#579 - Millions To Murder - Sunnyside, California

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This week, in Sunnyside, California, when a slaughter takes place in a suburban home, detectives scramble to figure out if this was a random act for the public to fear or a very calculated attack for a very specific reason.

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Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today on another absolutely insane edition of Small Town Murder.

We have some greedy, greedy people today and some very,

wow, this is like a Menendez situation going on here, except not brothers and not any.

You'll see.

It's just weird.

We'll get into it.

But yes, but no, you'll see.

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but we're not scumbags.

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That said, I think it's time to sit back, everybody.

Let's all clear the lungs here.

Arms to the sky.

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and give me

murder.

Let's do this, everybody.

All right.

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Let's go.

We're going to California this week.

We're going to Sunnyside, California.

Now, I know there's going to be some controversy here just for the fact that it's in

Fresno, is what it is.

Oh, yikes.

Some places have it as a part of Fresno, as like a neighborhood of Fresno, but many, many other places like Sperlings and Niche and Wikipedia, even all these others, have it as a suburb here.

It's sort of, you know what I mean?

It's a census-designated suburb is the way they do it.

So it's still fucked, even if it's Fresno.

Have you been?

Yeah, Fresno's.

Fresno is an interesting place.

It's in central California, about three hours to San Francisco, four hours to L.A.

So you're right in the middle of everything there.

Kind of like the mountains are just to the east of there in the north.

To go to Reno, you can't just make a straight shot.

You have to go this weird, circuitous route around mountains that it takes like five hours to go

which should take two if you flew you know if you went how the

crow flies you have that showed a there was a there was a a fighting movie in the 80s and it was an asian man that was fighting out of fresno california and they showed him back home fighting to get out of fresno

he's fighting to get out of fresno california is what he's doing he's fighting because he's from fresno yeah gotta get out of here

even if the fights aren't in fresno i'm winning

so this is about four and a half hours hours to Lomita, California.

That's our last California episode, Cooking Up Murder.

That was the chef and the whole, that whole thing.

That was pretty crazy.

This is in Fresno County, area code 559.

Little bit of history here.

Sunnyside used to be known as Malter Morrow.

Oh, what is that?

That's what it used to be.

Well, it was named after a guy, apparently, here.

It was named after the postmaster, George H.

Malter.

So they were going to call it that, but then they changed it to Sunnyside because that sounds way more welcome.

Sounds like there's a beach nearby and there isn't, trust me.

Then the riverside?

Well, that's rivers are not.

You know what I mean?

People don't go, oh, nothing's more beautiful than a river.

But sunny side sounds like you're going to wake up to waves crashing on your front door.

The sunny side of the tracks, and it's anything but.

Fresno is Spanish for ashtree, by the way, in case you were wondering.

There, yeah.

So they brought at first, when people first got here, there was land disputes and natural disasters.

Floods caused tons of damage everywhere.

Fires were breaking out everywhere.

Yeah.

In 1882, the greatest of the early day fires wiped out an entire block of the city of Fresno and then was followed by another big fire in 1883.

So there's a lot.

People brought sheep here in 1865.

They had sheep and it started to,

they've gone really through a lot of transitions.

First, there was sheep and then there was wheat and then raisins became a big interest, big thing here.

California raisins.

Yeah.

Actually a guy that they invented raisins by accident because

some guy couldn't pick his grapes for wine.

So they dried up on the vine.

And then he got raised.

And they were like, hey, these are sweet and good.

We should eat these.

Let's box these and give them to Todd's ship.

Box these and don't tell anybody they have more sugar than three Pepsis.

And you'll shit your pants if you eat a lot.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

They're full of all sorts of fiber in there.

That's great.

Pants shitters is what they are.

Then they found oil here in 1910.

Yeah.

The Coalinga oil field, the largest field in Fresno County.

It was the most richly productive oil field in California.

They had a huge 1909, a big gusher, and it was the biggest in California up until that moment.

And yeah, it actually, it was such a big deal, they shut down the Los Angeles Stock Exchange for a day so that all the stock people could go look at it.

They took a train and went and looked at it.

Go look.

Just go look at it.

Yeah.

Wow.

Fuck everybody's stocks.

Go look at the black stuff coming out of the ground.

And that field still produces oil and is the eighth largest field in the state of California as well.

Oh my God.

Reviews of this town.

This is for Fresno County, for the whole county as a whole here.

So we'll just do a few of them here.

Here is four stars.

One thing I like about my Fresno County is the mayor and many volunteers help keep the city clean by cleaning the highways and streets.

Isn't that ran for mayor.

Kevin Johnson?

No, he's Sacramento.

Oh, Sacramento.

So I just see him out there going, listen, guys,

you elect me.

You elect me.

I get a mop.

I get a broom.

I put those big yellow dishwashing gloves on, and I'm hitting the city.

Let's just put it that way.

Don't loop full of fucking keys.

Watch it.

You know it.

Three stars.

I've lived in Fresno County my whole life, and I would say that overall I've had an okay experience.

That's three stars, all right?

An okay experience.

Some days are better than others, but that is everywhere.

I would rate my overall experience in Fresno about a seven out of ten, which is

more like a four-star, I think, than.

That's people who have a little more,

a little more concrete opinion here.

Two stars.

It's a giant hot valley that's muggy and filthy.

There's lots of drugs, violence, and the Fresno Police Department shoots someone dead just about every day.

So there's that.

Great fire department, though.

That's their practice.

Basically, Phoenix.

I was going to say, sounds like Tucson.

One star, Fresno is too hot.

It is boring.

There is no activity for you to do.

The little activity that it has, it's too hot to enjoy the entertainment.

The buses stop running early.

That's a

yikes.

Lazy bus driver.

Man, so this guy is like pissed off because it's still hot out, but the bus isn't running, so he's got to walk.

It's not good.

He doesn't want to go do anything, and even if he did, he'd have to ride the bus.

But he can't because by the time the sun goes down, it's nice out.

6:30.

No bus.

6:30.

Buses are done.

Population: 4,468 here.

Okay.

So it's like a little enclave, Sunnyside.

There's a few more females than males, kind of with the national average.

Median age is a little over 41, but that's, you know, kind of, again, close to the national average, which is like 37 and a half.

61% married.

This is very much.

You get married, you have kids, you move out to here.

This is like a safer area in Fresno.

You know what I mean?

Race in this town, we have 45.5%

white, 3.8% black, 14.3% Asian, 34% Hispanic.

We have religion, 53% are religious here, and

the highest denomination is going to be Catholic.

And I would assume that would be the Hispanic population would probably have that otherwise, you know, regionally.

Yeah, yeah,

they're into it.

They're into it.

The unemployment rate rate is almost 10% here, which is very high compared to the rest of the country.

Median household income here is $87,250 a year, which is a little higher than the $69,000 average.

They're working.

They're doing great.

They're doing all right.

And the cost of living here, $100, is average.

Here it is $104.

So it's not that

far off.

Housing is the highest thing.

Median home cost here is $398,500.

Okay, so housing's expensive.

A little bit high, and you would expect that too.

So

case, we've I don't know how you wouldn't be just clamoring to move to Fresno.

You got a U-Haul in your driveway right now, just pushing your couch in.

We have for you the Sunnyside, California Real Estate Report.

Average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,260 a month, which is close to the national average.

That's not bad.

Here's a three-bedroom, three-bath, so T-bowl for each and and every B-hole here, 2,000 square feet.

It's a standard raised ranch.

Kind of looks like the Brady Bunch house a little bit.

Like that just standard California raised ranch, you know, in a suburb here.

The kitchen's updated.

It's okay.

Backyard's a little dead and sad.

That's not great.

$499,999 for that.

Sounds a little bit much for 2,000 square feet and in a sad backyard.

Here's a four-bedroom, three-bath, 3036 square feet it's on 0.65 acres it's a cool looking house it's totally not california style whatsoever okay the listing has it as elegant tutor estate so it's a tutor so it's got that like old school like you'd see in connecticut or something it's a weird thing

with privacy charm and custom features.

There's a big giant window.

There's a nice pool out back.

It's a cool house.

It's actually really cool.

$875,000 for that house.

Okay.

Which isn't that expensive.

Yeah, but it's a lot out of whack more than you'd expect kind of a thing.

What it is, it's a lot of money for not necessarily expensive.

It's just a lot of money.

It's a lot of money.

But yeah, for the market, it's probably fine.

But for if you just reach in your pocket to pay for it, you go, that's a lot of fucking money.

If you've got it,

here's five bedrooms, four bath, 8,393 square feet.

Huge.

Holy shit.

Massive house.

1.14 acres.

It is a really weird house.

It's long,

and I can't tell how many levels it is.

I don't like it from the outside.

It looks like it was like it's a Lego house that was like pieced together.

It's a little bit weird.

There's a fireplace in the kitchen, which is a strange feature.

I don't see that very often.

It's a custom-built home designed by a British architect.

Okay, and it is $1,200,000.

Oh, God.

Little bunch.

Nice house.

It's a huge house.

It's a huge giant house.

Yeah, that's not that out of whack.

Things to do here.

We have Kingsburg Swedish Village.

Yeah.

That's weird.

Kingsburg

Swedish Village features beautiful, intricate Swedish architecture.

Dala or Dala horses, D-A-L-A.

Know anything about that?

I don't know shit about horses.

I don't know that.

I don't know anything.

I've never heard of that.

I know they're probably Swedish horses.

I know they're big and they're brown a lot of the time.

That's about all I know about a horse.

I know they weigh a lot.

They're real powerful.

They're pretty fast.

What a cart.

One of of them bit my cousin in the face one time.

So I know that's a factor to worry about.

I used to lead them around shirtless when I was seven.

That's what I know about them.

No idea.

Discover their Swedish downtown featuring over 30 restaurants and unique gift and collectible shops.

Are we clamoring for Swedish things that much, really?

I guess so.

We have IKEA.

That's enough.

We have clamor for those of fish.

Yeah.

We have Ikea.

That's enough.

That's enough Swedish shit.

We get it.

You sell the meatballs, the Lincoln ball things, whatever the fuck they are.

Great.

Fish, there you go.

Visit the Kingsburg Chamber of Commerce and Visitor Center and receive a hearty Valkomen to Fresno County.

I think that's welcome in Swedish.

Really do.

That's all it is.

Swedish welcome.

Swedish welcome.

And then finally, the Tequila Fest Fresno.

Okay.

Okay, let's figure out.

I put these two in here specifically.

Let's figure out what are the two most different crowds possible.

The Swedish Village crowd and tequilafest Fresno.

Who's starring Ludacris, of course?

Stop it.

It's Ludacris.

It is

Nelly, and who's the other one?

There's one more that's always.

Sir Mix a lot.

Buster Rhymes was the headliner last year.

Ludacris, the Yin Yang Twins, of course.

Hell yeah.

And more.

They won't tell us who.

But those two are great.

If Ludacris won't get you here, no one's coming, man.

No one's coming.

And it says...

If Ludacris will get you here and stick around for the whisper song.

Celebrate a night filled with throwbacks, cervezas, tacos, and tequila.

Hosted by DJ Kay Rich.

I don't know.

Okay, but you're going to see Ludacris.

It's basically like a county fair, but with tequila.

So it sounds great.

That's about all that's going on there.

Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here, property crime is just below the national average.

So just under it.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is also just below the national average.

So

Fresno proper, not like that at all.

Crime rate high.

That's what I mean.

This is like a little kind of little enclave to itself.

This is safety.

This is,

if there's a murder game, this is where people go,

I'm on base.

Yeah, I'm moving to Sunnyside.

So

you can't murder me here.

That said, let's talk about some murder.

Let's do it.

Let's do this shit.

Okay, let's start out on April 21st, 1992.

Okay, this is two days after Easter.

Okay.

All right.

Now, the address is 5663 East Park Circle Drive.

And we'll talk more about the house later.

So the maid arrives.

Okay, right away.

We know this is a decent house because the maid arrives for duty.

And

she's about to enter the house when the neighbor comes over also.

There's a neighbor that pops by.

She was called by the 22-year-old son of the family who lives there because he couldn't get a hold of his family.

So he called a neighbor and said, hey, would you go see what's going on with my family?

I can't get a hold of them.

So they end up going in the house.

And what they find is right in the kitchen, they find a dead body.

There's a woman dead on the floor right in the kitchen.

And then they look up and see another

dead person sitting in a chair in the living room.

And there's a lot of blood, and it's a mess.

So they take off out of the house, the maid and the neighbor.

This goes far beyond neighborly duty of, you know, can you see if my parents are still there?

You see if the phones are working.

This is a different thing completely.

So they, yeah, they got a call here.

And so the neighbor calls 911.

The police arrive And they say, you know, the neighbor and the maid and maid says, I got here for duty, you know, here to clean.

And the neighbor said, I got a call from the son.

That's why I'm here.

So they said this, this son called and said he couldn't get his family on the phone.

So he asked the neighbor to go over and check it out.

When she arrived at the house at about 9, 10 a.m., the housekeeper and her crew had just got there.

Everybody was kind of going in together.

The housekeeper had a key to the house.

That's how they got in.

Oh.

Because she's got a key to come and go and clean.

They immediately noticed several things out of place right away.

They're like, what's going on here?

What are they doing?

And that's when they discovered the body on the kitchen floor.

So then the neighbor ran across the street to call 911.

Smart.

They didn't touch anything.

That's good.

And

also contacted the son of the family to say, well, I checked on them.

Not so good.

At least two of them are dead, I assume.

So that's not great here.

We saw two when we left.

We took the fuck off.

You might want to call the cops okay so who lives in this house let's find out here uh it is the ewells e-w-e-w or i'm sorry e-w-e-l-l-s ewells

yeah uh starting off let's talk about uh the the matriarch of the family here glee ethel mitchell is how she was born glee g-l-e-e glee and that's her mom's name also okay and that's her legal not like a nickname they call her it's her name is glee glee Ellen Mitchell.

She's born January 13th, 1935.

She's from Chicago.

Her parents are Glee and James.

She's an only child growing up in Chicago back then.

Her father was an instructor at the Chicago Squash Club.

Yeah, I still don't know what squash is.

I don't

either.

I just know it's a game that people that went to like Harvard play.

Yeah, it's Richfield.

That's it.

Yeah, because Frazier and Niles were always playing squash.

And they had a racket and they dressed like they were playing tennis, but I don't think they were playing tennis.

I don't know what the fuck it was that they were doing.

I really don't.

And then an American Psycho, he offered to play squash, and the guy declined.

Is it like

tennis for non-athletic people?

Perhaps

it's tennis, and it's just different rules.

There's a racket, I'm sure.

I think it's like a racquetball type of thing, too.

There's like walls, I think, and it's involved in it.

It is racquetball.

Yeah, there you go.

Why do they call it squash, then?

I don't know.

Who cares?

It doesn't matter, but it's

stupid.

They're rich people.

That's why.

Racquetball sounds like trash is playing it.

Yeah, I guess so.

You could play that at the park.

This, you need a membership to something for squash.

So the family was middle class.

Dad's a, you know, a squash instructor.

I don't know what the hell they make.

And then her mother, I guess, had family who died and they inherited oil money.

They had like Oklahoma oil money in their family that they inherited.

So now all of a sudden they're doing great.

She's doing awesome.

Glee ended up now, think about it.

She's born in 1935.

So when she's ready for college, it's like 1953

where it was like, you know, ladies either got married or went to secretarial school or went to like, you know, the college closest to them or something like that.

But a lot of girls didn't go away to college back then.

That wasn't a thing that happened very often.

But Glee went away to college

out of state.

She, well, you'll, when I tell you where she went, you're going to go, oh, bad move.

University of Arizona, she goes to.

Oh, shit.

Shit.

Tucson.

Poor thing.

She does really well, though.

She wins Phi Beta Kappa honors with her degree in international or inter-American studies.

I don't know what that is.

I don't think that exists anymore.

Studies that translate

anywhere from Iowa to fucking Florida.

Somewhere in there.

But she's very smart, very respected, does very well.

Her diploma, and she speaks Spanish fluently,

leads her to an interpreter's job with the CIA.

Great.

So she's working for the CIA.

She spent two years with the CIA in Argentina before returning to the United States.

And then after that, we don't really know what her role is because

with the CIA, yeah, we don't know if she's

that's what I mean.

So we don't know if she's doing stuff in the States under the guise of, I'm just glee, I'm a mom of, you know, three and I'm doing great and all that shit.

So in 1961 is when she meets a guy named Dale Allen Ewell.

Okay.

They met at a party in Arizona outside Tucson.

Oh.

Now, he's born October 11th, 1932, so a couple of years older.

He's from Ohio.

He is described, by the way, by a reporter as a tall, husky Air Force pilot.

So

you're going to attract the co-eds in the 50s in 1961, you know, and you're a pilot, too.

That sounds cool as shit.

There's a lot of sausage right there.

Oof.

He came from like a farm area in Ohio.

His father raised corn, oats, soybeans, and livestock.

And his mother was a teacher.

And he comes from a family with, he has a sister and three brothers.

And his mother was a teacher and just really, really pushed education on them big time.

The way to, you know, do what you wanted to do.

So Dale studied aeronautical engineering at Miami University in Ohio there and worked for aircraft companies in California, joined the Air Force.

He's just all about planes, loves planes.

Yeah, he's doing it.

Loves planes.

So they get married on December 28th, 1961.

They get married here.

Now,

he is a workaholic, so she's got to deal with that, but he's a workaholic.

He has a job selling airplanes here.

That's what he does.

And that's what makes them move to the Fresno area is

there's a lot of plane stuff going on here.

Tucson's just where planes go to die.

They go to die.

They're a plant graveyard out there.

Or to take off off from the base there.

That's one of the two.

So he made a name for himself and was very good at being a Cessna salesman.

He's selling Cessna planes to people, little private planes.

There's a guy last name of Purcell who will work with him for years later on and then we'll find out.

We'll eventually own his company here.

He worked with him for 14 years and he said that

Dale made a smart move early by targeting people he knew best, which was farmers like his dad.

He knew those guys and what their needs were.

