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Lovely place. Lovely place.
We all like Colorado.

Pretty.

This is Longmont, Colorado, which is a Denver suburb, basically.

But in Denver, the suburbs are far.

Denver is spread out.

The airport in Denver is like an hour from Denver.

So everything's far here.

So when we say a suburb, it's not like, oh, you could just drive to downtown Denver in five minutes. This is about 50 minutes to downtown Denver.
So it's, it's out there. Yeah.
It's all out there. It's about four hours to Aspen, Colorado, which is not only a beautiful resort town, but also the location of our last Colorado episode, episode 527, killing the princess.
So that was, I remember that one. That was fun.
Uh, this is in both boulder and weld counties the town kind of overlaps their population here is 98,789 and it's it's a suburb but it's a very it's very suburb-y there's not it's not a city it's spread out it definitely downtown you stick around right out there. You keep it central.

And even all the reviews are like, this small town, very small town.

Everybody, it has that feel, so it definitely fits.

Median household income here is $83,104, which is above the national average by almost $15,000. And then the median home price here, it's pricey.

Denver's a pricey market.

Here it is $535,800 to live an hour outside the city basically that's that is brutal man a little bit of history here longmont was founded in 1871 by a group of people from chicago really yeah a bunch of chicago people it was originally called the chicago Colony. That's what it was originally called.
Yeah, that is fucking wild, which is insane. These men sold memberships in the town.
They purchased the land necessary for the town hall with the proceeds. That's how they did it.
They were like, well, it's a long ride to the country club. I would say so.
This is the first planned community in Boulder County, and the city streets were laid out in a grid plan within a square mile. So it was boring right from the start.
They laid it out as, this is going to be the burbs, babe. It began to really pick up as an agricultural community after the railroad arrived, when they can take the stuff out of there.
And then it developed. I think that's still, I don't know what they're growing.
I guess wheat, that's all I could think of that would grow there. So I'm sure there's other shit, but I know wheat is that area.
That's the wheat belt. Probably feeding Coors Brewery.
Maybe, yeah. No shit.
But then after that, it kind of became just like a suburb, and that's what it's been since then. So a few reviews of this town to give you an idea of what it's like here.
Five stars. Longmont is a nice and growing community north of Denver and east of Boulder.
It's a very family-friendly – it is very family-friendly with a vast system of parks and running trails. The commute is great, and it still has the vibrate – still has arate main street area vibrates vibrate main street area with a small town feel downtown is very popular with the ladies main street it is that's the sidewalks are very popular they just stand there they just sit on the ground and look happy i don't understand it uh here three stars.
I grew up here and it's still my permanent residence. However, I moved away for college as a kid.
There's not much to do here. There's a lot of issues with teenagers and drugs.
Gee, I'm sure that's really unique to this area that teenagers do drugs sometimes. Welcome to America.
Jesus. It's like a small town with way too many people everyone knows everyone and not in a good way everyone's nosy is what they're saying that many people and we still know everybody still know everybody so that's what i mean at all it really feels like a small town from the way everybody talks about it is a psycho and enjoys their commute to denver it's any direction it's a's a nightmare.
50 minutes of bliss, baby. That's it.
I'm going. I'm getting in my car.
I can't wait. All this stop and go.
I love it. Maybe they listen to this show and they're excited that they get a chance to hear the whole podcast.
They want to hear it. I get a whole hour into this thing and then I get to sit down and listen to this in the queue.
Here's three stars. This town is right in the middle, not rural or overpopulated, hot or cold, conservative or liberal.

Everything about this town is very average, and that's okay.

That's okay.

I don't know.

I don't know.

That person is very easily pleased, I feel like.

Honestly.

Easily satisfied.

And finally, one star.

Nasty, spiteful, awful people who treat service workers terribly. Don't recommend moving here.
Zero empathy for other human beings whatsoever. And that's all caps rude and unkind.
Well, you already said nasty, spiteful and awful. Do you need to add rude? And there's a lot of adjectives.
Absolutely. The worst interactions had in years.
that's interesting. Things to do here.
There's a bunch, but this is the Winter Walkabout Music Showcase. I guess they do this every year in the beginning of February, so we just missed it.
Presented by the old Flatirons Bank. It's over 16 venues, 60 performances, and one all-inclusive ticket.
So you can drive all over town going to see these bands. And I'll give you some of the bands here.
I have never heard of any of these people. No? So maybe you have.
I'm not sure. It's probably country.
Megan Burt with two Ts. Not that one.
That's way too close to butt, by the way. You can't put two Ts, right?

No. I was hoping you would catch on to that.

Because I'm like, with two Ts, B-U-R-T-T.

You're going to approach the music industry with the last name that close to butt?

Come on.

Megan Butt.

Augustus will be there.

Okay.

Just declaring.

Well, he dropped the galoop part.

That's maybe.

I was thinking he was going to say he was taking over as emperor i'm not sure um the black hole boogie band hell yeah beats me yeah i don't know what the fuck that is but great erica brown with mj and the side gig okay that's too many people you know what you should do that many people? Get a band name and call yourselves that rather than just name all the people in the band as your band name. Yeah, they don't say Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora.
And the backer guys. It's not.
Bon Jovi. And the other guys you don't know.
Yeah, pick a name. Something catchy.
And Erica Brown with MJ and the side gig is not catchy.'s not working the tribonacci trio okay it sounds like some mother that's forcing her three italian sons to sing and they're like we don't want to sing my like get your asses out there and sing and like okay you do it you sing like angels get out there all right my um annika and the obsession the Rampart Street Stompers ain't

