Breaking Badder - Mason City, Iowa

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Speaker 2 This week in Mason City, Iowa, a smart young man has a very illegal idea to make some money, but all of this spins out of control, leading to the cold-blooded murders of five people in a game of finger-pointing that can only be sorted out by secret recordings and midnight confessions.

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Speaker 2 we are going to iowa this week yeah let's do it mason city iowa oh yeah mason city

Speaker 2 yeah this is in north central iowa um in the middle of nowhere it looks like yeah it's about two hours to des moines

Speaker 2 about two hours and 15 minutes to cedar rapids So

Speaker 2 it's two hours from anywhere, really. So about the same to like Sioux Falls over in the other direction.
About three hours and 10 minutes to Bellevue, Iowa, which was our last Iowa episode.

Speaker 2 That was Death of the Dog Lady. I remember that one.
Remember, she had the dog grooming place. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that was a crazy episode. It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 Yes, this is in, I believe it's, I'm going to pronounce it the way it should be pronounced. Who knows how they pronounced it in Idaho, but Cerro Gordo County.
Would I say Idaho? I do that every time.

Speaker 2 Idaho.

Speaker 2 It's your favorite thing to mix up. Yeah.
It is. I'll throw Ohio in there, I'm sure, at some point, too.

Speaker 2 C-E-R-R-O-G-O-R-D-O. Cerro Gordo, correct? Yeah.
Yeah, we're going with that.

Speaker 2 I know it's probably something different there.

Speaker 2 It's a native word, and it's very difficult to do. We don't know.
Area code 641, nickname here, River City.

Speaker 2 Even though in the eastern part of the state, there's like actual big rivers, but they're going to go with River City here because I believe it's the, what is it, the Winnebago River or something goes by here.

Speaker 2 Yes, the Winnebago River and the Calmas Creek converge here. So, obviously, a little bit of history here for Mason City.
It is known for its musical and masonry heritage. Oh, really?

Speaker 2 And big as far as there's a huge collection of a certain type of building here and architecture, the prairie school style of architecture. Do you know what that is?

Speaker 2 I'm a big fan of architecture, so I read up on this stuff. Yeah, between mosaic.

Speaker 2 This is what prairie school looks like. Yeah, I mean, that's very obvious.
It's just a lot of overhangs.

Speaker 2 What is that? It

Speaker 2 looks like a beach umbrella. It kind of.
It kind of looks like one of those Japanese buildings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like that have like a roof on top of a roof.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a lot of roofs and a lot of overhangs and things like that. That's, yeah, they describe it thusly here.

Speaker 2 Marked by horizontal lines, flat or hipped roofs with broad overhanging eaves, windows grouped in horizontal bands, integration with the landscape, and solid construction and craftsmanship.

Speaker 2 It reflects discipline in the use of ornament, which is often inspired by organic growth and seen carved into wood, stenciled on plaster, colored in glass, vein marble, prints, paintings, with a general prevalence of of earthly autumnal colors.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 what you just said sounds like historical Japanese dust. It's a lot of roofs, put it that way.
That's all it really is.

Speaker 2 The town here, the first settlement in this area, was around 1853 at the confluence of the Winnebago River and the Calamas Creek. The town had several Freemasonic influence names:

Speaker 2 Shibboleth Masonic Grove and Masonville, until finally Mason City was adopted in 1855 in honor of a founder's son, Mason Long. It was just the guy's name.
Mason.

Speaker 2 It wasn't, he had nothing to do with Mason shit.

Speaker 2 Reviews of this town here, because we've never been there.

Speaker 2 First of all, on niche, it is ranked the number 31 best places to retire in Iowa. So not

Speaker 2 31st in the better places in Iowa?

Speaker 2 Not 31st in the country, and not 31st, best place in Iowa. Best place to retire in Iowa is number 31.

Speaker 2 It's the 467th best place to retire in the United States.

Speaker 2 Who knows? Yeah, that is crazy that they like tout that as a thing. We're the number 31 place to retire in Iowa.
In Iowa. Any more specific you want to be?

Speaker 2 Wow. So here's some reviews.
Here's five stars. I lived there my whole life, and everyone is a little dramatic when it comes to the flaws of the town.

Speaker 2 A little dramatic here. Every place has flaws.
I think Mason is the perfect combination of big city, but still local. It is not a big city, by the way.
I've never heard of it. It has exactly.

Speaker 2 They think here, they literally call it the city here. Like, it's crazy.
It has events for all ages going on all year long, but especially in the summer, you know, when it's not freezing out,

Speaker 2 there isn't much crime, and most people are nice.

Speaker 2 That's one idea of it. Some people say it is like

Speaker 2 1920s Chicago with Al Capone gunning people down in the street. Oh, it's crazy here.
You have no idea. It's Alfred Dillinger.
He's just around the corner. It's basically like South Africa here.

Speaker 2 Was it Cape Town where you get robbed stepping out of the hotel, places like that? Three stars. Mason City is a small town that's always been small.
That's better. It's the other person.

Speaker 2 It's got the big city. Who knows? Small town that's always been small.

Speaker 2 It wasn't once a sprawling metropolis.

Speaker 2 One time it was huge. Basically, it used to be Chicago.
Then they changed up. The local government seems to want to keep it that way.

Speaker 2 Do they?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I don't think they're the ones keeping people out of Mason City, Iowa.

Speaker 2 I think it's just they don't know it exists unless they're retiring and they've gone through 30 other places and they end up here.

Speaker 2 There's been numerous companies that have tried to locate to this town, but have been shut out.

Speaker 2 Okay. You guys are

Speaker 2 keeping progress from happening? Is that right? That's what they're that's what the accusation is. There are plenty of jobs for the unskilled worker.
The selection of restaurants is fabulous.

Speaker 2 However, the array of shopping choices is nearly nil.

Speaker 2 Oh, you got no shopping but all the food. That's three stars, I guess.
Three stars here. That's a mall, just a food court.
No shopping. No shopping.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they shut down all the stores and left the food court open. Three stars, been living here since I was born.
To now. Okay.
Born. Born and raised, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 Lived here my whole life. That is a terrible way to put it.
Up to now. Up to now.
I was born. I'm still here.

Speaker 2 As a teenager, Mason City is a good place for old people to come and drive around and do nothing. There's almost nothing here for me or others to do.

Speaker 2 Maybe go to one of the 55 churches or try the art museum. Downtown is nice looking, but that's about it.
Everywhere else are run-down-looking houses and untrimmed lawns. Schools are good, I guess.

Speaker 2 I just wish there was more businesses and other recreational things to do for everyone so that I would like to go outside. You'd be better off going to some other town.
You just bored a teenager.

Speaker 2 A small town in Iowa to me. Yeah.
That a teenager lives in. That's why teenagers go, I can't wait to get out of this town.
I hate it here. Because there's nothing to fucking do.

Speaker 2 That's why you leave and you'll come back later when you have three kids. You'll go, let's come back to that nice, quiet town I have so my kids can be bored like I I was.

Speaker 2 How many times can you do glow-in-the-dark bowling? Yeah, it's boring. Two stars, a lot of crime in this town.
Hopefully it gets better, but the killing is really close. The killing.

Speaker 2 The killing. The killing fields of Iowa.
That's what I mean. They make it sound like it's in Cambodia over here.
This is insane. This is crazy.
Kamir Rouge is happening.

Speaker 2 Then this is my favorite review of all time. This person hates this place, and it's so much vitriol that

Speaker 2 it makes me like the place because it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 The title of it is Hell Would Be Nicer. Oh, shit.

Speaker 2 With three exclamation points, Hell Would Be Nicer.

Speaker 2 Hellfire and the Devil. That's what I'm looking for.
Wow.

Speaker 2 Well, this is a wild review. Where to begin?

Speaker 2 Well, you just let it fly. And he does here.
Murder, arson, abductions, bestiality, gang killings, meth labs, panty thieves.

Speaker 2 Panty thieves.

Speaker 2 High utility bills, no jobs, corrupt police, evil judges, minus 40 below wind chill, 90 degrees plus and high humidity all summer.

Speaker 2 Vandalism, slum lords, religious freaks, backstabbing busy bodies, horrible, bland, tasteless food. Stay away.

Speaker 2 And the panty thieving. Panty thieving.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, it's 90 plus degrees out. You start to lose your mind and steal panties, apparently.

Speaker 2 Well, or maybe with that hot, your mom just misplaced them. Yeah, Eric is a bad fucking, he hates it here.
My God, not happy.

Speaker 2 He just named off all the bad things. Okay, people in this town, 27,385.

Speaker 2 So, so it's very small. Not a big city, yeah.
It's just a small city. It's a nice little, nice little size city.

Speaker 2 Uh, more women than men, about 51.2% women here, which is pretty high for a good-sized city. Uh, median age is a little bit higher than the national average, it's 42 and a half.

Speaker 2 Family here, 50-50 is the usual for married. Here it's about 52%.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 a lot of people with kids, it's that kind of place. You know, a lot of come here and do that and have kids and raise a family.
And hopefully, nobody steals their panties.

Speaker 2 That's the, you know, you never know, though. It's so crazy.
That's the first time that's ever been.

Speaker 2 We've never seen that in a review. And we do this show.
We do Your Stupid Opinions, which is a show about reviews. Never heard that one before.

Speaker 2 Panty thieving. Race in this town, 89.5% white, 2.1% black, 1.2% Asian, 5.6% Hispanic.
Religion in this town, 67.6% religious. Wow.
50-50 is the norm, so very religious.

Speaker 2 And the top religion here is Lutheran. Yeah, that does.
I would have guessed that. Yeah, the mild Lutherans over there.
Yeah. It's got some Methodists.

Speaker 2 Even Kiel.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Got some Methodists, a Presbyterian or two over here.
You know, only a few Baptists, that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 There you go. Unemployment here is just below the national average.
So there's jobs to be had. Don't know if they're good, but they're there.
There's something.

Speaker 2 Median household income in the rest of the country, it's about $69,000. Here it is $56,009.

Speaker 2 So not terrible

Speaker 2 the place. And we'll find out if it's maybe the cost of living here is also a little bit, it's lower than

Speaker 2 other places. so that helps a lot here uh and if we've convinced you that the only place to be for you is mason city iowa we have for you the mason city iowa real estate report

Speaker 2 Average two-bedroom rental here goes for $840.

Speaker 2 So more affordable than it is. That's very affordable.
$400 less than the national average. Here's a house here.
Two-bedroom, one-bath, bath, 668 square feet. Jesus.
Small house built in 1940.

Speaker 2 I'll show you a picture here. Kind of looks like it's falling apart.

Speaker 2 It looks like a weekend getaway. Yeah, I don't think you want to spend your weekends at 908 6th Street Southwest in Mason City, Iowa.
I don't think that's your big hotspot. Southwest.

Speaker 2 And there is no pictures of the inside, so you know it's nice in there. Oh, it's they want to keep it a secret to keep the people from bum-rushing it.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Getting in there and and causing a pitting war.

Speaker 2 All the allure you're getting out of this place.

Speaker 2 The listing says some of the demo has already occurred.

Speaker 2 And now you can put your, it's falling apart is what that means. And now you can put your own touches on this one.
Newer roof. Bring your tools and make this home a gem again.

Speaker 2 Bring your tools. 50,000 bucks for that.

Speaker 2 $50,000 and $10,000 in tools. That's it.

Speaker 2 Here is a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,200 square feet, built in 1921. Oh.
It's a nice, you know, front porch. It's adorable.
It's a nice little house, decent, 1,200 square feet. Not terrible.

Speaker 2 Not a big yard. It's only 6,500 square foot lot.
Not terrible. $124,500 for that.
Okay. And then finally, you've been doing well for yourself here.

Speaker 2 We have a five-bedroom, three-bath, 5,004 square feet. Big old house.
Rich.

Speaker 2 1.91 acres on a lot, so not bad. The house, if you look at the picture, looks like it's three-quarters garage.
Yeah, it is three cars, right? Three-car garage.

Speaker 2 That's a three-car garage, and then the house, which is like the same width, but it's a big house. It looks like it has ears.
What is that? That's, I don't know. They're two chimneys.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 There's a fireplace. Right above the door, too.
It looks like

Speaker 2 a different room. I don't know what, or maybe they have them like you walk in the door, you're surrounded by fireplaces on both sides.
Not sure. $605,000 bucks for that, though.
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 Which, and anywhere else, that's a very expensive house for 5,000 square feet, and it's brick, too.

Speaker 2 And two acres, too. That's

Speaker 2 two acres. Yeah, it says it offers spectacular lake views and a lifestyle designed for entertaining and relaxing.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Not bad. Yeah.
I'm into it.

Speaker 2 Things to do here. Okay.
We have the North Iowa Band Fest.

Speaker 2 Oh, boy. Yeah, this one's not going to have Ludacris and Nelly at it, though.
This is for local bands, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 Ludacris tried to get in this one, and they wouldn't let him. They're like, listen, man, county fair only for you.
This is a local event. We can't have you in here.

Speaker 2 The theme for the 86th North Iowa Band Festival is the Sounds of Iowa. No, what a

Speaker 2 celebrating the heart and soul of our great state.

Speaker 2 A lot of soul in Iowa.

Speaker 2 Mason City's signature summer event, the North Iowa Band Festival, celebrated its 86th 86th weekend, hosting the largest free marching band competition in the Midwest. Oh, boy.

Speaker 2 That sounds like a nightmare. One guy, one fucking band goes,

Speaker 2 they go. Next one comes up.

Speaker 2 Just playing Louie Louie all

Speaker 2 over and over. Same shit.
With that tuba.

Speaker 2 Is it free marching band or are they just free marching bands? Free to attend. Okay, that's what the free is.
Yeah, yeah. They have the John Adams Middle School Band.
We'll kick off the event.

Speaker 2 That's what I want to see. A bunch of 12-year-olds playing a band.
Followed by, who aren't my kids especially?

Speaker 2 Followed by.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Mason City Municipal Band. Yeah.
The whole city's band. Then the, quote, the talented Mason City High School Orchestra will perform.
Oh, boy. Great.

Speaker 2 The Mason City High School Jazz Band will be there.

Speaker 2 On the main stage will be Will Barnett and Company.

Speaker 2 And headlining the night will be Trophy Dads at 8 p.m.

Speaker 2 They don't sound like a school band.

Speaker 2 On Saturday, you have a lot going on, too. You got an award ceremony.

Speaker 2 Noah Harris will get the music started on the main stage by 3, followed by Of Old Magic at 4 p.m.

Speaker 2 BYO Brass will make their band

Speaker 2 festival debut. Bring your own brass, everybody.
And Not Quite Brothers will take the stage at 8 p.m. to close out the evening.
Four stepbrothers.

Speaker 2 Four stepbrothers or four white guys, either one, who aren't related.

Speaker 2 They also have the festival King and Queen,

Speaker 2 which has got to have that there. The perennial marching band powerhouse, Lake Mills High School,

Speaker 2 claimed the Meredith Wilson Grand Champion Award, which is awarded to the high school marching band with the highest overall score. Fucking powerhouse, isn't it? Wow.

Speaker 2 And apparently, if you get invited to this, they reimburse all your travel and all this type of thing. Your whole band can come for free, basically, here.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 NSB Bank took home first place for the quote, Mr. Toot Award.
Mr. Leave.
What? Mr. Toot Award, which I believe you won that just for your gas output one year, didn't you? Wasn't that a...

Speaker 2 That's on your shelf, I believe.

Speaker 2 I showed up with a case of eggs and I was like, I'm crushing all of you. And they were like,

Speaker 2 just cocaine, man. Leveled, brother.
The Mr.

Speaker 2 Toot Award which is presented to the entry with the most originality artistic quality and well-crafted design okay okay crime rate what we're interested in now remember

Speaker 2 panty thieves gangs bestiality so bad you can't let your kid outside he'll be gone in three seconds and dangerous hung upside down skinned in a tree before you know with her panties missing before you even know it crime rate in this town uh the property crime is a little bit high oh it's about one quarter above the national average so there's some property crime.

Speaker 2 That's penny thieving. Now violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault.
Murders are getting close, if you remember. About half the national average.

Speaker 2 It's incredibly safe. It's very safe here.
You guys are out of your mind. Except for your Victoria's Secret.
That's gone. Yep.
The problem they have here mainly is drugs because

Speaker 2 the Midwest and small towns, there's nothing to do.

Speaker 2 Remember that teenager talking? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think he's going to do to try to find something to do? He's either going to get out of here or do drugs, one of the two.

Speaker 2 So that said, let's talk about some murder here. Okay, we have a wild one here.
We have to go back in time, first of all, to Sunday, July 25th, 1993.

Speaker 2 Okay, it is 3 p.m. on a nice Iowa summer day.
It's not a real, real hot day,

Speaker 2 but it's cloudy on and off, might rain. Never know.
Now, by the way, July 25th, 1993, what do you think the number one song on the billboard charts is that day, Jimmy? Was it

Speaker 2 Voice to Men? No, it wasn't. 99?

Speaker 2 It wasn't.

Speaker 2 Was it

Speaker 2 Won't There It Is? No, no, no. That was later.
That was like 96. Was that

Speaker 2 later? Yeah, this is Can't Help Falling in Love by UB40. Oh, wow.
Gosh. Some of them?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I know all their songs, and then they did them again.

Speaker 2 Just do them again.

Speaker 2 By the way, I think that's what Diddy's idea. He saw UB40 and he was like, okay, if a bunch of white dudes with red hair can do remakes of reggae songs

Speaker 2 and do it into reggae, I can do anything. I can remake a Led Zeppelin song and make money off.
I can do whatever the fuck I want. Sting, coming for you.

Speaker 2 And you figured it out. The kind of

Speaker 2 Jamaican swing with their accent, too, right? They're like the house band

Speaker 2 at some bar in the Florida Keys.

Speaker 2 That's what they are.

Speaker 2 A bunch of non-threatening red-haired red-haired dudes playing steel drums and fucking pretending to be reggae.

Speaker 2 Can't help falling in love

Speaker 2 with

Speaker 2 you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they said we

Speaker 2 with you. Yeah, like he's a...

Speaker 2 Same thing with red. Red, red, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's all reggae shit. Yeah, why did they do that?

Speaker 2 That's not how you sing. Nope.

Speaker 2 And so around this time, also, you had Janet Jackson, SWV, and Mariah Carey all have number one heads, too.

Speaker 2 In the theaters, I just find this interesting. In the theaters, number one movie that week was

Speaker 2 In the Line of Fire.

Speaker 2 What was it? In the Line of Fire. Wow, Clint Eastwood's special Secret Service movie.

Speaker 2 Is that not Harrison Ford? No, I think

Speaker 2 this is the one where Clint Eastwood's the Secret Service agent. Okay.
And Jurassic Park, number two. Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's a good one. Cliffhanger, Last Action Hero, Incent of a Woman in there, too.

Speaker 2 What a time to be alive. Wow.
You You got Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Al Pacino, Dinosaurs, and Glenn Eastwood. What a time.
That's wild. Now, back to the day we're talking about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Jeff Goldblum, July 25th, 1993. Back to thou.
Nice summer day, like I said. There's a woman named Marge Milbrath.

Speaker 2 Old Marge here. She's driving to the grocery store, and she drives by her daughter's house.
As you do. As you do.
Her daughter's name is Lori Duncan. She's 31.

Speaker 2 Lori's a single mom, got a couple little girls, got a six-year-old and a 10-year-old. And as she's passing, as Marge is passing by, Lori smiled and waved and said, hi, mom.