So, right away, he would, what he'd do is he'd take a plane out, one of these Cessnas, land the plane on their farm and take them for a ride.

Come with me.

And if they buy, he said, if you buy, I'll teach you how to fly it.

Oh, wow.

So, yeah, they get him crop dusters, basically, and things like that.

And if you buy it, I'll teach you how to fly it.

So, they said he would, you know, just go up and he'd sell them the sizzle, is what the guy said.

That's what he did.

He said, you weren't selling aluminum.

It was the 250 miles per hour, 15,000 feet, fun of flying, the romance, the scarf and goggles, the power and ego.

You're selling, don't you want to be cool?

Don't you want to be a fucking pilot?

Don't you want to be the red baron?

What's wrong with you?

Get up there.

Yeah.

So that's what he would sell them.

And he knew that was the button to push with them because they led dull lives.

A lot of these guys, they went out on the farm and they went and sat in their house.

How'd you like to go up and fly through the fucking air and look cool?

Like 250 miles an hour.

You get home and your farm wife will be blowing you.

You know what I'm saying?

She'll be like, you're so hot.

Yeah, that's how that goes.

That's what they're thinking.

So the 60s were good years for being in this business, too.

Really?

Air travel was becoming way more comfortable, too.

People were becoming more comfortable with planes and just an everyday thing from then.

In the 70s, the business got even better.

Even then, we're talking 60s, 70s.

He could make $30,000 or more on a single two-seater transaction.

Just a transaction.

So, yeah, one of the airplane dealers said business was outstanding.

You couldn't get enough product.

You could sell everything you could get your hands on and at a large margin.

There must be a giant profit margin on planes.

It must have cost almost nothing back then.

And especially if the supply is greatly outweighing the, or the demand is greatly outweighing the supply, you can charge whatever you want at that point.

So he, so Dale made a lot of money doing this, obviously.

He's doing very well.

Not a lot of people like him, though.

He's not a real well-liked guy around the area here.

Salesmen are oftentimes not.

No.

Well, his boss said, quote, he was the most hated aircraft dealer in the world.

In the world.

In the world.

Even somebody in Pakistan somewhere, not as bad.

They know him and they don't like him.

It's very interesting.

So this guy, I guess, hired Dale away from another firm in 1965 and then left him in charge

when his boss was sent to prison for smuggling marijuana, which is what a lot of the planes were used for back then.

Yeah, I mean, if I've got a shitload of planes

pack a couple of them full of weed and move them around.

Well, we know from crime and sports, any of the guys who had speedboats and did speedboat racing, they were all trafficking drugs.

Yeah, because there's no other way to pay for that fucking business except for that.

So, but instead, when this guy went to prison,

you'll suppose to Dale is supposed to take care of his business and foster it.

Instead, Dale just goes and starts his own business and lets this one flounder.

Just says, fuck it.

Yep.

He starts

Western Piper sales, and he also took with him the rights to sell Piper airplanes in Fresno.

So just completely fuck this guy.

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So, yeah, this Lambie is his old boss and the guy who went to jail.

And he said, Dale Huel did not respect you or thank you for anything you had done.

This guy filed and lost two different lawsuits against Dale as well.

Really?

Another guy who's the general manager of a flying service said that he he said about Ewell that Yule wasn't out here to be the most lovable guy.

He was a no-nonsense kind of guy.

He was making money.

That's all.

It's business.

Yeah, it's business.

He's not out there to make friends.

And so the guy who said that owns a Cessna dealership next door to Western Piper.

And he said,

Yule doesn't let his customers get the upper hand.

He said, when a deal was done and the money was exchanged, Dale had a reputation of don't come back crying if you had a problem.

He took a real tough line.

That's your deal, and it doesn't get any better.

Yeah.

That's that.

So, and now his wife is the complete opposite, by the way.

Angel.

Yeah.

Glee is considered very, very nice.

James Glee.

Glee.

That's what I mean.

She's happy.

Is she mad?

No, and she helps people and she cares about people and she does charity work and shit like that.

A lot of people said Dale was, quote, an old-fashioned chauvinist.

Which I mean, he's a military guy born in 1935.

What do you want from the fucking guy?

That's like when I was like, oh, yeah, we were talking about our dad's not really whatever.

And you go, your dad's an Italian biker, James.

What do you want?

And I went, yeah, good point.

Good point.

Yeah.

There you go.

So that's the same type of thing.

Yeah.

What do you expect from a guy who is in the military, you know, flying over fucking Korea, dropping bombs?

Like, he's not.

Probably drinks some whiskey and pinches ass from time to time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know how, yeah, that's just the way it was.

So Glee, though, does all sorts of shit.

She does public service.

She volunteers for the Fresno County Grand Jury, the Civil Service Commission, the Valley Children's Hospital.

She sits on the board,

the State Bar Board of Governors.

She's involved with museums, the Philharmonic.

If there's a charity in Fresno and something that

she's working it, man.

A lot of parties that she has to go to and all that kind of thing.

Some hungry kids benefiting from her work.

I'm sure she's feeding somebody somewhere.

Yeah.

And people are always sending her thank you cards and all this type of shit.

One, her friend of hers for more than 35 years said, you could talk to 100 people in Fresno and they'd tell you that she was their best friend.

Wow.

So that's just how she is.

The complete opposite of Dale, who no one would tell you he's their best friend.

So they have a daughter on May 1st, 1967.

Her name is Tiffany Ann Ewell, and she's a real quiet girl, and there might be a reason for that here.

People,

her family mainly, dad and mom, say that her personality, they think, was shaped by a car accident she was in when she was a young child.

Apparently, she had a very bad head injury.

That'll do it.

And they said doctors had to install a steel plate to heal her skull.

Oh, wow.

She's like fucking cousin Eddie now.

She's got a steel plate in her head.

Very rare to hear of a girl with a metal plate in her body.

She knocks on and goes, every time I turn the microwave on, I get HBO.

Whatever the fuck Cousin Eddie said.

I don't know.

I think he forgot his name and pissed his pants.

That's what it was.

Forgot my name and pissed my pants.

So

the one friend who worked with Dale said, quote, Dale always said it slowed her down a little.

He called her his, quote, imperfect angel.

That's a terrible angel.

You can just call her an angel.

My little angel.

My little imperfect angel.

See how your head's lumpy on that one side?

It's because you're imperfect.

That's shitty.

A real shitty thing to say.

My not quite round-headed angel.

That's you.

Look at that.

Feel that?

Hear that?

That's not what a normal skull sounds like there, sweetheart.

My oval

angel.

Poor fucking girl, man.

Jesus.

Drinks ovalteen because her head's an oval.

She was voted the shyest person in the class of 1985 at Fresno's Catholic High School.

Foremost insecure, probably.

San Joaquin Memorial.

Or has a head injury and just doesn't have a lot to say.

A lot of factors here that go into this.

Yeah.

Scrambled eggs will make you a little fucking

something.

Her father helped her find a school that suited her.

I think she's a little slow is what we're trying to get at here the whole time.

Everybody says she's just a little bit slow.

She goes to college in Linfield, Linfield College in McMinnville, Oregon.

And people said she was pleasant, but, you know, was also very shy.

And that's just the way she is.

She returned home to take graduate courses in accounting at California State University at Fresno.

The president of the club for accounting students said she was a real sweet, quiet person.

So everybody says she's nice, doesn't say shit, not really doing much.

Another classmate said Tiffany was the opposite of her mother.

Really quiet, very shy.

She was extremely private, just very sweet, very lovely, a wonderful personality, but you really had to draw her out in conversation.

Yeah, I think she's a very insecure young lady who who has a head injury.

That's, you know.

And you may have to dominate a conversation or two.

Yeah, you might have to get it out.

And like I said, dad's calling her an imperfect angel and everything else.

That'll make you, your shoulders will go up and your head will go down when somebody does some shit like that.

Your dad, there's like a weight going on your neck.

It's rough.

I can't believe he calls for that.

That is rough, man.

So, according to the guy who worked with Dale, the Purcell guy, he ate lunch with Dale nearly every weekday for nine years.

He said that Dale considered women second-class citizens and felt his daughter was, this is a crazy quote, doubly handicapped because of her personality, too.

I mean, right away, she's got that vagina.

That's a disability right there.

She's born with a, you know, with a hole where one shouldn't be.

That's number one.

That's a disability.

And then number two,

what the fuck?

You know what I mean?

No, Shafton.

Now she's imperfect on top of this shit.

It's going to fucking dent in her head.

So he

doubly handicapped, he would tell her.

Felt bad for her.

So what he would do is think in the first place.

And now she's really messed up.

No, shit.

He would favor his daughter over the other kid.

That's how he does this because he feels bad for her, especially financially.

Her trust fund was bigger than the son's because

the son has a lot of capabilities.

We'll talk about him in a minute.

And he felt that Tiffany didn't.

So

the Purcell guy said he felt Tiffany couldn't make it in this world without help, but he told Dana, that's his son who we'll talk about.

You're a man, you can make it on your own.

You're not doubly handicapped.

Grabs him by the crotch.

He's like, see this right here?

Lead with it.

Lead with it.

That is his son is Dana James

Ewell.

He's born January 28th, 1971.

It's a four-year difference between him and his sister.

His personality is night and day from his sisters.

Night and day here.

He,

wow, people, when he's in like second grade, teachers describe him as professional.

Really?

Yeah.

Like he sees his dad and what he does and the business he deals with.

His dad also owns a farm, a fig farm, all this different shit.

And he sees that and he goes, yeah, that's me.

I do that.

Third grade, he drew us a nice cow on his own letter.

He said, this is a drawing of my cow.

Now, I'll tell you how to chop it up for a good profit if you want.

What do you say, teach?

So, yeah, that's a real weird thing.

One woman who went from kindergarten through eighth grade with Dana and then later on at Santa Clara University, where he'll go, she said he was very competitive in getting good grades.

He's very smart, and he knew how to carry himself very well.

He's got, yeah, this guy's got a personality and he's very forceful and he's very intelligent, too, Dana.

Another one of Dana's friends from middle school said that Dana was, quote, Mr.

Wall Street.

He was all about money.

In the eighth grade,

in the eighth grade, he's all about money.

So that is weird.

He said these two, his friend and he attended Edison Computech in Southwest Fresno, which was a magnet school for

gifted kids.

Dana excelled at the school's specialty, which was computers, and he stood out as one of the smartest kids around, basically.

Everybody thought so.

He, well, you know what kids dress like, you know, they wear shit.

He was wearing, he dressed like he was going to a board meeting.

He'd wear like pants, pants, not jeans, and

would only wear the polo shirts, Ralph Loren polo shirts, with the, you know, with the pony and all that shit, with the little horsey.

That's all.

It's the only shit he would wear as a kid.

His one friend described him as really mature and energetic, saying he was always in a hurry, walking what he called his New York walk and bragging that he could get by on four hours' sleep.

He's like a 12-year-old, and he's like, listen, I'm a corporate raider.

I know what I'm doing.

I don't need sleep.

You know what I mean?

I got a blood pressure cuff on my desk, you know, like Michael Douglas in Wall Street.

I'm walking here.

So I guess Dana had a Mac computer before any of the other kids did back in the day here.

And he had a, you know, great stereo and all this shit in his room.

They said it was very weird.

He had a dresser drawer filled with bottles of men's cologne when he was like 10 years old.

I don't know what's up with that shit.

Very strange.

His friend said, when I would go over to his house, his room was kind of a mess.

I would kick some clothes over and I would see a $100 bill on the floor.

That used to blow me away.

That's crazy.

And we're talking in the early 80s here.

$100 is a lot of money, and this kid's just, it's on the floor under some dirty clothes.

I don't even know.

It falls out of some old pants he threw in the pile.

When we were kids, which was well after this period, if you had $100, you knew exactly where that fucking $100 was.

In one bill?

Dude, it would be in a frame.

I know exactly where

one bill is.

It's somebody else's.

It'd be handcuffed to like in a Halliburton, like a

nuclear football.

Yeah, like a nuclear footballer, like one of those bank guys who's going to the next meeting.

That's what I would do.

This person, Shelby, saw Dana at a mall one day, and Dana walked by and asked in a mock English accent, Are you low on funds today, Mr.

Shelby?

and handed him a $20 bill.

Here you go.

Low on funds.

Just giving out $20 bills at the mall.

Another person who went to school with him here, Kathy, said that he was driven as a kid, even, and she said that was like his father.

She said, I remember sitting and talking with him on the phone, and he would be writing letters to people in businesses he admired.

What a fucking

boring kid.

What a.

If my my kid was right as a child was writing letters to CEO of Mattel, I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?

This isn't what you're supposed to.

You're supposed to be into like

music and like things that make you feel shit.

Dear Mr.

Mattel, thank you for the GI Show this season.

You have decades for your soul to die, you know what I'm saying?

And start caring about business and all that kind of shit.

I really want to commend you on the kung fu grip.

That's amazing.

It's wonderful.

You can hold all the little guns.

Oh, so

Mr.

Kenner, thank you for these Star Wars figures.

Excellent.

Is that his name?

I don't know.

I think it was Kenner that put those out.

Kenner Toys.

It was Hasbro and Kenner and all his fucking...

Oh, yeah, Hasbro too.

That was a good company, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, she said that, that he would be writing letters.

She said that he didn't say much about his parents.

He said his mom was, she said, his mom was nice and his father was into his business.

That's that.

That's what they're supposed to do.

They said he had a wild side, too, too, where he'd get in trouble and do shit, but his parents would either ignore it or cover for him.

That's how it works, like a lot of rich kids, essentially.

Yeah.

Yep.

Before he could get a driver's license, he would sneak off and steal his father's Lincoln Continental.

Even when he got caught, though, he wouldn't get in any trouble.

It wasn't a big deal.

His friend said his parents were totally blind to everything he did.

One night, him and his friend decided to, what they called, TP a house, which is to wrap it in toilet paper.

Yeah, Yeah, it's a toilet paper.

Obviously.

Yeah, people, I don't know if people around the world know what TPing is.

I don't know.

People listen from other countries.

That's what we do.

Yeah, you TP shit, and there you go.

So they ran out of paper.

Dana left for more, they said.

So he returned with a bottle of vodka, a tomato, and some eggs.

What do you do with that?

Well, he smeared the tomato and the eggs on the inside of this family's car.

while the other guy was wrapping up the thing.

They were like, what did you do?

So the family figured out who did it.

Dana's friend confessed

and said, Yeah, me and Dana did this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And Dana said, I don't know what you're talking about.

That's crazy.

I was never there.

I know nothing.

He egged the inside of the car.

Inside of the car and a tomato, too.

He's a dick.

Damn, man.

And his parents believed him and fought for him, even though he obviously fucking did it.

Yeah.

And he was, this was a

friend of his house that he did this to.

This was like a girl he knew.

Imagine being an enemy.

Jesus.

uh the the young lady he was friends with said dana categorically denied it his parents stuck up for him it was very sad to see his values were so warped that he couldn't admit it when something went wrong it was just a prank but ever since then i lost respect for him sure yeah when he was in high school his dad bought him a mercedes oh which is what you should do for a high school student obviously jesus christ i had a no you don't buy a kid a mercedes first of all mercedes come on and a monthly allowance of 800 in the 80s.

80s.

Good.

In the 80s.

200 bucks a week in the 80s.

He's making this kid.

Oh, my God.

You wouldn't even have time to spend that as you were like in the ninth grade.

What would you buy?

After three months, you'd have everything you want.

You'd buy $200 things every week.

That is crazy.

One time, Dana wrecked the family car, or his dad's car, near the family's beach home, which they have a couple of, by the way.

Dale covered for him by pretending he was the one who was driving.

He told the cops he crashed it, not his licenseless, not his kid.

Not his licenseless child here.

Then he bought him another Mercedes.

Sure.

Of course.

So

the guy who works with him, with the father, Dale, said, but

that was really Glee's doing.

She was compensating for what Dale was doing to him.

So yeah, he had these like parents going back and forth, dad being very tough, and then mom being very soft.

And it, you know, which doesn't add up to a middle ground upbringing.

Just fucks you all up.

You're going to ruin that kid.

He has no sense of, it's an entirely warped sense of reality, and it's a very privileged upbringing.

It is.

God damn it.

And

his friend said that, you know, Glee was always only trying to be a good mother, but

she also said there wasn't anything Dana wanted that he didn't get.

And also, he told, this is another thing, he told lies about his parents and told weird lies, Dana.

Yeah.

One one time dana told a friend of his to drop him off across the street from the his house because quote that's where his real father lived okay the that's odd so the mother said that this friend's mother said dana talked about visiting his real father in europe So the mother said, I mentioned that to glee.

We thought Dale was his stepfather at that point.

She said, no, Dale is his father.

He just lies.

That's his dad.

Said, Dana came up with different kinds of stories like that.

I kind of thought at times he lived lived in a fantasy, not in the real world.

It's a lot.

He just pretends.

It's really weird.

Now, they end up going to the Catholic high school, San Joaquin Memorial, even though they're not Catholic.

It's just a good high school.

So they go there.

One person from high school, a young lady, said he was just so different and mature compared to other students.

He didn't seem concerned about the usual, like football games.

He said he'd wear a suit and tie to school.

That's crazy.

Which was odd.

They had a uniform with like a sweater, but he just wore a suit and tie instead, which they were like, I guess that's okay.

She said he wore a trench coat sometimes.

He just looked like he was going to the office, this guy,

and always carried a briefcase.

Trench coat.

13, 14 years old.

Trench coat, suit, tie, briefcase.

Ah, boy, fucking traffic out there today.

I'll tell you what.

He told his friends that he had traded securities on the floor at the New York Stock Exchange

as a child, and he was always talking about money and idolized Michael Milken.

If you don't know who Michael Milken is, he's the guy that Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street is based on.

He's a huge scumbag who went to prison for insider trading and stock market.

Basically, the crash of 87, huge responsible part of it is he was made a huge,

him and people like him were caused that shit.

So there you go.

That's who his idol is.

Perfect.

Dale's company here now.

We'll talk about about dad.

