#578 - Video Poker Playboy Murder - Lake Charles, Louisiana

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Lake Charles, Louisiana.

Oh, yeah.

I've heard of that.

You heard of it?

Yeah.

And it's a little bit bigger of a place, but where this whole thing happened was on like a dirt road and the edge of like it's it's it was pretty rural.

This is definitely some small town stuff here.

So Lake Charles, it's in southwestern Louisiana, kind of all the way in the corner down there.

It is three hours over to New Orleans.

It's two hours to Houston, so it's closer to Houston than New Orleans in distance.

And it's about three hours, if you go straight north, up to Keithville, Louisiana, which was our last Louisiana episode.

It's been a while.

That was episode 518.

Conspiracy of fools, that one was.

And that was everybody conspiring to kill one man and take all his stuff.

Like everyone he knew in the world was all in one big conspiracy against him.

So that's a funny episode.

Population here is 83,444.

So a little bit bigger.

It was about 70,000 when the murder happened,

but still, you know, in that ballpark.

Median household income here is about 20,000 lower than the national average.

National average is 69,000.

Here it's 49,913.

So it's a very

not great area.

I mean, it's swampy.

It's not a good place to be.

Well, there's a lot of petrochemical places, but there's also a lot of outdoor activities and lake life and shit like that.

So it's a real weird, different mix.

Median home cost here, $179,400.

Very affordable.

Very affordable.

So the nickname here, they have a nickname, well, actually two nicknames.

One is, this is not a great nickname, the lake area.

Yeah.

Oh, well then,

that's very unique to this particular location.

There's no other lakes in the country.

Don't go to Minnesota, fuckers.

You're going to be blown away.

And then there's Louisiana's Playground, which Bourbon Street may disagree with you.

The whole town of New Orleans feels like it probably has more to do.

Wherever people just take their boobs out indiscriminately, that's the playground.

That's Louisiana's playground.

It's not at the lake, my friends.

It is.

Yeah, if your eight-year-old can see nipples,

that's a much better place.

That is a playground.

Little bit of history of this town here.

It's had several different names originally.

First, it was Port du Lafitte, which was port of Jean Lafitte, who was Jean Lafitte was, you'll hear about it.

Yeah, he was a big deal down there.

There's a whole pirate festival with him

that we'll talk about here.

It was first incorporated in 1857 as Charleston after an early settler, Charles Salier, or Salier.

It's probably French.

March 16th, 1867, it was reincorporated as the city of Lake Charles.

So they figured it out in in the 1860s.

Then in 1910, quote, the Great Fire devastated the whole city.

This place is on fire, too.

It's so wet.

As damp as it is down there.

Everything

is covered in dampness.

And dew, it doesn't matter.

They rebuilt it and expanded it, the town as well.

The Charleston Hotel was built in 1929.

And during and after World War II, industrial growth was a big deal here with the arrival of the petrochemical refineries, which is where all the jobs are here for the most part here.

And then Houston has a lot of that too.

This is like the petrochemical belt.

Right.

This is a lot of oil polling.

Yeah.

In 2005, the city was damaged badly by Hurricane Rita.

In 2020, it was battered by two hurricanes, category four, Hurricane Laura and Hurricane Delta, also that year.

I didn't hear about either of them.

Two of those.

Lake Charles, after the hurricanes that happened, two of them that hit it, was described as, quote, as if 20 tornadoes came in and wiped the city.

Just

destroyed shit.

The southern portion of the city was then also damaged in 2021 by

an EF2 tornado as well.

So this place is.

You are dodging weather like crazy in this place.

And how do you call yourself Louisiana's Playground when the actual one got obliterated 20 years ago.

And then still talk about it.

It just keeps happening.

It's not part of yours yet.

Keeps happening.

Well, I guess those are ones that I remember Hurricane Rita.

That was a big one.

Yeah, that was a big one, but I don't remember Laura and Delta, even though they just happened.

But that was 2020.

There was a lot of shit going on in 2020.

It was a busy year.

It was a busy year.

There was a Delta.

We were watching Tiger King and stuff.

It was a lot going on.

We had shit to do.

You can't have a hurricane named after a strain of disease and expect us to hear it.

Not at all.

Reviews of this town.

We'll just do a couple here because we're running late on time.

Here's five stars.

Lake Charles is the sportsman's paradise.

There's great food and great people.

There's something here for everyone.

Every sentence has an exclamation point after it, by the way.

The only thing I would change is I would like for Lake Charles to have something like a Dave and Busters or for a skating rink to be brought back to town.

Just missing a Dave and Busters in this place would be perfect.

Mean a B-dubs, anything.

Anything.

Here's a one-star, and I'm reading this because a 10-year-old wrote it, and I think that's hilarious.

As a 10-year-old living in Lake Charles, I can happily say this city sucks.

This kid's got potential, right?

It sucks.

First, the crime rate here is so horrible.

I don't even know why one would let their family grow up here.

And don't get me started on the entertainment.

All you have to do here is go to a crappy casino and hope you win some money.

And then all caps with a period after each word: I hate this city.

And then I'm going to read the first couple of lines of one just because it's hilarious.

One star, a city of scumbags, low lives, and thieves.

What the fuck?

This city really sucks.

I don't like Lake Charlesians.

They're all scumbags.

1820s pork.

It's so funny.

And then they go on to describe it from there of why they're scumbags, but it's really fucking funny.

They even say the kids in the schools are some of the meanest in the country.

I've been to all.

I've been bullied by the best.

And these kids, I'll tell you what.

Things to do here.

The Louisiana Pirate Festival.

That's right.

They talk about Jean Lafitte and his band of buccaneers who are fleeing enemy ships and heading west to Galveston and all this type of shit.

So now they have a pirate.

What's a nickname?

A pirate-themed festival.

I don't, I don't know.

They just call him Jean Lafitte.

No clue.

So they're just going to

have a festival over this, and it's pirate-themed entertainment begins and ends the festivities and promotes the festival year-round.

They've been doing it for 66 years now.

And you can find out your pirate name very easily here.

The first letter of your last name.

So, that would be for you a W.

So, that would be

prickly.

Oh, so they've got words attached to that.

Okay.

Yeah, so you'd be prickly, and I would be, this is the first letter of your last name.

So, I would be squinty.

Oh, squinty and prickly.

I think those are backwards.

and then your birth month so you'd be february so you'd be the the the cruel prickly

is it prickly cruel or cruel prickly i have no idea oh i guess prickly the cruel oh or i would be squinty the landlubber

okay

that's the most bitch ass nickname i've ever heard the dumbest thing ever they ruined it they ruined it so uh that's how that goes anyway yeah um let's talk about some murder what do you say here?

All right.

Let's talk about a man first.

This is William Davis.

Goes by Brian.

Don't ask.

Why not?

Brian Davis.

He's born July 9th, 1969.

He's born in New Orleans and raised just outside of New Orleans in a small town called Independence, Louisiana.

It's a nice little small town outside New Orleans.

He's got parents named Bill and Catherine.

It looks like he has a brother and a sister from what I could gather here.