Speaker 2 She said, hello, and went on to the grocery store. Now, Lori, we'll talk about her, the daughter here who has two young children.

Speaker 2 She, her parents are Marge and David.

Speaker 2 Lori was in the Navy. She's a Navy veteran.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Honorable discharge and all that sort of thing. She's got her two little little girls now, and she's a single mom, just into raising her kids.
That's what she likes to do.

Speaker 2 Just likes to raise her kids and concentrate on her kids. She works and, you know, raises her kids and that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 And she's from Mason City. She's born and raised in Mason City.
Well, she was born and then stayed here up till now. Well, yeah, absolutely.
Well, yeah, she went to the Navy at first.

Speaker 2 She's a big fan of Elvis. Loves Elvis.
That's her shit. Elvis is her favorite thing in the world.
And she's known for always finding the good in people.

Speaker 2 She can always find something good about somebody. She's a nice lady.
A nice quality that I wish I had. It's very, very nice.

Speaker 2 I wish you could find it in them, but you just don't.

Speaker 2 It's after I've already buried them in the bed of who they are. You've already murdered them in your head.
Yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 2 Now, she has two daughters. One is Candy with a K and an I, by the way.
Oh,

Speaker 2 not your traditional, yeah, not the traditional candy spelling. Not at all.

Speaker 2 She is 10 years old at this point

Speaker 2 and she's in fourth grade, super into kittens and stuff like that. You know, like a fourth grader.
I like kittens and playing outside.

Speaker 2 You know, easy.

Speaker 2 She goes to Hoover Elementary School. And then there's another little girl that she has who's six named Amber.
And she's known as very outspoken and energetic. Everyone calls her a Spitfire.

Speaker 2 That's the word that keeps coming up. She's real into riding her big wheel, as we all are.
If I had a big wheel, I'd be into riding it too. Right now.
Do it today. Fuck.
Today. Yeah.
I want one.

Speaker 2 They've been putting motors on them. I kind of want to do it.

Speaker 2 Well, that's so awesome.

Speaker 2 That would hurt, though. If you're going over three miles an hour, any rock would be like, oh, God, my spine.
Jesus. They just sit on the ground.

Speaker 2 I'm going to pinch a nerve every time I ride. Oh, man.
I swear any back problems we have now can be attributed to big wheel usage at three years old.

Speaker 2 Any cycle that I rode

Speaker 2 up until I was 14. Totally.

Speaker 2 Now, Lori on this day,

Speaker 2 she has a picnic planned for the kids.

Speaker 2 Now, Amber, who's six years old, is playing across the street at a friend's house right here.

Speaker 2 You can see her right there. It's, you know, small town, little street.
And so she's got a picnic planned.

Speaker 2 Now, there's another person who lives in this environment, in this house, who just moved in, just moved in this week, basically.

Speaker 2 That is Gregory Nicholson.

Speaker 2 Is this a love interest? He's 34 years old. Well,

Speaker 2 it kind of starts out that way. Yeah, where it looks like it's kind of like her boyfriend, but he just moved in not based on the fact that

Speaker 2 they're so far in their relationship that he needs to move in. They've actually not known each other very long at all.
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Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 Lori knew that Greg had dealt drugs before and been had a drug problem before. Oh.

Speaker 2 But he said he's in rehab and he's trying to be clean. He's trying to lead a better life and all that, and he has nowhere to live.
So Lori lets him move into the home. With her and her baby.

Speaker 2 Which is a questionable decision from Lori. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 2 she's a good mom and she wants to find good in people, but you got a guy who has been busted and stuff and does drugs and has dealt drugs and now he says he's in rehab.

Speaker 2 You don't bring that person in with your two little girls. That's tough.

Speaker 2 Generally when you're rehabbing, it's more than just weed and it's a pretty serious problem if you've got it if you need adult help. Well, not only that, yeah,

Speaker 2 you need a lot of, well, plus you just don't know how, you don't know this person. Yeah.
So you don't know. And

Speaker 2 it's a severe drug addiction that he needs to be

Speaker 2 guided through it. Yeah, he needs to be in rehab, and it's just, it's a lot.
So, I mean, it's, it's fine to help people, too. Someone's at rehab, they're trying to turn their life around.

Speaker 2 That's great. But I'm just saying, if you have two little girls, you might want to say, okay, you rehab out there.
And when you're clean for a couple of years,

Speaker 2 then let's talk and we'll talk about it then. But, you know, she's trying to help a guy, which is nice.
You know, it's a nice thing to do. She's trying.

Speaker 2 Now, Amber, the six-year-old, she spent a lot of time outside. She plays with a neighbor named Brittany across the street, and she's hanging out with her all the time.

Speaker 2 They play with Barbies and ride the big wheels and do all that kind of thing. So on this particular day, they were splashing on a slip and slide.
So you can't get any more small town America.

Speaker 2 Small town 1993?

Speaker 2 Little girls

Speaker 2 on a slip and slide out in the yard in the middle of July while mom has a picnic across the street waiting. Like, this is so small town America.

Speaker 2 And there's a guy recovering from a meth problem living in the back room.

Speaker 2 This is small town America, everybody.

Speaker 2 So about 3 p.m. comes around, and Amber runs home across this little alley, excited for the picnic.
She goes home to mom.

Speaker 2 She goes, you know, to her house, goes in the house, and Brittany says, waves goodbye to her, and that's that.

Speaker 2 So that's how this goes. Now, the next day, you figure the kids must have had a great night.
Yeah. Yeah.
Nice picnic, nice evening, summer night, you know, nice.

Speaker 2 nice cool summer evening as the sun goes down. But the next day, Marge, Lori's mom, drives by the house again

Speaker 2 and says that the drapes were drawn, which they're never drawn. So like, why the hell are the drapes drawn in the middle of the day?

Speaker 2 And the cars near the house were parked, as she put it, chaotically. They weren't parked lined up straight, which is very unlike her daughter.

Speaker 2 Her daughter's a military person, so the beds are made and the cars are lined up correctly. They're always parked correctly.
She likes symmetry, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 She said, you know, maybe she was in a rush and came in and, you know, was in and out. Who knows what she's doing? So she left it alone.
She said, later on, though,

Speaker 2 now Marge and her husband drove by, and everything was the same. And they're like, okay, now this isn't right.
Still chaos?

Speaker 2 Still chaotic. Drape still drawn.
Looks like nothing's moved, which is not the way it happens in this.

Speaker 2 You know, Lori's got stuff to do. Kids have places to go.

Speaker 2 So now they're convinced something was wrong.

Speaker 2 So they decide to let themselves in. They have a key.
Okay. They go up, they let themselves in, they open the door, nothing in there.

Speaker 2 No people. No people.
Everything's fine.

Speaker 2 It's not like on this show, you expect they open the door and there's an arm swinging around the ceiling fan and there's somebody's brain is in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 No, it's just quiet. There's no people are here.
No lorry, no amber, no candy. No kids.
No kids. All the stuff is in the house.
Nothing's moved. Nothing's been touched.

Speaker 2 The stuff's remote controls on the coffee table.

Speaker 2 Everything looks fine.

Speaker 2 Food and small. It's two small kids and everything's still where it goes.

Speaker 2 goes everything's still where it goes yeah so there's there's no signs of anything there's no like nothing's broken knocked over there's no blood uh there is a dinner unfinished on the kitchen table just one just a dinner is set up oh okay okay gotcha a dinner dinner yeah yeah not a plate of dinner an event of dinner is unfinished yeah there's dinner has happened uh but they we don't they don't know if it's that day's dinner or what yeah if they you know left it um they said you know it looks like they go into lori's room it looks like you know maybe like a couple of things are gone.

Speaker 2 Like maybe Lori, it looks like she packed to go for a night maybe or something.

Speaker 2 That's it. And then there's a note to a neighbor.
Okay. And it said, Phyllis had to leave on short notice.
Will be in touch shortly. Love Lori.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. So now they're like, why wouldn't she tell us that she's leaving? Why is she leaving a note for Phyllis? Why didn't she call her mom? She knew I'd be worried.
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 So she says, oh, I guess they left. I don't know.
I guess she'll be back soon, according to her note. It's in Lori's handwriting and everything.
So she goes, all right, well, that seems legit.

Speaker 2 And there's that.

Speaker 2 The problem is they never come back.

Speaker 2 Not soon. They never come back.

Speaker 2 No, the mom, Marge, she ends up putting her missing persons report because they can't, they're just disappeared into thin air. They left.

Speaker 2 We'll be back shortly, and they never come back.

Speaker 2 Very strange stuff. Just commercials all day now.
Milk cartons everywhere. That's how it works.
Now, let's talk about a young man now here,

Speaker 2 Dustin Lee Honkin, H-O-N-K-E-N, Honkin. That is honking.
He's honking all right. Now, Dustin's 24 in 1993.

Speaker 2 He is originally from Britt, Iowa, which is outside the Mason City area, out in the more rural area there.

Speaker 2 Pretty small town. He has an interesting background, Dustin.
His father, Jim, is a fucking drunken lunatic. Oh.
And I mean a drunken lunatic who's a criminal and does wild shit.

Speaker 2 And not even your basic criminal. Like, you know what I mean? He's not like a guy.
I got busted with drugs.

Speaker 2 He robs banks and shit. He's nuts.
Oh, wow. Totally different type of deal.
He has two sons. He's got Dustin and he's got Jeff as another son here.

Speaker 2 And he's got a sister also named Alice Nelson.

Speaker 2 That's a sister's name. One word.
That's the first name? A-L-Y-S-N-E-L-S-O-N.

Speaker 2 Alice Nelson. Couldn't decide between Allison and Nelson, so you're Alice Nelson.
Wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Real weird. Now, Dustin is the younger brother, and he is a fucking nerd.
Really? Oh, boy, is he a nerd. I mean, he's a little skinny blonde kid with freckles and big glasses.

Speaker 2 He loves books. Yeah, he is like the kid who got attacked by fucking bees in that My Girl movie.
That's what he looks like. He's a goddamn nerd, this kid.
He's skinny. He's real skinny, too.

Speaker 2 So he's really just a lanky kid. Everybody says he looks like he is

Speaker 2 getting ready to try out for like revenge of the nerds into the next generation. Like that's what he looks like.
He's like a stereotypical nerd, basically.

Speaker 2 Freckles and big glasses and the whole deal. So he...

Speaker 2 He's also very smart, too. Oh.
Which, if you're going to look like a nerd, at least get good grades. That's the worst.
Yeah, just, yeah.

Speaker 2 Those kids who look like nerds and have big glasses and are skinny and goofy and are dumb, they have their

Speaker 2 goddamn thing. I'm cheating at you, you fucker.
Figure it out.

Speaker 2 I saw the glasses. I figured you knew what you were doing.
What the hell? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I just have bad eyesight. I'm not smart.
That's what the howdy-duty cosplay if you're not smart, you son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 So now he's into math and science and was a pretty good writer, too, but math and science are his main deals.

Speaker 2 When he graduates from high school, he earns a scholarship to the North Iowa Area Community College.

Speaker 2 That's all. Say that again.

Speaker 2 North Iowa Area Community College. This is the community of the North Iowa area.
That's what this is.

Speaker 2 That's 1991. There's a lot of towns.
That's a lot of stuff there. He dreamed of being a pharmaceutical lawyer, which I didn't know was a job.
Is that a job? I guess you'd have to.

Speaker 2 A lawyer for a pharmaceutical company.

Speaker 2 How many lawsuits is he figuring they're getting? So specific. I don't know, but it's not like he had Google to look it up and go, ooh, pharmaceutical lawyers, they make a lot of money.

Speaker 2 Like, he must have pulled that out of his ass. Now, the family business is a little different than pharmaceutical lawyering or, you know, math or science or anything like that.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 this is interesting. His father,

Speaker 2 after Dustin graduates high school his father convinces him some I don't know if Dustin got like a part-time job there or if he knew somebody and could kind of be get around the building and be comfortable but he convinced Dustin to steal a key to the local bank and copy it Dustin then his father robbed the bank using the key yeah

Speaker 2 that's how that works

Speaker 2 yeah well he just wanted to go in and decorate for Christmas he like just in case you get locked in son you can call me and I can get you out. He wanted to go in and decorate the tree a little better.

Speaker 2 That's all. He's like, this place, they don't go all out, and I'd like them to.
I'm going to fill up. I'm going to put the Hanukkah thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Putting a menorah up, too, just so everyone feels included. Now,

Speaker 2 the second bank robbery that happens, because that's the first one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. The second one, the second time his dad robs a bank, his dad gets busted and ends up in prison.

Speaker 2 for bank robbery, where he would, his sons would visit him all the time, Jeff and Dustin, and he would tell them, oh, man, he would just give them stories of his criminal exploits.

Speaker 2 And this is what I'm doing in here, and I got a scam set up over here, and I got a scam set up here. I got something going on the outside.
What is it, 1843 on the Dusty Trail? And you got

Speaker 2 stories to tell? That's what he does, though. This guy, he brags to his sons about how much of a criminal he is.
What the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 I don't, obviously, it's not like he's saying, you know, do as I say, not as I do. He's having them steal keys for him.
So he's just

Speaker 2 initiating them into a life of crime, which is ridiculous. Making them an accomplice.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he's saying, and if you look up to your dad and your dad's telling you, this is what I'm doing and it's great, you go, well, maybe I should be doing that.

Speaker 2 Now, before he starts at the North Iowa area community college,

Speaker 2 he needs money. Yeah.
Because his dad's in jail and he's doing all this. And this shit ain't free.
He starts selling a little bit of weed and a little bit of coke

Speaker 2 on the side here, which is, I can understand that. Just a little subsistence just to get by, pay the rent.
A little bit there, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and he's starting to build a list of customers as he goes because he's also a nerd, so he's pretty efficient at doing shit like this, which is

Speaker 2 interesting here.

Speaker 2 Then he goes to a year of his community college, very into chemistry. That's his main deal.

Speaker 2 Got an A in chemistry. Yeah.
All about that. And he has an idea.
He's like, huh. Pseudo-Fed and battery acid.

Speaker 2 I know chemistry and I know people who like drugs and will buy them from them yeah i should make my own this is the very first uh breaking bad i was gonna say this story by the way i didn't want to give it away but this story when you hear the whole thing you're gonna go so dude just copied this story and made breaking bad that's crazy basically essentially and put cancer into it instead of this what's going on but i mean it's a reason to do it when you yeah to make him a protagonist instead of just a drug-dealing asshole when you're likable yeah when you hear the whole story, you're going to go, oh my God, this is breaking bad.

Speaker 2 That's what happened. It's crazy.
So he said, yes, I can do this. He goes, and I can manufacture and distribute.
I don't have to buy it for a, you know. No middleman.

Speaker 2 No middleman, especially by the time the drugs get to Iowa, the price has been jacked up quite a bit. Sure.
It's not like you're waiting on the dock for them or something. So he said, I can do this.

Speaker 2 And why work for somebody else? I could be my own boss. This is great.

Speaker 2 Dad always told me, be your own boss.

Speaker 2 Get out there and be somebody. Don't make somebody else's profit.

Speaker 2 Don't be frontline. Be CEO.
Absolutely. So he's got a friend named Tim Cutcomp, C-U-T-K-O-M-P, Cut Comp.

Speaker 2 That is his best friend since childhood, Dustin's best friend. Now they decide after a year of college and chemistry, let's move to Arizona to make meth.

Speaker 2 And then we can sell it back here in Iowa and get rich.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's very easy to do that out in the desert of Arizona. And that's what they do.

Speaker 2 They get a place outside Tucson, which if you know anything about Arizona, you can do anything you want out there. No one cares.
There's nothing going on.

Speaker 2 They've been best friends since the first grade, by the way.

Speaker 2 Now, he is, I guess,

Speaker 2 Dustin, as kind of nerdy and he's kind of a temperamental guy as well. Cut comp looks up to him like with wide-eyed admiration.

Speaker 2 He thinks that Dustin's like a tough guy and someone who'll always protect him and have his back. Well, how much of a pussy is he? How much of a nerd is he? That's what I mean.
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 So either way, they're in this endeavor together. They share the profits and everything else.
But everybody knows that Dustin is in charge, period.

Speaker 2 He's the leader of the crew here, no matter what. King pin, James.
King pin. Well, to get started, he borrowed $5,000 from his brother Jeff.
Dustin does.

Speaker 2 And they bought chemicals and equipment and started working and experimenting in his brother Jeff's kitchen on making meth. Holy shit!

Speaker 2 I mean, imagine you were gonna like make jarred soup, you'd really have to experiment for a while and you know, try different methods and batches.

Speaker 2 And this one needs more sugar, and this one needs more suitafed.

Speaker 2 The brewery until you get the

Speaker 2 recipe perfect. Yeah, you perfect and you do that in your garage.
You know what I mean? You don't just start mass-producing the shit. Right.

Speaker 2 So within a year, they moved to a secluded house south of Tucson, out in the desert somewhere. God dang.

Speaker 2 South of Tucson. South of Tucson, which I was like, that's Mexico.
There's nothing else south of this.

Speaker 2 And that's, yeah, I guess that's sort of south, but it's also off. It's a mess anyway.

Speaker 2 So they get together a sophisticated meth cooking setup, and they produce several pounds of methamphetamine at a time. Wow.

Speaker 2 I'm doing well here, which they would send it back to northeast Iowa and have it sold there. Sure.

Speaker 2 They have two mules that do this for them, that take the shit to Iowa and sell it for them, guys they can trust. One is a guy named Terry DeGuise, or DeGuise, D-E-G-U-E-S.
So you're

Speaker 2 degues, deguise, whatever it is. He's 32 at the time.
He's a heavy equipment operator who works for his father and also runs meth back from Arizona to Iowa, sells it.

Speaker 2 Probably has a pretty good addiction, yeah? Yep, sends back the profits.

Speaker 2 The other is a guy named Greg Nicholson.

Speaker 2 Now, Greg Nicholson is the man that Lori Duncan allowed

Speaker 2 into her home

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 he had a meth problem and was in rehab. So that's where he comes in, Greg Nicholson.
Now, he is the other guy who goes back and forth.

Speaker 2 Now, Dustin is really into this. He looks at this business like he started a real business.
Yeah, because he did.

Speaker 2 He might might as well have started like a barber shop or something where he's like, no, no, no, the chairs are going to, we're going to have magazines and then we're going to have screens.

Speaker 2 We'll have screens in the mirrors built in. You ever been to a hotel room, in the bathroom? They got screens in there.
That's what we're going to do. It's going to be awesome.

Speaker 2 That way the guys can watch stuff and

Speaker 2 chairs.

Speaker 2 A little bit of glitter in the vinyl. You never know.
You never know.

Speaker 2 But it's red with the glitter. That's how you do it.
Just so they know it's fancy, fancy. Yeah, it's got to be like a 50s.

Speaker 2 Soda shot.

Speaker 2 Soda shot.

Speaker 2 Ooh, ooh, shave, shave, shave, shaves. We got to do close shaves, straight razor shaves.
We'll get foamy shit. Foamy lather.
We'll foam the guys up. Cut it.
Hot lather. Ah, that's it.
Hot lather.

Speaker 2 Hot lather.

Speaker 2 That's what he's doing, though, because he's also on that. So

Speaker 2 he's studying chemistry textbooks at the local library, reading science journals.

Speaker 2 He keeps like very good business records.

Speaker 2 He could open a real business. That's what's so annoying about this.

Speaker 2 This is unnecessary. So he keeps really good records.
He makes plans to expand his business onto the internet when the internet, because this is the very beginning of the internet.

Speaker 2 He thinks that there's just going to be meth sites?