from here

ow Annika and the Obsession The Rampart Street Stompers Ain't From Here Alright Assume that's country The Mile High Brass Band Mackenzie Ray and Buckshot Moon This is bad Queso Raw Like Queso Raw but Queso like the cheese That's the weirdest so we do we sprinkle a little mexican in there i guess so fox feather um she's a stirts la pomp gabrielle mervine quartet i could go on but i think you get the fucking picture bunch of people you've never fucking locals i've never heard of any of these people uh yeah none of these people at all. So there you go.
Banana Bangs. That's a bad name.
Almost Rama. Not quite.
I'm not sure what's happening there. That said, let's talk about a murder.
Forget these unknown bands that I have never heard of. Let's talk about a murder.
Let's start out. This is going to be real recent, too.
Real recent. October 13th, 2021.
Let's start out. Golly.
Real fucking recent. Yeah, this is going to be real recent too yeah real recent october 13th 2021 let's start out golly real fucking recent yeah this is crazy uh it is 12 32 p.m in longmont okay uh 9 11 or 9 11 9 1 1 calls 9 11 i say like i live in uh another country some countries say the 9 11 when they're talking talking about.
So do 70-year-old men. They do.
My dad says it, and I'm going, stop saying that. I looked at it as like September 11th when I read it in my own handwriting of 9-11.
He's like, if I fall down, call 9-11. I'm like, why do you say that? Why do you say that? What are you doing? 9-1-1 is less syllables.
It makes no sense. There's no 11 button, so I'm dialing 911.
How about that? So they receive a call, 911 does, from 2010 Sicily Circle, which is the address they get it from. And it is advising that they heard shots fired.
And we'll see from surveillance cameras in the neighborhood that you can hear, I mean clearly four shots ring out it's it's one two three and then a fourth with a pause oh and it is um you know knowing what happened it's pretty disturbing to hear these uh see these videos so they they get a call here um now they say it's a woman saying that a postal worker was shot at the end of their driveway. They said our mailman has been, someone shot him, and we saw somebody running away.
We saw a man with a hoodie on and a blue mask running away from it. A fella chased down the mailman? What, he maced your dog? The mailman.
What happened? Dude, I mean, I said no more catalogs. Like, what the fuck do you want from this guy he's the mailman another advertisement for solar i swear to christ and i've i had a pain in the ass mailman at one point and it's i still wouldn't have shot him that's a little much i can you know what do i got a 30 second interaction with him i can make it at most if i have to sign for something oh god he's got so much work to do he's got a lot going on here so the uh they she this woman is saying too like it's outside i don't know he's outside and my neighbor's out there so the 911 operator is like can you please go outside yeah it's 2021 yeah take your cordless shit out there what are you still tethered to the wall she's on her cell phone but she's saying I don't want to go out there I'm afraid to go out there because I don't know if this person's going to come back she said one of my other neighbors is out there with this postal worker and you know I don't know I don't want to go out there so the 911 person's like you gotta go out there I need information you have to go tell me if this person's breathing you have to tell me go put that guy that guy on the phone.
Whatever. It's another lady out there, too.
So there's two older ladies that are hovered over this guy. So they said a man in a dark-colored hoodie, possibly wearing a blue mask, seen running southeast from the location.
This 911 call is frustrating, too. This operator is two seconds away from calling this lady a bitch.
Like it is two seconds. The lady on the phone, the 911 operator lady on the phone is pissed at this lady because she's like, go over there and look at him.
Is he breathing? And she goes, I'll go out there. I guess, okay.
And she's so casual about this. And she's like, oh, he's bleeding.
And they're like, from where where she's like yeah i don't know um um look um from the mouth i guess and they're like okay can you see does he have where is he shot is he breathing and she's like i think he's breathing and then at one and they're like well you should you need to perform cpr can you get down there check to see if he's breathing and perform cpr and she's like i don't how to perform CPR I'm not I'm not doing that and the lady's like someone's got to perform CPR I don't she's like I don't care if you know or not I'll fucking tell you how to do it yeah she's like ask the lady with you does she know CPR will she is someone willing to do CPR this lady would not go near the body this man basically she did everything but say gross like, dude, help this guy. You don't understand how messy this is.
Can you send somebody qualified for that? If I'm ever shot and killed and this lady's calling 911, I'm going to be fucking upset. And then at one point she's like, no, I don't think he's breathing anymore.
What? Yeah, and then the 911 operator's like, can you get down down and first of all make sure he's not breathing and then start fucking cpr if he's not breathing and she's a real casual ass way to say i think i just watched him die i think this guy just died in my driveway right and then she's like i don't know like she's like not doing the lady's like ma'am ma'am and then then goes, the lady on the other line's like, well, the police are here now, so I'll let them handle it. The police don't do that.
The 911 lady just goes, yeah, just do that. Just do that.
And hangs up. She's just like, I want to fucking strangle you, you asshole.
You're making my job really difficult. So anyway, this poor postal worker is shot four times and dies in this neighborhood jesus in front of a bank of mailboxes it's one of those neighborhoods that has the banks of mailboxes we gotta stop and walk down yeah it's one of those and so he's laying there he is got three gunshot wounds to the body and a gunshot wound to the face oh wow face i think it was one two three to the body and then one to the face

after that oh to make sure to make sure so this is like someone's really mad about too many publishers clearinghouse fucking advertisements coming to them i don't know what's going on here man's never showing up yet well he's dead now he's all dead so this was next to a near a cluster of mailboxes on Heather Hill Street, just west of Renaissance Drive.

And so there's different varying witness statements as far as how many gunshots. Some people heard five.
Some people heard three. It's four based on the video that I heard.
I heard four. And this is 1232 p.m., middle of the day.
In the middle of the day, yeah. It's the weirdest thing.
So they find that the mail carrier, his name is his name is Jason Schaefer. And he's born in 1988.
And he has a five year old son. He's considered a real nice guy.
People in the neighborhood talk about how he brings the mail up to the door for like elderly people who can't have mobility problems and shit like real nice guy everybody says oh even as a mailman he's just a good guy so i'm still bringing me other people's mail i get shit yeah i get shit from other people all the time and they know exactly hey you know exactly who we are here damn it you know what the number's right on the fucking on the box putting other numbers there. So after the scene cleared, all the neighbors were all gathered around the whole thing.
They all went and got their fucking mail that he just dropped off. They were like, well, I guess I got nothing else.
So they all went to the mailbox. Frame it.
It's his last one. That's it.
So the neighbors, here's one person, said, it's so sad this poor person was just doing their job.

You're in a peaceful area, a beautiful neighborhood.

You would never think once that this would happen to you.

She said she's had wonderful conversations with her mail carrier.

She says I'm really just heartbroken for them just doing their daily job.

One other delivery worker said that he, quote, never really had any encounters on that street or anything like that and said it's definitely a shame, too, that this happened, whatever the reason.

Someone else said you wouldn't expect you.

You wouldn't expect like your mailman would be hurt.

I assume that's the tone of voice that's being said or something would happen to him.

It's this is a pretty nice neighborhood, I'd say.