He graduated from Independence High School, and he has three kids.

So at some point, there's a divorce because he has child support payments and all this going on, too.

Poor bastard.

Three kids, from what I can gather, Douglas, Danielle, and Darla.

They went with all D's on that one.

He's big into fishing and outdoor shit, as you would be in the Lake Charles area.

Also enjoyed, he's big into shooting.

He likes like target shooting a lot.

So he does like...

Cabela's punch card.

Oh, dude, this guy, yeah, you know it.

This guy has like...

What a bass pro he owns?

Shit.

He has several of those jackets with lots of pockets in them.

A lot of those.

So he does competition shooting, also plays golf and sings karaoke.

What a guy.

Well, we'll also talk about he also loves video poker, as we'll get into.

Really?

Oh, boy, does he love video poker?

Maybe more than anything.

So from 2000, the year 2000 on, he worked as a sales manager for Union National Life Insurance Company.

So he's going to be, for the remainder here, that's where he works.

Now, he's got a wife here that he gets married in 2008, but they're together for years

before that.

And her name is Robin Little, Robin with a Y, by the way.

Robin Little.

And she'll be Robin Little Davis after that.

So Robin Little Davis.

If your last name is Little, you can't hyphenate it.

It just sounds funny.

Whatever it is, you're just making it small now.

Doesn't matter.

You could be Little Godzilla, and it would sound funny.

That sounds awesome.

Little Godzilla.

I want to watch Little Godzilla.

That's the movie I want to watch.

Damn near Rob's, for Christ's sake.

He's like four foot six, and he just fucks shit up, though.

Really?

Don't get in his way.

Destroys your Hot Wheels club.

Absolutely.

Fucks up like Barbie dollhouses and shit.

Just crushes them.

He can still shoot fire, though.

So

anyway, he met Robin Little at work and uh they end up getting married like i said in 2008 this is a third marriage for brian and the second for robin and uh

brian has a history all of his marriages end because he cheats on his wife that's how this works a lot of mistakes

brian makes a couple mistakes here and there from all from what everybody said outside of the infidelity he's a very good guy and a nice guy that everybody likes but boy he can't keep his dick in his pants and he's a i'll show you the guy.

He's like, he's not an attractive,

conventionally attractive man.

He's a heavy-set guy,

bald, got like a Michael Strahan gap in his teeth, shit like that.

Yeah, like he's, you know, you wouldn't look at him and go, oh, baby, fucking, I am sitting in a puddle.

You don't hear that very often.

So he must be a really nice guy, is all I have to say, or funny or something.

He must be.

Yeah.

So with Robin Little comes Carol Nolan Saltzman, who goes by Sissy.

That's the daughter?

Sissy Saltzman.

No, no, no.

That is her best friend who's always with her.

Okay.

She lives with the couple.

She lives with them.

I'm going to show you the house, and there is a shitload of people living in this fucking house.

And I don't know where they're all fitting because it's not a house, it's a trailer, and I don't know where they're all fitting.

We'll put it that way.

Oh, shit.

So, Sissy Saltzman, born in 1967, Robin's best friend, lives with them for pretty much from the year before they get married and onward, onward, just lives with them.

Now, Justin here,

this is Robin's son, Justin, and he's an adult.

He must be an adult because he works with everybody at the insurance place.

Really?

He works there too.

So, yeah.

Now, they have this son, and she also has a daughter named Kelsey, who

seems to be older as well.

And she also seems to live there, kind of too.

So, I don't know what's going on.

Now, apparently, Robin had

gotten separated from her ex-husband at this point in 2000, but stayed legally married to him

according to the son so that she could keep him on her medical insurance.

Keep who on her medical insurance?

The old ex-husband.

Who gives a fuck about his household?

Well, apparently he couldn't work because he had a bad back and it would have been hard for him to get medical insurance.

So she kept him on her medical insurance, which is pretty insane behavior for an ex.

That's crazy.

The thing is, this guy died in 2008.

Oh.

Andrew died.

That's Andrew's, her ex-husband, died in a car accident in 2008.

Okay.

So Kelsey said that they were asked,

she was asked later on, was there any problem with the life insurance money

with that?

And Kelsey replied, the problem, the problem was that she was the beneficiary and she got all the money.

Yeah, she said that the mother told her, Robin told her that her dad only had a $25,000 life insurance.

But then when they were at the father's house cleaning it, she found a $100,000 policy

to her mother.

Yeah, best choice you ever make to clean up his house.

No, shit.

So she said that this whole situation was shady.

This is the daughter because Robin bought a trailblazer, a Chevy Trailblazer truck with cash,

bought our guy here,

bought Davis

a new boat.

Oh.

And with cash, and remodeled the house with new hardwood floors, new kitchen appliances, and hired a professional painter to paint the entire house and a professional landscaper to landscape it.

That's how I grieve, too.

That's the best way to do it.

Well, it is her ex-husband, but still.

That's how I would definitely grieve my ex-wife.

That's what I mean.

Spend it.

But the kids are upset that they didn't get any part of this.

Yeah.

They got nothing.

She used the money and basically spent it on a new house to be with her new boyfriend at the time, or her new husband, because as soon as he died, they got married.

That's why they didn't get married before that is because she was keeping this guy in his health insurance, which is a great.

Will you marry me?

Well, I'd like to, but

you see, I'd sure love to.

Here's why I can't.

It would be a tough, it'd be a tough proposal rejection for a guy.

Can we add my ex to your health insurance?

Is that possible?

Can we do that?

So, Kelsey also described Robin as being unfair to other people.

She said that's just kind of how she was.

Kelsey described Sissy as like her second mom because she's always there.

She said that Sissy lived with them for four years, never paying any rent or even buying groceries.

Wow.

She said that Sissy didn't have any money and did not have and did not have to have any money as long as she hung around with my mom, basically.

My mom just took care of her.

So I don't know what's going on here between these these two, but it doesn't sound like a typical friendship.

It's very bizarre.

This sounds like that

a Ruby-Frankie situation almost.

Like you know what I mean?

He's going to be sleeping on the couch soon.

Well, she's getting hot oil massage

with candles lit in the other room.

So here's the house.

It's at 1314 Wedgwood Drive.

And right now, currently, it is worth $40,300

in this market.

Okay, look, look, there it is.

That's a free.

Oh, wow.

That's 40 grand?

40 grand for a trailer.

Yeah.

It's just a trailer.

It's a long trailer.

It's a long trailer with a shed out back there.

Yeah, if you're an old person,

with a driveway, that's great.

And in this house, we know the couple lives.

We know Sissy lives.

There's another woman named Stephanie that lives here at this time as well.

What the fuck?

And Kelsey seems to come and go and have keys and work and live here too.

So I don't know how many adults live in one house.

There's a lot of grown-ups.

There's too many adults for one house.

Now, the ladies, Sissy and Robin, get into some trouble.

They both worked at the insurance company, and they're both fired after Sissy was caught stealing money.

And Robin, the way they put it, quote, failed to speak up about her knowledge of the crime.

In other words, they stole money together is what that means, probably.

