The Chopped Swamp Murders - Ville Platte, Louisiana

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Speaker 51 That said, I think it's time, everybody.

Speaker 52 Here we go.

Speaker 63 Here we go to sit back.

Speaker 52 Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here?

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Speaker 77 Let's do this, everybody. Okay.

Speaker 27 Let's go on a trip, shall we? Uh-huh. We are going down to Louisiana this week.

Speaker 79 Oh, boy.

Speaker 42 And when I say we're going down to the bayou, I mean we are going down to the bayou.

Speaker 68 Is that what we're doing?

Speaker 59 We absolutely are.

Speaker 18 This is Ville Platte, Louisiana.

Speaker 7 Ville Platte. Ville Platte.
Nope, Ville.

Speaker 82 Nope, V-I-L-L, or V-I-L-L-E.

Speaker 64 Separate word, P-L-A-T-T-E.

Speaker 65 It's French for flat town.

Speaker 79 Oh.

Speaker 22 Flat town, because that's swamp down there.

Speaker 84 Yeah.

Speaker 85 Now, this, by the way.

Speaker 72 French for sea level.

Speaker 83 For sea level.

Speaker 86 Beneath sea level.

Speaker 65 French for hope the levees hold.

Speaker 7 Now,

Speaker 27 this place is not the exact town that the murder took place in, as we'll figure it out.

Speaker 57 It is no one knows exactly where it took place.

Speaker 56 So this is the town where like the trial happened and was kind of the center of it all. So we're just using this town

Speaker 56 from four or five different towns.

Speaker 40 This is in dead center, Louisiana.

Speaker 89 If there was a bullseye in Louisiana, it would be this place.

Speaker 68 It's about two and a half hours to New Orleans down in the southeast, and it's about two and a half hours to Shreveport up in the northwest there.

Speaker 21 So it's in the middle of those and about an hour and a half to Lake Charles, Louisiana, which was our last Louisiana episode, way back episode 578.

Speaker 91 It's been a long time.

Speaker 67 It's been since March.

Speaker 25 Video Poker Playboy Murder.

Speaker 88 That was a fun one.

Speaker 31 I remember that one.

Speaker 88 The dude with the constantly playing video poker and getting caught on casino cameras.

Speaker 40 This is in the Evangeline parish.

Speaker 23 And oh boy, was there a dispute of that too?

Speaker 92 That was half the dispute here.

Speaker 14 Area code 337, population here, 6,488.

Speaker 64 Median household income here.

Speaker 81 Yeah. Wow.
Rest of the country.

Speaker 26 69,000 bucks. Yeah.

Speaker 87 Here, $21,818.

Speaker 7 Household. Household.

Speaker 12 Think about that.

Speaker 19 Dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 29 People bringing home five grand a year.

Speaker 86 Wow, that each.

Speaker 83 Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 19 College kids?

Speaker 99 Jesus.

Speaker 14 But the median home price actually fits.

Speaker 64 The median home price here, $97,100.

Speaker 63 Yeah, this place is rough.

Speaker 85 The motto. This shit's amphibious.

Speaker 100 Wow.

Speaker 41 It's going to have to be if it rains.

Speaker 40 The motto here, experience the Cajun Heartland.

Speaker 19 Is that what it is?

Speaker 29 The Cajun Heartland I've never heard before, but okay.

Speaker 101 A little bit of history here.

Speaker 102 The area around Ville Platte seemed to have been first settled in the kind of the late 1700s when Louisiana was still under Spanish rule.

Speaker 8 Sure. This is

Speaker 56 before even

Speaker 29 the French and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 81 So this was in the kind of they said, I guess the earliest record of any settlements about the 1780s.

Speaker 15 Apparently, the popular legend has it that the founder of Ville Platte was Marceline Gueron,

Speaker 61 who was, I guess, a major in the army of the French Empire during the reign of Napoleon.

Speaker 109 Nice.

Speaker 45 He obtained one of the first two lots that were platted in what is now Ville-Platte, and the second lot being obtained by Dr.

Speaker 113 Robert Windex, who had the cleanest windows in all of town.

Speaker 19 Is it the guy that invented the formula?

Speaker 7 Hell, fucking. Maybe.

Speaker 70 I don't know.

Speaker 15 1824 seems a little early for

Speaker 71 a chemical compound like that, probably.

Speaker 19 The smell of that smells like it was probably invented in 1824.

Speaker 66 I don't think that color blue was invented yet.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 116 Back then you just...

Speaker 42 Back then you just spit on a window and wiped it off with a shitty rag.

Speaker 115 Yeah, that was how you did it.

Speaker 15 So in 1900, Ville Platte had a population of 163.

Speaker 118 Then the railroad came and it, you know, started to go up from there.

Speaker 36 Booming, yeah.

Speaker 49 Got laid out in a grid and everything.

Speaker 55 By 1910, they had 600 people and then it was going up from there.

Speaker 21 Now, here's a couple reviews of this town because we've never been there.

Speaker 71 We don't know anything about it.

Speaker 89 Most people haven't, it seems like.

Speaker 67 Most people have not experienced the Cajun heartland, so we're going to talk about it.

Speaker 19 Most people call their place Ville as the second part of the word.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, French.

Speaker 98 That's why nobody the other way.

Speaker 19 Do they do that?

Speaker 88 In French, yeah, it's like Italian. It goes backwards.

Speaker 19 And Spanish, too.

Speaker 76 That's why it's flat town, but it really means town flat if you did it.

Speaker 98 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Five stars.

Speaker 21 Everyone knows everyone in this town.

Speaker 49 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 48 My family and best friends are in this town.

Speaker 54 It's a great town.

Speaker 114 Stop saying it.

Speaker 87 There may not be a lot to do in this

Speaker 37 town, but there are plenty of job opportunities.

Speaker 49 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 56 Keep that in mind for everyone else's complaints.

Speaker 66 Three stars, somewhat family-oriented.

Speaker 50 Somewhat. Somewhat.

Speaker 88 Not all the way.

Speaker 38 But needs more job opportunities.

Speaker 18 Plenty.

Speaker 65 By the way, those two reviews were left a month apart from each other, too.

Speaker 6 So it's not even like. It died fast.
It died real fast.

Speaker 80 Not nearly enough places to eat, shop, et cetera.

Speaker 85 Schools are small, but not the greatest.

Speaker 40 People here tend to still think like the old Cajun ways and are somewhat closed-minded.

Speaker 7 It's the middle of the Cajun way.

Speaker 102 Who the hell knows?

Speaker 19 Old Bay on everything?

Speaker 73 That's the Baltimore way.

Speaker 88 That's what that is.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 What do they put?

Speaker 19 I guess they put some stuff.

Speaker 71 They put cayenne and paprika and all that shit on there, but it's a different

Speaker 116 formula, I suppose.

Speaker 26 Different amount.

Speaker 128 Three stars here.

Speaker 63 Ville Platte has a lot of culture from the Smoked Meat Festival, now we're talking, to the

Speaker 37 Tornoy and Tea Cotton Bowl.

Speaker 111 We'll talk about that.

Speaker 49 But there's not really much room to grow.

Speaker 103 Ville Platte is a small town that have no real job opportunities or even entertainment.

Speaker 18 They don't even have that.

Speaker 49 Don't even have it.

Speaker 112 And then two stars, all small towns in general, just aren't as great as big cities.

Speaker 33 Let's be honest.

Speaker 129 True.

Speaker 22 It depends on what you're looking for, I guess.

Speaker 19 It depends on what you consider a small town, but

Speaker 22 what you like.

Speaker 41 I mean, some people like

Speaker 79 sitting on a quiet porch.

Speaker 68 Some people like walking crowded streets. It's up to you.

Speaker 19 You need a lifestyle change.

Speaker 7 Get after it, man.

Speaker 73 Ville Platte has such a high crime rate.

Speaker 26 I looked it up.

Speaker 67 The property crime's pretty high, but the...

Speaker 56 violent crime's pretty much on point.

Speaker 27 This makes citizens like me feel very uncomfortable to even go to the town.

Speaker 29 Changes need to be made to minimize the amount of crime in this area.

Speaker 36 Well, good luck.

Speaker 71 They don't really do a lot, they don't do a lot in rural places usually.

Speaker 49 They go, well, we're fine.

Speaker 19 And, you know, there's not a lot of mass murder. We're going to keep it the way it is.

Speaker 130 So, things to do here.

Speaker 31 Well, the murder rate is not good there in Louisiana and rural Louisiana, too.

Speaker 116 Oh, yeah. It's bad.

Speaker 89 It's real, it's one of the highest in the country, of anywhere.

Speaker 80 Things to do here: the Louisiana Cotton Festival.

Speaker 98 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 70 They have the Louisiana.

Speaker 18 I'm comfortable with that.

Speaker 40 The Louisiana cotton queen is chosen from any girl throughout the state.

Speaker 64 They must be 17 to 22 years of age, though.

Speaker 24 Any girl,

Speaker 119 they have to be kind of still teen hot, though.

Speaker 49 We need, you know, perky tits we're looking for. You know, come on.

Speaker 122 We don't want any old.

Speaker 19 Who's the oldest?

Speaker 29 No 23-year-olds around here.

Speaker 62 We don't want to look like you got a couple of sacks of cotton hanging off your chest.

Speaker 113 We need this to be

Speaker 76 a different story.

Speaker 20 The queens are expected to remain single during her reign of one year.

Speaker 19 What?

Speaker 132 They will strip your cotton crown from you if you decide to hook up with anybody.

Speaker 23 That is crazy.

Speaker 19 What is there? Celibacy or

Speaker 6 relationship satisfaction with anything?

Speaker 103 That is wild.