So it's just weird that it was right there in broad daylight, you stuck like in a place where like doesn't belong at all so um people said that he was known throughout the neighborhood one guy said he hand delivered mail to some of the houses because they weren't capable of getting to the mailbox um another guy um and then they so they're looking over this and they they think it seems like a pretty personal act. Feels that way, yeah.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like I'm mad about my mail to shoot somebody that many times in the middle of the street. Doesn't seem like I'm mad at my ex-wife.
There goes the mailman. I'll take it out of the mail.
That's the thing you do. I also don't like him.
That stupid fucking hat. Is he fucking my wife? That's the only, I don't know.
Yeah, stupid shorts. They're saying that this seems like somebody who wanted to look him in the eyes when they did what they did.
Yeah. They shot him right in the face.
So that's really personal. Real personal.
So they describe the person they saw as a man with a hoodie and a blue mask. And several cameras around the area caught the shooting as well as the suspect running through the neighborhood on various cameras.
You can just put the footage together and make a whole movie out of it. People don't realize it's just like that guy, the TELUS guy in Vegas.
remember the guy who's like a city council member who shot one of the other people yeah he's on like every camera like there's his car there's him walking to it there's another and you could just connect the camera footage to watch him come in and out of the neighborhood like the people not realize that every single house has a fucking camera on it now yeah i don't think they realize like it's crazy so they uh they all catch that um one person here from the police department said one witness saw kind of this shadowy figure standing across the street almost like they were just waiting like they knew we were waiting at the mailboxes for him to show up um another person said whoever they said, whoever this person was, they specifically had waited for Jason to be by himself before approaching from across the street. This was a strong indicator to us that this was planned.
Nobody's just hanging out on the sidewalk and then they're like, I'll shoot the mailman to death like that. That's odd.
So these video cameras here, they have one that has the the shots heard and i've seen the video and you hear the shots and then you see a small dark colored little suv traveling westbound on heather hill street okay so they said it's unknown at the time if that vehicle was involved in the incident or not but you can see it you can also see a person running southeast across Heather Hill Street on these on these like towards or away from that car towards the car. Yeah.
So they said the one camera here found at 12.06. This is six or 26 minutes before the shooting that a black Nissan SUV missing the right front passenger hubcap was seen driving past the residence, then back onto Summerlin Lane eastbound toward Renaissance Drive.
You better not ever commit a murder in a car that is very easily identifiable. Yeah, a distinctive-looking car.
With missing a hubcap. Yeah, get yourself a white Chevy Malibu with all the hubcaps.
Every rental car on earth. That's all they'll know.
So another camera that was on the back of the house facing west toward Renaissance Drive got at 12.32 p.m. This video caught a person running southbound from where the incident happened.
They said the person didn't seem particularly tall and was wearing what appeared to be a long-sleeved, dark-colored top with a possible hood and dark-colored pants and a blue face mask, again. So again, a resident here at 2420 Summerlin Court, they said that they saw a black SUV, which they thought was maybe a Subaru, backed into an access road to a field at the end of Renaissance and Summerlin Drive.
So this is like a whole setup. Somebody was waiting.
They had a car parked. Yeah, this is crazy.
So the postmaster arrives at the scene. The big boss.
Of the'm sure it wasn't the united states postal you know inspector general or whatever i'm sure it was just whoever ran what he is runs the local post office he shows up here and right away looks down sees who it is and says quote did the baby mama do it that's what he's that's his first statement is did the baby mama do it, which is interesting. Yeah, very interesting.
He does have a child, a five year old child with a woman named Devin Rebecca Schreiner, who is a few years younger than him. She is born in August of 1995.
And they had been having some contentious back and forth about custody of the kid. So they, and the police start their investigation.
They say, this is not like a postal, this isn't business. It wasn't killed over business, probably.
Probably has nothing to do with the post office. We're all upset about that right hike in the state.
Oh, goddamn fucking three cents, really? so they look into his personal life and of course his ex-girlfriend who by the way this guy knows the quote baby mama because she also is a post office worker she's a mailman is that right she's also a mail person so okay yeah so they both they met while they were working for the U.S. Postal Service back in 2013 or something.

Is that a real incestuous group?

I guess so.

I mean, I think everybody that works together just fucks each other.

That's just the way it works.

Yeah, I suppose.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know.

I'm not an office guy, and you were in your truck the whole time dealing with, like, linemen and shit.

So it probably wasn't the same for us.

But I think if you work.

I don't want to fuck them anyway. No, I would would hope not you want to fuck a dirty guy named ralph they all got nicknames of course they do because their name's ralph nobody wants to go by that so uh their son was born in 2015 like we said and then they were not together very long after that and a little bit on on Devin Schreiner.
She currently works at the Loveland Post Office. He works at the Longmont Post Office, Jason.
She's on the other end. She works at the Loveland Post Office and lives in Fort Collins.
Jason's mother said Jason wanted a family, so when Devin got pregnant, he was very happy, and we were very happy for them. But right after the birth of the son the son there was trouble and apparently he moved out about when the kid was about six months old he moves out that's a fast relationship that went sour quickly yeah they didn't even give it a chance to we'll get through this first year and see if it gets better he's still got a soft spot for christ's sake yeah yeah he's on stage one still for fuck's sake he's not even getting a little tiny chunks so they break up um the mother this is jason's mother said their values were not the same she did not want to work she felt she didn't have to work being a mother but you need two paychecks their relationship started to deteriorate and they broke up jason tried to get along and co-parent together and that wasn't working very well.
So Jason wound up getting a lawyer to set up a parenting plan. Oh boy.
They don't get along at all. As a matter of fact, it's been getting worse and worse and worse.
And we'll tell you a few factors why. One is two weeks before this murder, she still worked at the Longmont post office with him.
She got fired from there for getting into a dispute with him at work. Holy.
So that's the fucking thing. She got shit can from there for.
And I guess it was must have been her doing the driving of this because she's the one who got fired. She ends up moving over to the Loveland post office that week.
She gets hired by them. So she ends up with another postal job but they were working together as of two weeks ago.
Jesus. And a postal friend that knew both of them.
A postal friend? That's a weird way to put it sounds like she just mails her

correspondence to you

they don't call themselves pen pals

they should

so she said that they knew them

you know she knew them both this person and said

that uh that devin had worked at the

longmont post office for

a long time and

the couple's son was the source of tension

between the two and

several years ago jason

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The friend also said he was always concerned about whether or not Devin liked him or if Devin was okay. That's what this friend said about him and her.
Now, two days earlier before the shooting. So that was two weeks earlier.
She got fired and had to go get another job with another post office. Two days before he was killed, Jason filed for increased custody of his son.
Two days. She was just kid, less money.
She was just served the day before with the notice. So that's interesting.
A county prosecutor later said in looking at her her phone it was clear that she was served with paperwork she was aware that he was seeking increased custody and time with their shared child that's not good and then if that's not enough to cause and that's enough to cause a lot of strife in a relationship yeah here's the big kicker now oh as of june of this year for the last few months devin's sister rosa has been living with jason she moved in there with him there in a relationship now rosa and devin hate each other now clearly this is not going well at all very bad he is going to be an uncle daddy he's an uncle yeah she's going to be