And even getting fired, they weren't at odds with each other or anything.

So everything was fine.

Later on, somebody somebody said, everywhere Robin went, Sissy was there.

Period.

Okay.

Now, March 2009,

Robin learns that her husband here, Brian, of a year, basically, was having an affair at work.

I don't know if this is as soon as she got fired or whatever, but this affair has been going on for like a year and a half.

So

he was planning a wedding while having an affair.

I mean, that's remarkable to me.

Remarkable.

Remarkable.

Why?

Why get married?

You want to have affairs.

Have affairs.

Don't get married.

Don't even be in a relationship, man.

That's what I mean.

What the fuck?

So, anyway, she found out about the affair.

Robin does.

and confronted this Fanny Dietz.

That's the lady's name who's having an affair.

Fanny Dietz.

Having an affair with Fanny.

I don't know a Fanny that's not smoking hot.

We all know that.

Now, Brian has a video poker habit, let's call it.

Um, that became such an issue that he became, and this is not normally, he pays his bills on time and he's very good at shit like that.

He became behind in his child support payments and the mortgage.

There's a mortgage on that trailer,

and he's behind it.

And he's behind on it.

I can't, what the fuck is the payment on a?

I mean, what are we talking about here?

And back then, it was probably 300 bucks a month, maybe.

Yeah.

Oh, God.

I can't.

If it's $600, his

homeowners insurance is outrageous.

He'll have it paid off in no time.

Wow.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

There should be no homeowner's insurance on that shit.

So Robin also likes to gamble.

Really?

Oh, yeah.

The two of them gamble.

If there's one thing.

He's gambling every day.

The only thing worse than one person in a relationship gambling is both people in a relationship gambling.

Like excessively more than you can afford, not for fun.

So Justin, who is Robin's son, knew of the affair as well because he worked with them.

So he knew what was going on.

Apparently, also, according to Justin, Brian would stop to play video poker on the way to work in the mornings.

Dude.

I got to pop by and grab my coffee.

Wow.

Anything you do on the way to work is a couple quick hands of poker.

You are addicted.

If you stop for a drink on the way to work, you have a problem.

That's called a problem.

Anything you have to do before you even get to work is a problem.

As if it costs you money.

Oh, that might an unspecified amount could be anything.

And then sometimes on the way home, he'd stop and play more poker.

Wow.

Wow.

I guess it escalated in 2009 is when his poker really shot up and he got started getting behind on things and everything like that.

And Robin gambles as well here.

And she also goes out to eat at a diner, KD's diner in Lake Charles all the time.

And there is poker machines at the diner.

So she is always at the diner having a bite to eat, playing some poker.

She's a regular.

So

June 29th, 2009.

Okay.

Now, Brian is out with Robin looking at boats because that's what you do when you're behind on your child support and your mortgage.

You go boat shopping, obviously.

See what the trade-in value is.

What are we doing here, dude?

No, he's just shopping for new boats.

Apparently, they looked for boats around the Lake Charles area, and then he apparently went on his own to Beaumont, Texas, which is about an hour and a half away, to boat shop there.

He's crossing state lines to boat shop.

And it's behind on his trailer payments.

Fannie Mac is looking for him.

He is behind on his double-wide payment, and he's doing this, which doesn't sound...

Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae.

Is that what it is?

That's what it is, yeah.

I figured we'd just let it go.

But yeah,

I wasn't going to correct you on it.

Fuck it.

That was one of those.

I was like, close enough, whatever.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was like.

We don't need to get caught up on that.

So

he ended up not coming home that night,

which I guess there was some really bad, violent thunderstorms that happened that night.

So that's what they were attributing it.

Oh, he must have got stuck in the weather up there.

You know what I mean?

It's It's so bad because they have like roads that flood and shit when that happens.

But then he didn't come home at all.

So Robin calls the police the next day

to see about reporting him missing and was told that she must wait 24 hours from the time that she expected him home.

Not from the last time.

No, no, no, from the last time you expected him home.

So that's when he would be missing as you expected him here and he didn't show up.

So that's about, you know, nine o'clock.

We're talking that that night type of thing here.

So the next morning, she calls his job, calls Brian's job and learned that no one there had heard from him.

See, maybe he showed up at work.

Maybe he drove right to work.

So

then she called a friend of his and

say, hey, have you seen him?

Have you heard from him?

And he said, no, I haven't.

So then she called the police that night, which is 24 hours.

And a policeman came to the house, Mark Chapman, an officer here with the Lake Charles Police Department, showed up.

And he went over there at about 4:30 p.m.

and was given a statement by Robin that he was supposed to be heading to Belmont, Texas to go boat shopping in his Honda.

Last time I saw him,

hmm.

That's a fascinating choice.

Yeah, no, not a big pickup truck or anything.

He's not going to tow it home.

He's just shopping.

No, it's staying there.

It's staying there.

Unless they could drop it in the Gulf for him.

It's staying there for a while.

That's one way to keep yourself from buying a boat.

Just drive a Civic.

Drive your record up there and see what happens.

So, July 1st, 2009, okay, because that was the 28th, 29th.

Now we're off to July 1st here.

This is off of Big Lake Road

in this area.

It's the end of Wagon Wheel Lane.

Now, let me show you this road.

Oh, that's a road.

Yeah, it's dirt.

It's dirt.

Not even like a foot, like the middle of it has a lot of like, a lot of green in it.

Yeah, a lot of big chunks of grass.

This is not a populated area.

No, No, that is two ruts in a field.

It's the middle of nowhere.

Yeah, and you can see the lake in the background, too.

It's out there.

Now, they are called by a guy who is riding an ATV.

A guy who had been riding an ATV saw a car out there, and normally there aren't cars out there, and called the police about it.

You know, because it's not a road and all.

Right.

If somebody on an ATV is panicked about a car being weirdly on this quote-unquote road, that is not a road.

It's not a road.

No, this is a four-wheeler path, is what it is.

This is not a road that you would take a Honda Civic on either.

This is not a Honda road at all.

I wouldn't take my car on that fucking road.

No, absolutely not.

So I'd take your truck, but not your car.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And my car is kind of a truck, and I still take it out.

No.

Perandoso 3?

Que paso, Mica.

Esperabuela sala.

Aquí quaslitos gugando.

Me cora sotano.

So, deputies respond to the scene and they find a car.

It's a Honda.

The trunk and doors are open, and the car looked like it had been jacked up to change a tire.

Huh.

Okay, so it looks like it's mid-tire change.

The car was up on the jack.

The lug nuts were removed from a tire while a spare tire, the doughnut, was on the ground nearby.

So this is mid-tire change.

Yeah, it's happening.

So this vehicle that's out here is registered to Robin.

This is Robin's vehicle.

And

they call that in, and they realize that she had reported her husband missing.

So this is all making sense.

A couple other things here.

Brian is also nearby the vehicle.

Really?

Some distance away, though.

And he is clearly dead and has been dead for a couple days in the Louisiana heat.

Oh, no.

Because it's summer in Louisiana.

It's hot, man.

He's been out here a couple days.

His driver's license was found in the vehicle.