Speaker 71 I don't understand that at all.

Speaker 116 I was blunt.

Speaker 19 Just so that the town all has their opportunity to shoot their shot with you.

Speaker 79 That's it.

Speaker 34 Everybody gets a shot.

Speaker 65 The festival officials choose King Cotton to honor an important person, a a senator, a congressman, a state governor, president of a university, etc.

Speaker 83 There's also a Colonel Cotton.

Speaker 122 Are you telling me there's no age limit for those fellas?

Speaker 6 No, they don't have to be hot at all.

Speaker 129 Weird, right?

Speaker 24 And they can bang whoever they want, too.

Speaker 6 Nice.

Speaker 115 I think.

Speaker 15 Also, Colonel Cotton.

Speaker 66 There's also a tournament, and we're running late on the town stuff, but the Les Tournai Tournaille Tournament, Tor, T-O-U-R-N-O-I.

Speaker 56 Les Tournaille, the tournament, it means.

Speaker 26 An ancient game or sport first followed by the Knights of Ancient France, which is brought to this area by the first settlers who are of French descent.

Speaker 28 The horsemen joust at breakneck speed, endeavoring with their long lances to strike and retain rings set upon posts along a large circular track.

Speaker 28 So you run a big circular track, they have shit with these rings on the side, and you have to spear them.

Speaker 29 You have to get them on your lance at the end.

Speaker 73 So it's like jousting. Wow.

Speaker 23 Yep, they do that.

Speaker 66 Once a year,

Speaker 58 Cajun Knights on horseback race around the quarter mile track and do this.

Speaker 56 There's also the Smoked Meats Festival, which sounds awesome. I'd love to go there for that.

Speaker 19 Is the Cotton Bowl? Is that here? Is that what you said?

Speaker 37 The Cotton Festival.

Speaker 8 Oh. Louisiana Cotton Festival.

Speaker 50 No, no, no, not the Cotton Bowl. Cotton Festival.

Speaker 38 That said, let's talk about the murder.

Speaker 67 Let's get into this.

Speaker 112 This is a weird, weird, weird case.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 40 January 3rd, 2003.

Speaker 56 Let's go to. All right.

Speaker 81 This is at the

Speaker 33 Cocodry, C-O-C-O-D-R-I-E.

Speaker 68 Cocodry, Cocadry, however you want to say it. Cockadree Bayou.

Speaker 61 Okay.

Speaker 56 This is the bayou in a swamp, essentially.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 76 The Cockadou Bayou.

Speaker 38 There's a detective here of the Evangeline Parish Sheriff's Office.

Speaker 80 He's contacted by the Rapidas Parish Sheriff's Office.

Speaker 79 Oh.

Speaker 117 Now, this case starts out with before anything's done, found, known about, anyone's, we know anybody's dead, with two police forces arguing over,

Speaker 21 I don't want to do this. This is your jurisdiction.

Speaker 56 No, it's not.

Speaker 88 It's yours.

Speaker 6 That's how this whole thing is. It's not claiming it.
It's

Speaker 116 trying to pass it off.

Speaker 139 Exactly.

Speaker 71 It's literally the wire where they're like, no, no, those bodies are on the county side.

Speaker 14 No, they're not.

Speaker 119 The tides took them from the city.

Speaker 17 And that's literally what we're talking about.

Speaker 49 Not me.

Speaker 52 I don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 141 Now, this detective explained that the bayou cocoderie, or however the fuck you say it, is the parish line.

Speaker 32 So it's,

Speaker 44 if anything is found in the bayou, it's real murky.

Speaker 23 No, we don't know because that's the line that separates us.

Speaker 129 Oh,

Speaker 19 well, that shit is wide.

Speaker 2 What do you think?

Speaker 6 It depends on what shore it's on.

Speaker 132 Then where do they think it came from to end up on that shore?

Speaker 8 Sure.

Speaker 45 There's a ramp on this side, but on this side, there's no ramp, so it'd be easier to put it.

Speaker 74 So that's literally what they're arguing about.

Speaker 19 That's like saying a six-lane freeway is the line.

Speaker 7 Well, what fucking which lane?

Speaker 65 Northbound is this parish, southbound is that parish.

Speaker 6 That's the

Speaker 45 So this detective explained that the body, they're going to find a body here, and it's off Highway 167 near the side of the bridge which crosses by you, Cockadree, Kokoda, and the water.

Speaker 136 Yes.

Speaker 104 Now, they find a plastic storage box.

Speaker 17 Well, it was actually a kid named Dustin Perkins who was with his friend.

Speaker 21 He found this and called his dad, and his dad came over.

Speaker 56 And then the guy's father contacted 911,

Speaker 88 contacted the Rapidas parish authorities, who then contacted the Evangeline one, saying, no, no, this one's yours.

Speaker 11 So that's what this is.

Speaker 91 It's a plastic storage box they find floating.

Speaker 49 Now,

Speaker 80 the Rapides parish authorities didn't go to the body.

Speaker 40 They went, looked, and said, oh, there's a body right there.

Speaker 124 Yeah, that's not ours.

Speaker 14 And made, they wouldn't go near it.

Speaker 99 They sat there, arms crossed, going, I ain't touching it.

Speaker 8 Not mine. Not my body.

Speaker 52 That's your body.

Speaker 36 Wow.

Speaker 27 According to the detective from Evangeline, at the time the body was found, the water was, quote, out the bayou banks.

Speaker 21 That's his quote.

Speaker 79 It was out the bayou banks.

Speaker 116 Who knows what that means in Louisiana?

Speaker 98 I don't know.

Speaker 114 There's a lot of language in this when they say where I go, I'm not sure what that means.

Speaker 19 It's a yeah, I gotta watch

Speaker 19 Greenmile with the with the captions on because of Delacroix.

Speaker 122 Because I don't know what the Delacroix is.

Speaker 7 Who knows?

Speaker 126 I don't remember the name, but I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Yeah, the little guy that they shocked the shit out of. That guy, I don't know what the fuck he's saying.

Speaker 78 Nope.

Speaker 66 They said it was floating toward the Evangeline Parish side.

Speaker 83 This is the Evangeline people going, no, no, no, no, it was out there floating over here.

Speaker 89 So that means it started on your side because there's a ramp over there that would be much easier launching site.

Speaker 19 Well, if it's floating, it had to get in here somewhere.

Speaker 114 That's on ours.

Speaker 62 And they go, well, there's a dirt road on your side.

Speaker 29 They could have easily taken it from the dirt road.

Speaker 76 So it's absolutely ridiculous, is what's going on here.

Speaker 19 Investigate, fellas, and figure out what.

Speaker 127 Yeah.

Speaker 38 They said if the bayou had been within its banks,

Speaker 49 the body would have been on dry land in Evangeline Parish.

Speaker 74 So the bayou, I guess, had swelled a bit.

Speaker 102 Yeah.

Speaker 113 So they're saying that's what it.

Speaker 137 Anyway, Evangeline ends up having to be the people to deal with it.

Speaker 107 So they find this box, and it's a big plastic storage container like you would use to move one of those big plastic totes.

Speaker 140 You'd put all your storage.

Speaker 19 You could put the lid on the top and the tapes on the left.

Speaker 36 There you go.

Speaker 32 Now they said the lid of the box containing what they ends up being a body had been taped closed, duct duct taped closed all around it then the whole thing was painted black wow so i guess so it blends in now the kid who found the box said that the duct tape on the box was half off and that his uncle who he called may have pulled it a little bit before opening the lid of the box but it wasn't it wasn't tight it was you could just open it basically he said that the quote the tape was not stuck good is what he said yeah and his uncle did not struggle to get the tape off.

Speaker 61 However, he said he didn't know if his uncle cut the tape or not.

Speaker 103 Now, they pop it open and there's a man in there.

Speaker 45 It's pretty, pretty

Speaker 8 rough, too.

Speaker 40 He's seen better days.

Speaker 44 The body has been mutilated and the legs are completely cut off.

Speaker 112 And they're not in the box either.

Speaker 79 They don't know where

Speaker 89 just no legs. He has no legs.

Speaker 77 Legs sawed off

Speaker 91 at the femur's with nothing.

Speaker 88 to show for it.

Speaker 49 So they looked around.

Speaker 68 Legs around here? Anybody see any legs?

Speaker 41 Nobody saw any legs.

Speaker 15 But he's wearing a t-shirt that says Catfish Festival, Washington, Louisiana.

Speaker 37 That's a t-shirt the dead man is wearing.

Speaker 19 Does it have a year on it?

Speaker 3 No year.

Speaker 36 There you go.

Speaker 24 Catfish Festival, Washington, Louisiana.

Speaker 113 It's evergreen, those t-shirts.

Speaker 127 They don't want to put a year on it.

Speaker 8 Now,

Speaker 61 the detective said that at this point, they just have this

Speaker 26 unknown man with no legs and a catfish t-shirt, Catfish Festival t-shirt in a box.

Speaker 59 They have no clues.

Speaker 102 They have no anything. Yeah.

Speaker 39 What the hell do we do with this guy?

Speaker 28 We do know he's got tattoos and he looks like a biker.

Speaker 97 That's helpful.

Speaker 40 He's got a bikery look to him.

Speaker 88 So that they're like, okay, that's helpful.

Speaker 26 You know, they can possibly ask around to biker people in the area and see if maybe you know this guy.

Speaker 142 Now,

Speaker 52 they don't know who he is, though.

Speaker 18 Now, the cops said he received several anonymous phone calls after this body was found.

Speaker 11 Oh.

Speaker 140 The first he received was on the day after the body was was discovered.

Speaker 81 He said the caller asked if he had found his brother.

Speaker 17 Someone said, hey, did you find my brother?