Speaker 2 He's right. There is.
Is there a meth site? Absolutely. The dark web, you can buy anything you want on there.
He knows that. And especially back then.

Speaker 2 I thought you just meant like meth.com or something. No, no, chat rooms and shit.
Obviously, they can't have a, you know. You can't have a meth site.
No, like that.

Speaker 2 But I mean, there was a way to do this on the web. And he was thinking about it in 1993 when all people were doing was, you know, chatting in rooms and trying to fuck each other and jerking off.

Speaker 2 He was figuring out how to word this properly on Craigslist.

Speaker 2 Before Craigslist, he's like, Dustin's list I need to make, and then I can put ads up for whatever I want here. Yeah, this is that kind of time.
So he is making plans to do that.

Speaker 2 He's even mulling over whether to write a how-to book on producing and selling meth in America. Oh, sir.

Speaker 2 What are you doing? No. Why would you want other people?

Speaker 2 Okay, I could see if if you could sell 10 million copies of it, then that's your new job. But how many people are like, oh, I'd like to buy and sell meth in America?

Speaker 2 How many people are going to buy this book? You know, Apple,

Speaker 2 and have the wherewithal. And we're going to make this iPhone and

Speaker 2 then we don't have to buy them anymore. It makes no sense here.
But I mean, what's the market for a how-to book on producing and selling meth? What's the market for that?

Speaker 2 I don't see anybody wanting that unless they have a meth addiction and then they don't sell it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, and then they just steal it anyway.
They're still not going to buy it.

Speaker 2 No one's going to buy this shit.

Speaker 2 So a few runs just to Iowa back and forth nets them hundreds of thousands of dollars. Really?

Speaker 2 They're making big money because the meth is free, basically, and then they're taking it to the middle of the country where it's expensive and offloading.

Speaker 2 And they have tons of buy. They can't make the meth fast enough to sell it.
This is before the restraints on cough medicine and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, they can get as much as you want.

Speaker 2 They can make as much of this shit as they want. Plus, if you're in Tucson, you can just go to Mexico and get it for half the price, which is why they're in Mexico.

Speaker 2 Why they're in Tucson, so they can get shit cheaper in Mexico, too. Smart.
So they can do that. Yeah, it's cheaper than having to, you know, go to Iowa.

Speaker 2 So the problem is, he's also super into meth as he gets it going. He starts doing a bunch of meth, which is an issue.
And

Speaker 2 that makes him really obsessive about the whole business.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Not unreliable, obsessive.
Oh. His detail-orientated detail-orientated nature becomes

Speaker 2 psychotic and detail-oriented. And he's just, everything needs to be perfect.
And he wants success. And if we're doing it this much, if we did it this much more, we could make even more money.

Speaker 2 All right. He starts getting obsessed here.
And on one of the trips back to Iowa, he meets a woman who shares his entire

Speaker 2 ambition, love of meth, and love of money, and also, you know,

Speaker 2 lack of compassion for anything else here. This is Angela Johnson.

Speaker 2 She's 29, so a few years older than him. They're going to hook up here.
Eventually, they're going to have a kid together and everything.

Speaker 2 Now, a little bit about Angela's background, because it is wild. Okay.

Speaker 2 She's got a mom named Pearl. She's got four siblings, Wendy, Holly, Jimmy, and Jamie Joe.
Jamie Joe. Jamie Joe.
They got a Jimmy and a Jamie Joe. Jamie Joe is a...
I've never heard that one.

Speaker 2 Me neither. I feel like they had to add the Joe just so they wouldn't mix up Jimmy and Jamie all the time.
Well, they were called. Jamie Joe, Jimmy, get over here.

Speaker 2 Did she say Jimmy Joe?

Speaker 2 Maybe. Who knows? Yeah.
I don't know if it's a boy or a girl. Jamie Joe.
Oh, right. Yeah.
Well, Jamie Joe goes for both, I suppose. That's it.
It works.

Speaker 2 Now, she's from Forest City.

Speaker 2 She's a nice-looking lady, has dark hair and big lot of hair.

Speaker 2 She is very attracted to him. I'm not sure if she's attracted to Dustin because he's got just a house full of meth or not.
But either way, she was dating DeGeese or DeGeis or whatever his name is.

Speaker 2 When Dustin meets her, that's her boyfriend. Oh.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we'll talk about that. But Johnson grew up in a very interesting environment, we'll talk about here.

Speaker 2 Raised single parent by Pearl, who was extremely emotionally unstable, mom was,

Speaker 2 subjected the kids to fasting practices. That's starvation.
That's weird.

Speaker 2 Long periods of abandonment and physical detachment, occasional physical abuse, and

Speaker 2 not good, basically, the things they do. There's even more, but eventually, Angela ends up just having a string of awful men that she goes.
Every guy she goes out with is worse than the last one.

Speaker 2 They're abusive. They're on drugs.
They're criminals.

Speaker 2 And she had a terrible mother. Oh, it gets worse.

Speaker 2 She was psychologically abused the most, more than physical, although she was physically abused.

Speaker 2 When she was a child, when she was bad, her mother and other adults

Speaker 2 would sit her down and engage in exorcisms on her. Exorcisms? Torture a child because they said that she's got the devil in her because she's misbehaving.

Speaker 2 They would cast out spirits and do other weird religious practices to her.

Speaker 2 She was also molested at one point here.

Speaker 2 I guess her family went to spend time with this other family in Kansas when she was nine years old, and she was sexually abused and fondled by a guy named Ted Dillow. Ted Dillow.
Nice Ted.

Speaker 2 That's what she claims.

Speaker 2 Her grandparents were even more religious than mom. Wow.

Speaker 2 And they were known to hold her down, wave Bibles over her, and speak in tongues as well.

Speaker 2 So imagine if you're a kid and your grandparents are holding you down, telling you you're possessed by demons and they're speaking in tongues screaming at you and that's a happy saturday because at home there's people that are molesting me yeah well no that was one summer this is all the time yeah that was one visit to Kansas got her molested but this is a whole other time either way this is horrifying

Speaker 2 that's a lot but

Speaker 2 now she

Speaker 2 she gets into the whole you know meth thing here and said at first it was about the money, but unfortunately later it turned into wanting methamphetamine. Oh boy.
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 Now March of 1993, everything's going great for Dustin and his whole, you know, he's got a whole operation. Yeah, sure.
It's going great.

Speaker 2 The problem is that neither he nor his buddy there, who's working for him,

Speaker 2 neither he or

Speaker 2 Comcop or whatever his name is,

Speaker 2 neither of those guys know that there's somebody in their team got busted and has been informing on them. Oh, shit.
Which is not good. One of their deals.

Speaker 2 They didn't even take that into account as a possibility. Never thought about it.
No, they thought everything's going great.

Speaker 2 One of them had turned on him and wore a wire even to a meetup with them and recorded Dustin making a $3,000 deal for a future meth pickup.

Speaker 2 So the cops end up going to Dustin's Mason City home, which is at 1104 16th Street Northeast, which I looked it up. Here's a picture of it.

Speaker 2 It's one one of those houses that looks like it's always having a yard sale. Yeah.
Because all of their shit's outside. Doesn't look positive.
How much is that?

Speaker 2 It is a two-bedroom, one-bath, 832-square-foot house for $66,000. Okay, yeah, massive.
And it's what it looks like. And there's way too many cars for how big it is.
There's two bedrooms and six cars.

Speaker 2 It's too much. A lot of shit outside.
A lot of shit outside. Furniture and weird stuff like that.
Now,

Speaker 2 so they end up, Dustin and Cutcomp end up getting arrested in March of 1993 on what is at first state drug charges,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 it's going to expand to a federal charge when they realize it's not just in Iowa.

Speaker 2 The police arrested him and in Dustin's pocket they found a note listing money owed to Dustin.

Speaker 2 He's keeping his tally, his fucking

Speaker 2 his tally with him.

Speaker 2 Wow. Just on his person all day.

Speaker 2 And these were individuals referred to as G-Man and T-Man,

Speaker 2 which is Terry and Greg Nicholson. Yeah.
These two dealers.

Speaker 2 What happens when he meets a guy named Todd?

Speaker 2 Well, Todd doesn't work for him.

Speaker 2 If he hires one, you know what I mean? Well, then it's got to be T-O and

Speaker 2 T-E-Man at that point. What a pain in the ass.
A receipt for the purchase of chemicals was found in Cut Comp's pocket as well, which is not good either.

Speaker 2 After Dustin was arrested, the brother Jeff disposed of items from Dustin's drug lab that he had kept in one of Jeff's storage sheds.

Speaker 2 So he had like, you know, backup drug lab shit there. Oh, this is my backup meth lab in case something happens to this one.

Speaker 2 So Jeff throws all that shit out so he doesn't get arrested too.

Speaker 2 Now, while preparing for trial, This is like the wire. Remember in the wire, I think it's season two when they bust Avon and he's got all that weapons and grenades and shit around him.

Speaker 2 And fucking McNulty puts the warrant in front of his face and he goes, This is going to give you something to think on here. And it says the informant and it says Russell Stringer Bell on there.

Speaker 2 And he's like, Oh shit, that's what he does here. Basically, they show him the warrant and they go, Look at that.
And that tickles you a little bit, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 And they said the prosecution source for all this is Nicholson, his dealer,

Speaker 2 and Lori's new housemate. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 So Nicholson testifies before a federal federal grand jury in April, and the grand jury indicts Dustin for conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine, and the state charges are dismissed, and now they are federal charges.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Which carry way more time and are

Speaker 2 a lot easier to get convicted on.

Speaker 2 Nicholson had agreed to cooperate with law enforcement and told agents that Dustin had supplied him with several pounds of methamphetamine over a period of 10 to 11 months, for which he paid Dustin a total of approximately $100,000.

Speaker 2 Wow. On March 21st, 93, Nicholson met with Dustin to deliver drug proceeds.

Speaker 2 During their conversation, which was monitored by police because Nicholson was wired, they discussed past and future deliveries of meth. Just expose the entire operation in one conversation.

Speaker 2 So that here.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 when he sees this, Dustin sees, oh shit, my main guy ratted me out. He tells the judge that he's going to plead guilty to to the drug charges.
I'm obviously fucked. You have my whole operation.

Speaker 2 He's not stupid, Dustin. He knows that he's screwed here.
If they have Nicholson testifying, he's done.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And you've got a lot more than you're going to tell me you have.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So during June and July of 1993, he's out on bail.

Speaker 2 So he and Angela Johnson go looking for Nicholson. Oh, boy.
who they can't find him. He is not in any kind of protection or anything.

Speaker 2 They just can't find him because he has moved in with Lori Duncan, and they don't know Lori Duncan, so they don't know where to find him, which is why he's living there. He's hiding, basically.

Speaker 2 So they're searching for him, often asking Angela Johnson's friend Christy to babysit Johnson's daughter while they looked. Angela Johnson says, We're going to drive around.

Speaker 2 We've got to look for a guy who's ratting on the meth empire that we have going on. We're going to go kill him, and then we'll deal with our kid here, or my kid.

Speaker 2 On July 7th, 1993, Angela Johnson purchased a 9-millimeter handgun about five miles from her house as well. She has no criminal record or anything, Angela.

Speaker 2 Now, Lori, back to Lori Duncan, she had no idea that Nicholson, A, was still involved in drugs at all, or B, that he is hiding out in her house after informing on his meth suppliers to the federal authorities.

Speaker 2 See, I felt a little beside myself about Lori allowing him there because she's got the two kids, but he should feel like a piece of shit for allowing himself to stay there with two children in the house.

Speaker 2 I don't think morals are really his big deal. He's a meth dealer.
Touche.

Speaker 2 I'll allow it.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 I don't want to come down. I don't want your kids to have a bad childhood.
He's a meth dealer, for Christ's sake.

Speaker 2 He should certainly consider that, though, being that these little girls had nothing to fucking do with this, and people might be willing to hurt him. He's considering

Speaker 2 I'm using people, so I don't. Yeah.
You know what I mean? I'm spratting on my friends and then hiding out here, putting these people in danger. I don't care.
I'll sell people poison.

Speaker 2 I don't give a fuck. It doesn't matter.
That's a great point. Yeah.
Yeah, whatever. He doesn't care.
It's funny.

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Speaker 2 So, Lori had no idea about this. Earlier in 1993, Mason City Police found nearly 150 grams of pure meth and $5,000 cash in Nicholson's house.
That's how this all started.

Speaker 2 They busted him. They said, we'll put you back out on the street if you wear a wire for us.
He said, no problem. Easy.

Speaker 2 So he's facing a lengthy prison sentence. That's why he cooperated.

Speaker 2 Now, according to his ex-wife, Greg Nicholson became extremely paranoid. His ex-wife, Leslie, said that he would not let her go outside or even stay too long near the windows.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Because someone might see her or someone might shoot her because they're after him, even though they didn't know he flipped. But he's on meth and paranoid.
And that's what happens.

Speaker 2 Now, she knew, she said that she knew her husband occasionally used drugs, but she didn't realize that he was selling them and using them every day. That's what she says.

Speaker 2 She thought that Dustin and Greg were discussing instruments or equipment for her husband's band.

Speaker 2 They're just going to play in a band. They're talking about like pickups for the guitar and shit like that.
You know, what kind of pedals are you using?

Speaker 2 Do you get a good like out of that or is it more like a high-pitched How's it work there? Like that's what they're talking about. What kind of drum heads do you like?

Speaker 2 You know, I prefer the Zildjian, but a lot of people like the, you know, like those. Those Evans are real nice.
That's what I mean. You know,

Speaker 2 you never know here. I mean, the crash, the ride, you go only Zildjian.
That's the thing. And you got to go 18-inch, too.

Speaker 2 22 if you can get it, honestly.

Speaker 2 So that's what's going on. She thinks that

Speaker 2 when standing outside fucking talking to each other all quietly in the driveway, that that's about musical instruments, not about meth deals.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I believe her.

Speaker 2 Anyway, she said Dustin told him that if he needed to, he could have Greg or anybody else taken out for 50 bucks. Uh-huh.
50 bucks? 50 bucks is all it would take. Probably in some meth, I would say.

Speaker 2 Get him good and methed up, and then 50 bucks and more meth.

Speaker 2 Now, this woman breaks up with Greg right after Greg is arrested, Nicholson. So that's why he has nowhere to go, which is why he ends up at Lori's house.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now, July 24th, 1993, the day before Lori and the kids disappear,

Speaker 2 Dustin and Angela Johnson ask the babysitter again to babysit Johnson's daughter, and they also borrow this woman's car so that they could go search for Nicholson. This is on a daily thing.

Speaker 2 You watch the kids, and they go out and just drive around and look for Greg Nicholson.

Speaker 2 He's got to be around here somewhere.

Speaker 2 Now, they would normally return about midnight from these expeditions, but on this occasion, they didn't come home till about five in the morning.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's a long night. Long night of looking.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 That is July 24th. They took them and came back that night.
Now, July 25th is the night, is the day that Greg, Lori, Amber, and Candy all disappear. Oh.
The next day.

Speaker 2 A few days later, by the way, this is at the July 30th. This is the day that Dustin is supposed to plead guilty based on the information Greg gave.

Speaker 2 He shows up at court and says, I don't think I'm going to plead guilty anymore. I think I'm just going to go ahead and fight this.
He said, I don't think you have the witnesses.

Speaker 2 He told his attorney that there was a rumor that Nicholson had taken off and skipped town, so he doesn't think he's

Speaker 2 going to be testifying against him. Then he gives his attorney a VHS tape.
Oh, watch this video. On this VHS.

Speaker 2 Yes, on this VHS tape is Barney's greatest hits. And he's like, why are you showing me this? He's like, well, it's 1993.
I really feel like you should know this. Do you have kids? No.

Speaker 2 He gives him a VHS tape of UB40's greatest hits. That's what

Speaker 2 red, red wine. Red, red wine's on it, and everything else.
Fucking

Speaker 2 it's Nicholson, a tape of Nicholson saying Dustin was not guilty of these charges against him and that he had made up everything he said to get himself out of trouble.

Speaker 2 It's a recanting of all that he'd done before. It's a videotape of Nicholson sitting in his living room giving this, in Laurie Duncan's living room giving this speech, okay?

Speaker 2 Not guilty. Now,

Speaker 2 the judge has no,

Speaker 2 after a while here,

Speaker 2 they has no choice but to, they don't have a case anymore. They have one witness.
That's the case.

Speaker 2 And they need him to verify everything. You got to have the witness.
So

Speaker 2 that's kind of in limbo now. Then on November 3rd, 1993, Terry DeGeese or DeGeis or whatever, their other drug dealer here, he's reported missing on November 5th, 1993.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they basically had the government was still looking into Dustin, trying to find avenues to get in without Nicholson as a witness, but now they were turning to DeGeese and trying to bust him, basically, and get him to flip.

Speaker 2 Dustin had told his friend CutComp that he was worried about DeGeese testifying against him. Oh.

Speaker 2 Dustin believed DeGeese had been subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury, just like Nicholson was.

Speaker 2 So on this day of November 5th, DeGeese drops his 10-year-old daughter off at his mother's house and told his mother that he was going to meet his former girlfriend, Angela Johnson. Oh.

Speaker 2 Yes, DeGeese said he would return shortly to pick up his daughter, and he never came back.

Speaker 2 But we know that he was supposed to go out and meet Angela Johnson like in the middle of nowhere somewhere. So weird.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Now, early 1994,

Speaker 2 okay,

Speaker 2 while cleaning a bedroom closet,

Speaker 2 Gabats is the woman's name. She's the woman

Speaker 2 that Angela Johnson keeps leaving her kid with and borrowed her car and does all that. Gaubats.

Speaker 2 Now she discovers a large black handgun with an attached silencer in a cosmetics bag belonging to Angela Johnson, her makeup bag. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was looking for that blue eyeshadow I love so much, but I found this instead. I found my nine millimeter with a suppressor.
Why would a silencer? Is that legal there? It can't be, right?

Speaker 2 That's federally illegal. Who knows? I don't know.
Who knows?

Speaker 2 Silencers? Yeah, I don't see it. It can't be legal in fucking Iowa, right? I doubt it.
Not outside of a range, probably. Unless you have a tax stamp, but something.
I don't know how it works.

Speaker 2 93, especially. 93.
Oh, we made it.

Speaker 2 We still had gun laws. Like, you couldn't buy a machine gun in 1993.
No. No.
We had assault weapons bans back then. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's that's when they put them in. The Brady bill was passed and all that shit.

Speaker 2 So Gabbatz calls

Speaker 2 Angela Johnson to say, you got to get this gun out of my house. I don't want this gun in my house.
Johnson said, hey, don't worry about the gun. Dustin will take care of it.
Oh, really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I want to put him involved in this, too. So just so you know.
Now, that winter, Dustin went to CutComp, and the two of them destroyed

Speaker 2 a large black pistol.

Speaker 2 They used a torch to cut and melt the gun into a number of unrecognizable pieces,

Speaker 2 which they drove way out to the middle of nowhere and threw pieces in different ditches along county roads hours away in the middle of Iowa, never to be found again.

Speaker 2 Just a hunk, irrecognizable hunk of metal sitting in a ditch somewhere. No one cares.
Fascinating. It's a wild way to do it.

Speaker 2 March of 1995, the drug charges against Dustin are dismissed because Greg Nicholson cannot be found.

Speaker 2 And recant? Yeah. That's it.
Dismissed.

Speaker 2 So that's against Dustin and CutComp are dropped. And so they said, awesome.
Let's rebuild our meth empire. Sure.
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they did it. They landed a job packing.
This is a crazy thing. It sounds like a joke almost.

