#561 - Losing Streak Lois - Blooming Prairie, Minnesota

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It's a comedy show, everybody. This is a comedy show.
Everything is true. That's the sad and sick part is that unfortunately none of this is made up for any kind of comedic effect or make it more entertaining or, you know, interesting or anything like that.
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And you might say, well, how the hell do you make true crime and comedy go together? I think it's pretty easy, actually. To me, it makes it more digestible.
It's a little easier to take than somebody. And then her head was removed from her body.
That's a little creepy to me. And also, there's another way you do it, and this is what we do here, is we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families.
Why, James? Because we're assholes. But? But we're not scumbags.
See how that works? It's a deal. It's super easy to do there.
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I think it's time to sit back,

everybody. Let's all clear the lungs.

What do you say here? Arms to the

sky and let's all shout

Shut up

and give

me murder.

Let's do this, everybody.

Here we go.

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

Let's do it.

We're going to Minnesota.

Yeah, it's a lovely place.

We like Minnesota a lot.

We really do.

This is Blooming Prairie, Minnesota, where we've never done a show out in the prairie there.

We mainly stick to Minneapolis,apolis but hey that's all right

this is in southern minnesota it's about an hour and 20 minutes to minneapolis and also an hour 20

minutes to our last minnesota episode which was in woodbury minnesota that was episode 516 the

office stalker i remember that was freaking it was freaky weird story there this isn't this freaky

weird this is in steel county steel with an e on the end of it there steel county next to it's

All the time. It was a freaky weird story there.
Freaky weird. This is freaky weird.
This is in Steele County. Steele with an E on the end of it there.
Steele County. It's also a little bit of this town edges over into Dodge County as well.
Love that. A couple of counties.
Area code 507. The motto here.
You are a really, really optimistic motto. Yeah.
A great place to spend the next 100 years. Wow.
I mean, shit, if you got it in you, sure. You guys got everything for 100 years.
100 years. Well, you're going to be there for 100 years, apparently, if you move there.
That's a very optimistic motto. History of this town.
1868 it started. They took the name of the surrounding Blooming Prairie township.
And they were like, let's just knock the township off. Very creative, people.
Very creative. Now, before prohibition came into effect here, Blooming Prairie's presence near the intersection of all these counties made it a big-time place to stop and buy alcohol.
Oh. Yeah.
In 1917, Steel County was the only one of the four around it, Mower, Freeborn, Dodge, and Steel, to have alcohol for sale. Yeah.
So you could both own and consume alcohol, but you could also sell it there too. That's nice.
That was a big deal. So during the Prohibition Act, several tunnels were dug under the businesses on Main Street.
They tunneled under Main Street for the purpose of making moonshine and being able to move it back and forth without being seen on the surface, which is pretty goddamn funny. Because you picture that in Chicago, there's things.
In york it's oh this is an old place to run you know they snuck the liquor in you don't think of it in blooming prairie minnesota of like let's dig a hole under main street so we can get the rum out reviews of this town here there are only three reviews and they're all five stars which is crazy we've never seen that before so people seem really like it here. Let's find out.
Five stars. I really like Blooming Prairie because all the people are kind, and there's a very strong sense of community.
Everyone looks out for one another. It is a small town, but they have everything you need.
Okay. Everything.
There's not a lot of people. For 100 years, evidently.
All you're going to need for the next 100 years, everybody. Five stars.
I like living here. I know everyone and everyone knows me.
All right? It is a super friendly town where if something is happening, then everyone will find out fast. Gossip, in other words.
That's what that says to me. And then five stars.
Amazing little town with lots to offer. There's a park, a small pool, smaller class sizes, which means more one-on-one time with your children.
There's even a small gym, which is helpful. Yeah.
All right. To get more kids.
I don't know what there's. I guess the schools.
Get more face time with everybody else's kids. There's a park, a small pool, smaller class size.
I guess so. I guess the teacher gets to spend more time with their kids.
I don't know. Population here, 2,074.
Great. That's a tiny town.
That is really little here. More females than males by a pretty decent amount, actually.
Median age is just about around the national average. It's usually about 37 here.
It's 36 and a half. About 50-50 married, just like kind of your typical suburb type of a place.
Less people are single with children. More married with children type of people here.
That's the type of place this is. And the burbs out here, race of this town, 92.8% white, 0.3% black, 6.7% Hispanic, and 0.2% to or more races.
So it's Minnesota. I mean, outside of Minneapolis.
It's a small town in southern Minnesota. Very religious here.
72.3% of the people here are religious. Really? That's like Utah numbers.
That's really high. And most of the highest here is Lutheran, of course.
It's going to be Lutheran, if you've seen Drop Dead Gorgeous, the Girls Lutheran Gun Club or whatever they had there. It's all that stuff.
The unemployment rate here is about the national average. It's pretty close.
It's right around a little under 5%. Median household income here, rest of the country, it's about $69 it is 57 625 so a little bit lower than the national average and that's not great but cost of living is also lower so that's helpful i think it works out uh here cost of living 100 is regular here it's 83 so a little bit lower median home cost here two hundred twelve thousand eight2,800, which is lower.
This is why everybody loves it.