Now, according to the autopsy here,

it's pretty fucking crazy here.

They identify him by dental records in the presence of tattoos on his body because even after a couple days, the decomp is setting in.

Pretty serious.

So the coroner estimated the time of death between to be sometime after 12 p.m.

on June 29th.

He's dead of four gunshot wounds.

Oh boy.

Three to the torso and one to the head.

And they think, yeah, they think he was hit once, started running, hit two more times, fell, and then somebody did the last shot in the head to make sure here,

which is very odd.

Here, his shoes were off and his belt was loosened.

Hmm.

So that makes no sense.

Like he was chilling out in front of the fire, getting ready to watch some TV or some shit.

Hey, you're rarely dressed like that, changing attire.

In a field, especially, it's just weird.

So it's not like it was in your garage and you were changing attire.

So that was odd.

They said it appeared that either he was having some kind of encounter with somebody, like sexual,

or somebody or someone was looking for something on him.

him.

Now, the thing is, though, he had a big

known-to-be valuable ring on his hand that was still on his hand.

Still there.

Still there.

But the firearm that he carries everywhere was not in the car or at the scene.

His GPS and his laptop are also gone, and we know those are going to be in the car.

So that's interesting.

And the problem is

this happened on a night of very inclement weather, and there's been storms since then.

So a lot of forensic evidence, especially ones from

the lug nuts and the jack, are probably gone if there was DNA on there.

So that's a problem.

Now they are going to pull a couple of samples, though, which is interesting.

Okay.

Now they tell Robin, your husband's dead.

Second husband in fucking a year and a half is dead.

So fast, yeah.

So fast.

You are.

It's very rare that happens.

Yeah, you don't see that that often.

So it's with young people.

This guy's 40, for Christ's sake.

He's not 80.

He's not Gene Hackman, for fuck's sake.

Sorry.

Too soon for Gene Ackman.

Yeah, that was wild.

We found out, we expected this to be like juicy.

Crazy.

Yeah.

Or carbon monoxide, and it turns out it's just weird.

It's just and it's sad because he was like

just had Alzheimer's and didn't even know it was happening.

And like, ah.

Wandered around the house.

And how about that, too?

He was so precarious that he could have dropped at any second.

Yeah.

He needed that poor woman so badly.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He didn't know what he was doing.

He was in bad shape.

Yeah.

So the cops tell Robin about this, and they said at the time she was dry heaving and or vomiting when she heard about it.

She was cooperative with the detectives and told them that on the day he disappeared, he was supposed to be going boat shopping in Beaumont.

She also said that he had been, quote, rat holing,

which sounds sexual, but it's not.

Rat holing about $700 for a new boat.

He's been rat holing it.

Pay your mortgage.

Rat hole that on over to U.S.

Bank and pay your fucking mortgage.

Or your child support.

But whatever.

They asked if he kept his money in his sock, and she said he did from time to time because of the nature of his job collecting insurance premiums.

Okay.

In cash?

Door to door?

How is he collecting insurance?

I would think that's all electronic and checks, and you mail them.

I don't think a guy comes to your house and he's like, hey, where's your fucking health insurance payment?

No, cash, asshole, cash.

I haven't seen my fucking insurance agent

for years.

I've never seen them.

Called them, and they sent me emails, and that's it.

That's what I know.

I showed up to his office, dropped him a check, and he was like, oh, you could have just mailed this.

I was like, all right, well, then that's what I'll do next.

I have an app on my phone.

It's all electronic.

Done.

Don't even fuck with it.

July 2nd, 2009.

Now, the next day, they sit Robin down and get a timeline from her.

They try to...

pin down a timeline of who did what and when.

The subject of the extramarital affairs came up, of course.

They said she appeared stone-faced during this interview and didn't shed any tears as people were offering her consolation and saying they were sorry about it.

So this detective spoke with her in order to gather background information and establish a timeline of maybe the whereabouts of Brian on the day he died here.

So Robin told this detective that the victim, Brian, took off for work early that morning.

She said that he drove her trailblazer to work because his Honda Cord was having wheel trouble.

So he wanted to go boat shopping, so he came home early from work.

This guy has financial problems.

He's coming home early from work to go boat shopping.

He's leaving the place that makes him money.

Yeah, so 11 a.m.

here, he leaves work.

And the two of them, Robin and Brian, went boat shopping in Lake Charles and then went to Jerry's Marine in Sulphur, a town called Sulphur.

Gross.

A town of the worst smell that's ever existed.

Great.

They arrived back at home at about 2:30 or 3 that afternoon.

She said at that time he took his Honda Accord and headed to Beaumont to continue his boat shopping.

Now, if his car was fucked up, too fucked up to go to work, who's taking it on an hour and a half trip out of state?

Great question.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

Who does a road trip at all with a car that's not reliable to go 10 minutes away?

Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

I guess the amy davis who is uh i think it's his sister-in-law brian's sister-in-law spoke with a boat dealership in beaumont that remembered brian calling to say he was headed that way to look at a specific model but he never made it there oh so we know we're pretty sure he never made it to beaumont to begin with here So Robin said, though, when he headed to Beaumont in his accord, she took her trailblazer to go run errands, go to the cleaners, the grocery store, and get an oil change.

They said that

they talk about the life insurance policy.

She said, well, he had two life insurance policies, one for $90,000 and one for $40,000.

Okay.

She also told the detective that she learned in March 2009 that he had been having an affair with Fanny Dietz, a co-worker.

When she found out about it, she confronted Dietz here.

She said, you know, just put that out there.

I did confront a woman.

There was some drama there.

She said she had an alibi, though.

She said that on the day her husband went missing, she's running errands with Sissy.

That's all.

Then she talked about Fanny Dietz and all that.

So Kelsey comes in, Robin's daughter.

She said she arrived at the house here.

Again, she lives here, it looks like, at around 7.30 in the morning, the day he was killed.

Kelsey was with her boyfriend, and they went to sleep until approximately 2 p.m.

She works the night shift.

I hope so.

I hope so.

Yeah.

Or Or either that or they just had a fuck afternoon.

Now,

Kelsey left with her boyfriend and didn't arrive back home until 9 p.m.

that night.

According to Kelsey, Robin told her that Brian never came home from work and no one could get in touch with him.

So they said that, and she also said that when the police called her and told her about that he died, that she was crying and throwing up.

July 4th now, 4th of July

here

in Louisiana's playground.

I would think the the outdoor shit they'd be going crazy on this day.

Yeah, there's a place called Independence close by.

Oh, it's happening.

Instead, though, there's a funeral that day.

Oh, boy.

Now, Robin went to the funeral, but there's a post-funeral memorial service where they're all going to talk to.

She skipped that and went and played video poker.

They really do love it.

They love this video poker, dude.

On the way to work, at my husband's funeral, doesn't matter.

I mean, there's no better way to honor a man that has that video poker addiction than just

running a few hands.

So a few days go by.

July 9th comes, and the detectives receive permission from Robin to search her residence and the Trailblazer.

And they also, with the help of Justin, her son, they collect a box of ammunition that belonged to Brian.