an auntie auntie mommy one of the two this is no good so the jason's mother said just before the murder jason mentioned mentioned that his girlfriend rosa was living with him i didn't think it was a very good idea because rosa was devin's younger sister i told jason younger sister too. I told Jason, quote, you've opened up a bad can of worms here yeah that's a not only a can of worms they're all rotten in there they're all dead and rotted and festering they all had like syphilis and shit these are a can of dead syphilitic worms that's what he's opened up for the mailbox people too she does not that i know of so this is fucking crazy so between the the last two weeks of time and the sister moving in there's a lot of shit building up here this is i mean if she didn't do it wow she's got all the reason i mean she's the unluckiest person in the world if she didn't do it so then they figured out that devin they looked her up after hearing all this they found out that she drives a 2017 black nissan rogue which is a little suv a little black suv that's and she has a missing hubcap oh in her front right front right passenger in that we need to be missing.
Not good. As a matter of fact, yeah, you can see because they had an automated license plate reader captured the vehicle in May of 2021.
And it can be seen missing the right front passenger hubcap on that picture. She also has a new boyfriend.
Also, her. Not really new.
This is she's had she's been knowing and seeing this guy for a long time. I'll tell you exactly how long because it's pretty gross.
His name is Andrew James Ritchie goes by AJ AJ Ritchie. He's a prison guard at Englewood prison.
Fantastic. He's a CEO.
So, you know, he's a great guy too. You never know.
So they, they met when he was 20 and she was buckle up, everybody 13. Oh, Jesus.
That's when they met. So there's been something going on.
Yuck. Since this time, allegedly that's been going on here.
So that's interesting. She loves a federal employee.
so that's interesting she just loves a man in uniform she doesn't give a fuck what the uniform is i like a guy with steady benefits okay get over your auto zone so the uh this is um one of the people here the police people said they learned that devin Schreiner was not happy about Jason dating her sister. We know that for sure.
She had vented to multiple friends, including A.J. Ritchie, about her anger at the situation, including saying such things as, quote, they have a new family now.
My son, Jason and my sister. Yikes.
Shit. Yikes.
Now, by the way, sister, AJ, this is her boyfriend is currently living with his ex-wife and kids. And she says, X, I don't know if they're divorced or what, but he lives with them.
And the only time she gets to CJ, uh, AJ for the most part is on Wednesdays because he's off that day. And so she'll take her lunch break at his house and fuck him, I guess.
That's how that works. Wow.
Yeah, it's wild. She comes over every Wednesday for lunch.
That's her jam. She is his Wednesday.
That's terrible. It's crazy.
And their lunches are very classy, as we'll find out. Yeah, sure.
So they find all this out. They find out that their son, Jason and Devin's son, goes to the Gateway Montessori School in Longmont.
So they go and they pick up the kid here because they don't want Devin to get the kid at this point because they think she's a murder suspect. So they really don't want to have her have a kid in her possession.
So they go pick the pick the kid up and plus that will make her come to the police station if the kid's there right yeah that's what they're trying to do get control of you fast yep uh they call up rosa too to like keep and like basically hang out with the kid at the police station so he's not sitting there with strangers which pisses her off mightily as you might imagine and they they find out from the school they They get Devin's cell phone number, which then they can get all the information. Oh, yeah.
So that's what they do. And they absolutely get everything from Verizon that they can.
While at the school, they spoke with Rosa. Now, the detectives speak with Rosa and Rosa said that Devin's in a romantic relationship with AJ and that Rosa said also she's received that Jason has received threats from Devin and AJ and has messages and court paperwork at his residence about these threats, texts and stuff like that.
And Devin also threatened that AJ would shoot Jason. Like, I'll have AJ shoot you.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, so where was she during the murder?

Let's find out.

That's a good question. That's a good question.

Well, the Postal Service here, the U.S. Postal, whatever the fuck here, office, utilizes all

sorts of technology, including GPS, on all of their scanning devices.

Yeah.

They're used for a bunch.

They scan packages. They also constantly report GPS data to USPS servers throughout the day so that they can see exactly where you were, exactly what happened, and make sure that you're doing your job.
It doesn't just protect the customers and people out on the road. It protects you, lets them know where you are at all times.
If you get kidnapped, they'll know. So that's how that goes and so they're looking with that.
The scanners require a login to use the device. They scan their employee ID, which then associates with the letter carrier to a specific device, joins them together.
During this investigation, they review the scan and GPS records related to Devin, and they said that when they did that, they found an extended period of time on the day of the shooting where the GPS data indicated the scanner was stationary. From 11 a.m.
to 1.30 p.m. Two and a half hours she just sat? Two and a half hours it is it is at her boyfriend's house it's at AJ's house that's where the GPS has so that is a long lunch there boy so the activity is unusual as the scanners normally display movement at regular intervals you know because you're delivering shit basically walking driving so they said that um uh at approximately Only 10 a.m the scanner device indicated she headed to begin delivering mail that day and then like we said 11 something it shuts off and then 1 30 it comes back on it starts moving again so they um she was supposed to be delivering mail about 30 miles north of here in loveland but but GPS data from her mail scanner shows that it stalled at AJ's house, like we said, during the time of the killing, an hour before to an hour after.
So that's not good. They said it was 11.06 a.m.
until 1.28 p.m. The GPS device was pinging in the area of Tradewind Court in Loveland, more specifically the 3101 Tradewind Court in Loveland, which is where AJ lives.
Interesting. So they said that it's common for a GPS device to experience a phenomenon known as GPS drift, which the same device reporting several latitude and longitude combinations even when stationary.
So they said during this, they observed numerous pings in the area while the GPS device was listing a speed of zero in a direction of 999, which means it's not going anywhere. Even if there was a – It sat somewhere.
If it pinged to like two houses away, it's just because of the drift. It didn't go anywhere.
So they said at 1 22 p.m the scanner started moving again and it returned to the loveland uh main postal dock uh port around 4 31 p.m so she went out and finished her route yeah okay so that's her her two and a half hour fuck session and tuna sandwich well we'll find out about, actually. It's definitely not a tuna sandwich also, which is hilarious.
I do like her choice of a lunch. It's pretty good.
All right. So on the morning of, now they got cell phone data too.
On the morning of the shooting, cell phone data showed Devin and AJ were both at her Fort Collins apartment before they drove to AJ's home in Loveland. At that point, it appeared that AJ took Shriner to the Loveland post office, after which age, uh, Devin began her route and, uh, AJ drove into Longmont and began following Jason around on his route.
Oh no. Yeah.
That's very fucking interesting interesting here. They said that and then by the time everything's over by 518 p.m.
She's back in Fort Collins seen walking her dog. So she called at 527 p.m.
Called the Longmont Police Department to speak with a detective who had been. She had heard they were trying to talk to her she said they i heard the phone call too she's very much like an attitude like i just keep hearing i'm supposed to talk to you and they're like they're like well you should come down to the station something happened with your with your ex-boyfriend or this is your father your son's father and she's like my supposed to be with his father right now.
Where is my son? And he's like, well, we picked him up. And she's like, I did not give you permission to pick up my son.
And they're like, well, either way, he's here. So you want to come on down? And they're like super calm.
They're like, come on down. I'll give you my number and all this.
And she has- We didn't have to get your permission, by the the way she has the most i'm on hold with customer service attitude of all fucking time it's meanwhile the the father of her child is laying dead she doesn't know they didn't tell her that yet so according to her she's like no one will even tell me what happened and they're like yeah it's kind of complicated so it's kind of an in-person conversation we don't really want to get into it over the phone especially while while you're driving. You know, you're already clearly upset.