Yeah, it's cheap.

It's nice.

I mean, and it's like an hour 20 for Minneapolis.

So if you really, really wanted to live here and work in Minneapolis, you could.

Easy.

You could.

I mean, I understand in the Midwest, I don't know if that's really a desirable commute,

but in a lot of places, that's nothing an hour 20.

I mean, if you live in New York or California or something, Florida or Atlanta, it's nothing an hour 20 i mean if you live in new york or

california or something florida or atlanta it takes you an hour 20 to get to work and that's

how you can make the money so you're gonna do it yeah why not right so anyway we've convinced you

we've already we've got you locked in we know that what you're doing right now you're about to

head over and find a place to live in blooming prairie minnesota this is what you want we're

one step ahead of you everybody we have for you the blooming prairie minnesota real estate report okay your average two-bedroom rental here goes for 990 dollars which is about well yeah 300 under of the national average. That's not bad at all.
Here's a four-bedroom, three-bath,

six-bedroom, three-bath, 1,710-square-foot house, which sounds great. It's not bad, yeah.
Not bad. I mean, enough.
I got some kids or something here. But the problem is, this house looks like it's an abandoned murder shed.
It's terrifying looking. Yeah, the paint's peeling off.
There's shit overgrown. It looks like definitely there's a body or something bad happened there.
It's not. On Zillow, on the listing, they highlight the, quote, hardwood floors.
But the hardwood floors are plywood. What they mean is hardwood floors.
Yeah, hard wood floors. Very funny farmish here.
But it's plywood. It's shit.
Somebody also wrote, there's a door in the house where someone wrote, beware of the ghost on it. Oh, boy.
There's shit like growing on the front of the house. This place is terrifying.
It's a terrifying horror house. If you want to make a haunted house for halloween or something that'd be nice it's they want you to know but if they miss you they wrote it on the door they wrote it on the door just in case eighty four thousand nine hundred dollars for this house wow and i i wouldn't put anything past i'm sure there's a there's probably a ghost doing all sorts of shit in there you don't want you walk in it's it's two ghosts doing it doggy style on the fucking couch.
You're like, oh, God. I love it.
It's a weird looking house. Here's a four bedroom, two bath, 2160 square foot house.
Really boring, really basic. The kitchen was recently redone.
You could tell everything else is like 2004 style in there. It's just not anything exciting.
You'd say, tell me about your new house. You'd go, that's got four walls and a roof.
You know, pretty, pretty dull. There's nothing else to write home about here.
And 199,900 bucks though. 2,160 square feet and four bedrooms for under 200 grand.
That's not bad. If you got some kids and you need bedrooms for them, that's not, that's going to be a good place to do it.
Here's a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,734 square feet. This house is a goddamn shame because it's built in 1890, which means it's probably got some cool original shit that is completely stripped away 100%.
Everything is gray and white and HGTV four years ago. Brand new.
They have gray laminate floors, those fake wood floors they have. How do you do that? That house probably has amazing original hardwood floors, and they're like, let's put laminate over it.
Probably, yeah. We don't want to buff anything, so let's do that.
They're not into buffing. They're into that.
So that house, $289,900. And that's a redone and a new house.
So that's only 1,700 square feet. There isn't a lot of big houses here.
There's not a lot of mansions in this area. This is kind of- It's all 2,000 square feet-ish and three-bedroom, two-bath.
I feel like that's why everybody gets along maybe in this town. Maybe everybody gets along because there's not like those rich assholes in that neighborhood.
They don't have that. It's just everybody has some.
You know what I mean? Everybody halves a little. Yeah, no one's starving.
No one is fucking driving around a Ferrari. Everybody kind of feels like they're in the same socioeconomic area.
That can help. Things to do here.
There's only one thing to do that we could find here, and it's the old-fashioned 4th of July. Old-fashioned.
None of this newfangled 4th of July bullshit. I don't know.
The men sit and the women make us a grill. What's more, no matter what, the 4th of July is fireworks, which are very old-fashioned.
They've been around since the 1800s.

Sure.

What?

Hot dogs, hamburgers, cheeseburgers.

Pretty old-fashioned.

That's it, yeah.

Sitting around.

So those beers, yeah.

Parades, again, very old-fashioned.

There's really nothing other than this new school.

What else is there for 4th of July?

I don't know, but come on out to this.

It's their 49th annual old-fashioned 4th of July, and there's a 5 race. Gotta be in that.
There's a street dance at J&H Liquors. Yeah, I mean...
You gotta get drunk before you dance. That's where you smile the most, probably.
I don't know if it's in the liquor store. Maybe.
Like in the white wine aisle, or if it's out front of the place.

There's a volleyball tournament after that also.

A tractor pull.

This is a really, there's a lot going on here.

This is summertime fair is what this is.

Beer gardens, bounce house, you know, like the pioneers did on the 4th of July.