It contained 9-millimeter hydro shock rounds.

Wow.

Okay.

Now, Robin gave a formal statement on the 9th.

In this statement, she repeated much of what she already told them.

She told them that, also told them that she spoke to Brian once after

she and he went their separate ways on the day of the murder.

Okay.

Okay.

Then when she attempted to call again, the call went straight to voicemail.

She also said she told detectives that before she and Brian left to go boat shopping, that Brian had went to Kroger to get his sick daughter, Bailey, some soup.

She lives here too.

How many people fucking live in this house, dude?

It's a trailer.

There's just bodies everywhere, man.

I'm counting at least six people so far that live in the adults.

Yeah, that's a loud sleepy time.

Dude, if anybody snores, this is a nightmare.

There can't be more than three small bedrooms in this joint.

There can't be.

It's a fucking trailer.

So this is wild.

Catherine Davis, Brian's sister, said that Robin told her that Brian never returned from Kroger.

In her statement to detectives, though, Robin said that she and he went boat shopping shopping after he returned from Kroger and later split ways.

So we don't know if maybe Brian's sister is confused and

in her, you know, somebody is.

In her just sadness, she didn't really get the timeline right or whatever.

But that could be that.

So we'll give her that.

After they split, though, Robin says she picked up Sissy to go run errands.

And she also told the detective that

Fanny Diets' husband, Shane, threatened to beat Brian's ass and get him fired as well.

Oh, my God, she's married too.

Oh, yeah, they're both married.

Yeah, absolutely.

Oh, my God.

So, the district manager for the insurance company said that Brian told him that his mistress's husband, Shane, might try to have him fired.

Hey, just in case this comes up, I'm plowing Fanny.

So, that could be a problem later for everybody.

So, they said, How were your finances?

They asked her, Robin.

She said her account was overdrawn by almost hundred dollars oh my god i don't even know how you overdraw eight hundred dollars i don't know how they keep letting you take it that's probably not just one overdraw that's that's several and that's how it compounds and compiles and that her house the fucking mortgage hasn't been paid since march we are in july we're in july

and holy fuck they currently own zero car insurance for anything they own nothing is insured you're insurance people you go to and you're just going to play video poker.

Wow.

I don't know what to say here about this.

I don't mean to judge people, but that seems irresponsible.

You know what I mean?

At some point,

you probably just give up and say, fuck it, but I'm going down with the ship.

I got nothing anyway, I guess.

I don't know.

You're only four months behind on your mortgage.

Maybe start scraping, sell some shit, get it together.

That's what I mean.

Be

fiscally responsible.

It's a lot, dude.

So she said that

besides,

despite their financial situation, that Darryl Pettifer of Jerry's Marine said that on the day Brian was murdered, he was looking at a $30,000 boat.

$30,000.

Which at the time is worth more than his house, literally.

He told this guy he planned to pay for the boat with a settlement or a lump sum of cash that he was getting in the near future.

From where?

What are we talking about?

How much he's he's coming into?

I don't know anything.

I don't know any money he's got coming up to him.

There's nothing like in the pipeline that he's waiting for a thing or

somebody died, he's getting an inheritance, none of that.

So the district attorney asked the detective to look at withdrawals and expenditures beginning in February 2009.

The record showed overdraft charges, frequent withdrawals, and withdrawals at gaming establishments.

In particular, on July 10th, Robin Davis was her card was used to purchase $102.75 at Casino Gaming, which is probably

$100.

On July 11th, here, she wrote four checks at KD's diner, $202.75, $102.75, $102.75, and $62.75.

We've got to start some ATM businesses.

This is

crushing it.

And that's the place that has the video poker at the diner.

Okay.

Then they look at her cell records here.

And they became concerned, the detective said, with information they learned from her cell phone records.

A call made by Robin at 3.50 p.m.

pinged off a tower on Elliott Road in Lake Charles.

According to the detective, the tower is just south of the area or is south of the area where she had been claiming to run errands.

There's other towers that would have pinged her if she was in that area.

Oh, so she's too far from it.

Yeah.

They bring in Franny Dietz for questioning, which I would consider her

definitely.

Yeah.

Or did I say Franny?

Fanny.

Yes.

Fanny Dietz here.

They bring her in for questioning.

She's obviously considered a person of interest because her husband had threatened to beat his ass.

So

yeah,

she knew about that.

And also, I guess she said that Robin's son, Justin, didn't get along with Brian either.

So Fanny said they had an affair for about a year and a half.

It ended in March 2009 when Robin confronted her about it.

According to her, her husband, Shane also confronted Brian about the affair.

Shane confirmed that he confronted Brian about the affair,

but denied ever threatening him.

So Fanny was questioned and took officers to a spot at which she had previously used to meet him, I guess, to fuck in a car.

They described it as being a spot off of Henry Pugh Boulevard, which runs off of Big Lake Road near Calcasu Point Landing.

So that's in this area.

The body was found less than a mile from here.

Away from his fuck spot?

Away from his fuck spot, yeah.

Uh-oh.

So the detective also says that her phone records showed that she was,

I guess she was far away from here on June 29th.

She was in Crowley that day.

So the detective also says that Shane, her husband's phone records, show that he was not in Lake Charles on June 29th either.

So that neither of them are around that day.

They're clear, pretty much.

They said there was a gap of several hours between phone calls for both Mr.

and Mrs.

Dietz, and Shane's records showed that he made a phone call at 2:50 p.m., then received no other calls or texts until he received a text at 10:54 p.m., which complete radio silence from anybody in the world for fucking hours like that.

Congratulations.

And the phone records for Fanny showed no activity between 9:28 a.m.

and 4:56 p.m.

So maybe these.

Five hours?

Shit, five.

That's fucking seven and a half.

From 9.28 a.m.

to 4.56 p.m.

It's like 7.5.

I was going the other way.

Why did I do that?

I don't know.

So, and then according to the detectives also, they spoke with Shane's boss who verified that he was at work on the day of the disappearance.

And digging more into the cell records, they'd clear the Dietses.

They didn't do it.

Now, the insurance, when they spoke with Davis, she said $90,000 and $40,000.

Remember?

That was the insurance money that she was getting from Brian.

Later on, however, they learned from the state farm insurance agent that there were two additional policies, one in the amount of $100,000 and another in the amount of $250,000 that she didn't tell them about.

You're talking about $400,000 that she's going to get out of this?

Yep.

And there's a couple other ones here and there that have an additional $150,000 for accidental deaths.

Oh, my God.

Four policies totaling $645,000.

Oh, my God.

Which is a lot more than $130,000.

That's life-changing.

That's, yeah, especially if you live in a trailer that's five months behind your fucking mortgage.

You could buy the whole neighborhood for that.

Yeah, that only costs $40,000 today.

Oh, my God.

So they also

dug into it and figured out that Robin collected an insurance payout after her first husband died in a car accident.

Oh, yeah.

So they're like,

who gets two insurance payouts in a year and a half?

Right.