Speaker 76 And the caller gave a description of the man.

Speaker 38 Now, at the time, the press had not published any information about the body.

Speaker 73 So this would be, that's good.

Speaker 56 So this would be information nobody knows.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 51 So based on that, they end up identifying the body.

Speaker 129 Really?

Speaker 144 They do.

Speaker 102 It is a man named Lawrence William Cook.

Speaker 13 Call him Larry.

Speaker 27 Well, we call him, he's got, this is amazing.

Speaker 18 There's a few different Larry's in the story.

Speaker 27 Okay, now he's about 44 years old at this time.

Speaker 23 He goes by, he goes by Larry, but everyone, because he's in a little biker group here.

Speaker 8 Larry Larry.

Speaker 8 No, everyone calls him, everyone calls him Larry Larry.

Speaker 7 Double Larry.

Speaker 79 He's Larry Larry.

Speaker 44 Now, there's another Larry in the story who's also in the group.

Speaker 136 who's a different Larry, but this is Larry Larry.

Speaker 52 So there's Larry Larry. There's Bob Larry.

Speaker 70 There's this Larry.

Speaker 22 He's real, real Larry-like, though.

Speaker 32 He's Larry Larry.

Speaker 71 You know what I mean?

Speaker 40 Now, he's a member of the Banshees Motorcycle Club in the annual.

Speaker 38 He's out of the North Texas chapter, actually.

Speaker 50 Okay.

Speaker 56 Because he's from Denison, Texas, apparently.

Speaker 56 Now, it's unknown exactly what his involvement is, if he's like a, you know, what his rank is or anything like that.

Speaker 79 Is he a secretary?

Speaker 23 We do know he's in the group.

Speaker 40 Now, he lived in Texas.

Speaker 11 He's from Texas.

Speaker 60 How the fuck did he end up in a bayou in Dead Center, Louisiana?

Speaker 110 That's great question.

Speaker 54 That's the question.

Speaker 51 So he is known as Larry Larry in the area and in both areas.

Speaker 49 He has a lengthy criminal record, Larry Larry.

Speaker 79 Sure, does lengthy.

Speaker 64 At least 18 arrests that they could find immediately.

Speaker 7 At least. Wow.

Speaker 60 He also has four outstanding warrants against him.

Speaker 19 We could rock it right on up to 22.

Speaker 8 Found him.

Speaker 131 I mean, that's here we go.

Speaker 19 Some cops.

Speaker 14 You can go ahead and throw those warrants out. I think it's.

Speaker 23 I don't don't think we're going to bring him in on those.

Speaker 19 I don't think he's going to run.

Speaker 24 Including, this is amazing.

Speaker 99 This is from Grayson County, Texas, the four outstanding warrants, including one for this is the greatest crime of all time, stealing a policeman's motorcycle.

Speaker 7 Fucking

Speaker 6 awesome.

Speaker 127 That is so awesome.

Speaker 23 That is like.

Speaker 19 This piece of shit doesn't even have to take off.

Speaker 8 Hey, come back here.

Speaker 68 Take it off.

Speaker 19 Fuck you. I'm going to go put some fucking Samsons on this goddamn thing.

Speaker 14 I'm going to the Catfish Festival.

Speaker 20 Suck my dick.

Speaker 8 Fucking taking off.

Speaker 132 I love it.

Speaker 44 That is amazing.

Speaker 63 He stole a sheriff's fucking motorcycle.

Speaker 52 Awesome.

Speaker 76 Like his work motorcycle, not even a privately held one.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 131 the one that says police all are phrased.

Speaker 100 Smart motorcycle.

Speaker 77 Nutcase.

Speaker 114 It's got lights and everything.

Speaker 58 Oh, he has an extensive criminal record dating back to 1986, including convictions for unlawful carrying of weapons, manufacturing, delivering, selling, and possession of controlled dangerous substances.

Speaker 50 He's a meth cook, by the way.

Speaker 93 He's a meth cook, a known meth cook.

Speaker 34 He just pops up at people's houses.

Speaker 68 He's like, I'm a

Speaker 68 cook me up a quick batch, all right? And they're like, no, you can't cook meth here.

Speaker 139 He's crazy.

Speaker 18 He's fucking crazy.

Speaker 35 Possession of marijuana, possession of methamphetamine and other amphetamines, pending charges at this time that he died for theft of $20,000 to $50,000 as well.

Speaker 6 He's stole from somebody.

Speaker 124 Unlawful use of a firearm and manufacturing and delivering of a controlled substance.

Speaker 56 substance, and of course, stealing a policeman's motorcycle.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that one's a good one.

Speaker 67 According to the local authorities that knew him, they said, quote, the law was always after Cook.

Speaker 6 Sounds like always after Larry Larry.

Speaker 19 How about that? He's a meth cook and his last name is Cook.

Speaker 122 His last name is Cook.

Speaker 8 Fuck out of here. Larry Larry the meth cook.

Speaker 8 Man,

Speaker 125 they said he had a reputation, a bad reputation in the area.

Speaker 47 A lot of people didn't like him.

Speaker 121 This is the local authorities.

Speaker 18 Yep.

Speaker 66 He was an amphetamine cook. He'd been chased by police.

Speaker 27 He stole a motorcycle.

Speaker 52 He's really the menace of Grayson County, basically, this fucking guy.

Speaker 8 They're like, he's not coming back.

Speaker 129 Great.

Speaker 115 Perfect.

Speaker 19 Larry's do have

Speaker 19 a reputation for being a

Speaker 7 wild car.

Speaker 8 It's weird because

Speaker 19 Rickies are one thing, but Larry. Larry's are a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 37 Lawrence is such a buttoned-up name, which is weird.

Speaker 18 It's a real,

Speaker 116 and then you get it, break it down to Larry, and now it's a mess.

Speaker 19 They ditch that white shirt with the collar and run it with Larry, and their hair falls out out and watch the fuck out.

Speaker 49 You name a kid Larry, you really got to watch out. If he starts saying, no, call me, you name him Lawrence.

Speaker 27 He says, call me Larry, you got to go, oh, shit.

Speaker 40 Uh-oh.

Speaker 76 Do we get him in counseling now or do we wait till for his first arrest?

Speaker 122 Let's get him some hair plugs early.

Speaker 79 No, shit.

Speaker 27 And people heard from Texas that Cook was on the run, but they didn't know why.

Speaker 102 I heard he was on the run, people said.

Speaker 147 Now, they say they don't really have any suspects, but they're talking to people who knew Cook.

Speaker 119 He was never reported missing.

Speaker 109 Oh.

Speaker 63 And it appears that he was last seen about three or four weeks before the body was found.

Speaker 109 Wow.

Speaker 86 Now, they estimate that his body was in the box at least three weeks, and they think the box may have been thrown off the bridge.

Speaker 56 That's why they're saying it's in Evangeline, not the other county, because the boat ramp is in the other county, but the bridge is in that county.

Speaker 19 Imagine being missing for four weeks. There is no fucking way nobody would be concerned in my life.

Speaker 79 I got way too many people.

Speaker 86 But you're not a meth cook biker who steals motorcycles from police.

Speaker 146 You just assume he's on the run somewhere.

Speaker 79 No,

Speaker 19 that's kind of my point.

Speaker 19 He disappears for four weeks, and I'm like, Godspeed, Larry.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 21 He lives on the margins and in the margins, not even on in.

Speaker 17 So the fingerprints were used to identify him.

Speaker 56 Once someone brought up this maybe my brother, they tested, they ran that to see if it was him and it actually was him.

Speaker 104 Found wearing the Washington Catfish Festival t-shirt and a leather jacket.

Speaker 37 Now, the question they have is, he has a live-in girlfriend that he has never seen without.

Speaker 94 So they're like, where the fuck is she?

Speaker 47 Sheila Kirby is her name, and they're looking for her.

Speaker 29 They say that she's not a suspect in the death at this point, but they'd sure love to have a chit-chat with her at this point because she's always around.

Speaker 29 And why didn't she report him missing if they're together all the time?

Speaker 51 Maybe she's missing too.

Speaker 16 There's a lot of concerns here.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah.

Speaker 68 So January 10th, 2003, a week later

Speaker 39 after his body is found, the water has receded now now because there was a storm.

Speaker 21 That was a problem.

Speaker 58 So the officers returned to the area in an attempt to find his legs.

Speaker 59 Where's Larry Larry's legs, legs?

Speaker 52 We need to find them.

Speaker 79 Both, yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Where are they? So he.

Speaker 19 Larry Larry's missing double legs.

Speaker 37 That's it. So they're out there.

Speaker 83 Double Larry, double leg.

Speaker 68 Two Larry's, two legs.

Speaker 59 So the Sheriff's Department and the Wildlife and Fisheries launch boats.

Speaker 51 And then in approximately 40 minutes into the search, they find another identical box.

Speaker 91 Another painted black duct-taped box.

Speaker 53 You know what it is.

Speaker 113 So they're like, shit, we might got some Larry legs in here, possibly.

Speaker 11 They crack the box open,

Speaker 8 and it's Sheila Kirby.

Speaker 7 It's the girlfriend.

Speaker 119 No, she has her legs cut off the same exact way Larry did, except her legs are in the box with her.

Speaker 8 In the box.

Speaker 66 In the box. They fit.

Speaker 129 She's small.

Speaker 127 She's to keep them. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Now, Sheila is anywhere from 27 to 34 based on numerous news reports.

Speaker 7 Awesome.

Speaker 28 Literally the same newspapers, the same day.

Speaker 29 One said 27, one said 34, one said 31, once at 24.

Speaker 52 I'm like, how old is this?

Speaker 19 We've got a seven-year gap and nobody can figure it out.