Yeah.

Come down here and be upset with us.

So she drove her 2007 black Nissan Rogue with a missing hubcap to the police department located at 225 Kimbark Street here and parked in the north parking lot. two detectives went and looked through the closed window of the vehicle and they found

they saw a blue face mask and a black hoodie that was lined and had a zipper and a drawstring. They're like, okay, well, that's what the murderer was wearing.
That's interesting. We got a uniform in here.
No shit. So they tow the vehicle away to have it processed and everything like that.
So where was her boyfriend that day? Besides, he started following him. We'll find out.
Okay. A search of a cell phone location and data showed his path that matched up exactly with Jason's path the entire time.
He stalked Jason all morning. Crazy.
One of the cops said, in watching that, it's almost scary. AJ was on top of Jason almost the entire mail route.
It looked like AJ had been waiting for Jason's mail truck to leave the post office that morning. Then AJ followed him all around for two or three hours.
Like an FBI agent. Yeah, like a fucking private investigator.
A rideshare vehicle used by the Englewood prison where he worked as a guard was seen on camera several times following Schaefer's postal van also. And AJ's cell phone data and GPS data from the, uh, AJ, or I'm sorry, AJ's cell phone data and the GPS data from Schaefer's postal scanner appeared to be in the same locations for the entire morning.
Surveillance cameras detected, uh, Devin's SUV, identifiable by the missing hubcap on its passenger side driving into the neighborhood of the shooting and parking on renaissance drive south of the shooting scene then they this is crazy right it's like it's this is the worst murder it's the worst murder ever you can put it together you can literally make a film out of the cars being followed and people running away and then you can have next to it running a map of these people following him it's the worst murder of all time it's been gps courtney you might as well have walked into the fucking police station covered in his blood would be the only other way to look more guilty than this you may as well have handcuffed yourself to a cop and walked him while you did it hey watch this it's fucking ridiculous man it's absolutely nuts um another security camera picked up the person approaching the van the this is jason schaefer's postal van then heard the sound of gunshots then showed the person running from the area in the hoodie and the blue face mask security cameras then captured the person running south before Devin's SUV was seen again, this time leaving the area. It's not good.
It's not good. Then they found worse shit than that, if that's possible.
Okay, number one, they found that this has been going on a long time. They found a picture on AJ's phone later from June 13th of that year, so months earlier, of him.
AJ took this picture at 1135 at night outside of Jason's apartment of a picture of Rosa's SUV with her license plate in it. Oh, my God.
That's so creepy. They asked Rosa, was there any reason for him to be there? Did he come over to help you guys or hang out or something and take a picture? And they went, absolutely not.
No reason for him to be there. He was stalking us.
So they found, this is from the detective, quote, there was this saved Snapchat photo that A.J. Ritchie had screenshotted and saved to his phone.
It showed an individual taking a selfie in a bathroom wearing the exact same outfit the shooter had on, and it's Devin in the picture. It's a picture of her taking a fucking selfie of herself wearing her murder outfit and sending it to him.
And then he, like a dipshit, screenshots it. Yeah, is this a good murder outfit? Yes or no? This is supposed to disappear, but I want to hang on to this for posterity and I'm going to jerk off to this.

A little later on. You're just seeing your eyes.
It makes me hot. If that wasn't enough shit to go on, there's also an assload of text messages that are really incriminating.
I don't know if the only thing I can think is that Devin thought they'll never suspect me, even though I'm the ex who's fighting with him at work and has been served with papers two days ago. Because there's no way anybody who thought they'd be a suspect would even do all this.
It's crazy. Fascinating.
It's like she's never heard of Dateline. It's like she's never seen a single nothing in 2021 that's inexcusable in 2021 you have to know better right this is crazy never seen a documentary investigation discovery never came in on her tv years ago it's not on any you know we we do make fun of people that google how to how to i do kind of commend somebody flying by the feet of their pants.
At least they tried. The Googler at least tried.
These people didn't even try. This is terrible.
I'm so good at this. Watch this.
It's fucking crazy. Take one.
I'm a winner. From July 8th, 2021, AJ sent Devin a text about, quote, ending Rosa and Jason.
Another text, they went back and forth, and he sent one to her saying, quote, you could just kill them both. These messages have been sent months ago, and it's fucking crazy.
They said they then then Jason had filed for the more time. Cell phone data showed that they were on a call, AJ and Devin, for nearly three hours the morning of the murder as well.
So like the whole time he's he followed Jason for three hours. So the whole time they're on the he's following Jason, he's on the phone with her telling her exactly what he's doing, what he's doing.
Yeah. They said they said we believe he was coordinating with devin he was sending information back to devin about where jason could be found on the mail route aj's the lookout for devin so like we said she called the investigators about 5 30 and agreed to drive to longmont to meet the investigator investigator shows up in her car with the murder outfit sitting on the front seat like a fucking idiot But She's so bad at murder, this person.
So bad at it. I can't believe it.
I hope she's a better mailman or no one has gotten their fucking correct mail in years. This is why she's been fired.
This is crazy. So she shows up and the only way I can explain this interrogation would be, imagine imagine

you way i can i can explain this interrogation would be imagine imagine you were just like walking through target going through the aisles yeah and two police officers grabbed you took you and sat you in a in a fucking in a chair in the interrogation office and said we're going to talk to you about a murder. Okay.
You'd be like, hold on. What the fuck? Oh, fuck are you talking? That's how she is.
She acts like, first of all, she's like, first of all, she won't even let the detective talk, which is a huge sign of guilt when people do that always. Her eyes are like, you can see the whites of her eyes.
Oh. She does not blink not blink the whole time oh like has this guy in her sights the whole time it's like a cat you just got wet it's yeah yeah she is angry that she's there and all she'll talk about is why was my son picked up from school i did not give my son permission to be picked up from school and he goes okay well that's great and you know the cop is super calm he's like listen that's good and i understand that you know she keeps saying without my permission and they're like yeah but you know they said the guy even says he goes well listen i mean this is your ex here who your ex here who's killed.
And when he tells her he's been killed. And she goes, well, what happened? And, well, first she buries her head.
She goes, he's been killed. He died today is what the cop says.
And she just goes like this, puts her head in one hand and goes. that's it.
And then she goes, what happened? But there is no, like she put her head in her hand. Like I should show some emotion here.
Yeah. Realize the well was dry.
Yeah. This is where people show emotion and then just came up.
Yeah. She told like the look was like, oh, we just saw in your car.