Speaker 2 It sounds like I'm saying they're packing fudge, but they're not.

Speaker 2 They're packing pudding. They're making pudding cups, I think.
Yeah. That sounds awesome.
I want to make pudding cups. Packing pudding.
Oh, they're packing some pudding at a local factory.

Speaker 2 And they would also at night cook meth. Sure.
They had a garage lab that they set up.

Speaker 2 Now, it was, I guess it was CutComp's idea to restart the drug business, according to Dustin.

Speaker 2 Dustin says this later on, quote, I had a good job and everything. I had kids to think about, which, by the way, by now he's got a kid with Angela Johnson.
Oh, she's, of course,

Speaker 2 of course he does. I had kids to think about.
I just didn't want to get back into it. But Tim's sitting there saying, I need the money.

Speaker 2 You know, I need the money back out of this. And I'm his best friend.
So I,

Speaker 2 you know, and I know it was a huge mistake, but I said I'd help him out as much as I could.

Speaker 2 So Dustin agreed to set up the meth lab in the garage of his home at 1104 16th Street, Northeast in Mason City, which is the same place that he had done it before.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Now, February 7th, 1996, cops execute a search warrant at his home and seize the lab again.
Uh-oh. They know you're doing it.
Stop. It's a small town.

Speaker 2 Stop cooking meth there in the same house that you cooked it before. They know what you're doing.
You fucking. They're on to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So how'd they find out about this meth lab? Besides obviously

Speaker 2 there's a guy named Dan Cobine, C-O-B-E-E-N.

Speaker 2 And in early 1996,

Speaker 2 Dan Cobine, they took on as a third partner.

Speaker 2 Now, they didn't know that at the time, Cobine was currently, at the time they took him on, cooperating with the government in its investigation of Dustin and CutComp.

Speaker 2 That leads to the raid of the home and everything else. And CutComp said they both tried to destroy evidence located at the home of Honkin's two different girlfriends as well, of Dustin's girlfriends.

Speaker 2 Now, Dustin,

Speaker 2 he says, you know, they didn't know Cobine was a confidential informant,

Speaker 2 but he said, I didn't want to make that that stuff, Dustin said. No? No, it was bad.
It's evil, man. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 He said, I can honestly say that, and that's why Mr. Cobine came into the picture.
I figured he could help Mr. Kumpkopf, Cut Comp, take over my part.
Tim was upset, meaning cut comp.

Speaker 2 I mean really upset. He didn't trust the guy, but it was the money that made him upset.
We were going to go 50-50, and with three guys, it would be a third and a third

Speaker 2 and a third of a third. So three guys, you get a third.
I finally told Tim that Mr.

Speaker 2 Cobine could have half of my share, so it was going to be 25, 25, 50, and Tim was going to get his 50% cut confidence. Right.
Yeah. So, that's the way it works.

Speaker 2 February 7th, 1996 is the search of the meth lab of Honkins house there.

Speaker 2 They seize a methamphetamine laboratory with chemicals and equipment, as well as paper notes and books on manufacturing drugs, and books on how to bind and gag prisoners as well. Oh, weird.

Speaker 2 Mixed in with the, you know,

Speaker 2 with the how to make meth shit and stuff like that, chemistry books. Now, April of 1996 is when they are officially arrested,

Speaker 2 Comp and Dustin Honkin, for meth trafficking. This is from, they said from 93 to 96.
So

Speaker 2 it's after they arrested them the first time. to now because those charges are all gone because

Speaker 2 whatever. So

Speaker 2 this, by the way, the arrest comes on the same day that the White House announces a national strategy to fight meth.

Speaker 2 So I think this might have been a

Speaker 2 federal, we're going to do a bunch of stuff today.

Speaker 2 So they're arrested and charged in federal court.

Speaker 2 Dustin said he believed that Cobine was not the confidential informant at the time. He was telling CutComp, it's not him, it's somebody else.

Speaker 2 He said, I just kept saying, it's not Cobine, it's not Cobine. I'm telling you, it's not him.
Just chill out. He was telling CutComp.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He said, so CutComp's detention hearing was a couple days before mine, and he comes back and he says, I told you it was Cobine, man, because then they have to reveal the source.

Speaker 2 He said, I felt awful. I'm the one that brought him in, and Tim didn't want it, and now he's the one that's the confidential informant.
So he felt like I brought the whole real Donny Brasco and left.

Speaker 2 You are fucked. Yeah.
You're the one sitting there going, oh, no. What did I do? I got cancer to prick.

Speaker 2 It's in the record books. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Cancer to prick.

Speaker 2 Leave my rings and shit at home now. I got to leave my rings and all my jewelry at home.
What am I going to do with that?

Speaker 2 Donnie boy, what are you doing to me now?

Speaker 2 Ah, come on.

Speaker 2 So they...

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'd buy a boat.
Yeah. I'd buy a boat.
Yeah. Who doesn't want a boat? Why you keep talking about the boat? Leave me alone about the boat.

Speaker 2 Forget about the boat. Forget about the boat.

Speaker 2 So they make bail.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 CutConf is weighing his options. Is he going to be as lucky this time as he was last time?

Speaker 2 Yeah, can he be? Is someone going to fucking just, you know, disappear and then he doesn't have to do this? So he starts worrying that Dustin's going to link him to the missing informants.

Speaker 2 He's like, Dustin could flip on the whole thing and say it's all me. No,

Speaker 2 then I'm fucked. Yeah.
So he's like, huh. And he said, this isn't good.
So he turns state's witness

Speaker 2 and wears a wire while they're out on pretrial release. Oh.

Speaker 2 And this is the last guy that Dustin suspects, so

Speaker 2 he's not suspicious at all. Throughout hours of tape, Dustin would compare the electricity of killing to the excitement before a rivalry football game.
Really? How exciting it was.

Speaker 2 At one point, he said, quote, once you go a certain distance, there's no turning back. Or, quote, there ain't no turning back.

Speaker 2 Sorry. That's what he said.
He fantasized out loud about destroying evidence, buying a gun and eliminating and killing the investigators. And we have a list of the ones he wants to kill.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Also, Dan Cobine,

Speaker 2 a work friend of his,

Speaker 2 and somebody else that he called a rat as well. Yeah, just kill the whole team.

Speaker 2 He said, quote, I've climbed far bigger hills than that little hill. Even if I'm in prison for 15 years, whatever, when I get out, he's still dead.
So it's fine. I can wait.
I am patient, man. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's all good. When CutComp expressed concern over killing witnesses, you know, because it's an FBI,

Speaker 2 he's wired, so he can't be like, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 He said that Dustin said they had, quote, we put ourselves in, or they put themselves in that position, the people we need to kill. Hey, it's not our fault.

Speaker 2 They're rats. He said, quote, they made me choose between my family and them.
I'm sorry, but that ain't no choice.

Speaker 2 You kill them. Yes.
Wow. When CutComp asked Dustin if that bothered him, he replied, quote, nope, never.
Never think about it. Never.
Never dream about it. Never nothing.

Speaker 2 Thought I'd have nightmares, but never. Don't give a fuck.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Don't come.

Speaker 2 The affidavit of a special agent of the DEA includes analysis of tape conversations between Timothy Kutkamp and Honkin.

Speaker 2 Obviously, CutComp was cooperating.

Speaker 2 According to the affidavit, Dustin told Kutkamp that he'd be able to get Kutkamp off and eliminate some some of his own charges by killing witnesses or by eliminating evidence. Oh.

Speaker 2 Dustin said he planned to circumvent electronic monitoring and told KutComp

Speaker 2 he had a quiet weapon, a quiet weapon that fired 1,420 armor-piercing rounds of ammunition per minute. That's a lot.
That's like the Jesse Ventura predator gun, like those Gatling guns.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to have a, you got to, it's got to be belt-fed to shoot that many. That's what I mean.
Belt-fed and on a constant, you know, the electronic ones where you go

Speaker 2 and they spin and they, you know, take down the whole forest. That's what you need.
One of those.

Speaker 2 That's not quiet. No.

Speaker 2 Armor pierced. No, that's not quiet.
He said it's a quiet.

Speaker 2 Various sources cited said that they allege that Dustin also

Speaker 2 made death threats against an informant,

Speaker 2 also against a former DEA agent, an Iowa Department of Narcotics Enforcement agent, and two government chemists who are working on the case.

Speaker 2 Basically, anybody in his court document that he saw was involved,

Speaker 2 he wanted to kill all those. They're all dying.
If you kill all of them, they have to dismiss the charges.

Speaker 2 In conversations in the affidavit here, CutComp told Dustin that he worried about what happened in 1993 because CutComp helped dispose of a gun.

Speaker 2 He told an agent with the Federal Drug Enforcement Agency that Honkin asked him to help destroy a gun in late 1993 after the disappearance of

Speaker 2 DeGeese,

Speaker 2 their friend there. Cutcomp drew a picture of the gun, which he said had been purchased in July 1993 by Angela Johnson, which we know happened.

Speaker 2 The affidavit indicates that the drawing closely resembled the type of gun purchased by the girlfriend.

Speaker 2 And when the two men were granted a pretrial release, Dustin began trying to destroy evidence that the government had seized in the raid.

Speaker 2 He believed, Dustin believed that seized chemicals were being held at a Bondurant hazardous waste firm. So he's going to break into the police evidence and destroy the evidence against himself.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That is some

Speaker 2 while he's arrested, right?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, he's on pre-trial rule. He's on bail.
Yeah. So he's going to break into an evidence lab

Speaker 2 and steal all of his shit back. This is meth thinking, is what this is.
But that's where they keep everything that's against me.

Speaker 2 So if I get in there i can just erase i can just destroy it all and then they'll have no case and everything's fine if i kill everybody and break into their evidence building and steal all the evidence then they can't like this is childish meth thinking this is crazy pretty nuts yeah this is insane behavior so he testified or later on it will testify that that's what he wanted to do cut comp said that Dustin developed a plan to break into the place and destroy the evidence.

Speaker 2 He had a plan. But Dustin also believed that the evidence may have also been held in a Chicago Chicago warehouse.
So he wasn't sure. So that's going to be even harder.
It may not be there.

Speaker 2 So he said, but no, I got a plan for that, too. He goes, I can't break into the Chicago warehouse because it's a lot bigger and has better security, but there's a way still.
Okay.

Speaker 2 This one, I'll just break in. It's small time.
I'll steal my shit. But he said, I'd have to destroy the entire warehouse in Chicago.
There's no way to get into it.

Speaker 2 So he cut comp said, quote, Dustin said we could make a bomb similar to the Oklahoma City bomb. Oh, shit.
Which had the bombing that just happened the year before or whatever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right, right, right. A Timothy McVay bomb we're talking about.
A rider truck packed with horseshit. Yeah.
We can park it outside, blow the building up, then all the evidence will be gone.

Speaker 2 Everything's gone. So based on all these tapes, the court revokes Dustin's pretrial release, obviously,

Speaker 2 and sticks him in the jail in Sioux City, Iowa. Sitting here, stupid and fucking stew for a while.
While incarcerated, Dustin, who's a skinny little nerdy dork,

Speaker 2 has to tell the other, he has to brag to the other prisoners so they don't think he's a punk. You know what I mean? So he's got to brag.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, like an idiot, he admits to anybody who will fucking listen to him in there that he kills witnesses to avoid charges. He said that? Tells everybody in jail this.

Speaker 2 All sorts of people with charges pending that they'd love to get out of. He just gives them shit to say.
He went into great detail about murders he's committed to

Speaker 2 to kill witnesses.

Speaker 2 He also began planning in front of people the murders of Cobine and Cutcomp, telling a fellow inmate to kill Cutcomp and providing directions to his house because he was getting out soon. Wow.

Speaker 2 So he tried to hire this man. Here's directions.
Go kill him. Together with another inmate, Dustin then attempts to escape the jail.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 By breaking a hole in the wall of a cell and arranging for Angela Johnson to deliver a hacksaw and a rope to him. Yeah.
Is he going to put a paper-mâche head in the store?

Speaker 2 Put a poster over it, is that?

Speaker 2 The jailers discover the hole and the whole thing gets...

Speaker 2 He didn't get it all complete at first before it got discovered. He didn't put a picture of

Speaker 2 Jacqueline Bassett? Who was it? I can't remember the poster. Yeah, it was some movie poster.

Speaker 2 So the tapes that they have definitely imply that Dustin is involved in the disappearance of Greg Nicholson, Terry DeGeese, Laurie Duncan, Candy Amber, everybody.

Speaker 2 He's also heard discussing how he can beat his surveillance, electronic surveillance methods and methods to make sure that key witnesses, including

Speaker 2 Cobine and government agents, wouldn't testify. When asked about the tapes later, Dustin said, quote, pretty damaging stuff, I agree.

Speaker 2 Doesn't look good for me.

Speaker 2 But he said he was worried that his pretrial release would be yanked if he reported his conversations with CutComp to the authorities. So he's like, yeah, Terry was bringing stuff up.

Speaker 2 Cut comp was bringing stuff up. And, you know, I was just going along with him.
And, you know, I was worried that, you know, I wasn't the one that was. Meanwhile,

Speaker 2 he's being set up. You're being set up, dummy.
Certainly.

Speaker 2 He's trying to say he was just worried and didn't want CutComp to be mad at him, so he was just going along with it.

Speaker 2 He said, I was real worried that Tim was going to do something to Cobine.

Speaker 2 If he's really flipped out and he goes off and kills someone, I mean, they're going to get both of us. It's my charge, too.

Speaker 2 He said, I was just pacifying him until that chemical report came back because I knew our lab was not big time by any means. So

Speaker 2 at a detention hearing, prosecutors attempt to link Dustin to the disappearance of

Speaker 2 DeGeese earlier to try to establish that he is a danger to society. If you let him out, he's going to try to tie up Lucen's here.
Now, in June, Angela Johnson's home gets searched.

Speaker 2 Chemicals used to manufacture meth are seized from a storage shed at her house as well.

Speaker 2 So she's been holding stuff, so they can arrest her for that now.

Speaker 2 June of 1997, Dustin is going to plead guilty to conspiracy to manufacture and distribute methamphetamine. He's got no choice.
They got him dead to rights. That's a problem.

Speaker 2 So 1997 is his federal sentencing. and they bring out shitloads of people to testify against him.

Speaker 2 12 witnesses called on in one day, seven of them were co-workers at Kraft General Foods, you know, where he was packing pudding. Before and after his 96 arrest and drug raid of his home,

Speaker 2 a number of these employees said that Dustin attempted to purchase a gun while on an

Speaker 2 electronic monitoring bracelet after his arrest. And they also said that Honkin wanted to give the gun or wanted the gun for a girlfriend who was moving to Des Moines.

Speaker 2 He moved to Des Moines. You got to be packing.

Speaker 2 You got to watch out. It's taking

Speaker 2 tough up there in Des Moines.

Speaker 2 One guy said, Dustin asked me to buy a pistol for him, for his girlfriend. And he said he bought a pistol and told Dustin he could pick it up, but Dustin never picked it up, this guy said.

Speaker 2 Dan Cobine also is there.

Speaker 2 This is a lot of, this is a guy who was involved. He's the third partner.
He was also a confidential informant the whole time. And

Speaker 2 he said,

Speaker 2 quote, this is Cobine, he had heard I was trustworthy and a little on the crazy side.

Speaker 2 That's, he said, why he was approached for the drug business, because he said, you know, I thought I could protect him and shit.

Speaker 2 Under questioning, though, Cobine admitted that he had only seen a gram total of methamphetamine when he was with Dustin.

Speaker 2 That's it. Yeah, hadn't seen a big pile of methamphetamine in a a big giant lab working.
It's about a Grams all. Yep.

Speaker 2 And Cobine said that he did not claim $7,000 on his tax income form in 1996, which is what he was making from them.

Speaker 2 The money was given to Cobine by federal agents who were concerned for his safety after Honkin's arrest and pre-trial release. So they just gave him money to go hide, basically.

Speaker 2 And he didn't claim that on his taxes, which he was supposed to. Are you right?

Speaker 2 I guess, but you could probably put in expenses also. Maybe you could write off like a hotel bill or something.
I don't know how that works. Yeah.
Because I guess it's technically like

Speaker 2 pay from the government at that point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now, another prisoner here, the judge hears testimony from a prisoner named Dean Donaldson,

Speaker 2 a man who claimed that Honkin had hired him to kill Cutcomp.

Speaker 2 He said he came to me and said if he got out, he'd pay my girlfriend twice the money back that his bail was.

Speaker 2 Donaldson painted an entirely different scenario in court, saying that Dustin wanted him to purchase a night scope for a rifle, go to Cutcomp's house in rural Brit, kill him, then wait for Dustin to get out to pay him up to $10 million from future drug proceeds.

Speaker 2 He is kill this guy. Yeah.
Yeah. And I'll pay you $10 million over time with all the meth I'm going to sell.

Speaker 2 Really? He's valuing his company very high. Yeah, and it seems like he's never been in the meth business for more than six straight months without getting busted.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So he doesn't know how to do that part of it. Are you you going to sell $10 million worth of meth and eat a sandwich over that time? Yeah.
This is like breaking dumb is what this is. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Breaking bad ideas. Yeah.
It's bad stuff. So Terry testifies too here.

Speaker 2 He says, or I'm sorry, Tim. Can I say Terry? Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He says this.

Speaker 2 Asked how long he'd known Dustin. He said, since the first grade, we were best friends.

Speaker 2 He told the judge that cut comp here that he had joined with the two brothers, Dustin and Jeff, in Arizona in 1992, and they began manufacturing amphetamine. CutComp said, my role was to

Speaker 2 manufacture it. Jeff provided the money and Dustin did the selling and the researching of how to make it.

Speaker 2 The early days of their drug operation, they managed to manufacture the drugs out of CutComp's residence, and Dustin would deliver the drugs to Nicholson and DeGeese to sell in northern Iowa.

Speaker 2 He said for the next four years, Honkin and CutComp were in and out of the drug business because they had legal problems back and forth and all that shit.

Speaker 2 Cutcomp said Dustin and Greg Nicholson would have been the key witnesses against us, or Dustin said Greg Nicholson would have been the key witness against us.

Speaker 2 In July, Dustin contacted me, asked to get together. He told me that Greg hadn't shown up for his court hearing and was missing, Greg Nicholson.

Speaker 2 For most of the next 45 minutes in court, CutComp tells the court how Dustin dropped hints that he had been responsible for the disappearance of Nicholson and DeGeese, both their partners.

Speaker 2 In the summer of 93, CutComp said that Dustin asked him what he thought of a scenario in which people were kidnapped, forced to make a videotape exonerating someone of a crime, and then killed.

Speaker 2 What's your opinion on that? What do you think? I got an idea. And all the times we're like hanging out, driving, doing whatever we're doing.

Speaker 2 Imagine if I said, I'd like to know your thoughts on something. Okay.

Speaker 2 Let's force these people to make videos for us after kidnapping.

Speaker 2 Suppose somebody's got some dirt on us. What do we do?

Speaker 2 We would obviously kidnapping acting. Yeah.
Yeah. Force them to make a statement on videotape.
We'd have to make it convincing, so someone's going to have to know how to edit it a little bit. And then

Speaker 2 kill them, obviously, right? We don't have to let them go

Speaker 2 to go recant what they said. We'll just kill them.
We'll just kill them. It's easy.
Word is bond. Word is bond, my friend.
They said six months later, CutConf

Speaker 2 said that Dustin told him he had a tape in which Nicholson said Dustin wasn't involved in the drug business and that he was sorry for turning him in.