Speaker 8 That's crazy.

Speaker 27 That's why you don't go out with guys who cook meth and steal motorcycles from policemen.

Speaker 102 No one knows how old you are at a certain point.

Speaker 19 I feel like this has been a problem that's been brewing for a while.

Speaker 127 A while, yeah.

Speaker 79 A long time.

Speaker 94 So the box containing her body was almost identical to the one containing Larry Larry's body.

Speaker 80 And it also appeared that the box containing Sheila Kirby's body had been duct taped and painted the same way.

Speaker 15 Also, holes had been cut in both boxes to make it

Speaker 91 sink.

Speaker 70 Otherwise, they'd float forever.

Speaker 79 Fucking forever.

Speaker 116 All the way to the ocean. Floating down the Mississippi

Speaker 23 right down to the Delta.

Speaker 27 So they wonder, is it definitely Sheila?

Speaker 40 I mean, it would make sense if it's Sheila.

Speaker 117 Sure.

Speaker 56 Then they finally located Sheila's family members who identified her positively.

Speaker 104 They said they expected her home for Christmas, but she never showed up.

Speaker 146 But they didn't invite, they didn't report her missing because she's with Larry Larry, although she could be anywhere.

Speaker 19 She could be gone, gone.

Speaker 127 Yeah, gone, gone, out, out, as your stupid opinions thing.

Speaker 18 She's out out, man.

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Speaker 112 So they said also that she normally wore her long blonde hair and a ponytail, and that's what the body was found with, long blonde hair and a ponytail.

Speaker 56 So they're like, shit, okay, that's not good.

Speaker 61 Now, the boxes, okay, the boxes are, like we said, taped first, then painted.

Speaker 19 Then painted. So the tape is painted too.

Speaker 56 Yeah, which they say the boxes were white at one point, which, you know, dump a body in a white box in a goddamn bayou.

Speaker 50 I know that's going to stick out.

Speaker 19 That kid's, yeah, that gets eyes.

Speaker 80 And the paint that was used is spray paint to paint them, which would be the best thing to do for that.

Speaker 101 They did say also they found an impression of a fingerprint in the paint.

Speaker 121 That could be helpful.

Speaker 84 Yeah.

Speaker 33 So, yeah, they said they submitted it all to the lab, and they said that

Speaker 27 examining the items, they determined there were 11 potentially identifiable fingerprints on the lid of the box

Speaker 108 that contained Larry Larry's body.

Speaker 19 Somebody's touching this thing a lot.

Speaker 109 A lot.

Speaker 37 Prints were found in the paint of the lid. They also found two latent fingerprints on portions of the duct tape where they'd been stuck together.

Speaker 53 So in between layers of duct tape they found fingerprints

Speaker 76 preserved perfectly in the duct tape.

Speaker 140 While they couldn't determine when the fingerprints were left on the tape, they said that the boxes were taped, then painted, and the prints left in the wet paint.

Speaker 17 That's what they determined.

Speaker 96 Autopsies of both of these, of Larry Larry and Sheila.

Speaker 74 They said that they were killed by gunshot wounds.

Speaker 48 Larry Larry was killed with a gunshot wound behind the ear, from behind.

Speaker 17 Sure, Larry Larry's a dangerous character.

Speaker 111 You don't approach him from the front.

Speaker 63 Sheila shot right in the forehead.

Speaker 70 Wow.

Speaker 91 Right in the forehead.

Speaker 96 Both bullets exited the bodies and were never found.

Speaker 26 So they said that the legs had been amputated just below the pelvic area in both victims.

Speaker 72 Jesus.

Speaker 103 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 18 So high up.

Speaker 57 Oh, that's brutal, man.

Speaker 49 They said they were amputated post-mortem and there were saw marks on the ends of the leg bones.

Speaker 56 So that's bad.

Speaker 49 Then they get an anonymous tip

Speaker 85 from a caller saying there's a location of a chainsaw that might be involved in this.

Speaker 107 What? There's a chainsaw out there.

Speaker 90 Maybe the chainsaw was used to cut these bodies up.

Speaker 32 It was down a gravel road about a mile and a half past the residence of a place

Speaker 56 that Sheila and Larry Larry were staying for a while with friends, another motorcycle member's house, about a mile and a half down there.

Speaker 64 While they were looking for the chainsaw, they found a dog, a dead dog

Speaker 17 that they believe belonged to Larry, Larry, and Sheila.

Speaker 55 Oh.

Speaker 34 This dog has been shot.

Speaker 14 Uh-huh.

Speaker 113 Shot in the head and was badly decomposed.

Speaker 73 So it's been there for over a month, too.

Speaker 8 So they think it's terrible.

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 56 Well, we just talked about two legless people in boxes. So, you know, let's get some context here.

Speaker 16 How big of a dog is this?

Speaker 19 Is it a little dog?

Speaker 8 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 112 Decent-sized dog.

Speaker 68 It sucks that the dog's dead. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 109 I don't want to fucking do it.

Speaker 56 I like dogs better than meth cooking bikers, bikers, but still.

Speaker 79 So

Speaker 21 the evidence leads to people who may have some info here.

Speaker 26 Leads to a woman named Cynthia Anderson,

Speaker 33 who she says

Speaker 43 a man.

Speaker 27 claiming to be her ex-husband had called to report that he had seen her with some motorcycle people.

Speaker 11 Said to my ex-wife, Cynthia, I saw her with some motorcycle people at the Catfish Festival

Speaker 38 in December of 2002,

Speaker 112 which is a month ago.

Speaker 15 Just a little bit ago, yeah.

Speaker 29 Yeah, just a month ago.

Speaker 26 So they said, okay, that's interesting, because our guy was wearing a catfish festival shirt.

Speaker 50 So that all tracks.

Speaker 72 Also, this woman, Cynthia, the man she is currently married to, is also in the Banshee's Motorcycle Club.

Speaker 120 So this is all kind of lining up now.

Speaker 33 They said that apparently

Speaker 82 the last known address of the people, if the dead people here, was in Latwell, Louisiana, which is the clubhouse of the Banshee Motorcycle Club.

Speaker 81 Really?

Speaker 89 The clubhouse is a really run-down shithole trailer, by the way.

Speaker 79 They always are. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 127 It's not a frat house. No, no, no.

Speaker 116 It's not, you know, it's not an animal house.

Speaker 23 It's a trailer that you can smoke meth in the living room and no one minds.

Speaker 111 Yeah.

Speaker 19 There's no chandelier.

Speaker 8 No, no, no.

Speaker 19 The wall is not adorned with

Speaker 19 anything other than old motorcycle parts.

Speaker 62 You mean they don't have like illustrious alumni on the wall?

Speaker 87 Like, oh, he's now a judge on the circuit court.

Speaker 70 And this one's.

Speaker 19 No, they've got exhaust pipes welded together in the shape of the logo Harley Davidson.

Speaker 79 Strange, real strange.

Speaker 139 Now, before that, this couple lived in the Morrow area.

Speaker 143 Both Latwell and Morrow are in St.

Speaker 103 Landry Parish.

Speaker 106 So the detective said, to his knowledge, the victims had not lived or worked in Evangeline Parish and didn't have any relatives there.

Speaker 67 He's still trying to get rid of the case at this point.

Speaker 79 He really is.

Speaker 122 He's like,

Speaker 127 he's in mine, right?

Speaker 99 It can't be, you know?

Speaker 130 So they said that they, that's so funny, man.

Speaker 17 So they checked a house in one area looking for an individual somebody said might have some information, but they didn't find that person.

Speaker 84 Now,

Speaker 107 Cynthia, the person they talked to who was seen with bikers at a catfish festival, that is Cynthia Renee Anderson.

Speaker 43 She is 41, and her husband is another Larry, a friend of Larry Larry.

Speaker 107 This is Larry Surratt, S-R-U-R-A-T-T.

Speaker 77 Surrat.

Speaker 56 I've also seen it with an E on the end, but that's not how the court documents have it, so we'll keep it at this.

Speaker 25 Surat.

Speaker 26 He's about the same age as her.

Speaker 66 Now, he is known as Lost Larry.

Speaker 127 That's his name.

Speaker 110 He's Lost Larry.

Speaker 70 So Lost Larry hangs out with Larry Larry.

Speaker 69 The best part is his wife, Cynthia,

Speaker 72 is known as, quote, lost bitch.

Speaker 116 That's her name.

Speaker 14 Not lost bitch, lost bitch.

Speaker 62 So we got lost Larry and Lost Bitch.

Speaker 136 That's a couple.

Speaker 79 I see.

Speaker 116 This is crazy.

Speaker 7 You lost bitch?

Speaker 113 Now you're going to be calling any man lost, lost Larry.

Speaker 116 You lost Larry.

Speaker 42 Where are you going, bro?

Speaker 34 Get somewhere to be. Because I got to be somewhere.

Speaker 36 Now, they're all...

Speaker 56 Like I said, they're in the Banshee Motorcycle Organization.

Speaker 106 The women, Sheila and Lost Bitch,

Speaker 67 I have to use nicknames so it's not confusing.

Speaker 57 Are not members of the organization because the Banshees do not allow female members no matter what they do.

Speaker 31 It's just in their bylaws.

Speaker 49 So now Surat has a criminal record as well, Lost Larry.

Speaker 56 He said it's not a lengthy record when they checked it, but he's got some arrests and some shit.

Speaker 17 But they said, you know, Sheila has no criminal record, or not Sheila, Cynthia, outside of a marijuana arrest in 1980.

Speaker 80 So when she was eight, 19, she got fucking busted.

Speaker 2 25 years ago.

Speaker 81 Who cares?

Speaker 72 Yeah.