We were outside.

And it looks like one of your tires is flat.

You go, that's what she did.

It was just like that.

Like, that's inconvenient.

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The guy's like, that's great. Let's get back to the shot in the face part.
Remember that? All right. Can you calm down, One Hubcap? This is not good.
Then she goes in the face. Then she goes, I didn't even think he was working today.
Jason. I thoughtason was off today um then they're like okay well look before we go any further we have to read you your rights because and the guy tries to play it real casual she's super offended that they're reading her her rights by the way she's like you have to read me my rights why like i don't understand she goes well you know he goes you know when there's a murder you know we just have to we have to look at like the butler and the the bookie that he said he owes money to and you know exes and i don't think he has a butler and i don't think he gambles so you know you're the ex so we got to talk to you we're gonna count the candlesticks all that shit all that shit so they you know she's super offended by.
And she's just like, the whole time she's looking at him like, this is crazy. Oh, my God.
So they said it's obviously, quote, you have to rule out the butler, the ex, the bookie, you know. That's what he says.
Real casual. She says, so he reads her the rights, and then he asks her, you know, where were you today? And she says, well, I was at work, so I don't know what you're even bothering me for.
She's like, I was at work, so I couldn't have killed him, obviously. Case closed.
That's it. Okay.
Expecting him to go, all right, never mind. And he even said, he goes, oh, well, that's great.
That's a great alibi. He goes, terrific.
He goes, that's good. Then hopefully we can get you out of here pretty quick.
You know, we'll get that gunshot residue test and then we'll get you right out of here. Oh, and she's like, why would you do that? I don't understand.
Like she keeps, it's really fucking funny. Then she says her rights have been violated because they're talking about doing gunshot residue tests on her and shit.
And she's like, well, you, my rights have been violated because you took my son from the school. So she thinks she's going to fucking complain her way out of a murder investigation.

Yeah.

Which right is violated?

What are you talking about?

This is not customer service at the Walmart.

This is a fucking murder investigation.

You can't just yell your way out of it and stomp off.

So she says that she's very upset that the sister is with the son again and she doesn't want the cops to talk to her son either she said well you don't have my permission to talk to my son and they go well we don't really need it because he's a witness so we're gonna talk to him they're just like ignoring everything she says well since you're you know in custody at the you're not in custody but you are a suspect we're not gonna you don't really have any rights over him right this minute and since his other parent is dead we're just gonna hand him to someone who doesn't seem like a murderer and see how that goes for somebody also somebody that kind of sides with us and thinks that we probably ask him some questions yeah one of those you know one of those people rose seems good with it she seems all right with all this and um so yeah they tell her we don't fucking need your permission. We're going to talk to your son.
And she's not happy about that. That's like the first 20 minutes, by the way, of just irritating back and forth where you're just like this fucking lady is really irritating.
So then they finally get into the part about Jason. She finally gets over the son and all that kind of shit.

And she said the relationship wasn't great.

Jason moved out when the baby was six months old.

She said she filed a restraining order against him in 2016 after an altercation when she asked him to.

This was after they had moved out with each other and everything.

He was over and she asked him to leave and he got a little physical.

So she filed it.

But I don't know anything if that's real or not.

But I do know that he filed one against her.

But I'll see you next time. everything he was over and she asked him to leave and he got a little physical so she filed it but i don't know anything if that's real or not but i do know that he filed one against her but i'm not sure if they did it against each other or what happened here so then they tell her that well we saw your car near this scene right it was seen by several witnesses and they go it's very distinctive with that missing hubcap they go honestly how many black nissan rogues with a missing hubcap are there in the area probably not a lot you know what i mean and she's like why didn't i get fucking hubcap fixed so they said also a plate reader picked it up uh near the crime scene at the time of the murder and so you mix all that other part about yeah these traps shit they're, so, you know, not only was it seen with the hubcat missing, but then we know it was in that area because.
You also paid the toll. Yeah.
She's saying that, you know, I was at my fucking, I was at my boyfriend's house the whole time, so I don't know what you're talking about. And they're like, yeah, but you weren't because your car was here.
So they ask her, does anyone else, did anybody borrow your car? Does anyone else have keys? And else have keys and she's like well i mean i have another set but i don't even know where they

are so no no one borrowed my car don't do that it's fucking crazy so um they said it makes your

cars very distinctive then they said then your gps stopped like an hour and a half before the

murder it starts up again an hour after the murder that doesn't look good and she's like well i don't

know what happened with the gps because i was at aj richie's house eating lunch when my scanner was