Speaker 2 That's the videotape he gave his lawyer. But Cutcomp testified that he had never seen the tape.

Speaker 2 Over the next two years, Dustin had asked Cutcom questions ranging from how deep did farm equipment dig down into the earth

Speaker 2 to how much it would cost to rent or buy excavating equipment.

Speaker 2 He said he wanted to continue the drug manufacturing so he could purchase a backhoe or rent one so that he could take care of loose ends, which is what he told me. Very shit deep.

Speaker 2 Kutcomp also testifies during this that he's serving. This is what Kutcomp got for his part in all this.
This is in for possibly murders, definitely lots of method production, all this shit.

Speaker 2 Four and a half years he got.

Speaker 2 Wow. Sweetheart.

Speaker 2 Four and a half years, as long as he testifies.

Speaker 2 He admitted his sentence had been cut by at least 60% because of his cooperation with the government's investigation.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now, the sentencing options are way different here than it would be for the state. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The federal process gives a lot of options here, and just to go through them quickly, because this is the type of shit people are curious about here.

Speaker 2 They said the fact that Dustin's sentencing hearing will last longer than one day is not unusual, yet the length of the hearing,

Speaker 2 yet the length of the hearing that started Monday is. They said, quote, this is a U.S.
attorney said this. Federal court is different than state court.
He said,

Speaker 2 this is much different. They're talking about.
He said that judges determine the levels obtained by a man like Dustin when passing a sentence. They have this chart.
It was in the newspaper

Speaker 2 where this chart where you were like basically like, okay, there's this and that and check this and that. Then you add it all up and see what the sentence is going to be.

Speaker 2 It's not just out of a whim, like this guy pissed me off 40 years. It's very specifically.
You can find sentencing guidelines and do the math and figure figure out what it's going to be. Yep.

Speaker 2 The more levels, the stronger the sentence. This prosecutor said these levels can be determined by the quantity,

Speaker 2 obstructing justice, tampering with a witness, the use of a firearm, what role a person took. Was he the leader? Was he in charge? Things like that.
It's all in the chat.

Speaker 2 You got it all with a math formula and you can figure it out.

Speaker 2 Just like you're making meth. It's a big formula.
You put it together and now you're

Speaker 2 so the government's trying to establish that Dustin assumed leadership of a drug manufacturing business that began in 92 and he's involved in not only the distribution of drugs, but disappearance of five people, including two key witnesses and two children.

Speaker 2 In short, they said the attorneys are trying to show that Dustin would do anything to stay out of prison.

Speaker 2 But Dustin's attorney elicited testimony that appears to discount the government's stand from witnesses.

Speaker 2 So basically, they always can poke holes in these people's story because everybody testifying against him is a crackhead with

Speaker 2 their own shit to hide, their own deals.

Speaker 2 All of these drug things, it's very hard. You can say, yeah, what they're saying is true, but everybody's getting super big deals with decades being cut off their sentences.

Speaker 2 It's hard to believe somebody at that point that has so much reason to testify, you know, that they're just doing it out of the kindness of their heart is a little bit

Speaker 2 hard to think. So, Dustin, during this federal sentencing, he has to talk to.

Speaker 2 Got him. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 No choice. He is going to, like I said, plead guilty to one count of conspiracy to manufacture and

Speaker 2 distribute methamphetamine, one count of attempting to manufacture the substance on June 2nd, 1997 is when he pleads. He said he's willing to do the time for those crimes, but only those crimes.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He said, quote, I did not lead the operation, nor do I consider it major.

Speaker 2 My conduct wasn't right. And I agree that, and I regret that.
I regret it terribly. But all I'm saying is I should pay for the crimes I committed, and that's all.

Speaker 2 Oh. He said, I have nothing to do with the disappearance of the five people that have been brought up.
He said, I never talked to any of them after March of 1993.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, because three of them were dead. They're gone, yeah.
Dead, for four of them. He said, look at both those guys.

Speaker 2 Look, both those guys had a lot of reason to run, meaning Nicholson and DeGeese. When talking about the Duncan girls, Lori and Candy and Amber,

Speaker 2 they said his voice rose and was filled with emotion. He said, quote, I'm not a killer.
I don't want my kids to ever think that their daddy would do something like that. I did not kill those people.

Speaker 2 I did not have anything to do with their disappearance.

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Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 He said, I pleaded guilty, and I decided to plead guilty because I'm tired of fighting, and I'm determined, even though I could have got given the government a difficult fight at trial, that it was time for me to accept the responsibility for my actions and get on with my life.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 2 So that's what he's talking about. He also said, I was just naive when I got here.
And meaning, what about all the people in jail that that you told you killed everybody and doing all that?

Speaker 2 And he said, I was just naive when I got here and people just took advantage of that naivete.

Speaker 2 Right. You know, meth-dealing murderers are very naive.
You got to hold a hand walking through shit. Yeah, you could scam them real easy.
I told people what I was accused of and they just ran with it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. You weren't trying to act tough in jail.
He said, I mean, think about it.

Speaker 2 He said, who in their right mind is going to kill someone, not get paid for years, and then think he's going to get 10 million way down the road after I supposedly set up a drug lab again. Come on.

Speaker 2 No one's that gullible.

Speaker 2 No, the point is you thought they were because you're on tape saying it, dummy.

Speaker 2 You fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 He was just as adamant that he never planned an escape, even though he was caught with a hole in his cell and a full plan of escape.

Speaker 2 He said, I have two children, and the fact is, if you escape to make it work, I would never be able to see them. He said, yeah, I'll do life before I leave my children.
That's what he said.

Speaker 2 They go, well, maybe not life, but we got something else for you. You, sir, may fuck off 24 years in federal prison.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Later extended to 27 years in federal prison. Really? Yeah.
Due to his cooperation, CutComp got four and a half years.

Speaker 2 Okay. Now that's just for the drug distribution, though.
Okay. Then what? There's more.
Now, in prison, wow.

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ. When he goes to prison, he said, you know what I'd like to do? Because there's an article on him in the paper.
He said, I'd like to continue my education,

Speaker 2 you know, in prison. Really?

Speaker 2 He said, I don't know if you know this, but I was on the dean's list at North Iowa Area Community College. So I'm pretty, he literally said that.
They have a dean?

Speaker 2 It's just a guy.

Speaker 2 It's not his title. It's just a guy named Dean.
Yeah. And the students call him Dean.
They don't even call him like Mr. So-and-so.
He's a, yo, Dean.

Speaker 2 And he's like skateboarding by and he's like what up man kegger tonight and they're like right on dean they give him devil horns and everybody party six or seven favorite guys and uh i was on that list you know

Speaker 2 he said that uh he said although his career goals have changed he said at the time he thought he was going to be an attorney back in the day and now he said quote i think i've had enough of law ha ha ha okay

Speaker 2 idiot but he didn't laugh when asked about his children the basis of the only conditions he had on granting the interview was whatever He agreed to the interview on the condition that his children's names and pictures would not be published.

Speaker 2 He said that the mothers of his three-year-old daughter and four-year-old son bring them to Sioux City as often as possible for visits, but that prisoners are only allowed 40 minutes of visitation per week.

Speaker 2 He said, it's tough. My kids come, and it's just like it is today.
I sit here, they sit there, and there's this window between us. I can't even give my kids a hug.

Speaker 2 Oh, gee, that's awfully sorry for you there. That's what happens when you go to prison usually.

Speaker 2 Now, speaking of people who can't, kids who can't get a hug,

Speaker 2 there's still missing posters and people looking for Greg and Lori and Amber and Candy. Yeah.
So people are still looking for them, and there's people who still think they hope they're alive,

Speaker 2 which is crazy.

Speaker 2 Lori's grandmother,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, the kids' grandmother, I think the father's mother, said she kept their bedrooms and their dolls and dresses just like they left them in case they come back.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, it's been years now and they'd be like old enough to whatever, but still, just keep it all there. They can do what they want to do.

Speaker 2 Investigators are very sure that Dustin is involved. There's too many coincidences, but they can't find anything or they don't know anything.
So September 11th, 1997,

Speaker 2 based on a tip, they excavate a property in Hancock County looking for people. They dig up this whole fucking property, man.
It's like a farm. Because he was looking for how deep can you dig with

Speaker 2 this place. They find nothing.
Nothing. Not a goddamn thing.

Speaker 2 Then, summer of 2000,

Speaker 2 okay, Angela Johnson, we remember her.

Speaker 2 She's in some trouble.

Speaker 2 The cops hear that Johnson feels knows that the law is closing in on her.

Speaker 2 So she's about to skip town. So the cops indict her with charges of aiding and abetting in the murders of Nicholson, Duncan, Candy, Amber, and Terry DeGeese, her ex-boyfriend.

Speaker 2 They said they had enough evidence to believe she had something to do with the murders, but they don't think she obviously was the trigger man or anything, but she must have been, had something to do.

Speaker 2 But they at least needed the bodies. This is a right now, it's no body, no crime.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because they don't even, they're not positive they're dead. So yeah, and they're not necessarily, I mean, the girls and the mom are pretty well

Speaker 2 reliable, but a flighty meth head.

Speaker 2 Two flighty meth heads. Who knows where they are? Yeah, yeah.
They might have just run off.

Speaker 2 And you might be able to convince a jury that maybe this woman and her two children ran off with this guy that has her all smitten and he needed to get out of town. She said, we'll come with you.

Speaker 2 They could be be in Mexico right now. You never know.
So you can't really charge it. It's too hard.
Guy alone looks suspicious sometimes.

Speaker 2 But you got a gal and two girls.

Speaker 2 That's a family is what that meant.

Speaker 2 That's all. Maybe they're down there just having, drinking milk with dinner, going to Sherwood's.

Speaker 2 They're just taking a trip down to Cabo right now. That's it.
So October 2000. Yeah.
Okay. Now, Angela Johnson has no criminal history and doesn't know shit about jail.
And now she's in jail. Okay.

Speaker 2 So she really could use a friend to help her with the finer points of prison and what to do. Luckily for her, now I don't know what kind of jail this is.

Speaker 2 I know it's a federal facility, but they apparently have men and women housed in the same

Speaker 2 cell blocks next to each other. Really? Which seems really like a bad idea, right? 2025, that's happening? Or I guess 1930? 2000.

Speaker 2 2000s going on.

Speaker 2 That's too late for that. There's a guy in the cell next to her named Robert Gene McNeese, Bobby McNeese,

Speaker 2 which is

Speaker 2 that's the rejected song title of Janice Joplin. Bobby McNeese.
No, that doesn't sound very good, does it? No, we'll fix it. I'll fix it later.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 Tentatively,

Speaker 2 me and Bobby McNeese. We'll figure the rest out later.
So she needed,

Speaker 2 I guess,

Speaker 2 she said, you know,

Speaker 2 what can I do to get through all this and and everything? And he said, oh, I'll help you. Sure, no problem.
Now, he's a career criminal doing a life sentence for

Speaker 2 attempting to import $5 million worth of heroin and morphine.

Speaker 2 This was, he got busted doing this while he was already in prison

Speaker 2 on bank robbery charges. International smuggling.

Speaker 2 And bank robbery.

Speaker 2 Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 He's in prison. He's like, hmm, I could use a legal fund.
Here's what it would do. I'll bet you he makes a kick-ass Doritos

Speaker 2 pizza in prison. Oh, so well.
So good. He knows how to fucking

Speaker 2 knows how to make a hot plate out of some wires coming out of the wall. He's got it all.
Now, the thing is, that was, he gets busted for those two. Then,

Speaker 2 after he gets sentenced for that, apparently he has friends in the New York mafia

Speaker 2 who, wow, they wanted to run

Speaker 2 something taking drugs from New York to Cedar Rapids and have a big drug thing. So they contacted this guy for help and he gets busted for that, too.
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 My Christ. So can you do anything and get away with it? Apparently not.
Not from jail. It's really hard to do shit from jail and get away with it.
They monitor all of your shit.

Speaker 2 He couldn't get away with it as a freeman. Fuck no.
He gets caught for everything, this guy. So jail officials catch on and they're like, dude, we're going to put you under the jail.

Speaker 2 Like, what are you doing? So he decides to cooperate. Yes.
Now he's going to cooperate. Okay.

Speaker 2 So apparently he shouted, said through the cell wall, hey, how you doing? I'm so-and-so. What's your name? You know, we're in here together.
We might as well talk.

Speaker 2 And they would pass notes through the food slot in his door. Him and Angela striking up a friendship.

Speaker 2 They talked about just being locked up and stories of their childhood, just getting to know each other, real casual. He wasn't asking her like, so how many people did you kill to get in here?

Speaker 2 Small talk small talk um now at first angela was reluctant to talk about her crimes but

Speaker 2 when she got closer and closer to mcnese here knowing that he's a lifer

Speaker 2 you know he's he's got nothing to gain from this whatever so she's like huh it's interesting it's interesting um

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 he said okay uh she also

Speaker 2 he offers her something oh he says listen i'm in the drug business and I did all this. I'm in here for life without.
I'm fucked. I'm going nowhere.
Yeah. I'm going nowhere.

Speaker 2 Why don't you tell me what you did and I'll take the rap for it? Oh.

Speaker 2 You tell me what you did and I'll go to the cops and say, I had people do that. I did that.
It's great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you need to tell me all the details, though, so I can tell them what I did. Oh, yeah.
And transfer those details to other people. That way, you'll get out of here.

Speaker 2 And what are they going to do to me? Right. Nothing.
I'm already here forever. I'm already fucked.
So she said, that sounds great. Let me tell you all the bad things I did.
You dumb bitch.

Speaker 2 You fucking dummy.

Speaker 2 And this is through like stuff. So he's like writing down notes as she's talking because he needs to have it to memorize it.

Speaker 2 In his mind, he's like, I need to memorize this stuff so I can tell the cops. I got to write it down.

Speaker 2 There's also recorded conversations where she details everything, details how all five people were killed,

Speaker 2 what they were wearing, and where they were killed.

Speaker 2 Okay, she said in the summer of 93 that Dustin had borrowed a friend's car to drive around to look for Nicholson, who was the turn informant guy.

Speaker 2 They found him in July.

Speaker 2 They said they knew where he was in July. They knew he was at Lori Duncan's house.
They were just trying to get him alone.

Speaker 2 So after a few attempts to get him alone,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 with the hearing coming up in five days that he would have had to plead guilty at Dustin, he said we had to do it. So Johnson posed as a lost Avon lady.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She had a big cosmetics bag with her, dressed up real nice, knocked on the door and said, God,

Speaker 2 Lori Duncan answered. God love it.
I'm just lost. Gosh darn it.
Can't find my client. She's waiting on some rouge and and I'm lost.
This is terrible. Poor lady.

Speaker 2 She knocked on the door and said, do you mind if I take a look at your phone book so I could look up this lady's address to make sure that it's right?

Speaker 2 Make sure maybe I have the wrong address. I might have taken it down wrong over the phone.
And she's carrying a demonstration bag with the cosmetics and all that and really seems like an Avon lady.

Speaker 2 And she said, I have an appointment to give a demonstration. I'm uncertain of the address.
I don't want to blow this client off. And Lori said, of course, come on in.

Speaker 2 You can come in my house.

Speaker 2 She comes in right behind her, hiding off to the side. Dustin bursts in too.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Okay. Now, once the door is open, they say that both of them, now dropping the ruse, Angela also springs into action and they start taking over this house.

Speaker 2 The plan was to force Greg Nicholson to make a videotape statement exonerating. Dustin, which they did, as we know, because she gave it to his goddamn lawyer there.

Speaker 2 But apparently, apparently Johnson helped bind the two adults gagged them with a pair of the girls small green socks the details she gave

Speaker 2 then this is sick this is fucking sick this fucking asshole lady this Angela Johnson yeah took the two girls upstairs you could have taken them upstairs and said mommy said you guys have to play up here for a while yeah you have to go and then left and left them there you could have done that yeah you have to watch the new Disney movie on TV.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
You need to, you got Little Mermaid in there. Perfect.

Speaker 2 Did fucking Aladdin come out yet, 93. It's just about to come out if it did.
It's pretty close. Yeah.
Lion King is that arrow. It's all that time.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 watch In the Line of Fire. It just came out.
Here, just sit down and watch.

Speaker 2 Watch that. Yeah, Clint Eastwood.
He plays a grizzled Secret Service agent. I think you're going to like it.
Enjoy Cliffhanger. It's the worst movie that he's ever been in.
But just sit still.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's hanging off a mountain. It's going to be great.
Kind of helicopter.

Speaker 2 She takes the two kids upstairs and tells them, hey, kids, we have so much fun. We're going on a surprise trip with mommy and everything.
So pack some stuff.

Speaker 2 And the kids are like, oh, yay. And they're packing clothes and bring your swimsuit.
Don't forget. They're bringing the swim.
This is going to be so much fun. We're going away.

Speaker 2 We're going on a surprise trip. So that she actually made these girls pack some shit.

Speaker 2 And then everybody got out. Everyone's forced at

Speaker 2 into the car.

Speaker 2 Angela and Dustin drove the 10 minutes from

Speaker 2 Lori's house to a wooded area outside of Mason City.

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 So they're bound and gagged at this point. I would think Lori is just thinking,

Speaker 2 how do I get them to get, let my kids go, probably?

Speaker 2 What else? And why am I even, what's going on? Is also the other thing. I don't even know who the fuck these people are.
What happened? Yeah. Yeah.
How did this happen?

Speaker 2 So this is fucking crazy. Apparently, it's just Dustin and Johnson and the fight, and these four people.
So apparently,

Speaker 2 Dustin gets

Speaker 2 mom, Lori, and Greg Nicholson out of the car first, leaves Angelo with the kids in the car.

Speaker 2 And Dustin walks the two adults into the woods. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Johnson hears gunshots.

Speaker 2 And then,

Speaker 2 this is what Johnson said, quote, then he came back and got the children and walked them away.

Speaker 2 And she heard more shots.

Speaker 2 By the way, there was an already dug grave out there.

Speaker 2 How big?

Speaker 2 Big enough for all four of them. All of them? Oh, Jesus.
They bury all four of them together.

Speaker 2 One on top of another.

Speaker 2 But this is how much this was planned. They went out, dug a fucking grave, then went to their house with a cosmetics bag dressed up in a fucking business suit and all that shit.

Speaker 2 This is insane. This is the most premeditated, sickest.
And with two little kids that know nothing about anything. Over nothing.
Over nothing. Nothing.
The kids knew shit and wouldn't know shit.

Speaker 2 And they'd be not even reliable witnesses. You could have easily had them go in a fucking room and shut up.

Speaker 2 Even if you wanted to be mean,

Speaker 2 stay in here. Lori didn't know shit either.
she didn't even know she

Speaker 2 right Greg wasn't telling her the truth she wouldn't have let her stay there wouldn't have let him stay there she's a good mom she's not gonna let this fucking man stay around this meth shit yeah maybe Greg is a decent method it's probably just like I'm not telling her anything that'll just endanger her yeah yeah which he should have not gone near anybody probably should let her know but by the way I'm endangering the fuck out of your children just by being here yeah if you're Steve Martin and the jerk and the cans are exploding all around you you don't say to someone hey come stand next to me like that's bad.

Speaker 2 You know, bring your kids over here. Bring your kids.
Let them stand in front of the oil cans. So

Speaker 2 that's disgusting. So they are all shot and fell right in the grave, like

Speaker 2 the fucking Chinese army disposing of dissidents. Like it's hideously disgusting.

Speaker 2 So a few weeks later, Angela Johnson lured DeGeis, who's her ex-boyfriend,

Speaker 2 out to a country club saying she wanted to get back together with him.

