#589 - Pig Farm Murders - Wimer, Oregon

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This week, in Weimer, Oregon, mysterious disappearances on a local farm lead detectives into a world of horror with filth, body parts, a strange cast of characters, and some very hungry pigs.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder.

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Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today on another crazy edition of Small Town Murder.

As usual, we have a very, very, very wild story for you today.

I mean, it is all sorts of filth, so we'll get into all of that.

It's a nasty farm story.

This, by the way, is a story that we did for the virtual live show back on Halloween.

And this...

Well, that was forever ago.

Yeah, it was a long time ago, so I'm sure everybody forgot.

And plus, we've added a lot more details here.

Right.

The virtual lives, you don't quite get the same amount of time to go over every detail of the murder, you know, with costumes and such.

Sure.

Pictures and the like.

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Because it was so fun, and I'm like, oh, no, it's already an hour.

No, there's, we have so much more.

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So, there you go.

We're going to screw this up.

That's, Jimmy will screw up your name is what I meant to say there.

That said, I think it's time for the disclaimer.

It's a comedy show, everybody.

This is, we are comedians.

There will be jokes, but that doesn't mean that anything in the story is not real.

Every last detail somehow is real.

You'd listen to these stories and go, they had to make some of that up.

No, we didn't.

Not a drop of it.

We don't need to.

You know, it's crazy stuff here.

You say, what's so funny about murder?

Lots of stuff, including

someone saying, I think I can get away with this crazy murder.

That's

crazy and worthy of jokes right there.

But what we don't do, what we never do, we go out of our way not to make fun of the victims or the victims' families.

Why, James?

Because we're assholes.

But we're not scumbags.

See how that works?

So if you think that sounds good to you, we're going to have a wild time.

If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together,

I don't know what you're doing here, but maybe give it a shot and see how you like it.

No complaining later.

That's the only

rule there.

So that said, I think it's time to sit back.

Let's all clear the lungs and let's all shout.

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and give me murder.

Let's do this, everybody.

Let's go off.

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

We are going to Weimer, Oregon.

Yeah.

W-I-M-E-R, Weimer.

It is a small place here in southern Oregon, like southwestern Oregon, kind of.

About four hours and 10 minutes to Portland, so nowhere near there.

About two hours to Weed, California, if you're looking to go there.

We're going there, the 420 show.

We're going to weed, going to weed New York that day.

And then it's about an hour to Kirby, Oregon, which was our last Oregon episode, Too Many Dead Neighbors.

That was the one where the guy had the junk pile in between.

He made a fence out of a junk pile, and it was a lot.

And the area code here, 458, the town motto here, as I assume a lot of towns in Oregon probably use this motto.

Please excuse our mold, I believe, is what they use.

Yeah, it's

going to be a little moldy.

History.

It's a little damp.

History of this town here.

It's in Jackson County, Oregon.

That county was named for who, Jimmy?

Andrew Michael Jackson.

Andrew Michael Jackson.

That's right.

He moonwalked all the Native Americans to their reservations there.

Weimer lies along the Evans Creek, north of the city of Rogue River.

There's a city called Rogue River.

That's a cool name for a city.

Yeah, it's coming around the corner, real creepy.

Like the community was named for a relative of William Weimer, who edited a newspaper in Grants Pass.

Yeah.

I don't know why.

I guess William Weimer was also said to have established a post office in Weimer here, which was open until 1909.

There's a covered bridge that crosses the creek in Weimer, and that bridge, of course,

they replaced, that bridge collapsed into the creek in 2003.

So, yeah, obviously that's

bridges need a lot of help.

That's the exact reason that nobody wants to cross them.

It's the exact reason of Funny Farm.

So,

yeah, they replaced the bridge with a look-alike bridge, though.

That's pretty cool.

They made it one that looks just like it, but with stronger materials, you know, modern-day stuff there with steel and shit like that it's only a 17 feet wide kind of a small bridge here

yeah I guess you could get two cars across that yeah yeah yeah it's just a small little deal

they also became the first of an eventual 35 counties in Oregon to implement a fireproofing situation where you had to fireproof your homes as around it so it can help keep from wildfires yeah they had to keep a 30-foot or greater fire break around their structures so 30-foot halo.

Yeah, nothing flammable around there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So your couch doesn't catch on fire here.

The 2007,

the residents voted not to reopen the county's 15 libraries, which were closed due to a shortage of funds.

It was the largest.

Who needs those?

It's the largest library closure in the history of the United States.

And then they were.

That's good.

And they reopened them with reduced hours a few months later.

Okay, that's right.

That's wonderful.

Reviews here.

Five stars.

We've never been here.

Who knows?

Five stars.

I felt loved and safe in my university.

They helped me get stable.

Came in all fucked up.

I came in all unstable and came out on even ground.

I visited the Lake of the Woods.

Lake of the Woods, huh?

And it was beautiful and peacefully quiet.

All right.

Here is four stars.

Here we go.

I've lived in Jackson County for my entire life and it's been amazing.

I think five stars is amazing.

I think five stars is amazing, though.

Four stars.

Where are they at?

Three?

Very good.

Four.

Four.

There are admittedly some bad drivers, potheads, and unfortunate homeless people, but that's only a fraction of what the county has to offer.

What do you have to offer?

Well, bad drivers, potheads, and some unfortunate homeless people.

Oh, there's more of them.

There is very little traffic, so commuting isn't a hassle.

The weather is amazing, and if you stay here for a year,

you'll see that we experience all four seasons wholeheartedly.

When paired with the rolling hills, plentiful pastures, mountain ranges, inviting skies, the weather really tops off Jackson County's overall charm.

Although there are obviously issues, no county is going to be perfect.

However, with its low crime rates, Jackson County is a great choice for families.

It's a pleasure living here.

Wow.

We don't half-ass a single season.

Jesus Christ.

Three stars here.

The crime in Jackson County has skyrocketed.

With the pot grows, came a bunch of people looking for work

out of state or country.

With fentanyl came a whole new set of issues.

There are better places to live.

Don't

blame legal.

So calm down.

Let's not blame legal weed growing operations on all of the town's fucking ills, especially fentanyl, which has nothing to do with that.

People in this town, 441.

So it's a small town.

It's a small place.

Yeah, it's tiny.

50, almost 56%

men, only 44% female.

So

that is not a lot.

That's the most men we've ever seen in a place, I think, just because there's a lot of outdoor stuff going on here.

Median age here, 61.4.

That is

very, that's the median age.

So for every 40-year-old, there's an 80-year-old.

You know what I mean?

That's amazing.

That's crazy.

there is zero people in the census like zero to four years old.

No babies in this town.

A single toddler baby.

There's a store with a diaper shelf just covered in dust.

It's the diapers have thick dust on them.

No one's buying them.

Diapers from 86.

Also, no one from 45 to 54 lives in this town either.

So

45 years old to 54 years old.

It's about 40% married,

which is lower than the average.

For the high age, the widow rate is actually pretty normal.

So you'd think there'd be more dead spouses here, but it's not.

Race of this town, pretty

only two things here.

You got 96.8% white, 3.2% Native American.

That's it.

Whoa.

That's the town.

Never heard of that before.

That's interesting.

That's it.

6.7% unemployment, which is a little above the national average at this very moment.

Cost of living, 100 being regular average.

Here it is 106.

And the highest thing here is home cost.

So it is, it's not cheap here.

Yeah, median home cost here, 376,800 bucks.

God damn, 400 grand.

Yeah.

I know there's a lot of the houses here have a lot of property with them.

And I think that's council.

It's not a lot of mansions.

It's just 150 acres with a shitty house on it that happens to be a lot of people.

That is fascinating.

The land makes it more valuable.

Yeah, yeah.

Big properties.

More More land.

You could have a beautiful house on a small property and a small house on lots of land.

You could have two trailers

sitting on 150 acres.

It's the same thing.

So if we've convinced you there's nowhere else in the world that you could possibly be happy, we have for you the Weimer, Oregon Real Estate Report.

Average two-bedroom rental here is slightly below the national average, about $1,190.

Here's house number one, a three-bedroom, two-bath, $1,742 square foot house.

The house,

the listing, by the way, bragging about a, quote, fully fenced-in yard.

Oh.

And that's about all.

That's about all there is to say positive about it.

It's a.

It looks like...

No, yeah, and it looks like

a manufactured mobile home

that they stuck in the ground real good.

That's what it looks like.

It's not that great.

Maybe it just sunk.

Not that great.

It's in the 55-plus Golden Rogue Mobile Estates.

Yeah.

There we go.

I can't believe how close I am to that.

Wow.

$193,500 for that.

That's unbelievable, too.

And they get you on the lot fees.

Like, you could.

I'm sure.

Even if you've got the money to buy that, it costs so much to keep it.

So much.

Here's a three-bedroom, three-bedroom two-bath 1782 square foot house so almost exactly the same as the last house um it's this place by the way is like

this place is like if a if a guy uh went to a lodge one time and was like i'm gonna do my house like this

just animal pelts and shit like that never want to i never want to forget this weekend I'd like to have a house that a woman will never come to.

That's what this house looks like.

No fenced yard, though?

What the fuck?

No fenced yard.

Shit, no.

A lot of junk, though, in this house.

I don't know if it comes with the house or what.

$350,000 for it, though.

So it's interesting here.

It has a big shop, by the way, too.

Big 44-by-50-foot shop out back.

Oh, God.

Which is just an empty structure, but it's still, you know, a shop.

Here is

house number three is five-bedroom, four-bath, 3,732 square feet.

It is 44.64 acres.

Damn.

Big property.

It looks like a fancy log cabin, just a real fancy, kind of a rich person log cabin.

It has a steam room and shit.

You know what I mean?

It's one of those.

Yeah, the walls are all knotty pine, that kind of crap here.

Very nice.

$1,250,000, though.

Seems a little steep.

Things to do here.

The Bigfoot Trap.

Okay, they're very into Sasquatch up here.

This is Sasquatch country.

This is just a little box in the woods, basically.

Looks like a place where teenagers would go to drink beer or finger each other or do whatever in there.

It's just a little place like that.

I'll read about the Bigfoot trap.

Some say Sasquatch still roams the forests of the Rogue River Valley.

Whether you're a true believer or a staunch skeptic, the fact is

that the world's only known Bigfoot trap resides in the forest just a few miles from Applegate Lake in southern Oregon.

Well, I mean,

I could build a fairy trap.

That doesn't mean I'm going to catch any fairies.

If you're a true believer or a staunch, if you're a true person,

absolute idiot.

Or an idiot.

Built in 1974 by the North American Wildlife Research Team.

They should have researched it.

There is no Bigfoot.

That would have been part of their research, I think.

The purpose of the trap was to prove the existence of the legendary Bigfoot.

Holy shit.

Unfortunately, in six years of use, it just caught a shitload of bears, which is exactly like my joke that I had about that finding Bigfoot show where I go, hey, every show is the same thing.

Hey, you ever think maybe that was a bear?

Ever think of that?

Big, tall, giant, loud,

all over the fucking place in the woods.

Wow, yeah.

Wow, yeah, it sounds like a bear.

Roared at you, huh?

Weird.

What could that be?

Maybe a bear.

Crazy noise.

Wow.

Interesting.

Here in the Rogue River Valley, Bigfoot sightings and stories circulate frequently.

Footprints of extraordinary size have been documented.

Those are all hoaxes.

And

locals report unusual phenomena not easily explained by science.

Oh, boy.

Really?

They say, we'll let you be the judge.

I've already judged that one.

I'm not allowing the people to be the judge.

I'm tired of people just asking questions and go, I mean, maybe.

No.

No.

Flat Earth and Bigfoot.

Let's just say no definitively on that right now and move on from there.

So they say we highly recommend the seven-mile hike up Collings Mountain

to, I guess, to see this.

I don't know here.

Seven miles to see a bear trap?

I guess so.

They also say that

there's a lodge that claims that Bigfoot stops by every once in a while.

So you should come by and eat some dinner there.

You know what I mean?

Also, there's the Oregon Chocolate Festival.

That sounds like more R-Speed, I think.

I think there.

From chocolate makers' wine dinner on Friday night, educational presentations and demos to chocolate brunch, and weekend filled with chocolate creations offered by artists and makers from all across the West Coast.

There is a chocolate maker's wine dinner.

There is a chocolate wonka costume contest.

And it says to come dressed as your favorite chocolate character.

Oh,

anybody.

But chocolate?

What are chocolate characters?

I mean,

there's Eminem.

There's an Easter, yeah.

You could be a bunny.

Yeah.

You could be Willie.

Yeah.

You could be.

That's it.

There's no chocolate.

We run out.

We don't usually make characters out of chocolate and eat them usually.

That's not how it works.

I don't know how that works.

There's a blind taste test.

by expert judges.

I bet that was chocolate.

Chocolate product competition to name the ultimate chocolate.

I'm going with a milk.

That's a milk chocolate.

Yeah, there's only milk, dark, and white, right?

Is there any other chocolate?

I am sure there's a few in between that we're missing, but nothing that anybody cares about.

We've classified them into these three kinds of chocolate that we care about here.

Milk, dark, and a Cabernet, and I'm a happy guy.

Oh, you don't give a shit about chocolate?

That's fine.

You can enjoy the live music and food truck at the festival.

Bringing the family along, we have something for everyone.

So explore the many family activities.

And here's some activities they have.

Here's the musical musical lineup.

Cami Sorret will be there.

Oh, boy.

You know who that is?

Nope.

Nope, me neither.

Piano vocalist and songwriter.

And it says that she's a piano vocalist living in Southern Oregon.

Some of her earliest musical experience took play sharing the piano bench with the church pianist.

Okay.

I mean, I think we can all do that.

That's probably.

I could sit next to someone who plays the piano well.

She blends that background with her years of classical piano training to create

inventive covers of pop, rock, and funk.

So it's all covers.

Eclectic collection of covers, including songs by CCR.

I don't want to hear one chick on a piano playing fucking

Fortunate Son.

I don't need to hear that.

That's just going to be weird.

Right?

He kind of sounds,

yeah, yeah.

You can do a.

I mean, it's kind of a feminist

that he does, yeah.

Really?

Fogarty?

John Fogarty?

Yeah, it's kind of just a little bit.

He sounds like a hillbilly getting stabbed in the neck with a beer bottle when he says it.

Even it's a high-pitched, a gal could probably do it pretty well.

No, no, no, no.

I could see it.

I mean, I'm sure they sing funny.

I just don't want to hear it.

I want to hear the instruments, not just a piano.

I don't want to hear like either an over-dramatic version or like a lounge up, a lounge version of that.

Either way is going to be weird.

Tom Petty.

You two, Tina Turner, all this type of shit, basically.

All the hits.

All the hits.

And then there is a Wonka costume contest, and it says, that's what we talked about there.

Dress up, come dressed in your favorite chocolate character-inspired costumes, and win a 2025 chocolate getaway.

Oh,

there's that too.

Chocolate getaway.

The Hersher Highway, Jimmy.

We know that.

The winner will enjoy an unforgettable overnight stay for two at the retro-modern Ashland Hills Hotel.

That's what you get.

Where the hell is that?

Ashland Hills, I assume.

There you go.

So that is that.

Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here.

Property crime is about a quarter beneath the national average.

So a little bit safer than your average town.

And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime is about half the national average.

A little below that.

So, I mean,

pretty good.

And I don't know what the hell anybody is.

What are they doing?

They're elderly and they live in a rural area with like

mountains in between people and big properties who shoot.

They're big properties between their house and the others.

Stop killing each other.

That said, let's talk about some murder here.

Okay.

Now, let's talk about a person here,

Stephen Buchanan, we'll start out with.

All right.

Stephen with a B, by the way.

Stevie B.

Stephen Buchanan, born in 1948 in California.

God damn.

Now, not a lot.

That's some, you know, post-World War II baby boomer shit right there.

California born yeah who knows parents were maybe World War I people or World War II people and a lot of people were in California that's kind of how it got a lot of its population was World War II basically jobs people came the Okies came

hard for the jobs there so we don't know too much about Stephen Buchanan's childhood life

not a lot said and it's very strange too because it's someone that you'd imagine that they would talk about their childhood later, but they don't.

So, Stephen here ends up signing up for the Navy to fight in Vietnam.

Signing up.

Signing up.

So,

not drafted.

Not drafted, enlisted in the Navy and fought in Vietnam, honorably discharged after a couple of tours of duty and all that kind of shit.

So, you know, Stephen, Stephen came up, and that's a very common thing.

Parents were World War II people, had kids, they went and fought in Vietnam.

It's kind of how it was.

So, Stephen is honorably discharged from the service after the war.

And then pretty much right away after Vietnam ends, Stephen comes home and

becomes Susan at that point.

Transitioned?

Yeah,

has an operation and the whole deal.

Early 70s style, too.

I mean, this was...

So, yeah, from then on,

she's just Susan Monica from then on.

Susan first name, Monica last name.

Okay.

And that's just the way it is.

So, wow, really?

Yeah, back there.

I mean, early 70s.

That's a that's um even got rid of the last name.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Stephen Buchanan.

And like we said, we don't know what the family situation was like that would make you want to enlist for Vietnam or to completely get rid of your family name.

And who knows, you know what I mean?

But either way,

a somebody who knew Susan Monica at the time said she got into an engineering career and was very successful.

Wow.

So, yeah, did pretty well for herself after Vietnam.

So

she'll talk about later too, having some PTSD shit from Vietnam and some stuff like that, which, I mean, a lot of people went through that.

Christ.

So she's going through a lot at the time.

You add that into

everything else, too.

Yeah, that's

a lot to go through.

Yeah.

So 1991, okay, Susan's been working, doing engineering and all that kind of thing for a while.