He's at this point owner and president of Western Piper Sales Inc., the airplane company we talked about, also owns

two different farms that have a combined total of 320 acres of fig and pistachio trees in Merced County as well.

So a lot here.

Now, the guy who Purcell, who started, worked for Dale, said he began selling airplanes for Dale in 1978 and kept going because of the money.

He said,

he didn't like working for Dale, but the money was good.

He said his relationship with Dale was a lot like the one between Dale and Dana.

He treated me like a shithead son, basically.

He said, you have to call it a love-hate relationship.

For 14 years, I'd go home every night tied up in knots because of him.

He was the ultimate manipulator.

He was one of the best

there was at cowing you down, making you feel no good.

That's Dale.

So he said, then he would make a big sale, and Dale would ask him, what have you done for me lately, though?

But what have you done for me lately?

Like that sale was two days ago.

Now what are you doing?

Yeah, yeah.

Making you feel like shit.

So at one point he was hospitalized with cancer, Purcell, the guy who works for Dale.

Okay.

And

Dale canceled his insurance while he was in the hospital getting treatments for cancer.

He canceled his insurance.

You're going to bankrupt a man.

And Purcell said, I asked him, how could you do such a thing, hang me out like that?

He said, it's not my fault that you smoke.

Oh, my God.

You did this to you.

Wow.

Yeah.

Okay, but you still have insurance.

That's a wild thing to say to somebody.

That is crazy, man.

So

another friend said he cared

he cared more about more money, but it was hard to see.

He was in his own favorite charity, meaning Dale.

His hobby was counting money, and he could never get enough.

At one point, he had $10 million in cash in the bank and he thought he was a poor man.

Still felt like that.

He said we'd have customers come in, really rich customers worth $100 million and more and he'd say to me, I shudder to think about his money.

He was in awe.

Yes, I hated him much of the time, but I admired him too.

He said that Dale's relationship with Dana was really weird to witness.

He said, Dale wasn't physically abusive.

He never hit his kids.

I never heard him raise his voice, but he was mentally abusive.

Nothing Dana ever did could be good enough.

Dale bragged about him.

He talked about him, but he abused him.

He treated him like he treated me.

To everybody else, he's proud of him, but he, God forbid, could never tell his son he's proud of him.

One of those fucking guys.

He's got to talk shit about him.

Brutal.

That's tough, man.

That's tough.

So

he, at this point, too, later on,

Glee becomes the assistant director of the Fresno Regional Foundation, which is a big charity thing here.

1992.

Okay.

Dana is in college.

Now, in high school, he's almost a straight A student, but he didn't get into Stanford University.

Didn't get in.

Now, Stanford's a top-tier university.

It's very hard.

And a couple of B-pluses will fuck that up for you.

And if you want to go there, your SATs have to be perfect.

They have to have all the extracurriculars, which he doesn't have.

Things like that.

There's probably more people that get straight A's, and

there's probably more people with the grades than get accepted.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah,

absolutely.

Yeah, that's not nowhere near good enough now.

Like just to be able to get a lot of grades, then you're not getting in.

You have to have all sorts of other shit there.

But he was very pissed off about this.

He claimed it was only because he wasn't a minority that he wasn't let in.

Oh, that's what he said.

So he went to Sarah Clara, Santa Clara University,

which is near

near San Jose up there.

So it's still within a few minutes.

Isn't that where Steve Nash went to college, I think?

It is.

There you go.

During his freshman year, he obtained a card from the University of California State School System that said he was a faculty member.

You go, what does that get you?

What?

A coffee and the machine in the teacher's lounge?

No, it gets you textbooks.

So instead of instead of buying textbooks, he would write to the publishing companies, claim he was an instructor and interested in previewing a book for a class, and they just send him one.

You get free texts.

And you get free textbooks.

He'd also use the same techniques to get books for people he knew, dorm people.

He said he'd run his own little entrepreneurial scams like that, said a Chris Turner, who lived two doors down from him

in college.

He's like, he'd always be doing shit like that.

A philosophy professor caught Ewell, caught Dana plagiarizing a paper for a business ethics class.

I mean,

that is wonderfully ironic.

Like, you just sit him down and go, you see what we're doing here, right?

You see the irony in this, I hope.

This is wild.

You know why you're failing, right?

Holy shit.

I'm giving you an F for this.

So he was suspended from the honors program as a result of that.

Yeah, which makes sense.

One kid here who was a roommate of Dana for a full quarter of their fresh or a fall quarter of their freshman year said he remembers Dana returning to their room shortly after a professor assigned a paper topic with a tall stack of books in his arms that he knew that Dana was never going to read.

He said, What the fuck are you doing?

Why'd you do that?

And he said that Dana only checked the books out so other students couldn't get them.

He didn't want them to get good grades, even if he wasn't going to do the work.

If I can't do it, nobody can do it.

He said he'd do all sorts of off-the-wall things just because he thought he was more special.

Everything was a competition to him, and he had to be better than everybody else.

Even his student housing, he moved into an exclusive dormitory with apartment.

They were apartment suites.

They weren't dorm rooms.

It was called Casa Italiana.

Yeah.

And unlike your usual kind of cafeteria that these dorms often have, Casa Italiana dining hall has,

this is a wild quote, an intimate feel with classical Italian music quietly playing in the background, thin transparent curtains hanging over the windows, clean white tablecloths draped over the three long dining tables.

All 59 students, residents of the dorm, including the resident minister and chef, gather here every weeknight to eat a specially prepared Italian dinner.

Yeah, this is crazy.

Well, I'm not going to college unless I eat some shrimp scamping.

I need to have some veal franchés right now if I'm going to college.

It needs to be ready every night of the week.

Otherwise, what's the point?

One of these dinners, during one of them, Dana told the resident director

Patty Kirsten, a custran, nothing but lies here.

She asked him what his plans were for the upcoming

Thanksgiving vacation.

Dana said he'd be flying to New York City to interview for a summer internship with the New York Stock Exchange.

Not true at all.

Then he proceeded to share with her all sorts of other lies.

He told her that he ran a multi-million dollar company when he was in high school and successfully invested money for his clients in the stock market when he was in high school.

So they were like, oh, wow, that's interesting here.

So the lady said it was like, is he for real or is he just trying to impress me?

You're getting it.

Yeah, it's both of those.

Yeah.

He wishes he was for real, but he's not.

Another student here who became a friend of his in the dorms said that he was very intelligent, very assertive, and created the impression, though, Dana did, that he was wealthy but responsible with his wealth.

You know, he's all buttoned up.

Said he had a very good computer and hardware in his room, but I never saw him wave money.

Like he had expensive things.

His clothes were expensive, but he was never waving money around.

Another person said that

he said it was crazy.

He said he found it very ironic that Dana got an A in ethics.

He said, this guy was smart, very, very smart.

He said, you just didn't know what his limits were.

The thing that was striking about this person was his sense of moral bankruptcy.

I'm just, I'm not just saying this, you know,

to be a, whatever.

He was like, I'm not just saying this because I'm an asshole.

I don't like him or he stole my girlfriend or something.

It's true.

He's literally morally bankrupt.

Morally bankrupt, obsessed with money and social status.

What he would do at college, though, at Santa Clara, he would just start attributing his father's accomplishments to himself.

He'd say, yeah, I'm a wealthy entrepreneur.

Because his dad's a wealthy entrepreneur.

A Santa Clara newspaper and Santa Clara University Yearbook both printed stories on Ewell in 1990, depicting him as a self-made millionaire who was enjoying the luxuries afforded by his business success.

The yearbook blurb was called Flying High on Wall Street.

I don't think he's ever been to New York, the state, the city, anywhere.

It said that Dana was a stockbroker, an aircraft salesman, and president of his own aircraft dealership.

His father does two-thirds of those things, but not him.

It ran on November 21st, 1990, in a neighborhood edition of the San Jose Mercury News, also

that got picked up from the Santa Clara newspaper describing him as a teen mogul.

The article describes his clothes, his gold Mercedes with the Ewell Co.

license plates.

Really?

Yep, but it's all bullshit.

Here's a sample of the article.

With his short cropped hair and lean athletic build, Ewell looks like the typical college sophomore.

You get him talking about his business dealings and his eyes begin to sparkle.

He recounts with great enthusiasm his days starting in elementary school when he began reading the Wall Street Journal and purchasing stock with his allowance.

In sixth grade, Ewell invested $2,000, his life savings, in an aircraft manufacturer just before it was taken over by a larger company.

He made $8,000 in the deal.

None of that's true.

No.

He made up details like that.

Like, it's crazy.

The reporter said her name is Shelby Grad.

She ended up working for the Los Angeles Times later on.

She said that she was suckered.

She said the University Affairs Office proposed the article and vouched for Dana.

So they said, I thought, you know.

How are you going to question him?

She said that he drove, Dana drove this guy past an air freight business that he claimed to own.

She didn't.

The guy said he had a whole press packet.

He showed me a lot of awards he had won, programs he had done.

He had pictures of himself in front of airplanes.

I guess he convinced me that he was really in business and had some grasp of financial markets.

Now, when his friends from home heard about all of this, they described it as, quote, typical Dana.

That's what he does.

He got them.

He snowed them all.

And these people at home are like, look what he's doing.

That's the problem.

And his high school buddy, one of his best friends from high school, Mike Poindexter, said that Dana was embarrassed when word of the publicity reached Fresno.

That embarrassed him.

He's like, oh, shit.

Didn't know my guy was going to get caught by people I know.

Yeah, that's...

Pretty interesting.

A longtime friend of Glee asked Glee about it and said, what are you going to do?

And Glee just said, Dana's taking care of it.

Like, you know, it was a misunderstanding.

The lady misunderstood her.

The article person, you know, those journalists, you can't trust them.

That's what she said.

She doesn't make things up all the time.

They just made up a bunch of stuff.

Yeah.

So now after learning about all these lies that he told,

the Ewells, Dale and Glee, modified their estate plan slightly.

How so?

To structure it so he doesn't get a lot of money right away, if anything should happen or things like that, to structure his money out because they're like, he is a little bit crazy here.

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They also, a lot of people said that Dale was planning on ending his financial support for Dana once he graduated from college.

So that's a problem.

Now,

yeah, so from 1990 to here from that article, the San Jose Mercury, they talk about him saying he's a self-made millionaire.

He's turned, they call him a young mogul selling mutual funds and converting a bankrupt airplane dealership into a $4 million business while still in his teens.

That is crazy about when you do have money, you're able to just make up any story

you have.

And people will invest in any idea you have it.

Because you're wealthy.

Well, he's wealthy, so maybe I'll fucking just bleed off some of his wealth, and that'll work.

Yeah.

Now he just has more of your money.

He's more wealthy, and you're broke, you dummy.

That's fucking, that's, you just explained a lot of the financial system in a very short amount of time.

Yeah, I've lost a lot of money, James.

Yeah.

So Yule was quoted as saying, when I go into class, I drop all of my money and companies and think of the teacher and Plato.

Not Plato, Plato, the philosopher.

That's what he's thinking.

I don't think about all of this.

I only think about what's in front of me.

He said that he had discussed his wealth only with close friends.

You know, I don't let everybody know this, he's saying, you know, I'm not a braggart or anything.

That is fucking hilarious, man.

And then

another one said, another article said, by the time he was a high school senior, the company he had formed had grossed over $2.7 million, making freshman Ewell one of the youngest and most successful entrepreneurs anywhere in the United States.

Right.

Let alone Fresno fuck.

Fuck.

So at this point in 92, that's what he's doing.

He's in college and, you know, being kind of a screen.

He's really killing it.

Yeah.

But I'm sure enjoying himself.

Tiffany is a graduate student at Fresno State at this point.

Family's doing very well, besides Dana being a bit of a douche.

They own the business, like we said.

They have the farms.

They also have substantial investments and all things like that.

The family was so well off, but they lived a very modest lifestyle.

The house they live in, it's not a crazy house.

It's a 3,000 square foot house.

It's not a crazy house.

You know, it's a decent size.

It's a nice, comfortable house, but it's not like a mansion

or anything like that.

Their financial, they have a lot of money here.

This is in 1992, they have an estimated $8 million in all their shit, which is like about, you know, 17, 18 million nowadays, having.

I'll bet it's more than that.

That's not that.

No, that's what it is, adjusted for inflation.

I have the number there.

Yeah.

Not like I did research or anything on this fucking thing we're talking about.

I just assumed.

So

that's how much, and Dana knew how much this was because he helped his dad type up a statement of net worth on about April 1st, 1992.

It detailed the family's holdings, including $2.6 million in cash,

$675,000 in stocks and bonds, $1 million, $1.1 million in pension and profit-sharing fund, $1.9 million in farmland.

All total, their net worth was $7,974,500.

Doing pretty well.

Which is very good.

And Dana and Tiffany are set to inherit each of the estate in the will.

That's another reason why they were doing this.

They could break it.

You know how it goes.

Dana wants to be an investment banker.

That's his big deal here.

That's what he wants to do.

An investment banker.

Which sounds boring, but I guess you can make a lot of money if you're a criminal.

So, you know.

If you're a piece of shit, you can probably do very well.

No moral compunction whatsoever.

You can really do great in that.

So Easter weekend 1992 comes.

This is April 18th, 19th is a Saturday, Sunday there of 1992.

Now Dana, Glee, Dale, Tiffany, the whole family spend Easter weekend of 1992 at the family beach house near Watsonville.

Yeah, I don't know about that.

Not bad.

They arrived at varying times on Thursday and Friday.

Tiffany and Glee drove from Fresno.

Dale

flew from Fresno in one of his planes.

And Dana drove down from Santa Clara, about, we say, about a three-hour drive, where he attended school.

So there he is.

Now that's the weekend.

Sunday, April 19th, that's Easter Sunday.

Dana and Dale played tennis together in the morning.

A little tennis game.

Then the family had lunch and took a walk on the beach.

What a fucking nice day.

Jesus.

Not bad at all.

Dana left around 2.15 to 2.30 p.m.

and drove to Morgan Hill, where his girlfriend, Monica Zent lives.

He's going to have Easter dinner with his girlfriend's family.

He remained there with his family or with her and her family, Monica, until sometime that evening when he and Monica together returned to school.

So that's how that goes.

Now, Dana assumed his mother and sister left the beach house shortly after he did because that's what they were saying.

We're going to take off.

Dale returned to Fresno by plane, arriving at the Fresno air terminal just before 3.30 p.m.

So everybody kind of left about the same time.

Yeah.

You know, two something.

All right.

We're going here.

He called, Dale called Marlene Reed, who is Western Piper's business manager, from the office phone sometime around 4 p.m.

So he went in, did some office shit, even though it's Easter Sunday.

But when he called his family, then Dana called later on and nobody was home at his house.

No one answered later on when he called, when he was like, they should be home by now.

So he was unable to reach anybody again the next day when he called on Monday.

And he also called the office and they said that Dale hadn't been in and he's usually up that his office manager's ass calling her 20 times a day.

She hasn't even heard from him.

She's like, what's going on here?

He's letting me just, he's not even micromanaging me today.

No, it's just, it's weird.

Yeah.

That has to feel like, what's going on?

Why isn't he bothering me?

You'd be expecting these phone calls by now, just reflex.

So that next day, Monday, April 20th, 1992, Dana expresses concern about his family to Monica's father, John Zent, who was an FBI agent at the time.

So he says, I don't know what's going on.

I call my family.

No one's answering.

Marlene Reed here can't get a hold of my dad.

And, you know, they're attached all the time.

He's calling her, yelling at her for one thing or another.

So they didn't understand it.

So

Marlene Reed, the office manager, told Dana, why don't you talk to one of your parents' neighbors?

I'm sure you have somebody's phone number and ask them to go check the house.

So he said, yeah, maybe I'll do that.

But then the next day,

he hadn't done it that day.

Then the next morning, Dale didn't show up for work again.

And this Marlene's like, you got to call and see what's going on here.

Figure this out.

So that's when he called the neighbor on Tuesday, April 21st, called the neighbor to ask the neighbor to check out the house because no one's answering the phone.

They arrive as the maids are coming shortly after 9 a.m.

Now,

they walk in and here's what they find.

As we told you, there's bodies everywhere.

Well, they find Tiffany.

Oh, no.

She's the one lying face down on the kitchen floor in a pool of her own blood.

And I assume an even less perfect skull at this point.

So she'd been shot once in the back of the head with the bullet exiting her forehead.

Like a, like a fucking mob hit.

Yeah.

That's cold, man.

That is cold.

For like a slow 24-year-old girl or whatever.

That's brutal, man.

Dale, he was found lying face down in the hallway.

He'd been shot once in the back of the neck with the bullet exiting below his right eye.

Oh, good lord.

So back.

These are all from the back.

Yeah.

Glee was lying partially on her back and partially on her left side in the office, like on a couch there.

She'd been shot four times.

The other two are like clean hits.

This is four times, including once just below the eye with the bullet exiting the back of her head.

Just brutal.

These are all through and throughs, too.

This is.

Now, they said rigor-mortis and lividity had set in as to all three victims.

So they have been here a while.

It takes a while for lividity to set in.

So they know that they've been here.

They appeared to have been shot at the location where they fell based on spatter and blood, obviously blood pools and things like that.

Now, the cops, as they're walking through, the one

observes that the house appeared to have been ransacked.

Really?

So they're like, maybe this is a burglary.

There's ransacking taking place.

They were also looking for signs of forced entry.

Based on this officer's observation of the bodies, as well as information given to her by paramedics prior to her entry, she concluded the death is obviously a murder, clearly.

There's also holes in the walls, which appear to be bullet holes, some of which this officer initially saw and some of which they took her a while to find.

And in the case of Dale's body, a blood patter spatter that suggested high-velocity gunshot evidence.

So they determined that a search needed to be made for the bullets themselves to try to have comparisons here.

She also needed to inspect the underneath of the bodies, but couldn't do that until the coroner arrived and took possession of them here.

So the deputy coroner and pathologist arrived about 5.45 that afternoon, inspected the scene and the position of the bodies in order to help determine the cause of death, and the bodies are removed by 8 p.m.