Thank you. It starts up again an hour after the murder.
That doesn't look good. And she's like, well, I don't know what happened with the GPS because I was at A.J.
Ritchie's house eating lunch when my scanner was stalled. I don't know what you're talking about.
I wasn't there for two and a half hours. I don't know anything about that.
So they said, so you were there with A.J. eating lunch? Yeah.
And she said, yes, absolutely. They said, well, what'd you have? Pizza rolls.
Not bad. Good choice I love a pizza roll.
Yeah, yeah. A whole bag, I hope.
What kind of pizza rolls? She goes, I don't know. I didn't make them.
You can tell in two seconds if it's the good one. If it's the Tortinos.
Are they store-bought or Tortinos? Those shit. Genos.
We know what they are here. So they said, but you were there the whole time eating lunch with him.
Yeah. And she's like, yeah, absolutely.
That's what we were doing. I go over every Wednesday.
Turns out there's surveillance video showing him eating lunch with friends at Hooters during the time of the shooting. He's at fucking Hooters.
With his pals eating lunch, this guy. He's eating garbage food to look at titties today.
He's shit worse than fucking pizza rolls yeah i'd rather have pizza rolls than hooters hooters is terrible food is awful that's so funny so that is fucking amazing she said that if she didn't scan packages her gps might go dormant but that's maybe the maybe why it went dormant but i was at my boyfriend's house he was there with me and the guy says over and over he goes you know people just don't kill mailmen for no reason they're like it's just not a real highly targeted group of people you know it's just not yeah they blend into the landscape too nobody's even looking for them yeah and then they also say um we've also heard because jason told a lot of people this, that you told Jason that your boyfriend, AJ, would, quote, shoot him. Is that true? Oops, the daisy.
And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't recall.
So they ask her, they go, we're just going to ask you straight out. Who was it? Was it you? Was it AJ? There's two cars that were seen.
So it could have been either one of you. One car left and then another one showed up.
And then at one point he goes, we think it was you. Right.
You know, just because it looks like a smaller person also in the video. It doesn't look like AJ.
He was a big, pearly guy. And the murder uniforms on your passenger seat.
Yeah, we also found that. Well, they said, quote, we think it was you.
She takes up. this is the greatest thing i've ever seen in an interrogation we think it was you she takes a long pause and goes thanks the best i could describe it is thanks dot dot dot question mark that's thanks that's the honest response to we think that you're the murderer in the video.
Thanks. It's not like they said there's this really sexy murderer, like smoking hot bod, like all this stuff.
I'm pretty sure it's you. Thanks, but not me.
Your ex-boyfriend's dead and the murderer had great tits. We think it's you.
We think it's you. Looking at you and looking at the video, you got a rack to die for, sweetheart.
I'm telling you. Uh, thanks.
Thanks. And they're like, and the cop is like taking it back.
He's got to just, I'm surprised he didn't go, hold on a minute, and go out and tell everybody what just happened. Can you believe she just said thanks? What's with Colorado murderers giving that one word that's the dumbest fucking thing they could have said? Yeah, exactly.
Sweet and thanks. Sweet and thanks.
It's fucking crazy. Yeah, he's total Chris Watts here.
So they ask, is it you or your boyfriend? And they said, your car is there. Your texts say you're guilty.
They tell her they're going to do a GSR test on her. And they said, have you handled any firearms lately? And she says, um, no.
And then she goes, I don't know if I should, should I be asking for an attorney or I don't know how you go about that or what I should be saying right now. And he goes, well, you want an attorney? You can have an attorney.
We'll stop right now. And she goes, yeah, I think I should have one.
And they go, okay. And they leave the room.
And then a postal inspector comes in. Now the postal inspector, whether she's asked for an attorney or not, can still talk to her because this is about work.
This has nothing to fucking do with the murder, even though it's all about the murder, too. But he's going in and asking her about her work shit, which has nothing to do with that.
So he enters the room. It's work related.
And this guy acts like he's just he goes, I don't know what's going on here. I'm just trying to, you know, maybe you can help me.
You know what I mean? I don't know. You probably know more about these scanners than I do.
Do you happen to have the scanner because you're fired? Yeah. Can I get that back? We're going to go ahead and take your employee ID.
She said she went to the residence for lunch around 12 p.m. She knows the access code to get into AJ's home, so she entered the code, went into the residence on her own.
She said they had pizza rolls and water that he cooked for her, which we know is a lie because he's at Hooters. She said that she and AJ argued while she was there and that AJ left in his vehicle, which was described as a big truck.
And she said she went in her postal vehicle, sat in it and cried for a while and then went back to work. So she said, yeah, it was her boyfriend's day off.
She always went there to spend lunch with him, you know, because he lives with his wife and all. So pizza rolls and arguing.
She said she does own firearms, I'm sorry, but doesn't know where they are at her house. I don't know where my – I have a five-year-old.
But I don't know where I keep my guns. I'm not sure.
I keep a five-year-old and loose guns around the house. That's how this works.
I know where my kid is, but not my gun. Not my guns.
She said in November 2020, she went to a shooting range and she shot a long gun and she didn't know what kind. And she said she is familiar with guns and has shot firearms in the past.
They asked, did she have her cell phone with her the whole time? She said, yes. Nobody borrowed her phone.
She's the only one also, she says, to access her car that day. She's the only one who drives it, and she has the only set of keys that she knows of.
She doesn't even know where the other ones are. This all comes to a head without her confessing or her doing anything, and they're just like, well, I guess.
By the way, she could have gotten up and left at any point in this. She was not under arrest.
Rather than keep looking guilty, she could have said, have said i'm taking my son and going home fuck you and she would have absolutely been within her rights to do that but she didn't but she seemed to know her rights james yeah she didn't want to hear him so aj they get him in there and aj says okay fine I'll tell you everything. Oh.

Yeah, he does.

He initially denies it, but then he says he dropped her off at work and then drove around.

He said he talked with Devin multiple times on the phone that morning because she had spoken of killing Schaefer,

and he was trying to persuade her not to go through with it.

That's what he said.

He then said that he was trying to warn Jason about Devin's plan to hurt him him that's why he was following him around never stopped and told him or anything but just followed him around yeah maybe the next house i don't know he's got there's a couple packages there i don't want to bother him with that oh that looks heavy when the police asked why he didn't call the police if he thought that devin was going to hurt jason he said that quote he didn't if she was serious. I don't fucking know.
He said that he told detectives that the threats to harm Jason had been going on for a while and they didn't seem as serious as on previous occasions. He's wow.
He said, except for the three days before the shooting, when Devin messaged him a picture of herself dressed in clothes similar to those of the shooting suspect, the cop said. So, you know, yeah, that was sent to him three days earlier.
So according to this, Richie said that he took it upon himself to drive to Longmont and find Jason's truck and wait to confront Devin. He was going to wait and go, you know, you go back in your car.
Don't do that. You.
This is bad. So he admitted to following the truck, the most of the mail truck, most of the morning waiting outside Jason's apartment during his break.
And while he waited, he was on the phone with Devin, who he said told him that she wasn't going to harm Jason. He said then he briefly spoke to Jason, warning him to watch out for Devin.
He told police that at that point he felt he had, quote, done all he could. I did my due diligence.
I did all I could and went back to Loveland, and that was that. So the cop said there was extensive thought that went into this murder.
Devin's going to plant her cell phone and her mail tracker up at AJ's house, and as soon as she knows that the last location for Jason, that she has a good idea where he's going to be, she gets down to Longmont from Loveland and this happens.

So she left the tracker devices there and then went out in broad daylight and murdered

somebody on 45 different cameras.

Not smart.

So she thought about technology very briefly, but not much more than that.

Forgot about the ring doorbell.

Forgot about all that shit.

So, by the way, they arrest her.

They arrest AJ, obviously.

While she's in jail, there's another ex-boyfriend, by the way, who she's still sort of seeing here.

His last name is Castaneta.

And the detective asked her during the interrogation, well, you

know, was it AJ?

Did Castaneta do this?

And she's like, why would you even bring him up?

Castaneta.

And he's like, I don't know.