She buys a 20-acre farm in Weimer

and wants to kind of just change her lifestyle completely.

Susan wants to have pigs and chickens and all that kind of shit and have like a, you know, kind of a mini farm, basically.

She swings hard away from whatever's going on in her life.

She's like, I don't want to do this.

Engineering to, I'm going to live on a farm, a small farm, basically.

Yeah.

Gonna go out here.

And

a lot of this with Susan is kind of

pulling away too.

There's a lot of pullback I see from

people and from society and stuff like that in Susan of things that she'll start to do over the years.

And that's, you know, also

undiagnosed PTSD makes people do that too.

They get, they kind of withdraw a little bit there.

So anyway, she does all this, has pigs, chickens, ran a wrought iron fence and a gate building business out of the farm too.

So she's building too.

Yeah, doing all this type of shit.

It's It's called white queen construction, which is a little on the nose, I would say.

Yeah.

So

fucking bingo.

I mean sense of humor too.

So when Susan first bought the property, it was undeveloped woodlands.

It was just the woods.

She just bought a plot of woods and she ended up chopping trees down,

erecting a large barn, which an engineering background is going to help when you want to build shit and figure out, you know, where what surfaces are and all that kind of things.

That's all engineers, right, that do that?

I mean,

plan all that kind of shit out.

Yeah.

It's more or less engineering that gets you going with the architectural shit.

Yeah, you probably know a good amount.

So anyway, a large barn is erected and

she starts working on building a house too there.

Fantastic.

So just making a whole little nook.

In 2001, Susan was convicted of reckless endangering and resisting arrest.

And this was in some kind of incident in town that were

the details were never made public here, but that's, I just have her arrest record of that's definitely what happened.

2009 was booked on menacing and recklessly endangering.

That was the charges.

Those charges were dropped

ultimately.

So we don't even know what that is.

That's been a misunderstanding.

No idea.

No idea.

So 2012 comes around, and Susan is just not in a good mental place at this point at all.

Starts losing like chunks of hair from stress,

like in patches, that kind of shit.

Like Roger Maris

when he was going for the record.

Well,

yours went evenly, at least.

Well, I mean, the center and the back isn't so great.

No, no, but that's just male pattern baldness.

It's not.

I mean, the whole thing is just

not.

Oh, fuck, I got something the size of a quarter with no hair back there.

It just thinned real specifically.

That sucks a lot.

It just thinned specifically in the same place that 40% of the male population thins, you know, right there.

Yeah, there's that.

Yeah.

But it's like, it's that

there's no haircut.

There's none.

No.

You can even all the areas, and then the thinning is still obvious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you just got to shave it.

You got no.

You got to shave it.

Some people can do something.

You'd see some people, it looks normal.

Depends on their head.

Depends on your head.

Yeah, I got a pretty good round head, but I can't.

You got to decide what kind of head you have.

Yeah, I can throw specific areas out and cover everything by pulling it long in a tight ponytail like Carlin, but I'm not doing that shit either.

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No, but

the front, too, that would look weird.

You'd be

a little bit more.

It'd look like you pulled it back so far, you've pulled it.

I'm yanking pieces out.

You've pulled it too far back.

Jimmy, loosen that up a little bit.

Good God.

No, it's fine, though.

It's fine.

Your hair's fine.

Yeah, but the patches and like not having great hair,

I feel so much for Susan.

It's a stress thing here, you know, like we hear this often with people who are under extreme stress.

They'll lose chunks of hair and spots.

Susan starts to not take care of her body at all or herself.

Claims that basically for the next two years from 2012 to about 14, she doesn't ever take a bath or a shower.

Nothing.

Just

wipes herself down with a rag.

Oh, golly.

That's it.

So, I mean, that's, you're living in the woods and she's doing a lot of like manual labor out there dealing with pigs.

So, So, I mean, there's she's got animal shit on her multiple times a day.

Like, I would be dying for showers in this situation, but

that shows your mental state.

She's just kind of letting herself go.

That's that's terrible.

That's fun.

I think it's the mental state of whatever she's going through at this moment is having a bad effect here.

So, wiping down with a rag, which is never good.

2013, there's a guy named Robert Harry Haney, H-A-N-E-Y,

and he's born in 1957, and he found Susan through an ad on Craigslist.

She put out an ad on Craigslist for basically people to help work her property, and you can live there.

That's for room and board and a little bit of cash, and, you know, kind of.

She doesn't have time for a shower.

She needs some help around here.

Yeah, she needs help.

And also, you know, I mean, how old is she at this point?

Getting 64 years old or something?

Dang, yeah.

You know, if you want to chop a tree down, you might want to get some help with that in your 60s.

You might get winded a little more.

A little bit so um now uh her susan or i'm sorry robert's uh son said quote my dad and susan had a deal my dad would get part cash and be able to stay on the property my dad agreed to build a house from the bottom up so that's part of the deal is he's going to help build the house and all that kind of shit so um now that robert liked to live in the woods, liked the solitude,

liked all that.

He lived out in the barn and just liked it.

It's real quiet out there, and that's kind of what he was into here.

Another person said he was her handyman, laborer, carpenter.

Whatever she asked of him, he did.

That's what a friend said.

Now, December of 2013,

apparently Robert always keeps in touch with his kids.

Keeps in touch with his son, Jesse.

He's got another kid, too, he keeps in touch with.

So always keeps in touch with his kids, no matter where he is.

Kind of a wanderer.

Someone who's looking for ads on craigslist to you know for labor in exchange for room and board is probably a bit of a wanderer you know what i mean they're not that stable so uh jesse who is robert's son said we hadn't seen or heard from my dad in two months starting in december 2013 they noticed hey have you heard from dad anytime you know pre-halloween and no one had so two months is the flag wow that's yeah that's how you know out there he is probably too yeah So, and who knows how often they talk or whatever, but they said that we all just started to panic is what Jesse said.

We just didn't know what to do about that because two months, usually, I guess it was a weekly call.

And then, you know, there was some time went by, and then it just didn't still couldn't get a hold of him.

So also,

Susan around this time has been acting a little bit strange.

One guy here who we'll talk about named Michael, who will have plenty of, he'll have plenty to say, and it's all hilarious, by the way.

This guy, I want this guy to have a fucking Netflix special, but he can't know that they're even filming him, like a hidden camera Netflix special where he's just talking to people because he's fucking unintentionally hilarious.

Follow his day.

Oh, he's the, this guy's amazing.

I want to just follow him around.

He said Susan had always been nice, and I noticed a change in her.

there.

So he'd been kind of living on and off here for a while on the property.

And he said that Susan started acting differently after Robert disappeared.

He said she was real irritated.

Now, they said that

Susan was always nice to everybody else, but she and Robert didn't get along.

A lot of fighting.

Robert's a drinker.

Okay.

He likes to drink and he likes to get loud and that kind of thing.

So they end up arguing a lot.

Getting Craigslist employment.

That's the other thing, too.

Yeah.

I don't think he's real stable here at all.

So

another friend here here and former, or I'm sorry, a former worker of Susan on the property said, and when she got angry, she would yell at him, not really a yell, more of a scold.

Okay.

She targets him with her rage.

Yeah, but it's very much put him in place, though, of you are not allowed to do this and you should be doing that.

And very much talking down to him as a, as a.

A person also, Susan has a little bit of a thing where Susan's kind of a pretty smart person.

Sure.

And she treats a lot of people like she's an idiot.

Like they're an idiot, basically.

Like she's okay.

Like she's smarter than them because she is.

I mean, that's, and she also, something about people who drink, she really looks down on them in a weird way, too.

Yeah, like they can't even control her drinking.

So

anyway, they said that, yeah, she would do more of a scold.

One neighbor said that she had a strained relationship with Susan, and she didn't know who was arguing, but often heard yelling from over there.

Okay.

Yeah.

She said that, quote, she was actually hollering in the middle of the night, and I hadn't really met them other than just seeing them in the road.

So anybody who lived there at all.

So January 1st, 2014, Robert's kids drive out to check on their dad.

Sure.

They drive out to Susan's farm.

Now, he's got like a trailer is what they're calling it, but it's like a truck with a back camper thing on it.

Camper shell?

Not a shell.

It's got like a...

Like it's high.

It's like enough to live in.

It's like if you

go back

rails.

Yeah.

It just kind of builds it up.

It kind of, yeah, like that.

So that's what he he's that's he's got one of those parked on the property.

And I guess sometimes he stays there.

He had been staying in the barn, but then he moved into there.

And he's got a dog, too, in the mix here.

There's a lot going on.

So they spoke to Susan, the kids, when they came out to find Robert, and she said, I haven't seen him since he quit four months ago.

He quit and took off.

Four months ago, yeah.

Quit and took off.

I don't know.

So Jesse, the son, said, Susan said that my dad just basically left.

She wanted us to come retrieve our dad's stuff.

And she was also like, yeah, he left four months ago.

He left his trailer, all his shit here.

You should get it off my property.

Get it out.

Yeah.

So they went over to his trailer and they said as soon as they looked in his trailer, they knew that something was up here.

Jesse said his leather jacket was there.

His dog was still running around and all of his tools were there.

It made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

Yeah, he's not going going anywhere without his tools.

That's what he does for work.

Well, she said he took off, and she thinks he went somewhere to go look for work.

She said, I think Ashland, he went to go look for work.

So

you don't go look for work, and especially in January, you don't not take your jacket or your tools to go work.

It just doesn't make any sense.

So understandably, they're a little bit taken aback by this.

He said he found most of his father's belongings intact, including vehicles and other items, but could never find his dad's wallet anywhere around.

So, yeah,

it's interesting.

So they end up filling out a missing persons report with the Jackson County Sheriff's Office, and they learn also that months had passed since anyone had seen him.

And a lot of times he lived on cash, which makes it not very easy to track his actions here, too.

So police come out to the farm because it's a missing persons report, and that's the last place he was seen.

Yeah.

So you got to put together a timeline and they go take a look over here.

They

pull up to the property and there's the camera footage of them pulling up to the property and pictures and it looks like a fucking mess.

It looks like a mess.

It looks like they have back here, they used to have these like paintball courses that were like zombie apocalypse themes.

Awesome.

Where there's like, you know, like an old trailer tipped over on its side that people can hide behind and like a fridge that someone will pop out of that's like garbage hang.

Shit like that.

That's fun unless you have to investigate.

That's the thing, unless you have to go look through that shit.

But this looks like this is all the fun of a paintball course, but with no paintballs.

This is just

a scary place.

Yeah.

Like, if everybody left, some company could just go, oh, we'll have paintball wars here, obviously.

Let's just set up shop.

You just decide which side stands where, and there we go.

Well, clearly, this is a paintball field, and that's all it's

there.

Yeah, there's shit everywhere.

There's vehicles, debris, kind of makeshift shanty town structures

where it looks like a little Hooverville in there somewhere.

It's real weird, man.

The one police officer says, I'm thinking to myself as we are pulling up, are we in the Twilight Zone here?

What the fuck am I doing here?

Like, everybody pulled out was like, whoa, this place is weird.

We have to discern from what's normal and what's not here.

Yeah, it's like they pulled up and he's like, maybe I'll retire, start a zombie apocalypse themed paintball course here.

That seems like what I'm doing.

This looks all confusing.

Jesus Christ.

So So Susan told the cops that Robert lived and worked on her property for about six months, but things kind of took a bad turn for him, and he left.

The cops said, quote, he received a concerning call from a family member that she had been the victim of an assault, and he was really upset about that.

This will go on.

They claim that Susan claims he got a call.

from a family member saying that someone in his family got raped, attacked and raped.

And he was really upset about it.

And Susan said that basically he left to go, quote, take care of that.

Stevens did?

Robert left.

Robert, Robert.

Robert.

Yeah.

Robert left to go, quote, take care of the rapist.

The rape.

He's going to go kill the rape.

Or

apparently.

So,

okay.

I mean, good luck.

But, you know, that's the story.

She claims he began drinking heavily and acting erratically after that phone call.

And she said he eventually told her he's going away for a while and said, Could you please take care of my dog?

I got to go take care of this rape thing.

Okay, keep an eye on my trailer and my dog and my tools.

I'm going to

go avenge a rape.

I'm going to go avenge somebody's honor right now, but I don't need my jacket, luckily.

Yeah, I'm going to go because it's in a very warm climate.

This person's honor.

San Diego.

It's honor.

It's going to be okay.

Going to the high desert for this one.

So they were, the only way they're able to track Robert at all is he has an Oregon Trail electronics benefit transfer card.

That's your, like your, like your EBT card, like welfare or social security, whatever, SSI card.

They need to be able to get

Oregon Trail, which is pretty funny.

No, no, they were like, nah, nah, everyone loves Oregon Trail.

We're doing that.

He's a champion of this game, and he has benefits for life.

For life.

He got there.

He didn't even take the banker.

He was a farmer, and he went that route and somehow made it.

So they learned that it had been last used in December of 2013.

So, I mean, he's supposedly missing since shit, September,

September, early October, and this was used in December at a Walmart in Grants Pass, Oregon, which is about 25 minutes from Susan Monica's property and where he was living.

So apparently, she says he left four months ago, but he was in the area a month ago.

Just recently, right.

At Walmart, apparently.

So they figure that out.

They say that it had been used at a date after Susan Monica said he had disappeared.

That's what one of the cops said.

So at one point,

out of nowhere, while they're chatting with her about this, because she's just saying when she saw him, she just spontaneously says,

I'm in the process of trying to get a government grant for research with pigs on how they consume human bodies.

What?

She just tells a group of detectives that at her house

that never asked anything about her pigs, human bodies.

They said, have you seen Robert?

You know,

his card was used at a Walmart.

And she said, I'm trying to get money for this.

Okay.

She said, Robert Haney, quote, got all crazy and destroyed a room on the property the last time she saw him.

You'd be like, hey, that's great.

Can you go back to pigs eating humans?

Right.

Can we?

But I'm in the middle of

building a laboratory to see how fast this flesh-eating amoeba works.

We're going to do that.

I'm trying to see how quickly I can produce as much rice in this population as possible.

Is that a thing?

No, let's go back to that.

So yeah, she said he just got all crazy, destroyed a room on the property and all that kind of shit.

So they asked, hey, can we look around the property?

To which she said,

she joked around about, hey, I'm going to need a warrant for that, buddy.

Ha ha ha, like that.

Then, out of, again, unprompted, she says, quote,

I've threatened to kill everybody and feed them to my pigs, but the thing is,

pigs would probably eat you, but it's not going to be good for them.

No, no,

look around.

I said, can we look through this guy's trailer?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

This is the craziest verbal diarrhea I've ever heard of in my life.

Just can't stop talking about pigs eating people without being asked about it.

So then she said, I mean, but yeah, that's obviously I told you I was trying to get a grant.

So, you know, I'm just joking.

Then she said that, you know, I'm always just joking, though.

I have a real dark sense of humor.

She always says, I have a real dark sense of humor.

Wow.

So they're going to look into this whole

issue and see what happened here.

And so they look and they, like I said, they found out that the

EBT card was used at the Walmart near the house.

So they go to Walmart.

Walmart keeps their security footage.

So

they look through the security footage and they get to the time of where Robert's card's used.

And it's Susan Monica using his card.

Susan.

It's not him using his card.

What did she buy?

Who knows?

Just shit at the groceries she was buying.

It was regular shit.

Yeah, just groceries.

He's using his benefits.

Yeah.

So one of the cops said, that's when I was like, okay, we got something else going on here.

I was really concerned that there was some foul play involved.

If she's pretending to be him using the card, you know, just whatever, to take his card, and then at the same time won't shut the fuck up about pigs eating people.

We got a lot of questions.

I want to talk to that person.

So January 10th, 2014, so that's how quickly this escalated from the first with the kids driving out there to the 10th.

They're investigating

the fraud.

deal with the card.

So that's when they went to Walmart, got the footage, and now they come back with a warrant to search her house because, you know, possible crimes there.

So they investigated the food benefit usage card and found evidence that she'd been using the card, obviously.

So they obtained a warrant to search the property, and the warrant did not limit the search to any particular piece of the property.

Oh.

It could be anywhere.

She owned nearly 20 acres of land strewn with debris, burn and junk piles, animal enclosures, and various structures.

That's from a court document, quote unquote.

When executing the warrant, they spoke with Susan, who admitted to using the card.

She was like, well, yeah, I was using it, but she has an explanation for it.

She said, well, she said that the whole point is he wanted beer,

and he can't buy beer with an EBT card.

So

he would give her the card, and Susan would buy beer with cash and then use the equal amount on food for herself.

And she said she'd buy milk, bread, cheese, whatever the fuck, you know, basic staples and shit.

So she said, that's what I was doing.

Well, they were like, but you said you hadn't seen him in four months.

Yeah, so you couldn't have bought him beer.

So when did you buy him beer?

Four months ago?

And then he gave you his card.

And then what's he been doing for food for the last four months then?

Because that's how he eats, is that card?

Yeah.

So they're all a little bit confused here.

But really, they're more taken aback by the complete and total fucking squalor that this place is.

This place is horrifying.

There is

just garbage piles.

Her refrigerator is a horror scene, dude.

Her refrigerator is just packed with shit and it's all leaking out and there's black stuff.

Yeah, it's disgusting.

It's fucking disgusting.

There's garbage.

Just keeping a mess cold.

Cold mess.

She's eating it, I think, though.

That's the thing.

They also said there is industrial waste there, which I don't even know what that is, what it could be.

I don't know.

