owned his own business and did his own thing.

Now, Mike's sister is also named Michelle, by the way.

The parents named the kids Michael and Michelle, which is insane.

So anyway, there's that, and then he finds a girl named Michelle.

So there we are.

Yeah.

That's wild.

So

she basically goes right into the fold of his family as far as they, you know,

the Michelles like each other, the sister, they hang out, they're best friends.

She likes his big Italian family.

They go on vacations together and all that kind of shit.

And

yeah, so they're psyched about that.

And they get married.

I mean, it's pretty quick, too.

Comes up pretty fast.

And

yeah.

So one thing, though, Mike, the only problem they really have in their marriage is it's tough because Mike has to work extremely long hours.

He owns his own business.

I mean, that's when you own your own business like that, you work a lot of hours.

It's period.

When you go home, you're barely home because your mind is somewhere else.

That's why you're making way more than anybody working there.

You know what I mean?

Because

you're the last one to fucking leave.

And there it is.

That's how it works.

So that was kind of tough on Michelle to see that, you know, he's never going to be home that often.

They're going to end up having three kids together over the next few years.

They have two daughters and a son.

I'll give you one guess on what the son's name is.

Is he the third?

He is the third.

He is

Michael Trey, my friend.

So, I mean, they have a nice little family.

He's got a nice business.

He's sponsoring, you know, boys' clubs and shit and everything.

Things are going well.

His friend Dave said he was just a good person.

He loved his family, got out of work, and he came home always.

So I didn't stop at the bar for a couple with the boys or anything like that.

Yeah, go on home.

Just got to go home, got the kids.

There's only one real issue they have with the business.

I mean, there's obviously normal ups and downs of business, but they have an issue issue with a former employee who sued Michael Sr.

over a labor dispute in 1995.

Now, Michael Sr., to give you a, he's a bit acerbic, Michael Sr.

To give you an idea of how

kind of

a little bit prickly

Mr.

Mike Sr.

is, he has a beef with this guy, an employee over whatever the fuck, some kind of of labor dispute.

Mike Sr.

threatens to, quote, knock the guy's house down with a bulldog, knock the guy's mother's house down with a bulldozer.

Not yours, your mom's.

I'll come to your mother's house and I'll knock it down with a bulldozer.

She'll be sitting there fucking homeless on a pile of rubble.

What do you think of that, asshole?

Yeah.

Wow.

Sitting on the fuck.

Chimney intact.

I'll take the house.

It's such an Italian threat.

I'll go over to your mother's house with a bulldozer.

I'll knock it down.

See how you like that?

That's such an over-the-top threat.

It's wild.

So eventually the lawsuit is settled.

But the guy who had a problem with his name is Ricky Calley,

C-A-L-I, like California.

This guy was upset with the settlement.

Really?

So they kind of have like a simmering beef going for some years here because he's pissed off at the settlement.

And he's never, never recovers from that.

He's always mad about that.

Now they have lake houses as well, this family.

Both Mike Jr.

and senior each have a lake house up at the same lake.

Yeah.

Which sounds real nice.

Lake Ossope.

O-S-S-I-P-E-E.

There you go.

They have a lake.

It's in Freedom, New Hampshire, this lake.

And

they have a bunch of neighbors up there where they get along too.

There's a lake house neighbor named David Spears.

And

David Spears, one of the neighbors, said he would watch in awe as Mike Sr.

did yard work.

You need to get a fucking life, sir.

Really?

Wow, look at him.

Look at him go.

Look at him with that hoe.

That's amazing.

He's seen men fertilizing.

Honey, get over here.

He's seeding fertilizing.

You're going to want to see this.

Get the kids.

Unreal.

Tell the grandkids to come.

They're going to need to see this.

This is important.

He's doing it, guys.

He's doing it.

Wow.

The neighbor Spears said, I saw this guy in New Hampshire who worked hard every day, up at 7 o'clock Sunday morning with his back hoe doing a project up there very nice generous giving person so it seems like Mike Sr.

in every aspect except for at work when he needs to do business is a very nice gentleman

but at work he's like listen motherfucker this is how it's gonna go yeah fair enough I like house no so Mike Jr.

and Michelle buy a house there too on the same street So they all, you know, they can hang out all the time.

Everybody knows all the neighbors.

This neighborhood up here is apparently, they all,

everybody kind of, there's a few residents that live there year-round.

Otherwise, people come up on weekends and do that sort of thing.

So they all know each other and everybody kind of hangs out, I guess, because everybody does shit outside, too.

It's a lake.

So you're going to meet people.

There's a guy also, David Spears, that we talked about, who's their friend who's in awe of yard work.

David Spears has a best friend who also lives here right across the street from Michael Sr.

His name is Sean Fitzpatrick, which I mean I couldn't have made that up if I was trying to be stereotypical for a Boston name

so Sean Fitzpatrick and he hangs out with everybody too he's kind of part of the late crew David Spears says about Fitzpatrick very personable you know help anyone out you know if they had something going on a project on the house you know he'd be more than willing to help very friendly guy you know you know yeah he's fucking you know us a lot there he's a beating you to to death.

Man, that's a guy who doesn't talk to reporters, I think, much.

I mean, you know.

He's a guy who sits on the end of a bar stool for

six months a year.

Actually, it might be like a Cliff Claven where something comes up and he goes, you know, I'll tell you a little-known fact about that.

You know.

So

they, now Michael Jr.

works a lot, working these long hours.

So Michelle and the kids would often go up there without him to just go to the lake house.

And, you know, his parents will be up there.

The neighbors are up there.

And, you know, they just hang out.

It's nicer than their house, I guess.

And it's pretty up there.

It's nice.

So

now back to Sean Fitzpatrick, who lives across the street.

Now, this guy had a live-in girlfriend, and that relationship ended the previous year here, about 2002, 2003, that ended.

And so he's kind of part of the crew, too.

It's the, you know, the

David Spears, Michael Sr.,

other neighbor down the street, Sean Fitzpatrick, everything like that.

They're all kind of in one big group doing recreational activities together.

He would play with the kids also, with Mike Jr.'s kids like crazy.

And,

you know, the kids loved him.

They called him Uncle Sean.

Yeah.

Old Uncle Sean there.

Now, Uncle Sean is living up by the lake full-time on a Verizon pension.

Wow.

Yeah.

Do they do that?

Oh, yeah.

I guess.

He's only in his 40s, though.

This doesn't make any sense.

People not back east don't know that Verizon isn't just a cellular.

Oh, that's true.

Yeah.

It's the internet.

It's everything.

Company, phone company, they have the cable too.

They have the Fios, they have all that shit.

So it's a yeah, it's a different thing.

So

it's a big deal here.

Now, Verizon, I guess he was a lineman for Verizon.

So there you go.

Probably worked there from the time he was 20 and retired at 40, and that was that.

And he also

now kind of works part-time around here and there because he's, you know, quote, retired.

He drives a septic pump truck that he said was called the Pooper Trooper.

Yeah.

Driving the Pooper Trooper, baby.

He's got a sense of humor.

That's right.

Well, when you drive a shit truck, you better have a sense of humor.

You better smile a bit because otherwise your day is going to be real shitty.

Everyone's, yeah, everyone's looking at you funny.

You got to have something to say about that.

You know, that's.

I know.

It's, and you know, that's how you smell it in fucking track.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you know where it would have been.

Oh,

Christ.

Pooper Trooper coming in.

So,

yeah, he just hangs out.

He's a bachelor at this point and has some financial problems because his pension dollars aren't stretching as much as he wanted.

And he lived on the fucking lake.

It's not easy.

Yeah, that's what it is.

Now, the Dalton guy, Mike Jr.'s best friend, his wife Dee said, you know, why is everyone in this town with the you knows?

I don't know what it is.

It's back east, too.

You know, on school vacations or summer vacation when most guys still have to work, he wasn't working.

So he was around a lot.

So when they would go up there, you know, he was around to take them out on the boat or to take them out jet skiing.

So he's helping out, kind of filling in when there's nobody else around to play with the kids.

We don't know.

That's why we're asking.

We're asking you.

We asked you if you know, and then you're telling us, so we don't know.

But other than that, he has no job to go to every day.

He's got enough work to keep him at least comfortable.

He's got a vanity plate.

And David Spears, his friend and neighbor, says his vanity plate is 02BME, O to B-Me.

Yeah.

That's his license.

And that's, he told him.

That's what it means.

O to be me.

Like, it's wonderful.

I hate it.

Yes.

Can you imagine being that happy about anything?

I'm so happy.

No.

It also looks like it says, like, because people that are car guys are going, zero to what?

Zero?

How fast is it?

Zero to something

to BM me?

Zero to shit me?

What are we talking about?

Is there poop involved in this?

He drives the pooper trooper.

Am I missing something?

What's happening?

Zero to BM on Ethereum.

Zero to BM on.

I don't get it, man.

So David said, oh, to live my life kind of a thing.

Like, he's so happy with his life here.

And he's basically on permanent vacation.

Everybody else comes and goes, and he stays there all the time.

And, you know, he's also hooking up with the ladies.

When you're

a retired lake house owner, you can

hook up with the ladies.

His best friend David Spears said he would tell me about, you know,

I'm going to lose my fucking mind.

Hopefully he's not quoted as much.

He would tell me about, you know, different girls that he had, you know, short-term relationships.

He said it twice in the same sentence.

Yeah, I think he thought he was kind of hot stuff yeah he's proud of himself yeah he thinks he's hot and he's liking his life here oh to be me he'd organize motorcycle trips with the neighbors and stuff like that get people out on the lake boating or jet skiing he'd take out snowmobiles in the winter he was known as the the social director of the area basically yeah so that's how it worked uh he was a guest at the zamitti barbecues and stuff because they lived across the street so when there's barbecues or lunches or just having beers outside,

David Spears says, oh no,

if they were cooking cooking out, if they were out cooking lunch, they'd say, Sean, come on over, have some lunch.

It was very friendly, open, went back and forth.

The door was always open.

He got through with two sentences without saying, you know, good for you.

And Dee Dalton, I said, the first time

that we met him was at Mr.

Z's 50th birthday, meaning Mike Sr., Mr.

Z,

Big Mike.

And I remember saying that he was very personable, very likable.

He was that easy to talk to and very chatty.

Yeah.

And also, this freedom is a very small place up there.

This is a little lake town.

It's, yeah, a picture like, you know, great outdoors style joint.

That's kind of what it's like.

It's about 1,500 people live there year-round.

They have a three-person police department and a volunteer fire department.

Three dudes, yeah.

Three dudes.

You could

start a wave in this.

Four people could ruin this town.

you know what I mean?

Yeah, they'd just be out sheer outnumbers.

You can't be in four places at once, boys.

One person's running amok, just doing whatever they want.

It's going to be crazy.

So many fires.

Oh, man.

So many fires.

In the summer, about 10,000 people is kind of with the tourists and everything, what they do.

One person said this is a very small rural town.

So, you know, that's what it's all about.

Everybody knows each other.

So

the Zamitti family mike senior at his home for decades decades and they always participated in the annual old home week parade and were well known in town so there you go oh yeah i know that one i'm there every year maybe they drove the fire

you know that parade where uh

yeah my ex-girlfriend's dad had one in fucking tampa in uh near in clearwater where it's the historic homes they they all take care of them and then people walk down the streets and just like with old fire trucks james they go oh look that one's old Oh, God.

Tampa, here comes the rooster brigade.

Here they are.

Half the parade is just fucking wild roosters.

So Saturday, March 11th, 2006.

Old Uncle Sean there, Fitzpatrick.

Sure, sure.

And Michael Jr.

are both up there at the lake house.

And the lake is still frozen.

So they're riding like off-road vehicles and snowmobiles and shit around.

And they're seen on the frozen lake in their vehicles just hanging out talking for a minute that day.

Saturday, March 11th.

Monday, March 13th, 2006.

Okay, it's a regular workday.

No more lake farting around or any of that bullshit.

Spring's coming.

That's right.

Junior and senior are both due at the concrete pumping company at 8 a.m.

That's when they're supposed to show up, along with their handyman and driver, Chester Roberts.

Chester, by the way, is 51 years old,

part-time handyman and driver, and

he was born in 1954, and he's from this area and

has, what,

two sisters and a brother, and all this sort of thing.

He's worked here for several years, and he's kind of their kind of right-hand guy.

He's known for his reliability and the fact that he'll always show up and he'll always get the job done.

They lean on him a lot.

Now, Mike Sr.,

this is wild, was late because a telemarketer called him.

So he is

unable to get there in time.

He stayed.

He's late for work.

And he's like, well, let me ask you one question now.

All right.

Okay, you're telling me about that.

And he engaged with a telemarketer for a long time.

This is the guy that...

I'm late for work and then just hanging it up.

Fuck off.

This is the guy that lets telemarketers ruin his day.

That's what it is.

They made him late for work, for Christ's sake.

That's crazy.

So he arrived in the parking lot at about 8.03 a.m.

rather than 8.

So late, too.

Really, really a slacker, obviously.

Now he sees Mike Jr.'s truck is already there.

Yeah.

So he walks into the garage and at the bottom of the stairs, there's stairs leading up to a second floor where the office is, where Mike Jr.

should be.

Sure.

But at the bottom of the stairs is a dead body.

Oh, my.

Which wasn't there when he left on Friday night.

So he's really upset of how it got here.

Obviously, it's Monday morning.

This isn't what you want to see.

And the body laying there face down is Chester Roberts.

Oh, no.

Their longtime employee.

Yeah.

Face down.

He didn't even recognize who it was at first, Mike Sr., he said.

Really?

He was freaked out, overwhelmed by shock.

And like I said, it's Monday morning.

This isn't what you're expecting to see.

You don't have all your faculties about you.

You were just talking to, you were so out of it.

You talked to a telemarketer for five minutes when you didn't have time to.

So early.

Probably thought it was somebody else calling, and that's when he was like, just stayed on the phone.

Yeah.

I haven't even had my coffee yet.

Five.

Oh, Jesus.

I got to talk to you now.

Yeah.

So he calls up, and this is his 911 call.

He says, they pick up 911.

What's your emergency?

He says, yeah, 17 New Salem Street.

I just walked in my garage.

I don't know if someone is dead on the floor or not.

Yeah.

Now he sees him.

There's blood everywhere.

He saw a body.

And he's on the floor.

Now, I guess he doesn't know if he's breathing or not, if he's dead or just laying there or whatever it is.

This is the best here.

So the operator says, okay, they're not breathing at all.

And Mike Sr.

says, quote, I don't know.

Hurry up.

Bye.

You there?

Which I am.

Yes.

I don't know.

Hurry up.

Buy.

Are you there?

Are you there?

Why'd you say bye?

Usually people say bye in a single day.

Yeah, this is why he was on the phone with the telemarket for 10 minutes.

Yeah, he's a bye.

You there?

He doesn't want to hang up.

Hey, I don't want any of your bullshit, okay?

No, I don't want it.

You don't please take me off of your list.

You there?

Hello?

Johnny?

Johnny, don't leave me.

I know we were talking for a minute here.

So hurry up, buy, you there, which is

that tells you that he's got to be in some kind of weird

headspace.

Shock.