They had a bounce house with a video game trailer, you know, like the old-fashioned 4th of July. None of this new bullshit.
Yeah. That's what they had back in the day.
Video game trailers when they wanted to celebrate the birth of our nation. Generator-powered TVs in 1776.
Oh, it was there. A cornhole tournament, which obviously dates back.
1777, yeah. Dates way back to George Washington was the foremost cornholer in the entire country back in the day.
We all know that. There's a chicken fry at BP Servicemen's Club.
What? At the gas station? Chicken fry over at the gas station. I assure you, gas station chicken is a bad idea.
We've told you exactly how bad of an idea that is.

Not a good idea. A kid's pedal tractor pull, obviously.

Yeah.

A family youth dance with mobile DJ.

You know, just like the old pioneers used to do on the 4th of July.

Youth dance.

An antique tractor show.

A beer garden at City Park.

No outside alcohol allowed. You have to buy it from them beer gardens i love several of those first lutheran church uh music in gazebo and beer garden first lutheran church music and beer garden uh dj on the lot behind jnh liquors i just picture this poor bastards in a parking lot behind a liquor store picture nobody there just a guy standing in front of his turntables going i set up for this the poor bastard j or l has people behind him making music and people in front dancing poor bastard can't sell anything that's the only way he sells any liquor bro maybe so they come and get drunk um

yeah food trucks bounce house kids races uh pony rides gotta have those a dunk tank again just like the pioneers used to do yeah then there's a parade and then live entertainment gets there right after the parade

Travis Thamert

Mammert?

Thamert

T-H-A-M-E-R-T

Travis Thamert. Mamert? Thamert.
T-H-A-M-E-R-T. Travis Thamert.
I don't think he's going to make it with that name. Thamert? No.
You've got to change that shit. Go with your middle name, Travis.
Travis John or Travis Paul. Something other than this.
Yeah. You know, it's something like that here.
This will be at the State School Orphanage Museum.

Yeah.

Where all the hot gigs take place.

The State School Orphanage Museum.

See how bad the orphans used to live.

Here's a picture of an actual bastard.

Well, they have a, this is the fucked up part, too.

They have tours of historic areas and shit like that.

They basically play old-timey orphanage for the day.

They have kids.

Look at this.

What?

Thank you, Sam.

I have another.

Children dress up in time period clothes.

In old-timey orphan time period.

And pretend to be.

Orphans.

Unwanted.

And they have, like, scripts in their hands to say, like, their tragic life and my mother died of cholera and my father died in an explosion at the molasses factory. And my dad didn't have mammaries to feed me.
He couldn't feed me. So that's how that goes.
There's a screening of a 1930 film and also a genealogy research assistant will be there to help you. Oh, see if you're a bastard, too.
From the orphanage. See if you ever started out there.
Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here, is very low. Property crime is about one quarter of the national average.
Great. So very low.
And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of all crime is about one third of the national average.
Wow. So this place is pretty safe, I got to say.
Wow. Everybody just doing well and being nice to each other? Nobody's angry that someone else is much richer than them.
I think that's what it is. Minnesota nice as fuck.
Let's talk about some murder here. Okay.
Whoa, my goodness, do we have some crazy shit to get into. All right.
Have to give credit to the Atavist, Atavist magazine, Atavist.com. An article by John Rosengren.
Really good article. Really comprehensive.
Put everything together and got a lot of information out of it that was available other places and they kind of really made it a easier place to find some of the core of the story. So good job.
Centrally located. Got to give credit where credit's due here.
Let's talk about some people, shall we? All right. All right.
Dave Reese here. R-I-E-S-S.
There's some places it's spelled R-E-I, but it's R-I-E is what I've seen in all the legal things here. Yeah, Dave Reese.
He's born in Rochester, Minnesota, which is just off to the east of where we are here in Blooming Prairie. He's born on April 24th, 1963, and kind of grew up in Rochester.
He went to Mayo High School, which I believe is all that Mayo shit is the Mayo Clinic and all that kind of shit. Oh, is that right? Yes.
Yeah. You dug deep for that one.
Yeah. But is that real? Yeah.
The Mayo Clinic is from Minnesota. Oh, I didn't know that was a person.
I don't know either. Did they name it Mayo? I don't know if they're just really excited about mayonnaise up there or not.
Big Fleischman's name. Just name after fucking Best Foods.
After Governor Hellman, if you remember from back in the day. Yeah, yeah.
So he is in the class of 1981 at Mayo High School, known as a real prankster, old Dave. Was he? Real cut up there.
Yes, kind of a fun-loving kind of a guy here. So he enlists in the Navy when he graduates, which 81, not a bad time to enlist in the Navy.
Vietnam's over. We're not real into any big wars at this point.
Yeah, that is a good one. 81 to 85, that's a solid service year.
That's not bad. No problem.
Grenada might have been in there or something, but other than that, you're good. You're pretty good here.
So he's stationed in San Diego also. So not too shabby there.
Get the fuck out. Jesus.
Good decision there. Yeah.
He's doing that. He puts the parka away and goes down to San Diego to look at some bikinis.
So there's a friend of his named Denny. So we got Dave and Denny here.
And Denny describes meeting Dave. And he said that they became friends because I guess Dave was a friend of a friend.
And somebody offered him the very attractive offer of, hey, would you like to go over to this guy's house who you don't know and lay some carpet for him as a favor today? dave said sure what like a more unattractive offer i don't think could be put on the table he's got one of those claws with the padded thing you throw your knee into i guess so would you i don't even know if he has that or if it's just like a a carpet laying party do you call that a carpet stretcher or some? Yeah, those things that you put on your knees and pull them out

I guess. I don't fucking know.
I've seen people

lay carpets without that shit though. They just put them down.