Slurry of some kind that came out of a fact I don't know what's going on rich geranium

could be anything I really feel like here

so the one of the sheriff's detectives said I would describe that property as eerie there was a very strong odor there a lot of decay growth but just of food and animal shit and decay decay

that's decay is

a bad word for anything yeah so um so they have to look through all this shit there's also burn piles and junk piles and fucking pig pens and all this type of shit here.

So she told them again, and you know, I used it to buy food in exchange for beer.

So they walk around the property with a video camera shortly after beginning recording.

So they're just walking around.

They have video cameras there because it's 2014.

That is a nice part of this.

That helps.

So while recording and surveying the property, they encounter a human leg.

What?

Just a leg.

Yeah.

Just hanging out.

First they spot a human leg in a in a pond, in a catchment pond, they say.

They said it was clear that it was not an animal bone.

It appeared to me to be a human leg that had been severed mid-femur down to the toes.

So it's not a leg.

Yeah.

This isn't somebody like died in the woods and an animal picked them apart.

It's been severed in mid-femur.

Think about that.

That's the most

dense bone.

You got to saw your ass off to get through that shit.

Yeah, that is a got to put some elbow grease into that, bad boy.

Yeah.

Wow.

So once they find a leg, they go, I think we should talk to Susan a little closer.

Sue, why is the leg?

And hey, she's got a bunch of different people living on here, a bunch of like kind of half-transient vagrant people living on the property.

Anybody could have done anything to anybody, but you're the middle of this and you might know everybody.

So no one's blaming Susan here, but we're, you know, we don't know

what's going to, yeah.

Yeah, but there's a leg at your house.

You know, what's up with that?

And the leg is found near her house part, too.

Not near, not like way out in the woods or like over by somewhere.

This is like up by the house.

You'd notice it.

Yeah.

You'd notice it, especially because there's a 30-foot

halo of no why do you think I told you that?

There's no trees around for 30 feet.

Yeah.

So you can see it.

Yeah, you wouldn't miss it if you lived there.

If there was a leg anywhere within 30 feet of my house, I'd find it soon.

Probably, yeah.

And I got a dog.

I was going to say, my dogs will find it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's somebody's dog.

My dogs will drag that right to the door and be like, take a look.

Oh, man.

So they bring her in, and they also bring in a couple other people who are living on the property at the time.

One is Michael Bales, and this is the guy who I just love this guy.

I didn't even look, I don't want to look him up and find out that he's been like arrested for molesting 12 kids or something because he's just hilarious.

I don't want to know what horrible things he does or could possibly be into, but he's fucking funny.

So he lived on the property for a few months, did some work, and I guess he'd kind of come back and forth on and off on Susan's property, as a lot of people seem to do, by the way.

Yeah, you fall into your instability and you're like, well, there's a safety net over there.

I'll go do that.

And then you kind of get tired of it, and then they try to go back into the world.

And then you want to try again.

I can always come back here and like chop some wood for board, basically.

Room and board.

So they sit him down in the interrogation room.

and he's right away, he goes, you guys going to play good cop, bad cop?

That was our fucking dude.

Which is hilarious.

The cop starts laughing because,

like, I don't even think this guy was around when he was around when Robert was there, but they definitely don't think he killed him at this point because

they're laughing.

And the one cop goes, no, no.

He goes, we're both good cops.

He says, there's no reason to play good cop, bad cop, buddy.

He said, maybe if there was a reason, but if we had to play it, and the cop points to the other cop and he goes, He'd be the bad cop.

That's the bad guy.

So Michael says the greatest thing ever.

He looks at the other guy and goes, Yeah, he looks like he could be a real dickhead sometimes, don't he?

That's what he said.

A real dickhead sometimes.

He didn't even say something like, You're gonna take that from him.

He said, Yeah, he does look like a dick.

He looks like, Yeah, he looks like he'd be a real dickhead sometimes.

So the first cop just

starts dying like it's totally real, too.

Like Like he's not just building rapport.

That's hilarious.

Because I'm laughing at home.

If I was in the room, I'd have high-fived the fucking guy.

That's funny as shit.

The better part is that he knows that guy, so he probably has some experience with him.

Yeah.

And maybe he is a dickhead.

That's what's so funny.

It's so fucking funny.

Ah, he fucking clocked you, didn't he?

So as they're all laughing, Michael goes, I mean, no offense, that's my middle name.

Dickhead.

Michael Dickhead Bales, apparently.

So

that's, he's just, he doesn't give a fuck, this guy.

He's clearly got nothing to hide.

Nothing to hide, nothing to lose.

He's not one of these guys like, oh, I don't want the community to find out that I've been questioned.

He lives in a barn, and he doesn't give a fuck about anything.

He's awesome.

I live in a barn, and that guy looks like a dickhead sometimes.

That guy's a dickhead, and fucking, I don't know, man.

That's awesome.

So,

yeah, they talk about, there's this guy, Brady, who I guess was in a wheelchair, and then he's on crutches later on when they talk to him.

He's kind of a heavy set.

It's a miracle.

A heavy set holder guy.

Yeah.

Well, he had an injury.

Yeah.

He's healing.

He's all good now.

It was crazy too because he had polio and just got over it.

He's just walking now.

So they said that your friend Brady is in a wheelchair and he said, yeah, yeah.

Up in Rogue River, he introduced me to Susan.

And he said that she gave me a job.

Okay, you know, I went up there.

I was cutting wood for her and I had nowhere else to go.

So, you know, I guess you'd call me a vagrant or whatnot.

And so he doesn't even care.

He's like, I guess I'm a vagrant.

You're a dickhead.

I'm a vagrant, whatever.

Like, who cares?

Let's all be each other.

So, um,

keeping it above board.

Yeah, he, dude, he sounds honest as shit.

And he's like leaning forward, too.

Like, you know, you, you asked me, I'm answering, buddy.

Like, he looks like he's like a hockey goalie who's like ready for a puck to come at him.

Best in this conversation, man.

That was a good part of it.

And he liked Robert, too.

He said that she was pretty nice to me, and then all of a sudden sudden, she turned not very nice.

And they said, oh, wow, well, how long were you living up there?

She said, I lived up there probably about three months.

And then he said, quote, she's a fucking weirdo,

which is just a funny statement.

So you call someone a fucking weirdo.

I'm interested to hear why, because that's pretty, I don't know why.

It's

a

pretty good judge of character.

I like him.

He's succinct.

He's like a USA Today headline.

He's very succinct.

He calls no punches.

No punches.

They said, why do you say that?

And then he said, my favorite thing I've ever heard in the history of any kind of interrogation, you got to understand, like, he talks like this and everything.

Like, he's got like a real.

He said, I don't know.

She just gave me the hee gee beege.

You know what I mean?

The hee gee bee gees.

You know, I felt all the Gibb brothers just popping up on me and stuff.

A CGBG feels like a fever over a blowjob.

Gave me the old Heeji Bee Gee, but I couldn't get off on it.

You know what I mean?

She gave me a little bit of a- I had to finish myself, you know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

Later on, and just said, No, it's all good.

Never mind.

It's not your fault.

I said, Never mind.

I got a headache and stuff.

So, you know, I just ain't working tonight.

And I just went in the bathroom.

My hip fell asleep.

I'm sorry.

About 30 seconds to finish myself off there.

The Hee GGs.

That's terrific.

I've never heard that one before, have you?

He's just a very confused guy.

The heejee beejeez.

He said, Sometimes you can just tell when someone's a weirdo, and she just gave me that feeling.

Yeah.

The heejee beejeez.

That's that feeling.

That's them.

Which I'll never call it anything but the heejee beejeez again.

Always be the heiji.

Man, I'm getting the heejee beejeez right now.

So they said, were you living in the barn?

And he said, I live over in the big ass barn.

The big one?

The big one?

Big ass barn.

Not that little bitch barn.

The big ass barn there.

I lived in two of the rooms.

I lived upstairs, but then there was a TV that got put in downstairs.

So I moved there.

Yeah, I'd get the fuck upstairs, too.

He was just living in like this quiet.

upstairs of a barn with not even a TV, just nothing going on.

I don't think the Wi-Fi is that strong out here.

I feel, you know, what's this guy doing?

He said that he said Robert, the guy who's missing, was originally lived downstairs, and then he got tired of her screaming at him, and so he moved to his trailer way over on that side of the property.

Sure, sure, yeah.

Basically farther away from the house.

Like, if Susan wants to yell at me, she's going to have to walk her fat ass over here and do it because

I'm not going to be right there to yell at anymore.

So police ask him, meaning Michael here, looking back, are there things that were suspicious to you or kind of click in your memory?

Like, what was weird?

And he said, everything she did was weird.

That's what he said.

He said, everything she said was odd.

Hiji Beegee's, man.

Hiji, see my, see these little bumps on them?

Those are called them are the Hiji Bee Gees.

That's what I got there.

Hiji BG bumps.

I got them.

Hiji BG bumps.

I got them there.

Yeah, which you also get sometimes after a blowjob.

That's true.

If you get them from the wrong person, that's

Hiji Biji bumps.

Got to go to the doctor at that point.

Yeah.

So everything she said was odd.

They said, well, how about actions?

What did she do around the property?

He said, quote, drove her tractor, knocked down trees, fought with Robert constantly, you know, shit like that.

He said, every day she'd have me go wake him up.

She'd say, Robert sleeps till noon and fuck him.

He ain't doing any work and, you know, all that kind of shit.

Mad about that.

Now, he says Robert's a cool guy, though.

He goes, they go, well, what did you think of Robert?

He goes, I liked him.

He goes, I thought he was a cool guy.

We got along real good.

He said, he's a real cool guy.

As a matter of fact, I still owe him 10 bucks.

I feel bad about that.

I can't wait to pay him back.

And he's like, I wish I, it's what he said, he's like, I wish I'd give it to him.

Like, it's so, this, I love it.

And this entry here is driving me fucking.

10 bucks.

It's just, it's just in the credit column, and it's a debit to me.

You know what I mean?

I just, I gotta get rid of it.

I swear he's gonna come back and go 12 bucks now because it's been so long.

I keep a 10 spot just to

pinned up to my wall just in case he comes in.

I ain't gonna miss it.

I got a saw buck just pinned right there.

He said, he told me every day, I hope my kids can get my stuff because she's gonna kill me.

That's what he said, Robert said to him every day.

Then they go, okay, when we talked to you quickly back at the barn there, you mentioned an incident to us where Susan held you over the pig pen area.

Something about that.

He said, this is hilarious, man.

Quote, I think she just thought, I think I thought she was just joking, but she's a big woman.

And don't get me wrong, she's bigger than you are.

And she just lifted me up and held me over the pig farm because I was looking at her pigs, and she knows that I'm scared of them.

So he was like, You want, she thought, Yeah, you're scared, huh?

Well, here, how scared are you now?

And held them over the pig pen while the pigs ran over there.

Yeah, so he said, I'm scared of them, and I'd never get, I'd never get in there.

But anyway, I was looking, and she held me over and laughed.

She went, Her, her,

that's what he did.

He went,

and she laughed over

She's like meatloaf from Fight Club.

Yeah,

Jesus, she's like the final boss from a Nintendo game.

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So he GPGs, her,

this guy's just, that's what I mean.

I just want to follow this guy around with a camera.

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

This is great.

You look like a dickhead.

So then she let and she just laughed and held me over there.

And she told me, I would like to see how fast my pigs could get rid of a human body.

and seems like something just kind of I just thought it was funny.

Okay, you know, I thought she was kidding, okay, you know, and they said, were you in an argument or anything?

And he went, no, no, I was just looking at the pigs.

She wasn't mad at me.

I wasn't mad at her.

This was just a, hey, what do you think of this, buddy?

That's so fucking weirdo if you ask me.

It's everything she does is odd.

So, yeah, that's he said she laughed and laughed as she said all this shit.

Like, I want to see if what's up with the pigs, how fast they can eat a body.

So it's fucking interesting.

So, you know, they said that, well, okay, the cop said, we're familiar with the property.

If you have, you're living in the barn there, and he said, yeah, big, big, old, you can't miss it.

We've been up there.

I've lived.

Yeah.

He talks about the TV again.

Really proud of having that TV downstairs.

You guys understand.

It's got

real nice.

And then they're like, now, Robert, they talk about Robert and they go, we got to confirm that we're talking about the same guy with a photograph.

And he goes, no, No, that's him.

It's Robert.

I know who we're talking about.

And they go, Yeah, no, no, no, but it's like a police thing.

We got to get a photograph.

And he goes, I know him.

It's him.

Don't worry about it.

And he just turns back to the other cop, just dismissing that guy completely.

Nah, fuck that.

I don't need to see no pictures.

He really is a dickhead, isn't he?

Fucking Robert.

So, oh man, downstairs, they're talking about, they're talking about living downstairs in the barn and all that, and that Robert got tired of her.

So they said, he said this, that she wanted all her work done for free, and he wasn't doing it.

And, you know, he wanted more money.

And, you know, they would argue about how much work he did as opposed to she thought he didn't do enough.

He thought he did too much for the amount he was being given.

Whatever.

But Robert said, but Michael said that he was my buddy, though.

I got along real good with him, though.

Everything was great.

Co-worker, and we're good friends at him.

We're good friends.

Now, Brady Murray is the guy who had a miracle happen to him, the miraculous recovering Brady Murray.

He's in there.

This guy in this interview, I don't know if he's on pain pills or what, but he is not coherent.

Like,

he goes in and mumbles off and something like that.

And he's, you know, it's kind of, you know, and then she went

over there.

And he's got his crutches.

And the way he's sitting, too, he's got his legs like all out.

And like, he looks just, it's just weird anyway.

But they talked to him.

He only lived on the property about three weeks before this police interview.

So he wasn't even, didn't even cross over with Robert at all here.

But they asked, what did she say about Robert?

Like what kind of person he was.

And he said, what little she talked about to me seemed good.

She said he was a good worker.

He was an alcoholic.

She'd go downstairs and she'd hear him hollering and that kind of thing.

And they said, what were the things that she didn't like about him?

And he said, oh, none that I know of.

She said he liked his work.

And then he goes on to say, Susan told him that Robert had a family member raped and that he was going to take care of it.

And that was that.

Okay, so the story is consistent.

The story is consistent.

Now, they bring Susan in, obviously, for the interrogation here.

And

so they talk to her and they said, all right, yeah, we're going to talk about the Oregon Trail card here.

And they already, you know, they said, you said he gave you permission to

use the card.

And she said, yeah, you know, I would go and he gave me the PIN number and that way I could use it.

He said, she said she would use his benefits to buy beer and then she would use the card for bread, milk, and occasionally cheese.

Not all the time.

Sometimes.

Not all the time.

Jesus, how much cheese can a person eat?

But yeah.

Depends.

12 pack, 18 pack.

When I got the 18 pack,

I'd get the cheese.

I get like a three pound, like a block from the deli, and I'll just cut it myself.

I like that one, actually.

That's not bad.

She said,

other than that, I got 500 pounds of pork in my freezers,

which, by the way, has nothing to do with the disappearance of Robert, where he is, what you're using his card for.

She just says shit out of nowhere.

It's so like Tourette's-ish.

It's fucking crazy.

So they said, and then she says, she looks over into what she thinks is a recording device and says, for the record, if anybody here would like to buy some pork, I have pork.

On sale.

80 cents a pound.

I'm getting ready to get rid of another pig.

So 80 cents a pound, she's got pork available for her.

Anybody out there is looking for some extra pork.

They said, well, where do you butcher up your pigs?

Right there in the barn?

And she said, yeah, yeah, right there in the barn.

And they said, oh, you know how to do that?

You know how to butcher?

And she said, well, I know how to kill them, not necessarily butcher them.

She said, I just, I'm kind of a butcher when it comes to butchering.

She says, I'm not good at it, essentially.

They go, well, how do you kill a pig?

And she goes like this and points dead in the middle of her forehead and goes, boom.

That's all she said.

Boom.

Right like that, she says, which is a

weird way to put it.

It's bizarre as well.

While holding hard eye contact.

Boom.

Like it's just creepy, right?

Yeah.

And it's just a weird, odd thing to do.

So they said, well, what kind of gun do you use for that?

Like a rifle?

And she said, a 22.

You didn't see it?

I saw everybody standing around searching, and I didn't know why.

And the cop says, well, we stand around a lot sometimes.

Ha, ha ha.

A 22 can kill a pig?

Apparently, if you shoot it right in the forehead with it,

I guess there's a spot to shoot because she'll talk about that.

She said, anyway, I have a rifle there in my house.

I'm not a very good shot.

If I'm three feet from a pig, you're supposed to make an X from ear to ear with the cross of it in the middle of it, in the middle of the forehead.

And so that's where you're supposed to shoot, is right there.

And she said, so yeah, from three feet, I can hit the target.

And they said, well, what did Robert think about your pigs?

Did he help feed feed them?

And she said, no.

And they said, did he ever go into their area?

And he takes this

or she takes this big, deep, and Susan goes like,

not that I know of.

Okay.

Is that a no or a yes or what?

Not that I know of, which is real couching, real kind of just,

yeah.

So the cop goes, well, I mean, the pigs are certainly a conversation piece.

I mean, I'd talk about them if I were there, you know?

So basically, if he did feed the pigs or go over to hang out with the pigs, if I did that, I'd talk to you about it, basically.

So she says, well, we didn't talk

like he was just there, you know.

The two of us have talked more today than we did in the months that he was there.

That's what she says about this.

Like, me and you sitting here, this has been a longer conversation, which goes against what everybody else said.

They talked all the time and all that kind of shit.

So it doesn't make sense.

So they said, well, you must have been confused when he disappeared and he didn't come back to get his dog.

Didn't that confuse you?

And she said, I was confused, but like I said, when I saw him, it was sporadic and sometimes I wouldn't see him for a week.