Speaker 2 What's her fucking deal, man? Dude,

Speaker 2 she's just as evil as he is.

Speaker 2 He found the perfect fucking accomplice,

Speaker 2 someone who doesn't look dangerous, who can put an Avon bag in her shoulder and get into somebody's house, someone who can. She seemingly enjoys this shit.

Speaker 2 If she doesn't, she really has a weird way of showing it because she keeps doing it.

Speaker 2 So she, I guess, met him at a country club and said she wanted to get back together. Then they drove to an abandoned house where she said they were going to go, wanted to go have sex there.
Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 2 And guess who's at the house waiting for them? Who's there? It's Dustin. Yeah.
Where he beat, tortured, and shot the geist and buried him.

Speaker 2 Wow. They said, she said, this is the informant in the next cell, said, she said she had helped him kill these people and she always helped him get whatever he needed done.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 2 What does this guy have on you? Yeah. Other people have meth.
What's he getting? Is that all it is? Is he getting her meth? That's got to be the whole thing, right? At first, it was meth, but like

Speaker 2 it's been years. What are we doing? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now it's sex and accomplice, and she's got to be having fun at this. She feels dangerous.
She does also, I don't know if she feels

Speaker 2 One thing Dustin seems to know is how to manipulate people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I wonder if he can tell what her background is and exactly how to manipulate her. Yeah, she's easy to see.

Speaker 2 You always act like you're going to protect her, and she'll do anything in the fucking world for you. Pull these strings, babe.
Yeah, protect me.

Speaker 2 Make sure nobody tries to do an exorcism on me, and I'm yours forever.

Speaker 2 She did go through all that. So that's what I feel like, especially if she was, you know, abused sexually and everything like that.
All he has to go is, I'll protect you.

Speaker 2 Nobody will ever hurt you again. No one's ever going going to hurt you again.
Not while I'm around, right? And I think that's what she gets into. I mean, I'm not a doctor, so maybe not.

Speaker 2 She might just really love meth. This is,

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 he might wear just the right amount of Dracar Noir in the 90s that makes her fucking

Speaker 2 makes her fucking drip down her pant legs. She is the closest to that, right? Who knows?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I just know.
I'm thinking 90s cologne.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Drakar or Paco or one of those fucking things.
So now, Cut Comp here.

Speaker 2 After Dustin Honkins' arrest,

Speaker 2 CutComp talks about,

Speaker 2 first of all, in the court documents, they know that they were discussing killing Cobine, killing law enforcement agents, killing everybody.

Speaker 2 Cut comp also tells the court that Dustin was reluctant to involve Angela Johnson in any efforts to kill Cobine because she was, quote, a hothead and just wanted to go, just wanted to go do it, just do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's apparently

Speaker 2 Angela's the one wanting to kill everybody, according to. And this is like said behind the scenes, not for the cops or anything like that.
He told his friend, Jesus, I don't even want to involve her.

Speaker 2 She gets too crazy. She loves this.
She's fucking bloodthirsty. Calm down on you, bunny.
She, yeah, that's what they are. They're beginning of fucking pulp fiction.
So anyway, it's crazy shit.

Speaker 2 Now, the authorities now, by the way, there's maps drawn based on what they're told.

Speaker 2 They draw maps.

Speaker 2 The guy, basically the guy in the jail cell has Angela Johnson draw maps so he can, he can't confess to it unless he knows exactly where the bodies are. They're not going to believe him.

Speaker 2 So now he has hand-drawn maps that she drew to the bodies. Oh, boy.
Couldn't have more evidence against these people.

Speaker 2 Now, searching for the bodies here,

Speaker 2 cops use sonar technology and dogs, obviously, to dredge the area that is indicated on the map. But it's such a big area, it still took them three days days to find anything.
Wow.

Speaker 2 And they finally found

Speaker 2 they had to, one spot, they had to remove tires, tree roots, and a huge opossum burrow underground, a big fucking tunnel under there to get to what they finally find are

Speaker 2 Nicholson, Duncan, Lori Duncan, and Candy and Amber all in the same hole.

Speaker 2 This is also, there's livestock remains buried nearby. So pretty obvious the livestock remains were to throw off the

Speaker 2 dogs and such. Yeah, they start digging.
They're like, oh, there's a cow here. That's why we smell that.
Moving on to the next area. But no, they weren't.

Speaker 2 They find Nicholson on top, and beneath him in the hole were Lori, and then the two daughters were at the bottom of the hole. This is horrifying.
Put them in first. Put them in first.

Speaker 2 Everyone had been shot at least once at close range, execution style, back of the head.

Speaker 2 Amber was still wearing her swimsuit from slip and sliding. No fucking way.
Can you fucking believe? And the meal on the table was the picnic that mom prepared. Dirty.

Speaker 2 She came home all excited from slip and sliding with a fucking little bathing suit on and fucking all happy and, you know, hair wet and shit.

Speaker 2 That is disgusting. She had a t-shirt pulled over her face, and Candy was wearing her sundress that she loved and so still in the same clothes.

Speaker 2 The adults had been bound and gagged and shot multiple times.

Speaker 2 The girls had each been shot once in the back of the head.

Speaker 2 Imagine that. Imagine who could walk two little kids out to there.

Speaker 2 First of all, how could you walk them out there?

Speaker 2 That was enough for me. I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 Then being like, okay, look over there, kids, and then shooting them, but that's just one of you with one gun. So you shot one, and then the other one knew that that happened.

Speaker 2 That is horrible. It's fucking horrible.
The first one didn't think of worse. But the second one saw in the hole.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, geez.

Speaker 2 Saw their sister get shot and then go, oh no, and then it's coming from me. That's just horrible.
At least they didn't fucking gag and bind the girls to scare them.

Speaker 2 At least they probably didn't know it was coming except for one split second before it happened with one of them.

Speaker 2 That's good. At least they didn't torture the girls.
That's helpful. But the adults were bound and gagged and dragged out there.

Speaker 2 And poor Lori, what if you're Lori and you're sitting on the edge of a fucking hole and someone's about to shoot you and you're bound and gagged with your crackhead fucking boyfriend and you know your kids are in the car back there.

Speaker 2 What do you think is going to happen to your kids?

Speaker 2 You might think maybe they're going to let the kids go. Who knows?

Speaker 2 But they got the kids second and they were on the bottom of the hole. So those kids saw two dead bodies.
They saw two dead bodies or maybe brought them not near the body. Who knows?

Speaker 2 Because it's easy to move a six-year-old. So maybe they killed them over here.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 Because that would probably freak the kids out, and then you'd end up having to shoot moving targets, and that's going to be difficult.

Speaker 2 Very small ones, very small moving targets, which good luck. So,

Speaker 2 you know, but this is disgusting.

Speaker 2 Then they keep looking, and about a half mile away, still in this area,

Speaker 2 they keep going using sonar and all that. They find DeGeis as well.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's there too. He's there, too, buried separately.
And they said at first, quote, quote, he died hard. What is, oh, like a beating and then a shot?

Speaker 2 No, he took his shoes off and lost all of his hair and walked on some glass. He died real hard.

Speaker 2 No, he, yeah, he fucking, he had a lot done to him.

Speaker 2 A lot done to him. They discover,

Speaker 2 wow, that he's also been shot. And now, Nicholson and Duncan were bound, gagged, shot multiple times, including once in the head.

Speaker 2 DeGeis, the kids are only shot once each, single bullet to the back of the head each.

Speaker 2 I guess de Geis was found face down in a shallow hole. He'd been shot more than once.
His skull was severely

Speaker 2 fragmented, requiring significant reconstruction to figure out what the fuck happened to him. He was beaten and tortured and shot.
Oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 The geist, probably saying, what did you tell them to try to get information out of him? I'm sure he was tortured for that. Now, Johnson,

Speaker 2 Angela Johnson, this all comes out, that everything you've been telling the guy next door, every details of your crimes is now public fucking knowledge, basically. Given to the prosecutors.

Speaker 2 She hears this.

Speaker 2 She doesn't find out from police or from the court or from her lawyer. She sees it on TV.
Oh.

Speaker 2 That the kids were found through an informant that fucking talked to Angela in the jail. Oh, that's fucked up.

Speaker 2 As soon as she sees that, she goes into her cell, tears a bed sheet, ties it to a railing, and attempts to hang herself. Oh, not successful.
I'm fucked.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, they find it, and they find her trying to hang herself, and they untie her, and they go, no, no, stupid. We'll take care of that for you.
Breathe. Breathe all the air.
Breathe. We got that.

Speaker 2 We'll take care of that later. Don't worry.
You fucking killed kids for money. This is disgusting.
Like, you can't be any grocery for money. For

Speaker 2 profit. For what money? The whole thing is.
Oh, God, it's so good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for this, like, theoretical meth empire that you might build if you didn't get arrested every three days, because that's the problem. You can't, you're idiots.

Speaker 2 So July 2001, indictments charge both Dustin and Angela Johnson with federal murder charges. Because this is all in the covering up of a federal drug thing.
This is a big deal.

Speaker 2 Dustin is sent to Florence, Colorado. Oh, big one.
To that penitentiary, where this, because he's already convicted for the drug charges. Super Max.

Speaker 2 Where he became convinced that he's going to be charged with the murders. and he is it's pretty quickly um

Speaker 2 he said that he planned to call his associates as witnesses in sue city this is wild if tried for the murders he told somebody in jail this here's my plan yeah

Speaker 2 this is what i'm gonna do they're gonna have to bring me back to iowa right yeah we're gonna go to iowa i am gonna have my lawyer put a bunch of my boys on the witness list

Speaker 2 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're all going to come to court to be on the witness list and they're subpoenaed.
They have to be there.

Speaker 2 But what we're going to do is I'm going to have them overpower the guards, kill them, and then we'll all escape. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Totally doable, right?

Speaker 2 Totally doable.

Speaker 2 This has not ever been considered thought of ever. No.

Speaker 2 How many action movies has this guy watched? And he's like, yeah, yeah, that'll work. That could work.

Speaker 2 I'm going to put all 13 of oceans on there

Speaker 2 and then just have them all come on the same day.

Speaker 2 And assume that they're also going to be like this perfect ninja fighting force together to kill multiple armed people.

Speaker 2 Many armed, especially with a federal charge and murder and all that. They're going to have more than one guard there.

Speaker 2 It's not just going to be some old guy with a big fat belly falling asleep with an old dog next to him in the back of the room. It's guys that are going to be super cool with breaking out

Speaker 2 with the key on the wall. Yeah, kidnapping a baby murderer on meth shift.
Yeah, totally. They're going to love me.
Yeah. Yeah, well, those are his boys, he said.

Speaker 2 They all want me out, and they can't wait for me to get home. I'm so picturing the old West Sheriff there with some guy with a broomstick trying to get the

Speaker 2 king

Speaker 2 key ring off the wall

Speaker 2 while a dog barks at him.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I'm a little sweetwell of bassett hounds on the ground just watching you.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. And they're never going to have a problem with him ever.
They're going to love him. No.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, he's going to overpower them after escaping. Then he's going to kill all the murder witnesses,

Speaker 2 including someone being held in federal custody, the guy that witnessed Angela's shit, kill all the cops, and if that's not all the cops that have investigated this, because they have information, and just to make sure, kill that damn pesky federal prosecutor who's also prosecuting me.

Speaker 2 Let's kill everybody. Federal agents now, and

Speaker 2 government employees. We're going to get them all.

Speaker 2 Dude, John Gotti didn't think to do all this he'd be like we can't fucking do that that's crazy i think i'm i think i'm gonna die in here i think maybe we'll just get a juror to fucking you know vote not guilty right that'd probably be easier i think right

Speaker 2 this is fucking crazy i'm gonna break out and he actually had guys willing to do crazy shit for him i don't know how many this guy doesn't have associates willing to murder federal prosecutors for him that's crazy no

Speaker 2 so to prepare for their escape Because this, this, this wasn't just on a whim. He was actually planning on doing this.
This was a real thing he wanted to plan.

Speaker 2 Dustin and his associates practiced retrieving an officer's weapon, learning how to remove handcuffs with minimal tools like off of your hand. Like keys and such.

Speaker 2 And he had these guys train in martial arts scenarios, encountering, centered around encounters with armed people.

Speaker 2 So if you're next to a guy who's walking with you and he has a holster, this is where you want to attack to get away from literally planning how to break. This is crazy.

Speaker 2 unreal oceans 11 is a more realistic plot that you could actually pull off compared to this this is so stupid this is the dumbest fucking thing in the world here um so wow this is ocean's iq 11 is what this is this is dumb

Speaker 2 now april 2002 the u.s judge rules that any evidence found as a result of the informants maps

Speaker 2 the maps that that guy guy made based on what Angela Johnson told him is inadmissible against Angela Johnson.

Speaker 2 So they can't use the map, therefore can't use the bodies that were found. They can only use her statements, which that sucks.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 February 2003, the federal prosecutors are arguing that no, that guy in jail was not a government agent when he obtained the maps.

Speaker 2 He was just a guy in the fucking cell working on his own to try to get his own shit resolved. Okay, not deputized or anything.
We were just allowing him to. Yeah.
Yeah, he just came to us.

Speaker 2 So let us use the maps. Now, also, a federal judge that same month denies a request to release the remains of the five victims to the families, saying that they're evidence,

Speaker 2 which is horrible. You have been, suppose you're Lori Duncan's mom.

Speaker 2 You waved at her one day.

Speaker 2 Then the next day drove to the house and she's gone and you still haven't fucking seen her yet. You still haven't seen your grandkids yet.

Speaker 2 And then it's 10 years later.

Speaker 2 And they've been taken out of the ground and held by them for years. They've been wanting just to have a funeral for years.

Speaker 2 They've known they were dead and haven't been able to have a funeral. It's horrifying.
Can't imagine what that family is going through. That's fucking disgusting.

Speaker 2 But they said they're evidence and we can't release them. We have to be able to do testing and shit.

Speaker 2 December 2003, a court of appeals, the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, rules that prosecutors can use the maps and information from the informant as evidence as well. Oh.

Speaker 2 So now Angela is fucked. Fucked.
Fucked, fucked. Double fucked.
It's all coming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Double fucked like a double stuffed Oreo in deep shit, thick in the middle.

Speaker 2 June 2004,

Speaker 2 the remains are finally released to the families here.

Speaker 2 Finally released. They had to wait all this time.
By the way, Nicholson had children

Speaker 2 and he had life insurance. These children had to wait till now to collect life insurance on him.
Oh, sweet Jesus. Can you imagine? Till June of 2004.
He's been dead for 11 years. That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 Because with no body found, they said he might not be dead, obviously.

Speaker 2 Candy's father, by the way, this is fucking horrible. The kids had two different dads, I guess.
Candy's father, at the time she was killed, was in the hospital in a coma. From what?

Speaker 2 Doesn't matter. I don't know.
Who cares?

Speaker 2 That just means I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Car accident, something. But he was in a coma.
So he went into a coma with a daughter.

Speaker 2 He came out of a coma. And one of the first things they had to say was,

Speaker 2 your daughter's missing and has been missing, and we suspect that something bad has happened to her.

Speaker 2 How long was I asleep for? What the fuck? You know what I mean? Back under.

Speaker 2 He said that he'd never get to hug his little girl, never walk her down the aisle. He's horrible, obviously.

Speaker 2 They end up having a funeral for Lori and her two daughters. They bury them all.
They have one casket for all three. Oh, really? They're burying them all together.

Speaker 2 They're just bones at this point, anyway. So they're just kind of putting them all together.
They said because they were putting that hole together, they wanted to keep them together, basically.

Speaker 2 And they thought that Lori would want to have her kids with her, essentially.

Speaker 2 So this time,

Speaker 2 all three are placed in a white casket. There's relatives there.

Speaker 2 They have a very big, big service at the church, and they play Elvis's Peace in the Valley as they take the bodies out of the church because that was her favorite, and that was what she wanted.

Speaker 2 At the grave site, she's a veteran, remember. Right.
So then, if that wasn't sad enough, now they do the 21-gun salute, the ceremonially folded flag, which is also very sad stuff when they do that.

Speaker 2 I hated that.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's nice, but it's always something extra sad. Yeah.
I remember when my grandfather died, them doing the flag thing for my grandmother and being like, ah, I don't like that.

Speaker 2 I mean, I like it, but it's sad.

Speaker 2 It's sad.

Speaker 2 It's the horn. It's the music being played while that flag is.
It's fucked up. It is.
It's the whole thing. And it's the solemnness of it, the way how quiet they are.

Speaker 2 If they were like, hey, you got the other red A, flip this to the. Hey, you fucking idiot.
It wouldn't be as sad.

Speaker 2 And if they folded it like a beach towel or like a bigger body, it would be fine. Like a big sheet.
It was like very

Speaker 2 efficiently where it's like, I don't like this at all. With their white gloves and all that shit.
It was

Speaker 2 again.

Speaker 2 Don't like it because it's sad, not because it's not a nice thing to do. It's just sad.
They're playing taps for Christ's sake. It's just sad.

Speaker 2 So September 2004,

Speaker 2 Dustin goes on trial.

Speaker 2 He's facing 17 counts ranging from, you name it,

Speaker 2 witness tampering, murder,

Speaker 2 everything in between, basically. Now, there's some strange points to this case here.

Speaker 2 The judge, because they found out he wanted to have people come and spring him and kill everybody and go on on a murder spree. Yeah.
The judge, U.S. District Judge Mark W.

Speaker 2 Bennett, receives round-the-clock protection. Oh, he's like escorted into the court.

Speaker 2 Also, they fear that Dustin might try to escape or harm jurors or their families as well.

Speaker 2 He'll do anything, they said, to get out of this.

Speaker 2 So they enacted other extensive security measures here, including sealing jurors' identities and picking them up at a secret location before busting them into the courthouse.

Speaker 2 So no one knows who they are, where they come from,

Speaker 2 which is crazy. So there's an anonymous jury.
Also,

Speaker 2 he has to wear a stun belt, a shock belt

Speaker 2 under his clothing like Lori Vallo did. Same thing.
That's very common. It's under your clothes, so it doesn't look like whatever.
She's the first one I've heard about with it.

Speaker 2 That's amazing, like a fucking

Speaker 2 offense. Oh, it's great.
Yeah, like a dog. She's just going to accept not mean because this is a murderer.
So

Speaker 2 not as cruel. It's a dog.
They can't help what they're doing. Leave them alone.
This guy might be comical.

Speaker 2 Well, what's even more comical is he's also bolted to the floor, which is hilarious.

Speaker 2 So I'd love to see this guy try to run. He takes one step.
The chain goes. He falls.
They shock him. He's convulsing on the floor.
This would be hilarious.

Speaker 2 He's just basically got to rig that chair to where it's the remote. And

Speaker 2 if it gets to zero weight in the chair, it fucking starts shocking.

Speaker 2 There's a guy with a button. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 2 There's the button guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I remember the Laurie Vallo had a button guy. Yeah, that's awesome.
It's like, he's the button guy. So this is all very,

Speaker 2 this is not normal for trials, all of this stuff going on here. You got to have a real relaxed guy there, somebody that doesn't drink coffee and doesn't smoke.
Yeah, I would accidentally hit him.

Speaker 2 Can't have his finger hovering over the son of a bitch, you know what I mean? So they said that shackling a defendant during a trial raises two main constitutional concerns.

Speaker 2 One, these shackles could impede in the defendant's ability to participate in his case. And two, the shackles could suggest to the jury that the defendant's guilty.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's the same reason why you don't go to your trial in jail clothes. It's the same reason.
Why do they got to get him a suit? Well, because otherwise he looks guilty and it's not fair.