Now, the police officer here went to each room of the house, noting the layout and looking for items that may have been associated with the bodies.

She was specifically looking for signs of forced entry, details concerning the ransacking.

They said the appearance of which was present in virtually every room.

So it looks like every room has been trashed.

Blood evidence, firearms evidence, fiber evidence, latent fingerprints, all that kind of shit.

The walkthrough excluded the master bedroom, or included the master bedroom, I'm sorry, where she observed two rifles and a shotgun, several boxes of ammunition, a handgun shipping box, a gun-carrying case, and a loose 9-millimeter bullet.

Okay.

This detective said this was a,

in their experience, this is a complicated crime scene, and you don't want to fuck anything up because something weird is going on here.

This is, it's a burglar, it's a robbery, but it's not a robbery, and there's something up here.

So they're really taking this extra careful.

They said the pathologists could not determine the order in which Glee's wounds were inflicted

or in which the victims were killed, but they have a theory that the women returned, Tiffany and Glee, returned home first, entered the house together or one right after the other.

Tiffany was shot first, having been taken by surprise when she passed by the killer's location.

The killer then emerged and shot and wounded Glee, who retreated into her office where she was killed.

And Dale was killed last because he came in later.

Period.

So they said the times of death were estimated at between approximately 5 and 6 p.m.

So sometime after 2 or 3 p.m.

on April 21st, this day that they're looking through the house, detectives were conducting an investigation of the crime scene.

They met with the another sheriff's lieutenant met with Dana Ewell and John Zent

in the lieutenant's office, at the sheriff's office there.

John Zent is the girlfriend's father who's an FBI agent.

Now, Ewell and Dana and Zent were very curious and wanted information about what had happened at the scene.

I would assume if that was your family, you'd want to know that kind of shit.

Now, the sheriff did not have that much information at the time.

He was aware detectives were conducting the investigation of the crime scene, so they told Dana that his family had been murdered.

It said probably occurred sometime between 3 and 5 p.m.

when they...

Then they had reached, you know, they had gotten confirmation that it was his parents and his sister and all of that.

So at some point during the meeting, Dana started, stated a willingness to fully cooperate with the investigative efforts and, you know, find who killed my parents, basically, here.

So they believe that the killer was probably waiting either inside or in the bushes just outside and snuck in after them type of deal here.

And that's what shot him from the back.

They never even got the chance to bring in their suitcases from the Jeep that they arrived in.

Oh, they're still in the car.

Yeah, they were going in, put some stuff down, probably go out and grab the suitcases.

They didn't even get a chance to do that.

So they said that Glee was shot as she sat in a chair in the living room, and then she got up and ran.

Tiffany ran to the kitchen to get away, but was shot as well.

Yeah, so they said that

Dale, they know that he arrived more than 30 minutes after them.

He had made a call, and not only to his office manager, but to another aircraft dealer to argue with him before making the short drive home.

He parked his Lincoln Continental in the garage.

There's mail scattered all around him.

So they think he came in with a stack of mail that they've gotten over the weekend and started, came in through the back door and started down a hallway.

And they believe that the gunman was in a bedroom off the hallway as he walked past the bedroom door.

They think the shooter just stepped into the hallway behind him and shot him.

They said he probably never saw a fucking thing come and didn't know what happened.

So

the murder weapon, they suspect the murder weapon is a nine millimeter, obviously, that they figured that out.

And they said those weapons are usually automatics.

So they're wondering where shell casings are because there's no shell casings.

So we got nine shit, but we got no shell casings.

People who clean up shell casings are like mafia hitmen.

You know what I mean?

That's not a normal thing to clean up your shell casings.

Yeah,

I mean, mafia guys will shoot you and then just leave the whole gun and everything there.

That's why they're like

more.

They like revolvers a lot of times, too, because there's no casings and they're reliable.

Not a lot of nine millimeter revolvers.

Not a ton of them out there.

And they did find a box of nine millimeter Winchester cartridges containing 18 rounds of ammunition in the master bedroom and the loose round located on the master bedroom floor as well.

Yeah.

Which is odd.

So analysis of the bullets and tool marks showed the bullets recovered from the crime scene almost certainly came from this box of cartridges.

Okay.

Yeah.

So the investigation revealed that Dale had purchased that box of ammunition together with a 9mm Browning pistol in 1971,

21 years ago.

The pistol, which should have been in the residence, was missing as well.

Uh-oh.

That's not good.

There did not appear to be any signs of a struggle other than the ransacking, which that's not a struggle.

It's a different thing.

The authorities have concluded the burglary had been staged, and this happened for a reason.

Now, part of this, they're wondering, is, you know, Dale has pissed off a whole shitload of people in his business dealings.

A lot of them.

The whole world hates him.

A lot of people, and a lot of people have a lot of money, too.

He's pissed off.

So, you know, that's a big factor where they're like, Jesus, there's a lot of people that could have wanted to kill this guy, but why would they do it in his home where his wife and daughter are, too?

Why wouldn't they just kill him when he's out in his, you know, out of his business or something?

Get him when he's leaving the office one night.

You don't slaughter a slow 24-year-old and a man's wife for a bad Cessna deal.

No, it's weird.

They said that there was no signs of forced entry.

All the doors and windows were secured with the exception of the front and back doors that were unlocked when the sheriffs came.

The skylights didn't appear to have been damaged or disturbed.

The alarm, which is normally armed, was not on and had not been triggered because they were home.

So they probably came in, turned it off.

So what happens is they complete the crime scene processing on April 24th

and the residence is turned back over to Dana.

It's your house now.

Nobody else.

So he had the locks changed that evening, which is probably smart.

You don't know if this murderer had a key to the house or something like that.

So Dana and the detective walked through the house and discussed what had been found.

Dana requested inventory of everything that had been removed from the home.

During the detective's contacts with Dana on the 23rd and 24th of April, Dana did not indicate any resistance or problem with the investigation, except that he was upset about a padlock being cut off the back gate.

You cut off my $9 master lock.

What the fuck, man?

Wow.

Because Dana had showed the detective where a key to the lock was hidden, but she apologized and explained that the sheriff's personnel didn't know there was a key, so they had to cut off the lock to, you know, do their jobs and get in there and have crime scene shit in there and stuff like that.

So Dana apologized to the detective as he was leaving or she was leaving.

So that's how that worked.

Now, the funeral for this family happens.

400 people show up,

and the Reverend calls Glee the ultimate giver and said Dale was a gentle giant and Tiffany was a delicate flower just ready to bloom.

Just ready to bloom.

Just ready to pop.

And then Dale popped up from his coffin and goes, she's never going to bloom.

She's a dud.

Up here, she ain't right.

It's not going to work.

And they were like, put him back in the casket.

So friends of Dana said he was very shaken up by the deaths and things like that.

But they said he also, at the funeral, was a little bit odd because he was complimenting friends on their outfits and making a big fuss over the size of one woman's giant diamond engagement ring, which at a funeral, you do.

Italians all gamble at funerals.

This is just, it's, that doesn't mean you don't have any empathy or sympathy or you're not sad.

You just

fucking move on.

You make jokes and you, I'm a comedian.

We are.

We make jokes at funerals.

That's just what you do.

It's can't help it.

So the next day, investigators said that Dana hitched his father's ski boat to his mother's mother's jeep and took a keg of beer and a group of friends out to the lake.

Oh, that a boy.

The next day, that'll cheer you right up there.

That's all I grieve.

Wow.

He still had his gold Mercedes, but he started driving his father's car and threw out his briefcase and used his father's from now on.

Oh, yeah.

That's probably nicer.

I'll just be dead.

That's all.

Now, under the wills here, okay, the estate is distributed to a trust.

Until Dana turned 25, the amount paid to him was a discretionary amount with the trustee who was obligated to pay enough from income or principal or both to support and educate him.

But not, you know, you don't have to give him everything.

Between the ages of 25 and 30, all income would be paid to Dana, although any payment from the principal would remain discretionary with the trustee.

So he can take the profits of things, but he can't take the chunks.

At age 30, one half of the principal would be distributed to Dana, with the remaining half distributed to him at age 35.

So they have it all laid out.

There's a lot of different things he has to hit here.

The structure, yeah.

He has got some milestones, some achievements.

He's got a master P-level contract.

Well, no, that one he actually had to produce, though.

This one, all he has to do is live to 35, and then he gets all his money.

It's not bad.

Yeah, Ricky Williams had to get like fucking 1,900 yards a year to make fucking minimum salary or some shit.

So his uncle obtained a copy of the will shortly after the bodies were found and informed Dana that it contained no burial instructions.

And Dana said something like, well, okay, but what about the money?

Dana.

Yeah, well, we know he loves money.

So when informed about the provisions, including the age stipulations, he became very angry.

And he pounded on a table as he lurched out of his chair and asked why his father had done that to him.

Bastards.

To him.

To him.

Fucking

when I'm 35, big fucking deal.

What about till then?

Yeah.

So now,

in order to assist him in compiling family financial records, Michael Dowling, who is a, I guess, a money guy that works for them, gave Yule access to an office in Dowling's building and provided a telephone there that Ewell was authorized to use for business affairs.

During the first couple months following the murders, Dana was at the office almost every day.

This is at the

Western Piper office.

Telephone records for the office show from

May through July 1992 show telephone calls to the residences of friends, parents, friends' parents, paint and body shop, just

all kinds of shit here.

Oh boy.

In

early May 1992, bank accounts and insurance proceeds in the amount of $317,888.47, which were not part of the probate estate, were turned over to Dana, as were a portion of Tiffany's approximately $119,000 in assets and some $375,000 in certificates of deposit.

There's also a preliminary distribution from the estate from which Dana received various effects worth approximately $65,000 and his Mercedes.

Now, although he wasn't permitted to run Western Piper sales as Dana wanted to, Dana was hired as vice president of the company at a salary of $2,000 per week.

Whoa, eight grand a month.

Eight grand a month in addition to what he's getting.

And

he's not running the place.

He doesn't have the responsibility.

Now, the detectives are like, this is a little bit weird.

The way he is with the money and all that, he's a little bit too concerned.

You at least give lip service to, oh, I'm sad my family's dead.

You know, the money's coming.

Just chill out.

So one.

You've got that a lot.

You're the only one left.

Yeah, this is weird.

Detective, one did this.

Detective Curtis walked Dana through the crime scene and thought his reactions to the crime scene were highly unusual.

And afterwards, said, quote, that kid's dirty.

Dirty.

Dirty.

Something's up here.

So he, right after the homicides, he was, Dana was living with one of his uncles before

he got back in the house.

He moved out of there within a couple weeks and he said he was staying with a friend in the neighborhood.

He specifically said he was not living in the family house, which he definitely was.

Because within a month of the funeral, he was giving his old high school friend, Michael Poindexter, a tour of the house.

So he was definitely in there.

He was living in the house at the time.

Despite the fact that only some of the cleanup work had been done, there's still bullet holes, blood, and brain matter on the walls, and he's living there.

What the hell, man?

There's fucking brain on the walls, and he's living in this house.

No, you got to get the professional cleaning crew to come in there, do that, paint the walls.

This is crazy.

So that's wild.

I guess Dana told Poindexter, quote, they will never solve this case.

They're a bunch of dummies.

Oh, boy.

And then he told Poindexter that he didn't have to talk to the detectives if they want to talk to you.

You don't have to talk to them, you know.

Fuck them.

So April 30th, Dana drops out of school.

Well, yeah, why do that anymore?

Yeah, like I said, he tried to take over the business, but he ends up being the vice president.

And Purcell, the guy from before, said he came in the first few months and acted like he owned the place, but that didn't set well with the employees.

He didn't have the experience to own it.

He kind of did own the place is the problem, but he can't run the place.

They said that he just spent time on the phone with the door closed the whole time.

That's all he did.

So May 1992, the cops are checking all around.

They decide they need to dig into Dana a little bit more.

So they're questioning friends and acquaintances, traveling to Washington, Utah, California, college, Santa Clara, everywhere.

They meet with, in Utah with Michael Poindexter.

Okay.

Poindexter is going to Utah State University at this time.

And like I said, he was one of Dana's best friends in high school.

Poindexter said the questions made it clear to him that Dana was under suspicion by these cops.

He said, this is Poindexter talking about the cop.

He said, he told me we're trying to clear Dana, but I told him, no, you're not.

You're trying to nail him.

The detectives questioned Poindexter about his whereabouts the weekend of the killings and determined that he was in Utah.

So, you know, couldn't happen.

Poindexter said they acted like I had done it, and I thought, right, he's going to hire a friend to get it done on the cheap.

That's how you,

what are you, an idiot?

You know, hire your your college friend?

Yeah, real shrewd.

So, you know, that's one of those, that's like toilet paper or toothpaste.

You buy quality when you're talking about hitmen.

So he said the detectives questioned him about the interest that he and Dana shared in Joe Hunt, the founder of the Billionaire Boys Club.

Remember that whole mess?

No,

we'll do a bonus episode on that, but it's the, uh, from the newspaper here.

The highly publicized group was a confederation of ambitious young Southern Californians whose efforts to make a fortune fortune through investments ended when members were involved in two murders.

As they always are.

This Hunt guy was serving life sentence for the 84

robbery and murder of an associate of his.

So Poindexter said that Dana, he and Dana became fans of Hunt after watching a television movie on the Billionaire Boys Club.

He said they were impressed by the ability of young and inexperienced businessmen to make big profits in the commodities market.

These people always miss the other part of the story where they were corrupt,

doing illegal shit and then murdering each other for it.

They just ignore that part.

It's like watching just the

middle, like

40, about a half hour into the Wolf of Wall Street for like the next 45 minutes.

If you just watch that part, you're like, this is going, I'm going to do it my whole life after it.

Yeah.

Not the beginning, not the end, not any of that part.

Yeah.

How about the part where he drove

Lamborghini all all the way home?

Bashing it into things the whole way.

So he said that Dana wrote to Hunt in prison.

Hunt wrote back, but only because he thought that Dana was a girl, because his name is Dana.

He was asking for pictures of her tits and shit.

That's what he wanted.

They're like, oh, fucked up.

Hey, Dana, why don't you send some pictures of you in the laundry?

I can never do that, bro.

He's like, I mean, I'll send them to you, but I don't know if you're going to want to jerk it to him.

So a reporter asked Poindexter what the.

uh at one point

someone said something about the murder could be justified and a reporter asked poindexter what that meant and he said not for me because of my moral code and they said well what about for dana you know and he said well you'd have to ask him they said what did dana think of his parents he said he admired his father for his tough business sense what about his mother Poindexter said, nice lady.

Okay.

They said, could he have killed them?

And Poindexter said, could could have.

Anything's possible.

I don't know.

That's crazy.

So just a few weeks after the murders, a new name pops up here.

Joel Patrick Radovich.

Radochich.

Radovich.

His name is weird.

R-A-D-O-V-C-I-C-H.

Radovichic.

Joel, we'll call him.

Joel.

Joel here.

Joel's a college.

Joel.

Fuck.

Joel.

He's a college friend of Dana who abruptly dropped out of college right after the murders.

And so he came under a bit of suspicion.

They look into him a little bit.

They find out he has a huge preoccupation with guns and explosives.

Loves them.

Loves making bombs and silencers and shit.

That's his jam.

So the detectives here and their team set out to obtain background information on Dana as well as to look at other possible suspects.

In the course, this is when Joel's name was mentioned as being a friend of Eul's from college.

They contacted him on May 7th, 1992, while they were in the Los Angeles area.

And they said, listen, we're working on a triple homicide case.

They called him up.

They said, we're working on a triple homicide case where the parents of a Santa Clara student were the victims.

Joel asked, why do you want to talk to me here, basically?

Because he said, I've heard about the murders and I know Dana, but I mean, why do you want to talk to me?

They said, well, we understand that you used to be a good friend of his and that, you know, I'm conducting a background investigation on him.

So, you know, we're talking to everybody.

And Joel's response was, are you going to arrest me?

Oh, Joel, that's a bizarre.

Huh?

That's a weird question, man.

Fuck did that come from?

Yeah.

Hi, how you doing?

We're working a triple homicide.

There's a guy you know, and we're just asking some background questions.

Should I put the cuffs on?

Like, what?

Where's the cage car?

What is happening right now?

The detective said, no.

What?

Like,

no.

And he said, all right, then I'll talk to you then, sure.

Let's just chat then.

So they met the next day um almost immediately joel brought up his prior question about being arrested again am i going to be arrested here they're like wow why would you get arrested because we're asking background questions about a guy who we don't we don't even suspect he's the murderer how do we what are you talking about so he said that he thought they were cops from santa clara and were harassing him about some shit from santa clara that's what he thought that's what he told them he said he first met dana in the fall of 1990 when they lived in the same dorm at santa clara we know that dorm Joel said that they were friends and would hang out together, but that their friendship was limited to school and they did not communicate outside of a school setting.

He said he had been to Fresno one time in the spring of 91 and had met Dana's parents at their house.

And Joel also related that he had spent a couple days at the beach house with the Yule family as well.

He said his last contact with Dana was in the winter quarter of 1991 and that he had not been to Fresno since his graduation from college in December 1991.

She didn't graduate then.

When he was asked about his whereabouts on Easter Sunday, he replied that he was at Hamrick's Paint and Body Shop, which is, by the way, one of the numbers that Dana called many, many times while he was at the office for the next, those first few weeks after the murders.

Hamrick's Paint and Body Shop.

Joel also related that Dana had once said that he had owned his own airplane business, though Joel said he knew Dana was that Dale was the true owner of the business.

Turns out, though, further investigation, they know each other a little better than we met a few times in college and kicked around.

Apparently, they have a very good friendship here.

According to school records, Joel began attending Santa Clara in the fall of 1988, while Dana's attendance began in the fall of the following year.

Prior to the spring quarter of 91, their course loads were within the normal range, but beginning that quarter, both took much heavier unit loads than normal.

On On February 6, 1991, Dana exercised his right under federal law and requested permanent non-disclosure of all academic records.

On June 11, 1991, Joel made a similar request.

Oh?