And they said, he left all his stuff there, though.

That didn't seem strange.

And she said, well, he had left with somebody and he had told me that he was going to Ashland.

He mentioned to me one person in Ashland where I might get an engineering job.

So, you know, I don't know.

I thought he was just going to Ashland.

They said, well, what do you think happened to Robert?

And she said,

I figured if he went to take care of the rape thing, that he might have ended up getting the short end of the stick.

Like, you know, you're going to go fight with rapists.

Maybe they, maybe they raped him to death.

We don't know.

Or maybe they killed him.

He went to kill that guy.

No job for me.

I don't want to be involved.

Shit, now what?

And they said, well, why didn't you call us if you thought maybe that happened?

And she said, I don't know.

I didn't think it was my responsibility to call.

I figured

someone else would take care of it.

I don't know.

So, okay.

I don't want to have this conversation.

That's why.

No, shit.

So they're like, okay, now you were talking about how he drinks once in a while, and every once in a while he would flip out because of his drinking and all that kind of thing.

And they said, other than that,

your contact with him was kind of, you know, whatever.

And she said, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't see him for a week.

So that happens.

The cop takes a pause and he goes, Susan, they found a leg by your house.

They hadn't told her this yet.

Okay.

And the pause is hilarious, too.

Just the, oh.

Then there's a, by the way, the footage where the cop is going, this appears to be an ankle and a foot and a knee joint here and like describing this leg and all this type of shit.

So she says, a leg?

Yeah.

And they went that.

Yeah.

They said a human leg, you know, human next to your place.

A people.

And the guy goes, I think it might be Robert.

Oh.

And she says,

I don't know.

And And they go, well,

who could it be?

How many people you know are missing legs around your farm?

Like, what the fuck are we talking about that have been sawed off at the femur?

Anybody?

Yeah.

Was anybody like in a landmine explosion where they had to have, like, you know,

like, have their leg taken off?

Anybody get caught in a giant fucking bear trap?

Anything like that out here?

Because that's a possibility.

You're looking for Bigfoot, maybe.

Do you have any squatch traps?

Can I check your property for squatch traps?

Is that a thing?

So they said, who could it be?

And she said,

no idea.

And they said, do you think it might be Robert?

And she said,

I guess I should ask where it was, if it was down there by his trailer.

And they said, no, no, it was right next to your place, just a few feet from your house, actually, right there.

She said, well, I don't know then.

I mean.

I mean, I would know it if it was out there, but next to my house, it could be anybody's leg, really.

She said, if it was down by his trailer, he might have fallen down a hill or something and his leg severed itself at the femur and climbed back up the hill.

What are we talking about?

He fell down a hill today down in the lake.

He fell down a hill and died and sawed off his own leg at the femur to try to save himself, I suppose.

But she said, if it was my place, I don't know.

So here's a good question: Do you think it's strange that there's a human leg near your house?

It's a great question.

And she says,

very.

Okay.

Okay.

Good answer.

They said,

do you think it might be Robert?

Again, they ask her that.

She goes, I mean, it could be,

but I can't understand how it would get there because I can't see him having an accident up by my place.

They go, well, then how do you think it got there?

And she said, I have no idea.

She's not doing great.

So then they go, okay, what do you think we should do at this point?

Do you think it might be him?

Like, how should we proceed?

And she goes, well, I would definitely get a DNA test out of there if i were you yeah obviously they said okay let me ask you this yeah because you know we found just half a leg and none of the rest of robert so do you think if we search the other nineteen point nine nine acres of property do you think we're going to find any other parts of any people out there possibly

and she said i mean if it's robert's leg i guess the rest of them must be out there somewhere

yeah

that's yeah that is awfully casual to have i mean I guess the rest of a human body must be somewhere at my house.

I don't know.

Like, wouldn't you be way more like, fuck, that's gross.

A human leg.

I mean, it's a logical answer that

there may be the rest of somebody somewhere if there's a leg there.

Well, there's a reason for this logic, as we'll come up to in a minute.

She's going to tell us why she's so logical in a second.

Oh, yeah.

It's a very

engineering answer.

Don't you worry about that.

So, yeah, I guess the rest of them is somewhere.

And I go, imagine if you're the cop and you hear that.

Yeah.

Like, you're not concerned about that at all.

Yeah, but you're being too, being too casual.

This is extremely nonchalant here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they said, do you think a coyote maybe drug it next to your house?

Like they're trying to

anything?

She said, well, just some, some, some common sense things that maybe there's an explanation.

Yeah.

She said, well, I mean, that would make the most sense to me, I guess.

And they said, okay, let me ask you this.

Let's just, let's forget about the leg for a second here,

which would be hard to do, but let's forget about it.

Put that in the back of your mind.

Yeah, let's take that leg and let's just, you know, let's just put it like behind the couch for a minute for later.

Put it in the fridge for a minute.

Let's talk about something else.

You have this peaceful, tranquil place.

You try to help somebody out, it sounds.

You're trying to help them use their money smarter.

So he's trying to get her, like, listen, I think you're the good guy here.

Yeah.

I think you are the good person.

This guy is not.

You know what I mean?

You're a nice lady.

This is all good.

Teaching them consumer math.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, I'm taking the card and all that, but he's trying to spin it.

So it's like I'm on your side.

You're trying to help them use their money smarter, not drink a 12-pack every night and get wasted.

I get that.

She said, he then said, you seem like a legitimately good person who tried to do the right thing by these people.

He said, Robert had some issues.

It's actually documented in police reports that I pulled up.

He said, so I know Robert had some issues.

He could get loud and drunk and cause problems and maybe ruin that peaceful,

tranquil place you've built for yourself out there.

You know what I mean?

And she said, the only time I was disturbed by him was when he made a bunch of noise,

which is exactly what that guy just said.

What I just said, exactly.

Then he saw that was going nowhere.

So he goes,

would your pigs eat a person?

And she said, I've heard of pigs eating people.

I joke about it.

I mean, I have a weird sense of humor.

I've seen Deadwood.

I get it.

I know what happens.

Yeah, he's asking her very specific questions that are very uncomfortable.

And if I'm not under arrest, I'm fucking leaving.

Yes, I am absolutely going.

Listen, I told you I don't know anymore.

Yeah.

I feel like if you're not under arrest and they have found a leg at your house, if you say, okay, I'm leaving, they're going to go, now you're under arrest.

Yeah, you're staying, actually.

No, we're going to hang on to you because there's body parts at your house.

We wanted to do that.

It was casual, like, because you seem casual, but now we can't.

And I think they know, too, that Susan's smart.

And

if you come at her hard, she's going to shut down or ask for a lawyer or leave or whatever.

Or dang you over.

Perfect.

Yeah, that could happen too.

And go,

give you the heejee beejeez.

You never know.

So he then said, look, when I told you there was a leg by your place, you didn't even change expression.

Like, because she didn't.

She was just like,

he said, if I found a leg by my place, I'd be pretty freaked out.

Super freaked out.

And Susan says, well, I'm not freaked out.

I'm fairly surprised.

Fairly.

Fairly surprised.

And they go, well, the leg goes to a person.

It's to a person.

And she said, well, I don't even know if you're telling me the truth right now.

Flips it and says,

I don't even know if there is a leg at my fucking house.

You could be full of shit.

He said, she said, You just might be making up stories trying to get me to say something else.

Yeah.

And the guy goes, Well, obviously, the leg is from a person.

And she said, Well, I don't know that.

I don't know that you're telling me the truth.

And then they said, Well, how the hell would a fucking leg get out there?

And she says, The only logical explanation I have is, I don't know, somewhere, I don't know.

Then she says, You ever see Star Trek?

What?

Flips the script hard.

You ever see Star Trek?

I'm being honest.

Have you heard of Spock?

Do you know?

Well, she said, quote, I'm half Vulcan and half Klingon.

Very logical.

What the?

Half Vulcan, half Klingon is my ethnic makeup, in case you were wondering.

You know, I know, what are you, Italian-Irish?

Yeah.

Pointy ears, and I'm very logical.

So that's what she says.

So that's all my thing.

If it came from, if there's part of a leg, there must be more of a, above,

body, but I don't know shit about it.

So then they go back talking about

other people that used to live there.

And they're like, okay, what about this guy?

He used to live there.

He went somewhere, but people have talked to him since and they know him.

And she goes, well, yeah, he left my place.

I heard from him two, three months ago, and he was thinking about moving back to my place.

And they said, but you know that he still exists, right?

And she said, yeah, I know he still exists.

And they're like, okay.

So

then she goes into out of nowhere.

She just starts getting very like, oh, like flustered and gets a rag and wipes her face off and said that, look, I haven't been able to look in the mirror.

For the last two years, I've not looked in a mirror.

I haven't been able to take a bath in two years.

I just take a cloth and wipe my face.

And I'm just, you know, I'm miserable and I have this fucking horrible condition and I haven't been able to to take a bath.

And they listen to her do this for about a minute and a half, two minutes of her talking about that.

And there's like a second pause and they go, Susan, what do you think the chances we're going to find the rest of Robert are?

They just ignore all of that.

Listen, I get you're a dirty pig.

Listen.

Listen, we built rapport before.

I'm done with that.

Now we're asking murder questions.

Fuck rapport at this point.

Itchy you are from the dirt.

Let's talk.

So she said, in the goings on, you know, between where his stuff is on in the trailer, maybe maybe he might have fallen down.

And she said, but you guys have been down there.

I was down there.

I never saw anything.

They said, have you ever fed your pigs any other animals before?

Oh.

Let's start with that and move our way up, basically.

Any other mammals?

Yeah.

She said, well, a couple weeks ago, I went and made some stew.

And I put some bones in the liquid to add flavor to it before I

made the meal.

And they said, well, what are the pigs?

And then she gave them the bones afterwards

out of the stew.

They said, well, yeah, what are the standards all soaked in stew stuff?

What do the pigs do when they eat the bones like that?

Like that?

Do they crunch?

And she said, yeah, most of the bones, I know of that.

And she talks about her big,

she had a skull.

of one of the pigs.

So the pigs will eat each other too, but there's a big skull.

And they said, so they didn't eat up the skull then, no.

And they said, so if a human ended up in there, then it's not likely they'd eat it up.

You know, they said the human skull,

none of that stuff, right?

They wouldn't eat the human skull.

And so she says, well, a pig skull is a lot bigger than a human skull.

So I don't know.

Yeah, that's true.

So they might eat a human skull, but not a pig skull.

They couldn't get their mouth around that piece.

Perhaps something smaller.

I don't know.

So they said, Susan, our intention is to go find the rest of Robert.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And she said, yes.

And they said, we're going to search until we find the rest of Robert.

Like, you know, kind of have to.

It's kind of our job.

They make us.

If you find a leg, they go, we got to find a matching set for the rest of that, right?

Yeah, I go, I found a leg, boss.

The chief says, keep looking.

Yeah.

This isn't Mr.

Potato Head.

There's more.

And find it.

This is crazy.

Very few people are just a leg.

They just sawed it off and said, I don't need that anymore and threw it in the yard.

So they said, and then we're going to compare.

You know, we're going to make sure that the the parts that we find belong to the same person.

We're going to get DNA and we're going to make sure it's Robert's or someone else's.

And

we need to know if you have any knowledge of anything that happened to him.

They said, listen, sometimes things happen that we have no control over or we didn't mean for them to happen.

This happens, which this is the minimizing it.

You're not a monster.

You're just a person that was in a bad situation.

Anybody would have done what you did.

Sometimes you got to take a leg.

Yeah.

You see cops in interrogation rooms with people that have killed their children, beat them to death, and go, I hit my kids all the time.

Say, what?

You hit him?

The little bastard hits his head on something.

That's your fault now.

And the guy will go, I know.

And then they slap the cuffs on him and say, you piece of shit.

And he's done.

So, yeah, they go on trying to basically alleviate her of guilt so she'll admit to it so they can arrest her for murder.

You know, you know how they do.

So, you know, they go, you know, for various, things happen for various reasons and we hide things and, you know, we don't expect, you know,

as they're going into this, she just puts this conversation on a hard stop and says quote if my pigs did eat Robert would you kill my pigs

what huh pardon

what was that excuse me they said

I mean obviously this shocks the shit out of the cops that she would say that so yeah the guy seems flustered he goes well I I don't know I that's that's something we'd have to look at like that's not really on the books you know what I mean yeah what the penalty is for for pig on man crime.

We really isn't, I don't know if the laws are in the books over that.

Like, if your dog ate a kid,

it depends.

Was the dog fed that food only?

Or did it go attack and kill the child?

Also, dogs and pigs are different.

Are these attack pigs?

That's what I'm saying.

Well, I think pigs are all the same.

Pigs eat whatever you put down.

Pigs are wild animals.

They're not really controllable when it comes to what they eat.

Whereas a dog, you know, I don't know.

If a dog attacked a kid, they'd blame you for that.

I don't think they blame you for a pig attacking someone.

So they said, it's a really, obviously the oddest question ever, but

she's concerned about the fate of her pigs here, which is the strangest part of this whole thing.

It's really weird.

I don't know.

In her mind, though, the pigs are, you know, they're not in the wrong at all if they did eat them.

That's just them just being pigs.

It's just them.

Yeah, pigs being pigs.

Pigs are being pigs.

so they go well why don't you just tell us what happened how about that why don't we start from because we're talking about a leg and you're talking about what if my pigs ate a guy let's put our cards on the table here let's you know let's just uh see what we both have in our hands here one who won the poker match so she said everything i told you was the truth okay

and um

They said, but she said, up until about a week after Bobby had called me, that's Robert's, one of Robert's sons, who said, I don't know where my dad is.

Do you know?

She said, I don't know when, but sometime about a week after Bobby called, I went down to the pigs.

So he had been gone a week, apparently, or he had been missing a week from the kids.

The kids said they called.

He wasn't around.

She said, I went down and he was like half eaten.

Yeah.

Oh,

that's information.

So the cop goes, by what?

The pigs?

He was half eaten by the pigs?

What are we talking about here?

She goes, it was early in the morning.

I would go, oh, I'd cross my leg for that.

Okay, let's settle in for a story.

Applesauce, let's hear it.

The sun was just rising over the rolling hills as the fog broke in

the morning dawn.

And she said, and I saw what happened.

His guts were all over the place.

Oh.

And the cop goes,

which is great.

And she continues, he was still alive.

I knew he wasn't going to be alive for more than, you know, a few more minutes.

His guts are out.

You know, his guts are out.

Yeah,

if you can pick out someone's internal organs because they're, you know, next to them, they probably aren't going to live that much longer, I would say.

See a hole, and out of that hole comes guts.

Hey, is that a pancreas?

That's a bad sign.

Yeah.

All.

So she said, I went back up to my house

and I got my gun and I shot him in the head.

Oh, I euthanized a person on my property.

Yeah, she said I had to put him out of his misery.

Yeah, is what she said.

Now, this is fucking wild, number one.

First of all, if you found your pigs eating a person who worked on your property, I would assume you would probably call somebody for that, right?

Yeah,

at least 911.

I don't know who they're going to send, but

you leave that on them.

You call 911, they send over whoever they need to, the pig unit,

whatever they got to send out there.

I don't know.

I don't want to be disparaging police officers, but.

Why?

Who cares?

It's all of them.

Yeah, I don't know what kind of the wildlife fucking unit.

Yeah, it's a different one.

So she then said,

I didn't want my pigs to be shot.

Yeah.

And I didn't want my pigs to be shot for something that's natural.

because you know the pigs the pigs get hungry, you know, and if he was out there, I don't know what happened to start with.

She said, if he went out and you know, started doing something to them, I don't know.

She said, I can't see that my pigs would go ahead and do something to somebody without cause.

But my pigs are real good.

They're real moral like that, I noticed about my pigs.

They don't fuck with people.

That's all they will.

Let's not mistake that.

They are very Old Testament, these pigs.

I'll tell you what, right now, they have beliefs and they're strong by them, eye for an eye.

And, you know, oftentimes when I shoot one in the fucking face, they all say, we saw that.

Watch your back, Sue.

Yeah, they know what's going on.

So she said, they've always been very friendly with me.

They're still very friendly with me.

I don't want to say, I didn't want to say anything.

And, you know, I was afraid you were going to go out and shoot my pigs.

What a thing to say.

Because because the cop is like, I'm sure the cop's like, I'm so sick of hearing about these pigs.

Fuck the pigs.

Because the cop goes, yeah, that's not going to happen right now.

Okay.

We're going to look into that.

And, but, you know, tell me, like, back to the beginning, what happened?

You just told me you shot a man.

You shot a man in the head to put him out of his misery.

And then you're just glossing over that to tell me about you're worried about the pigs.

Yeah.

I'll go out there right now and blow every one of these pigs up.

It doesn't matter.

We're talking about a murder case, okay?

This is crazy.

Yeah, fuck.

So they said, How did you know Robert was in there?

Did you hear a noise?

What happened?

Yeah.

And they said, I came down in the morning, and this was maybe it was over a month since I'd seen him last.

And because it was about the time when Bobby had called to ask me what was going on, and I told him I had no idea.

And so he had been gone, and he had been gone for over a month, okay?

I mean, he'd been gone for over a month.

And they said, a month.

And she said, yeah.

She said, I came down to feed my animals and I just heard this moaning and stuff.

Whoa.

And I heard screaming, not, not really a scream, just moaning and moaning.

And his guts were out, but he was still alive again.

And he was moaning.

And it was, you know, and he was moaning a little bit.

She just kept saying he kept moaning.

So they go, so what did you do then?

She said, I yelled at the pigs.

Well, obviously, you want to.

Bad pigs.

That's bad.

No.

No.