Yeah.

yeah so the operator says yes i'm having someone over there uh right over there right away and he says uh senior says all state concrete jesus

like i don't know if he's saying jesus at the scene or jesus you fucking dummy because you don't know that it's all state concrete i'm not sure but i think he's probably from the situation himself yeah he's he just gave the address he's like why don't i give him the name of the company jesus

jesus yeah uh the operator says all straight all state concrete he says yes and then he hangs up that's it So

normally they'll keep people on the line, go check if that person is breathing.

This guy's like curtness just made her go, well, we'll just hang up and we'll just send someone there.

I don't think he's going to listen to me.

So Mike Sr.

then looks around and he says, well, that's not Mike Jr.

on the floor.

Yeah.

So where the fuck is Mike Jr.?

Because his truck's outside.

Yeah.

So where is he?

So he goes up the stairs to the second floor office.

And when he opened the door, he finds this.

And this is what's described by Massachusetts state trooper Kevin Baker.

He says, quote, Michael Zamitti Jr.

was in a chair, seated, and he had been shot in the face,

shot twice with a 16-gauge shotgun.

In the face.

Twice?

As that lady in Colorado said, twice.

One non-lethal wound to the left side of his face, so it must have just grazed him.

And then one very lethal wound to the other side of his face that killed him pretty much instantly, they said.

But shot twice.

Boom, boom, real close range.

Hopefully it's a double barrel and they both came at him at the same time because otherwise you get hit once that fucking

doesn't die.

Fuck.

Oh, Jesus.

Either that or he just fired twice and hit him, you know, bang, bang type of thing.

He might have done it and cocked it again.

So

either way,

then they, from what they put together and what everybody puts together, Mike Sr.

and the the police here, they figure that when the person came back down the stairs, they think Chester was probably running upstairs to see what the noise was.

Because

the way he fell and the way he is, he's shot in the back with a shotgun laying at the bottom of the stairs, laying face down away from the stairs.

So looks like he saw what was going on, tried to run away, and just got shot in the back as he was just getting out of the bottom of the stairs.

So that's brutal.

So that's,

they're looking at this and they're like, holy shit, somebody meant business.

Like, this is like very professional.

You know what I mean?

Walk in undetected, boom, boom, very efficient.

Two shots to one guy's head.

Next, you know, no witnesses.

Take this guy out in the back.

Usually, if it's something emotional, like they don't really care if there's witnesses, they don't think about that.

It's not the point of it.

So they said, the cop that arrived said, unfortunately, our only eyewitness was Chester Roberts, and he was brutally killed because he was an eyewitness, probably, they're thinking.

So they're thinking it's probably not him.

He probably wasn't the target.

Likely, yeah.

You know,

so Mike Sr.

waits for the police until they get there.

He calls his wife.

His wife calls Michelle, Mike Jr.'s wife.

So, you know, this is all rippling out into the family at this point now.

Now, Mike, the auto shop owner nearby, because there's a bunch of shops here, a guy who owns an auto shop nearby, said about Mike Sr., I saw him holding his heart and pointing inside the building.

So he leaves and ends up calling an ambulance because he thought he was having a heart attack.

Yeah, you can't see your son like that.

No.

And yeah, they said that when he,

the person who watched him come out of the shop to meet the cops said that he watched him come out and he just looked overwhelmed.

And, you know, the guy said he said it was just devastating to watch the guy do this.

It was crazy.

So anyway, he goes to the hospital for a a possible heart attack.

Turns out it wasn't a heart attack.

It's just

overwhelming

stress.

And yeah, exactly.

Just horror.

You know, the worst horror you've ever experienced.

You know, something like that.

Your fucking son dead.

So the crime scene, like we said, Michael Jr.

is found at his desk, shot with the shotgun.

Chester is found near the entrance at the bottom of the stairs with a shotgun wound in his back.

They do identify a 16-gauge shotgun as the weapon used in the murders.

They don't have the weapon, but they know that's what was used.

Wow.

That means there was a slug.

So they also, you have to be able to even know where, okay, what it was.

So the investigators also found no indication of forced entry into the premises.

So that would mean probably, because when they get there, I don't think they locked the doors behind them.

Right.

Yeah, because it's

open.

They must have came after.

Otherwise, they would have, you know, it was somebody lying in wait.

They would have had to break in, basically.

So the chief of police here said, we have been very fortunate, and we, for the last six years, have not had any murders, and now there's two.

The last murders before that were the soulless time-traveling Nazi killer,

Michael McDermott.

Yeah.

Who killed the seven workers at a software company.

Yeah.

So that's the last.

That was December 26, 2000.

So it's been over five years since they've had any murders in this town at all.

Now,

they're finding, looking into this, and they're figuring out how Chester died here.

They're figuring out that Chester,

he probably witnessed,

you know, he witnessed whoever did this

with Michael Jr.

and tried to flee and got shot in the back.

And

one of the detectives says it does appear, given the location at the bodies, that he may not have been the intended target of this and that he may have just happened upon the circumstances.

Wrong place, wrong time, just poor bastard, basically, this poor Chester Roberts guy.

So

they're going to investigate, obviously.

Now, Mike Sr.

was telling the officers over and over again, quote, they killed my son.

They killed my son.

They.

They.

That's the thing.

So the cops right away are like, who the fuck is they?

He seems to have an idea of something and they.

And the main investigator here said there were a million stories, a million rumors, a million innuendos that were out there.

Right.

So as we know what that means, that means that was this a professional?

Was this a mob hit?

Did they piss off the wrong person and not do it?

You know,

so who the fuck, I mean, because if you've ever watched the Sopranos or know anything about the mafia, people with companies like this, they'll have people launder shit.

There's no paid jobs they get sometimes and stuff like that.

They, you know, work with mob guys a lot.

Not saying that these people did at all.

That's not what I'm trying to imply.

I'm just saying that that's common in this business.

They're forced to because that's just what's going on.

That's how the business is run out here and it's one of those things where you can either do it or then go rat on the mafia those are your options so it's like and and sometimes uh uh

backwards uh backwards cement trucks explode so you know you never know what happens that's be careful or they none of their tires ever work you know things like that concrete gets real hot when it mixes

it does it does it'll it'll freeze up the way you don't want it so uh the trooper also said this case from the beginning was a legitimate best way to describe it It was a whodunit, which is how detectives always describe when they get a mystery homicide case.

It's a whodunit.

So,

and also at this point, they're trying to do the crime scene, and it's freezing rain outside.

So, that's ruining anything that could be outside, footprints, tire tracks, anything like that.

It's being destroyed by the rain.

And they said also, looking at the scene, they said it wasn't a situation where there'd been a robbery or like hand-to-hand struggle.

Yeah.

They said Chester Roberts had been shot in the back.

Yeah, and clearly Michael Zamitti had been shot in the face.

It appeared more that the person had targeted him, meaning Michael.

Nobody struggled, so the guy probably had a shotgun out that didn't spring it on him.

You know what I mean?

It probably was out to be seen.

That's why they didn't struggle.

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Now they're looking into this, trying to find anything canvassing the whole area because they have nothing at this point.

It is just a ghost came in and did this.

So they received numerous potential leads.

People describe seeing at least two suspicious

vehicles in the area of New Salem Street that morning.

And Michael Sr.

provided police with several names of people with whom he'd had contentious business dealings as well.

This is anybody from somebody unhappy with the cost of a job to

the guy he fired in a lawsuit with 10 years ago or whatever the fuck.

So there also is evidence from surveillance cameras along New Salem Street showing Michael Jr.

arriving at the All State Company here at approximately 7.40 a.m.

Okay, now Chester stopped to speak with two friends along North Salem Street between 7.30 and 7.45.

So he was early.

So he's like,

I'll stop.

And they think likely arrived, you know, 10 minutes after Michael Jr.

And Michael Sr.

telephoned the police at 8.04 a.m.

So this is a very tight time window here.

Sure is.

This is between, you know, about a 14-minute time window.

Although, I guess Junior could have been dead already with the culprit waiting up there and, you know, lying in wait for somebody up there.

But either way, real tight time window.

Yeah.

It had to have happened at that time.

That's good.

Well, that narrows a lot down.

Yeah.

When there's a bigger time window, you can't, and it's harder to build these timelines.

So

there's figuring out why the cops are thinking, is it a business score?

Is it something related to their concrete pumping jobs at the Big Big Dig deal in Boston?

Did they piss off the wrong people?

Is it some other company that wants to move in on them?

Because that's the other thing, too.

If you're not a mobbed up company and there's some mobbed up company, they try to push your ass out.

Sure.

So you remember the garbage companies and the Sopranos?

Oh, yeah.

You're not satisfied.

Double your garbage back.

That's our policy.

It's one of those things.

So

I love that dumping it in his fucking parking lot.

Double your garbage back.

No shit.

Now, there's an interview with the trooper Baker here, and some of it's from newspapers, some of it's from Dateline.

So there's a kind of patch together here.

And the interviewer says, my first inclination, if I had heard about such a thing, would be to think, oh, my God, you know, concrete company, double murder, weekday morning, this is a mob hit.

Yeah.

Clearly.

And the officer said that was something that we had to consider, but we had to follow the evidence and where it led us, and we couldn't draw any conclusions based upon just speculation.

We couldn't just go, these guinea concrete fucks obviously are involved with the mob and got shot.

Case closed, never mind, walking away.

So

he said

if it was business related, the killer or killers may have hit the wrong Zamidi as well.

Oh.

They might have said he'll be up in the office.

Yeah.

You go shoot him.

The boss, they got the wrong guy.

They got the wrong guy.

I'm not the guy they're pissed off at either.

And they even said that.

They said Mike Jr.

was soft-spoken and easygoing, and his father was hard-driving and didn't take shit from anybody.

So they said, you know, the father is way more likely to have enemies than the son.

So now that's now they have to go outside both of their circles for this because they don't even know who the intended fucking target was.

Yeah.

Which is at least they know Chester wasn't because otherwise they'd have to have that whole world opened up too to see which maybe he's the target.

So here's a comment from the friend Dave Dalton.

That is Mike Jr.'s best friend and his best man at his wedding.

The interviewer asks him, there were some people around who thought, well, you know, the right kind of business they're in, they're in the concrete business.

That's, you know, rough, tough guys in that business.

Just say it.

Dude, just say it.

Are you kidding me?

How much are you going to dance around it?

Just you're saying it anyway, so just say it.

Yeah.

And and i mean there was whitey bulger back there the boston is chock full of bad dudes chock full of and we've heard a lot of boston mob stories too remember we heard from people that owned

back there yes i mean it's a it's it was a very much a mob town especially any business involved with construction or booze or or food you know right so Dave Dalton, the friend, said, of course, concrete Italian wasn't fair, but that's the stereotype.

He at least said it.

Yeah, you know, just he didn't say Italian yet, because that's what you're trying to say.

If this was fucking three German guys, you wouldn't be talking about this, would you?

It is very funny that the fact that there's no money in comedy was the reason that he didn't get shaken down by them.

That's amazing, isn't it?

The fact that comedy is so not lucrative that they were like, I guess leave this fucking guy alone.

What are we going to shake him down for 12 bucks?

Fuck this guy.

That's so funny.

He's probably losing his ass on this place.

As a matter of fact,

we're going to go ahead and pay for our drinks.

I know you offer to do them for free, but this place is going to shut down for price.

What do we do?

Sorry.

Come on, this fucking place.

This is.

Look, guys, if I pay you protection, I may as well close the doors.

I don't make enough money anyway.

And they're like, oh, really?

Yeah.

So we can just come in for free sometimes.

He's like, all right, that's a good enough.

That's fair.

Just come around sometimes.

It's fine.

That was great.

In Boston, we got to talk to a guy who's been in the comedy and entertainment and bar business for 50 years.

And

his stories were phenomenal.

We spent two hours talking to this man before the show.

Like, we were upset.

Our music was playing, and we're like, ah, shit, we got to go do the show now.

Wait here, though.

We'll be back.

He was great.

Love that goddamn guy.

So, yeah, and Mike Sr.,

he should have been there too, also.

Because he was supposed to be there earlier.

Just the telemarketer.

Telemarketers saved his life.

Telemarketers saved his life.

Isn't that amazing?

That's incredible.

Tell me about term life insurance.

Well,

I got about 10 minutes.

That blew me away when I was first read.

I was like, wow, this guy's life was saved by a telemarketer.

Unbelievable.

So that's they, yeah.

So they're really, they don't know who this was intended for, or if both of them were supposed to be the target.

And if that's so, then Mike Sr.

better watch his ass because he didn't get hit.

So, yeah, right.

There's going to be somebody looking for him now still.

That's better than college pussy savings.

Yeah, Yeah, it really is.

This is so much better.

He was inconvenienced.

Seth was having fun.

This guy was inconvenienced.

Seth was hung over too much to get to the airport on time.

So he was life was saved.

Yeah.

This fucking guy.

He's just sitting there haggling and arguing, then hangs up the phone and then stumbles upon a fresh murderer.

I picture him like twirling his car keys in his hand when he's on the phone because he's got to go, you know.

All right, okay.

So the cop said here, we followed, and I mean extensively followed leads that had to do with the business and any conflicts the business had and has had over the past decade.

We went back.

And they said there were some disputes that the company had had, but certainly no disputes that would have arisen to the level that would have resulted in a murder.

Nothing that was like crazy.

The only thing was that Ricky Calleck thing, but that was 10 years ago.

So has he held that deep of a grudge for 10 years?

And he also said, and it was only natural to have employees that might have left over the years that were maybe dissatisfied with the reasons they left.

Yeah, I'm sure you fire plenty of people in the concrete business.

You know, so

he said, we talked to those people.

We followed up on every dispute that we became aware of, and we were able to rule out those people having anything to do with the double murders.

Okay, so it's not a simple, you know, I got fired last year and I'm pissed off about it.

So they decide to look all around.

They're pulling surveillance videos and everything like that.

All state does not have any surveillance cameras outside.

2006?

No.

2006.

I don't know if they're like, were they going to steal concrete?

Right.

Maybe, I guess, but you could steal equipment, trucks.

Steal a truck?

Yeah.

Probably plenty to steal there.

So they talked to the companies all up and down the street because it's an industrial area.

And the officer said, we talked to many, many people, neighbors, friends, and people that the family identified to us that they thought should be talked to.

So other people that they were suspicious of.

Maybe that guy, you know, we had beef with this.

This guy said some shit, you know, that seems dirty.

So the officer said we simply couldn't find any angle, any lead, anything that would lead us to believe that the Zemittis had a problem with someone that would have committed such a horrific crime.

They said there was nothing they could find.

They said, if there's any connection in the business part, we're missing it, basically.

We can't find it either.

We can't figure it out.

And they basically,

they were looking for some kind of beef.

And if that turned into a mafia thing, it it would be business related and that would come.

But there's no talk of that, of anybody, you know, some guy was shaking him down.

Some guy was putting pressure on him.

It never comes up.

And Mike Sr.

would have known that and doesn't say anything about that.

So they said, what the fuck?

So they're like, maybe a family member did this.

Maybe this is a real inside job of somebody that's pissed off.

So they said that they think Chester is the key.

to the whole thing because they know that he's not the target.