Really? Fuck yeah, they're lazy.

Oh, you just leave it wrinkly?

We don't know what the hell kind of fucking

I don't know how this guy's living his life.

We don't even, it's not Dave or Denny.

It's Dave and Denny's friend.

So, uh, anyway

Dave agreed to

come over and do this. So you know he's a nice guy

right away. No shit.
Because I'd laugh right in your face if you said you want to go to a stranger's house to lay carpet. No thank you.
Why come over with me to my neighbor's house? You know what that sounds like? That sounds like a job is what that sounds like. Going to a stranger's house to do work sounds like a job to me.
Doesn't that come with the carpet? Why are you buying it sans insulation? Because it's cheap. That's what I mean.
I guess. Cheap, cheap, cheap.
And this is when he's young, too. So I don't know if this is some 24-year-old guy putting his carpet down and doesn't have enough money or whatever the deal is.
Or if he's putting it in because he soiled it and he wants to hang on to his security deposit. That's possible.
So anyway, Dave and Denny got talking about fishing, which they both reel into fishing, and they become very good friends. And if you judge all of Minnesota off grumpy old men, as I do, everybody does nothing but try to get walleye all the time and musky.
That's the whole point of your life. Sure, you guys work and you go to school and you do things, but it's really just to get to fishing time, isn't it? I bet there's some bluegill around there too.
All that and chasing around hot old ladies, I believe, is what you guys do over there. Eight hours of work and then fill the rest of the time chasing skirt and fishing.
Chasing old skirt and fishing. That's what you're doing.
Quite the lifestyle I have up there. So Dave and Denny ended up renting a trailer home right on the Mississippi River.

And they used that as a, not to live in, but as a base camp for their fishing.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, they literally rented a fishing trailer.

That's how much they like to fish.

That's incredible.

That's quite the life they're putting together here.

They entered competitions, too, fishing competitions, and actually won some money and were on ESPN at one point in one of their fishing tournaments in the 80s which is pretty cool espn in the 80s on a weekend from about 7 a.m to noon it was nothing but fishing there was the guy with that fucking that blonde bowl cut there the hell is his name it was jimmy something i can't remember it was jimmy something but uh he catch you go that's a nas fish right there nas fish and my my dad would say that shit all the time that's a nas fish every time you'd see any kind of fish as a joke you go that's a nas fish right there every single time is it jimmy houston jimmy houston there you go jimmy houston with his fucking bull cut. His big stupid sunglasses.
Yeah, and that's a nice fish. That's a nice fish.
Every time. That's a nice fish.
No matter what. The fish could have had one fucking eye and an arrow sticking in it.
He would have said, that's a nice fish right there. Loved fish.
Somebody speared this one years ago. Oh, that's a nice fish.
That's a tough and a nice fish i'll tell you what so they're doing good uh denny said there was a lot of laughter in that boat being out there it didn't take a whole lot to get him laughing he was just a happy guy okay dave's just a big happy guy that's that's what he's known as here um now during this time when he's you know laying carpet and fucking pulling fish out of lakes and rivers and shit it's not even a euphemism he's really doing he's really doing it that's what i mean this is not hey my man's laying carpet he uh meets a young lady that he's quite smitten with he meets a young lady named lois witty w-i-t-t-e lo. Lois has some older sisters named Kim and Cindy, and they'll come into the story later on too, so you need to know that.
They get married on September 17th, 1982. He's 19, she's 20.
Oh, got the older gal chasing that old skirt. The old skirt right there see minnesota this is what happens what does he do fish and chase older women just what i said man i'm telling you we nailed it yeah nailed it so uh yeah he and lois here um i guess he's got quite the light he's 19 years old he's got a fishing trailer fishing trailer.
He's laying carpet. He's got a wife already.
Man. So much money.
He's moving fast here. Lois is also from Rochester here.
Five kids in her family. She's got, like we said, she's got two older sisters.
She's the fourth of five children. So kind of a middle-lower child, I guess you'd call that.
Yeah. Her father was an, I, uh, an engineer at IBM.
Her mother is a bit of a mess. She's got some, there's some stuff floating around in her family, obviously.
And we'll find out later on. Her mother's a hoarder.
Really bad. Really, really, really bad.
Like the house is destroyed. Lois never had a friend over the house because she was so embarrassed.

Unlivable.

Like none of the kids could bring people over the house or anything like that.

They never had company.

They never had anything because her mother was a hoarder.

The whole house was taken over.

I'd never heard of it until the show.

I mean, obviously it had to have been a thing 100 years ago.

I've heard of people that – and I remember because I remember hearing about the Collier brothers.