It's one of your boyfriends.

You know, maybe you got him to do it or maybe he was mad about Jason or something.

And she's like, no, like I don't even talk to him.

Like that's silly.

So as soon as she's in jail, she's talking to him every day on the phone, by the way,

this Castaneta guy who's a complete, this guy is a fucking tool.

Their jail phone calls are on YouTube with video. They did not just on video.
You get to see their faces. So you can see him crying the entire phone call while she is just like not.

She has no emotion.

Stone faced and. So you can see him crying the entire phone call while she is just like not.

She has no emotion. Stone faced and and just like trying to get him to help her.
So basically they got on the phone because he's telling her that. I don't know if you saw yet, but what just came out today, AJ confessed to everything and let it out.
And he gave the police a picture of you in the outfit that the murder plays in. And she's just silent.
She goes, no. That little ghost emoji.
Dude, she said that he just tells her everything that AJ told the cops. And her response is, quote, I'm sorry you had to hear all that on the news she's cold she's cold man um yeah and he says i just wish i could have seen you again and she says i know i wish i could see you too um and she goes are you gonna be okay and he said no this is real bad and she says i'm sorry i wish i knew what to say to make it better.
Say you didn't kill this person. Yeah.
I wish I could make your situation better, but it's getting worse, and it's not your job to make this better, you know, like that kind of thing. And so she says, though, I'm sorry you're hurting.
And he says, I love you. And she says, I love you.
This is no relationship no relationship according to her and I think she says you don't have to say it if you don't want to and he goes I do I want to and she says I know I'm sorry I wish I could fix things for you and she said I don't like seeing you upset and oh no I don't want to use the kid's name at all because he's still definitely a minor and her son's having a hard time because it's in the actual thing but we won't use his name because that's crazy um having a hard I know you're having a hard time and she he says yeah I'll still call you every day if you don't you know and she says you don't have to if you don't want to and he says well I know it's hard for you right now and then he's like so what we what do you me to do with your stuff? What do you want me to do with all your stuff? He's still on the outside. Yeah, this guy, yeah, it's her ex-boyfriend.
He had nothing to do with this. He's not arrested.
AJ's arrested and in jail, but this guy isn't. He's not arrested.
So she's got her ex-ex-boyfriend doing her bidding for her on the outside. He's like, I'll go clean out your stuff in your apartment.
What do you want me you want me to do and she says just sell what you want just try to keep the jewelry and those personal things that you know i like everything else can go it's really not that important um in case i get out in case yeah in case i get out and she he's at one point he goes because i'm not going to see you for 25 years now it's fucking amazing like an eight-year-old yeah so they have a postal procession they have 47 postal trucks take ride schaefer's mail route as a as a parade yeah they take 47

postal vans and they do a memorial procession doing his exact mail route every day which is

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doing his exact mail route every day, which is hilarious.

I don't mean to laugh.

This poor guy is a fucking, but that's hilarious.

Jason would go, guys, calm down.

Chill.

You don't need to do that.

Go around the block once.

I don't need 47 trucks going down my street.

That's crazy.

Yeah, you're like, what the hell is going on out there? Are we being invaded by the post office?

What's happening?

Are they a military force now?

Guys, the post office is taking over. Be careful.
Sorry, my wife's got an Amazon thing. I apologize, guys.
It's an addiction. Christ, that's amazing.
So his mom speaks at the memorial and says, one thing I've learned through all of this is that he was like a little hummingbird, a butterfly. He just brought so much joy and whimsy to all of us.
She said, I thought, yeah, she said, I thought it was me. I would listen for the sound of his old mail car.
And all the residents were there too. One person said, this answered nothing.
It wrecked everybody. It wrecked her family, his family, people around him.
None of this is an answer, meaning the shooting. Postal workers recalled him as a great softball player on the post office team and a good friend.
One guy said, it's been a week, and I'm like, are you on long vacation? I've been waiting for a text to be like, I'm so sorry. I can't believe all these people came out.
so Devin goes to trial here. And her defense is that, well, the prosecution is saying that she's upset because he was dating her sister.
Duh. Pustity stuff.
You know, you can take the rest from there. The defense said that Devin was corrupted by AJ.
Oh. That's the real culprit here is AJ.
They said, quote, Ms. Schreiner is not a murderer.
She was the weapon, but she was AJ Ritchie's weapon. Is that right? Even though all the motivation to kill belongs to her, not him.
He's married. He has no time for this shit.
Except for his wandering around following the guy. It's his day off on Wednesday.
It's when he usually fucks his girlfriend. Instead, he'll do some...
The defense said that, yeah, she... He's corrupted her.
They also said that AJ had groomed her since she was a child and that they met when she was 13 and he was 20. I don't know when a sexual relationship started, but that's when they met.

I hate it.

They show all of that mountain of evidence,

of technological evidence,

and it is guilty.

I mean, there's no way out of this shit.

She doesn't...

Maybe we saw you.

You can watch her on the video doing it.

So at sentencing, she declined to speak,

then moved toward a corner and shielded her face from view as the impact statements were read. She stood in the corner? Not good.
Jason's parents here, Jason's mother called the son's murder a living nightmare. She said her family's lives have been destroyed forever, and her grandson is now living with relatives in Connecticut.
She said, I have not slept since his murder. Our lives have always been destroyed.
He does not deserve the son does not deserve to be without a father. Jason's father said, you can hug your son, but I can't hug mine due to your calculated actions.
And the judge says, I got some calculated actions for you. You, ma'am, may fuck off life without parole.
Oh dick eating line starts that way how many women are serving that that is a that's what i mean this is this is cold man this is fucking cold so um during the trial they bring aj to trial too and they during the trial they show his cell phone being tracked along the route. And, I mean, he's just as obviously guilty as she is.

And there's even a text that's read among several. But this is the jewel of the text here that he had sent her about a month ago that said, quote, you could just kill them both and make it look like they killed each other.
Meaning Jason and the sister Rosa. in closing statements

they described him as the eyes and ears

of Devin Schreiner's murder operation

and he is found absolutely

guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to you sir may fuck off life without parole correctional officer in prison in prison hopefully for him not that prison so they said with today's guilty verdict the two people responsible for this premeditated and cold-blooded murder will be held fully responsible for killing Jason Schaefer while he was delivering mail. They said the two robbed Jason's family and U.S.
postal colleagues of a beloved son, father, and friend. Not the postal colleagues.
God damn it. So this is horrible.
The guy seemed like a nice guy and definitely didn't deserve to be murdered while he's delivering. No one deserves to be killed at work.
That's terrible. No, not at work.
Do it in the off time, for Christ's sake. So there you go.
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