So they're like, Chester's kind of the key to this shit because he sets up also the time he gets there sets up the timeline of events.

Right.

And the time basically this guy had to be

in and out of there basically between, he left sometime between 7.50 and 8.03.

Probably 8.02 because of when Mike would have seen him pull it in, Mike Sr.

So it had to be before that.

It was such a tight window.

Such a tight window.

And Mike Sr.

is extremely fucking lucky.

It's such a tight window.

He didn't walk in right up to a barrel of a shotgun.

Sincerely, yeah.

So, yeah, it's very interesting.

Okay.

So a letter is going to arrive at the Zamitti house while this is all being investigated.

Okay.

This is crazy.

Okay.

They're pursuing all these leads, and then Mike Sr.

and Pat get a letter in the mail, and it's a threatening letter.

Oh.

It actually is like an old-fashioned ransom letter with letters cut out of newspapers and magazines to spell words.

I was told that's what you're supposed to do.

That's what it works.

It works.

I saw this in a movie a hundred times, so I guess it works.

You got to cut out a comma sometimes.

You got to make sure that you got to cut out everything.

You got to have gloves on with little glue stick doing it.

Scalpels.

It's crazy.

That's a lot of work.

Scalpels, tweezers, and glue.

Yeah.

And you have to use from different publications so they can't pin it down to one thing.

And it's a lot.

So they actually get a if your son's just been murdered and then you get a note like that it's going to make you a little nervous especially that it says wow quote close business now or more family will die dang that sounds pretty direct and to the point right

yeah very specific and imagine seeing that in cut out fucking psychopath ransom letters that's crazy that's wild so they were like holy shit they freaked out they called the cops they told that and this was just as the cops were about to tell Mike Sr., look, we don't think it's anything business related and start looking into the personal stuff.

They get this.

They get a letter.

They're like, fuck.

So they get forensic experts to go over the letter looking for anything they can.

The letters are cut out, so obviously a handwriting sample isn't going to work.

They're going to find a palm print on the envelope of the letter.

Whoops.

So, but they don't know whose palm print it is.

They don't know if it's the mailman's palm print.

They don't know if it's a sorter's palm print.

If it's

on the outside.

On the outside of the letter.

Yeah.

So it's who the hell knows

what's going on.

Oh, it's on the flap of the letter, though.

So I don't know if it's inside or outside.

Okay.

That could be either one.

So

this is like, this is interesting.

Now,

so they talk to everybody.

They really, they talk to all their personal friends, too.

And a lot of that is the lake.

So they have to go up to the lake and talk to all these people because that's their social circle, essentially.

Lake people are fascinating.

Oh, they're a fascinating bunch,

especially people who, people who go once a year.

Yeah.

They just, you know, yeah, they got a couple of towels that they specifically have for up there and maybe a floaty or two.

And that's about it.

My little brother, they go to Lake George for like two weeks because my sister-in-law's family has a house up there.

They go for like two weeks.

They do all their shit.

But like some people go in the family go up there like constantly and they're lake people.

They just stay and hang out and they're just lake people.

Yes.

It's

lake people.

Lake people are, well, they're a fun bunch.

They like to drink.

Boy, do they like to party.

They like to party.

Boy, do they hate clothes right around 8 p.m.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

They don't like any of that.

A lot of titties out.

A lot of dicks out.

A lot of dicks out.

The food must be cooked only on an open flame.

Yeah.

Loose definition of relationship.

What lake are you going to?

Oh, boy.

What the the lake

of Arizona, Jay.

Old people

are going to.

That is creepy.

Yeah, the East Coast, it's not quite like that.

No, it's Jesus.

Arizona, the lake people are trash.

That's why.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

The lake people are trash in Arizona.

The sun just rots them.

East Coast, like classy people, go to lakes.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

No such trash

in Arizona.

It doesn't exist, man.

No, it's trash.

Those are pretty good.

It's people.

Not good.

anyway,

this is wild.

So they get up to the New Hampshire and they're talking to people.

And the weekend before, they had been in New Hampshire just two days ago.

So they thought, you know, that could help.

So

they looked around and they heard that Mike had talked to Uncle Sean out there on the lake.

Yeah.

So they were like, okay.

You know, that's fine.

And they, you know, look at look through all this type of shit and try to figure this out.

Then

they find something out here.

They find out that in August 2005, and this is from Pat, Mike Jr.'s mom here,

that at one point in the lake at the lake house, she caught Michelle and Uncle Sean in an embrace.

A hug or worse?

Worse.

Mouth hug?

We don't know.

All she'd say is an embrace, but not a friendly embrace.

He had his hand on her tit, probably.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a,

it wasn't nice to see a quick hug type of deal.

Yeah.

So at that point, she,

you know, was

fucking told Michelle, look, I told you what, I saw what happened, blah, blah, blah.

So Michelle says they start going to marriage counseling at that point.

Oh.

And

that's going on.

So she said her marriage started to improve, but she ends up carrying on an affair with Uncle Sean.

Oh, oh boy yeah they found out that it began as an emotional connection in 2005

and then it obviously turned into fucking after that because they are at a lake so i mean he said dicks out i'm telling you dicks out at the lake loose definition of relationship they do start drinking at noon at the lakes too so that's by the time it's dark outside in the summer they've been drinking for eight nine hours buddy marries them

with breakfast man they are hurting

by 11.

that is crazy so that sounds good for a nice afternoon nap, is what that sounds like.

Yeah, but these people do not because then you make the jet skiing adventure.

Oh, my God.

What a nightmare.

I'm not a lake person.

I am just not a lake person.

I can't do that shit.

I have no interest in that.

Yeah.

Oh, that sounds awful.

It's just too much.

I'm here to relax, but I'm constantly having to do shit.

Leave me alone.

I don't like lakes with the sun up.

I'd much rather have the sun down, some light going, you know what I mean?

Some underwater lights, some drinks and some weed.

Let's actually enjoy ourselves.

Yes, I like to sit near water.

That's what I like.

Yeah.

I like to

sit near it, hang out by it, hear it moving.

Near the water, not on the water, not in the water.

That's it.

Exactly.

It's much better.

So now,

after discussing the incident here, the hugging incident or embracing incident, Michelle started to first distance herself from Sean,

although she said she tried to attempt to maintain on cordial terms with him for the sake of the kids, because the kids are always up there and they really like him.

So, you know, she still wants him to go out on jet ski adventures with their uncle Sean there.

So,

you know, all of that.

And in order to deflect the suspicions of her in-laws and neighbors.

So if they just, if she just cuts off cold turkey, won't talk to him, it's going to look very suspicious.

Like

weird.

What the hell were those two involved in?

Why would they even have anything that would cause any kind of emotional

anger?

So the cop said, well, we had discussed at length with the families anybody that they could even fathom that might have animosity with their family.

And Michael Zamitti Jr.'s mother had indicated to us that there was a person in Freedom, New Hampshire named Sean Fitzpatrick that on one occasion she had seen her daughter-in-law in an embrace with Sean that she deemed, in her opinion, to be inappropriate for a married mother to have been in.

Oh.

So yeah, that's very interesting.

So

she said that she saw that and she went to her daughter-in-law and said, listen, you got to end this shit.

I saw what you did.

You know, blah, blah, blah.

Meanwhile, this is all going on.

Sean is urging Michelle to leave her husband.

Oh.

She's saying, he's in, leave Mike, man.

Leave him.

You don't want to.

Leave with me.

Live up here.

You don't even have to be down there.

You and the kids and a lake.

We got it all, babe.

So, yeah.

But then in December of 2005, Michelle had informed him that she wanted to end the relationship.

Okay.

This is, you know, they're going to marriage counseling.

Her and her husband are going to marriage counseling and everything like that.

And he, rather than want them to reconcile and go to marriage counseling, he keeps saying, be with me more, get rid of him, do all this shit.

So the affair continues, despite lip service and counseling and everything else, she's still hooking up with him up there,

which is interesting.

And he,

knowing that people were suspicious, he told everybody that he got to get back together with his ex-girlfriend.

So he's got a girlfriend now.

And he, you know, oh, when I'm gone, I'm with my girlfriend and all that kind of shit.

So to deflect suspicion, like, oh, he's not having an affair with her because he's got a girlfriend.

You know, not like she doesn't have a husband.

So

now she tried, like I said, trying to end things.

And the officer said, I think that they discussed it.

And it was very clear that the family did not approve of the relationship.

Well, obviously.

Now, yeah, she says it's over, but he does not taking no for an answer.

February of 2006, she actually, he kept saying, come see me, come see me.

So she went up there and met him.

And

he had prepared like he was all ready for like this to be a big romantic weekend.

Yeah.

He had prepared a bunch of shit, you know, I don't know what the fuck I bought a bottle of wine and some plucked a couple of roses and spread them around his house or whatever the shit he did.

To him, whatever he thinks is romantic.

Yeah.

And again, tried to persuade Michelle to leave her husband.

They said, though, Michelle made clear that she would not leave her husband.

And she said this to him, that the only way that we're going to ever be together is if either Mike leaves me or if something happens to him, I'm not going to leave him.

Okay.

And that was the quote, if he leaves me or something happens to him.

Yeah.

Okay.

So Sean became angry and pounded his fist on the table and shoved her, shoved her into her car and slammed the door.

Get out of here.

Yeah, I wonder if he like covered her head like cops do when they shove you in the back.

Watch your head.

He like did that, turned the key on, put it in gear and like watched her start rolling with the door still open.

So that's what he did, slammed the door shut, which shows a little bit of a, that's kind of a weird.

Yeah, there's a little crack.

A little violency there.

I usually don't shove people into their cars generally.

So

in the weeks leading up to the murders, Sean continued to press Michelle to leave her husband.

And he told his best friend David there that a job offer he recently got was not, I guess that's the pooper trooper, was not enough to support a family of five.

He has no kids, by the way.

But he needs to be able to support a family of five because he said he's trying to figure out a way to be with Michelle and have her kids there, too.

Oh, Sean.

Sean.

Dude.

What?

Fuck.

This is a lake fuck sesh, bro.

Like, you got to chill out.

Chill, bro.

Even the guy in the great outdoors didn't get the girl for very long.

Yeah, for a little while.

They kissed in a boat.

Yeah.

You have a cruel summer, man.

You get a hand job in a boat.

That's it.

That's life.

Wake up with some leeches and go home.

Go home.

That's how it works.

Man.

So

this is, he says he's in love with Michelle and all this type of shit.

So when the cops hear about this, they're like, this is the only lead we have.

Yeah.

I mean, we got to look into it.

So after they learn about this, they suspect that he might have been responsible, but they had no evidence connecting him to the scene and nothing was really popping up.

So, they're like, okay, well, this isn't really yielding anything.

So, I guess Michelle said that she and Sean began the affair during a time when she was not happy with her marriage, and that Sean listened to her problems and was there for her.

I bet he was.

That old chestnut.

Yeah, he was like, oh, really?

Zip?

As he, you know,

that's a, oh, that's horrible, zip.

I'm so sorry.

Just put your hand right here.

You deserve so much better.

Like this.

Just put this in your mouth for a minute.

You'll feel much better.

I'm going to take the jumper to the room.

Wow.

He also described how the relationship, she described how the relationship turned physical and how he envisioned their life together with her and the three children and everything, a little picturesque little family.

So the detectives were like, holy shit.

So the officer Baker here, who's investigating, said, in a case like this, our initial activity is to go and lock everybody in on a statement.

Yeah,

and he said, you know, that's obviously.

So then we'll figure out if anybody's lying.

Now, when police asked Michelle about her mother-in-law's discovery about the affair, because this all came from Pat.

Oh, boy.

She denied it all.

Yeah.

She said, I didn't have an affair with Sean to the cops.

What?

Yeah.

She said, I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Then two days later, the investigators came back to the house to talk to her again.

And Officer Baker said, she pulled us aside and said, look, there's something I need to tell you.

I've been involved in a relationship with this man, Sean Fitzpatrick, and I'd like to come sit down and explain that more fully.

In other words, I'd like to come tell you why I lied to you about this and made myself look so guilty just now.

Carve out an afternoon, and I'm going to tell you some filthy stories.

I got some shit.

You ever hear of, you know what goes on at a lake past 10 o'clock?

You ever hear of that?

Whoever's not passed out has a dick in him.

Let's just put it that way.

And even some that are passed out.

It's the lake.

You know how it goes.

Yeah, whatever.

You know, as this goes.

You know.

You know, he said, she said, because I'm concerned that that might have something to do with what happened here.

So now she's concerned.

Two days earlier, she didn't know what they were talking about.

Now she's concerned.

Now she's, yeah.

Interesting.

She was very forthcoming at that point.

So

they said, you know, she was kind of blaming herself a bit.

Yeah.

The officer said from that point forward, she wanted to be, she wanted to explain everything she knew to us and be cooperative.

Yeah.

Because she looks guilty as fuck right now.

You better start looking cooperative pretty fast.

So she tells police that they were just friends at first, her and Uncle Sean, and that all that time together at the lake, they got to be better friends.

And then things got heated up from hugs to kisses to something else.

She said there was sex involved, but it never got to the point of sleeping together.

Yeah, because you're supposed to be back there with your three kids and your in-laws.

That's why it's not going to sleep together.

So that's interesting.

And he had the best of all worlds.

Yeah.

And how does it not get to a point?

Wait, what?

What was the quote?

Shit, that things heated up.

There was sex involved, but it never got to the point of sleeping together.

Like, just actually spending a night together.

We fucking he leaves.

We fucking I leave, I think is what it is.

We fuck at his house and I leave.

What he is leaving, yeah.

We don't actually get to the point of sleeping actually together.

Yeah, that's fucking amazing.

We just have lake sex.

It's much more disgusting, you see.

Oh, yeah.

It's great, you know, because we both have like kind of lake gunk on us.

There's like little pieces of like leaf, leaves and shit stuck to us, and like a burr here and there.

Every once in a while, like a crawdad will pop out of her ass.

It's, you know, it's tough.

So she did promise that she would break it off with Sean.

And

she said that her mother-in-law discovered them and that she made a partial confession to Mike Jr., but never told him the most intimate details.

In other words, she said,

I fooled around, but we never fucked, is what she probably told.

Yeah, the answer is he didn't know.

Yeah.

He didn't know the extent of this shit at all because he wouldn't have been hanging out on the lake with this guy, probably.

Yeah.

So she did promise to break.

And she said, you know, it'll never happen again.

She probably said, we kissed one time, and your mom happened to see it.

And then, you know.

So

they questioned David Spears, the neighbor, as well.

And he said that, yes, his friend, best friend Sean, did have an affair with a married woman.

Spears said, and what he had told me and watching them interact, I do believe from my perspective that they had fallen in love.

Right.

Yeah.

He said, I tried to counsel Sean to say, you know, the old cliche, you know.

God damn it.

Getting real fucking annoyed with you people, you know.

You know,

if you love something, let it go.

If it's

back to you, it's yours.

DMX, okay, thing hanging in my grandmother's bathroom with a pretty good one.

It's a little cold, but DMX said it too.

I'm sure he did.

He ran out of shit to say.

He did a lot of drugs.

He must have ran out of shit to say.

So they're wondering here, they're like, is this

Michelle was lying to him?