And I knew there was people like that where it was like, oh, there's these people and they just keep a bunch of shit.

in the... ago but i've heard of like people that and i remember because i remember hearing about the collier brothers yeah and i knew there was people like that where it was like oh there's these people and they just keep a bunch of shit and then there's dead cats everywhere and like yeah and then the tv shows like yeah those people and they are there's so many of them though there's so many one every week it's so fucking sad you know what i mean it's so sad and we don't know the there's always and on hoarders they'll always find the trigger like oh she was fine and then you know her son was hit by a mac truck and they're like okay well then she started collecting things and then it got weird there's always some trigger to it yeah she started collecting mementos that reminded her grandmother that spontaneously combusted that's what i mean so there we don't know what her mother's trigger is or what happened or what tragedy happened, but whatever happened, it wasn't while Lois was around.
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But Lois ended up leaving high school after the 11th grade. She dropped out.
It's a weird time to quit, but all right. Strange thing.
After the 11th grade. So I guess she figured it's not working out.
Or I don't know. If you have a home life like that, who knows what was going on in her brain here.
So following the wedding in 82, she and Dave have three kids in four years. That's fast they are pumping fucking kids they talk about so he is 23 and she's 24 and they got three kids a fishing trailer a fucking marriage all this that's a lot of responsibility at that age and you don't have a kid every time you fuck these They do.
These people are just constantly fucking. They do.
I think they have a kid every time they fuck. These two are.

Man. And you don't have a kid every time you fuck.
These people are just constantly fucking. They do.
I think they have a kid every time they fuck. These two are.
Man, the cold gets those sperm swimming. You know what I mean? That's how it works.
That's fascinating. They're supposed to swim slower.
Not here. No, no, no.
When guys have problems with that, they put a fucking cooling. They get a cooling underwear.
Really? Yes, because it makes your sperm work better. Yeah, the heat makes them lethargic.
Like salmon. Yeah, so that's why they'll tell you wear boxer shorts.
Don't wear anything that keeps your balls tight to your body because that'll keep the heat in and keep your sperm dying. Really? Yeah, so I think this guy's cold environment and loose pants is the best explanation I can have for three kids in four years.
Yeah, I heard I fucking it was a sitcom where somebody was trying to get somebody pregnant. And that was one of the things they tried.
I don't remember what it was. I sit on peas all the time.
I remember there was a motor in his underwear is all I can remember out of the thing. And that was a joke because they kept hearing the motor.
No, nothing's going on. I can't remember what it was.
So that's a lot of kids. They had a boy, a girl, and then a boy again.
Damn it. Bang, bang, bang.
Now, her youngest boy said she was caring about Lois. She was caring.
Always put herself second and us kids first. Sure.
So you got to do that, Mark. Not bad.
Yeah. So Dave finishes his stint in the Navy.
Because remember, he's in the Navy this whole fucking time. He was in Guam after a while.
So he was stationed well far away from his family here. And once he gets done with that, the whole family moves back to Rochester.
So I think they ended up having those kids in San Diego and all that stuff. So Dave gets a job at Crenlo, which is a manufacturer of metal equipment.
That sounds fun. Sounds like a place that does that.
It really does. He drove a forklift.
Awesome. So that's fun.
That's cool. He eventually opened a small bait shop called the Bait Box.
There you go. He has a real love of fishing and what bait goes for what.
He's a real expert angler. Guys that really, really know what they're doing with that, they know, like, oh, well, it's fucking July and you're over here, so you need this exact worm.
They don't like those. They like these.
And you don't go fishing after 10 a.m. Oh, Jesus.
What are you fucking? Well, until sunset. What are you an alcoholic? Until sunset.
Then you get back out there once, you know, they're getting the flies off the top of the water at that point. So.
At 10 a.m., you're just going to drink, buddy. Yeah, you're just dicking off at 10 a.m.
here. So, yeah, they do that.
The bait box he opens where he sells live bait and fishing tackle. Great.
That's what he's doing. Lois ran a daycare center out of their home, which they had an above-ground swimming pool in the backyard.

And, you know, the kids, I guess, would swim in there and all that kind of shit.

So that's what they're doing, which I guess if you have three kids that are that close in age and that young.

It's a great idea. It's all you can do.

Start a fucking daycare.

That's tough otherwise.

Unless other people drop their kids, too.

It's already a daycare.

Yeah.

I'm sorry. Just bring strangers' kids, too.
Might as well throw them in the fucking mix. Who cares? So in 2005, they moved to Blooming Prairie.
Sure. And they move here for a specific reason.
So Dave could pursue his dream. Of? His dream.
And his dream is much like our dreams, Jimmy. We've had many long conversations where we drove from city to city to do shows.
Yeah. Your dreams, your ambitions, and things like your desires, your deepest inner desires come out.
And we all, including Dave, have a dream of opening a waxworm farm. I know that's our dream.
Hold on. Yes.
Waxworm farm. Bre Oh, those are, like, these are real worms.
Worms, yeah. They're just a type of worm, a specific type of worm that's very good for fishing.
Those are the ones that the fish really like. That's what they like.
The waxworms. That's how specific he is about it.
So he moves here to, his dream is to open a waxworm farm. That's awesome.
What year is this? 80, oh, this is 2005. Oh, okay.
wax worm farm that's awesome what year is this 80 oh this is 2005 oh okay all right that's call it i got worms i got worms i got dumb dumb and jumper joke wasn't it yeah yeah totally so it's maybe there's that or maybe i don't know you could sell them on the internet at that point yeah you could sell internet worms yeah that. That'll do it.
So their home is out in the country. A mile, it's 218.
On 218 is the road. And they say you pass six massive grain bins that sit on the edge of town.
And then go another mile and you'll find their house. Small town directions.
And their wax work farm. far you know six you know six of them make