Of this much money that literally doesn't need anywhere near this much money that yep they're thinking maybe she realized dead husband means insurance money yeah this is

very lucrative business so physical evidence now one of the deputies that responded to the murder scene said that brian's vehicle appeared to be having tire trouble the lug nuts were taken off in one of the tires and the spare tire was on the ground in order to protect the tire from further damage during the towing process they replaced the seemingly the detect the deputy replaced the seemingly damaged tire with the spare.

Why would you do that?

Don't do that.

Why would you touch that?

The tire was taken to Southern Tire Mark to be examined for defects.

The store manager testified later that he found no defects in the tire.

So it wasn't, there was nothing wrong with the tire why it would have been changed,

which is strange.

They also said that it does not happen often, but new tires sometimes will leak if they're not sealed well around the rim.

They said there are, and they said there's also situations which a a tire can go flat, even if there's no damage to the outer part of the tire.

There's lots of ways a tire can go flat.

You have your valve is a little fucked up.

I didn't think about that.

I was thinking air can just come through the rim.

Yeah, just

coming out.

So the Southwest Louisiana Crime Lab person, Lynn Miller, was asked to examine fingerprints lifted from the crime scene in the case.

The fingerprints were lifted from the car jack, the windows of the Honda Accord, and an iPod found in the car.

Remember iPods?

Yeah.

The spare tire rim and the mirror on the sun visor of the accord.

The only fingerprint that they were able to identify was Robin's fingerprint on the mirror of the sun visor.

Oh, yeah.

Another person that works with the lab performed DNA analysis on several items recovered from the crime scene because this is 2009, so we got a lot of DNA shit going on.

The victim's body was too decomposed to yield a blood sample.

Two days that it took for that to happen.

Three days.

He had no more blood blood in him?

Gone.

Wow.

That is wild.

He bled out and then dried up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She said that this medical examiner explained that the only way to obtain a known DNA profile from someone is to obtain a sample directly from the person's fluid or cellular material.

She concluded that DNA found on the victim's belt, fingernails, a bottle cap found at the scene, and his driver's license belonged to an unidentified male.

We're going to assume that's Brian, basically.

So they said it was most likely the victim.

She reached this opinion by examining a bunch of shit and figuring it out, basically.

So

they compared DNA found on the belt buckle and beer bottle and all that stuff here.

They discovered no female DNA on any of the items recovered from the scene.

Okay.

Now, the gun, his stepson, I guess, Justin, Robin's son, said that he always kept a Springfield XD nine millimeter handgun either on his person or in his car, always with him.

Yeah, common, you know, easy, lots of, 15 in the chamber on that one, right?

That's a, or 15 in the clip on that one.

That's a very common pistol, too.

Yes.

Yeah.

Fucking mass produced.

Jesus.

Totally.

Yeah.

I have a BB version of that exact gun.

Yeah.

We have that shit for my targets here.

So they

took, they looked at

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According to this guy here, Douglas Lancone, who's the expert in firearms and tool mark identification, the two projectiles were fired from the same gun and were characteristic of Federal's hydro shock design.

Uh-oh.

Hydro.

Yeah.

So on cross-examination,

yeah, later on, yeah, he'll acknowledge that there are at least 11 manufacturers that could have made the gun that fired the bullets, one of which was Springfield.

Now, Robin's mom said that she deposited $4,000

into Robin's account.

around the time of the disappearance.

She said Robin told her mom that she was instructed by police not to use the account since Brian was missing.

So, because they want to track in case he used it at all.

So, Robin's mom said she did not know that he was dead when Robin asked her for the money.

When asked if she ever told the police that Robin told her the account was frozen because of the death investigation, the mom said if she did, it was because he was already dead at the time she was being interviewed.

She said, I deposited $4,000 into a new account for my daughter, Robin Davis, around the time of the funeral.

I don't know exactly when, but I know it was after he had died.

Now, later on, though, they figure out that

the deposit was made on July 1st, the day he was found.

Okay.

Which is not

doesn't.

The deposit was made before they found the body.

So that's odd.

You know what I mean?

Now there's Stephanie Wells.

She's another one who was living at the house at the time.

I don't know how.

Wow.

She's a good friend and lives with them.

She said she had eye surgery the day he disappeared.

She said that she remembered seeing Sissy's car parked in the grass when they left for surgery.

She said she returned home from surgery about 10.30 a.m.

She did not recall seeing Sissy's car at the residence at that point.

She said that Robin was home when this woman returned home, and Brian arrived a few minutes later.

Brian asked this woman if she would watch his daughter, Bailey, while while they went boat shopping.

Hey, person who just had surgery, will you babysit for me so I can go boat shopping for money with money I don't have?

Watch my kid.

I had surgery on my eyes.

Yeah, I can't watch anything.

I watch shit at this point.

Yeah.

So she said she never saw Brian again, but Robin returned home around 5 p.m.

She said she, this Wells said she called Brian between 3 and 3.30, but the phone call went to voicemail.

At 3.42, she sent him a text message stating that Bailey was not feeling well.

They said that the cell phone records indicate that she tried to call him at 3.42.

The call went straight to voicemail.

The voicemail was followed by a text message stating that Bally was ill.

She didn't get a call back, but she did get it from him, but she did get a call back from Robin.

According to this,

Robin called Ms.

Wells at 3.50 p.m., and this woman assumed that Brian and Robin were still together.

And she says she thinks Robin told her she was going to run

errands at that point.

So there's a lot of this.

She also acknowledged that Robin made this call to her around 3.50 p.m.

And she said that Robin and Sissy arrived home from running errands at 5 or 5.30 p.m.

And then she also said that when she found out about the death, that Robin was very distraught and crying.

So there's that.

Now, she did not believe that his Honda was there when she left.

But when she returned, she believed that

Sissy's Jeddah was gone and the Honda was there.

So it's very confusing.

July 13th, they talked to Robin again.

Let's figure this out, okay?

She repeated much of the same shit here.

She explained that the Honda was not at the house in the morning of the murder because Sissy had drove it home the night before when her car would not start because she left her lights on.

Sissy lives there most of the time.

But here's what I don't get.

I thought the wheel was fucked up and that's why he didn't take it.

Well,

now it's got a bad battery, too.

No, no, no.

Sissy's car had a bad battery.

So Sissy was using the Honda.

She's using them.

Earlier, she said he didn't take the Honda because the wheel was fucked up.

Now she's saying he didn't take the Honda because Sissy had it.

Okay.

So that's what's different.

Yeah, she said that

Sissy told her the Jeddah, her car, was good and that she could come pick it up.

According to Robin, Sissy picked up the Jeddah and left the accord at their house

while Robin and Brian were boat shopping.

She said that we split ways, me and my husband, split ways between 2.30 and 3 in the afternoon.

Robin talked to Brian about 3 o'clock while driving to Sissy's house because apparently she had just moved out.

So Robin had to wait for Sissy to get ready.

The two then went to the cleaner's Albertson's grocery store and back to the residence.

When told by the detectives that her cell phone was being used in the area of the murder, she said she wasn't there.

She said she'd never been in the area where the murder occurred until after the body had been found.

She had no explanation for her cell phone being used in that area during the murder.