Speaker 2 That's why they have to get him a suit. So they have to go down to Ross and pay $80.
Trust me, it's nothing compared to what they have to pay for the rest of this shit.

Speaker 2 Don't they usually have just like a thing in the back room? Like

Speaker 2 a closet full of suits and dresses and shit? No, absolutely not. No.
they ought to. No, they should.

Speaker 2 Lawyers probably do, I would think, maybe as a couple, but normally, no, you have to have something bought for you. Because I remember hearing about the Sarah Boone case.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They went to Ross and bought her clothes because she didn't have clothes, and they bought her the worst outfits possible. Yeah, she looked like dog shit.
Didn't help her.

Speaker 2 It made her look guiltier somehow. It was weird.
Yeah, yeah. And then they took

Speaker 2 Casey Anthony over to the

Speaker 2 Murdering Whore Mother shop.

Speaker 2 Yes, they do. Well, they walked her down a hallway and they said, the dresses are down here.
And she came to a dead end, and they were like, never mind, sorry.

Speaker 2 I guess pant suits and

Speaker 2 a bit. Not this way.

Speaker 2 How's it feel, JC?

Speaker 2 How's it feel to get lied to?

Speaker 2 They're actually in a hole in a swamp is where you put your clothes. Buried in plastic.
How about that? Pant suits and a bit.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is where we keep the pizza boxes that smell really bad. You know, old pizza smells like dead corpses, obviously.
So,

Speaker 2 yeah, that's so they don't want the people to look guilty. Because if you look at someone and they're in jail clothes, shackled, they look like a prisoner who's guilty of something.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Whereas if they're not and in jail clothes, they look like normal people. So that's the whole point.

Speaker 2 So they found, though, that they needed to shackle Dustin arising from his prior escape attempts and threats against witnesses, law enforcement, and prosecutors, and the judge.

Speaker 2 They said he was head of his drug empire. He was a detail-oriented-oriented, thoughtful, cool, under-pressure guy.

Speaker 2 His lawyer said he was very involved in the factual analysis of his case. He was perhaps one of the most inquisitive clients that I've ever had.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's very smart, but he's dumb as shit. So in this trial, they put up a parade of criminals to testify against him.
It is awesome.

Speaker 2 Hilarious collection of... fucking society's dregs here.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a band of prisoners. This is the newspaper.
This is the Des Moines Register, which, by the way, did a lot of great work and a lot of good reporting on this case.

Speaker 2 You don't see a lot of good investigative reporting anymore. They just take whatever the press release is and print that, and that's it.

Speaker 2 The only investigative reporting you see is never in print anymore. It's in videos and shit.

Speaker 2 They were still doing good print work back then. And

Speaker 2 they said they described it thusly, along with all the information they'd already collected, the state paraded in a band of prisoners, cutthroats, and hog thieves, whom Honkin had met at a handful of correctional facilities.

Speaker 2 Sounds like he's got a crew of pirates that are going to come in and testify against him.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 They didn't trust the panty thieves to talk.

Speaker 2 No, no panty, the hog thieves.

Speaker 2 They stole big panties, the hog thieves. That's what they do.

Speaker 2 They each asserted that Dustin made incriminating statements about the murders, one inmate claiming he killed rats and, quote, children raised by rats.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay, that's not true. You know, Laurie's a rat, so her kids would have been rats too, like the old goodfellas thing.
Yeah, he would have been a rat. His whole fucking family's rats.

Speaker 2 Like a spider. Fuck Spider-Man.

Speaker 2 A murderer named Fred Tokars testified that in 1998, Dustin described strangling Laurie Duncan and Greg Nicholson.

Speaker 2 And because he did that first, and killing the children because, quote, they could have been witnesses.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. An inmate named Ron McIntosh, who this is crazy, whose convictions include, quote, air piracy.

Speaker 2 How do you, that's hijacking, isn't it? Yeah, but piracy means like you came on another, what did you hop on off of your plane onto their wing? How the fuck did you airplane?

Speaker 2 Skydive into another plane?

Speaker 2 I don't know how that works. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow, that is crazy.

Speaker 2 He said that Dustin told him the kids were murdered not because they could be witnesses. And this is even more disgusting.

Speaker 2 It's one thing to say, listen, I'm cold-blooded business, and I'm all business, and I don't care. He said because, quote, they wouldn't be quiet or they wouldn't shut up.
Yikes.

Speaker 2 Gee, maybe because you kidnapped them from their fucking house and tried up their mother and stuffed them in a fucking car. I wouldn't have shut up either if I was six.

Speaker 2 I would have been like, what's going on? This is terrible. Why are you doing that? Gee, mister, you're not going to hurt us, are you? Wow.
Fucking kill these kids. They won't stop asking.
Fucking

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ. Shut the fuck up.
Jesus Christ. If only they had an iPad, their lives could have been saved back in the day.

Speaker 2 Put fucking bluey on and shut up.

Speaker 2 This is horrible, though. Dennis Papozier, a criminal with a penchant for crack smoking and swine stealing, as the paper puts it.
He's one of the penchant for.

Speaker 2 I just picture him

Speaker 2 like smoking it up and then going, I got to steal some fucking hogs now. Where are the hogs? I got to steal hogs.

Speaker 2 And then it's just like, that's when he steals hogs, only when he's fucking cracked up. I got to craving for some pig feet.
Oh, I shouldn't have done that inhaling thing. Just fuck my mouth up.

Speaker 2 Ah, Jesus, that's annoying. Yeah, right? You got supposed to do it.
Sorry, everybody. I had fucking

Speaker 2 all my wisdom teeth taken out. All sorts of shit, and it's still healing.
It's so hard to talk. There's stitches everywhere in my mouth.
And I just did like that crack smoking noise, which is

Speaker 2 what you're not supposed to do at all. The position of your jaw.
Yeah. Well, you're not supposed to suck through a straw.
And I just did this whole

Speaker 2 thing. So I hope I didn't fuck something up there.
Anyway, I think it's okay. I'm not spitting out blood at the moment, so that's good.
No, you don't look like you're nothing, nothing's dripping.

Speaker 2 You're all right. That's good.
It's just dripping out of my mouth. Hold on, we'll finish the show.
We're almost finished.

Speaker 2 You can check your lips, son.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 So the crack-smoking swine stealer named David Puzzier struck up a conversation through cell blocks with Dustin Hunk.

Speaker 2 And in 1996, he said Dustin had bragged that in 1993, some people, quote, disappeared and that he had drove out to the country and shot them. Jesus.

Speaker 2 During a cross-examination of this parish, the defense attorney asked why a smart man like Dustin

Speaker 2 would confide all of his crimes, quote, in a couple of crackheads who steal hogs for a living.

Speaker 2 Hog thieves, wow. He wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 And then he described to the jury, the lawyer described all this parade of dipshits as, quote, they are people who have no future. How can they be believed?

Speaker 2 Now, the defense, lawyers focused during the trial on the fact that no forensic evidence tied Dustin to any of the crime scene. No forensic evidence.
They didn't find his hairs or anything like that.

Speaker 2 But jurors did hear audio tapes of him plotting to kill other witnesses in a drug case from night when remember when his partner wore the wire back in the day? They hear that shit.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 he's like, we shouldn't have even allowed that. That's ridiculous because you don't have any evidence in this case.
You have old evidence from other things, not even to do with these people,

Speaker 2 and fucking, you know, no physical evidence. So obviously he's innocent.
You should let him go.

Speaker 2 In the closing, they say there's lack of DNA evidence, the defense says, and other physical evidence linking him to the crime scene or the bodies.

Speaker 2 He countered the state's painting of Dustin as a cold-blooded killer, telling jurors he was, quote, just a young man infatuated with drug manufacturing.

Speaker 2 Basically, a nerd.

Speaker 2 Nerds are harmless. You know that.

Speaker 2 Imagine being described that way. Just a young man infatuated with drug manufacturing.
Like, it's just his hobby. That's all it is.

Speaker 2 Like, he's infatuated with that. Infatuated.
Girl on girl porn or something. He's infatuated with titties at the strip club.

Speaker 2 Learning all the statistics of the Charlotte Hornets because that bomber jacket is so fucking

Speaker 2 dad. That fucking teal was the shit.
He couldn't help it.

Speaker 2 Basically a nerd. Yeah.
So he can't have been a murderer. He's a harmless nerd.
Nerds don't murder. Nerds don't murder.
That's right. He's a nurderer.

Speaker 2 So, wow.

Speaker 2 The jurors here

Speaker 2 informed the court that they were ending their deliberations early one day and that they would not be deliberating the next day. We're taking a day off.
Isn't that nice?

Speaker 2 Before leaving the building, juror number 523 asked a court employee for an excuse from work for the remainder of that day and the following day because, quote, her boss had been making inappropriate comments to her about the trial.

Speaker 2 And she's not supposed to hear anything about the trial. Right.
The district court immediately investigated the allegation, questioning juror 523 that same day.

Speaker 2 Now, this juror informed the court that her boss had made comments as he walked by her desk, such as, quote, guilty, guilty, guilty, as he walked by.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm hearing shit you don't know about. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

Speaker 2 That's the greatest thing of all time. He's fun.

Speaker 2 Guilty, guilty, guilty. He just goes by and keeps going, hey, there's pizza in the break room.
Guilty, guilty, guilty.

Speaker 2 That's incredible. Guilty, guilty, guilty.
And then at times she,

Speaker 2 quote, when are you going to burn him?

Speaker 2 He's like, it's like Pauly Short and Jerry.

Speaker 2 He is. What do you think?

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 2 That's hilarious. Ah, so fun.

Speaker 2 At no time did juror 523 respond to any of her boss's comments. Okay.

Speaker 2 She never responded. She just got them put at her.

Speaker 2 Juror 523 also told the court that she had the impression that before she was picked for the jury, the company hierarchy wanted her to get out of jury service because her boss told her, quote, she should have stood up in court and said to hang him.

Speaker 2 Titherize that motherfucker. That's right.

Speaker 2 And he's mad at her, so she should have tried to get out of jury service because she's not willing to yell in court that he should be hanged before he's even convicted.

Speaker 2 This is insanity.

Speaker 2 So the court. This is boss ever.
This is boss. He sounds like a good time.
I'll tell you that much. Not helping her.

Speaker 2 Oh, absolutely. That yearly picnic is sucking.
Well, he's going to get fired for something inappropriate.

Speaker 2 There's no way he's sticking around long enough to retire, but boy, is he fine. No,

Speaker 2 he fingered a secretary while she was trying to change the copier toner. Absolutely.
Without a doubt. You know it happened.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 So the court questioned juror 523, focusing on what she may have said to other jurors about her boss's comments.

Speaker 2 Juror 523 said she had voiced her concerns about the jury's decision not to deliberate that day, saying she wanted to get her life back and explaining how hard it was for her to switch gears and go back to work.

Speaker 2 Like, can we get this over with? Because I got to get back to work one of these days. She acknowledged telling some other jurors that her boss had said guilty, guilty, guilty.

Speaker 2 At the conclusion of questioning, the parties and the court agreed to remove 523 from the juror deliberations and replace her with an alternate.

Speaker 2 Which is fine. They said she didn't poison the whole jury pool enough to yank everybody, but she should probably go.
Sure. Even though I don't think it matters.
But the verdict comes in.

Speaker 2 It's a 10-woman, two-man jury.

Speaker 2 Imagine those women all had to sit and think about, what if my kids were in a fucking car while I was being blindfolded and let out to a fucking hole? They all had to think about that.

Speaker 2 Absolutely awful. Not good for him.

Speaker 2 He is convicted of all 17 charges relating to five murders and witness tampering and threats and everything else going down here.

Speaker 2 Now, during sentencing, there's a whole lot of victim impact, and deservedly so.

Speaker 2 One person here,

Speaker 2 wow, this is just horrible. This is

Speaker 2 one of the uncles, one of Lori's uncles, I believe. Because of Dustin Honkin, there will be no more talks, no more playtime, no more adventures for Candy and Amber.

Speaker 2 Your selfish act of slaughtering innocents got you a place in hell forever. And the deal you made with the devil is about to be paid for forever.

Speaker 2 And then said somebody else, this is DeGeis's sister, death is what they deserve, an eye for an eye. But Dustin won't die five times.
He'll only die once. Is that fair?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, it's kind of all we have at this point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, what do you want to do? You want to revive him?

Speaker 2 He's only one person. That's like it's raining, and you're going, this isn't fair.
There's more drops than I'd like. Well, how do you fix that? It's not fixable.

Speaker 2 Another sister of de Geis said he's in denial. He just wants his mom to think that he didn't do it.

Speaker 2 He's saying he didn't do it.

Speaker 2 Now, Terry DeGeese's father said about this. He's very short and sweet.
He talked about Dustin and said, he's too smart. He's too smart for his own good, that one.

Speaker 2 He thought he could get away with everything, and that's the problem.

Speaker 2 Lori Duncan's father

Speaker 2 believes that Dustin should get the death penalty if convicted. He said, we really, really want this case to be resolved in our favor.
The death penalty would be in our favor.

Speaker 2 Anything less just isn't right. Anyone who can harm children deserves it.
Children are completely innocent. And it's hard to argue with that.
I mean, two little girls, especially. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 If it was two little boys, it'd be horrible, but for some reason, less horrible in my book. I don't know why that is.

Speaker 2 Why is that? It's because, I don't know. Maybe it's a little bit of a...
Father, there's something about a little girl that's a little bit more.

Speaker 2 Because when you were a little boy, you feel like you can relate with that, and you feel like maybe you could have gotten out of it.

Speaker 2 you were a ragtag little shit maybe you could have yeah you know what i mean as little girls especially fucking six and ten those are defenseless little girls they're not gonna win any fight true well and also if you like we both have a boy and a girl just kids yeah you the even if they're equally everything you you just for some reason you try to protect the girl more physically emotionally for some reason

Speaker 2 home alone boys are for

Speaker 2 boys boys are for well, there's a lot

Speaker 2 with a boy, there's a lot more walk it off, yeah.

Speaker 2 And if they can't walk it off,

Speaker 2 they'll figure it out. Walk it off, fucking heat up the doorknob, yeah, you know what I mean? Put a fucking

Speaker 2 bucket a feather up there,

Speaker 2 set this man's face on fire. What are we talking about here? Get your shit together, make a man stab his own toes, line up the matchbox cars, dude.

Speaker 2 Stephanie's nails.

Speaker 2 Oh, Christ. Now, Dustin's going to to speak as well.

Speaker 2 He rose to speak.

Speaker 2 Wow. They said that his statement in the Des Moines Register said his statement was so articulate and expressive, even the victims' families noticed how eloquent it was.

Speaker 2 Which at that point makes you even madder. Like, oh, you're not even stupid.
I really want to strangle you now. Yeah, you're actually very smart.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You actually could have made just a normal living and not killed anybody. Fuck you.
So he turned to his mother first, Dustin does, and apologized.

Speaker 2 He said, quote, were I as a perennial, I would bloom for you next year so you could smile.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Then he made it clear from this that he would not be apologizing at all. He said, quote, some of you came today hoping to see me squirm, tremble in fear, or beg for mercy.

Speaker 2 Sorry, but you're wasting your time. Oh, boy.
Oh, man.

Speaker 2 He knows what he's getting and he doesn't want to be, yeah.

Speaker 2 He acknowledged that the families had suffered a senseless destruction of a human life but insisted quote your vengeance toward me is misguided

Speaker 2 he insisted that he only learned of the killings after the fact and that no story currently circulating about the murders is true He said jurors only had a keyhole view onto what happened.

Speaker 2 He acknowledged concealing the evidence, but said he did so to protect Angela. That's why he was doing it, because she was the one who did it.

Speaker 2 He said also he refused to testify earlier because he did not want to harm her trial.

Speaker 2 Felt bad.

Speaker 2 He said, everybody has principles until it costs them something. I'm willing to pay with my life for those that I have.
In other words, to save Angela from her bullshit.

Speaker 2 Even though they have a kid together, maybe saying, you know, I want to save the kid's mother.

Speaker 2 He said, I was convicted because of passion, not hard evidence. Oh.

Speaker 2 Poof. I have committed wrong

Speaker 2 passion of the juror wanting to hold someone responsible for dead kids.

Speaker 2 He said, I've committed wrongs, both known and unknown. He said,

Speaker 2 but never have I taken another's life. Thought it? Yes.
Verbalized it? Yes. Done it? No.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 He also praised some of the prosecution team for dealing with him fairly, but referred to half of them as, quote, magicians and tricksters.

Speaker 2 He ridiculed U.S. District Judge Mark Bennett for failing to give him a new trial and urged Bennett to, quote, skip the speech and just pronounce the sentence.
It speaks volumes by itself.

Speaker 2 I don't want to hear your fucking lecturing,

Speaker 2 which, guess what? You don't have a choice. Sorry, bud.
If I was the judge, I'd get real comfortable and be like, well, I'd sit back because I got a whole lot to say, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 I was going to just sentence you, but now I really have to tell you. So the judge says, no, no problem.
You, sir, may fuck off death penalty. Oh, how's that? That's great.

Speaker 2 Federal death penalty. E-Dicks, he says to him.
Now,

Speaker 2 the death penalty in Iowa hasn't happened very often.

Speaker 2 The last federal execution was Victor Harry Figure Figure, who was a drifter who was hanged at the Iowa State Penitentiary on March 15th, 1963, for kidnapping and killing a debuke doctor.

Speaker 2 He was the 41st person legally executed in Iowa and the first person executed under the 1932 federal kidnapping law.

Speaker 2 So the last federal execution of an Iowa person was in 1963. There's no way it's happening.
Wow.

Speaker 2 And then Congress, the federal law, Congress revived the federal death penalty in 1988 with a narrow law aimed at murderers by drug dealers. In 1994, 40 crimes were declared capital offenses.

Speaker 2 Still, Figure was the last to be executed by the federal court system until Timothy McVeigh was put to death on June 11, 2001 for the Oklahoma City bombing.

Speaker 2 Now, Iowa itself abolished its death penalty in 1965.

Speaker 2 It is one of 12 states at that time that didn't have any capital punishment, including Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 And we went over this in our history of the death penalty Patreon episode.

Speaker 2 They had very specific reasons for doing that. They were all

Speaker 2 listen to that episode. It's very good.
So, May of 2005, Angela Johnson finally going to go on trial. Okay, great.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Federal authorities described her as a ruthlessly ambitious woman who slept her way to the top of Honkins' meth business, started with Terry DeGeese, pushed him aside, and then got with the leader of the whole group.

Speaker 2 She was a queen pin trying to get to the top with her queen poon.

Speaker 2 That was terrible. That was a bad pun.
That was bad. I mean, she's got to do something.

Speaker 2 This is just,

Speaker 2 there is no corporate structure here.

Speaker 2 What are you going to do? There's no, how do you, there's no way to get it. I want that CEO's golden parachute time that he's going to get.
This is ridiculous with my fucking queen poon.

Speaker 2 I don't like it. So,

Speaker 2 yeah, she's actively slept her way to the top.

Speaker 2 Prosecutors acknowledge that it was Dustin who pulled the trigger in all five shootings, but simply being the shooter doesn't mean you're more culpable, especially if you're her who fucking did the ruse to get into the house and also went up with the kids and said, pack up, kids, we're going on a surprise trip.

Speaker 2 Fuck you, you're just as responsible. So they basically it's all the same evidence that they had against Dustin, except against her.