Is she telling us the truth?

Like, what the fuck is going on?

Did she?

Is she telling anybody the truth?

Is she involved in this?

Who knows?

So they said, okay, they looked into where she went and all of her movements and everything.

And they found out that she did stop seeing Sean.

Oh.

But they found out that they didn't stop talking on the phone.

all the time for hours at a time, for months.

Yeah.

For months, even after the murder, they were still talking constantly on the phone.

So the cop here says simply she was afraid that Sean, if he disclosed the relationship to Michael, it would devastate her marriage.

And she felt that they could end their romantic part of their romantic relationship, but still be friends.

On top of that, Sean had told her, I'm going to move out if you're not going to be with me.

I'm going to move outside of the freedom area.

So she felt, I think, in a lot of ways, she was just marking time until he packed up and moved.

That's her story to the cop.

She said, okay, we're suspecting this because you had an affair.

You said you had into the affair, but you're on the phone for a long time.

And she said, well, I just didn't want him to tell Michael, so I figured I'd just keep talking to him.

That's your story.

Ma'am.

Is that a good story?

Nope.

It's a bad story, right?

I feel like.

She said that, and the detectives believed her.

Yeah.

They said, okay, those calls were about saving her marriage, not about a conspiracy.

Which

wouldn't you think the opposite?

If she's talking to the guy that she's been having an affair with, who you're concerned may have killed her husband, you figure.

At the moment, that's the only suspect.

Every suspect we've got.

The only motive we've got, anyway.

Yeah, that's so weird.

But they ruled Michelle out as a suspect.

She is a witness, not a suspect, they said, which I would not rule her out nearly so fast.

No,

Not even close to so fast.

Now, Sean's friends don't believe this at all.

David Spears said, you know, the affair, yeah, I could see that.

Sean will cat around with people, but

he said violence from Sean, he's not the type, not the guy.

Never.

Never do it.

Yeah.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

He said that, you know, he said,

besides, I was getting through to him.

Through to him, he was finally seeing that being with a married woman isn't a good idea here, and it's not going to work out.

So Spears said, so I just thought,

I just thought it was, you know,

could,

I could ease him out, you know?

We know, we all know, David.

I know.

Be there and be his counselor, so to speak, and help him back off.

And at times I thought that I was making progress with him.

Okay.

Now,

Sean, they got to talk to Sean, and he says, you know, I have an alibi.

I have a witness to prove I was in New Hampshire that morning, nowhere near the shooting.

So not sure what you're talking about.

I don't know what Michelle's been telling you.

I don't know what's been going on, but I was plowing her, but I didn't kill her husband.

That's a fact.

So they were like, okay, interesting.

They come knock on his door here at like 8.30 at night one night.

And

Sean said that he'd been expecting them.

Yeah.

Because he's been talking to Michelle, so he knows.

Right.

So

he

must have known.

I think he must have known that they would find out about the affair.

He must have because there's local gossip and everything like that.

And David Spears, his friend, said, he started to tell me that, you know,

he'd been a natural suspect because of the, you know,

endless phone calls that they had on their cell phone bills.

I said, yeah, you're right.

You'd be a natural suspect.

Yeah.

So he realizes what's going on here.

So the police come in and right away they ask him, did you have an affair with Michelle?

That's the first thing.

So the officer said, quote, he had denied that there was a relationship of any, you know, of any sort beyond her.

That's the first time I've heard him say that, actually.

So it's okay.

Beyond a friendship with Michelle Zamitti.

And we had heard from several people information, one of his best friends, David Spears, and also from Michelle Zameti herself, that no, in fact, they were involved in an affair, which he denied to us.

That doesn't look good.

And the cop said, though, it was understandable.

He said it was understandable that perhaps this was something that he didn't want to share or didn't want to come out.

They did look him up, and they found he had no violence in his past, no criminal record or anything like that.

So

they weren't really thinking this is the guy, the guy, until he started denying.

They were like, well, that's weird.

Maybe, but they were saying maybe he's just trying, he doesn't want his business in the newspaper, maybe, is all it is.

That's possible.

So they said, you know, we need to talk to this guy.

Now they got me doing it.

God damn it.

See what happens?

Fucking, it rubs off on you.

That's why they're all doing it because they all live in the same area.

So he has an alibi, though.

Yeah.

The officer said he said that he had been home all morning and that he had been outside of his house at a certain time of the morning and that his neighbor, Gert

Dushharm, Gertrude is her name.

Gertrude.

Gert.

She goes by.

Yeah, Gert sounds like a disease.

I got some GERT bubbling up on me.

And walked by and seen him at that time.

And that the time of mourning he'd given us would not have been able to drive from Wakefield, Massachusetts to Freedom, New Hampshire if, in fact, he'd been seen there at that time.

So the officer said he said that that day he'd been seen, I believe it was at 9 a.m.

Now, the earliest the murders could have occurred is 8 a.m., and it's at least a two-hour drive from Boston to New Hampshire

to Freedom.

So they said if Sean's alibi is right, then he was seen in the driveway by a neighbor at 9 o'clock in the morning.

He's not the guy.

It's over.

So Gertrude here said she does her daily routine every morning, not too early.

She puts on her sneakers and goes through a neighborhood walk.

And Sean insists she saw me in my driveway 9 a.m.

when she goes for her walk.

She said, or the detective here said, she said, I saw him after that, much later.

I saw him around 10 or between 10 and 10.30, I think is what she said.

Oh.

Which is plenty of time to be home.

Yeah.

So, yeah, they said that's interesting.

They said the officer said, well, she had been his neighbor for many years, and she said it's the first time she'd ever seen him standing outside of his house in March, in the month of March.

for no apparent reason, just standing there with a mug of coffee.

You know, getting an alibi going.

You know, just getting seen places.

Normally he's outside like doing shit.

This is, he's just standing out there.

Hi, Gert.

Everybody see me?

Hey, Kurt, what time is it?

Yeah.

Hey, Kurt, how are you doing?

Wow, it's a nice day to see Sean, isn't it?

Yeah, that's right.

Nice to see you, Kurt.

The time, Gert.

On this wonderful day of March 13th, 2006, Monday morning.

Isn't it great out here?

I've never been outside before in March.

No, never.

But you know what?

I'm going to change that.

Today's the day.

Today's the day it did talk me into it here.

She said she did her daily walk.

She said that he was leaning against his truck, parked in the driveway, and called out to her as she walked past him.

Make sure you see me, Gert.

Do you see me?

He sent later on sent her a letter stating, and you, Gert, stay healthy.

You're the only one who saw me that morning.

Sends her a letter saying, you know, I need you for an alibi, so don't drop dead on me.

Yeah.

Wow.

Or that could be taken as a threat, honestly.

Take care of your heart, Gert.

Yeah, Kurt.

Keep those morning walks going.

They're good for you, Gert.

Get the blood flowing.

Did you have any heart-healthy cereal?

Anything.

I hear Cheerios are very good for you.

So

Sean also tells police that he first learned of the shootings when he spoke to his friend Paul Taylor on the phone at approximately 9 a.m.

on March 13th.

But they look at his telephone records and it showed that that call didn't happen till 10.34 a.m.

So

in all of his story, 10.30 equals 9 a.m.

Everything he did at 10.30, he just said he did at 9 a.m.

in his story.

Now, he could have just been mistaken.

If you're on lake, if you're, you know, like those stupid coffee mugs say, on lake time,

you might be on lake time and think 10.30 is 9 o'clock.

You know what I mean?

You're so drunken all the time and you stuck your dick in everybody in the neighborhood.

It's 9 o'clock.

It's hard.

It's always 9 somewhere, is the way they put it.

That's when they start drinking, by the way, is 9 a.m., I think.

That's why he says it.

So

he tells the cops here, Sean does, that he immediately went to Gert's house to tell her about the murders, but that she had already learned of the murders during a phone call with Michelle.

Now, Gert said she never spoke to Michelle on the telephone

on that morning or any other morning ever.

By the way, for that matter, and that he did not come over to her house until way later in the day, way, way later in the day, when he walked in and said, Mike's been shot.

It was a hit.

Oh.

So he was planting the narrative right away.

He already solved the case.

It's all solved up.

Well, yeah, he has Guinea and his concrete company.

It's a fucking hit, obviously.

Duh.

All right.

Look for somebody else with an Italian last name.

Anyway,

I'll be going to the Irish bar tonight.

I'll be on the lake.

See you guys.

I'll be on the lake.

His phone records

also show that he spoke to his friend Spears at 12:29 p.m.

In that conversation, he revealed the details that hadn't been established yet.

He told Spears that Michael Jr.

had been killed at 8 a.m.,

although the police had received a 911 call for Michael Sr.

at about 8 a.m.

At that point, they had not established a time of death or announced it to anybody.

It just happened that morning.

So there'd be no announcement of shit like that.

He also,

when speaking to other people, he said that he didn't know

anything about the shooting at all.

So Sean told Spears that in addition to Gert seeing him, he also received a call.

So he's got two alibis.

And Spears had told him, quote, I said, hey,

geez, that's great.

You'll be able to, you know.

through cell phone triangulation, be able to show that you were up in the lakes region, say 7.30 or 8.30 or whenever it was.

And there's no way you could have been in those two places at the same time.

Right.

Then they checked his cell phone phone records.

By the way, he could not have gotten a call at 9 a.m.

because his phone was turned off the entire morning up until 9.45 a.m.

What?

The entire morning.

Why would he do that?

Weird.

Strange, right?

Bizarre.

If you're going to kill somebody and turn your, this is like the Brian Koberger thing.

Yeah.

Because his location was off just during the time of the murders for like two hours.

In airplane mode or some shit.

If you are going to do that to establish, you need to like for a year.

It's consistent.

You need to turn your phone off and on all the time for a year.

Sometimes it's off for four hours.

Sometimes it's not.

It has to be completely ran.

Otherwise, that's not going to work.

That shows exactly when you were murdering someone.

That's all it does.

You might as well like point a big arrow at it.

See, this is my murder time in here when my phone was off.

This is what I do.

You're giving it away.

So Keith Morrison on a dateline interview here with Officer Baker says, I'm assuming that the light bulb goes off, goes on in somebody's head at that, on the investigation and says, oh, he left his phone at home so that he wouldn't be, and trails off.

And the officer says, that's a conclusion we came to based on his knowledge.

He spoke to one of his friends about his knowledge that cell phones could be tracked.

And we knew that he was a former employee of Verizon.

So he probably knew shit like that.

Oh, he's got, yeah.

Well,

again, that's

a lineman.

Yeah.

But he's probably still hurt.

Hey, you know, these things got GPS on them.

You know that, right?

Like, take a trek.

Is that right?

Yeah, wow.

So

they want to do that.

And the officer said, as we looked into other things that he had explained or other things that we knew about him at that point, we found further inconsistencies.

He said we made further attempts to discuss that with Sean, and he was unwilling to talk further about it with us.

So then he clams up after all this.

He's

in the midst of trying to clear it all up and he's up and he's super cooperative.

And they find a couple of fuck-ups in the story.

And he goes, I'm not talking anymore.

Which, again,

I'm not taking questions all this time.

You would have looked less guilty just saying, I'm not talking at all ever in the beginning.

You would have looked less guilty just saying, I always have a lawyer if I talk to cops.

That would have been fine.

Look at me.

I'm a late guy.

I don't know what I'm.

You guys are going to trick me.

I've been drunk for 10 years.

I'm still dumb.

I'm an idiot at this point.

Son rotted this brain.

I got to go.

Between the bush light and the bush light and the late gash, I'm really out of sorts here.

It's wild.

So the officer said we had to dig deeper on our own here.

And so then

there's quite the big clue that pops up.

There's a bunch of break-ins in the area.

Oh.

And they said, and also at this point, every other road they've gone on, professional things, personal things, business things, everything's hit a dead end.

Sean's the only one that there keeps being more open road in front of him that they can keep investigating here.

So they said they kept uncovering more inconsistencies.

They said when we went to see Sean, there seemed to open up another door after another door.

On his street, somebody was breaking into homes

by the lake, Freedom, New Hampshire.

It started on March 12th, the day before the murders.

Oh.

But the break-ins weren't discovered till two weeks later when when the people who were in those, that owned those places came to see them.

Sure.

Just came to visit for the weekend or whatever.

So in one neighbor's memory, there had never been a house break anywhere in the area in the last 15 years he could recall.

And then suddenly there was three.

Whoa.

And one of them belonged to Mike Zamitti Sr., who lives right across the street from Sean.

Want to know what was taken in those break-ins?

What?

Well, the officer says one of the things that was obviously of interest to us was a shotgun.

What?

As well as several other guns were missing from the home.

And the caliber of the shotgun, 16-gauge shotgun, is missing from Mike Zamitti Sr.'s house taken the day before the murders.

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Directly across the street from Sean's house.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

So.

At this point here,

they have a new suspect.

Oh?

Because as they're investigating this, they notice notice something else when they're investigating the break-ins.

Because they think maybe it's Sean, but then they're like, oh, wait, maybe it's not.

Maybe it's this guy.

Okay.

A detective of the Wakefield Police Department, accompanied by a state trooper, went into Freedom to look into the suspicious house breakings to see if they were connected to this murder case.

Two of the houses, obviously, were of interest.

One of them, Michael Sr., where a 16-gauge shotgun was discovered to be missing, same as the murder weapon.

And

the summer home of a man named Fred Martin, who lives across the street from Michael Sr.

and next door to Sean.

This was next door to Sean's driveway is this guy's house, Fred Martin.

And while they are looking at his property, they see a truck in the driveway of Fred Martin that looks real familiar.

Whose truck is it?

Well, it's a green Thord F-150 pickup truck with an extended cab matching a suspicious vehicle that was picked up on surveillance footage the morning of the murder in the area.

A truck they couldn't place to any of the employees or anything.

So it's a mystery truck.

It's a green F-150, yeah, parked in this guy, Fred Martin's driveway.

Now, they said this truck was very consistent with a video that we had of All-State Concrete in Wakefield.

The surveillance video showed a dark pickup truck driving by All-State Concrete just before the murders.

And a short time later on the camera, Michael Zamitti Jr.'s white pickup is seen on New Salem Street as he drove to work.

On another camera on a building far away from All State Concrete, Chester Roberts is seen walking to work.

It's just before 8 a.m., so that's very important.

They said, we saw our victim's vehicle driving in, and then we saw what appeared to be an unknown motor vehicle that we all thought was consistent with perhaps a Ford pickup truck.

That is what's sitting in the driveway.

It's a grainy video, but they think it's, they all said, is that an F-150?

It looks like an F-150.

So the officer said, had the video just been clear, we felt that we would have,

that it would have been a tremendous piece of evidence.

But at that point, it wasn't useful by itself without more information.

But Fred Martin, if he owns that truck, he's a suspect right now.

Yeah.

And he knows everybody and everything else.

So they said, is it Fred?

What the fuck?

So they said, the next door neighbor, we got in communication with him.

Fred Martin was in Florida.

where he is for the winter.

But he could have came home and went back.

We don't know.

So they said, do you mind if we take possession of the truck?

And he said, no problem.

He's also about 75 years old.