We don't eat guts.

Charlotte, no webs tonight.

No, we're not.

No, don't you, don't compliment these pigs tonight.

I'm sorry.

They are on punishment.

A lot of trouble.

We've had so many Charlotte's web references lately.

I don't know how it keeps coming up.

And every show it comes up.

I don't understand this.

Yeah.

So, yeah, she said, I yelled at the pigs and they were just

doing their thing.

They were just, they just, you know, were having lunch lunch or

breakfast.

They were just having breakfast on him.

On him.

Not on him.

Of him, I think is what you want to say.

Dining on him.

Yeah, and I could see that, you know, there was no way he was going to be able to get to the hospital and live.

Because his guts were out.

You know, you'd have to pick up his intestines and put them in a Walmart bag and carry them with him.

You know, yeah.

Got to grab his spleen and put that in there.

So she said, I didn't think

he had got any more to live than just a few more minutes.

But, you know, and he didn't say anything.

He was just moaning.

So they said, so, but you went back into your house.

Right.

And they said,

and she said, yeah, I went back up and got my rifle and I saw, and I shot him in the head.

Like, duh, what the fuck would you do?

Like, she says it like very obviously.

I would shoot him in the head.

Yeah.

Like, he was just, I don't know if she just thought of the people that worked on her property as like other farm animals.

Like,

yeah, I mean, everything that's here, you put it out of its misery.

Especially if their guts are hanging out.

They can throw over their shoulder like a continental soldier, James.

That's a problem.

So.

I don't know if she just thought, like, well, if a goat of mine wandered into the pig pen and got half eaten, I'd put the goat out of its misery.

Like, I don't know if she just thought of Robert as like a goat or like

goats and people people are on the

same level.

I don't know if just living by yourself on this property for a while would make you kind of skew yourself.

Farmers don't kill people and feed them to the pigs, do they?

I don't have an agreement with the goat to build a house from the ground up.

That's true.

I don't have an exchange beer for cheese program going on with any goats on my property.

Some kind of welfare exchange program.

I don't

her fucking view of people is really low

like michael said everything she said is odd and it really is

fucking weirdo give me the heebie jeebies or the hee gee bee gees right now

heegie bee gees

hee gee bee gees i rewound that like 12 times to make sure it's like i can't misquote he really says heegie bee gees this isn't just me trying to be funny here and he thinks it's that that's the best part Yeah.

He's like, and he said it like real, like, serious.

She gave me the Hiji Bee Geese.

You know what I mean?

Like, he didn't stop and wait.

Like, wait, that's not right.

Like, none of that.

So the cop asks, okay, you shot him in the head.

How many times did you do that?

Great question.

She said, I don't know.

And they said, more than once.

And she said, I don't know.

You don't know?

You don't know.

So they said, so you're sure you did it once.

You're not sure if you did it.

And she said, I don't know.

I don't know.

And they said, more times.

And she said, I don't know.

So that's the back and forth.

And they said, well, after you shot him, then what happened?

Let's go there.

Did he die immediately?

And she said, yes.

And he said, and then what did you do?

She said, quote, I went and fed my other animals and I just left them there.

Like, duh, what the fuck else would I do?

And they said, so as far as you know, he was never moved from where the pigs are, the pig pen.

And

yeah, they said, well,

what reason, why do you think he was in there?

And she said, I have no idea why he would go into the pig pen.

I have none at all.

And they said,

were you angry at him when he came back?

And she said, well, I didn't see him come back, so I couldn't have been angry.

She said, you know, he left for a month, came back, and next thing you know, he's being eaten by pigs.

Came back to suicide himself in the pig pen?

Yeah.

Or I guess maybe try to steal pigs to sell.

I don't know what her, I don't know what her.

She's trying to

clock back in, was feeding the pigs and they got him.

Yeah.

But he doesn't feed the pigs.

That's part of it is he doesn't go near the fucking pigs.

She's the only one who deals with the pigs.

So that's, she can't even say that.

She said, you know, I was angry at him, angry at him and my kid, and, you know, all that kind of thing, and angry at my pigs for what happened.

She said, I was angry at everybody.

I was angry at him and the pigs.

Bad pigs.

Bad pigs, bad ranch hand.

Yeah.

bad.

Yeah, it's fascinating.

She doesn't remember how many times she shot him, but she does know he died immediately.

Immediately, dead.

Yeah.

So they said, the pen area you're talking about, is that going to be right by the south of the barn, but pretty close to the barn?

You know, how close do you think it was to the barn where the body was?

And she's like, I don't know.

So they said, so what happened?

You know, after you fed the rest of your animals and then checked the, you know, the pigs, obviously,

the pigs are going to to do what they're going to do.

You can't stop them, all right?

I get that.

Pigs will pig.

Pigs are going to be pigs.

So if they're going to come back to him, if you were ever, did you, maybe were you originally trying to shoe the pigs off, but, you know, like, but with leaving him there, obviously they're going to eat him.

And she just says, yes.

They said, did you ever move any part of him out of the pen?

And they said, I mean, there's got to be some path, like even, like, even some things that pigs don't even eat.

Like, you said they don't eat clothes, right?

Like, they would be in there where are they

and she said uh a few days later when most of him was gone

i went and i picked up the clothes i i picked up a few parts that were left also

okay a few parts just said you know like a skull and um and an arm

And I'm not sure if

there was the skull, if you go back out to my barn.

And then she goes, well, let me draw you a little picture.

She said, what's what's left of him is in a couple of plastic bags right there, okay, pointing at the picture.

Wow.

She said, you know,

they said, so you shot him in the head.

She said, well, I didn't want to miss, you know, and I had to get close and shoot him in the head.

Jesus.

And they said, was he laying on his back or to the side or anything like that?

And she said, well, on his back.

And so, you know, I didn't know.

I don't know what happened.

There's a lot of kind of that back and forth.

So they said, okay, so he's lying on his back.

And she said, yeah, I think there was no way for him to be alive for more than a couple more minutes.

Went up to my house, got my rifle, but, you know, I just turned my head and I shot.

Just looked.

They said, and okay.

And then, did you see anything like that?

She said, I did see his heart move, his heart beating.

He said, I never, yeah.

He said, do you ever think maybe if you got an an ambulance there, they might be able to do something about it?

And she said, no, no, no, no, no.

She said, no way.

They were going to take a half hour to get out there.

It's the middle of nowhere.

He was, you know, his guts are already out.

There's no way.

They said, there's no way he was going to live on past a couple minutes, you know, because she is a doctor also.

So she said, and like I do with everything else, I don't like to see an animal suffer.

I didn't want to see him suffering.

An animal.

Right.

What the fuck, man?

Then they said, did you ever try to destroy anything you put into those burn barrels?

Okay.

And she said, no, the clothes are still in there.

They're all burnt up.

They said, was there anything else you might have been in there, put in there and burned up?

And maybe you know it might have been in there and whatever.

And she said, no, no,

I haven't emptied the burn barrel.

So it's just hands full of ashes now.

She's like, if you want to go through the burn barrel, there it is.

I haven't emptied it, but whatever.

So they said, were you worried using his cards as card after you knew he was dead, that you would get caught?

And she said, no.

That's dumb of you.

Yeah.

And they said,

they go, well, I'm a little concerned about this.

They said, I appreciate you being honest with what you've told us.

Interesting.

So she said, though, there's the one thing, though.

Or the cop says there seems to be something missing here that a person that never goes into the pig pen, never feeds the pigs how does he end up in there mysteriously

yeah

did he ever say did he ever come to you and threaten you or you know say i'll kill your pigs maybe or something like that and he was going in there she said nope never came after me or threatened me okay well that's not an out then

it's like usually you give them the out before they admit to something so that way it'll mitigate what they're about to say she already admitted to murder and she's not taking the out

she's not taking the mitigator she's like nope nope just shot him in the head trying to help you and you're just telling us that you're a murderer.

Yeah, you're just telling us, wow.

So they say, well, she's trying to say like it was a mercy killing.

So she said, he never did anything to me.

And the only thing he ever did to me was make a big mess.

And I'm not shooting somebody over a mess because I've made a big mess before, too.

I'm a messy gal.

I'm a messy gal.

No bath in two years.

Messy.

So the cop says, you got to see this through my eyes.

I mean, honestly, think about this.

If you're me, this story seems pretty convenient.

And, you know what's going on here and she said well I don't know how he got in there or why he'd go in there I don't know anything like that you know

anything at all I just don't know so they said well if he never threatened you never came up you know in rage and never did anything about this never really pissed you off never was mad about somebody stealing his stuff or doing anything about anything else

So she said, no, if he had come to my house and threatened me, I would have shot him and I would have called you immediately and told you I shot him.

So she's like, if you threaten me there.

So they said, have you,

are you frightened of the pigs?

Are you frightened of them considering they can just take a grown man out quickly?

Yeah, she

fears them.

She said, no, I've never, I'm not frightened at all.

I've never been frightened that I've had my 940-pound pig and that he would kill me in a minute if he wanted to.

But he's very gentle.

When he was about 400 pounds or something, I walked by and I was scratching the back of his neck and he hit me with his head and put a cut in my left leg right there.

That's the only time any of my animals have ever hurt me at all.

And he was, he was not being mean.

He wasn't being mean at all.

He just twisted his head, you know, and he just, you know, did it by accident.

So he said, I don't know why Robert would be out there.

I don't know if he had been out there anytime previous to that.

And I have no idea what would happen to make them do that.

She said, I could not look at him.

I couldn't do it.

So I just heard a little bit of moaning and I saw his arm was moving a little bit.

and I just shot him.

Yeah.

So they said, you also mentioned that you don't like it when if you had a pig out here in the barn, you wouldn't be able to shoot them humanely, right?

So it was important to have a good shot on the pig so they don't suffer.

And she said that they said that's a human being asked out laying out there.

asking you didn't look from what you're or you didn't look at what you were saying but did you at least uh did you at least place the end of the muzzle somewhere close to where you thought

and she says I was I was probably maybe a foot and a half from his head at the end of the barrel yes

and there was a reason for that I couldn't look at him and take aim or anything he was he was laying there I was standing here and I went like that and pulled the trigger but you know and they said but you made sure the barrel was pointed at his head and she said yes

they said let me ask you this Susan is it possible that we might find someone else out there or remains from another person on your property somewhere?

Is it possible that, you know, anything, we might find other things that aren't Robert?

And she says, well, I don't know who that would be.

Okay.

Interesting.

And she said, I mean, this is all too much for me.

I've lost my hair.

She starts going into that.

And they're like, whoa.

She said, it's.

I'm just getting about her.

Yeah, she said, it's just very hard for me to sit here right now and even talk about it.

I just mean, you know, just I never leave my property and I wouldn't have today without putting, I would not have today without putting my wig on and I didn't wear my wig.

She's freaking out because she's not wearing her wig.

She's got a bald head, totally,

totally bald head, just, you know, shaved bald.

So they said, and your story about shooting Robert, I know that's true.

You shot him when he was in the pig pen, and I know that's true, but where else did you shoot him?

People don't always die from the first shot on the 22.

Where else was he shot at?

She said, I have no idea.

They said, was he standing up on the first shot?

And she said, No, no, he was laying down on the ground.

They're trying to get her to fuck up here.

They said, Well, you know, we have the skull, right?

I'm going to take a look at that skull, and I know how forensics are.

And they go, I'm sure you watch that kind of stuff and you understand how these things are thought of.

And they said, We can take a look at it and we can, you know, take it at all the angles and we can, you know, put all the layers in and figure out everything that happened.

They said, if all those shots came from the same area, yes, and we can also tell if it happened somewhere else,

you know,

what angle he got shot at, all that kind of thing.

They said,

is there some other way that something we're going to see that doesn't make sense in your story?

You know, like all that.

And she said, well, I might have shot him six times.

I really don't know.

Oh, boy.

They said, are we going to have an angle that doesn't match your story?

And she said, I have no idea.

I have no idea.

He was on the ground.

I know that's true.

And I know that.

And

I know that.

they said okay uh but can i also they said there's some other missing parts

what happened there and they said did you feel nothing did you feel responsible did you ask him to go out to feed feed the pigs and now you're feeling guilty about that

she said no

They said, did you require him like cleaning up something else and now you feel guilty because he was cleaning in there?

And she just said, I was lying there.

He was lying there.

I shot him.

You know, I don't feel, I feel guilty.

Do I feel guilty for, you know, the facts that my, the pig ended up eating most of him?

I do not feel guilty for causing his death.

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Oh, boy.

They said, okay, so your gunshots are what ended it?

And she said, yes.

And,

yeah, shot him in the head.

They said, did you ever point a rifle at anybody, any other person before that?

And she said, well, well, I was in the Navy.

If I saw something suspicious, I would throw a hand grenade at it.

Really?

I do that around my property, too.

Just, you know, if you go to the mall or something, you see something suspicious.

You want to throw a hand grenade at it just in case.

You never know.

You never know.

Oh, boy.

So, yeah.

So they said, so you value human life.

Great.

Sounds like you do.

That's terrific.

They said.

She said, look, I'm trying to tell the truth.

Then she says, I do not value human life very much.

No, you don't, because you tried to say,

we know you value human life.

And she said, actually, no, I don't.

I'm going to make this worse for myself.

She said, the only thing wrong with this planet is that there's people on it.

Valuing human life doesn't sound like me at all.

She said,

all the other animals, you know, if it wasn't for us, it would just be all the other animals and dodo birds and whatever else would still be here.

And the cop goes...

They killed themselves.

The cop goes, okay.

Like, that's...

The weirdest thing anyone has ever said in a fucking interrogation.

So they said, how did you feel about Robert?

You know, and she said, I don't know.

I liked him, but I don't remember.

So they said, Do you watch crime shows on TV?

Here we go.

She said, I like the British ones more than anything else.

There's one called Rosemary and Time, and they go out and solve crimes where I mean, you know, it's one of those stupid things.

You go out and trim a tree and find a body, sure.

And it, for the most part, it's things that are not plausible, you know,

whatever.

So that's what they're talking about.

She said, said, I'm most comfortable at home, though.

So she watches British crime shows.

Rosemary in time.

Yeah, they can be a little on the dull side.

So

she said that after a couple of days, she scooped up his remains, put them in garbage bags.

A wild animal claimed, she claimed a wild animal must have got into the bags and dragged the leg out to where they found it, she said.

But she didn't tell the cops because she was afraid that they would kill her pigs.

They asked her to take a polygraph.

She says, no problem.

But before I do, you might want to get your pen and pad out because I got a couple more things to tell you.

Okay.

Here's a guy, Stephen Frank

Dellicino, or Dellasino, one of the two.

He's born in 1953.

So they asked, well, what else might we find on your property?

And she said, I guess Stephen Dellasino

then she says, let me tell you this.

And she starts saying how they met.

She said, I guess he had a brain tumor and had epilepsy.

He had brain surgery to remove the tumor.

And according to his brother, that left him kind of not the same.

And that

things that were not in his normal character after surgery.

About 20 years ago, I met Steve at the residence of George and Beverly Guerrero.

He was a Seventh-day Adventist, and they had some property about five miles up the road from me.

And Steve lived in a little airstream trailer, and he did little jobs, mostly just pulling up the grass and little things like that.

And,

you know, for the ability to live in that little trailer.

George, the husband, died, and the wife buried George in her vegetable garden.

Speaking of funny farm,

what the fuck, man?

I found the rest of Mr.

Musselman.

In this case, whether that's gold or oil or Mr.

Musselman, Claude Musselman.

Keep walking around.

You may find his horse.

Keep walking around.

That's right.

He had a horse.

He never left alone.

So

they said, this is where I said, this is where I learned that you could bury people on your own property.

No, you can't.

This is background from her from later.

This isn't what she said in the interrogation.

We'll go back to the interrogation in a minute, but I'm going to give you some background on this guy and their relationship.

You can't, but I mean, there's ground and you can technically do it if you really want to.

You certainly can in, you got it, I think you got to get permitting or something for it, right?

You can't just fucking open the ground and put bodies in there.

No, I think you need some kind of

paperwork somewhere.

Some kind of like a waiver or variance or something for

you got to make sure that it's fucking zoned for that.

We were zoned for cemetery usage.

I'm not sure that's okay.

So they said that she said, this is where I learned that you could bury people on your own property.

And

so she said, you know, we didn't know if you you need to get a permit or something like that.

Didn't know.

So she said, oh, after George died, Steve started stealing from people up and down the roads.

And like I said, he was slow mentally and he didn't understand a lot of things.

He didn't understand that you could sell something that was worth $500 for $100.

All he ever wanted to do was get enough money to buy a case of beer.

So he wouldn't try to get the

best deal possible, just enough.

So she said, he was a really nice guy.

He was very much a gentleman all the time.

He would open the doors for me and always wanted to carry things for me just a really nice guy after George died Beverly would not buy him any beer so Steve is cut off from the beer here he was always drinking nearly a case of beer every day one day he took a rifle from me that was worth about three hundred dollars when I noticed it was gone I went out to the pawn shop and bought two more rifles I was hoping that if he needed beer money again he would take them

you know because I was a contractor and I didn't want him to take the tools that I needed to work all the time.

So she bought like fucking decoy items to steal.

Steal these.

Yeah, don't steal my circular saw.

Fucking, here's my

steal this rifle.

Put away her Milwaukee stuff and just leave out the shitty stuff.

Yeah, no Makitas today.

It's for you.

So

she said, and then one day he decided he was going to Florida where he had a house.

And this made no sense to me because he had been living in a little Airstream trailer for over 10 years that I knew him.

And, you know, it was just irrational as far as I was thinking that he went living in this little trailer when he had a house in Florida.