Speaker 26 So like we said, the dog that was found is within a mile of

Speaker 79 Larry and Lost Blacks.

Speaker 32 Of the Losts. Of the Lost's house.

Speaker 33 Okay.

Speaker 82 And by the way, people were told that Larry, Larry, and Sheila never went anywhere without the dog.

Speaker 88 That was like their kid.

Speaker 30 Yeah. Always with them.

Speaker 104 So the cops talk to the lost couple.

Speaker 56 Let's talk to Lost Larry and Lost Bitch here.

Speaker 80 They meet with them.

Speaker 7 Now,

Speaker 51 Lost Bitch identifies Larry Larry's photograph and explains that she and Lost Larry had lived with Larry Larry and Sheila Kirby at their home in St.

Speaker 58 Landry Parish.

Speaker 33 She said Larry, Larry, and Sheila moved out at the end of October 2002 and had moved into the Banshee Motorcycle Clubhouse in Latwell, which is this shit trailer that's owned by Lost Bitch.

Speaker 79 Okay. That's the greatest story.

Speaker 6 This is insane.

Speaker 10 So the detective said when he told Lost Bitch that Larry Larry was dead, she got appeared upset and to cry when she found out, but he said she didn't have any tears or snot or anything like that.

Speaker 68 She was just going to

Speaker 30 cover her eyes, but there was nothing coming out.

Speaker 27 Now, yeah, they find out that not only had Larry Larry, or yeah, Larry, Larry, and Sheila lived with Lost Larry and Lost Bitch once, they lived with them twice, actually, two different times.

Speaker 27 I guess in August 2000 or 2001, they had stayed for a month or two.

Speaker 17 And then in May of 2002, they lived with them for a few months until late summer or October.

Speaker 37 They said they were concerned because I guess

Speaker 90 they left because I guess

Speaker 90 Lost Larry was concerned about Lost Bitch's safety.

Speaker 80 here and also that Larry Larry and Sheila Kirby were living on a riverbank in Texas in a tent and needed a place to stay.

Speaker 7 So they all moved in together. God.

Speaker 62 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 56 He has to steal a motorcycle and go somewhere else.

Speaker 72 Once they moved in, Larry, Larry, and Sheila were supposed to find work and help out with bills and food.

Speaker 15 But they said that they made them find another place to live after October when Hurricane Lily hit, but prior to Halloween because they weren't helping out around the house.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 106 That's when they moved into, meaning Larry, Larry, and Sheila moved into the trailer owned by Lost Bitch in Latwell, Louisiana.

Speaker 51 Now, they end up finding a chainsaw.

Speaker 11 Chainsaw is tested by the crime lab.

Speaker 123 There's no evidence it was used in a murder.

Speaker 139 Okay.

Speaker 72 But it was obviously, as we'll talk about it, Lost Larry thought there would be some form of human viscer on it, as we'll talk about here.

Speaker 19 Lost Larry thought that?

Speaker 26 Yeah, because he's making some excuses.

Speaker 15 They said he said that, oh, well, yeah, if there's anything on there, while while I was clearing shit after the hurricane, I fell off the roof and fell onto the chainsaw and cut my arm.

Speaker 148 And I'm still alive.

Speaker 86 I'm still here.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, he said

Speaker 17 he was trying to clean some debris, and

Speaker 67 he said he fell off the roof on November 2nd and did that.

Speaker 113 Now, the next time he's talked to, he said it happened in early December.

Speaker 102 So he's a month off.

Speaker 27 And Lost Bitch and Lost Larry have different timelines of that, too.

Speaker 94 He suffered an injury to his arm, and there was a lot of testimony regarding the date and cause of the injury, because he did have an injury.

Speaker 89 We know that.

Speaker 49 So, but still, now he said that he injured his arm falling off the roof, and they said, yeah, that probably happened between November 11th and 13th.

Speaker 142 Now,

Speaker 110 Lost Bitch said that Lost Larry did not seek medical attention at the time, as he, quote, does not go to doctors.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 8 Of course not.

Speaker 127 Of course he doesn't.

Speaker 36 Come on.

Speaker 17 So then Lost Larry claimed that he did go to a doctor after somebody convinced him to do so because his arm was severely infected and he was pale and there was pus leaking out everywhere.

Speaker 19 Okay, he's about to go septic.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 11 So after Christmas,

Speaker 17 there's all sorts of shit coming out of his arm.

Speaker 113 So that's when he went.

Speaker 56 And so it's been a month and a half, according to him, that he's had this arm injury.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 26 And he finally goes there and

Speaker 11 he was treated.

Speaker 51 But the problem is

Speaker 33 the he says he did it in

Speaker 38 it's crazy he says he did it in November 2002

Speaker 45 but uh I guess the doc the report the doctor's report says it happened at a different time so he told a doctor a different thing

Speaker 26 x-rays were taken indicating that he suffered a commune a

Speaker 19 communuted fracture I don't know what that medical what that means fracture through the ulna with a gap in between so that's your forearm is your ulna a gap in, yeah, that, I guess you'd get that with a chainsaw.

Speaker 68 Yep.

Speaker 64 Also, they said a fragment of metal that appeared to be part of a chainsaw tooth was still in his arm.

Speaker 133 He caught it.

Speaker 19 He caught it in the arm.

Speaker 29 And he fucking wasn't going to do anything about it with a piece of metal sitting in there.

Speaker 19 And a section of bone gone.

Speaker 114 Yep.

Speaker 139 So they do all, they hear all this stuff, and then they're,

Speaker 38 they decide, let's talk to Larry again.

Speaker 52 We got to find Lost Larry.

Speaker 37 So Lost Larry gets pulled over in Bastrop, Texas.

Speaker 139 This is what's called a routine traffic stop.

Speaker 57 Now, we don't know if they were doing this on purpose or not,

Speaker 39 but Cynthia Anderson, Lost Bitch, is driving.

Speaker 26 Now, when they get him out of the car here,

Speaker 49 number one,

Speaker 49 they fingerprint him and do all of that stuff.

Speaker 67 And they find that...

Speaker 17 They find from that also that photographs and negatives of the prints they found in the storage box, they enter everything into the system, and prints on the box match Lost Larry.

Speaker 49 And one matches Lost Bitch, too.

Speaker 13 Uh-oh.

Speaker 39 Yeah, they had three prints matched to Lost Larry on these boxes, which is

Speaker 91 interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 47 Two of the prints on the lid were identified as Lost Larry's left index finger, and another one was identified as his left ring finger.

Speaker 141 And two prints were determined to be that of Lost Bitch's left middle finger.

Speaker 79 Oh, boy.

Speaker 56 That is not good.

Speaker 26 So yeah, they examined at this point, they examined the storage boxes that contained the bodies and they examined Lost Larry's truck.

Speaker 17 Upon removing the bed liner from the truck, they noticed a two-foot area near the hitch which had been painted blue and that that blue paint had transferred onto the liner.

Speaker 29 They also found black paint drops in the area of the truck bed that had not been repainted.

Speaker 141 There were four major regions of paint drops in the back of the truck.

Speaker 57 They said that if the areas were connected, they formed a rectangle measuring approximately 42 inches long by 22 inches wide, the same measurements as the widest part of the boxes.

Speaker 7 Get it?

Speaker 8 Get what we're doing here?

Speaker 38 He's an outline of the boxes from which the bodies were found.

Speaker 104 He said he compared the paint from the top of the storage boxes to the paint found in the truck.

Speaker 80 The two samples were, quote, indistinguishable from each other.

Speaker 108 There's no major differences between the paint from the back of the pickup truck and the paint from the lids.

Speaker 56 Therefore, they could have been of common origin.

Speaker 48 But they said there's no way to make a 1,000% identification from a can of paint to an item to the exclusion of all other cans of paint because paint is made in huge batches.

Speaker 19 You could say that it's got the same spectrum and chemical makeup as that, but you can't say it came out of that can.

Speaker 15 No, it was a shelf, off-the-shelf paint.

Speaker 73 It wasn't a can you mix this, this, and that, and make it look like this fleck.

Speaker 56 Yeah, it's just whatever they had.

Speaker 55 They also found black paint on the chrome bed rail protector.

Speaker 104 Tests of the paint on the protector revealed it was also the same classification and similarities to the paints from the bed and the two boxes, two rubber-made boxes.

Speaker 21 So they said they opined that the paint would have been from the same lot number, not and not from a different brand of paint.

Speaker 68 So they've narrowed it to that.

Speaker 40 Now, Lost Larry said his fingerprints may have gotten on one of the boxes that the bodies were found in when they were in his garage.

Speaker 102 Oh.

Speaker 45 They said, why were they in your garage and why were they painted?

Speaker 28 And he said, Larry Larry stole all sorts of shit and he would paint all of it to disguise it.

Speaker 15 He'd steal something and he'd bring it home and paint it.

Speaker 8 So now it's Larry Larry's.

Speaker 13 It's not that. Yeah.

Speaker 86 Yeah.

Speaker 33 He said, um,

Speaker 38 they said, okay, that's interesting.

Speaker 75 They said, by the way, did you ever shoot a dog near your home?

Speaker 95 Did that ever happen?

Speaker 125 You ever shoot a dog near your home?

Speaker 68 Now, if I ask you, Jimmy, have you ever shot a dog near your home?

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 93 No.

Speaker 63 His answer was, quote, shot several dogs near my home.

Speaker 7 Oh, yes, sir.

Speaker 35 Why are you shooting so many dogs near your house?

Speaker 13 Oh, my God. That's interesting.

Speaker 19 We can't take it to the vet and it's sick.

Speaker 100 It's got the shits.

Speaker 129 What the fuck?

Speaker 12 Can't stop bringing that in the truck.