So they're like, hmm, this isn't fitting.

No.

This doesn't fit at all.

This isn't good, but it's his truck.

What's going on?

So the cop said he was very cooperative with us.

He explained that he'd been in Florida all the time,

all the time of the timeframe in question.

Sure.

And that he leaves his pickup truck in New Hampshire and it's in the driveway secured there.

So, by the way, Fred was one of the houses that was broken into.

Oh.

And they said nothing valuable was taken from his house, but maybe it's the keys.

So, and the officer said they're looking at this truck, and they said, when we saw it, we weren't sure what to make of it.

The detective said that while he and Baker were examining the truck, Sean next door pops out of his house.

He said he comes to the front part of his yard with a rake and just starts to rake the same spot over and over again.

Hi, guys.

I'm just here to.

Real inconspicuous.

Yeah.

I got a real tough spot.

And they said, by the way, there was snow on the ground.

So what the fuck are you raking?

He's just raking.

He came out with a rake in the snow and just raked up a spot for some reason while they were overlooking this truck.

See what they got.

Could that be more obvious?

They said the rear window of the cab of the truck was broken and plastic tape covered the hole.

When the police went back and studied the surveillance video, they said the truck on the video also had what appeared to be a broken rear window.

Oh.

So they're like, this looks like his truck.

They said, but it's a fuzzy picture.

Might be a truck.

You know, who knows here?

So the cops said at that point, we're still going through a number of leads, and this was an important lead, but it wasn't the only lead we're working on here.

So they asked, you know,

they said, they asked if they could take the truck.

They asked Fred Martin, can we take the truck and do, you know, lab work on it?

And he said, sure, I won't be up there for fucking months.

So go ahead.

So they took swabbings of the vehicle and the steering wheel and other items for DNA, for everything, fingerprints.

They really processed the shit out of it.

Following his conversation, Fred Martin uses the internet on his own, by the way.

He just looks in and he decides to investigate a little on his own.

And he does.

He checks for his activity on his EasyPass account.

Now, if you're not unsure if you live somewhere where they don't have tolls,

any place with tolls, you get an EasyPass pass on your car.

That way you don't have to stop at a toll booth.

You just drive through and it dings it and bills it automatically.

Any city in this country that doesn't have it, you're missing out on an opportunity to catch all the murder.

All the murder.

Just put those everywhere and you'll have all the murders done.

Don't charge much.

Charge a penny.

No, no, no.

Even charge free.

Yeah.

Just when they pass by a light, you're going to know it and you'll have all the murderers everywhere.

So he checks that out and the officer said, Mr.

Martin later contacted me and said, you know, after you took my truck, he says, you know, too, you know,

after you took my truck, it made me think I have an easy pass on my truck.

And I just went online to see if my easy pass had been used that day.

And lo and behold, my truck went through the Dover Tolls that morning shortly before 8.30 a.m.

going northbound back to New Hampshire.

The Dover Tolls is one of three toll booths on the highway between Boston and New Hampshire.

And they said, well,

Keith Morrison on Dateline said, well, wouldn't the person have had to go through several tolls to get there, not just one?

No.

Yes.

Really?

They said, that was our belief, too.

And we were confused by that point.

But then they spoke with state transportation officials, and the guy said that vehicle,

or Mr.

Martin's transponder anyway, had driven through all six tolls.

Oh.

On all six occasions, it paid cash.

That's why.

Oh.

They didn't have it.

And what had occurred is on one of those transactions, the toll collector inadvertently accepted both the transponder transaction and collected the cash.

Double charged him.

That's the only reason that it was even on the fucking EasyPass.

So if that employee didn't double charge Sean or didn't double charge whoever's driving this truck, they don't have any EasyPass tolls and that truck, they can't connect it to the scene at all.

Holy.

So one incompetent toll booth employee.

Outside of policy, double charging son of a bitch.

Think about who the heroes in this story are.

A telemarketer

and

an incompetent toll booth employee.

These are so far

are heroes in this fucking story.

That is mind-blowing.

Yeah.

Holy shit.

So the cop said it was simply a mistake on the toll collector's behalf.

He simply screwed up.

Now, so they got a written,

he signed a waiver to get all of his EasyPass records, and they find out that on the morning of the shootings, Fred Martin's EasyPass had traveled southbound to New Hampshire through toll plazas in Rochester at 6.40 a.m., Dover at 6.51 a.m., and through the Hampton Toll Plaza at 7.04 a.m.

At each toll plaza, the driver of the vehicle paid cash and the electronic transaction was canceled.

His transponder was also recorded going northbound through the same three toll plazas that morning at 8.29 a.m., 8.41 a.m., and 8.51 a.m.

at Rochester.

Exactly driving in beforehand and leaving afterwards.

It just couldn't be better.

So again, they paid in cash.

The guy didn't cancel a transaction.

So after receiving this information, a trooper drove from Freedom to Wakefield to determine whether the activity on the EasyPass was consistent with someone arriving at All State just before 8 a.m.

He testified later on on that he left Freedom at 5.44 and arrived at All State just over two hours later at 7.54.

So they put everything together and they said that they put the toll receipts and he drove southbound at 648, 657, 714.

It all tracks.

It's all matching up.

So, and the officer said, yes, why else would you have a transponder and pay cash unless you don't want anybody to know that the transponder is traveling through the toll plaza?

Right.

That's the only reason.

So, yeah, the officer said when you see the troll, the toll transactions, the troll toll, as we

the troll, the toll transactions that correspond to the times of all six transactions, corresponding exactly with the times that the truck is seen on video and that the truck is seen on video has the same unique characteristics as the one in the driveway, what appears to be a broken rear window as Mr.

Martin's, I think it's a reasonable conclusion to draw here.

Yeah, I would say so.

They still have to put him in the truck, though.

How do you put him in the truck?

What do you do?

So they also review surveillance footage from cameras at businesses located everywhere, and they're trying to get a better shot of the green pickup truck.

The first footage of it is at 7.38 a.m.

when it appears to pass All State without stopping.

Then a minute later...

You see Michael Jr.'s come in, and then the green truck appears again as it travels down New Salem Street a second time and enters the All-State parking lot.

In the footage, you can see Chester as well.

At 7.48 a.m., the green truck can be seen leaving the parking lot, driving northbound on New Salem Street.

So that is right when Chester would have got there.

He literally would have got there, started to walk up the steps, said, oh shit, ran away, got shot, done.

So then a red pickup truck, resembling the one driven by Michael Sr., enters the All-State parking lot at 8.02.

Missed it by 14 minutes.

Although

Fred Martin said, obviously, I never authorized anyone to be in my truck and had never seen my truck.

So, never seen him in my truck.

Sean starts to freak out

at this point.

He tells his friend David he feels like a target.

David said, as we were walking, he said, my phone must be bugged.

I got to hang up.

And he hung up the phone on me.

That bothered me.

March 20th, 2006, Michelle sets Sean up.

How?

With a secretly recorded phone conversation.

Oh, Michelle.

Yep.

She sits in the Rockingham Mall in New Hampshire with a cop in the car with her and makes a phone call.

And Sean says, she asked, how you feeling?

And Sean says, how I'm feeling.

And she says, yeah.

And he said, sick, sick for Michael.

Sick for you.

Sick for everyone that's been affected by this.

Oh.

And that's what he's saying.

And obviously he doesn't know that she's with a cop there.

So

she

was starting to think that Sean might have done this, so she agreed to this.

And also, it makes her look less fucking guilty, too.

Certainly.

Yeah, it helps her tremendously.

If you're her, you better cooperate just to the top of the mountains because you look guilty.

So Sean said,

Sean said the nonsense of it, you know?

If there's a God, why?

He said shit like that.

They talked for two hours.

The trooper was asking Michelle to steer the conversation and, you know, maybe see if Sean will, because Sean doesn't know that Michelle has told the cops about the affair yet.

So he just knows that they know about it, but he doesn't know that they, why, how they know.

So they're like, they're trying to see if Sean would tell her to like lie about it.

You know, hey, don't tell the cops about us.

So Michelle said, you know, the only thing that does make sense probably at this point is the love triangle.

And that scares the shit out of me.

Which sounds like just a straight accusation at Sean at that point, right?

The love triangle.

The love triangle.

Sean says, you know, Jesus, they all do it.

You know,

when they come back to talk to me and I'm just going to tell them, you know, what I guess we said all along, yep, we're good friends.

Yep, we talk a lot.

And out of respect for the family, I don't really think that it's, you know, anything more than we really want to talk about.

So Michelle says, and what about the hug?

Yeah.

Meaning the one we got caught on that time by mom, mother-in-law there.

So Sean says, I guess if they ask me, you know, if we're having an affair, I think I'll say it's another no.

My definition of an affair was having sex.

So, you know, so, you know, he says it twice.

So, you know, so you know, I think that's just what I'll say to police.

You know, people like to talk.

I hate them so much.

I'd like to tell everyone in the Boston area, we know.

We get it.

We know.

We just know.

We all know.

We all get it.

Jesus Christ.

They've replaced wicked with, you know.

Yeah.

It's too much.

So that's what she says.

He tells her not to worry.

I'm tired of being labeled as a guy that just says wicked all the time, you know?

You know?

I'm a guy that wants you to know.

That's what it really is.

I'm just sick and tired of it.

Tired.

Tired.

So

Sean tells Michelle not to worry.

He has an alibi.

His neighbor saw him outside that morning.

And Michelle said, if you have a solid concrete thing, why?

What?

Why did they always,

always,

always

have something to say like that?

Don't use the word concrete, please.

Please don't.

Good Lord.

If you have a solid concrete thing, then

it would relieve me of feeling.

So she's saying, if you have a solid alibi, I won't think that you're a murderer anymore and I won't feel bad.

So Sean said, well, I do have a solid concrete thing.

Gert saw me.

Gert saw me.

So old Gert, yeah.

Like I said, that was about 9.15 or 9.30.

So I was seen, I was here, I spoke with someone.

So at one point, he says this.

It sounds to me like it was very professional.

He's going to opine on the murder now.

It sounds to me like it was very professional.

And I said to them, I said,

I don't know.

You know, is the mafia involved?

And they would go, well, why would you think organized crime is involved?

And I said, I don't know.

I said, I don't know.

Is it because they're Italian?

They worked on the big dig?

Yeah.

You can't even, you can't even die.

You can't even have a fucking love triangle and die.

You know?

What the fuck, man?

Enough already.

So anyway, then he says, then he says, I feel dirty and unclean.

There's two words.

There's

the same shit.

I feel filthy also.

Do you need a shower?

Is that also a feeling?

And I do.

I feel guilty.

I feel guilty, you know.

I feel guilty because, you know, I would have liked to have seen Michael be weekend dad.

I wanted to be with his wife.

So I feel guilty about that.

Uh-oh.

He's like, I was trying to steal his wife, not have him die.

Michelle said, but not until he died or got killed.

And Sean said, no, I did not want that.

And then he says this, to be perfectly honest with you, you know, I had, you know, not shitting you.

I always thought of, you know,

well, geez, you know, if Michael had an accident, I mean, and that, and that kills me to think about that.

The only time I would have had a thought like that, you know, I'd be like, Jesus, don't.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Like, like,

I'd be like, Jesus, don't even think like that, you know.

And on now, all of a sudden, something like this happens so yeah i feel guilty and it's like you know be careful what you wish for yeah i will wow and she said i'm so upset that i had her let you put your penis inside of me because all you say is you know how did i how did you convince me of this yeah

So that was odd.

She told him how she was going to try to cope with the sudden loss of her husband and the police investigation.

And he said, you should answer the police questions the way they want you to, you know, because it's a professional job.

Yeah.

So there's that.

And he said he was, he was good.

And,

but Michelle also said he mentioned that he was at Freedom Market or Mary Ann's getting coffee and that his neighbor saw him that morning.

In the past, he said Michael would be a weekend dad.

Sean also said he wasn't okay with me and Michael being together.

So they don't really have, he doesn't confess to anything.

He doesn't say anything incriminating.

He just kind of sets the tone of trying to shape a story in the way he wants it to be seen type of thing.

Yeah.

And it's a long ride up to freedom from there.

That's two hours.

Yeah.

Two more ride.

That's two hours there, two hours back.

So they don't know what to do with Sean here.

They need a break.

The truck that went there is next door to him.

Yeah.

That house was broken into.

He could have very easily had a key.

They're very suspicious.

So they need something.

Then they realize that his truck with the license plate oh to be me yeah

he's driving with an expired driver's license they figured out they were looking up everything and one guy goes his fucking driver's license is expired next time he's out there pull his ass over and arrest him yeah so they do they arrest him they take him to headquarters he made bail right away but you know what they do when you get arrested they take your fingerprints yeah and they didn't have his fingerprints before oh

but they do have an envelope with a big fat palm print on it yeah so that's what they're thinking about they want his palm print.

Oh, the palm print was on the inside flap of the envelope.

That's good.

That's whoever fucking sent it.

So they said that the cop said what they found was a very clear palm print on the inside flap of that letter.

Everyone involved certainly wanted to find out whose palm print that was.

And they said, we found that his palm print was a perfect match to the palm print on the inside of that envelope.

Uh-oh.

So they said, okay, that's interesting.

And the the attorney general here said, the only person that's going to send a letter like that is someone who's trying to mislead the police.

And if you're not the murderer, why would you want to do that?

Why would you do it?

Yeah.

Why would you do that?

So now they're like, we loves to get some DNA.

Because, and they, away, they're going to do this.

There's a second letter, but not a mystery letter, one that they know is from Sean because he addressed it and signed it to Michelle.

It's a sympathy card he sent to Michelle for Michael being killed.

Stop being so nice.

They said that envelope was sealed.

Yeah.

Think he licked it?

Probably.

And he said, probably.

So they get the car and they get the DNA off of there.

And if there's human DNA, it's going to be his because no one else could have done it.

So it's his DNA on there.

Then Fred Martin, the guy with the pickup truck.

back to him.

You know, they're talking about that.

They go, they found there's DNA on the steering wheel and on the car keys that didn't belong to Fred.

Nice work, guys.

Not bad.

So it was recovered from the vehicle's steering wheel and contained a DNA from a mixture of at least two people with the major profile being a match for Sean.

Uh-oh.

That's not good.

Also was included as a potential contributor to the minor profile of a mixture of DNA that was found on a key to the truck that was inside the vehicle when they took it into possession.

And in the truck bed, they recovered an uncoiled wire coat hanger that had been bent in a way that you could unlock a door with without keys.

You made into a slim chip.

So he keeps the keys in the car with the door locked.

Right.

So he has the key.

When he comes back from Florida, he opens it.

It's in there.

But if you want to get into the car and drive it, you need to get into the car.

So that is interesting.

The DNA testing on the coat hanger yielded inconclusive results.

Really?

Yes.

So, but everything else belongs to Sean.

In the car, on the keys, it's all Sean.

So that's not good.

Now, there's no fingerprints otherwise at the murder scene.

There's no DNA at the murder scene.

No tire tracks in the parking lot.

No murder weapon to compare it to.

No eyewitnesses.

Not a lot.

All they have on Sean is that

he staged a fake alibi, which doesn't look good.

Nope.

Then he told friends and police that he'd been in his driveway that whole morning.