Well, that's not good.

Let's talk to Sissy.

Let's see what Sissy's got to say here.

Let's do that.

Because she's the mystery here.

So

she said she was at the Davis home all afternoon the day before the murder, which was a Sunday.

She said when Sissy started to leave around midnight, her car wouldn't start.

So Robin told her to take the Honda since he would be driving the Trailblazer to work the next morning.

The next morning, Davis called Sissy to tell her that Brian would be needing the Honda.

Sissy put $5 to $10 worth of gas in the car and drove it to the residence.

She's like, that's about how much I used.

According to $19.94, $50.

That's nothing.

That's nothing.

So according to the detective, a video from ShopRight showed Sissy at the store shortly after 11 p.m.

According to Sissy, she drove the accord to Davis' residence and then Robin drove Sissy back home.

So Sissy claims she stayed home until Robin picked her up to run errands later that afternoon.

Remember after they had split ways during boat shopping.

Sissy was not ready when Robin arrived, so they did not leave to run errands until an hour later.

Took you an hour to get ready to fucking run errands.

Brush your teeth and get out there.

What are you doing?

Put some fucking underwear on.

That's all.

So when they left the house, they went straight to the dry cleaners, then to Albertson's.

At first, Sissy stated that Robin drove while running errands, but later remembered that she drove.

They completed the errands and arrived at the residence around 5 or 5.30.

When the victim here, Brian, was still missing on Tuesday, Sissy drove around looking for him because he had previously taken them fishing at that one point, the Calcasu point.

I'm sure I'm saying that wrong.

Thank you, Louisiana people.

Sissy drove to that point to look for him.

When asked what she thought about the fact that this point was so close to the murder scene, she replied, she never thought about that.

No, no, no.

They said, well, it was found less than a mile away.

What the fuck?

Anyway, she also told them that she had no knowledge of the death

at all.

Then at one point, they explained the difference to Sissy between first and second degree murder.

And she asked if he thought she killed it.

Do you think I did it?

And he said he thought she had some direct or indirect knowledge of the murder.

And she stated that she did not know what happened and said, I'm leaving now and fucking took off.

Smart move.

Yeah, I'm done with this interview.

So that was done.

Now, there's a video from Walgreens

Based on the fact that Robin stated she went to the drugstore on the morning of the disappearance, the detective obtained a video from Walgreens.

The video is introduced to evidence.

The video shows that at 8.52 on the morning of June 29th, both Sissy and Robin are together entering the store, which they absolutely said they were not together.

Remember that?

According to the detective, Sissy never mentioned going to the drugstore with her because they weren't supposed to be together yet until afterwards.

They also noticed in their separate interrogations between Robin and Sissy that they were caught in lies, numerous lies about their whereabouts that day.

However, neither woman tried to throw the other one under the bus.

Neither one tried to be like, well, maybe she did this or maybe she did that.

The one investigator said they were joined at the hip the whole time.

So after creating this detailed map of all the movements on the day of the murder, including times of events and vehicles that were being driven, they theorized that Sissy staged the flat tire because

she had the accord.

She staged the flat tire and Brian was called to go to the scene to help is what they think.

Okay.

As he knelt to fix the flat, they think he was shot in the back, tried to run for his life, but was shot three more times and died.

Oh my God.

The detectives theorize that each woman fired the weapon, which makes no sense.

I'll shoot it twice, then hand it to you, and you shoot it a couple times.

What are we?

Doing some kind of, what are we, 12, doing a gang initiation?

No, or maybe when he was hit those two times and he fell down, maybe the other grabbed the gun and said, I got it.

I'm a better shot.

Yeah, I don't know.

Put one in his head.

So the phone pings are a big thing.

There's a lot of shit with the phone pings, and I'm trying to get to the ones that matter the most.

One is a Robin Davis call at 3:50 p.m.

During this call, Davis's phone originated at Sprint Tower

4045 and ended up two minutes and 23 seconds later on Sprint Tower 3045.

According to the agents here, neither tower 445 nor tower 3045 can be utilized at the murder scene.

However, the towers can be used a half a mile up the road from the murder scene.

That's where they start pinging.

Okay.

They're talking about how this is a more rural area out here, so there are less cell towers.

So a cell tower pinging might have an eight square mile radius of where it could be, whereas if you're in the city, you can get block to block type of shit.

So they said that using mapping software and a drive test to find the most direct route from Jerry's Marine to the areas covered by these towers, the towers used by this, by Robin during a 350 call, the mapping program and drive testing showed a distance of 21 miles and approximate travel time of 28 minutes.

They opined that it was possible for Robin and the victim to arrive at the murder scene by 3.36 p.m.

Robin's phone calls then or after 3.50 p.m.

would show that she moved a little to the east and then to the southeast and then back into the vicinity of her residence.

So they're saying she could have killed him and been on that cell tower by 350.

Wow.

At 439, she made a phone call that used Sprint Tower 2280.

Both AAA cleaners and Albertsons are in the coverage area for that tower.

Then at 936, she's pinged at a tower that serves her residence.

So, yeah, that's interesting.

Very, very interesting.

They said that

the victim's phone, the phone used cell tower 3045, the same tower used by Robin's phone in her 350 call.

His phone made a call at 3.44 p.m., lasting two seconds from there.

Two seconds.

So that's very, very fucking interesting.

They also said that

Robin's cell phone used cell tower 3045 at 7.31, the day before the murder, and 3.50, the day of the murder.

So I think they might have been looking, scoping out the spot to do it.

So the theory is, obviously, they review everything and they opine that because the accord was not muddy, the vehicle also had to have arrived at the scene before it rained on the day of the murder.

The meteorology reports from Lake Charles Airport indicate that the rain began around 3.45 p.m.

on the day of the murder and lasted until 7 p.m.

Okay.

So that's out of her, she's fucking that all up.

They also noted there was a live round located near the victim's vehicle.

They said that they may indicate the person firing the weapon is not particularly familiar with this firearm.

Maybe they had one in the chamber and they cocked it and shot it out.

Anyway, that's what they're thinking.

They said that the shooter may have been standing and the victim bending over when he was shot in the back.

They also think that

they don't know if he was shot with his own gun.

They're looking at the information concerning the brand of the live round found at the scene and all of that.

And they said the evidence at the scene supports a probability that he may have been shot with his own gun.

Dang it.

Given there's a particular type of ammunition called hydro shocks, and you know, shootings that I've investigated, you rarely ever see hydro shocks with the exception of law enforcement personnel and shooting enthusiasts.

And he was one of those.

Yep.

So he said that the fact that the bullets recovered from the body were hydro shocks and the cartridge casings found at the scene were federal just lends more support that he may have been shot with his own gun.

So, but he said he did not, wasn't able to ever get his firearm to make a determined, you know, definitive determination.

November 2009, Robin and Sissy are both indicted for murder.

Yeah.

They got them both.

But they said it's a tough one.

There's no murder weapon, no DNA, no witnesses.

All we've got are cell towers.

And it's shaky on those

and just logic.

We've got cell towers and assumptions that they're lying.

That's it.

Yeah.