sure you count yeah you pass five buddy you've gone too far with that you get to the edge of town which you're supposed to know what that is yeah and then there's six of those now there's a couple in town so you want to make sure the six past the edge of town and then you're okay more funny farm thing yeah Make make a left where the old Johnson barn used to be. Used to be.
OK. So Dave is known throughout the land as a swell fella.
Let's just say. Yeah.
Known as a good guy. And everybody in Blooming Prairie tells you Dave is just a cat's meow.
Waxworming some bitch. You need waxs.
You need this. They said he's quick with a tip on a fishing spot.
Oh. Good with that stuff.
He has – this isn't, by the way, just a waxworm business where he does everything himself. He has employees.
This is an operation. Absolutely.
They said that all his employees say he's very generous. He's not cheap.

He's not stingy.

He likes to tell stories, be silly and make up funny songs and laugh his ass off.

He's just a big, goofy guy.

Love him.

And he's happy.

He's fucking, he's making worms.

I mean, that's his, so he can fish with them.

That's his ambition.

He's happy.

Yeah, he's making worms fuck, for Christ's sake.

It's great. He's got kind of a big husky Minnesota frame on him.
Keep those cold winters out. So everybody said, though, you couldn't be around Dave for a long time without laughing because he was just a laugher, and his laugh would make you laugh because he's just a happy guy.
And Lois is also considered a mighty fine lady around town, a cool lady, a nice lady said around town the consensus was this is from that article lois was nice she kept a clean house she could be thought let's see whether she's gregarious funny i'll tell you what about her she keeps a clean house that one she knows how to operate a mop i'll tell you something else boy her vacuum gets a lot of use she could be thoughtful giving some friends who liked horses a set of tumblers frosted with equine figures so she's just a nice lady um there's a couple named tess and rod coaster coaster k-o-s-t-e-r they They invited Lois and Dave to their lake house along with another couple.

And they had a good time.

They said Lois had brought steaks with her for dinner.

And they got up the next morning and she's making breakfast for everybody.

So good people is what they're getting at here.

Now, February 16, 2006, they have some seriously bad luck, this family here.

A fire destroys their home.

No.

Their whole house burns to the fucking ground.

They lost everything, including their cats.

Everything.

So it sucks.

No one was hurt in the fire.

Everybody gets out except for the cats.

And the worms are in another building, though, by the way. Okay.
So those wax worms they'll melt to nothing obviously and they'll and they turn right back into a worm yeah but in a clump it's a really tough rock hard so an actual those gummy worms yeah yeah they the cause of this they decide may have been it It wasn't arson or anything like that. They thought it might have been some faulty wiring, and Dave did the wiring.
So Dave feels terrible about this. He feels like he fucking, his family is homeless because he's an idiot, and he didn't do something right.
So he feels really fucking bad. And so everyone in town felt bad for them as well so they all took up a collection for him for the family wow it's really nice a neighbor here or this is uh the executive director of the blooming prairie chamber of commerce said that's something our community does for people whether they know them or not apparently very nice people people here.
Minnesota nice. That's it right there.
So they rebuilt their house and moved back in here. It's three bedroom, two bath, and Lois.
Same lot, huh? Same lot. Yeah, they just rebuilt the same house because they have the worm farm up front there too.
Lois set up a daycare center facility there as well well so now she did that um all the parents said she was great they dropped the kids off a lot of times she'd have hot sandwich like an egg sandwich for them there to the parents not even for the kids in the morning on your way to work you drop your kid off she's like want to bake an egg and cheese on a hard roll he's like yeah i guess so fuck yeah why not you go on your merry way leave your kid i just made you twenty dollars worth of sandwich for free do you add an extra 20 at the end of the week for sandwiches or what because that's fucking awesome though truly how great is that i i don't even care what how you treat the kids i get fucking sandwiches beat them if you want i don't give a shit don't let them get in

the way of making those sandwiches let's just say that whatever you have to do keep them away from you i want sandwiches so that's obviously that'll get you some repeat customers i would say once her children now they move out they have kids of their own they become grandparents they're going to have five grandkids here