Speaker 2 They even have all the shit from that cell, the guy next door, the maps she drew and everything else.

Speaker 2 So the jury deliberates for seven hours before finding her guilty of five counts of conspiracy to commit murder as part of a drug conspiracy and five counts of committing murder while engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 The jury here comes out.

Speaker 2 During her sentencing, she continued to blame Justin and said, I regret I wasn't strong enough. She called Dustin a sociopath who will never admit to what he's done.

Speaker 2 Wow. Now the judge said, quote, I am troubled by the lack of certainty in the record concerning the precise involvement of Angela Johnson in these crimes.

Speaker 2 However, by federal law, he is bound to the jury's decision, and he says, you, ma'am, may fuck off death sentence for you too. Oh, what?

Speaker 2 The jury brought back the death sentence.

Speaker 2 The judge did not agree with it. The judge said, I'm troubled by the fact that he basically set it up so she's going to get off on it on appeal because he said

Speaker 2 there's not an I wouldn't have given the death penalty because I don't see enough precise involvement and evidence of precise involvement to give her the death penalty.

Speaker 2 But then on appeal, it just goes to reception.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it would still be guilty, just that. Now, 2007, she appeals.

Speaker 2 The United States Court of Appeals of the Eighth Circuit upholds the conviction, finding sufficient evidence to conclude that she had participated in the murders.

Speaker 2 She asserts that the murders could not have been committed in furtherance of a drug conspiracy because the conspiracy had ended in late 1992 when CutComp left Arizona and Dustin told his brother he was going to stop producing meth.

Speaker 2 meth. That assertion is incorrect, though, despite what Honkin may have told his brother and despite

Speaker 2 CutComp's move to Iowa. I think Kuntcomp is a better way to put it.

Speaker 2 The evidence, included the evidence of the events culminating in Honkin's March 93 arrest, demonstrates that Honkin and CutComp had, in fact, continued their methamphetamine-related activities.

Speaker 2 Johnson also suggests that the conspiracy terminated no later than March 93 when Honkin and others were arrested and Nicholson began cooperating with the authorities.

Speaker 2 A conspiracy may persist, however, even if the participants and their activities change over time and even if many participants are unaware of or uninvolved in some of the transactions.

Speaker 2 She said also, there should have been mitigating factors that you guys thought of. Oh.

Speaker 2 Even though she's guilty as an aid or an abettor, her participation was relatively minor compared to Dustin Honkin. She doesn't have a criminal record.

Speaker 2 There's a strong maternal bond between Angela Johnson and her daughters, Alyssa and Marvia, and that this mother-daughter relationship will continue to survive and flourish if Angela is sentenced to life imprisonment without parole rather than death.

Speaker 2 They said another person, Dustin, is equally or more culpable in the murders of the whole family.

Speaker 2 They said that.

Speaker 2 Two of the victims, Greg and Terry, consented to the conduct, methamphetamine

Speaker 2 manufacturing and distribution, and that significantly contributed to the circumstances of their death. Like they putting themselves in bad positions.

Speaker 2 Which, yeah, if you're in a meth-dealing empire, yeah, you are putting yourself in a bad position.

Speaker 2 She also demonstrated that she, Angela did that she can lead a productive, worthwhile life in prison through her kindness and helpfulness to other inmates, her interest in Bible study and religion, her artistic endeavors, and furtherance of her education by obtaining a GED while incarcerated after having dropped out of school in the ninth grade to begin with.

Speaker 2 In spite of her problems, problems with drugs, men, and her own depression, Angela has always held a steady job and consistently worked to provide for the care and comfort of her daughters, Alyssa and Marvia.

Speaker 2 Although she is guilty of these murders, Angela Johnson was pregnant by Dustin with her daughter at the time of the murders and as a result was in a disadvantaged position to resist him, leave him, or turn him into the authorities.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 She's always been a good mother to her daughters.

Speaker 2 She communicates with them regularly, stays as active as possible in their life, and attempts to pass on the values and beliefs that will help her daughters avoid her own her fate.

Speaker 2 There are other factors in Angela Johnson's background or character that mitigate in favor of a life sentence imprisonment without possibility of parole and against the death penalty.

Speaker 2 They say, tough shit, still death penalty. Affirm.

Speaker 2 He appeals in 2010, raising dozens of objections and arguing that his sentences should be overturned, not just

Speaker 2 resentencing. Commuted.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He argues that the use of a stun gun belt interfered with his right to communicate with counsel and participate in his own defense.

Speaker 2 In support of his argument, he cites an 11th Circuit case which explains, although stun belts are not visible to the jury and are therefore unlikely to interfere with the presumption of innocence, the constant anxiety over the possible triggering of the belt interferes with the defendant's ability to follow the proceedings and participate fully in his defense.

Speaker 2 As long as the guy isn't like flipping the remote up and down in his hand and like playing with it and shit. And, you know what I'm saying? Like

Speaker 2 just dicking off with it, standing there. I picture like an Atari controller with a joystick and he's just like screwing around with it a little bit, flipping it up and down, bored,

Speaker 2 some shit like that. He also contends because he was shackled and bolted to the floor, he wasn't going anywhere and the use of the stun belt constituted impermissible piling on.

Speaker 2 The district court agreed the use of a stun belt should be subjected to close judicial scrutiny because of its potentially disruptive effect on the rights and fairness.

Speaker 2 He also contends the district court erred by placing juror 523 with alternate juror 425 during penalty phase deliberations and did not allow a substitution. Yada, yada, keep getting fucked.

Speaker 2 You're out. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Affirm.

Speaker 2 March 2012, Angela Johnson, another appeal,

Speaker 2 this time saying that her lawyers failed to present evidence about her brain and personality impairments that could have been mitigating factors.

Speaker 2 And the judge judge orders a new sentencing hearing for Angela.

Speaker 2 He then vacates the death sentence, citing

Speaker 2 a quote, alarmingly dysfunctional defense team.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 And because they didn't introduce a bunch of mitigating factors that any lawyer would have. So they say to her, you, ma'am, may now fuck off again.
Life without. Okay.

Speaker 2 So now she's going, life without parole, but no death penalty. Damn it.
I was hoping to hear what a gal eats for the last meal.

Speaker 2 Weird. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What would they have? I'll just have something small. I'll just have a light salad.
I'll just have a little of whatever Dustin's having. I'll have some of his fries.

Speaker 2 I'll just have a bite of that. I'll have a pick off of that.
Get your own.

Speaker 2 Get your own goddamn last meal.

Speaker 2 So October 2013. That's amazing.
A woman's last meal will be picking off someone else's plate. Because after they said they didn't want any.

Speaker 2 I'll see what's left of your salad. It's fine.
October 2013, will his sentence get tossed here? A U.S.

Speaker 2 district judge writes that Dustin received a fair trial in 2004 and effective legal counsel at every step of the process. She said she saw no reason to, quote, disturb the jury's determination that

Speaker 2 death is the appropriate punishment for this case.

Speaker 2 So December 2014, prosecutors dropped their pursuit of the death penalty in Angela Johnson's case. They dropped their appeals to the appeal,

Speaker 2 leaving her to be sentenced with life without parole. Her lawyer said she was extremely relieved and grateful upon hearing of the decision, and she was re-sentenced officially as that.

Speaker 2 As part of this agreement, she agrees to drop all of her appeals as well. All right.
She's going to take it now.

Speaker 2 She's going to take it. She's going to take the life without, which is what she wanted the whole time.

Speaker 2 2018, Lori's dad, John Duncan, who had been pushing to have Dustin executed for years, dies of stomach cancer before he gets a chance to see it.

Speaker 2 His lawyer said he was very sad when he knew he was passing because he wasn't going to see this happen. We assumed, or we assured him, that we would be there for him.

Speaker 2 Now, these have been removed from online, but he was, Dustin was blogging. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was chronicling death row inmates' lives.

Speaker 2 He wrote that he regretted every single transgression, adding that while he used to, quote, enjoy punishing a rival, now he just wants to be left alone in peace

Speaker 2 well after they kill you he'll be very peaceful and alone when these people finally get around to killing me he wrote they'll realize only the shell of me remains the heart of me died long ago i don't think anyone cares you killed kids and they just want to wipe you away i i'm shocked that you had one

Speaker 2 yeah no shit so the justice department announces that the

Speaker 2 july of 2019 justice department of the united states announces that the bureau of prisons has completed a review of capital punishment and issues surrounding lethal injection drugs, allowing the execution of five inmates.

Speaker 2 And luckily for Dustin, he's one of them. He hit the lottery here, to proceed.
They're going to let him go through.

Speaker 2 November 2019, a district judge in D.C. blocks the execution of Dustin and three other men because of the lethal injection procedure was not authorized by federal law.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they got to let legal challenges play out. January 15th, 2020, supposed to be execution day

Speaker 2 in Terre Haute, Indiana, but it's postponed due to a preliminary injunction.

Speaker 2 By the way, he has his supporters.

Speaker 2 He stopped talking in public after he was sentenced, but maintains his innocence.

Speaker 2 Many in the faith community have expressed opposition to executing Dustin, including his spiritual advisor, Cardinal Joseph Tobin, and his current priest, Father Marco Keefe, who filed an injunction to delay the proceeding until after COVID's over.

Speaker 2 He went Catholic, huh? Yeah, he went Catholic in prison.

Speaker 2 He would be the first

Speaker 2 Iowa criminal executed since 1963.

Speaker 2 People also want him dead, though.

Speaker 2 Here is one relatives of a victim said he does deserve what he's getting. I can tell you that.
He deserved it a long time ago. This is Lori Duncan's sister-in-law.
She said she didn't know,

Speaker 2 this woman said that Duncan didn't know Nicholson was an informant and she wasn't involved in drugs.

Speaker 2 She said that she was a very sweet, innocent person, and what happened to be put in a bad situation is awful. Now,

Speaker 2 the judge who actually sentenced him to death said he deserves it. This guy, by the way, Mark Bennett, is on record as being opposed to the death penalty.
Oh, really? He's not a death penalty guy.

Speaker 2 He said, but if anyone deserves to be executed, it's that motherfucker right there.

Speaker 2 That squirrelly little nerd asshole. The fact that he's a nerd makes it worse.
Yeah. You want to go, you fucking nerd, get in that seat so he can stick you, you fucking nerd.
Get over here, nerd.

Speaker 2 You just want to abuse him on the way out? As I say, give him a fucking wedgie. On the way to the execution room, you stick his head in the toilet and flush it, give him a nice swirly.

Speaker 2 He's going to be tied down. Just piss on his face.
It's whatever it is. Teabag him.
That's what they used to do to nerds, right?

Speaker 2 Get like five guys from his high school football team to come over and teabag him. They're like 48 now.
Their balls are all smelly and dangling.

Speaker 2 After a whole day of HVAC and shit, they're going to go over there and and teabag them good.

Speaker 2 Now, this judge says that his crimes were reprehensible and that he had a fair legal process, including talented lawyers who did an outstanding job with virtually nothing to work with.

Speaker 2 The judge said, I am not going to lose any sleep if he's executed. He said, normally I would, but the evidence was so overwhelming, it's just horrific how they were massacred.

Speaker 2 Fuck them, basically. July 13th, 2020, the U.S.
Attorney General directed the Federal Bureau of Prisons to schedule the executions of four men here. That same judge in D.C.

Speaker 2 issued another injunction blocking the execution of those four men. At 2 a.m., though, that day, on July 13th, the U.S.
Supreme Court ruled that federal executions could resume.

Speaker 2 So July 17th, 2020 is execution day for him.

Speaker 2 By the way, there's an article about how much executions cost. It is obscene.

Speaker 2 The actual event of? The actual event is hundreds of thousands of dollars because they have to fly.

Speaker 2 They pay for everybody to come there. Everybody to come there.
They pay for.

Speaker 2 They were talking about what it costs just to have individual bags of chips in the snack room and waters and bus rides and special accommodations for family members and wheelchairs.

Speaker 2 It costs like $700,000 to execute just for the act of doing it that day.

Speaker 2 Really expensive. You could house them forever for the cost of just the execution.
Never mind all the appeals. The drugs

Speaker 2 that are purchased, too, are very expensive. Yes.
They're expensive. The equipment, the people they have to hire, the actual tubes and needles and things, all that shit's expensive.

Speaker 2 So here it is. Execution day.
Last meal.

Speaker 2 His last meal was...

Speaker 2 What do you think it is, Jimmy? Ah.

Speaker 2 The pasta? Did he

Speaker 2 say not pasta? No, he didn't, actually. No, who would have nerd from others?

Speaker 2 A lot of these dicks love a steak.

Speaker 2 Dinner from Pizza Hut. What? Why is that a thing, too? I don't know.
Pizza Hut. They love dominoes or Pizza Hut? Just bad pizza and steaks.
It's one of those things that maybe is nostalgic, though.

Speaker 2 Makes you feel like you're 12 again and innocent. Yeah, you're so excited.
And not about to be executed.

Speaker 2 It's all that cheap, shitty pizza in the house, and you come home and you go, oh, it's pizza night. Oh, wow.
I'm not going to be executed tonight. Great.

Speaker 2 This is a large pepperoni pizza and a two-liter bottle of Coke and a large order of breadsticks. Okay.

Speaker 2 Total cost $33.11.

Speaker 2 $35 to feed this piece of shit. This is what's kind of silly is what I'm saying here.
What we do.

Speaker 2 A lot of people, because a lot of states have done away with the last meal because they say it's too expensive, but it costs them hundreds of thousands of dollars just to actually do the actual event and execute them.

Speaker 2 But they don't want to spend $40 on food for somebody that they're going to execute.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Even back in the brutal medieval times, you gave someone a last meal. Yeah.
Big target. You can put a cigarette in their mouth before you fucking shot them from the firing squad.

Speaker 2 There's certain things that as humans, we go, listen, don't care what they did. I'm not a piece of shit.
You're not getting out of this. Yeah.
And I'm kind of on the hook for doing this.

Speaker 2 You do better. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it's not a big deal to get somebody a fucking pizza after you're going to kill them the next day. Who cares? So anyway,

Speaker 2 they walk in.

Speaker 2 This is, by the way, a reporter that was there said, We walked in single file into the small cinder block room and sat facing two four-foot windows, each trimmed in dark green.

Speaker 2 The scene we'd all come to watch would play out from the other side of the windows, like a perverse version of

Speaker 2 Mr. Rogers' neighborhood.
Oh, yeah, picture, picture.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 2 At 4:03 p.m., the windows curtain raised, revealing a small tile-covered chamber. That's the weird thing, too.
It's like a theater, like the show's on now, raising a curtain.

Speaker 2 And the movie's starting. Shh,

Speaker 2 so weird. Yeah, shut up.
Let's go to the lobby. It's too late.
Fuck the raisinets. We're watching this.
Honkin lay on a gurney that was part Hannibal Lecter Dolly and part dentist chair.

Speaker 2 His arms were in a low V at his side, two thick straps holding down each wrist and a light green blanket covering his body save for his head.

Speaker 2 The marshal stood directly in front of us near a black phone, a senior official wearing black gloves by Honkins' head, and another senior official off to the side with his priest Mark O'Keefe.

Speaker 2 So he was executed. His final words were

Speaker 2 a poem.

Speaker 2 A poem. What?

Speaker 2 Heaven Haven by Gerald Manley Hopkins.

Speaker 2 I have designed it.

Speaker 2 Okay. He's going to read somebody else's shit? I have.
He's not a poet. He's a nerd, not a poet.

Speaker 2 I have desired to go where springs not fail, to field where flies no sharp and sided hail, and a few lilies blow, and I have asked to be where no storms come, where all the green swell is in the havens dumb, and out of the swing of the sea, and then he said, Hail Mary, Mother of God, pray for me.

Speaker 2 He had all that time in there. Couldn't write a little poem?

Speaker 2 An awful, no, that's a poem from somebody. Yeah, that's what I mean.
Yeah. He didn't write the poem.

Speaker 2 You're saying he could have wrote the poem. I don't think he has a talent to write a poem.
I think he's a math nerd. Maybe.
Math nerds don't write poetry generally. Feels like 30 years.

Speaker 2 There are 20 years in there. You should be able to get something.
Poets are bad at math. I mean, that expresses it perfectly.

Speaker 2 Either way, this dip shit then had an awful, terrible, like heartburn pizza hut burp afterwards because that shit's brutal, I'm sure. And he was like, definitely execute me.

Speaker 2 This is never going to go away. Oh, this is going to last 24 hours.

Speaker 2 So Honkin's lawyer said that his client was redeemed because he had repented for his crimes. He said there's no reason for the government to kill him, in haste or at all.

Speaker 2 The man they killed today could have spent the rest of his days helping others and further redeeming himself.

Speaker 2 The Des Moines Register quotes it this way.

Speaker 2 Honkin's brutal tale of meth and murder reads like a made-up thriller, with a cast of characters drawn together by drugs, money, or pure bad luck, and a plot too outrageous for real life.

Speaker 2 There's Honkin, either evil incarnate or a man too smart for his own good, whose rough upbringing started him down a dark path.

Speaker 2 There's his girlfriend and partner, Angela Johnson, either a savagely ambitious woman who slept her way to the top of a meth empire, or a drug-addicted young mother manipulated by a man who so craved money, power, and success he'd stop at nothing to take down anyone in his way.

Speaker 2 And there are his victims, some casualties of the life they chose, and some others who were innocents, felled by wolves preying on their young, or Iowa nice culture.

Speaker 2 There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is Iowa nice a thing? That's what they say a hundred times in this episode. Iowa nice, which that's why Iowa and Minnesota hate each other because Minnesota is like, no, it's Minnesota nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We got hot dish. They're like, yeah, fuck you.
We made corn and casserole, motherfucker. What's up with that? I'm nicer.
No, you're nicer. No, I'm nicer.
And they fight back and forth.

Speaker 2 I've met people from both. They're both pretty nice.
I've never met them. They're both pretty goddamn nice.

Speaker 2 Bring up the other, though.

Speaker 2 They turn not nice real quick. Oh, then that's when they're not nice.
They hate it. It's so weird.
I think it's just college football, honestly.

Speaker 2 I think it's just we hate the Hawkeyes and we hate whatever the fuck Minnesota is. So

Speaker 2 I don't know. There you go.
The Screaming Eagles, Minnesota State of Craig T. Nelson's coach, I believe, is what we're talking about.
There is Mason City, Iowa. It's a

Speaker 2 what a wild story.

Speaker 2 Wow. It's really fucked up.
It's fucked. It's a fucked up story.

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Speaker 2 Possibly. Yeah, Summer School.
It's Scott. I just gave you a Fraser reference there.
That's a nice one there. What is that one?

Speaker 2 Of the Newport Chainsaws. Oh, all right.
Yeah. That's it.
Yeah. Clearly.
Yeah. Mr.
Chainsaw, the Glenports. Laguna, I think.

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I don't know what that means. I don't know if they're tacos the party.

Speaker 2 I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 Melinda Yimenez. Tacos are always good.

Speaker 2 Tacos are rarely

Speaker 2 they might be more acceptable

Speaker 2 than bad pizza. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure.
Yeah, much easier. Taco Bell makes great tacos.
But they're not good tacos. No worst parts.
They're not incredible. It's just so fun.

Speaker 2 Whereas the worst pizza is really bad. It really is.
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Rachel.

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Speaker 2 Iwanicki, Samantha Fisher,

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Sherry from Akron. Ashley with no last name.
Mothman Farms. Laura Ansel.

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Michelle Ormand. What is this? Autumn Sunset.
Probably not. Keaton, unless their parents maybe were hippies.
It's possible.

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