So 2011 is jury is picked, but when they're supposed to be sworn in, the prosecutor has a health problem and it's delayed.

So

there's a delay and the original jurors later on are recalled, but they're eventually dismissed and a new jury is chosen because of an illness by the prosecutor.

That's going to come up later.

So in 2012, the trial comes up here.

Prosecutor displays the fully inflated tire that Brian drove out to change, a fine tire.

So they said the tire was a lie.

He wasn't changing a tire.

The prosecutor said working in concert with the women,

working in concert, the women lured Davis to the secluded area to kill him for, you know, who knows why.

Now, Sissy argues that the state's case against her is especially weak and circumstantial, devoid of any evidence that she was present during the commission of the murder, and she doesn't even get any fucking insurance money.

She says that the evidence, when viewed in most light most favorable to the state, merely shows that her cell phone may have been within a geographical area constituting numerous square miles at times she says she was not

and she says that

not surprising that her stories would be wrong given that few people can recall hour by hour what they did weeks before uh and under extreme extreme grief and stress

so the crime scene guy says he believed the whole incident was staged because of all the documentation and that i examined and showed that the tire was fairly recently purchased and there's no defects in it he said as far as i know it held its charge of air once it was charged so someone just let the air out of it

No defects on it.

And they said, also, he had a compressor in the trunk of his car.

And I don't know whether or not his compressor was functioning or not, but if his

tire was flat, instead of changing the tire, perhaps he could have tried the compressor first.

So

medical death examiner comes up and, you know, says the same thing about the car and about, you know, the mud and everything like that.

And

they talk about that he was found in a secluded area and that his belt was unbuckled and his shoes and a sock were off.

And they said that, yes, because the defense says, couldn't he have been getting undressed when he was killed?

And they said that, you know, yeah, I guess, but anything's possible.

So the defense brings in their own communications

expert as well to try to thwart the

ping theories here.

Prosecution in closing says, quote, he had an affair.

She caught him in the affair.

She confronted him about the affair.

Number two, she had no money and yet she was out out gambling video poker we showed her bank records overdrafts overdraws all the insurance proceeds he had over seven hundred thousand dollars in insurance proceeds and her and her friend were joined at the hip

she said so uh

she sissy drove the condo accord to wagon wheel wheel road feigned a flat tire rather than going home and switching cars as robin claimed they said that she and sissy drove or that she and brian drove the trailblazer straight from jerry's marine to wagon wheel road and uh they said, either way, whoever did the shooting, it doesn't matter.

They were both in on it and they're both there.

So the defense says the state has to put on sufficient evidence and they didn't do it in this case.

So they're innocent because of that.

Didn't prove the case.

Sissy's attorney said it's hard to find any evidence that Sissy Saltzman or Robin Davis did anything more than have inconsistent statements to the police, which is not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime.

And then they also said maybe Brian Davis was going to engage in some monetary transaction that was illegal on the day of his demise.

Maybe that's why he was boat shopping.

Was he killed in a drug deal gone bad?

Was he engaged in sexual conduct when he was caught by a jealous husband or boyfriend and killed?

Did he drive his car to wagon wheel road, leave it parked there, and leave in another vehicle belonging to someone else?

Why would he do that?

Who knows?

That makes no sense.

Then they also, when they go to the jury, it's going to be the second-degree murder or manslaughter and all that.

The defense gets the lesser charges taken off.

So,

their only choice is murder because they figure they won't convict them of that, but they might do a compromise and convict them on manslaughter.

That's ballsy.

That's real ball.

It's an all-or-nothing thing here.

So, the verdict comes in.

By the way, this is an 11-to-1 verdict.

Oh,

Louisiana did not have to have unanimous verdicts until 2019.

So,

wow, disparage that great state.

Yeah, let's disparage it.

Come on, everybody.

Let's disparage it.

Think about how many people Harry Connick Sr.

sentenced to death on juries that weren't even unanimous.

That's remarkable.

He's a monster.

So following an 11-to-1 verdict, they are both found guilty of second-degree murder.

Really?

Yeah,

that's a tough one, man.

I mean, like, I think they did it, but I don't know if there's enough to convict them in a court.

So

during sentencing, during the victim impact, Brian's mother said that he loans his car to Sissy.

He allows her to use it because her car is supposedly broken down,

you know, all this type of shit.

And he says that

it's complete bullshit.

She says, and we all know it was no more flat than it was full, and it stayed inflated the entire time.

They left the tire full of air sitting in the court the whole time.

So you could watch it day after day, not losing any air.

That's a burner.

That's a good one there.

They both maintain their innocence during sentencing.

I guess you have to.

I don't know.

Robin said she'd continue to fight for her freedom, and Sissy claimed she would know no peace until the real killer was found.

Wow.

The judge.

I will not rest.

I will not rest.

That's what OJ said.

The judge told them it was a senseless act of selfishness for their own gain, and there was sufficient evidence to support the guilty verdict.

You, ma'ams, may fuck off life without parole for both of them.

Without?

Without.

Louisiana.

Wow.

And now they can't have the insurance money either, which goes to his mother now, Brian's mother.

2014, the Louisiana Supreme Court voted six to one not to hear their appeals.

They said the central issue of double jeopardy could be appealed to the U.S.

Supreme Court, but he didn't say whether they'd appeal.

2014, the U.S.

Supreme Court says, no, thanks.

We don't want to hear it.

We don't even care.

2018, voters in Louisiana finally vote to abolish non-unanimous juries.

Then two years later, the Supreme Court declares them unconstitutional anyway, which also brings that to end in Oregon, where they also did that.

What do they do about this?

This stays on.

It's not retroactive.

Yeah, that would be a nightmare.

That would let

millions of people out of jail.

So then 2019, they're reappealing again, and

it's not going well for them.

They're denied a new trial.

So they said, basically, you're arguing sufficiency of evidence, which is up to the jury.

And they made their decision.

There was an Indiegogo campaign called Bring Brian Home.

She buried Brian in Lake Charles, which is hours away from his family and independence.

So they said in this, adding insult to injury, Robin had Brian buried on the 4th of July with numerous overtures and innuendos.

She also had Brian buried in a mausoleum, far out of sight, far out of reach, tucked away as if he were a pair of old old socks.

His family and loved ones live three hours away, and most have no idea how to even find his burial site.

His children seldom are able to visit his burial site due to the great distance.

His mother with health conditions seldom gets to visit.

Blah, blah, blah.

They want to bring him to independence and bury him.

It's a mausoleum, so that's in a drawer, right?

It's in a drawer.

So, yeah, they want to pull him out, take him over there.

Okay.

The campaign was for $8,500, and they raised 3% of it.

They raised $330 of this,

which is sad.

When was that?

That was 2009.

It's been over for years.

And it still says on Find a Grave, his burial is in Lake Charles.

So they never moved him, it sounds like.

There is a Facebook page also, Free Carol, Sissy Saltzman, and Ryan and Robin Davis, which has 785 likes and 824 followers.

That's way too many.

That's a lot.

So there you go, everybody.

There's Lake Charles, Louisiana.

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