Yeah, they said fewer than 1% of enrolled students request non-disclosure in either temporary or permanent form.

So for the two of them to do it together, They said that Dana, you know, that's what they were doing.

So Joel and Dana lived in the same dormitory until early 1991 when Joel and two other students were charged with stealing $3,800 worth of furniture from the dorm.

Joel left Santa Clara after graduating with a business degree.

He'd been estranged from his family for several years.

He's just hanging out in the L.A.

area.

Now, other people they talked to from Santa Clara said, oh, yeah, they were really tight, Joel and Dana.

They said, we never understood it because we had one guy who was like suit and tie and briefcase, and then Joel's like real shaggy and like real kind of sloppy and not that kind of guy.

They said he, you know, he is just a little weird.

One guy said Joel was a character.

He would ride around on his skateboard in the dorms.

He would spit on the walls.

He would grind on people.

And I don't mean grinding with your skateboard trucks.

I think he means he would hump on people.

Yep.

It was difficult to see what those two had in common.

And another person said, Joel was shady.

I always stayed away from him.

For him to have that reference of him spitting on the walls, that has has to be multiple times, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's just what he would do.

He would ride around and go, what is that?

Look at how much I don't care about shit now.

I'll destroy shit.

Spit indoors.

I never understood those, like in school, there would be kids that would do shit like that.

Like, I'm going to fuck that thing up.

For what?

For what?

What advantage does that give to you?

I'm not doing anything unless I can see a clear advantage in it for me.

Do I get something from this?

Like, just for attention?

I guess I didn't, I don't know.

I just knew I wasn't getting attention, so I just, I wasn't looking for it.

A lot of people think spitting is like disgusting.

I spit fucking constantly.

But not indoors.

Not indoors.

On walls.

You spit outside all the time.

Not like I'm going to spit while I skate by.

I don't think I've ever seen it.

And I would probably have the same reaction that most people have to people spitting outdoors.

Yeah.

Like, what are you doing?

On the walls?

And I'd probably be viscerally sick.

He spits on the wall, so then if somebody leans on the wall, he goes, ha ha.

God damn it.

Spits that's all it is.

Yeah, we all knew those kids in school that were like that, that would do shit just to go, oh, then you're going to get that on you, and I'll laugh.

Okay, great.

Why do you want your

I don't get it?

Why do you want to be spitting?

So Joel left Casa Italiana, the dorm, and the college in 1991 after he and the students were charged with stealing furniture from the building.

And according to the court records, the charges were dropped after the school was reimbursed for the $3,800 loss.

So June 1992, during the first week of June, June, Joel was seen at Dana's house, the Park Circle murder house, when Dana wasn't even there.

He appeared to be living there and had his clothing in the master bedroom.

Oh, boy.

So we don't know each other very well, but when his parents die, I move into their bedroom.

That is fucked.

Now, Sheriff's Department surveillance of Yule of Dana began on June 25th, 1992, and will continue for the next year.

We'll talk about all this.

Surveillance conducted in June 1992 revealed that Dana was living at the Park Circle residence and that Joel was staying there at least part of the time.

When they went somewhere together, Dana drove his Mercedes or one of the family vehicles.

Places they went included banks,

you know, the office, Western Piper,

a property that was part of the estate that they had.

Dana also went to some of these places alone.

At times, he employed counter-surveillance driving techniques, they said.

Dana thinks he's being watched this whole time, by the way.

They said that Dana and Joel were also observed separately going to corporate air for helicopter lessons.

What?

Yes.

Now, Joel has no known source of income.

His parents don't do shit.

Prior to his graduation, his mother bought him a car for graduation.

And then in December 91, following his graduation, he moved back to the West Hills area and sporadically resided in the family home.

And Joel's mother paid him for doing construction-type projects around the house and also deposited small amounts of money into his checking account for food and similar items.

Not enough for helicopter lessons.

No, no, no.

So, other than these amounts, she didn't provide him with money from December 1991 on, from graduation on.

She heard he was working piecemeal at places during that time, but didn't personally know if he had a job.

working temp work or construction jobs on and off.

To her knowledge, he had no other money available except for a trust fund over which she exercised control.

Other than for his car, she didn't provide any money for him out of the trust fund during the time that this is going on.

Friends and other family members didn't know him to have a job aside from the work he did from his mother either.

However, despite his lack of funds, Joel was interested in finance while in college and frequently talked about being a millionaire.

During the summer of 91, he had books sent to the home of college acquaintance Thomas Duong.

Some of the books, which were from Paladin Press, concerned building building silencers and similar subjects.

Joel asked this friend of his if he knew anyone who had a gun for sale.

Joel said he wanted something along the lines of an AK-47, but he didn't want to go to a gun shop.

You know, I want a street gun.

I'd like a street gun, please.

They do in Arizona.

Hey, Jesus.

You can go to any pawn shop in Phoenix and get an AK.

You think so?

I mean, ARs are more popular, but they have AKs.

Yeah.

AKs, that's just a dumbass.

The one on Indian School says AK-47s right in the fucking window.

There's a sign there.

I don't think they make that gun anymore.

No, no, but they'll advertise it.

It's a bad gun.

So he said he didn't want to go to a gun shop.

Not long after, in October or November 91, Dana began dating Monica Zent, who lived in the same dorm, and he had become friends with her in the fall quarter of 1990.

And it was common knowledge within the dorm that Monica's father's an FBI agent.

Okay.

So Joel and Dana are having a ball.

They're Menendezzing, let's call it.

Let's give it a verb here.

They're Menendez.

They're not brothers, but they're certainly Menendez.

They're still doing it.

They're making cash purchases for items such as helicopter flight lessons and communicating via a complex system of pagers and pay phones and all this other type of shit.

They're buying like jewelry and going out and partying and they're having a full-on Menendez.

That's exactly what they're doing.

And this is like two years after Menendez.

Really?

That was 89 Menendez happened.

So three years later, like like you'd think they'd be going, hey, let's not look too Menendez here.

You know what I mean?

I don't want to be the Lyle.

They really shit their own bed, guy.

Yeah.

Let's not shit our bed.

So November 1st, 1992, newspapers are talking about the case.

The Fresno B has a big headline, detectives still digging in the Yule slayings case.

And then the subheadline is the lawyer for Dana Yule, son of the murdered couple, says he is being defamed by investigators because they continue to question his associates.

They're always talking to everybody he's ever met.

So they said that, you know,

his attorney is pissed off.

His attorney said that his client's been devastated by the innuendo that's been going on.

In a written response to inquiries from the Bee, the newspaper here, the lawyer accused investigators of repeatedly defaming Dana Ewell and his reputation by leaving the impression with his friends, business associates, and in his college community that he's a suspect in this horrible crime.

Dana feels feels that he's being scapegoated because the investigators have completely been ineffective in finding and prosecuting those responsible.

And if, in fact, the sheriff's office is not intending to spread these rumors, then they should make it clear on the record that Dana is not a suspect.

The sheriff here said that he's not a formal suspect, but he hasn't been ruled out either.

They said we know that he wasn't in Fresno when it happened, so that's part of it.

But they said, we're looking at everybody, including family members.

It's a very complex case.

Yeah.

And that's that.

And then the guy who,

the lawyer, Michael Dowling, who is administering the trust, he's the trustee, he said that Dana has not been ruled out as a suspect, but that they really don't have anything on him, quote unquote, which

makes him sound like he's in the mafia again.

Like, it ain't got nothing on him.

It'll never stick.

But it's also really tipping your hand.

I don't know if they're real.

They may be lying to to us.

They do that a lot.

They do that a lot.

They're known for that.

So in a letter to the police last week, the lawyer said, Dana Ewell adamantly denies any participation in this heinous crime.

He's cooperated with you in spite of the fact that he considers your investigation and innuendos to be unprofessional and offensive.

Offensive.

If you intend to prosecute Dana Ewell, there are legal procedures.

If you intend to

just harm him by rumor and innuendo, please be advised that he is prepared to seek every legal remedy for your actions.

Please be advised, my retainer is paid and this motherfucker will use me.

So around that time, that's when these articles are appearing and it's kind of popping back, you know, into the public consciousness here.

At the time this article appeared, housekeepers noted that Joel was staying at the the murder house with Dana.

It appeared that Joel was staying in the master bedroom while Dana occupies his old room, like his childhood room.

They also said there was a pistol on one of the nightstands in Dana's room and another handgun on a nightstand in the master bedroom.

They said that Joel's hair was a dark color at this time and that he kept it fairly short.

Housekeepers found empty hair dye bottles, latex gloves, and hair trimmings in the master bedroom and what appeared to be paper ashes in a pot on the stove in the kitchen.

They also observed Joel and Ewell looking at a map.

He writes this, this is Dana.

On April 19th, 1992, four wonderful lives ended in tragedy.

This is to a newspaper.

He wrote this.

My father, my mother, and my sister were brutally murdered.

My world was shattered, and my life was changed forever.

The reality of a loss like this can hardly be imagined, even after this length of time.

And he told all of his friends that the Sheriff's Department was botching the investigation, and he dismissed the two lead detectives as mutton Jeff.

And he said they'll

cartoon care.

Yeah, it's got a couple of dogs, like sloppy dogs who didn't do anything right and fucked up all the time.

He said they'll never catch the people who killed my family.

Never.

But they do have a reward.

Apparently, one of Dale's brothers put up $25,000 right away, and then a couple months later, not until October,

Dana finally adds another $25,000 to it.

Oh, boy.

Now, during this time,

they are, like I said, taking helicopter lessons from Matzi Flying Service.

Dana paid for both he and Joel's lessons with checks totaling $16,377.94.

In addition, the flight school received cash payments from Joel totaling $3,400.

Joel expressed an interest in pursuing his instrument rating and possibly his commercial rating.

The minimum cost to obtain both would have exceeded $20,000.

Although Joel started started on the second part of his training, his last flight with this company was on November 8th, 1992.

He subsequently informed the company that he was going to the Los Angeles area and asked for a refund on the balance of his account.

Remember when the maids came back, he wasn't there.

He was down in L.A.

A check which was made payable to Joel was

sent to the murder house.

It was endorsed by Joel and Dana and deposited in one of Dana's bank accounts.

Payments made to the helicopter place on Joel's account totaled $11,489.61.

Dana also buys a $100,000 airplane.

Oh.

A Piper four-seater and put fucking 50,000 miles on it, just flying all around.

Wow.

At least the Menendez didn't fucking buy a plane.

They bought watches and clothes and a fucking Jeep.

They didn't buy a plane.

That is like

ostentatious.

50,000 miles.

Yeah.

A plane is like the pinnacle of wealth is I have my own plane.

You know what I mean?

So November 20th, 1992, while all this is going on, those newspaper articles are just coming out.

He's calling a mutton Jeff in the newspaper.

Dana comes into the police department to get a handgun that had been removed from the house.

Oh.

Yeah, he wants it back.

During the course of the conversation, detectives said they were concerned about Joel and wanted to talk to Dana about him.

Like, we've seen some weird stuff with your buddy Joel.

Dana responded, quote, I'm out of here.

I got what I want, and left.

I I just want the weapons.

They said he jumped up from his chair, goes to take off.

When the detective told Dana they needed his cooperation, he said, I have been, and then he left.

Fuck off.

Not interested.

I've given you all the information.

You guys are do your fucking job.

Do your job.

November 25th, 1992, letter to the editor of the Fresno Bee, written by none other than John Zent, FBI agent and Dana's girlfriend's father.

He says, letting suspicion linger on Dana Ewell is cruel.

That's the headline.

In response to your article concerning Dana Ewell, November 1st, Detective Still Digging in the Slayings case that we talked about, my family believes that both the Fresno Bee and the Sheriff's Office have, without validity, tried to link Dana with the death of his family.

It's well known to the Sheriff's Office that Dana was with our daughter having dinner in our Morgan Hill home when the crimes occurred.

Evidence, along with witness statements, including my own, fully support Dana's whereabouts.

The concept that Dana hired someone to do this crime is really grasping for straws.

Perhaps it isn't apparent, but Dana is a victim.

He has lost, in one crime, all of his immediate family.

Oh no.

During the Easter weekend on Saturday with my family, I spent a long, enjoyable dinner with Dale, Glee, Tiffany, and Dana at their beach home.

The Euls took great pride in Dana's accomplishments at Santa Clara University and his relationship with our daughter, Monica, also an SCU student.

We stayed late into the evening, taking a walk on the beach, two families enjoying their children's happiness.

Dana's love for his family, his respect for his parents, was mirrored in their love for him, that pride parents have in realizing their kids are doing well.

I've been in federal law enforcement working complex criminal investigations for over 21 years.

In my opinion, there's been a number of improper procedures coupled with a lack of professionalism and objectivity within this case.

On that Tuesday, April 21st, when Dana's family was found, earlier in the morning, I had called the sheriff's sheriff's office to request they check the family residence after Dana had received a guarded response from a neighbor he had called for that same purpose.

Realizing there might be a problem at Fresno,

I, not the sheriff's office, had Dana and Monica flown

with me to Fresno.

For that week or more, we stayed with Dana while he, along with surviving relatives, made arrangements for his family's funeral.

During that week, Dana

made time and was available frequently to the sheriff's office to answer questions and provide any assistance requested by them.

Some have taken note that Dana has a nice car and clothes and goes to an expensive college.

Having spoken with Dale and Glee, I know they were very happily providing the best for both Dale and Tiffany.

The fact that the Eules had significant financial resources simply made it easier for them to give the best to their children.

That is an action any parent would do if money wasn't the issue.

Without question, Dana has suffered great loss, compounded by those who would link him to this crime without any factual basis.

Eventually, someone will be caught who will explain the events surrounding this sad crime, usually after getting off the hook for some other crime.

Until then, idle speculation or unfounded implications should be avoided by all.

Put yourself in Dana's shoes.

He would gladly forego all the money to simply be with his family again.

I don't know about that.

Our family supports and

loves Dana as part of our own.

Before this crime and since, he has been a very welcome guest in our house.

The harm that has been done to him within Fresno and Santa Clara University will pass, but none of it has been beneficial to solving this crime.

The challenge is to resolve every aspect of the crime and identify the perpetrator, not to simply take aim at Dana in light of one's own limitations or inabilities.

Just because you're not smart enough to figure it out, don't just say it's the sun.

This is so ballsy of an FBI agent.

Right?

That's November 25th, December 10th, 1992, in the same Fresno B newspaper.

Dana has an ad going in the classified sections.

Fur coats.

Gorgeous

Normarts,

Beige Opossum, $400.

Ranch Mink, $450.

Mahogany, $1,000.

White fur, $500.

Then leaves a phone number.

Ask for Dana Yule.

He's selling his mom's

fur coats with a fucking classified ad with his name in it.

Oh, boy.

If I found that now, it was probably real easy to find 30-something years ago.

Unloading this bitch's shit.

Wow.

So Dana goes back to college in spring of 93, or he graduates in June of 93.

While this is happening, though, narcotics agents and other deputies are pulled off their regular assignments to follow Ewell and Joel all around the Bay Area in Southern California.

The department invites FBI behavioral experts to study the crime as well.

So they keep them under close surveillance for several months.

In one instance, a detective wore a recording device and stood as

close to Joel at a pay phone in May of 1993, overhearing him make comments such as, quote, they don't have evidence and they will try to catch you in a lie.

Saying shit like that.

They don't know the context of it, but we can assume.

So they conducted extensive surveillance and investigation of the pair over the course of this next year.

And here's a condensed version of that here.

During the course of the surveillance, officers learned that Joel frequently used pay telephones, especially those at the 7-Eleven at the intersection of Satakoi and Fall Brook and Canoga Park.

While not far from his mother's residence, these were not the pay phones closest to the house.

So he's doing like the fucking wire when the low-rises were tapped.

Like, don't go to these payphones.

You go three blocks over.

He said, on occasion, by surveilling, occasion, surveilling officers pretended to use the telephone next to the one being used by Joel in an attempt to overhear his conversations.

On at least one occasion, Joel's actions were consistent with his calling a pager.

He just typed a number and then typed another one.

So commencing April 1st, 93, sheriff's detectives obtained telephone records in conjunction with their surveillance operation.

On April 1st, during which time Dana was living in a dormitory at Santa Clara, Joel used one of the telephones at the Saticoy and Fall Brook 7-Eleven to make a brief call to Dana's dorm number.

Several minutes later, he made a call to the pay telephone at a shell station at the Alameda,

on Alameda in Santa Clara.

Approximately midway through Joel's conversation, which lasted around 30 minutes, the sheriff's sergeant went to the pay telephone next to the one he was using and attempted to overhear the conversation.

Joel expressed concern about staying there too long as, quote, all they had to do was drive by and that they might see him.

He also asked whether the person to whom he was speaking was getting any heat yet.

Later in the conversation, Joel said, quote, get this lawyer down here so it doesn't look like the buddy-buddy system or something.

I didn't tell them anything.

Can't you find anyone cheaper in Los Angeles, Fresno, or San Francisco?

Portions of the conversation concerned flying.

And at one point, Joel mentioned a commercial license and asked the other person whether he or she wanted him to get his fixed wing while he still had the time.

He's talking to Dana.

Later that day, Joel returned to the same telephone, appeared to dial a pager number, then waited in his car.

Telephone company records showed a call to Ewell's dormitory room.

About 10 minutes later, Joel returned to the phone and placed a call to the Shell station near Santa Clara as well.

So, see, he calls him, he pages him back with the payphone he went to, then they talk payphone to pay phone.

This is more than they did in the wire.

Yeah.

This is real.

If they did this, they wouldn't have been able to catch him.

Right.

If they did this, the whole wire would have been, these fucking guys are good.

It would have just been Freeman sitting down in the basement going, I don't know shit, I got all these computers set up.

I don't see nothing.

I don't know what's happening.

I'm just going to make some more tiny chairs.

Fuck it.

I got a little armoire to make now.

Let's do it.

On April 5th, Joel telephoned the office of Fresno attorney E.

Terrence Wolf.

Now, Joel was over here to say that he was a referral from Mr.

Berman and needed to see Mr.