He

even made sure to park his bright red pickup truck with personalized plates out in the open.

By the way, that truck is always in his garage unless he's driving it.

But this morning, it's out there.

So it would look like he'd been home the whole time.

So everyone could go, no, I saw his truck in the driveway.

Saw it there.

Saw it there at 7.50.

You know, it couldn't have been him.

Leaning on Gertrude, trying to get her to use her morning walk as proof of presence.

But then she apparently checks her watch before she does everything.

Oh, really?

She's just an old lady who's obsessed with times.

Inconsistencies in his calls, telling police that he heard about the shootings around 9 from a friend when phone records say that the call didn't come in till 1034.

That's not good.

He used the truck that's stolen with EasyPass records and the steering and his DNA is on the steering wheel.

This does not look good.

Good at all.

And also staged the fake burglaries in the neighborhood to get the murder weapon and to make it look like there was some other shit going on.

He should have robbed his own house if he was going to do that too.

Get himself out of suspicion.

So June 6th, 2006, the New Hampshire State Police arrest

Fitzpatrick without incident at his job at the Pooper Trooper place in Madison, New Hampshire.

Now,

they're going to sit down and talk to him.

The threatening letter, he admits he sent it.

Really?

He said, I did send it.

And they were like, okay, then you're super guilty.

And he said, no, I'm not guilty.

I didn't do it.

He said, I am just,

he said, I didn't kill anyone.

His lawyer released a statement.

He's very upset over the deaths of Michael Zimitti and Chester Roberts.

He said he didn't kill anyone.

He says to the cops, quote, I was in bed.

I wasn't in Massachusetts.

I certainly didn't do this.

I had nothing to do with these homicides.

Nope, no way.

Nope.

No way, no how.

So

the problem is, yeah,

the letters, he said he sent the letter

because he knew that because he had an affair with Michelle, that they would look at him, even though he didn't do it.

He wanted to push suspicion away from him.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Innocent people are going to do that.

All right.

Sean's family, or I'm sorry, not Sean's family, Mike's family, files

a wrongful death suit against Sean now once he's arrested.

Really?

As soon as he's arrested, wrongful death suit.

It included in this a $2.5 million attachment on real estate, cars, and bank accounts granted by a judge.

In other words,

he's not allowed to get rid of anything up to $2.5 million.

You have to hold on to that.

Okay.

Because that could be a judgment.

So the suit is happening here.

The family petitions to attach his assets, and

the judge warned that Fitzpatrick should not be forewarned about the petition because he may try to convey, dissipate, or conceal or otherwise hide property from the court.

You know how that goes.

Yeah.

Fucking, yeah,

that's a thing.

So that's all these fucking scumbags.

Yeah.

Do that.

February 2007,

Sean's Freedom Lake home burns to the fucking ground.

Really?

Yeah, he's in jail too, so he didn't do it.

He's sitting in jail awaiting trial here.

So it is completely destroyed by flames.

An article said, this is some writing here, quote, smoke-muddied icicles hung from charred timbers below a coil of steam rising from the heap of rubble still smoldering on Tuesday morning.

Very poetic about somebody's life.

Their whole being being destroyed here.

So it burned to the foundation.

Gone.

And gone.

I mean, fucking done.

The trails they found that, you know, there's trails all over here.

They said there's,

it's arson, by the way, too.

Yeah.

They said trails led from the street near the arson site to the Zamidi's heating fuel tank

across the street, and several tracks ran up to an enormous barn on a large sweeping side yard.

The snow-crusted steps were littered with charred bits of wood and other scorched materials, apparently left by boots fresh from the nearby crime scene where the investigation happened.

Yeah.

So they said that the police chief up there said emergency responders had walked the Zamidi's yard to make sure heat and power had been turned back on.

So that's where the footsteps were.

So they have no idea of anything then.

They said that the fire marshals were sifting through the mess, investigating the cause of the blaze, trying to figure it out.

They do believe it's arson, like we said.

They posted officers on the scene overnight to keep onlookers away from stepping into the yard and doing all that shit.

Locals said the home had been empty with the power shut off for an extended period because he's been in fucking jail.

So they said that it's clearly arson, but they hadn't, no one will ever be charged for this.

Wow.

Yeah.

What are we thinking here?

What do you do?

Did, and this is totally alleged or whatever.

Did Sean have his buddy do this?

Got to, right?

To save him a little?

What else is there?

For lawyer money, yeah.

It has to be.

Now they have, that's part of, that house is part of the $2.5 million attachment to that lawsuit.

Okay.

That's on there.

The home was at 66 Intervale Avenue.

So they're talking about that.

No suspects have been named.

Okay, 2008 trial.

Yeah.

Now here's where shit gets Karen Reedy, and we'll talk about why after this trial.

The first thing is the defense wants to put forward an alternate suspect.

Wasn't our guy.

It was somebody else.

They want to cast suspicion on Ricky Calley.

Yeah.

Remember him?

Yeah.

The guy that sued from 1995, 11 years before the murders.

Well, Well, Sean argues that Callie had motive to commit the crimes, that Michael Sr.

had threatened to knock Callie's mother's house down with a bulldozer.

So that's something.

And Callie had not been happy with the settlement terms that they made financially, and that he had several shotguns.

Oh.

The judge allows this.

Oh.

They're going to allow the alternate suspect theory here.

Okay.

Even though it's 11 years earlier, and they probably had opportunity sometime in the last 11 years years to figure this out.

The evidence also established that Sean had the opportunity to commit the crimes here.

They said that between, it's two hours between the residence and the concrete company and everything like that.

No one saw him until after 10 a.m., just over two hours after the murders.

That's not good.

He'd been

also.

And also, he had been to the all-state concrete building in the past, so he knew exactly where it was.

That's where it is.

He had been been there earlier in the prior year to pick up a sander for Michael Sr.

So he knew the layout of the place.

He knew exactly how long it took to get there and everything like that.

So that's interesting.

Here they have all the easy pass records and the tolls and the paying with cash and everything like that.

The DNA matched the major profile of the DNA found on the steering wheel and he's the minor DNA contributor to the truck key.

There's also testimony that the position of Martin's truck when police found it was different from how Martin left it.

Oh.

You know where you left your car.

You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

And how you left it.

Exactly how you left it.

And that also supports the inference that somebody took it here.

And also,

so the prosecutor says about this:

says, Michelle Zamidi says, I'm not going to leave Michael.

I'm going to be with Michael unless something happens to him.

Three weeks later, he gets hit with a 16-gauge shotgun shotgun blast in the face, ripping his head apart.

It is a jury, so you got to

really be sensationalistic.

The prosecutor said that, you know, the problem was it was a complex, circumstantial case.

Yeah.

But they said, so the prosecution's telling the jury, there's not going to be an eyewitness.

It's more about do the circumstances fit so that no one else could have committed the crime.

Okay.

Is the noose tightened up enough over the picture?

A loose noose around.

Are we tightening it up enough for him to joke?

Loose noose.

They said that they had to get outside of court, they were saying they had to get the jurors to believe that Sean took that pickup truck and drove it.

That's the only way it'll work.

They said that obviously he couldn't do it in his own truck.

It's a red pickup truck with a vanity plate.

Those get attention, man.

Doesn't blend in exactly.

The prosecutor said that was one of the reasons why he had to take another vehicle.

If he had ever driven down that street with O to Be Me on his front license plate on that big red truck, it would have been so clear,

even on the surveillance.

They said that a truck like Fred Martin's was seen on the videos, and that was the one that they found his DNA on.

They also said the probability of a randomly selected, unrelated individual having a DNA profile matching the major profile from the one sample, the one on the steering wheel, was one in 931,100 for the Caucasian population, one in

212,700 in the African-American population, and one in 586,900 of the Hispanic population.

So one in 931,000 is pretty good.

Not bad, yeah.

Not bad, because he is certainly very Caucasian.

I'm saying he's one in almost a million.

Not bad.

The probability of a randomly selected person having contributed to the minor profile was about one in 377 of the Caucasian population.

That's way less, but that's the key.

That's the key key one.

So he would have touched that way less than a steering wheel.

A key, you turn once, you turn it off, and that's that.

He touched it probably four times the whole time, whereas, you know, different.

So Robert Calley, the guy, or I'm sorry, Ricky Calley, the guy that they're accusing here, he testifies too.

And number one, testifies to his alibi for that morning, not having anything there, testifies that he doesn't even think about this shit with all-state concrete anymore.

And also that, yes, he certainly does own shotguns, a 12-gauge and a 20 gauge.

Notice this in there?

Yeah.

Not a 16 gauge.

Exactly.

So then they get Fred Martin up there and they say, did Sean Fitzpatrick ever drive your truck?

And he said, no, he hasn't.

Never.

They said, has he ever been inside your truck at all?

And he said, no, he hasn't.

Oh.

Okay.

Gertrude gets up there.

No, Gert.

And yeah, Sean claims that between 9 and 9.30

is when he saw Gert.

She, it's great.

She tells the jury, and when you get like an older lady up there telling you, this is my routine, you believe her.

She does it every day.

And she said she always checks her watch right before going on her walk every time because he wants to know how long it takes her to walk.

Oh, right, right, right.

Always checks it.

And they said, what time was it?

And she said, it was either 10 a.m.

or 5 past at the most.

They said, was it unusual to see Mr.

Fitzpatrick when you took your walk?

And she said, just standing there leaning on his truck?

Yes, that was unusual.

That was bizarre.

Yeah.

They get Michael's parents up here.

So Michael Sr.'s got to testify to the horrific shit that he saw, which sucks.

He said, I went upstairs and found my son shot in the head.

And the prosecutor says, now, sir, Michael Sr.

says, and, and the prosecutor says, when you went downstairs and Michael Sr.

says, let me finish.

This is your side.

And he's like, hey, that's how surly.

I like Michael Sr.

He's surly.

Hey, let me finish.

You called me up here.

You want to hear me talk or not?

I'm not done.

He said, let me finish, okay?

He said, and I went up to my son.

I hugged him and I kissed him on the face.

He needed to get that out in open court.

He just needed to get it out.

Because

that makes Mike a human now rather than you just saw a corpse and walked downstairs.

He wanted to say,

that's my son.

And I told him I loved him, and then I called my wife and I told her.

So they,

yeah, they said that, did you tell the police that in the 20 years you worked in the big dig, you made a lot of people angry?

That's the cross-examination.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean, people died.

What are you doing?

That's what I mean.

Okay.

Mike Sr.

said, I didn't make them angry.

I made them my friends, because if I didn't make them my friends, I would have had no business.

Right.

Which is also true.

They also bring Pat in there, his mom, Mike's mom.

And she said that for a couple years, she'd been growing worried about the amount of time that Michelle was spending with Sean.

And they said, how often did you observe them together?

And she said, too often.

She said, well, every time she came up with the children, she was there with him more than she was there with her family.

And then she said, it wasn't until she saw them in a too intimate embrace that she decided to tell them.

Yeah.

She said, I was very, very upset.

I was actually speechless.

I didn't know what to say.

They were both shocked to see me, and I turned around and walked out.

Um, the crazy shit is during this trial,

she is Michelle, is sitting with the Zamidis arm in arm.

Really?

Oh, yeah, they're all one united front, man.

They forgive her, and if they don't think she killed him, then whatever.

But still, I'd be like, you're fucking bullshit because you needed to get a little side dick.

Now my kid's dead, fuck you.

I'd be so mad.

Michelle testifies.

And now the prosecution is saying that, you know, Sean acted alone and contends that Michael broke or Michelle broke off the affair with Sean several weeks before the murders.

And Michelle's Amiti had testified on the witness stand to this.

However, the defense brings out under cross-examination that, well, if you were so disgusted with him, you had to break up with him and all that, why'd you continue to have contact with him right up until the weekend prior to the murders?

Why'd you do that?

Yeah.

And she said, well, they said, as a matter of fact, how come you engaged in more than 30 phone calls between the time you claim to have severed the affair and the time of the killings?

How's that work?

That's a lot of phone calls.

She says, Michelle, well, after I got married, everything changed.

I didn't think Michael respected me as much as he used to, and I didn't feel loved.

So they said, as a result of your relationship with Michael and

the deterioration that was going on, did you start to become attracted to someone?

She said, yes.

They said, who was that?

She said, Sean.

So she said, he played with my kids and we spent hours on the phone talking.

And during one of those calls, Sean said this.

Michelle says, saying to me, if I'm out of line and you never want me to say this again, then let me know.

But I've fallen in love with you.

That's what Sean said.

So they said, did you tell him he was out of line?

And Michelle said, no.

Let him play with my kids.

Yeah, let him fuck.

And I sucked him off.

It was, you know.

So I call my sits.

Yeah,

exactly.

They said, did you ever, did he ever talk to you about leaving Michael?

And she said, all the time.

She said that he wrote her poetry and self-published a volume dedicated to her.

You fucking toolbag.

What a dork.

Jesus.

They said, and it says by S.D.

on the phone, on the poem book.

Do you know who S.D.

is?

Sean.

Well, she said it was a joke between him and I.

It was a nickname, Shawnee Dangerous.

Oh, my God.

I hate this man.

He is such a dork.

I really hate this guy.

Between his license plate and that shit, I'm done.

I'm done with him.

Shawnee Dangerous.

Oh, my God.

What a dork.

They said, no, it says first edition, January 17, 2005.

Below are a group of initials.

Do you know what these initials stand for?

And

she said, the day I said I love you.

That's what it was to him.

She put the date on there.

Or he put the date on there.

She admitted that even after she was caught in the embrace, she hid from her husband the intimate details and the full extent.

She gave him a half-confession, along with a warning, it's because our marriage is shitty.

Right.

Like, well, maybe if you weren't fucking people, our marriage wouldn't be shitty.

We can play chicken and egg all fucking day here.

You know what I mean?

Put your kids away.

Yeah, it's not going to be better if you fuck people.

That's not going to help the marriage.

I know that.

So Michelle said, I told Mike that I didn't love him anymore the way that two people should love one another.

And he asked, is Sean the new guy or what?

And I said, you're letting him, you're letting him be.

But Michelle also said that Michael was not about to give up on his marriage.

She said he seemed sincere and serious and that he would go to counseling and try to work on problems that we had.

So that's when she decided to give it another chance because he seems so sincere.

And she's got three goddamn kids with this guy, little ones.

So she said, I tried to end it without hurting his feelings, meaning Sean, at least until Michael and I could know whether or not we were going to work things out.

But after Michael's mother walked in on the hug, the family doubted that Michelle had ended the relationship and Sean wasn't prepared to accept that it was over.

Michelle said she told Sean some other shit here.

Michelle said, I told him that I wasn't going to leave my husband.

The only way I would leave him,

the only way that he and I would have the opportunity to be ever together in our future was if something happened to Michael.

That sounds

if you say that, then if someone, that's almost like an in an

like you,

like a like an involuntary conspiracy or something.

Like you, you started a ball rolling that you didn't realize was a ball roll.

The only way I could is if I was no longer married because he didn't exist.

Because he, you know, whether, I don't know whether he

got

died possibly or, you know, just ran away.

You know what I mean?

So that's tough.

That's a tough one here.