Irrational.

She's talking about irrational.

It's a great point.

It's also,

wow, I can't believe she could even recognize irrationality at this point based on her statements to the cops.

So she said, he went ahead and asked me for $100 and all, and he called me and said that he was leaving.

And I had tried several times to get him to stay where he was and move in with me.

And then

he called and wanted me to pick him up.

So I picked him up.

He was walking down the road, nothing but the clothes on him.

Back in the car, he said he wanted $100 and he was going to go to Florida.

I tried to talk to him about it a couple more times.

I gave him $100.

From Oregon to Florida.

$100.

$100 cash.

$100 cash.

I mean, I don't even know.

What you couldn't.

It would cost you more to ride a bicycle that far.

He goes, hitchhiking, I don't know.

So, and my next stupid mistake was that I asked him

where he sold the rifle that I had.

He went nuts.

He thought I was going to have him arrested for stealing.

She said, basically, she just wanted to know who he sold it to so she could get it back.

She'll go buy it back.

She said, I didn't know at the time, but he had hit me so hard with the butt of a rifle that he busted my right breast implant.

Oh, no.

That's a good shot to bust an implant.

So he went nuts, thought he was being accused of stealing, took a rifle and busted out her implant.

So

she said, I was just really, really sore.

I couldn't stand the pain much longer.

I kept yelling at him to stop hitting me, and he just wouldn't.

Finally,

I had this little gun.

He had like a Derringer, and I took it and fired it.

I said, Steve, stop hitting me, you know, and/or also,

I'm going to shoot you.

I went ahead and saw it.

I shot it again and missed.

I was trying to shoot him in the upper arm.

He pushed me really hard into the plumbing on my shower.

I shot at the same time he pushed me back, and I accidentally shot him in the head.

Okay.

Accidentally.

But all I did was make

all I did was

something.

I can't read that part.

When they did the autopsy, they found the bullet just in his scalp.

All it did was make him bleed.

When he started yelling, I'm going to kill you.

I managed to get away for a couple of minutes.

So he chased me into another room and up into the barn, and we were fighting some more.

I went and threw, and then she shot the pistol again.

And I managed to get

the pistol away, and I managed to get a hold of the rifle that he was beating me with.

And then I kind of, then he kind of kneeled down to grab my legs.

While he was grabbing my leg, I managed to turn a rifle around on him.

I was holding off,

holding him off in the room.

and

she said, Well, I was holding on to a 2x4 to keep from getting me down on the ground.

I went ahead and took the rifle, and I shot him.

He went ahead and grabbed me even harder, and I was holding the rifle with my left hand, shooting at him.

I thought I had missed, so he was yelling and whatnot.

And when he didn't die, I went ahead and shot him a couple more times.

This man took five rounds from close range of different weapons.

My God.

I couldn't believe it, but he was still holding on to my leg really tight, and I didn't know it at the time.

I'm pretty smart, but you know, nobody knows everything.

So I've learned this

that I heard about this thing called a death grip.

So after some time, I realized that he was dead after the first shot, and then I tried to get out of there.

So, yeah,

I let the two by fall four that I fall that I was holding on to, and I just tried to get out of the way.

He was still holding on to my leg, so I dragged him for a couple feet, and I was yelling at him to let go and yelling at him.

He's already dead.

I wasn't calling the sheriffs or anything.

And then I decided to go out to the other door that was in the barn.

There I went to my big pen because it was closer, and I stepped over Steve.

And when I stepped over him

to get out to the other door, he let go, I guess, of the leg finally.

I went out the door and I didn't even think about it.

But I didn't close the door.

I was just trying to get away from him.

So I managed to get out the side door of the barn, and then I I went out the gate that leads to the front part of the barn.

I went out that gate, came around, went into my little room, and barricaded the door so Steve couldn't get in.

Okay,

just shot the fuck out of him.

I went ahead and cleaned myself up.

I had blood on my back from where I had been pushed into the plumbing, and then I just waited there.

I just sat there cleaning myself up a little bit.

I think it was about an hour, an hour and a half.

I don't know how long it is, but I yelled for Steve and didn't hear any answer.

So I thought he had left.

You don't know how bullets work very well.

And then I went down and I went to

where we had the fight and he was just laying there and my pigs were licking him.

And I went ahead and tried to shoe them out

and I get a second one out while the third one of the first two would come back again.

So every time she'd get one pig out, they'd come back and it was just like a whack-a-pig.

So she said, I was still reeling in a lot of pain, having a hard time standing up.

So I figured they would just leave him alone after a while.

I'd come back in a couple hours.

i went and laid down tried to clean myself up a little bit more then i went back um out there to see what to do with steve and my pigs had dragged him

had dragged him out of the barn and there wasn't anything i could do then i just figured out just wait till morning so i got up early the next morning and went out they had been eating on him the next day i mean wow i tried to get steve away from them but it was it was useless i mean my pigs all day they weighed three or four hundred pounds and they, you know, so yeah, they just kept eating the pigs.

She said, they kept eating the guy.

So she said, I never went in anywhere around the pigs in the pen without a broom handle.

That's what I usually had.

So the broom handle or just the back of your hand, if you hit a pig on the nose, it'll back up.

They don't like being hit on the nose.

So she said also, she said, they're very strong.

You can take a bunch of bananas and throw them underneath a Volkswagen, and they will take the top of their nose, and they will lift that Volkswagen up and turn it over to get to those bananas, meaning a bunch of pigs.

She said they're very powerful.

And

yeah.

She said you could take a two by four and bust it over their heads, and they just kind of look at you.

We got it, lady.

We knew they're strong, and they eat people.

Any other examples?

If an elevator falls down, they could save the people.

That's the thing.

You see, here, the thing is, if you're on the island from Lost, right, and you had a pig.

So she said...

What I'm saying is they shouldn't do horsepower.

It's been baffling me my whole life.

I mean, let's find about pig power.

I mean, they don't run real fast, but I mean,

for just a straight strength, like maybe for bulldozers and shit, they could be pig powered.

We should do torque and pig power.

She said, the next day I took my back hoe and I put my back hoe over the next, next, close next to the fence.

I dug a hole, and then when I put it back in over the fence, I went to the pig pen.

I managed to get Steve into the bucket so I could lift him over the fence, and then went ahead and buried Steve.

I just put him down in the grave, and then I took a shovel and I shoveled some dirt on top of him, and that's all I could do for the day.

Man.

So that's what happened to, that's what she says happened to Steve.

That's what she says like nowadays.

A couple of years ago, she said that about what happened to the Steve guy.

So back in the interrogation room, though, she draws, drew a map of her property.

in the middle she put an X

and she looked at the cops and she said right there that's where you're going to find Steve

so yeah this Steve Delasino was the handyman on his property he was there a year before Robert got there oh boy so that's this was summer of 2012 this happened so this is when she started noticing she could just disappear these kind of transient workers

So she, you know, she told them that two of her guns went missing, and she said she found them in his belongings and confronted him.

She said they got in some sort of wrestling match.

The gun went off and she shot him in the back of the head.

She said that he stood up and chased her toward the barn where she picked up the rifle.

Same thing.

She said at one point during the struggle, Stephen was down on his knees.

She's above him.

She picked up the rifle, shot him in the head, fed him to the pigs, and buried whatever was left.

She said that she left the body in the pig pen, quote, until there was practically nothing left.

This is what she's telling the cops in the interrogation room.

So

now she came in just talking about buying cheese.

Now she's admitted to two people being dead, eaten, and buried on her property.

And she said nothing about it to anybody.

No.

So they said, let me ask you this here, Susan.

Are there any other dead bodies on your property?

We know about Steven.

We know about Robert.

What else?

And she said, and this is what the cop said later, quote, she told me that if she had told me about these 17 others, that she would then spend the rest of her life in jail.

So she didn't want to tell them anymore.

She said she had 17 other bodies buried out there.

We got two is enough for the rest of your life.

Yeah, just the one is good, probably.

So she said, it's not that I want to kill anyone, but I get anxious if there's someone in my way.

Oh.

Anxious.

And I kill them.

I have an urge to murder when they're in my way.

Wow.

She said,

I'm not in the psychological situation where I would become a mass murderer and you just go into a school and start killing people or going into a crowd and blowing myself up or something like that.

My general feelings when I get these anxiety attacks is more homicidal than suicidal.

You know, that's what she says.

But she doesn't want to do any mass murder.

She just wants to kill people who piss her off.

For self-preservation.

For causing her anxiety.

You know how it goes.

So then they go out and do a second search of the property, obviously, here.

And while executing the second search, they find the remains of both Robert Haney and Steve Delasino,

basically exactly where she said they were.

He was in the bags.

Robert was in the bags where she said.

And he had stuff in the burn barrel, too, clothes and things like that.

And Dellocino was buried right where she said he was buried.

So now they.

Because at first, they had said that she uh she shot Steve because

just because but then when they come back to her about it, that's when she comes in with the self-defense because they stole my guns, yeah, stole my guns and attacked me when I said something about it.

She says, quote, it's up to the medical examiner's office to determine the cause and manner of death.

The most important thing at the time is that we have a suspect.

That's what they announced to the public here.

Now,

the sergeant here, a sheriff sergeant, Nathan Sickler, had his video camera walking up the driveway to document the search here.

And the camera, they say,

quote, captured a cornucopia of code violations ranging from open raw sewage and improperly stored tires to buildings eventually

condemned and deemed unfit for humans.

Yeah.

It was the first time the far the farm's conditions reached the county's radar screens,

but that was because there was she had no trespassing signs up everywhere.

Yeah, and she probably didn't apply for any fucking permits for any of this.

And that's the thing.

And they said that we, they said, well, how come this was never looked into?

And the person from the county said, we do code enforcement actions when we have a complaint.

We never had a complaint.

Right.

A complaint or an application to do things.

Yeah, if none of that exists, then nobody cares.

So they said that they became sickened during the search of the farm and they had to wear breathing apparatuses while combing through garbage.

You don't want to end up like Gene Hackman's wife there.

That's not good.

They said, we don't know.

Yeah, they said, we don't know if it was something we were exposed to or what, but everybody got sick afterwards.

The whole team got, they said, we don't know if it's the flu or disease.

Whatever this was.

Or, yeah.

Jesus Christ.

So, yeah, they said they got to bring in special hazardous materials inventory before they can do anything, even think about any cleanup crew.

They said there's a pre-existing unsafe condition there.

Precursor knowledge of some risk would require some sort of hazardous site evaluation.

Someone needs to evaluate the conditions of the site with the appropriate gear to be there, and that's certainly not me.

This one guy says, not me, motherfucker.

Nope, you need to get people in those nuclear fallout suits and get their asses in there because I ain't doing it.

Those body suits are very useful here.

Oh, yeah.

Now, the neighbors,

what did the neighbors think about her?

Because we haven't really talked about them.

Some of the neighbors said that they're not surprised that

Susan Monica is in police custody.

One neighbor said that Susan admitted to this neighbor to having homicidal tendencies.

Yeah, one guy right close by says, I walk my dog on this road every day, so it's become home for us.

But a little nervous, it's right here in our backyard, so it's definitely an eye-opener.

Yeah, they said they're not used to seeing this in a small town.

He says, don't see a lot of crime, don't necessarily hear about a lot of crime, and that's part of the reason we live out here is just because of that.

Another neighbor said it's horrific, it's unbelievable, but surreal.

It's the Twilight Zone.

That seems to be the, this would be a Twilight Zone episode.

Like, the consensus is, yeah, man, this is fucking, there's something on the wing.

You get you go to a farm and you never leave, and it's like a weird, you know, like that could be a Twilight Zone episode.

Sure, yeah.

Maybe it was.

I haven't seen a book or I wrote anything like that.

That guy, yeah.

Something, yeah.

So another neighbor said they were stunned to hear what's happening right across the gravel driveway of her Rogue River home in

Weimer.

She says it's unbelievable that it's going on in my little neck of the woods.

Yeah, it can't happen here.

That's the whole point of this.

That's the point of the show.

Didn't you know about small-town murder?

I always thought she was a bit of an odd duck, but a lot of people that live out in the country are odd ducks.

Yeah, these are people who moved out.

Either they were born and raised here or they moved out here because they don't like people.

That's why they came here.

Or because

they're not good at people.

They're not good at people.

Yeah.

This is kind of, this is like if you had like a, like pieces from like 50 puzzles that were like extra that you couldn't figure out.

And then you said, we'll take all these pieces and try to make a puzzle out of that.

Even though they're from all different puzzles.

That's what's going on here.

These are all kind of discarded puzzle pieces that come out of here.

We need to be out of here.

No.

So they said that the neighbor said that Susan had people, mostly transients, in and out of her home.

She said, this neighbor said she was really hard on them, I guess.

They would scream and yell and have fighting matches and all of that.

The neighbor says most people would usually only stay there, it was like two months, and then they were gone.

Now we're wondering what it means by they were gone.

Then another neighbor said, I didn't look, I didn't like the look in her eye, and it threw up all kinds of cautious signs for me.

Okay, yeah.

So,

wow, they said it's going to be a whole lot safer for a lot of people out there, is what one neighbor said.

A former tenant who lived in this area or lived on the farm here, Pataphon Panna is the name.

Pataphon Panna

told.

That's very close to Ana Montana.

Wow.

That is Pataphon.

P-A-T-I-P-H-O-N.

Pataphon.

Wow.

Wow.

Don't know.

A worker told the newspaper in the area that Susan not only fed dead sheep to her pigs, but also shot three of his pets and fed them to the the pigs as well.

Oh my god.

She just uses the pigs as a garbage disposal, apparently.

This is, yeah.

He told the newspaper that before he bought a house and moved away, Susan Monica shot two of his dogs and one of his cats and used them for feed.

When she killed my dog, I asked where it was and she said, quote, in with the pigs.

Holy shit.

The local resident.

Say that you don't believe them, right?

You just go, no, you think, especially if they go, ho, ho, ho, ho, afterwards, like Andre the Giant.

So they said local resident Bonnie Wheeler said that she occasionally did odd jobs for Susan last year and that Susan threatened her when they had a falling out.

She said,

quote, she used to talk to me, to me and my friend, or to my friend about killing me and feeding me where, Jimmy?

To the pigs.

To the pigs.

Yeah, to the pigs.

A former worker here who did jobs on the property

said, this is Mark Allen Riccardi.

He said he knew something was wrong when he stepped into Susan Monica's property.

He said, I never felt right.

There was something wrong.

He said he worked for her on multiple occasions doing side jobs.

He said, at the time, something was wrong and bad, and I could feel it strongly.

He said, it's been a couple of years since he's been on the property.

He said that he left when she started yelling at him.

He wasn't going to take that shit.

You can yell at me if you're paying me money, but not to sleep in a barn.

Do we know when the first time she fed somebody to a pig or anything to a pig?

Seems like 2012 is the closest because that's when the Stephen DeLasino was being fed to the pigs.

She loves 2012.

She loves British shit.

I wonder if she learned this from Snatch 12 years too late.

But not only that, that lines up with 2012 lines up with when she stopped bathing and everything, too.

Okay.

And hair started popping out of her head.

So if you shoot people and feed them to pigs and bury them on your property,

yeah, you start stressing, you start getting anxiety, and then it fucks fucks your hole.

Everything kind of spirals out from there, I think.

How do you make a chest cavity disappear?

I don't know how the fuck you do that.

You make a skull disappear.

It doesn't work.

Clothes, everything else.

So this guy says he could feel

something was wrong and bad.

He said, I'm glad I picked up my tools and left because I just find out now what's happened out there.

That scares me, you know.

He said that Susan also didn't pay him for the work he did.

And this is something that he said he's heard from a lot of other people.

A woman whose family member worked for Susan before said a lot of times people say they didn't get paid.

He said, the Riccardi guy said, even though he never got his money, he's glad he left.

He said, I walked out of there and said, I'll never come back to this place again.

And he hasn't.

So a little more shit about Susan here.

Staff at the Rogue River Community Center food pantry had some things to say about Susan, who frequently came in there.

Yeah, they all, even the ones that weren't scared of her, Susan, said there was something off about her, her personality.

They said that she would visit about once a month for the last eight years or so.

The director of the center said she was a very pleasant, generous person.

It's the usual story.

Oh, that person's really nice and it's just shocking, she said.

That's the director.

But other people there, who knows that the director worked with her all the time or whatever.

The director's upstairs in a chair.

Yeah, one other person said she was very standoffish, so I wasn't surprised.

No, I wasn't surprised she murdered people.

Makes sense.

Yeah, she said that her family had done work on the property.

She said Susan told her that Susan had cancer.

Oh.

She said over the past few years, she lost her hair, and she wasn't the same Susan that she started off being.

Most of the pantry workers agreed with that, saying something was off.

One person said she was kind of normal, but she was also somewhat scary.

I felt uncomfortable, and I can't tell you why when she would come in.

So they also said that she lived like very close to their animals and always talked about her pigs.

Now, the DA's office and the medical examiner here positively identify Robert Haney as the belonging to the leg and the parts in the bags.

Yeah.

So that is, I mean, they knew that, but now it's confirmed.

So they said that she was probably murdered.

He was probably murdered in early September 2013.

They identified him through the FBI National Fingerprint Database.

So that's helpful.

I can't believe that they still had fingerprints.

How would they still have fingerprints?

How would he still have fingerprints that long after?

Yeah, how would they?

Hmm.

The actual body itself?

Yeah, I don't know how they would do that.

I mean, he was out there for over four months.

Yeah, that's not, there's nothing, there's no tissue left.

That would be the first tissue to go, I would think, would be like that kind of software.

Unless it's mummified, because I don't know, they've shown

mummies that have fingerprints still.