Speaker 84 Wow.

Speaker 63 So that is real fucking interesting.

Speaker 128 So

Speaker 12 a little more on this.

Speaker 61 They said,

Speaker 18 why would Larry Larry paint everything?

Speaker 112 Why did he do that?

Speaker 104 And he said, well, he thought that painting the lid of a stolen plastic container would keep him from getting caught.

Speaker 26 And they said, why?

Speaker 30 And he said, that was just Larry Larry's way of thinking.

Speaker 68 Larry thinks that way.

Speaker 38 And they said, were you concerned when Larry Larry was missing for over a month?

Speaker 39 And he said, I mean, I was concerned, but it wasn't uncommon for Larry Larry to just take off for a month without telling anybody.

Speaker 59 So I wasn't that concerned.

Speaker 29 They said, what other crazy things did Larry do, Larry Larry?

Speaker 39 Lost Larry said, well, as couples, we were best friends,

Speaker 107 but he did a lot of crazy shit.

Speaker 33 He would steal stuff.

Speaker 64 He would shoot guns from the hood of a moving car.

Speaker 19 He's sitting on top of the car?

Speaker 20 He would jump out of the car

Speaker 24 and get on the hood and be like, drive.

Speaker 27 And then he'd be bucking shots off the hood of a moving car, which is insane shit.

Speaker 88 Absolutely insane.

Speaker 34 They said, well, when was the last time you saw the dead couple?

Speaker 107 Now, Lost Bitch said she saw Sheila on December 4th at Willie's Campground, which is a bar in Washington, Louisiana.

Speaker 18 And she last saw Larry Larry at the same bar the next day, December 5th.

Speaker 36 Okay.

Speaker 149 Now, she had earlier told the detective that that she last saw Sheila at Thanksgiving.

Speaker 56 Now she's got a different story.

Speaker 52 A month before.

Speaker 73 A month before.

Speaker 110 They also talked about

Speaker 45 the day that she found out Cook was dead, Lost Bitch said she returned home from work and found the garage light on, the door cracked open, and every light in the house on.

Speaker 141 She noticed that two of her doors, two of the closet doors in her bedroom had been pulled off the hinges, and she said that the nine millimeter gun owned by

Speaker 66 Lost Larry would have been in the house when the break-in occurred.

Speaker 56 So it must have gotten stolen. So that's why we can't give it to you to test, to make sure that's not the 9mm that killed these two.

Speaker 72 So, yeah. Now, someone else saw the dead couple as well.

Speaker 82 He said that he picked up Larry Larry and Sheila on December 10th or 11th for a barbecue.

Speaker 38 And they said, are you sure about that date?

Speaker 56 And he said, not at all, but I am sure that we went to a barbecue.

Speaker 7 Maybe, yeah.

Speaker 124 These are very unreliable people, all these people.

Speaker 100 Shit.

Speaker 49 So the cops are following around the losts here, lost bitch and lost Larry. They follow them around.

Speaker 21 They try to learn their movements.

Speaker 33 They say that,

Speaker 56 you know, they talk about them all the time. There's another biker here who is called as a witness here later on.

Speaker 47 He is a member of the Banshees as well, and he knew Larry Larry for about 24 to 25 years.

Speaker 19 Oh, he should have a good idea of what he is.

Speaker 33 He knows a lot.

Speaker 38 He said that before his death, Larry Larry had gone to work as a disc jockey at Willie's Campground in Washington.

Speaker 56 That's that bar.

Speaker 59 They've never seen it.

Speaker 144 They got DJs.

Speaker 26 According to this guy, most of his time was spent in St.

Speaker 103 Landry's parish.

Speaker 105 He said the dog was like their child, and the dog was very dedicated to Larry Larry, and vice versa.

Speaker 29 And he couldn't imagine them being separated from the dog unless something terrible happened.

Speaker 97 Then they go to the clubhouse, quote unquote, the trailer.

Speaker 11 They said that the detective describes the trailer as, quote,

Speaker 45 not in very good condition.

Speaker 8 Shocking.

Speaker 19 Yeah, if a trooper says that, he's done seen a lot of these.

Speaker 130 He's seen a bunch.

Speaker 97 He said that there were very few personal items of the couples there.

Speaker 69 He said that the authorities found a worn-weather DEA notebook filled with pictures of DEA now, drug enforcement agency.

Speaker 27 Notebook filled with pictures of people with their names, criminal histories, occupations, and addresses.

Speaker 26 He said that the cover stated that this was a DEA-sensitive material.

Speaker 77 So why do they have that here?

Speaker 26 They said they found

Speaker 38 the books were located in the kitchen over the cabinets in a two-door cabinet up there.

Speaker 11 They, quote, two-door cabinet up there, and they were on the top shelf.

Speaker 38 He said that it appeared the books had been there for quite some time.

Speaker 17 They had water damage to them from rain leaking.

Speaker 34 He said they were, quote, very shabby, very old.

Speaker 17 They looked like they had, possibly the roof had leaked, and they were wet, And some of the pages, maybe as much as a third of them, were gone.

Speaker 91 I would assume maybe roaches or something eating them on there.

Speaker 144 They were in bad shape.

Speaker 26 So the books get sent back to the DEA.

Speaker 142 Now,

Speaker 45 Lost Bitch said she had never seen the DEA books and that the books were not in the trailer when Lost Larry, or when Larry Larry, and Sheila moved in.

Speaker 110 And she said that only she and Lost Larry and the victims had keys to the trailer.

Speaker 139 Okay, so those books there.

Speaker 61 Now, they also said she believed that there was a possibility that Cook would disappear for days and come back with money

Speaker 56 and different vehicles.

Speaker 31 Larry Larry would come back.

Speaker 18 Lost Larry said, yeah, Larry Larry would leave home and come back with stuff.

Speaker 147 He'd just come back with a bunch of stuff that he would steal.

Speaker 19 He'd go boosting.

Speaker 8 Yep.

Speaker 11 They also spoke.

Speaker 104 She said she spoke to a,

Speaker 82 said that a cop spoke to her on another occasion and informed her that he knew for a fact fact that Larry, Larry, and Sheila Kirby had put nine or ten banditos, another motorcycle gang,

Speaker 92 in the pen for having meth labs.

Speaker 111 So a cop had told her that Larry Larry was an informant, and so was Sheila.

Speaker 27 So they are going to go ahead and arrest Larry Larry.

Speaker 32 Or I'm sorry, Lost Larry and Lost Bitch.

Speaker 110 When they place him under arrest, the cop said that Lost Larry stared at him.

Speaker 48 He said, then Lost Larry took a deep breath and put his head down and said, I guess I need a lawyer.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 37 When arrested, he's carrying a gun. Oh.

Speaker 49 He is carrying a nine millimeter, a Browning nine millimeter, that they do ballistic tests on and find out that that is the gun that killed the dog.

Speaker 19 It was the gun that killed the dog.

Speaker 89 We know it's the gun, without a doubt, the gun that killed the dog.

Speaker 94 So why would you shoot their dog if you didn't?

Speaker 45 You know, they wouldn't, the dog would not be with them.

Speaker 19 And why would they, if the dog's sick and they can't take care of him any longer, they would likely put their dog down, not you.

Speaker 40 Yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 19 You put their dog down.

Speaker 112 Wouldn't happen. Exactly.

Speaker 87 And if they really love the dog, they'd probably take it to have it put down humanely, I would assume.

Speaker 140 So they said that,

Speaker 17 you know, they told him you're under arrest because your fingerprints are on the container.

Speaker 144 And he said, well, I guess the best thing I need to do is go back to my cell and get an attorney, I reckon.

Speaker 79 The only thing I need to do, I reckon that.

Speaker 140 So they're still trying to to figure out, by the way, they still have no idea where the actual murder took place.

Speaker 100 Really?

Speaker 21 Where it happened, where they have no idea where anything happened, basically, because they think that the back of the truck seemed like a mobile, you know, unit here.

Speaker 68 Yeah.

Speaker 97 So they're trying to figure out if he had opportunity.

Speaker 39 Los Larry says he's trying to prove that he was working offshore.

Speaker 19 Oh, he's a rigged guy, huh?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 38 Now, the medical examiner determined that the victims were probably killed somewhere around December 22nd.

Speaker 137 But I think it's a lot earlier because they hadn't been seen for two weeks before that.

Speaker 50 So

Speaker 120 he said, so anyway, Lost Larry said,

Speaker 74 was it the middle, oh, this is the doctor, sorry.

Speaker 38 Was it the middle of December? Possibly.

Speaker 147 Was it the first part of December?

Speaker 38 That's possible.

Speaker 14 Could it have been the end of November?

Speaker 66 Could have been November 30th?

Speaker 61 Yes, that's possible as well.

Speaker 11 So as far as the exact time, it cannot be done.

Speaker 136 No idea.

Speaker 45 We know that Lost Larry, his work records show he was off of work November 11th, 12th, 13th, December 2nd through the 15th.

Speaker 57 That's a big window to kill people.

Speaker 50 Dang.

Speaker 27 December 24th and 25th, and 31st and January 1st.

Speaker 88 So he gets holidays off.

Speaker 42 So they don't know, they don't have an exact time of death.

Speaker 59 So they're basically saying he had a window in when there was a window

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Speaker 105 So, yeah, that's how that goes.

Speaker 56 Now, April 2003,

Speaker 34 pre-trial here, they want to exclude the evidence of other crimes.

Speaker 11 They sought to exclude evidence of, quote, hand grenade, pipe bombs, stolen trucks, stolen guns, and or stolen motorcycles.

Speaker 114 Jesus. You know, the dangerous ones.

Speaker 27 You know, all the stuff that makes them look real murdery.