And they said, well, how did he react?

Sean, meaning.

And she said he pounded his fist down on the table.

And I said to him, I sense a little Dr.

Jekyll and Mr.

Hyde here, which I had never seen from Sean before.

And then he stuffed her into her car and slammed the door.

So that's, oh, I guess I'd never seen that.

So during the the cross-examination of Michelle, because if you're the defense, this is, this is your field day.

Yeah.

Because, you know, she's got caught in a lot of lies and everything else.

So they said, so you continued to call him on a regular basis.

And Michelle said, yes, I did.

They said, right up until the weekend before March 13th.

She said, yes, I did.

They said, didn't you call him 30 times just because you were afraid he'd tell your husband, didn't you?

And she said, there were lots of reasons why I continued to contact Sean.

And they said, and one of the reasons was that you were somewhat, and she cut it off and said, I still cared about Sean.

And the attorney said, wishy-washy about breaking it off completely with Sean.

Do you didn't want to lose that friendship?

What?

And Michelle says, because I was in fear of what Sean might say to my husband, which is exactly what the attorney just asked you when you cut them off and disagreed.

God damn it, that's annoying.

That's just such a waste of time.

Imagine if you took all of those things out of every courtroom in America.

It would save like $10 billion a year, probably, and save time of court and shit.

We just took out that.

So she said, because I was in fear and completely end my relationship between me and my husband.

I didn't think my husband would be able to forgive me.

So they said, when police asked her to make the tape that recorded the phone call, did you try and fail to get him and engage in a cover-up?

You know, they said that.

They said, he never tells you at any point in that two-hour conversation to make up a story to the police, does he?

And she says, no.

And they said, and he never tells you at any point during the two-hour conversation that he did anything to your husband or Chester Roberts, does he?

And she said, he never told me he didn't, which

is not an answer to the question.

You are a pain in the ass, lady.

Yep.

You are a real jerk.

And she says,

victim's wife or not, you're an asshole.

You know what I mean?

You're a bit of a jerk.

Sorry.

That's not even alleged.

That's just my opinion.

You're a bit of a jerk.

We say we don't make fun of the victims or the victim's family, but Jesus Christ, Christ, she is like knocking on our door, kicking it down for fuck's sake, begging for it.

The parents,

wonderful people.

You, Michelle, not so fond.

The kids, great people.

And, you know, who knows?

She might have great kids.

I'm sure that she does.

Yeah.

I mean, so Michelle finally says, they said, he never tells you he did, did he?

And she says, no.

She said the last meeting, the last time she supposedly talked to him or met with him was when she told him the only way they could be together is if something happened to Sean.

So the attorney says, is it true that the first time you ever said that is when you were preparing to testify here?

Meaning you didn't actually say that to him.

You just said that now because it sounds bad.

And she said, I believe I said that a long time ago.

And the attorney said it was a recent contrivance on her part.

And in fact, the government admitted that the first time she revealed to anyone she had made that statement was four weeks before the trial.

Oh.

See what I mean?

The defense is doing the same similar Karen Reed stuff.

You said

did she say I hit him?

I thought so, but now you're saying that now.

Did you say that then?

It's a lot of that.

So the defense

attorney here also said the idea that Sean would kill Mike, expecting to get possession of Michelle.

So the defense attorney got Michelle to admit that Sean had already accepted that he couldn't be with her, and he was actively planning to move away from the area even he was doing.

So she said, so there's

no motive here.

The attorney said, but he had been planning to move away for quite a while.

By quite a while, I'm talking about months prior to March of 2006.

And she said, yeah, he had been talking about it.

Yes.

So then they get the Easy Pass

expert to come in.

Yeah.

And they talk about just exactly how the Easy Pass works and all that kind of thing.

And they talk about how long it would have taken for the drive.

And we already went over that.

We don't need to go over that.

They do get an image analyst with the FBI to testify between the similarities or to the similarities between Fred Martin's green F-150 and the truck in the surveillance footage.

She opined that the vehicle shared several class characteristics, features common to all Ford F-150s, as well as several individual similarities, such as broken rear window that had been covered in plastic.

Because of the low quality, however, she declined to conclude that the green truck in the footage definitely was the car to the exclusion of all other vehicles.

Sure.

But it's very similar, essentially.

Then,

so his whole thing was trying to establish that other timeline and everything like that.

But like we said, Gertrude shot that down.

Then Sean testifies.

Oh.

He testifies.

Really?

Yeah, he gets up there.

He must think it's a lost cause.

He gets up there, admits he lied before the killings when he told Michelle and several friends he was planning to move and get back together with an old girlfriend.

He said that he hoped the story would allay suspicions

about the affair with Michelle because the rumors were going around.

And he said he just got caught up in the lie.

He repeatedly tells the jury that he and Michelle loved each other, which is interesting.

He said I explained to him, meaning the people around, really just the way it was.

It was a hug, you know, had happened from last year, meaning when they got caught.

And his attorney says, did you tell police about the affair that you'd been having with Michelle?

And he said, no, no.

Of course not.

No.

I wouldn't tell him that.

He said then

he convinced that the, he said he panicked and he was convinced the police were targeting him as the prime suspect.

So he said, well,

and he laughs, which is always good to do when you're on trial for murder.

When they left that night,

I just like, first thing I did was I grabbed the yellow pages and started looking up lawyers, meaning as soon as the cops talked to him.

They said, why did you do that?

He said, well, I felt I had cooperated, so flags were going off when they came back again.

They said, did you steal Fred Martin's truck?

And he said, no, no, I didn't.

Okay.

No,

I didn't steal Fred Martin's truck.

They said, did you drive Fred Martin's truck to Wakefield, Massachusetts on March 13th?

And he said, no, no,

I wasn't in Massachusetts.

Okay.

So they said, and tell the jury where you were at 8 in the morning on March 13th.

He said, 8 o'clock.

And he said, in the morning,

I was still in bed.

Pick your time.

Doesn't matter.

I wasn't in Massachusetts.

I was home.

I wasn't down there.

I certainly didn't do this.

They said, well, do you remember ever being inside Fred Martin's truck?

And he said, yeah, there was an occasion I was in his truck.

Sure.

And they said, and when was that?

And he said, in the fall of 2005, when I was removing, when he was removing his boat for the season.

And they said, and what happened when you went down to help him?

Sean said, I had gotten inside of his truck to help move it.

So he's like, that's where my DNA came from, obviously.

They go, what about this letter?

What about that?

The note says, close now or else lose more family.

And he says, yeah, I know, I know what it says.

Yeah, I know.

They said, do you know who wrote that note?

And he said, yeah, I did.

Oh.

And they said,

he said, I didn't want the Zamidi family thinking anything like that.

And they said, thinking anything like what?

And he said, people were saying that I did it.

I felt desperate, distraught.

Wish I hadn't as soon as I did it.

But I did it.

I apologize for it.

It's not something I would ask forgiveness for because, Jesus, I wouldn't forgive anyone for doing something like that, but I did it.

And they said, what was your state of mind when you wrote it?

And he said, well, I wanted the police to leave me alone.

They were following me.

I was really, really freaked out.

And so they said, did Michelle tell you that the only way that you and Michelle would ever get together is if something happened to Michael?

And he said, no, no, no, no, that never happened.

Absolutely not.

He said the conversation during the last rendezvous was really about something else.

That would be when and if Michelle would leave her husband and get a divorce.

He said she made some comments, perhaps he would initiate a divorce splitting up.

They said, what was your reaction?

And Sean said, ah, yeah, it's like, here we go again.

When she was talking, I was just going yada, yada, yada, yada, you know, not really paying attention.

I had heard it, so I'd heard it all before.

You know, you know.

They said, what about when you met Mike on the lake the day before the murder?

Remember that or two days before the murder?

Sean said, you know,

after this hug incident,

things were kind of awkward, I guess, is the way to put it.

We never really spoken about it.

So when I saw him, I just, I said something like, you know,

hey, sorry about all the, all the stink, you know, stink.

What did you leave in his wife?

What did you leave in that wife?

Why did you do that?

Sorry about the stink I left on your wife.

Sorry about all that stink in there.

Wow.

He said, I probably used a different word, but sorry about all the stuff last summer.

Shit is what he's getting at.

They said, and what was his reply to that?

And Sean said, he was like,

you know, I told people, I told you people would talk, you know,

it's no big deal.

We're all friends up here, up here, you know, no big deal.

What the fuck?

And she said, did you shoot?

And he said, I did not.

And they said, Michael's a middie.

And he said, I did not.

He jumped the gun on that one.

And they said, and Chester Roberts.

And he said, shoot.

And he said, no.

He was finishing his last sentence.

I had nothing to do with these homicides.

Nope.

No way.

Nope.

Nope.

I'd never buy from a murder suspect.

Did you do this?

Nope.

Nope.

All right.

Put your hands behind your back.

That's all I need to do.

Get in the car.

Watch me.

Get in the fucking car.

The

prosecution in their closing said, this is not a case about coincidence.

It's about evidence.

The evidence dictates that he is the person that took these two people's lives.

In the defense closing, they said, yeah, he had an affair with Michelle.

Yeah, he had feelings for her, but she had feelings for him, too.

They both understood on some level this was an affair that wasn't going to lead anywhere.

But the question is, is there someone out there who harbored such a grudge?

And our defense was someone else, and our defense is someone else did it.

Why?

Because Sean didn't.

They said that was one of the first reasons how that there's reasonable doubt is that the troopers failed to check alibis and failed to check up on suspects and other potential leads.

They said there was a nephew that they had hired and fired, and the nephew was mad at them.

So, you know,

says they owe him $170,000.

Isn't that motive for murder?

It's certainly something.

They said, we're not talking about he probably did it.

Maybe he did it.

We're talking about proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

And if you have a reasonable doubt, you must find him not guilty.

Okay.

The jury is four men, eight women.

It deliberates for five days.

Really?

Five days.

And the jury sent a note at one point here because on the third third day of deliberations, the jury foreman said they're deadlocked.

Really?

Then they said, get the fuck back in there.

They gave them what's called the dynamite charge.

Figure it the fuck out.

Get the fuck back in there and figure it out charge.

They call it.

It's called the Chip Smith charge in Connecticut, which I had no idea about that.

So

they said, they sent a note saying some members have expressed conviction that they could never vote guilty in the absence of physical evidence.

Really?

Which is stupid because when the judge reads you the jury instructions,

literally that's, it doesn't have to be physical evidence.

Like they tell you all that shit.

So like you're literally going against the law at that point.

And you've got DNA.

I mean, there's, there's physical evidence.

That's what's interesting.

So in the end, they come back after that

and

they decide that

they're deadlocked in this trial.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They said 10 jurors had voted to convict him.

Two of the women jurors were the holdouts for acquittal.

Holy shit.

The prosecutor said, we believe that we presented the best possible case against Sean Fitzpatrick and that he alone is solely responsible for these murders.

That fight will now continue zealously as we prepare for a second trial.

Dang it.

Now, here is a blogger.

There's some blogger's opinion

that watched every moment of the trial.

Okay.

So just a random person's opinion that watched the trial, basically, and they wrote it down.

Said, I, for one, was not convinced that Mr.

Fitzpatrick had committed these crimes.

I watched this trial for three weeks on court TV, and the prosecutor's evidence was based on assumptions, not facts.

You had to assume that the truck on the video was Sean's neighbor's truck.

You had to assume that Sean Fitzpatrick had stolen it and was driving it, and you had to assume the shotgun stolen from the Zamitti's house was the one used in the murders.

All of those things only make sense for one person.

That's, yeah.

You had to assume the defendant had burglarized Zamitti's house to get that shotgun, and you had to assume that he had never been in his neighbor's truck at least one time in all of the years his neighbor owned it.

It was all assumptions.

And in a murder trial where a defendant's innocent until proven guilty, you cannot assume anything.

You must reach a verdict on what can be proven, not assumed.

In this country, if an assumption were evidence, every defendant would be convicted.

Okay, true.

But the jurors talk to Dateline.

Okay.

And they ask him about, what about the truck?

Did Sean steal it?

What about his DNA in it?

One juror said, there has to be a direct connection between the trip of the truck and the murder.

So there has to be something.

It didn't go down there for nothing.

Right.

And they said, so that's one juror said that.

So Keith Morrison said to the other two, because they talked to three jurors, do you all agree with that point that that truck must be connected with the murder?

They said no and no.

Okay.

Okay.

They said, okay, but the state proved that Fred Martin's Easy Pass did go through all the tolls between Boston and New Hampshire on the morning of the murders.

Right.

But was the Easy Pass in Fred's truck?

That could have been a thing.

The one juror said they only know that the Easy Pass went through, which can be taken out of a truck and put into another truck.

Okay, that's...

Okay, why would you do that?

That's a trend.

What about the surveillance photos of the truck that looks like Fred's truck?

It's out of focus.

Well, one juror said the pictures were very, very difficult to point out and any identifying features in this truck.

And they said, and that created doubt for you.

And both of the jurors said, absolutely, absolutely.

Wow.

They said, but they found his DNA on the steering wheel of the truck.

And the juror said, there's strong DNA evidence.

It was Sean Fitzpatrick who had DNA on the wheel.

But one juror said there was an explanation.

The one said everybody was over at everybody's house.

Everybody was in everybody's vehicle.

Everybody was helping each other move this, do that.

Everybody's touching everything.

But no, the one guy, the guy who's trucking it is specifically said, he's never been in my fucking truck.

Yeah.

We don't know that Fred's been asking for help from shit just because other people are.

But he's over here saying, I'm in that truck all the time.

Fucking insane.

So they said, okay.

We also have

the neighbor.

We have Gert.

Keith Morrison said, here we have Sean Fitzpatrick actually doing something which is unusual for a defendant in a murder case.

Seems to me he was a bit cocky, wasn't he?

And the one juror said, no, I didn't find him to be cocky.

Not cocky at all.

all.

And another juror said, I think he was nervous.

They really like him.

They both have fucking Paisan last names, too.

Fuck is wrong with you, people.

Let's have a talk with you, Kathy and Linda.

Jesus Christ.

That's their name.

I like it.

Kathy and Linda.

Kathy said, juror Kathy said, I thought he got,

he had a lot of courage getting up there and testifying for himself.

And for me to think that someone would do that, it shows, it kind of shows me that they're trying to prove their innocence.

Keith Morrison said, everybody else said he was lying.

So you're just the only two dummies on earth, huh?

Yeah.

The other juror said, during his testimony, I started leaning guilty.

So, yes, in my view, his testimony did not help him.

And when he admitted on the stand that he lied about the threatening letter after his palm print was found, that wasn't good either.

Even juror Linda said, if he lied about that, that, then, yeah, it's possible he lied about other things.

But you were one of the not guilty.

What are you talking about?

What are you doing?

Then she says, just because you sent a note, it doesn't mean you're a murderer.

Why would you send that note?

But if you add it all together, it's a, what are we talking about?

Doesn't look good, Linda.

Holy shit.

Wow.

So they asked the prosecutor, is there going to be a second trial?

And the prosecutor said, I'd try this case a thousand times.

I try this case every day for the rest of my life because he's guilty.

Yeah.

He's pretty sure of it.

I think so.