I have a thousand-year-old fucking corpses on the side of fucking Everest.

I don't think they were eaten by pigs first, though, probably.

Great point.

I don't know how many pigs are up there sucking on fingers.

Munching on fingertips there.

So, anyway, they said that they did an autopsy, but no information was released right away.

Anyway, so Stephen Dellasino.

The authorities said that the Oregon State Police Crime Lab identified the remains of Stephen Dellasino, also he was 59 years old by the way it was delloceno she hires these guys in their 50s to do like hard labor which is weird yeah and then

like the michael bales guy was a real little guy looked like he was maybe five foot two

and but he looked like he was like you know 28 30 something like that like guy you'd hire to move stuff around

yeah anybody in their 50s i'm like one day at work on this ranch you're gonna have back problems aren't you and not just not just that but like they're they're they're 50 50-something-year-old men with health issues, like alcoholism and stuff.

Yeah, yeah, they're not healthy people.

That's not a strong guy.

They're mostly transients who don't think they've been taking that great a care of themselves.

So, or vagrants, is the one guy put it.

Right.

So, the medical examiner said that they found some of the remains in a plastic bag.

Yeah.

And they testify later.

A forensic anthropologist says that Haney's legs had been chopped off with an axe.

An axe.

Not even like a power saw.

She took an axe and Kathy bates to this fucking person.

That is insane.

Remember when we all saw misery and went, oh my god, chopping his legs up with an axe?

That's the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen?

Oh, I'm sorry.

That's the book, the movie.

She bashes him with a sledgehammer.

The typewriter.

And the sledgehammer.

Right, right, right.

In the book, she chops his feet off at the ankles.

I got them mixed up.

But with an axe, that can't be a one-blow thing, right?

Fuck no.

No.

Fuck no.

You gotta squail at that thing.

I chop firewood.

It takes more than that to get through a small piece of wood, for fuck's sake.

Never mind a femur.

You know what I'm saying?

Split wood is not easy, and that's dried out, ready to begin.

Yeah, this is dry.

This is fucked up.

So they said that the thigh bones showed signs of being gnawed by an animal as well.

Oh, boy.

So they said that they could not determine whether the axe blows came before or after he died.

Let's hope after.

She said that Delasino suffered three or four gunshot wounds to the head there.

So, are there 17 bodies?

That's another thing.

They go out looking for them.

They're digging up little, they have like holes all over the place.

It looks like an army of groundhogs invaded this fucking place.

They said that they found no additional bodies during a search of the farm.

So she just made that shit up to freak them out or something?

They dug more than 50 holes looking for people and didn't find anybody.

They said also the pigs that she kept on the farm have been euthanized.

Yeah.

So she did all this, and the pigs were put down anyway.

Yeah, they're like sharks now.

Forget about it.

A former resident of the property said he saw another person said he saw Monica feed dead house pets and livestock to the pigs as well.

They've got some taste of all kinds of animals.

They got the taste for mammal blood.

Oh, boy.

So they are going to charge her with two counts of murder, two counts of abuse of a corpse in the first degree, and one count of identity theft,

which makes sense.

She pleads not guilty.

And this is before the pigs have been destroyed, by the way.

She's pleaded not guilty and asked for donations

so her pigs can be slaughtered and given to a community food bank.

We don't want your people pigs.

We don't want our bacon to be.

Yeah.

With a slight taste of vagrant.

Yeah, i don't want that

grass

what'd you make this morning steven

no oh boy so uh the judge ordered that she be held without bail and she said i'd like the people of rogue river to donate a small amount of money so i can have my pigs butchered and the meat given to the community center

wow um

so

anyway they i don't even know what to say about that they did say the center cannot accept any meat donation unless it's processed and certified under the U.S.

Department of Agriculture guidelines.

That's the way that works there.

Got to have that.

So they said that the, she said they questioned whether the center would accept donations of pigs even if the meat were properly processed because they know it's been fucking human.

It's been eating humans.

Yeah.

No.

So pre-trial here, the trial counsel moves to suppress the evidence obtained as a result of executing the first search warrant.

The first search warrant has some kind of typo or some shit on it.

There's something wrong because in the beginning of her interrogation, they start reading the search warrant.

She goes, well, that's wrong right there.

So never mind.

You guys have nothing.

That's wrong.

It's wrong.

I don't know what it's an address or something.

But the argument focused on whether the use of a benefit card during that period was considered

was considered sufficient enough to establish probable cause for a search warrant.

So she's going beyond that to the probable cause.

They said that the counsel did not argue that the search warrant was overly broad in allowing law enforcement to search the property

beyond the dwellings.

The trial court denied the motion to suppress.

So

at that point, this is fucking crazy.

A Rogue River man who's accused of burglarizing the home of Susan Monica.

Oh, for fucking money.

They went in that disgust.

What did they steal?

What were you going to say?

Rotten food?

There's raw sewage exposed

on the property.

Jesus Christ, Jared Garwood was convicted of attempted kidnapping and assault in March of that year, but was arrested again shortly after his release.

He served six months for attempted kidnapping and assault.

That seems light.

But now he's going back to prison for burglary and mail theft.

He was arrested last October.

This is

after, this is the year that she's in jail, basically, for burglarizing her home.

According to the sheriff's deputies, they found several stolen items at his home.

Attorneys said they also picked up a bag of mail that wasn't his.

During his sentencing, he asked the judge for another chance.

Judge says, you got six months for kidnapping, you stupid idiot.

One more chance.

He said, I really want to get this together, Your Honor.

I really do need, I really do, and I need this opportunity to please prove to you that I could do this.

The judge says, quote, you tested positive.

You pick up new charges.

You're associating with people you shouldn't be associating with.

So we are going to proceed with sentencing today: two and a half years of prison.

Fuck off.

We told you don't do drugs.

You're still doing drugs and you're stealing mail.

Basically, we had conditions of your release and you violated all of them.

And now you want another change.

Yeah.

Go fuck yourself.

Yeah.

So

during this, Susan is attempting to fire

her defense attorneys.

She claimed in court that her attorneys are not properly investigating her defense and they seem more interested in her mental health.

Oh.

Yeah, because they have to deal with you on a daily basis.

So if you can't assist them in helping, they want to know if you're crazy and maybe they can use that as something.

That helps.

So,

interesting.

The judge declined to let her fire the attorneys and let her represent herself.

That would have been a fucking party.

You think this Lori Vallo trial is crazy.

By the way, we'll talk about that on Patreon, but holy shit, this lady representing herself would have been fucking bonkers, man.

They would have had to like sell tickets for that.

Nope, they couldn't even, like, there would have been thousands of people at court every day to see that spectacle of her arguing with people about what pigs eat and don't eat.

That would have been crazy.

What the pigs' names are?

Do you remember, Fido?

Yeah.

He says the judge says he'll give her the chance to represent herself down the line, but not at this stage of the case.

Maybe when we talk about the sentencing.

How about that?

Yeah.

So 2015, the trial comes around.

She is allowed to represent herself.

What?

But is also allowed to use counsel when she feels it's necessary.

So every day.

Yeah, so all the time.

Now, every state is different with what you're allowed to do.

Like some states, you can represent yourself and you can have a counsel and you can pick which one of you interrogate talks to whichever witness.

Sure.

And, you know, know, that sort of thing.

Like Arizona, Arizona is different.

Yeah, they let you just do the whole goddamn thing.

Lori Vallo, I remember the pretrial, the judge told her, Look, you can do this, but if at any point you hand it off to your advisory counsel, that's it.

You're not allowed to come back on as counsel.

You're done.

We're not going to go back and forth when you feel comfortable.

You're either your counsel or you're not.

Yeah, you're not on the bench until otherwise needed.

You're not a

specialty.

So Lori's been doing it all.

Nobody else can do it, which is insanely detrimental to herself in her case.

So

it's really amazing.

So in the opening statements, the prosecution points out that Susan had an evolving story.

She's brutally murdered people.

He said, quote, she shoots them in the head.

That's what she does.

It's real simple.

She can say whatever she wants, but in the end, that's how she kills these people.

It's how both guys were shot.

Multiple gunshot wounds to the head.

So they said, he talks about the details.

They describe how the pigs ate them and

the guts are spilling out and they're eating his internal organs.

One guy said, one of the lines is, they're licking the blood on his head.

They're licking the blood of his head.

Not on his head.

The blood of his head.

Sounds like an overly dramatic Italian guy.

He's licking the blood of his head.

Of his head.

Body of Christ.

The blood of Stephen.

Susan claims, yeah, she shot him to put him out of his misery.

That's what the defense says.

And then self-defense is the other one.

So one's a mercy killing, the other's self-defense.

That's it.

She said that, quote, they were doing their thing, meaning the pigs.

Her attorney gives the opening.

That's smart.

And her attorney doesn't deny that she shot these guys.

Really?

Attorney said she shot them, and there's no denying that.

But

she said, now we can make no mistake about it.

She shot both these individuals.

That's a fact.

But the shooting in themselves is not a murder.

It's only murder if she caused their death and did it intentionally.

Well, then why shoot them?

Not in self-defense.

They're not.

Yeah.

There is no law in the books, by the way, for putting someone out of their misery, quote unquote.

There is none of that.

Is there not a euthanasia law?

I think there is no.

There is no law that says, yeah, if someone's dying, you can just put them out of their misery like

they're a deer that got hit by a car.

Yeah.

There's no law that says that.

So that is.

That's the worst that came up lank.

No, that is not an adequate defense for murder.

I was helping.

It doesn't work.

They also stated that the majority,

the first victim, self-defense.

Second victim is a mercy killing.

He also said the majority of this case is on her own statements.

They said there's nobody else to say she told them otherwise or sought.

Her statements have many

contradictions and some admitted lies.

Even on her behalf, she'll admit those.

So they're like, you know,

you can't depend.

My client's completely undependable.

How could you take her confession seriously?

She can't bathe herself.

So you can't get some of the words.

Now, one of the prosecution witnesses is an inmate that was with her in jail named Jordan Farris.

And this Jordan Farris lady testifies that Susan admitted to shooting Delasino during an argument, then leaving his body in the pig pen.

Okay.

Yeah.

And also, Monica signed her birthday card, Jordan Farris's birthday card, quote, the sweetest murderer in Jackson County.

Oh, boy.

That's good God.

The inmate, who's a 23-year-old woman, said, quote, I got chills from that birthday card.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She admitted during the direct examination, this inmate, that she was in custody for a while on a probation violation and that she had other felony convictions and that her most recent methamphetamine delivery conviction was 2015.

Susan's trial counsel indicated he didn't have any questions for the witness, didn't cross-examine this witness.

Really?

Yeah, which is interesting because the jury does not learn that Farris also had convictions for burglary, theft, and delivery of possession of methamphetamine.

They don't find that out.

Yeah, they don't find out that she's just like a bad person.

All over bad.

23.

Yeah.

So, I mean, a meth habit will lead to theft and burglary, and that'll, it all goes hand in hand.

It's

part of the addiction, yeah.

Part of the game.

So then they play videos here.

They play multiple recordings of the interviews for the jury.

During these interviews, Monica's version of the events vary greatly.

As we talked about, from complete denials to admitting to killing the men to then having a justification about it and all that.

Throughout the interview, she called herself a liar

and stated that she didn't believe her own stories.

No.

While this is happening, she says, they're showing the videos.

She says, I can't bear to watch, she says in the courtroom.

So, yeah, she's just making a scene.

In the video, they show her saying, he was laying there, and I was standing here, and I went like that and pulled the trigger, and that's when she couldn't take it anymore.

They bring in old Michael Bales, Mr.

Hiji Beeji over here.

Here we go.

Michael Heejee Beeji Dickhead Bales, as he likes to call himself.

He said, Susan had always been nice, and I noticed noticed a change in her.

He said that she started acting differently when she disappeared, real irritable and all that kind of shit.

And then they talked to the other guy who said that she would yell at Robert, not really a yell, more of a scold.

Another neighbor said that

about the holler, hearing yelling and screaming in the middle of the night and shit like that coming from there.

One of the detectives that interviewed her testified regarding her changing stories.

He testified that he was mad at certain points with Susan because he kept hearing the same story over and over again.

And using Susan's own words, the stories weren't very probable.

Like, he would repeat it back, what you just said, and go, How can I believe that?

And then she'd change it a little bit to make it more acceptable.

How about this?

Yeah.

What about that?

Anything there?

No?

Okay.

Dry hole?

All right, moving on.

So the detective also said that he did not believe Susan because she had lied to him repeatedly.

That testimony was elicited during redirect examination there.

This was after Susan's trial counsel asked him if he believed Susan

when she was being interviewed, because he did not investigate any of the other potential suspects or leads that she provided in her interviews.

The sheriff said that Susan pawned two shotguns immediately

after he came to her property.

No word on whether they're the same guns that killed these two guys.

So another detective said that Susan told him she wanted to feed him to her pigs as well.

The detective,

I want to feed you to the pigs too.

He said they said, well, how'd you feel about that?

And he said, it freaked me out.

And I'm an armed policeman.

Imagine if I lived on her property and depended on her for food.

So here's the fun part.

And this is something that most judges will not allow.

Okay.

Like if Lori Vallo testifies, her her counsel has to ask her questions.

Okay.

That she can't go up and give a narrative or she can't like, you know, say, so Lori, what'd you think about this?

Then run up on the stand and go, well, I'll tell you, I thought this and that.

Not allowed to do that.

Okay.

This judge allows Susan to cross-examine

a detective herself, even though she has not been doing this, by the way.

So she's going to get up and cross-examine.

She said it was her Sixth Amendment right to be an active participant in the trial, and the judge hadn't specifically

banned that or excluded that, so they kind of have to.

She grills Jackson County Sheriff's Detective Eric Henderson.

This is the guy, by the way, who she threatened to kill and feed to her pigs.

She said during cross-examination, what did you do with my pigs?

And the judge repeatedly stopped her, saying

she wasn't asking appropriate questions or following the rules of court.

He even reprimanded her for disparaging Detective Henderson's character.

But it wasn't just the questions that everyone was into.

They said that

at one point they said, I want Robert Haney's family to step out of the court for a few minutes.

I guess one day after

this all happened here, she asked the judge to have Haney's family removed from the courtroom.

And she said, I do not want to hear, I do not want them to hear what he just said, what he's going to say about the judge and the detective about that.

It's going to get gross.

So another detective here,

I'm sorry, the deputy medical examiner,

he said, I found his remains in a storage area talking about Haney, went over the horrific details of finding bones near one of the pig pens.

And this is when she got all emotional when they started talking about her pigs.

Yeah.

Like lost her shit in court.

Not about Haney, not about her people.

No, no, no, no.

They said there seemed to be a lack of her taking responsibility is what the one detective said um i guess they

the uh dellasino they had to match his bones with his brother's bones oh boy dna or whatever so another detective testified to his experience interviewing many people over a period of time and his belief that susan was never telling him the truth so they tried to strike his testimony and uh they did they actually struck his testimony.

Now, in closings here, the jury was presented with a lot of evidence that the remains of two bodies were found on her property.

She admitted to killing them with various justifications, and that she had either allowed the men to be eaten by her pigs or purposely put the men's bodies in the pig pen for the purpose of allowing the pigs to eat them.

One of the two.

The jury heard from witnesses about how the explanation was not possible, let alone probable.

Yeah, first of all,

you know, shooting in the head five times while they're still alive, and then he's still alive while his guts are out.

None of this makes any sense.

You shot people and fed them to pigs.

That's what they're saying.

The defense closing is this.

This is a defense lawyer.

Quote, just because Susan Monica is different and strange and weird doesn't make her a murderer.

We can't deny that she's an oddball, obviously.

Yeah.

Look at her, the pictures of her property.

She's fucking weird.

But that's not.

Come on.

That's not what we're accusing her of.

We're not accusing her of being weird.

Exactly.

We are accusing her of murder.

She is weird.

She can be weird and a murderer.

Yeah.

She doesn't have to be a murderer because she's weird.

Yeah.

So the verdict here, the judge addresses the jury before deliberations, and the newspaper reported that Monica stood up, raised her hand, and began

asking for the chance to give jurors one more demonstration on how she claims she shot Delasino.

Absolutely not okay.

That's an remember when they let OJ make a statement?

Remember when they made OJ let OJ make a statement before the jury went to they let him make a statement.

Really?

Yeah, which the prosecution was like, he can testify if he wants to make a statement.

He can make all statements he wants.

You shouldn't be able to do that.

They let him make a short statement.

And this is kind of what's going on here.

She's asking for that.

She said, I'd like to demonstrate how I shot him for 10 seconds.

The judge ignored her.

Then she put her hands in the air and said, I held the gun like this and just started doing it.

Oh, boy.

So the judge ordered her out of the courtroom and the sheriff's deputies took her away.

She just started doing it.

I said this.

I said this with the gun and then I had him like this.

Okay, that's enough of you, Susan.

So one hour of deliberation.

And guilty of fucking everything, obviously.

I mean, this is two murders.

They're on her property.

She asked for sentencing as soon as the jury was dismissed, saying, quote, it doesn't seem to matter.

So get it over with.

The judge said, quote, you shot two people and fed them to your pigs.

I don't know how else I can put it.

You valued your pigs more than you valued people.

It may sound harsh, but you're a cold-blooded killer.

Well, does that sound harsh?

It's not really harsh when a jury just convicted you of two murders.

It's pretty...

That's how nice that judge is.

Listen, I don't want to be judgmental here.

I don't want to be too judgy.

As I'm a judge.

Yeah, I don't want to be too judgy here, but you're a cold-blooded killer.

You, ma'am, may fuck off two sentences with parole,

but they're consecutive.