Wolf about a homicide.

So he's definitely talking about the murders here.

On or about April 8th, Joel personally paid Wolf $3,000 for attorney services.

I don't know where he's getting that.

Wolf said he didn't know where Joel got the money, and Joel's parents did not pay that money.

We do know that because the police asked them about it, and they said we did not provide that money for them, for him.

Now, more suspicious stuff.

Lots of shit going on here.

Forensic analysis found the murder weapon was a high-end 9-millimeter specialty rifle manufactured by Feather Industries in Trinidad, Colorado.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's one thing.

So they figure out who made the murder weapon based on the bullets.

A place in Trinidad, huh?

A place in Trinidad, Colorado, man.

I don't even know they had gun manufacturers in the middle of nowhere in Colorado.

Where's Trinidad?

Trinidad, it's on the, it's between, it's, it's southern Colorado.

It's between

the shit section of Colorado.

The flatlands.

It's between Pueblo and the Springs, I believe.

Whenever we play Denver, the people that live there, they go, we drove like four four hours.

Jesus, it's awful down there.

And they'll tell us how terrible it is to live there.

We're like, Jesus, I'm sorry.

They're like the wind.

It just never stops, man.

It's always 75 miles an hour.

I'm like, God, that sounds terrible.

So Dane is mad at the cops again.

He issues a statement accusing the media of compounding his grief.

Here, too, he's all this shit.

He says that the media is spreading gossip and it's unsupported by fact, all this type of shit.

In June of this year, the captain, the sheriff's captain, says in a letter to the Ewell family's probate lawyer, it's the position of our department that Dana Ewell is to be considered a prime suspect in the investigation.

And Ewell's lawyer said, well, you didn't give any facts, so I'm not going to freeze anything or do anything that you want me to do based on we think this.

Enter, or if you want proof, enter Ernest Jack Ponce.

He is 24 years old, and Joel and Ponce didn't page each other often.

And the reason why they figured out who Ernest Ponce was is because of pages with Joel

around there.

So company records here, by the way, for the company in Trinidad, Colorado, showed that one rifle, a 9mm, the exact model that they were looking for, had been purchased by Ernest Jack Ponce, a friend of Joel's family, right before the murders.

9mm rifle.

That particular rifle was purchased by a friend of Joel's family.

Now, Ponce admitted, first he said he bought it for his own self.

I bought it for me for my birthday.

And they were like, okay.

Then he said, okay, fine, I did buy it for Joel, but I didn't think it was going to be used for a crime.

That's fucking crazy.

And he also concealed any of this, even when he knew about it later on.

So we'll talk about that.

Now they have a clone pager.

So this is the wire.

Now it's turned into.

November cloned one.

They said in November of 92, Joel obtained obtained a pager with statewide coverage from communication headquarters in Los Angeles.

In April 1993, the detectives served a search warrant on the company to duplicate a clone pager so they could do that.

On April 21st, they intercepted a page from Joel to the San Jose Jet Center, which was not far from Santa Clara University.

Telephone company records for April 22nd show calls made from pay telephones at the ranch market at the intersection of Mesa and Irvine in Costa Mesa to Dana's dorm room.

April 27th, records for those telephones show calls to a telephone booth at the San Jose Jet Center.

So this, they're just

crazy intricate.

Dude, this is death.

This is the picture of fucking Charlie Day with all the strings on the wall of the cigarette.

That's exactly what this is.

That's fascinating.

Yeah.

The amount of work to put this all together in affidavit form of here's a story to tell would be just as hard as putting this together in a podcast form to put a fucking story together because this was a bitch of a beast to do, dude.

So

they said that he didn't utilize the clone pager between April 21st and April 27th because Joel returned to the communication headquarters and expressed concern that someone else might be receiving his pages.

So he knows that it's being cloned somehow.

He inquired whether any police had been asking about him and he was told no.

Joel subsequently requested that the name on his account be changed to Mike Smith and that he be given a new pager number.

This was done, and after the guy got a new search warrant and a new pager number and did all that, they did the same shit again.

What the fuck?

They talked to Dana again.

This is May 12, 1993.

So over a year later, detectives go to Santa Clara University to confirm Dana's class schedule and to see if he attended classes that day.

At about 1.45 that afternoon, Dana spotted detectives that he recognized and proceeded to follow them around campus in a very brazen manner, they say.

Just follow them.

Oh, you're looking for me?

You're looking for shit for me?

About shortly after 2:30 that afternoon, the detective intercepted a page to Joel from a pay telephone at the San Jose Jet Center, and he asked detectives in the area to check on the location.

At some point that afternoon, Dana was observed using a telephone inside the San Jose Jet Center.

So,

8:05 that evening, the two detectives, accompanied by public safety campus officers, went to Dana's dorm room to speak to him.

They knock.

A voice asked who it is.

They said it's police.

Dana opened the door and there's Monica Zenta sitting on the bed as well.

So it's him and Monica in the room.

They told Dana that they had information on who might have killed his parents.

You're not going to like it, though, because you.

No.

Dana said he didn't want to talk to them.

I don't want to talk to you.

The information on your parents' killers.

I want to talk about it.

I don't want to talk about it.

Oh, okay.

When they said again they had information, he responded that he felt it was not the right time to be bothering him in regard to this incident.

Huh?

When would be a more convenient time for you to talk about murder?

After further conversation, the one cop asked whether Dana was interested in finding out who killed his parents.

Dana said yes, but that he needed to make some phone calls first.

At a later time.

Later.

They asked, well, who are you going to call?

He replied that he's going to call his attorney oh so they haven't seen ghostbusters yet it all set up man all set up it was a wrong time so they reiterated dana reiterated that he did not wish to speak to the detectives there at the dorm room he then asked um the detective where uh whether he had enjoyed the campus and when they said yes dana said he made a report at the police department against the detectives for following him around

When the detective told Dana to call when he was ready to hear the information, Dana repeated that it was not the appropriate time or place and asked how they would like it if somebody came banging on their door at 11 o'clock at night.

The cop pointed out, it's 8 o'clock at night.

It's 8 o'clock.

It's a college dorm.

Not a lot of people sleeping in a college dorm at 8 o'clock at night.

You know what I'm saying?

The parties haven't even started yet, man.

It's still light outside, kind of.

This is crazy.

So they said it's 8 o'clock, and they noted they did this kind of thing all the time, and that people generally are welcoming of information about who killed their entire family.

You know, that's normal.

So Dana said that he turned his attention back to the campus police officers and said he did not want to talk to the other cops, but he would talk to the campus police officers.

Okay.

You seem insignificant.

You seem like you have no power to do anything, judging by the lack of weapon and handcuffs.

It feels like you probably can't even make arrests.

No.

So he starts to shut the door, Dana does, at which time the detective said, by the way, just so you know, the information we have leads us to believe that Joel Radovich

is responsible for killing your family.

They said Dana immediately became quiet and appeared stunned.

They said he then seemed to collect himself and that he still felt it was not appropriate to be discussing at this particular time of the evening.

I don't discuss murder past, what, 4, 4.30.

It's a day thing.

Where it's a business hour.

Night it's a banker's hour situation.

I'm actually scared.

I don't even like watching Dayline.

9 to 6.

That's it.

I record it and I watch it in the morning when the sun's up.

When it's bright, when I hear birds chirping.

He then shut the door in the middle of the statement, pretty much.

About 15 minutes later, the cops watched Dana and Monica Zent exit the building and enter his Mercedes.

He drove to the public safety office and went inside for a few minutes.

Then got back in his car and left the area.

A few minutes later, the Mercedes was observed entering the 880 freeway

from Alameda.

The detective followed Dana into the far left lane.

As they neared the first exit, Dana suddenly pulled across the other two lanes of traffic and took the exit.

So the cops couldn't follow because it wasn't safe so at about 9 p.m uh the cops intercept a page to joel that originated from the business complex at 1520 alameda um detective osborne responded to the location and observed dana hanging up the receiver on the payphone not good not good at all his vehicle was parked alongside with the lights on monica zent seated in the passenger seat of the vehicle when dana hung up he went directly to the car exited the lot and ultimately was seen driving northbound two days later may 14th the the detective intercepts a page which originated from the airport holiday inn in Fresno.

Joel was found at a pay telephone in Costa Mesa.

Telephone company records show a 45-minute call to the Fresno Airport Holiday Inn.

Detective Knight, who was wearing a transmitting device, wearing a wire, basically, approached Joel's location and was able to place herself at the telephone around the corner from him, but within three feet of, so right there.

Joel, who was already on the phone when the surveillance team arrived there, Knight was only able to hear a small patch of the conversation of his side due to the telephone being located under an airport's jet takeoff flight path.

Oh, my.

So the tape recordings didn't turn out well, and he couldn't really hear very much.

They said that they were able to hear portions of the conversation, which with Joel was involved.

She was unable to take notes while she was listening, but it was possible she took sentences and attributed them to the wrong telephone calls.

As best she could recreate the conversations, she thinks that Joel said he was a little worried and was going to diss this place.

Okay.

Diss is what she said.

I don't know.

During the first conversation, the discussion turned to money.

She heard words stock market values as well as the sums 25 million and 1 million.

So that's the first conversation she overhears there.

He's just got a fucking pocket full of quarters over here, pumping them into a payphone.

During the second conversation, she heard Joel say, quote, don't worry about it.

She doesn't know anything.

She's about to burst.

She can't say anything.

She won't.

Then said, I miss you.

They think they got something, you know, evidence.

They need to make an arrest.

Politically, they need it.

Just play the game.

I think it's going well.

I advise you not to talk to him.

They blew it.

They blew it at the first.

Then said, we have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

And they heard him, you know, it was a long call.

He kept putting money in.

During a third conversation, he appeared to be pleading with the other person, saying, they can't tap your phone.

It's against the law in this country.

If you love me, you won't say anything.

That's not good.

He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

No, if they have reason to, then the Lawrence, they can.

They won't, if you love me, you won't say anything.

They spread lies.

They hope to trip you up.

They try to catch you in a lie.

If you talk to them, they'll mix you up and twist your words.

Go have breakfast with Pete.

I love you.

And then he hung up the phone.

So that is fucking interesting.

So they heard some of it on a recording here as well.

One person said they'll try, or one recording they got on there was all of that.

And they also recorded

they might try to plant evidence.

They plant marijuana.

Like they'll plant weed on you.

Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

You just don't think you'll win the game.

If you care about me, I advise you not to talk to them.

They're going to lock you up.

I can't be around you.

Also, my life is fucked.

You need to keep on repeating it.

They will play on your fear.

And I love you too.

My life is fucked.

Oh, man.

That's fucking funny.

Then another time that he's on the phone with Dana, they hear Joel say, okay, Dana, okay.

After I call, okay, tell her to call me, and I'll talk to her, right?

Okay, okay, I'll do that.

So I call her back, right?

They heard him saying that.

Then they heard him say, would be a mistake.

So I called her parents and told them what kind of deep shit she's getting getting into.

And her mom called, which was this morning.

I called her.

Then I called my wolf guy.

That's the lawyer.

Joel expressed concern that either the telephones were being tapped or there were snitches

and suggested someone is running around

listening to us or something.

Not bad.

I'm telling you, they have a lot of senses for this anyway.

From June 30.

He's doing terrific with.

He's like, they're listening listening to me.

Let me say terrible shit.

Yeah, that's what's done with the back door stuff.

He just doesn't realize that they've caught on.

Yeah.

Well, it's weird to say, I think they're listening and then say incriminating shit.

That's really a weird response to that.

So you'd say, I think they're don't say anything about the thing.

You know what I mean?

Like, fuck.

So on the afternoon of June 3rd, Joel received a page bearing Ponce's pager number

and numeric code.

He also received a page with a numeric code from a a pay telephone from San Jose Jet Center.

10 minutes later, Dana was seen conversing on the phone.

A detective tried to overhear the conversation.

During one of these, Joel asked, then why don't you, then why don't they just pick us up?

I call him like I just called him.

Now I got to talk to my guy and see if they can actually

charge me with something in that

three-shirt deal.

I don't know how three-shirt.

Now it's a three murders, triple homicide, three shirt deal.

I don't know how far that goes.

Yeah, yeah, no problem, right.

And then he also said that he wanted us to be extra careful and that we just got to hang tough.

About three shirts.

About the three shirts.

That's like saying, how are you going to bring over the ounce of pencils that I asked for?

What time will you be here with my ounce of pencils?

Don't forget that QP Egatorade.

Don't forget that.

I need that.

I need an ounce ounce of jeans.

So can you bring that to me?

I actually, I will never forget that because I remember a kid actually saying that on the phone when I was a teenager.

He said, I need an ounce of jeans.

And I was like, just fucking say weed.

They get it.

It's an ounce.

If no one's listening, we're teenagers.

What are you doing?

Even if they are.

You're not fooling them.

Yeah.

And jeans almost rhymes with weed, too.

So it's like, I was like, this is the worst fucking,

the worst fucking code I've ever heard in my life.

So June, or November 15th, 1993, Dana and Joel enroll with Aquasports and Fresno for scuba diving lessons.

They both gave the murder houses their address.

They selected the same classes, took their classes and pool sessions at the same times and performed their open water dives and received their certifications on the same date.

Isn't that cute?

So how much money have they spent here?

Well, gotta know.

I mean, thousands.

Between April 1992 and March 1995, Dana withdrew a total of, and this is just in cash, okay?

Withdrew a total of $124,153 in unaccounted-for cash from various accounts.

Cash.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This was cash which could not be traced to specific expenditures or transactions.

One bank record revealed that most of Yule's withdrawals from the bank were in $100 bills with secondarily $50 bills.

Other bank records didn't provide that information of denominations.

Between January 93 and February 1995, Joel took airplane and additional helicopter lessons from various flight schools in Los Angeles.

The cost of the lessons exceeded $21,000 and may have exceeded $33,000.

Joel always paid cash in $100 bills, by the way.

Interesting.

It would have cost a minimum of $43,000 for him to obtain all of the flight certifications that he ended up with.

So someone paid 43 grand in cash for him, and I think we know who that is.

March 16th, 1994, Joel is seen inside Dana's airplane hangar.

That's right before they sold the joint there.

March 16th, 94, Dana and Joel both exited Dana's plane when it landed at the Fresno airport.

Now, during all this, extensive investigation of the physical evidence is taking place, too.

Unusual scratches on the bearing surfaces of the six bullets recovered from the crime crime scene and autopsies led them, and especially this Alan

Boudreau, a firearms expert, to determine all six bullets were fired by the same weapon, that the weapon had

a ported barrel, which holes are been drilled in it, and that a homemade silencer was used.

That's what caused the scratching.

He also determined the weapon was not a revolver or the Browning that was missing from the Park Circle Drive residence.

Further investigation led him to find the AT-9 manufactured by Feather Industries with a barrel made by Green Mountain Barrels, which we talked about before.

That's the February 18, 94.

Ponce admitted to detectives that he had purchased an AT-9.

He first, like we said, said he bought it for himself for his birthday and that Joel had never even seen it and that the gun had been stolen from him.

Okay.

In a subsequent interview, though, he continued to lie and denied that it was his gun, which was used in the homicides, even when they said they believe you have given or loaned the gun to a man

but had nothing to do with the killings.

We think that's what happened.

Someone asked to borrow your gun.

You lent it to them.

You didn't know that it was going to be used for killings.

And he kept to a story of not knowing anything because he had heard of a case in which the person who supplied the gun received a long prison term.

So he wouldn't say shit.

Now, March 2nd, 1995.

Here we go.

Dana, Joel, and Ernest are all arrested.

Uh-oh.

Ponce there, too.

Ponce was, I believe it's Ponce, that was quickly arrested while working at a TGI Fridays near his San Bernardino home.

Joel was arrested.

He's fucking, he is slinging fucking Jack Daniels chicken.

And Joel is arrested at a Taco Bell in L.A.

Jesus, man.

Bitch and wrong fucking diet for these two.

That's what I mean.

It's terrible.

I mean, they are 24 or some shit, but still.

The deputies wanted to arrest Dana by nightfall, but he was gone and they didn't know where he was.

So they put an APB out on him.

He ends up surrendering at the Long Beach Police Department, all the way down in Long Beach.

His lawyer said he surrendered as soon as he knew he was wanted.

By the way, Ponce will help detectives find the gun barrel that they're looking for as well.

Yeah.

They also arrest Joel's brother Peter, who's 26 years old.

They arrest him, too.

Yeah.

Not great here.

So there are a lot of people arrested here.

Dana.

What did Peter do?

They think we'll talk about it.

They think he was involved and was

helping out with this whole thing.

They said Dana

in his court appearance was wearing handcuffs and a maroon jail-issue jumpsuit when he appeared.

The detective Chris Curtis, one of the guys who had been following him around for everything, showed up in court to look at him and he said, I just wanted to see if he'd have a polo pony on his jumpsuit.

So during a March 2nd, 1995 search of the home of Joel's mother, a container of drill bits was seized from the garage.

In the drill bit index, as I hear,

Boudreaux found particulate matter, which included larger white particles, drill turnings, and small pieces of what appeared to be steel wool.

He also found a lot of particulate matter on the clothes Glee was wearing when she was killed, including small metallic particles, particles of what appeared to be a dark rubbery-type substance, and a fluorescent yellow fibers, which were consistent with the nap on tennis balls.

Huh.

Boudreaux obtained an AT9 and various...

Yep, you got it.

I was waiting for it to click in.

Fuck.

Yeah, making homemade silencers out of tennis balls.

Drilling out tennis balls and putting it on the front of his gun.

Yeah, with steel wool inside of it, basically.

Making a tennis ball, Brillo pad.

You can make either a silencer or a great meth pipe with that.

One of the two.

It's the only thing you're using.

Yep.

So Boudreaux obtained in 1889 various barrels also, constructed a silencer out of PVC pipe, tennis balls, and steel wool, as shown in a book on how to make silencers, because they figured that'd be the only way they'd know how.

This is pre-internet.

Yeah.

So, and used the porting configuration contained in a barrel whose location was revealed by Jack Ponce and conducted test firing.