and they said Lois just

spoils those grandkids like crazy. And, you know, that's what happens.
Grandparents are like that. Lois would buy them cell phones, ATVs.
They could ride around the property. Just, yeah.
That's more than spoiling, James. That's fun.
That's a fun fucking grandma that's the greatest when they come over they have atvs to ride around and shit she's trying to make it so the grandkids want to come over and hang out at the house and she can see it that's awesome that's not giving them an ice cream when mom says no she bought him atvs she bought him a fucking ice cream truck at that point so she would do all of this she joined a women's bowling league at bunkies which is a four-lane bowling alley on main street that was a very small bowling alley it's a lot of sounds like a lot of weight on that one here that's that's rough jesus christ she would travel to tournaments around the state with a group of about three dozen women bowling tournaments oh yeah that's right man that's that's it um the chamber of commerce lady said she was fun loving she had the cutest smile meaning lois did so she's a good cook everybody knows that a couple times a week she would bring lunch over to the five guys who worked at the worm farm. She'd just come out, got lunch for you guys.
She would bring out like big hunks of lasagna and shit like that. Here you go.
Fuck yeah, that sounds great. She knows the path to friendship leads from the belly man.
Yeah, if you give me food, I am going to have a very hard time not liking you. Yeah.
Especially if it's good food. If you lead with food, especially.
That's the thing. thing if you lead with food we're going to be friends probably that's you know even if i don't like you i will eat your food i do like food i don't know many people that i've that have been in my life that brought me food that i was like that guy's a piece of shit yeah fucking fuck him in his food look at this asshole and.
Frank's food is all right with me. I don't know how much I want Minnesota lasagna, but I'm sure it's the effort that matters.
You know what I mean? Yeah. It's probably American Beauty noodles, right? Probably, yeah.
I don't think she's getting to Checo here, but that's fine. Still, it's the effort that counts.
Yeah, she did it yeah it's the effort so uh she stopped running the daycare around 2014 and she would help out with the farm kind of here and there the worm farm and do all that but the worm farm became a lucrative business they're actually they're selling mad worms here the staff made weekly deliveries to walmart quick trip, bait shops throughout the area. They're selling them to fucking Walmart.
I don't know. What's the gestation period of worms that you can move that many? That I have no idea.
They don't die fast. You've got billions, right? They don't die fast.
They last a long time, worms. They last weeks and weeks and weeks.
How fast do they make new worms? I don't know. Good question.
I mean, quick enough to make a business out of it. You've got to have billions of worms, right? That's why it's a whole farm, I think, a whole worm operation.
You can't just have one bucket there going, well, they're working on it. You know, when you buy bait, it's like a scoop of dirt and it's just got worms in it.
How many are in there? I think they pick the worms out and just put them in the dirt. Yeah, I don't think they scoop the dirt.
And they just bury themselves?

Yeah, and then they bury themselves in the dirt.

I guess that makes sense. There's usually about a dozen per scoop.
There's a guy with an ice cream scooper who's like, I don't know, it's got dirt and worms in there somewhere. Meanwhile, every time it's always 12, you're like, man, they're good.
Fuck, they're good. So in addition to the local places, they also delivered bait throughout Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa.
So they were really doing that. They also shipped boxes of wax worms.
Apparently wax worms are an excellent bait for panfish everywhere. Anywhere there's panfish, that's where wax worms are.
So they're sending them out all over the place. And winter was their biggest and busiest time, actually, because there's a really high demand for these type of worms for ice fishing, apparently.

Oh, okay.

So Dave's friend said of the farm, quote, that place was a money-making machine.

How about it?