So that's

two sentences?

Two life sentences, two minimum of 25 years before parole sentences.

So minimum of 50 years before parole.

She's already in her 60s.

So do the math.

That's not good.

So, yeah, that's interesting.

Now, the defense attorney said that he knew representing Susan would be complex, especially since the judge allowed her to cross-examine a detective.

I knew this was going to be hard.

Yeah,

I was never going to win this.

I don't know what I was thinking.

This is like

defending Sarah Boone, basically.

I'm going to look bad no matter what happens.

But the lawyer said, in her eyes, I think she learned she was not going to be as effective as her attorneys would be.

Much like Ted Brundy learned and everybody else learns.

And Lori Vallo's going to learn pretty soon.

She's going to get it soon.

So they said that

they were not surprised, the lawyer said, when the jurors took merely an hour to find her guilty.

She said she made multiple inconsistent statements before we were involved in the case.

And so she had told three or four or five different stories.

And it's difficult to convince a jury when your stories change.

That, okay, now I'm telling the truth.

Now this time.

They said she definitely deserved a fair trial and, you know, there, and thought that he tried to represent her with the most vigor possible.

He said, in the end, it was about representing a murder suspect.

The lawyer says, I knew what I was getting myself into.

I wanted to try a murder trial.

I never have before.

This seems like a good one to try because I know I'm going to lose, so it doesn't matter.

And the rest of it is not any different than any other case.

This is what happens.

If basically, if you get a lawyer who's volunteering to do this,

even though you're absolutely going to lose,

they're just doing that to try to get some notoriety out of the fucking thing.

You don't want that lawyer at all.

You don't want that lawyer.

Yeah.

First thing.

First thing is, so how many murder trials have you

tried?

None?

Okay.

You're not my lawyer then.

And a lot of judges won't even let you have that lawyer because then you can go back back and say, ineffective assistance of counsel, you had some guy that never tried a murder trial before.

So I mean, yeah.

So most of the time, they're like a, you know, co-counsel on them for a while before they get their own.

And you have to work your way into murder trials.

This guy was like, I've been doing jaywalking, but I thought murder would be fun.

Yeah.

I watch Law and Order a lot and I thought, Jesus Christ, if that goddamn

Sam Water, whatever the fuck his name is, can do it, then why can't I do it?

I think I can pull it off.

So,

yeah, they said that now the farm here has been was frozen in time

until because they went over this with a fine-tooth comb here looking for more bodies and parts and pieces.

They said the piles of garbage, exposed animal bones and squalid living areas that contain no running water or workable sewage facilities, Jesus Christ, became an afterthought when the murder was going on, when the murder trial was going on.

So they said now after the conviction and the sentences here, they said now they have a potentially very expensive cleanup of the property here.

Well, you just

dig trenches and light it on fire and let it burn in the middle.

Well,

they have the Oregon Department of Environmental Quality and Jackson County are the ones who filed a complaint.

Basically, they said that depending on who instigates it and what they find,

it's going to be a pain in the ass either way, but they said it could be different.

They said, we're in the early stages of this.

We have a whole stockpile of chickens and eggs here, not knowing what's going to go first.

Right now, we're at ground zero, possibly trying to do this,

possibly trying to do something about this place.

So, oh, by the way, she will be held liable for the cleanup of the property financially

by the county, even from prison.

Just donate the fucking property, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Gonna have to.

So

she could, they said she could instigate cleanup procedures on her own, deed the property to someone else who would take on the liability, or watch government-hired crews handle the cleanup and wait for whatever the fuck they charge.

You.

But the guy says that she's going to have to fund it.

It's her property.

Sure is, yeah.

So, yeah, the cleanup there.

It's going to be, you know, they said no matter what, the sheriff's department has to be involved, basically.

So you'll have environmental people going through with sheriffs looking over their shoulder, making sure they don't find any pieces of people anywhere.

Holy shit.

So for 20 acres?

Holy shit.

I have 12, and I wouldn't want to go over it with a fine-tooth comb.

It'd be fucking horrifying.

So, 20 is a lot more.

They said at some point, someone would have to make a call, go in and do something, and worry about the potential funding impacts at a later time.

They said she could sell the property as is, but Oregon law requires full disclosure of environmental problems associated with the site, including the nature of the crimes that happened on the premises.

So they'd have to say, there's disgusting shit everywhere.

We found a guy's body over there.

This is where the pigs ate people.

And the bodies were out here because somebody murdered them.

Hurt the person in the house.

So the records show she bought the property for $35,000 in 1991.

Great deal.

And the market value in 2014 was $272,240.

That's not great, but

almost a

8%

times her investment she made.

800% profits.

Pretty fucking good on a property.

It's not worth shit in comparison.

No.

No.

They said there's two outstanding liens totaling about $2,100 from a road construction company, but that's it.

Otherwise, it's her fucking house.

They said that her,

it's very interesting.

Her attorney said her plans to hold on to the property at least until her appeal is over.

She still thinks if I go to appeal and get off, I need some place to go.

I got to go somewhere.

Yeah.

The lawyer said she doesn't want to let it go.

She is held at the Coffee Creek Correctional Facility near Wilsonville.

That is where she lives currently here.

Here is from an interview that we were talking about earlier.

Remember, I was saying she did that interview from prison here.

This is about Robert.

She said, one of the guys that did a little bit of work for me, but

I think he's staying on my property was Robert Haney.

He was a nice enough guy.

He drank too, but he was a binge drinker.

I think he mostly was was a binge drinker because his daughter got raped and he was really upset about that.

She's still stuck on that.

Stuck on that.

A couple times a month, he'd get fall-down drunk.

One day, he gave me $20 and said that he was going to work.

I was thinking that he was going to work in Ashland.

I don't know exactly where he went.

I was thinking he was working in Ashland.

He had asked me one time to look at the job he was working on because he wanted my engineering skills to design something to hold up a floor in this house.

And that he was not, that he was, it wasn't a house, but a business, whatever.

She said, I never did that, but anyway, that's where I thought he might have been working.

So I took care of his dog for a couple weeks, and then all of a sudden it turned into a couple months, and I didn't know what the heck was going on.

And then his son called me and said he thought his father was dead, and he was immediately missing.

So, well, you know, it's missing.

He's missing as far as I'm concerned, I guess, but you know, that should be your responsibility to do that.

About a a week and a half later, I went down to take care of my pigs in the morning, and because pigs are a lot smarter than dogs,

if you go outside, you have a dog, and they saw, they see it comes up right to you to get its food.

My pigs, they know in the back of the barn where they get fed.

So when they see me coming down to the barn, they'd immediately go around to the back of the barn, and they'd sit there and wait for me to get to them.

They don't go to you, they go to the food.

They go to the food, which that's what my dog does too, comes to me and then runs and sits by the bowl.

Hey, dude, how's it going?

Hey, look, I need this.

That's what they do.

Hey, hey, over here.

See you.

The ball's over there.

Hey, look, come here.

Come here.

Follow me.

I got something.

Here, come here.

So, let's go this way.

So, in the morning, they were all standing around and in the middle of the pig pen, and I didn't understand what they were doing and didn't understand why they didn't go back to where I was going to feed them.

So, I walked into the pig pen, and there I saw Robert laying on his back.

His guts were out, and his intestines were out on the ground, and I heard this little moan.

And so she basically says the same thing.

She said, then his son called me and said his father was dead.

So I'm goodness, another stupid thing for myself.

I went ahead and said I didn't know anything because I didn't want his family to know he died.

Whoa.

Then she said a coyote had dragged off one of his legs.

She said, I honestly don't know what I was going to do with his body.

Steve was a good friend and everything for years when she talks about Steve here.

And I wanted him very,

I wanted wanted him to be buried on my property where he spent a lot of time helping me, you know, because it was nice.

Robert, he was a pretty good worker.

He didn't like to work, but when he did work, he was a good worker.

He was, yeah, she said, I don't want to, he was very honest.

He wasn't untruthful.

I was charging him some rent, and he came up and he'd have the rent money, and I tried to get him to do some work for his rent, and he'd say he was kind of lazy and something in that respect.

So when he went ahead and gave me some stuff in exchange for rent, which I really didn't want,

but I could use later, you know,

he would find some money and then get his stuff back.

So he would like pawn shit to her, basically.

Stephen and Robert were two different people.

Steve, I couldn't give him anything to do unless it was very menial.

Because, you know, he was a moron, she said.

That's what her claim was.

So one day he was looking for work up the street, and a friend of mine was chopping wood to sell for firewood.

He nearly cut his hand off a week later, so he got fired from that job.

And when he was working for me, i gave him a little uh saw to cut things with i had him go out on my property and lower the limbs off of trees so

now peta the people for the ethical treatment of animals there they said in a press release that they're negotiating with the medford area outdoor advertisers to put up a billboard geared to quote remind people that the meat on their plate was once a living feeling animal and encourage everyone to extend compassion to all living beings they're going to show they're using this case to show like look you keep pigs and look what happens to them.

And if you eat a pig, it might have eaten a person.

You never know.

Okay.

There's also a pig lady movie.

Oh, really?

Pig Lady, it's called.

Yeah.

This year, Tennessee director and writer and actor Adam Ray Fair transformed Monica's story into his feature filmmaking debut, the indie horror movie Pig Lady.

Which is currently available, by the way, I think, on shit.

I think it's on Prime.

They said a friend from Tennessee, I guess, what it is, a friend from Tennessee

who shares story credit moved to Oregon.

And every time I go up there, he'd tell me the story.

It's a small town.

You start talking to people, saying you're making a movie about the pig lady, and everybody gets enthused.

Everyone knew her.

Everyone had a story about her.

And someone introduced me to her neighbor.

We had support from all the locals.

All the stars aligned.

I'm shocked that these people would be like, yeah, come in and make us look like some sort of fucking, like, you know, deliverance part two up here.

Go ahead.

Wow.

We feed folks to pigs.

Fuck.

Most of Pig Lady is set and filmed in Jackson County in Weimer and Rogue River.

The known facts of the case serve as the foundation for a slasher story in which the fictionalized Monica, Sandra D.

Tryon, a monstrous figure on whom the camera never keeps focus, prowls the woods, waiting to strike her victims, usually with a machete, and leaves them for the pigs to eat.

So this isn't based on anything anything except pigs eating people.

In the movie, it's as much based on this as snatches.

Yeah,

no shit.

In the movie, they play two brothers, Hunter and Caleb, whose unseen father is a fictional equivalent to the neighbor mentioned by

McPeak.

Caleb only appears in the newscast prologue, after which time the timeline shifts back to three months to show how Hunter, his girlfriend Brittany, and their friends fatefully came to stay at a cabin in Oregon for Christmas.

So it turns into that story of the typical

young people going out to a weekend here.

So, yeah, they said the production of Pig Lady was significantly delayed because they were planning on shooting in March of 2020.

Oh, whoops.

And that didn't work out.

So there you go, everybody.

That is Weimer, Oregon.

What a place.

The crazy fucking Pig Lady.

That's what this is.

It's a crazy fucking story.

Wild, weird, kind of a dirty little strange tale of this farm.

And we've had a lot of like weird body farms lately.

Next week, no one will be buried anywhere on a property, we promise.

There you go.

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They've been good episodes.

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Good.

I know you're trying to be supportive, but it sounded like you were sick of it, too.

I'm tired of this shit.

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You find something different then.

Knock yourself out.

Fucking tired of this shit.

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Jimmy, hit me with the names of the people who would never, ever, ever feed us to their pigs and leave us in garbage bags in their barns.

Hit me with them right fucking now.

This week's producers are Dezra and Dahlia, Gary Howard's kid and wife.

Happy birthday.

Ryan Potts.

Happy birthday, Janelle Potts.

It's wait,

it's Ryan's birthday, Janelle Potts is his biggest fan.

Oh, well, happy birthday, Ryan, and thank you, Janelle.

And Andy Wallace, his wife, Stephanie Wallace, it's her birthday.

Well, thank you very much, Stephanie, and happy birthday to you.

A lot of people banging nine months ago.

Rebecca Babald's husband, Trevor, happy birthday.

God damn it.

Happy birthday.

Carol Braun is a wonderful woman, yet again.

She's been with us since the start, by the way.

Wow.

She still pops in from time to time to say hello.

Oh, we appreciate the shit out of of you.

Thank you.

You're the best, Carol.

Charlie and Queen Creek and her mama, Jen Pat,

it's their birthdays.

Happy birthday, Abbott.

Everybody's birthdays.

Charlie, Arizona.

Amber with no last name.

William Thompson.

Happy birthday, Amber.

Happy birthday, William.

Everybody's got a goddamn birthday.

Other producers this week are Peyton Meadows, Janice Hill, happy hour checking in at Amarillo, Texas.

Liz Rockefeller, she came back through.

Jessica Shayner, Sam Hibbard, Hibbard, maybe.

It's probably Hibbard.

Sam Pennard, Rachel Dean, Jodi Dean, Den, Denae, Dennon, Dena.

How do you say the pasta?

It's like that with a D.

Like Dene?

Penne.

Denae?

Penay.

Penay, Penne, Penne.

What do you say, Penne?

Penny.

You say Penny?

It's Penne, but I mean, it's Penny.

Yeah.

Maybe it's Jody Denny.

We don't know.

Rachel or Rochelle or Rochelle.

Buchanan.

Katie Evan, Daddy Dingus.

That's not a name.

Andrea Raffol.

Tommy Hartman.

Hartman.

Jacqueline Hazelton.

Victoria Hernandez.

John Hyatt.

Mike Disson.

Dyson maybe.

Bo Kitsis.

Kitsis.

Stephen Mueller.

Alicia Cauley.

Garbage Farts.

That's disgusting.

Jenny Cross.

Andrew Shelleck.

Shalek.

Shelek.

Ben Allenson.

Nikki Zumo.

Aubrey McIntyre.

Sarah Prill, Dale Fry, Garrett with no last name, Samantha Pierce, David Brown, Michelle Neese, yeah, Naese, Mike Van Dorn, Elizabeth Rutherford, Rutherford, Devin Tyre, John Young, Monique Reynolds, James Allen.

Did I say that already?

Maybe there's two Allens.

I don't know.

Moving on.

Brianna Jorgensen, Leslie Campa, Compa, Kampa, not going to work here.

What is this?

Company,

what?

Companion?

Yonin.

Compangnon.

Compagnoni.

All right.

It must be Italian because Jimmy can't pronounce Italian name.

That's a lot of letters.

Sarah

Samara, Samara Harris, Bologna with no last name.

Ronald Ross.

Sarah Jane Guidry.

Angie with no last name.

Christine Gilbert.

Kim Bjorky.

Marnie with no last name.

Val's best mate, Valerie, with no last name.

James Prinz, Jackie Conklin, Stacey Gladden, perhaps.

What else is this?

Jelena Jeremy,

Jacob with no last name.

What is the rest of this?

God damn it.

Sorry.

I missed.

What happened?

Jacob, no last name.

Foglia.

Gallo Rojo, Abby Blair, Chris,

Kubiak.

Coach Kubiak.

Good save on Foglia.

What is it?

Foglia?

It's a good save on Foglia.

You were going the wrong way there for a minute.

I sure was.

Straighten right up.

Got to write this ship.

Sarah Eaves, Connor Miller, Nips with no last name.

But, you know, nips are always good.

Alaska Jordan, Kevin Sutherland, Deandra Crosby, N and R, the letters, N and R.

This show brought to you by letters N and R.

Antoine with no last name.

I hope it's that Antoine from the very first

Your Stupid Opinions.

That would be amazing.

Oh, that'd be great.

You can only

Angela Robinson, Sarah Alves, Amanda Beckett, Laura Matlock, Christy Couvert,

Mary Kolkowski, Jay Soule, Robin Largo, Pam McCoy, Katrina with no last name, Donna Hagler, Zach with no last name, Andrew Meng, Perry Morgan, Caitlin

Skagnelli.

Holy

Super K, 1320, Ethan Proctor, Donna Dunnegan, my name is Renee, James, nope, that's Jesse, patched,

Vibolette.

Vibolette.

What?

Vivolette?

What is that?

Starlow Golf.

Al God, or AI God.

I can't tell what that is.

Mary Hokut.

Okay, Linda McMahon.

What is it?

I said, okay, Linda McMahon.

Hocut.

Mary Hokut.

Elisa Alisa.

Elisa?

Taylor.

Johnny Clamps.

Chris Ott, Daryl Buckley.

These are the hardest fucking names on the tenets

Vicki White.

Well, she's dead.

Emma Tulak.

Wasn't that her name?

That prison guard that took off with the inmate?

Yeah.

I think it is.

Emma Tulak.

Welcome to Tulak.

Mike Wilbur, Savannah Mumbauer, Patrick Moore, Christine Stevens Younger.

Jason Ross, Emily.

Oh, Rockamore.

Rockamore.

Rockam.

All they can take.

Kim Deaver.

Samantha Roth.

Walker.

Monica Roth.

There it is.

Slip Slider.

Cece Harned.

Harned.

Heather Bodette.

For fabulous sake, or maybe it's just fabulous's sake.

He needs all of our help.

Amanda.

You know what?

Let's all pray for fabulous.

Daniella Lensley.

Lensley.

Caitlin Ola

Safski.

A Viper.

Morgan John.

A Viper has no last name.

I don't know what a Viper would be.

It could be.

It could be not.

Patrick Hanrahan.

Ryan Cosser David Dave Holmes Maureen Street Krista Lee Olson Elise Leetham Leet Ham maybe uh serial killer probably not Joe with no last name Patrick Smith Rutherbird B Hammock Destiny Scott Rachel with no last name and obviously every other patron you guys are the best thank you

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