So drilled the holes the same way.

He concluded that the tennis ball particles, such as those found on Glee's clothing and in the piece of the carpet which had been under Glee's body, which would have been ejected had a bullet been fired through a sound suppressor made with tennis balls, and that steel wool particles, again,

such as those found in Glee's clothing, would have also been ejected from a homemade sound suppressor.

Boudreaux also determined that the piece of carpet contained particles of chrome molybdenum,

molebdenum steel,

like or of like composition to drilled metal specimens from green mountain barrels.

So matching it all up.

They cleaned the recovered

same metal.

Boudreaux cleaned the recovered barrel, which was packed with dirt

because

when he, oh my god, when they hid the fucking barrel, this is what's so ridiculous.

When they hid the barrel, they tried to just drive it into the ground.

Yeah.

But the guy was driving it in and realized he didn't, he was touching it and it was

like in the fucking ground more.

So he just stomped it into it more to get it like way into the ground.

So that's how they that's where they found it.

So, it's packed with fucking

dirt.

They said, In the course of cleaning the barrel, Boudreau discovered steel wool fibers inside.

The movement of gases, which

occurs when a weapon is fired, would move steel wool in a sound suppressor from the outside of the barrel to the inside.

Boudreaux conducted test firings with the barrel and concluded all six crime scene bullets were fired through it.

They're fucked.

Now, Joel's brother Peter was arrested for three counts of murder.

Same thing as Ponce.

Everyone was arrested for triple murder.

Now, Peter became friends with Jack Ponce when both were in high school.

They remained friends following Peter's 1989 marriage to Danielle, another woman.

Peter, who was employed by Sketchly Mason as a plumber and had a workshop set up in his garage, occasionally accompanied Ponce to a shooting range called the Firing Lane.

Ponce was a good shot.

Joel, who knew Ponce, did not accompany them, nor did Peter

allow him to go to the ranges with them.

So Peter and Ponce would either rent weapons at the range or use a weapon belonging to Ponce.

Ponce had a llama semi-automatic pistol, which belonged to his stepfather, and the gun tended to jam.

At some point, possibly the summer of 91, Peter unsuccessfully attempted to solder a barrel extension that Radovich, that Joel gave him, onto a.22-caliber firearm, which belonged to Ponce, but was in Joel's possession.

Following Joel's graduation from college, he had Peter braze an extension tube, which Joel provided onto the end of a barrel of Ponce's llama.

Okay, so he does barrel work and does shit like this is what they're trying to get at.

Peter understood the work was being done in order to build a silencer.

Peter performed the work inside his parents' garage and later heard a weapon being fired inside, although he did not see a finished silencer.

He did not see the llama again until after the homicides.

Sometime after Easter Sunday, though, a panicked Joel unexpectedly came to the apartment one night and told Peter that he had gotten a code Peter, gotten a code Peter assumed meant on his pager and needed to get out of town.

He said Peter might see his face on America's Most Wanted.

Oh, that's not a good thing to say.

Oh.

When Peter refused to help him, Joel left and Peter didn't see him again for two weeks.

In Peter's garage was a large box of Joel,

a large box in which Joel stored a variety of shit.

At some point, Peter saw a backpack in there that has not been present since.

Sometime after dark on April 22nd, 1992, day after the bodies were found, Peter was in his garage when either Ponce or Joel handed him the backpack, a cardboard box which contained a Soldier of Fortune magazine.

Why is it always Soldier of Fortune in this show?

How many times has that fucking magazine come up in this show?

That magazine's responsible for more murders than any other magazine.

Other Other than those detective magazines that all the BTKs and people got horny about in the 50s and 60s did Monday anyway.

I would say these are worse because there's only a couple serial killers that read those shits, and a lot of them read them afterwards.

These fuckers all read this.

That is wild.

As well as five to ten paperback books with pictures of guns on the covers and a pair of gray Nike tennis shoes, Peter was told to dispose of the items.

He took them to his shop at Sketchly Mason, where he was joined by Ponce.

Joel was not there.

At the shop, Peter looked inside the backpack and discovered gun parts.

He believed that three guns, all of which were in pieces, were in the backpack.

One was the llama, which still had the extension welded onto it.

Peter broke it off.

Also in the backpack was the barrel onto which Peter had welded the washer.

The washer was off and the barrel was full of holes.

The barrel and the stock, which was also in the backpack, were consistent with a photograph of an AT9, which they showed later on.

The other weapon in the backpack was a semi-automatic pistol of some sort.

It also had holes in it.

None of the weapons was a revolver and all holes, all had holes where the serial numbers used to be.

Also in the backpack were a lot of brass shell casings, tennis balls that were cut in half, and a cylindrical object with PVC caps at the end.

Uh-oh.

Peter believed this to be the silencer.

So Peter and Ponce were at the shop for about a half hour.

Ponce sprayed the bag's contents with WD-40 to take off fingerprints.

That'll eat the oils.

When they left, Peter drove and stopped at various locations, then remained in the vehicle while Ponce got out and threw things away.

At one point, Peter asked Ponce whether the gun, he did not specify which one,

was thrown away, and Ponce said no.

Ponce suggested their general route, which took them to a commercial district in the San Fernando Valley and all through a bunch of other shit here.

Eventually, all Ponce had in the backpack, which contained the, was the barrel, basically.

Peter was in a hurry to get home because his wife had been paging him and they Ponce said he would get rid of the barrel so they returned to Peter's residence Peter went to his apartment while Ponce left in his own vehicle and that's what happened there and then Ponce went and buried the shit in the ground so now Ernest Jack Ponce here Jack Ponce he's arrested also for three counts of murder he is going to get an immunity agreement though oh And yeah, they're going to let him have immunity as long as he testifies against these other two dipshits.

So

he, Ponce and Peter were friends.

They had fallen out of contact with each other after college, but then around 1990, they started hooking up again and hanging out.

And

they ended up at one point stealing two motorcycles together.

What?

Yeah.

And also they had helped each other steal car parts at one point, apparently.

Guys,

that sounds very Fresno.

Stop criming together.

Yeah, don't do that anymore.

You're done.

Don't murder with people you've done other crimes with also.

And then during the summer of 91 That's when Ponce learned that Joel was looking for a gun that didn't have that he didn't have to put his name on and then they were talking about silencers and all that kind of shit in March Joel and Ponce

They basically

got an AT9 Ponce needed money in order to purchase the

the sketchly mason van in which they intended to live he intended to live and agreed to buy the gun.

Joel said it did not say he want why why he wanted the gun or why he needed it immediately.

So sometime later, Ponce received.

It's not obvious, though.

It's a little bit.

At least after the murders.

Sometime later, Ponce received $1,500 and $100 bills, as we know what that's like from Joel.

On March 23rd, 1992, Ponce purchased the AT-9 from National Gun Sales and Receder for $437.

And at Joel's request, he later also purchased an extra clip and

some subsonic ammunition.

Joel paid Ponce $500 for making the purchases, and Ponce returned the rest of the cash to him.

Ponce picked up the weapon after the waiting period, and yeah, Ponce said that when Ponce turned over the gun, Joel told him to report it stolen after a while.

Ponce did so about six months later when his car was burglarized, and Joel criticized this as being too soon.

It's too shady.

It needed to be later.

In making his report to the police, Ponce named a friend's roommate as a suspect.

Oh?

Ponce next saw the 189 not too long after April 8th.

The gun, which was in the garage of Joel's residence, his family, residence anyway, his parents, now had a silencer on it that looked like a PVC pipe.

Ponce saw Joel fire the gun into a block of wood.

The silencer muffled the sound.

Ponce believed that Joel was going to sell the weapon, asked if Joel was going to make a lot of money off the gun, and he said, oh, yeah.

You bet.

Just in a different way.

At one point,

Joel told Ponce that the silencer was a series of baffles made out of cut-up tennis balls and later said he found that steel mesh worked better.

So, yeah, at some point, Ponce saw a shell catcher in the garage.

Oh, really?

Yeah, shell catcher, man.

Yeah, you just put that right on the top and it

catches your shells so you don't leave casings.

Joel said he had fired the weapon once and then spent a half hour finding the shell, so he constructed a shell catcher.

Oh, he made it.

It's homemade.

It's homemade.

A small plastic box that was glued on the outside of the slide to catch the shells when they were ejected.

Glued.

That's going to work.

Class, man.

Jesus Christ.

That is fucking funny, man.

So sometimes.

Imagine, oh, the fucking.

These guys are shitbags.

Imagine being murdered with something with glue all over it and some fucking tennis.

Glue and tennis balls and rollo pads.

Oh, you pieces of money.

What kind of a crackhead shot me?

Oh, you crackhead fuck.

Jesus Christ.

You fucking scumbag.

You people are pure scum.

Sometime after Easter, Ponce believed it was the night of April 12th or 21st, Tuesday, Ponce received a telephone call from Joel who said that something was wrong and that he needed to come over.

Ponce, who was staying at a girlfriend's condo,

let Joel come into the closed parking structure where Joel parked his car and then covered it.

He said he didn't want anyone to see it.

He appeared nervous and worried and was looking around and kept his hood up over his head, you know, so he doesn't look suspicious.

Joel kept frantically repeating that he did not know what had gone wrong.

He said he needed to get as far away as possible.

As Joel and Ponce entered the elevator and proceeded to the condominium, Ponce asked what was wrong, and Joel said it has to do with a triple homicide and me.

Okay, then.

Ponce told Joel not to tell him anymore.

I don't want to fucking fucking know anymore.

Yeah.

The two later went for a ride, and Joel was pondering places he might go.

Ponce suggested that if he didn't know what was going to happen, he could get a lawyer.

When Joel said no, he couldn't do that.

Ponce began to think that Joel might be more than just accidentally involved in whatever was going on.

With respect to the reason why it happened, Joel said something to the effect of it had to do with $8 million and that, quote, we're going to assume the throne.

Now, April 29th, 1992, a few weeks out, a couple of a week later, is when the Rodney King riots started, when the Los Angeles riots started and continued for several days.

During this time, Joel was using Ponce's van, and Joel and Ponce drove to the Malibu area, where there was, I assume, no rioting.

Yeah.

They, there, they sat down on the beach.

Joel had not officially heard what, if anything, had happened and was trying to figure out what had gone wrong with the murder, not with Rodney King.

We knew what went wrong there.

So that was pretty obvious.

Ponce invited him to explain what happened.

So he does.

He spills it now.

Joel says that he had shot three people with the AT9 and that it had been done to split $8 million as part of an inheritance.

Ponce already knew it was the Yule family, obviously, although Joel did not tell him the name at the time.

Joel said the shootings took place in Fresno and that he'd been to the home prior to the homicides.

He said he knew the family would be away at the time he arrived and that he knew roughly the time they would return.

He said he had previously removed all of his body hair.

Oh, wow, he did some shaving, huh?

Knowing he would be there a long time, long enough where he would have to use the bathroom and didn't want to leave.

He might drop a fucking pube on there.

Drop your taint fucking scratch on there.

Walking into a urinal.

There's dick hair all over it.

Yeah.

That's all there is everywhere, is dick hair.

Everywhere.

So Joel related that he drove his car to Fresno, but he didn't say how long, how he gained entry into the house.

He said there was a window leading into the garage that did not have an alarm on it, but he didn't say whether he used that window.

He said he arrived before the family did and got the AT9 into the house by loading it in his backpack.

Once inside, he took the gun out and assembled it.

He related that he brought some plastic sheets to lie in, although he did not say where he waited for the family.

So he wouldn't leave anything behind.

He said he had to sleep on the plastic and that he wore rubber latex gloves.

So he just camped out in the house waiting for these fucking people.

Jesus.

Joel described the Yule home as lush digs.

Said the mother and daughter arrived first.

He said the daughter walked by the laundry room where he was waiting and he shot her in the back of the head and she fell straight down.

He said the mother must not have heard it because she kept talking.

He said he went and shot her and that she was possibly the only person who saw him.

He said he had to shoot her multiple times and had to to put a new clip in after that.

He had to shoot her a bunch.

He also said that he put on a different pair of gloves for some reason.

He then waited for the father to come home.

He said he didn't wait to say how long he had to wait.

When the father came in the door, he said he waited until the door closed and the father walked past the room where he was located, just like the cops thought.

Joel then stepped out and shot him.

The father, who was in the hallway, was shot in the throat area and something came out of his eye.

That's what he said.

He was shot in the back of the neck and it came out.

He got a bullet, man.

Something.

I don't know what it was.

Joel said he heard a gurgling sound and that there was something oozing out of his eye, which is why he thought that he was probably dead.

He shot.

Wow, that's a terrible way to die.

That man bled to death.

He didn't even like, he was probably conscious.

That's fucked up.

That's real fucked up with a bullet probably severed his spinal cord and took out his eye.

That's fucking horrifying.

Jesus.

Joel told Ponce that after the shootings, he tried to check the victim's pulses by digging his gloved forefingers into the people's forearms to try to get a pulse.

Ponce told him that probably would not have worked very well and demonstrated how you do it on your wrist.

This guy didn't know how to check a pulse.

He was feeling around their forearms for it.

Just jamming it through

the finger into the titular?

I don't know.

It's so strange.

Joel, I don't know which one that is.

Joel,

I'm one of them.

Joel further related that he took a cover weapon and some money.

Ponce believed it was the $1,500 that Joel had at the hotel from the house.

Joel said he took a weapon because he had learned that a cover weapon is taken to throw people off concerning what gun was actually used.

That's why he stole the Browning.

Joel said that after the shootings, he disassembled the AT9 on a desk in an office and took off the gloves.

He said he thought he might have left one of the gloves as he was wearing multiple pairs, and that was the only thing he could think of that went wrong.

He said he put the disassembled weapon in the backpack.

He also related that the shell catcher had malfunctioned.

He said he had to wait a while so he could leave when it was dark outside.

He then told Ponce that he had committed the murders to split the inheritance, which he thought was $8 million.

Joel said he would have to wait approximately three years for the money.

Several times during the discussion, Ponce castigated Joel for using the gun that he had supplied.

He's like, I gave you that gun.

What the fuck are you doing?

And each time he apologized, Joel did.

And on the way home, Joel said, quote, if there's a God,

I'm fucked.

Yeah.

I would say so.

Sometime later, Ponce asked Joel what he would do or say if the police asked him his whereabouts on Easter Sunday.

And Joel responded that he might say he was at Hamrick's because it was 24 hours a day and it was hard to tell who was there at any given time.

That's why he said it.

That's it.

So they searched the apartment also here.

This is July 3rd, 1994.

Oh, this is what they were.

He was renting an apartment from July to March of 94 to 95.

You, Dana, rented an apartment at Broadcast Center Apartments in Los Angeles.

The gas account was in the name of Dan James, but payment was made by cashiers' checks, one of which bore the name of Dana Ewell as the purchaser.

So following Dana's arrest, a defense investigator moved property from the apartment to a mini storage unit in Fresno.

The pager belonging to Mike Johnson was subsequently retrieved from the mini storage unit.

A gun cleaning kit bearing Joel's fingerprint was also seized from the mini storage unit, as were two pistols.

A box that matched one of the weapons, which was purchased in 1993, was found during the March 1995 search of the murder house.

Also found in the mini storage was a Kenwood receiver, which was consistent with brochures found during the search of the residence as well.

March 6th, 1995, estate lawyers begin freezing Dana's assets.

Oh, fuck.

Yeah.

Today, this was the day he was supposed to get the first chunk of his money.

That's why they arrested him ahead of time.

It was supposed to be more than $1.5 million in cash and properties.

Instead, he's sitting in a fucking jumpsuit in a county jail.

A court hearing on the matter has been pushed aside by another, which is his arrangement for murder.

So the executor of the estate, though, planned to put more than $1.5 million in property and cash into the trust that day.

The trustee was to be John Heil, who they hired to oversee Western Piper sales here, which has been sold now.

They said he would have final say in which items and preliminary discretion.

They were going to give him $250,000 in cash plus the two farms in Merced County.

That's what they were going to give him that day.

Transfer from the estate to the trust would have given him influence over what would have been done with the assets.

So as it is, they said that preliminary distribution is postponed until further developments in court.

Yeah.

Dana has no cash as his problem now.

It's been more than three years, and it left him in control of

nearly $400,000 of his wealthy grandmother's trust fund.

He's had access to as well.

But the account was down to less than $2,000 when he was arrested.

Wow.

What?

Yeah, he was cash poor.

Spent like a fuck, dude.

He's

spending, spending, spending on everything.

He's got fixed wing and helicopter and fucking licenses.

Same thing the Menendez brothers did.

It was like winning the lottery to them.

They didn't have to work for that money.

And when you first get money, you got to set yourself up after you.

Well, you got to get a car and a place.

That's why it's so hard to get rich.

Yeah.

Then you spend it all.

Then you got to maintain that.

Then you got to maintain it.

But at least you have stuff at that point.

So that's a big deal.

They said, armed with stacks of search warrants, the prosecutors here learned of bank accounts in Fresno, Pasadena, Los Angeles, Woodland Hills, Beverly Hills, and Granada Hills, a total of 27 accounts at 14 different banks.

Some were in Dana's name only, while others he held jointly with his grandmother, Glee Mitchell, while others were joint accounts with his girlfriend, Monica,

who used to work in a bank, by the way.

They searched, is described in confidential records as they asked for permission to subpoena financial records and wrote, Dana, Yule, and Monica Zent have taken extraordinary measures to conceal the cash flow taken from Glee Mitchell Trust and to disguise the source of the funds.

March 8th, 1995, Ponce is released after agreeing to be a prosecution witness, and so is Peter, because he agrees to testify against his brother, and they let him go, too.

So they got all the information we told you earlier about all that.

They spilled, they're going to testify to every bit of that shit.

Now, trial comes up.

Okay.

Big thing is prosecution wants to show all those people from back in the day that said he's obsessed with with money.

All he cares about is money.

He lies to show how much money he has.

And the defense is saying that's irrelevant.

Oh.

And they're saying, no, it's not irrelevant because it shows that he was so concerned with status and money that he was willing to lie for it and willing to fucking do everything for it.