The defense attorney, Keith Morrison, said, was that hung jury a victory for you?

And the defense attorney said, I don't know if you'd call it a victory, but I think a lot of defense attorneys would say anything that's not a conviction is a victory.

Juror Kathy said, if you have reasonable doubt, it's not up to us to say he's guilty.

It's up to the man upstairs.

No.

What are you talking about?

Is there an alternate juror sitting upstairs?

Because the one fucking place on this fucking earth that has nothing to do with that is court.

I know you got to put your hand on a Bible, but you don't even have to do that.

You can just swear.

You don't have to.

Damn it.

It's just habit.

So February 2009, as soon as they could possibly put it together, second trial coming in.

This time, the judge does not allow the alternate Ricky Calley accusations.

They decide that it was 11 years earlier and well outside the scope of anything that would have fucking mattered.

Otherwise, you could start saying,

didn't Michael Sr.

get in a fight with somebody in high school?

And what are we talking about here?

So they said that the only thing that would link him would be that labor dispute that doesn't matter.

And they said Michael Sr.

testified in the first trial that he and Callie had resolved their differences.

And in the intervening years, then there was no evidence to suggest he had the means or opportunity to do it either.

So will the secretly recorded phone call be allowed in?

Will it?

That's a question.

Sean's legal team tries to introduce the phone call at trial to show his consciousness of innocence.

Oh.

That's what they call it.

Consciousness of innocence.

Yeah.

Essentially saying, look, why would I tell her to be honest if I was guilty?

Oh.

Wow.

The court excluded the call also.

So that's a win for both, one for each side, saying it was not relevant to Sean's mental state at the time of the crime and that it occurred after the murders.

So the court also further held that the so-called consciousness of innocence is too speculative to be meaningful legal evidence as well.

So the defense here,

they argue there's no direct evidence, no murder weapon, no eyewitness.

They maintain his innocence, present his alibi that he claimed he was home sleeping.

They challenge the reliability of witness testimonies and question the accuracy of the surveillance footage identification.

Wow.

They said that the Michelle testifies, same as last time, detailed their affair and persistent pressure from Sean to leave her husband, blah, blah, blah.

Physical evidence, DNA traces,

shell casings here,

tire track impressions that they believe match this vehicle.

Digital evidence from phone recordings and text messages, the easy pass.

The prosecution presents a timeline.

That's what you're supposed to do.

If you're a prosecutor, you want to put together a timeline that chokes the life out of any other explanation.

You're going to argue it, right?

Like, well, he would have had two minutes to go from there to there, so it's got to be him.

There's no other person.

So it's one of those.

They highlighted his knowledge of the victim's routines through his relationship with Michelle.

He knew

when he went to work because that's when he would call.

Sure.

So he knew exactly when he was there.

Now, Sean, they're wondering if he's going to testify again.

His attorney says he didn't have to because the prosecutor put him on the stand in the second trial.

Now you go, how the fuck does that happen?

Yeah.

Played

his recorded testimony from the first trial.

Can you do that?

Judge let it in.

Wow.

Absolutely.

Prosecutors made sure they'd hear it anyway.

They played audio excerpts of his testimony from the first trial.

I guess if all the evidence is going to be allowed in the same way, then you'd have to.

And during that, they said

all of this shit.

On sending the letter, they hear, I wish that I hadn't.

And as soon as I did it, it's not something I would ask forgiveness for, all that.

They hear that this wasn't something that was sexual.

It was both of ways.

There were emotions between us.

Okay, this goes to the jury.

There is one week of deliberations.

A week?

Yeah.

A female juror said he sounded a little bit like aloof, joking around a little bit too much from what we hear.

You know, a lot of la-di-das,

and just, and not what I would have expected for someone who was testifying for themselves.

One juror said the oh-to-be-me license plate was big.

Really?

It was a big talk in the jury room, she said, because we didn't see anything that magnificent or wonderful.

They were like, why the fuck does this want everyone?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He doesn't seem like he's having that great of a time.

She said, we thought he might want to change it to

woe to be me instead of O to Be Me.

Woe to be me.

Yeah.

Jurors went around and around with the evidence.

One juror said, because Keith Morrison later said, is there anyone who didn't think that he was driving that truck?

That's, you know, you're crazy if you don't think that.

One juror said, well, I thought about it a little bit.

You know, one thing the defense attorney, when he cross-examined the toll engineer,

the defense attorney asked, but can you identify that this was the truck and that he was in the truck, the defendant?

And he said, no, I can't.

And

that same juror said about the letter to the Zamittis, if you were totally innocent, that would be a very unusual way of going about things.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I would say.

Four days into the jury's deliberation, the four-person sends a note to the judge saying, we're deadlocked.

Wow.

What the fuck, man?

A female juror said there were some jurors who felt he'd done it, but the prosecution didn't solidify it enough for them.

They needed more evidence.

So that's when we went to the judge and said, we're in an impasse.

Tell us where to go.

The judge told them where to go.

And

the female juror said, the judge said, your job's not done.

Go back and continue to work.

Then it got worse.

That same day, one of the jurors was dismissed for medical reasons.

So they picked an alternate juror.

And the judge told them, now you have to start from scratch with deliberations.

Oh, my God.

You have a new person.

So one of the jurors said, I went in and I could see a bunch of frustrated faces.

Like, are you kidding me?

We have to start all over.

God damn it.

They walked in and discovered that two jurors were holding out for acquittal again, just like the first trial.

One juror here, juror Rob, some guy, said, I thought the defense argument that you really have to place the defendant in that truck, the prosecution hasn't proved that beyond a reasonable doubt.

And so they deliberated for the fifth day and a sixth day.

Then on the seventh day, they have a verdict.

Here we go.

Jesus Christ.

It took six days to make the earth, apparently, but seven to find

a verdict for this idiot.

They find him guilty.

There it is.

Of two counts of first-degree murder, one count of illegal possession of a shotgun.

While the clerk is is reading the counts, he is mouthing to the jury, you have the wrong person, wrong person, over and over.

Wrong person.

She's like making, oh, it's the wrong person.

You fucked up.

At this point, all the attention in the room shifts to Michael Zametti Sr.

because it looks like he's having a heart attack as people swarm around him.

Really?

He's not having a heart attack.

He's trying to jump over the court thing to get at Sean.

And everyone's holding him back.

He's trying to murder Sean with his bare hands.

Wow.

As an Italian father would do.

So, yeah, not a heart attack, just trying to attack Sean.

And

so sentencing comes around.

Their eldest child, Michael's eldest child,

says that, reads a letter saying how the death of my father affected me because I wasn't able to see him anymore except in my dreams.

Horrifying shit.

Michelle said, had this unspeakable event not happened, could my husband Michael have forgiven me for the mistakes I made?

I miss Michael for uncountable reasons, but to me, he will always be the love of my life.

Judge says, you, sir, may fuck off two life sentences

consecutive.

Yeah, for both.

No parole.

No, wow.

Two consecutive without.

Fuck yourself is what they said to this guy.

Yep.

So that's tough.

That's tough, man.

And there's a whole lot of juror discussion about this.

And one juror said i don't think ever anyone could ever imagine that a person would take someone's life that they were supposed to be friends with i don't think she ever imagined anything horrific like that would happen i mean because there's a lot of talk about michelle how you know do you feel she's responsible right they said she probably felt terrible so sure

Now, he appeals on several grounds.

I'll go through these in about a minute.

One is that one of his high-profile attorneys got caught in a DEA sting and convicted of helping an undercover government informant launder drug money

after the trial.

So he's like, well, my lawyer was a scumbag.

Also, DNA stuff.

They're saying that the DNA on the, because

during the trial, they said the DNA on the coat hanger was inconclusive.

And they said they shouldn't have brought it up at all if it was inconclusive, because inconclusive will make people think that it's part him or whatever the fuck is his horseshit.

Also, the recorded phone calls, not the one with Michelle, but a jailhouse telephone call that was, that was intercepted and all that kind of shit.

so they say get the fuck out of here keep going enjoy prison for the rest of your life asshole so 2016 uh nightmare next door a tv series right season 10 episode 5 does this story called death takes a toll okay yeah oh boy and then 2024 investigation discovery did this as well uh doing uh a show called a concrete motive oh uh sean is currently in mci shirley

Don't call me Shirley.

Which is a medium security facility.

Michael, on the other hand, is in a place worse than prison.

He is at the Forest Glade Cemetery in Wakefield, Massachusetts.

It probably is worse, yeah.

That's where he was 39.

That's fucked up.

So that's young.

So by the way, I found on his find a grave page there,

his daughter Maria left a very heartfelt thing on there.

And I thought I'd read that because it's nice.

And, you know, if your dad died, maybe you'd want to be heard.

certainly, yeah.

Dear dad, I wish I was, I wish there was a phone I could use to call you.

Life down here is okay, but with you around, I know a lot of things would be easier.

17 years is too long.

Too many missed firsts, missed parties, missed holidays, graduations, milestones, and so many more things.

I hope I make you proud every day, and I hope you're with me in spirit every step of the way.

I love you, Dad.

I miss you so much every day.

I wish I could say it has gotten easier, but sometimes I think it's actually gotten harder.

That's fucking sad.

So, Sean continues to say he's innocent and appeal every time he can and everything like that.

So, there you go.

There is Wakefield, Massachusetts, everybody.

Wow, that is a crazy fucking story.

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And you get a shout out at the end of the show which is right fucking now jimmy hit me with the name of the people who would never ever borrow a neighbor's truck to come murder us hit me with them right now this week's executive producers are stringer bell probably

preeter muzichik muzicik wow uh gary howard kyle norweg uh emily west brother patrick is fighting his ass off thank you patrick for uh not not thank you just uh keep going jesus christ keep paying off poor man is he's he's in a fight for his life uh keep it it up, Patrick.

Jamie

Kadrovich.

Kadrovich.

I think it's Kadrovich.

I don't remember.

Happy birthday, Jamie.

Happy birthday to you.

God, whatever your fucking name is.

Yeah.

Other producers this week, Petrick Peyton Meadows, Bill McClellan.

Happy birthday, Scarlett Whorebeast, the third, James.

I don't

know who's name, but this is how they would like to be honored.

So there it is.

The pepperoni animal, Janice Hill, David with no last name, Elliot Hansen, Len Willits, Kelsey Brooks, Peter Carlson, Jay Ralston,

yeah, Tyler Veal,

Tara McAfee, Matt Hewitt, Max, Max Hewitt, Austin Miller, Christina Kerrigan, Rebecca Luffenberger, Mavie, Maeve, how do you say that?

M-A-E-V-E?

Is that Mavie?

Did we settle on that yet as Americans?

I think we're going to American name.

Maeve?

Let's go, Maeve.

All right.

It's like Mauve, but with different.

It might be Mauve.

I don't know, but it's McGinnis.

I know that that part.

Nicholas Solpatch, Solpatch, Paul, Solpa,

Saulpoff?

Whoa.

Devin, Devin Willis, Don Barella.

C, and the other letters C.

Matthew Rechtenwald.

Libby Perry.

Charlie Trigg, A.

Selner.

Bolt or barely knew her.

Barely know her.

Sue.

Oh, boy.

Boy are these fucking bad this week.

Buy Michael.

Buy me she.

Don't know.

Bad to say.

Not bad to go donate.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's impossible.

Carrie Kirkwald.

Kirkland.

That's it.

Jacob Watech.

Wytech.

DA, the DA donate.

Megan.

Megan Des Roches.

Roches.

Megan, you're the best.

Joanna.

Thank you.

Wilson.

Jason with no last name.

Michelle Ricard.

Tiffany Marchbanks.

Yep.

Johnny with no last name.

Rachel Cohen.

Mike Pugh.

Puff Puff.

Jordan Fumero.

Jeremy with a G, Bowman.

That's terrible.

Angelina Collie.

Germany.

Tori with no last name.

Anna Berntson.

Brendan, Brendan Lord, Nico Willemson, David Center, Heather Hubbard, Nick McCormick, A.W.

Book Girl, Janet Salinas, Dawn with no last name.

Cade Khalisa, Hunter Frampton, Peter's Kid, Rob Rose Fire.

That's a good name.

Jesus.

Nice.

That sounds great.

Kelly Starcher.

What is this?

Michael Ann?

Michael Ann Finkel?

Fink.

Michelle Ann?

That's Michael Ann.

What?

How's that?

Maybe it's a couple.

That we shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Michael and Ann.

Michael Ann Ann?

It better be that.

It can't be Michael Ann.

You're not allowed to be Michael Ann.

John Taylor, great catch.

Sarah Delaney, Whitney with no last name.

Oh, the fucking 88 Super Bowl, baby.

Good catch.

Terry, I'm sure nobody's ever told you that, John.

Terry

Zweshper.

Arwen.

Arwen Storm, Scott Paquette, Tim Drofton.

Is that right?

Nikki Klinger, Ariel

Howler, Ralph Carte, Carti, Carta Blanche, Denise Gibson, Onyx Lovely, Rachel Dennison, Adam Torresy, TNJ, TJ.

This show brought to you by TJ, Shelly Ramsey, Don Pushy, Jasmine with no last name, Pushy.

You hear that?

Push.

Jesus, Don.

Josh Johnson, Samantha Lister, Lorisar,

Holly Koch, what?

Tony Curry.

That's two names.

Take me a second to process that one.

Zach Nussbaum, Michelle with no last name, Brandy with no last name.

Kind Topic, Maureen with no last name, Chris with no last name, Mixons,

Scott Phillips, Courtney Moore, Joseph Coleman Bonner, Grant Ziegler, Ziegler, Ziegler, probably.

Ava would no last name.

Name's not Andy.

So it's definitely not Andy, James.

It's a different name.

Not Andy.

Andy did not give a shit.

Amanda Weinbrenner, Samantha Jenkins, Travis Grandberg, Kendra Wright.

Haley with no last name.

Anaeus Rom,

I hope.

Michelle Sefree, Seifre, Sifer, Chiamada Bread.

That's a thing, right?

Melissa Grosso, Christine Higgins, Kelsey Lamartina,

Donovan Finley, Austin Stewart, A.J.

Cross, Quincy Young, Kilo, Kylo, I.K., Derek with no last name, Morgan Lowe, Hadley Oberg, P.B., Nina with no last name, Andrea Galindo, Ashley Durbin, Josh Lewis, Melissa Dunmeyer, Amy Pierce, I'm a Suck Your Dick, I'll Bet You Won't.

Lindsey Wiles, David Ellis, Lily, Gene Gurney, Cordale, Cordale Claussen, Sam Lee, Freddie Santiago, Jessica Baker, Elizabeth with no last name, Sarah Lulo, Skip Newman,

Caitlin, Caitlin Piffer,

Steven Wick, yeah, HCC, Sabrina Connor, Allie with no last name, or maybe Ali,

Krista Kemp, the great one, Sean Kemp's daughter here, yeah, the girl, yeah.

I hope he pays for it.

all of them.

He's coming out of the woodwork there.

Yeah.

Sweaty turtle.

Fucking bajunk.

Bajunk.

B.A.

junk.

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You guys are the best.

We can't thank you enough.

Thank you.

Thank you so much, everybody.

Fucking fantastic, wonderful bastards.

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