Speaker 23 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 So the trial comes up, the prosecution, there's opening statements here.

Speaker 38 This is contentious from the start.

Speaker 138 The prosecutor gets up and like

Speaker 80 everybody who talks to a jury, first thing they do is thank the jurors for being there or appreciate it.

Speaker 72 It's a formality.

Speaker 66 The defense objects to it.

Speaker 60 First of all, you have to do real egregious shit to have your opening statements objected to.

Speaker 19 No niceties around.

Speaker 24 No niceties, but to say thank you for being objection, Your Honor.

Speaker 76 This is ridiculous.

Speaker 19 He's clearly pandering for likability.

Speaker 79 Wow.

Speaker 128 So that's where it is right from the start.

Speaker 17 Now, the defense has one defense defense and one defense only. Well, two defenses.

Speaker 27 One, Lost Larry was probably at work while this was going on.

Speaker 82 And number two, Larry, Larry, and Sheila were rats.

Speaker 97 They were informers for the DEA.

Speaker 33 And it's actually, it's the banditos who killed him for being a rat.

Speaker 56 That's what happened.

Speaker 61 That's why the DEA book was there and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 107 They said the information on the banditos are contained in books.

Speaker 56 Those books, by the way, have now been shredded by the DEA, so we have no way to look at them or know what was in them.

Speaker 79 Why did they do that?

Speaker 75 Because they're the DEA.

Speaker 56 And they had a bunch of informants in the book.

Speaker 33 So they said that the gang,

Speaker 27 Cynthia Anderson here, Lost Bitch, said the gang had twice tried to kill Lost Larry and Lost Bitch as well.

Speaker 56 This is according to the opening statements.

Speaker 72 He said the banditos clearly killed them and cut them up as a statement.

Speaker 128 This was a mafia-style hit.

Speaker 109 Oh.

Speaker 46 Wow. Okay.

Speaker 112 Well, in the mafia, they probably wouldn't leave fingerprints all over the webpage.

Speaker 79 Yeah, probably. They're pretty good at murder.

Speaker 19 They're probably leaving the head and hands on these.

Speaker 52 Probably pretty good at murder.

Speaker 19 Very few toe prints in police stations. It's mostly handprints.

Speaker 8 Most of the time. Yeah.

Speaker 46 They did it backwards.

Speaker 125 Oh, shit.

Speaker 112 We cut the wrong thing off.

Speaker 34 Now,

Speaker 38 the defense attorney described the two couples as best friends who took care of one another.

Speaker 82 The lost couple let Larry, Larry, and Sheila live with them.

Speaker 48 He said, also, they weren't kicked out, but simply moved to the trailer.

Speaker 29 It was owned by Cynthia, so she was being nice.

Speaker 38 She said, Cynthia lost bitch, even helped them move, which is how the fingerprints on the duct tape got on those containers.

Speaker 63 Those were containers used to move.

Speaker 87 So, you know, they said the dog also, they argued that the dead dog found wasn't even lost Larry, Larry, and Sheila's dog.

Speaker 7 It was a different dog.

Speaker 50 Not their dog.

Speaker 19 How are you going to prove it? That's a great point.

Speaker 88 That's the thing. They couldn't prove it.

Speaker 61 They said

Speaker 21 the defense is saying that this dog has white on him, and we don't remember their dog having any white on him.

Speaker 56 So it's not the same dog.

Speaker 140 Now, other people testified that there was the same dog.

Speaker 56 The dog was a black pit bull with white markings, and the dog in the photograph was a black pit bull with white markings.

Speaker 56 That's the dog that there's a picture with Larry, Larry, and Sheila.

Speaker 33 So, yeah, they said that that's how that goes.

Speaker 57 Now, a motorcycle gang expert testifies, because the whole thing is the banditos did it.

Speaker 140 This guy says that

Speaker 28 this is Trooper Mathiern, who was qualified as an expert in outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Speaker 18 Expert.

Speaker 25 Expert.

Speaker 72 He said that he worked with the criminal intelligence unit of the Louisiana State Police, whose primary responsibility is the tracking and ID of outlaw motorcycle gangs.

Speaker 21 He said that the Banshees are considered an outlaw motorcycle gang,

Speaker 56 but they're a little bit different. They don't do that much organized crime type of thing.

Speaker 8 He said the fact that

Speaker 63 Larry Larry's tattoos had not been defaced when he was killed, meaning his tattoos were all fine, intact.

Speaker 8 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 57 His banshee tattoos and shit.

Speaker 19 if it's them, they're going to fuck with those.

Speaker 38 He said that to him tells him there's a good possibility that a member of the Banshees committed the murders.

Speaker 139 Because they would have access to him.

Speaker 56 That's who he hangs out with, and the banditos wouldn't have left his tattoos alone.

Speaker 16 That's called pulling your badge. Isn't that gross? Yeah,

Speaker 111 that's and if you have to want to leave too, they got to take him with them.

Speaker 17 So he said that the banditos denied any involvement in the crimes and had told him to look within the banshee organization.

Speaker 88 That's what they heard.

Speaker 40 According to this trooper, he said, the banditos, the guy said, I'd tell you if we did it because we'd want to brag about it.

Speaker 37 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 38 It's like a terrorist organization.

Speaker 78 If they're not claiming credit, they didn't do it because they're only doing it to claim credit for it.

Speaker 111 That's it.

Speaker 138 So, yeah, they said, not us.

Speaker 57 Now, Lost Bitch said that Lost Larry had some disagreements with the Banditos at racetracks in Baton Rouge and Shreveport.

Speaker 42 So, might have been they were mad at us, so maybe they did that.

Speaker 92 They bring the detective up there, and they'd really talk about the boxes and

Speaker 48 the type of plastic and the type of containers.

Speaker 85 ridiculous.

Speaker 88 And also, that isn't it possible that the banditos had performed a hit on Larry Larry and all that?

Speaker 103 And

Speaker 38 the defense attorney said to the cop, didn't you say that was possible?

Speaker 39 And the cop said, I don't remember fucking saying that.

Speaker 21 That doesn't sound like me.

Speaker 76 So they said, was Larry Larry an informant, therefore a target for

Speaker 65 rival bikers?

Speaker 72 Well, they said he was arrested many, many times, but he served little jail time, Larry Larry.

Speaker 50 So

Speaker 67 the lawyer said, doesn't that tell you he's an informant?

Speaker 19 It's awfully strange, innit?

Speaker 8 He said, said, not necessarily.

Speaker 40 Could just be lucky.

Speaker 106 They also brought in a DEA guy who said that while he could not normally divulge the information, he received special permission to appear in court here to talk about this.

Speaker 82 And they said that Larry, Larry, and Sheila have, quote, never been DEA informants.

Speaker 139 Okay. So during cross-examination, they said,

Speaker 94 is there a federal law that would allow you to lie under oath regarding such a matter?

Speaker 33 And he said, no.

Speaker 52 He said, absolutely not.

Speaker 80 He said, if the answer was something else, he would simply refuse to answer the question and say, that's confidential.

Speaker 88 I can't answer that.

Speaker 31 And he said, I wouldn't lie in court.

Speaker 11 Lost Bitch testifies.

Speaker 26 She said, I know I didn't kill Larry and Sheila, and neither did my husband.

Speaker 34 She said that the murders, quote, they just fell in our laps.

Speaker 29 And then she talks about the banditos stalking them at one point, too, meaning Lost Larry and Lost bitch.

Speaker 33 She said they followed them after leaving a racetrack, and she said that a vehicle once rammed the couple's motorcycle, trying to cause them to crash.

Speaker 56 But they never reported the incidents to law enforcement, you know, because it was within the,

Speaker 73 you know, the

Speaker 91 confines of motorcycle rivalries.

Speaker 139 In cross-examination here,

Speaker 57 Now they say you're not a member of the club because you're a female, but you knew about the problems between the Banshees and the Banditos.

Speaker 34 And she said that the Banditos wanted to coexist with the Banshees by opening up chapters where the Banshees are located.

Speaker 34 A New Orleans Banshee member testified that the Banshees and Banditos are not at war, but actually at peace.

Speaker 79 So it would make no sense.

Speaker 19 It's peace time right now.

Speaker 106 They're actually trying to get along and possibly get a, you know, kind of be allies rather than killing each other.

Speaker 15 They said this guy told jurors that he did find a piece of paper in his trailer where Larry, Larry, and Kirby lived that had DEA-sensitive material in it, but that he burned it rather than taking it to the police.

Speaker 56 So there was something else.

Speaker 11 They also brought in a black spray-painted board, this Banshee member did, which he says lost bitch said she painted in the back of her truck.

Speaker 38 So this is where that paint came from, not from the, it's just, it's a coincidence that it's the exact same thing as the boxes.

Speaker 76 Right.

Speaker 61 So they said that's also the box, the drops of blood are also from that.

Speaker 73 The drops of paint are also from this.

Speaker 57 It was a big board that she painted that was like a in memorial or a memoriam of the dead Banshee members.

Speaker 88 Okay.

Speaker 56 Yeah, so that's how it went.

Speaker 9 Lost Larry testifies as well.

Speaker 109 Really?

Speaker 17 He had to testify that he was working offshore.

Speaker 61 He testified that he and Lost Bitch took in Larry Larry and Kirby when they had nowhere else to go.

Speaker 112 He said many of the Banshee's motorcycle gang that he and Larry Larry belonged to told him not to take Larry Larry in because they didn't approve of his actions.

Speaker 117 He's a bad guy, yeah.

Speaker 33 He said Larry Larry was always participating in illegal activities, and he said, but deep down he knew Larry Larry was a good guy.

Speaker 19 18 arrest, misunderstood.