I mean,

do anything for it, including kill people.

So this trial lasts eight months, by the way.

Wow.

Eight months.

That's longer.

That's expensive.

That's longer than OJ's trial.

Think about that.

How long that was longer.

Eight fucking months.

I don't even know how long.

Wow.

I mean, I know like federal trials can go on forever, but usually a

state murder trial.

You're entitled to a speedy trial.

Eight months ain't speedy at all.

A guy I knew, his brother was involved.

He's a mob guy.

He was involved in the longest federal trial that ever happened.

It's a Vin Diesel movie, by the way.

And that was because there was like fucking 20 defendants that had lists of charges 17 miles long and RICO shit and all this stuff, murders and financial shit.

So

Joel's attorney, believing the evidence was so overwhelming against Joel that a guilty verdict was probable, made his main goal avoiding the death penalty.

Because the death penalty is, they're going for the death penalty on both of these guys.

So the prosecutor in his opening said, Jack Ponce also tells us about what Joel said about why he committed the murders.

He, Joel, says that he committed the murders in order to split the $8 million inheritance.

That's only admissible against Joel.

And he stated that he expected to collect

his half of the proceeds when Dana turned 25 due to a stipulation in the will.

They said, finally, against both admissible, against both, admissible against both, Joel tells Jack Ponce, we're going to assume the throne.

And he tells him, I hope there's no God, because if there is, I'm fucked.

That is crazy.

He helped his dad get all his finances in order.

He saw how much it was and was like, well, this motherfucker and everybody else are dead.

Killed him within three weeks.

Yeah.

He was like, You have that much money?

Holy shit.

I'm going to kill everybody, especially Tiffany, because I'm not giving that dullard half of this shit.

You know, that's what that asshole was thinking.

I'm not giving old fucking, you know, eggshell skull over there shit.

Rusty brain.

Fuck her.

Nothing.

So, in opening statements, defense attorney said,

The evidence will show that Joel and Dana were good friends.

Did you notice a few minutes ago the prosecutor started to bring up promissory notes?

That's correct.

Promissory notes.

they got the case and material and all this money turned over you heard the evidence that mr ponce is going to say mr ponce is going to say that joel's going to get four million bucks of the eight million dollar estate a man who's going to get four million dollars has to sign promissory notes to bister mr businessman dana yule to repay back sixteen thousand dollars think of that in your inferences and and in your evidence that's why he wanted to bring it up now.

He said, yes, there was some money given to him.

He made him sign promissory notes.

Okay.

So they talk about that.

Also discussed the statement

concerning assuming the throne and argued it was ludicrous because Dana was already on the throne in the apex of life.

He was already on the throne.

So childhood friend of Dana's testifies saying, quote, I've never known anybody like Dana in the respect that when one judges their life's worth or life's value, nobody has come close to Dana.

And all the people that I have met and come in contact with and have been friends with to where money has been the most single, most important determining factor of one's value

the most.

And they also said, compare the relative degree of Dana's interest in money to other people.

And the response is like,

scale of one to 10, it was an 11.

To him, it was, I don't know, he didn't feed on it.

It was a, it was a high, a big interest in him.

Like money makes things go round.

And people, you know, money won't necessarily make you happy, but it can buy you the Porsche you want and it can buy you the ski ski lodge that you want.

And I don't know.

I think money made him very happy.

The impression that he had a lot of money.

Michael Poindexter said, he's the greediest person I've ever met in my life.

And they said, did you ever describe that character as Dana wanting you to think he was as rich as God?

And he said, rich, as rich or richer.

So he said, he wanted to show everyone how much money you have, talk about the money, dress in the nicest clothes, make sure everyone knows you've got the expensive car, the expensive house, come from a well-to-do family, let people know you always have cash.

It would be completely in line to say you would always pay with big bills because it made you look like you have more money.

That when you go to buy a candy bar, you say, can you break 100?

It's the smallest I have.

That was his type of flashiness.

Now, some women say he was a nice guy.

A bunch of women testify.

Yeah, one guy said that even Joel was a nice guy.

He sent me a beautiful frame picture of Marilyn Monroe, this one says.

Kids, people from like college and shit like that.

He's dating women that like framed pictures of Marilyn Monroe.

Yeah.

It's very easy to please those girls.

You give them a frame picture of Marilyn Monroe.

No matter how many they already have, they'll love it.

They'll put more up.

One person describes Joel as a shady character, and she said, but by shady, I mean he's mysterious and internalized.

No, that is not at all all what that fucking means.

They talk about his lack of alibi, the fact that his family went to church, but he didn't go with them that day,

all of that shit.

Ernest Jack Ponce testifies and says everything there.

He describes the murders from Joel's standpoint, but says, and I saw the I, then corrected himself.

Several jurors later believed that

Ponce was there with him.

Oh.

That's what they believe.

They believe that Ponce was there with him.

That's why he said, then I saw the eye, not then Joel said he saw the eye.

Got it.

So they think, but Ponce passed a lie detector test, too.

So he probably wasn't there, but he knows what he's doing.

Closings, they said, so what happens here with all this scheming?

Dana finds himself as the toast of the town there in Santa Clara, running around in his suits, driving his gold Mercedes.

Have you ever seen how very, very rich people, men, get treated by their fellow men?

Have you ever seen that?

It's, I know not all of us treat them that way, but there's a great deal of power, admiration, respect, even sexual attraction that's accorded to the so-called rich.

All these things come to a person perceived to be or actually be wealthy.

And that's what Dana was putting out there.

The defense

here said that they ridiculed the prosecutor's references to Michael Milken and Ivan Bowski, labeling the prosecution's assessment of motive as garbage

and said, this is ridiculous.

You know, that's crazy.

You think that wasn't a planned question, the one about richer than God?

He said, no, not going to be richer than God, but he's going to be richer than Moses or something.

He's not going to have that kind of an answer.

Part of that garbage evidence.

Throw it against the wall and see what sticks.

Maybe one of the backup dancers.

Maybe one of those.

Maybe Kevin Federlein or some bullshit.

Yeah.

We both went to her stable somehow.

That's so funny.

Verdict comes in.

Jury deliberates for 11 days.

Jesus, might as well.

I mean, eight months.

How are you going to do that in something less than a week?

Both found guilty of first-degree murder.

First degree.

Sentencing now.

Death penalty on the table.

Oh, boy.

Okay.

The jury is deadlocked during sentencing.

Can't figure it out.

Can't figure it out.

So the judge declares a default sentence of

may fuck off life in prison without parole.

So they're there.

In prison, Dane is in the protective housing unit of the California State Prison at Cochrane, along with a lot of other murderers and Charles Manson and Sirhan Sirhan, high-profile people are they put in that.

He tries to get executive clemency in January 2022.

That shit didn't work.

His appeal didn't work either.

He won a couple of points, but not the ones about murder, unfortunately, for him.

Not the ones that matter.

No.

2023, the house was for sale.

Oh, really?

3,600 square foot, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

They said it was listed for $5.59.

It's sold for $4.80.

Oh, my God.

God.

Sold for way below what they wanted for it.

It's coming to Fresno.

It's a fucking murder house, too.

Yeah, yeah.

People were slaughtered there.

They wanted $5.50 for it?

Yep.

It had been sold in 1998 for $175,000.

It's a great return.

Not bad.

So, yeah, he's there.

2024, Dana wants a retrial.

Okay.

He said

he's been, the appeal is a long, powerful, and it's substantial.

The trial procedure violations are ones that very much go to the guilt or innocent of Dana, and it's the appeal that the California General Attorney General will be worried about.

He's also said he's a devout Christian now.

Yep, he said, God has allowed me some extraordinary events to occur in my life and completely broke me down and rebuilt me back up in the love of Christ.

Okay, great.

Terrific.

Good.

Then you can worship Jesus in there for the rest of your fucking life.

Enjoy.

And

you're free to do so.

I mean, that's the only free you are.

Yeah.

And the prosecutor said, I mean, that's nice and all.

But he said, also, Dana's the kind of guy who would say something to make you believe what you want to believe.

So he said, I just can't believe that anyone who did what he did has professed love to find God.

Yeah, I agree.

Right now, if you go to inmate.com, you can hang out with Dana because he's looking for ladies here.

Oh, is he?

Oh, yeah, he's on there.

Dana Yule, inmate.com, experience, it says, the most brutal of all teachers, but you learn.

My God, do you learn?

C.S.

Lewis, he puts at the top.

If you can relate to the above, you're not alone.

A finance graduate from Santa Clara University was pursuing a career on Wall Street when my dishonest, self-defeating behavior and bad decisions resulted in devastating consequences.

Coming to prison became a turning point, a life-changing opportunity where I realized how lost and totally depraved I had become in my pride.

A chaplain spoke about the gospel's message of grace, and that's when everything changed.

So he keeps going.

He says, born and raised in Central California, I grew up around general aviation and learned how to fly airplanes as a teenager.

I also love to travel and play tennis, blah, blah, blah.

How about you?

It's amazing how God works in our lives, isn't it?

Never could I have imagined that coming to prison would be the best thing that's happened to me.

But it was Jesus who taught me that love is stronger than hate and forgiveness is stronger than revenge.

You can write to him at Dana Ewell P-04759 CSP-COR slash 4A4R-16L P-O box 3476 Corcoran, California.

Hello, they make it real fucking hard.

Fucking difficult.

Who the hell can find that?

The case has been covered by a shitload of TV shows, including the forensic files, new detectives, city confidential,

all behind mansion walls.

It's a stretch there.

So, yeah.

With 550 now.

I mean, it's 3,600 square feet.

Nice house, but not a mansion.

Burial.

Whole family seems to be buried at Belmont Memorial Park in Fresno in the Garden of the Apostles section 2020, Space 6.

And Ernest Jack Ponce, maybe the biggest surprise of this whole thing, became an attorney in Orange County.

What?

Yes.

Never responded for repeated emails and requests for any of these people to talk to him.

Let's talk about that one crime.

We don't know what happened, what he was doing, but he's a fucking lawyer now.

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This week's executive producers are Sammy the Judgmental Potato.

Whatever that is.

Oh.

I love a judgmental.

I love a potato with sentient emotions.

That's what I like.

Danielle Schmidt.

Happy birthday.

Good for you.

Thank you for participating in this for your birthday.

I think Aaron Snyder's birthday, too.

Holy shit, happy birthday.

Happy birthday, everybody.

Christina Wilson's birthday, too.

It might be all of these people's birthdays.

Everybody's birthday.

All of your parents fucked in whatever it is.

June.

I don't know.

And Danny with an eye.

Summer fuckers.

Danny with an eye with no last name.

Thank you.

No birthday.

Thank you, Danny.

She or he probably gets it together with a birthday.

I don't know.

They are terrific.

I love them.

Thank you.

Good people.

Other producers this week are Happy Hour in Claysville, Pennsylvania.

Is that that shit town we drove?

Was it Claysville?

It's one of them, I think.

There was like seven

people.

Columbus.

Yeah, we looked it up and we're like, God.

And we were like, there's that many?

It doesn't look like it.

It's like it's well abandoned.

Yeah, Janice Hill.

I think it was that.

And I believe.

Sounds right.

I'll bet Happy Hour is on the same ride from Pittsburgh to fucking Columbus.

Wouldn't surprise me.

It's a tough ride, Happy Hour.

Be safe.

Peyton Meadows, Alyssa Giant, Giant, Gant, perhaps.

Thank you also.

Justin Stepanau, Andrea.

Nope, that's Adrian Mora.

Savannah Eichenauer.

Yep.

Justine Margot Patricia.

I think that's...

That might be.

Justine Marco might be a person, and I didn't hit enter and get Patricia with no last name.

Or Margot Patricia.

Maybe that's her.

Is that your full name?

Justine Margot Patricia.

That's three people.

Three first names.

Justin Petrak, Petrak, Petrak, probably.

Jamie Smith, Alexander Clear, Caitlin with no last name.

Andrea Menard, Laura Decker, Chris with no last name.

Kimberly Carl, Chad Chatterson, Alexis Larson, Ari Ari, Ari Martin, Diana.

Diana?

Is that right?

Plywax.

Plywax.

Oh, I don't know.

Deanna?

Diana?

Is it, I don't know.

Lindzette, that's probably Lindsay.

The T and the Y are close together.

Harris.

I don't know what I've done this week.

David Deutro,

Rihanna or Reyna.

Jamie Oberly.

Rihanna has no last name.

Mateo has no last name.

Dotie McCulley, the Jex of all trades, James.

I think that's a Jax, isn't it?

It's Jex.

Of all trades.

Joshua Deland, Emma O'Brien, Amanda Dutre, Michael Hall,

Tara Fisher, Kathleen with no last name.

name, Brittany Marie, Gina Perry, Denise Durham, Mark Moleski.

That sounds too close.

Better than Malesi.

Yeah.

It's better than that.

That's a tough last name.

Make sure that Mark Annunciate.

Mark Annunciate.

Key.

Kristen Svarer Jones.

Nikki Allen.

J.

Joe Lee, 2004.

Ranger, 11B 2000.

I don't know what that is.

Jennifer Moll.

Moll?

Oh, what was Richard?

Was the guy from Nightcord, right?

Richard Moll.

Bull.

Yeah, yeah.

Bull.

Ball guy.

Amy Rader, Elizabeth Renner.

How else we got here?

Lisa with no last name.

Shauna Hensley.

Joshua Nevins.

Debbie Para Para.

What the fuck is going on?

Alice Valentine.

Valentine.

Morgan Hagan.

R.R.

2Rs.

This show brought to you by 2Rs.

Christy Jablonski, Christopher Corral, Cody Day.

Oh,

who's Day?

Charlie.

Charlie Day.

You got lost there.

Nick Fox, Beta Brooks, Ivan C., Dylan Holm, Leanna Salatis, Matt Jensen, Jason Miller, Vergie J, Nail Lady, Rice Petrie, Nipples Sparks, 480.

What a

watch out for that.

That sounds terrible.

And

the other 479 of them, too.

Lindsay and Lucy Hamilton.

Amy with no last name.

April Marshall.

Vaughn with no last name.

Emily Amelia.

Kelly, Adam Leeton, Phoenix with no last name.

Fred Yannez, Michaela Landberg, Ruth Kinnison, Emily Spearing, Sam with no last name, Ian Harvey, Drew Lindsay, Sea Dogs, Sizzle, Shilly, Sheila, Sheila Sapienza,

Sapienza, Gary Creeders, Jr., Jesus, Becky Avenetti, Avenenti, Isa, Isa, Isa Azgari, fucking, that's

all right, Danielle Bliss, Jennifer Stricker, Tamara, Tamara, Gen S.

Lindsey Green.

He did a Tamara.

He did a Pomella.

Maybe she pronounces it like that.

There's nobody named Tamara.

Might be.

You know.

It's possible.

Daughters, Tamara and Yesterdy.

Yesterday.

Aiden Gossett,

like Lou.

Lindsey Green.

I think I said that.

Gen S.

Did I say that?

Cody Holzer, Michael Holzettzer.

Like Lou, but really white.

But Aiden.

Aiden Gossett.

Like Lou, but banging white gal.

Beth Dick Monty,

Matthew Kelly, Michael with no last name.

Matthew Kelly.

I said that.

God damn it.

Christina Farisi, Danielle.

Again, Matthew Kelly.

Allison Blackwood.

Gino Rose Girducci.

Guarducci.

There you go.

It's a U.

That's what that is.

Richard Grimes.

Dick Grimes.

That's gross.

Todd Voigt.

Suzanne Wilson.

Robbie Sintable.

Papa Woody.

All right.

You got it.

Are you happy now?

Locke and Kill.

Loc and Kai.

What?

K-I-I.

That's Locke and Kai.

Jason with no last name.

Sarah Pierce.

Annalisa.

Bedecked.

Wow.

Bedecked.

Bedecked.

Bedecked and bedazzled.

You're going to get bedecked if you're not careful.

Don't you budge over in front of me.

Rebecca Gambrel, Gambrell, Stephen Hoyfurt,

Heifert, Zucchini Zach,

Eileen Split.

That can't be a real name.

Susie Burgess.

Dagum with no last name.

That can't be a real name.

Amber Massey, Daniel Nottingham, and Beth Temple.

Aaron Connor Paulson.

Stephen.

Oh, hell fright.

It will, and frozen over also.

Alexander Breischler, Breischler, Allison Hagman, Chuck with no last name, Alexander Pentecost, Jennifer Pentecost, both of them.

Thank you both so much.

They've got to be related or in the same household.

Jennifer Lee, Jamie Cotton,

Arrow Lisa, Jesus, Bridge Dial,

what?

Okay.

Ben Ferrara, Jesse Cachula, Don Drake, Aaron Ingram, Younger with no last name, Alan

Cabanas.

Cabanas, Cabanas, Cabanas.

All right, Callie D, Lieutenant IDC,

or just L T I D C.

I don't know.

Lieutenant, I don't care.

I think that's what it is.

Marshall Mayhem.

Is that your real?

That's the coolest fucking name.

That would be awesome.

It's Marshall spelled like Marshall Mathers.

If your name is Marshall Mayhem, you should write a comic book about yourself.

And I will also call Marshall Mayhem.

Any show we're at.

Carrie Shepard, Carrie Lore, G.R.

Z.

Zhang.

Oh, by your shit.

You didn't do anything to earn that.

Someone gave it to you.

I think it's the coolest name.

Someone gave it to you.

Yeah, that's true.

I'll buy your parents' drinks.

Yeah, get your dad and mom out there, and we'll buy them a fucking cocktail.

Carly Wagner, Carolyn Lloyd, Ashland with no last name, Skentel, Schentel Ingram, what the fuck?

Janelle Bassett, Bassett, Nikki Belka.

Belkalauri?

Belka Laurie?

That's a name.

Marlene Maylene with no last name.

Marlene Kotoska.

Paul Starenberg.

Jesus, this is really devolving fast.

Megan Davis.

The wheels are coming off.

Jude with no last name.

Jenny Roche.

Emily Ditchburn.

Okay.

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