Speaker 18 Misunderstood.

Speaker 24 He's just a scamp. He's like a 12-year-old who's got too much energy.

Speaker 15 That's all.

Speaker 18 He just looks the part, and the police love that.

Speaker 14 Yeah, cop turns around to give a ticket.

Speaker 52 He rides off on his motorcycle, spray painting it black as he goes.

Speaker 139 But Lost Larry said he would give you the shirt off his back.

Speaker 27 It'd be filthy and smelling like meth smoke, but still, it's a good thing.

Speaker 79 It'd diverge from the catfish festival.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but he'd give it to you.

Speaker 27 So he also testifies that he did not cut holes in the plastic box that held Cook's body.

Speaker 17 He also said he didn't own the caliber gun used to shoot them, which he got pulled over with the same caliber fucking gun.

Speaker 112 When they arrested him, he had a 9mm gun.

Speaker 17 It wasn't the same one to shoot them, but it...

Speaker 17 And then they said he had another one that was stolen when their house was ransomed.

Speaker 19 We don't even know if it's not the same one that shot them because the bullets weren't weren't recovered.

Speaker 129 So there's nothing messed up.

Speaker 116 That's another thing.

Speaker 117 They don't have no fucking idea.

Speaker 72 He said that it was not uncommon for him to go into one of his sheds and put his hands in paint because Cook, Larry Larry, had painted containers and put them in the shed.

Speaker 19 He could go fresh painted shit in there.

Speaker 54 God damn it, it's fresh paint.

Speaker 38 He said he denied the prints were made while he was cutting a hole in the storage box and denied that he cut a hole in the box at all.

Speaker 33 He said that Larry Larry painted everything because he stole it. He said that

Speaker 28 including the shit that he didn't steal, he would paint.

Speaker 66 He just got in a, he would, they'd wake up in the morning and he'd have painted everything.

Speaker 27 Larry Larry painted Lost Larry and Lost Bitch's new motorcycle that they had. He painted it, spray painted it.

Speaker 146 Their lawnmower for some reason.

Speaker 19 I'll fucking kill you. It's brand new.

Speaker 83 And their house.

Speaker 99 They came home one day and he had just painted the fucking house.

Speaker 19 What do y'all think?

Speaker 100 What the fuck?

Speaker 24 He also painted the garage and the kitchen cabinets.

Speaker 19 Oh, my God, with spray paint?

Speaker 24 With spray paint.

Speaker 124 So they were like, what the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 130 So they said,

Speaker 91 this is a great line.

Speaker 34 After he explains all this, and the prosecutor goes, man, you must have wanted to kill him, huh?

Speaker 7 And he goes, no, no.

Speaker 87 Just saying he liked to paint shit.

Speaker 32 That's pretty fucking funny.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 135 anyway, he said that the dog, there's shit about the dog too, that

Speaker 85 what's this about you, quote, shot some dogs.

Speaker 74 And he said, well, I had shot dogs in the area.

Speaker 37 When I said I had shot several dogs, he said some dogs had been dropped off near his home and got into his trash.

Speaker 94 So he shot a bunch of dogs,

Speaker 92 which

Speaker 92 that's what you do there, right?

Speaker 19 Just stray dogs that were nosing through the trash, you know, just trying to survive.

Speaker 58 No, you just blow them away, shoot them,

Speaker 91 take them in or try to take them to a rescue, just shoot them.

Speaker 134 He had no recollection of shooting a particular dog, he said.

Speaker 79 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 116 They all blend together.

Speaker 63 I shoot so many dogs.

Speaker 7 I don't see breed.

Speaker 79 Yeah.

Speaker 68 Holy shit.

Speaker 140 That is fucking funny.

Speaker 29 He said that it wouldn't surprise him if Larry Larry killed the dog because he'd previously told Sheila that he would put a bullet in that dog because it made him mad a couple of times, which no one else said that was true.

Speaker 56 Everyone else said he was, that dog was like his child.

Speaker 88 So

Speaker 80 go into,

Speaker 90 this is amazing.

Speaker 91 Lost bitch calls her mother, Vivian Anderson, or

Speaker 27 lost mama bitch over here.

Speaker 49 She said that Cindy, Cynthia, cannot be lying in all anything she's saying, quote, because she can never keep a secret.

Speaker 7 Oh, ever, her whole life.

Speaker 34 So she said she never indicated to me that she was involved in these murders and she couldn't have kept it from me.

Speaker 56 She would have said it. So obviously, she didn't do it.

Speaker 17 Now, there is no physical evidence other than these fingerprints and the paint stains.

Speaker 59 They don't really have, there's no, the gun doesn't match, and the fact that they definitely shot his dog.

Speaker 146 Other than that, they don't have anything.

Speaker 32 They have Hugats here.

Speaker 19 You got your fingerprints on a package that's holding bodies.

Speaker 52 That's it. That's not good.

Speaker 102 So the prosecution in their closing, they said, well, there's a handgun owned by Lost Larry, which was used to kill the dog.

Speaker 56 At least one of the boxes in which the victims was found had been painted in the back of their truck.

Speaker 67 The lid was spray painted after it had been taped to the box, so not like Lost Larry or Larry Larry painted it and then they did this.

Speaker 27 Put himself in it.

Speaker 17 Lost Larry's fingerprints were in the dried paint on the lid in which the box, where the bodies were found.

Speaker 67 Anderson's fingerprints were found on the adhesive side of the duct tape to secure one of them.

Speaker 88 That's what they have.

Speaker 11 Now, the defense says you can't prove when or where they were even killed.

Speaker 106 You don't even know what parish they were killed in.

Speaker 29 That took you a month to figure out.

Speaker 82 You don't know who did it. You don't know how they were.

Speaker 142 You don't know anything.

Speaker 144 You know shit.

Speaker 29 They said the prosecution has no blood, no murder weapon, no saw.

Speaker 85 They have nothing.

Speaker 141 Quote, they have nothing.

Speaker 88 Sorry, they have nothing. They talked about,

Speaker 91 you know, all of that shit.

Speaker 37 Now, the verdict comes in.

Speaker 88 This is for both of them.

Speaker 59 It's a three-hour deliberation.

Speaker 29 I believe it's eight women, four men on the jury.

Speaker 110 And they find both of the losts

Speaker 80 guilty of two counts of second-degree murder.

Speaker 111 Wow.

Speaker 98 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 56 That is fucking interesting.

Speaker 15 And they are sentenced to, you, sir, and ma'am, may fuck off two terms each of life in prison without parole.

Speaker 100 Oh, shit.

Speaker 73 Done.

Speaker 93 Fucked.

Speaker 118 Here.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Now there's some appealing going on.

Speaker 27 2004, they appeal.

Speaker 61 That's denied.

Speaker 33 2006, they appeal as well on sufficiency of evidence

Speaker 26 saying that

Speaker 26 one of the many enemies of the victims could have conceived, planned, and executed the murders.

Speaker 45 These two didn't have a motive for killing the victims as they had fed and clothed them and provided them with shelter and transportation.

Speaker 106 There's no prior difficulties of any kind which would show motive.

Speaker 17 The brotherhood to which they belonged entirely precluded them from harm.

Speaker 45 It was in the bylaws of

Speaker 52 the motorcycle club, not allowed to kill each other.

Speaker 27 Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, you might think I would break a law and kill a guy, but I'd never break the bylaws of the motorcycle club.

Speaker 18 That's crazy.

Speaker 19 Those are the only laws I live by.

Speaker 18 Those are the ones I live by.

Speaker 49 In another assignment of error, they said that the

Speaker 63 trial was a circus.

Speaker 134 They turned it into a security circus.

Speaker 67 So that made everybody seem like he was more guilty.

Speaker 137 As many as nine deputies from three parishes hovered around a metal detector located within feet of the jury room and courtroom and searched people because it's a bunch of bikers.

Speaker 47 They don't want

Speaker 34 allege that he alleges he was escorted from another facility by as many as four police cars.

Speaker 97 Who cares? It doesn't matter.

Speaker 28 They're afraid your friends are going to try to spring you like 48 hours.

Speaker 18 That's why.

Speaker 24 We've all seen fucking 48 hours.

Speaker 93 You know what I mean?

Speaker 40 The bus flips and rolls. We got to have that shit.

Speaker 17 He also alleges that the defense attorneys were searched four or five times each day, even when having gone to and from the men's room located a few feet away.

Speaker 132 Okay.

Speaker 38 So anyway, no one also was allowed in the first two two rows behind the defendants and their attorneys and no less than two deputies guarded the door

Speaker 137 to the room from being used by them for consultation.

Speaker 56 Okay.

Speaker 76 Also, they suggested to the jury that they were, quote, very, very bad people.

Speaker 132 They find him.

Speaker 143 That's affirmed.

Speaker 8 Fuck off.

Speaker 80 So these two are still sitting in prison.

Speaker 23 Very little evidence, but I mean, pretty obvious they did it.

Speaker 19 Minus those fingerprints, they don't get caught.

Speaker 141 They have nothing.

Speaker 73 Nothing. Nothing.

Speaker 55 Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 41 They have rumors of dead dog and nothing else.

Speaker 56 They fucked up good there.

Speaker 28 Latex gloves.

Speaker 89 Done.

Speaker 39 This whole case is over.

Speaker 15 Unbelievable.

Speaker 143 But you should wear all your paint anyway.

Speaker 116 Why do you want to get your hands covered with paint?

Speaker 79 Yeah, gloves.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 78 So anyway, there you go, everybody.

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Speaker 18 Never found his legs.

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Speaker 8 Oh, thanks for shooting. Yeah, they've been eaten.

Speaker 7 Maybe a snack.

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Speaker 79 Harley sign.

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