If you said, can you make a great living off worms, I'd of course not i mean you'd probably be all right yeah but you picture like the worm guy and it's probably some like hunched over guy that goes out with a bucket in the morning and a little shovel and picks them out and no it's this is an operation this is a whole deal i didn't realize that so yeah his employees well. I guess these are young guys he hires, guys in their early 20s and that kind of thing.
And they all look up to him and they think he's a nice guy. He would give them a little extra money here and there.
Here's 20 bucks. Go put gas in your truck or something like that.
Nice guy. Take them fishing just to be camaraderie.
Got to check if these things work. Do it.
His friend Denny said he was kind to people he didn't even know. That's nice.
Now, their lifestyle, Lois and Dave, they have a fun little lifestyle. Yeah? They do.
Remember the BP Servicemen's Club? I remember that. I don't think it's a gas station.
I think it's something else because Lois and Dave often ate dinner at the Servicemen's club. I think it's like a naval thing.
It's for like ex-Navy people. He volunteered on the board there and looked after the books as well.
Okay, he's counting money. He's doing that.
He actually discovered someone was embezzling funds and stopped them from doing it and turned them in and all this shit. So Dave's a very upstanding guy.
That's the thing here. He also campaigned for the club to start selling pull tabs to raise money, which are like lottery tickets, basically.
They sure are. They're little tabs.
You pull them and match a three, you win. That's it.
He pushed it through. He's a good bowler.
He likes pool better than bowling, though. That's to shoot pool at the pizza cellar.
Oh, my pool table. This J&H Liquors is an enigma.
Or the back room of J&H Liquors. They've got one there.
This is a liquor store with a pool table in the back room, a DJ in the parking lot, and street dancing out front. This place crazy it's hopping yeah the craziest liquor store in town man is this a liquor store you can actually drink what you buy that's a bar isn't it i guess jnh liquor is what they call it a fucking liquor it's weird so he'd go there have a few beers he drank miller light okay and he'd hang out around the pool table and you know bullshit with the other pudgy fishermen i would assume I would assume.
They'd end up back at the worm farm a lot of times and they'd hang out in his office. Dave had a good stereo in there.
They'd be drinking Miller Lights, talking about fish and worms. And that shot he just hit on the pool table.
We are absolutely right to basically say whatever lifestyle fucking grumpy old men had, that's pretty much how people live. Even if they're not 75, apparently.
Because he's in his 50s at this point. He's doing this.
On Sundays, the group would gather in some other guy's house, which was basically a shed behind his house that he turned into a TV room. Turned into a little cave there.
And they'd watch the Vikings game, of course, on the big screen TV. And Lois, usually she'd send along a cake or deviled eggs or something that she'd make.
This is so folksy. This is so Midwestern.
What a great life it is, too. It's wholesome and fun.
It is. And that lady from the Chamber of Commerce said, you know, Lois seemed like a real regular gal.
She said she was funny. She was cute.
They said, quote, she was a little round, blonde hair, kind of piercing eyes. They were both fun.
Dave was really nice and witty. Lois was just bubbly.
OK, so that's that's how that's who we're dealing with here. We're dealing with a couple who are everybody seems to like.
And, you know, that like. That's how you want to be described, by the way.
A little round. A little round.
A little round. Feels very common.
So they said there's never any problems there. Cops are never called to the wax farm, the wax worm farm, or anything like that.
They said no domestic violence or no giant blowups of, shit. These two are going to kill each other out here.
Nothing like that. You know, she would she'd go out fucking bowling and he'd do his servicemen's club stuff and they would hang out and they go boating or fishing or hung out with Tess and Rod Koster or whatever.
That was their day. So 2018 comes around here.
Now, Thursday, March 8th, 2018, let's talk about. Dave's friends saw him at the old J&H Liquors, obviously, shooting some pool, having some Miller Lights on Thursday evening, March 8th, and they bullshitted and shot some pool.
And, you know, we're talking about are the Vikings going to suck next season? That's what they were talking about. And they were saying that Dave and Lois were going to go to Wisconsin to see their grandson play in a basketball tournament.
That's what the plans were. So totally nothing crazy going on here.
So that's Thursday, March 8th. Now, Monday, March 12th, after this weekend, Lois stops by the Worm Farms office.
And they said instead of usually, like she would greet the workers real warmly and how you had everything go. You have a nice weekend.
Did your kid have that thing that you're talking about? All that kind of shit. Yeah, that was the tournament.
They said instead she came in and kept her head down. And all she said is, Dave's not feeling good.
I've got to take care of him. And then they didn't see Dave or her Tuesday or Wednesday of that week.
Okay. So they know how to run the worm farm.
I guess it can run whether Dave's there or not. So then on Thursday, she came back down to the office and they're like, Hey, how's Dave? You know, Jesus, he's three days.
We haven't seen Dave. He hasn't even walked out to the worm farm.
This is crazy. He's going to have worm withdrawals here.
So she said, no, he's still sick. She goes, we have an appointment.
I'm taking him to the doctor tomorrow. Cause he just can't kick this thing.
Yeah. So they were like, that's weird.
The employees thought it was really weird that he was doing this, but they also knew that Dave had a long history of stomach troubles, different problems. So they thought maybe something coming to – Miller Lite will do that to you after a while.
Miller Lite and Minnesota lasagna will get you. That'll get you.
So they didn't want to bother him because they thought maybe he's really sick but they just like kind of left him alone they said that uh lois would sit at the desk in the office at his desk and kind of stare out the window and all that they said at one point she put her head in her hands and elbows on her knees you know like you do exhausted like you like i do at the end of every day oh god why how did i get here and why do how do i get away from it i've got so much to do and no time to do it oh god uh one of the employees said are you okay and she said yeah fine i didn't sleep good last night so yeah that's um that's kind of how that goes and this goes into the next week, the next week, Lois says that tells the guys that he's still sick, but the doctor cleared him to compete in the season opener of the Cabela's master's walleye circuit, a fishing competition. That is a big dude.
The Cabela's walleye. Oh boy.
That's a Cabela's is involved. You better bring it.
It's a big day. Yeah.
It's a big fucking day here, man. God, Jesus.
That's so funny that Minnesota really is a grumpy old man. Just the whole, that's exactly what's going on there.
So that meant he's supposed to leave that Tuesday morning. That would be March 20th, I believe.
And pick up Denny Clark. and they're going to drive five hours down to the Illinois River to compete in this fishing competition so that's what all the employees said oh they figured that that's what's going on here now he's going to his fishing tournament until the employees saw Lois drive off in the Cadillac Escalade now that is that is what Dave would take on fishing trips, would be this Escalade.

And this was two days after Dave was supposed to be away at the fishing tournament.

So, like, he didn't take his truck?

That's weird.

But they see Lois pulling away, and that's that.

So, interesting.

Now, Thursday, March 22nd, comes around. It's been almost two weeks since anybody's talked to dave yeah at all none of his employees have talked to him which is odd he has a business partner that hasn't seen or talked to him in almost two weeks as well okay they're all kind of getting together and going when's when did you talk to dave last i haven't talked to him in a while oh it's been since then oh shit.
So they all kind of get their stories together. They said he hadn't, they call him.
He doesn't pick up. He doesn't return calls.
They said they did receive responses to text messages, but they thought their responses were really weird because Dave doesn't type his text. I guarantee you he has fat fingers.
I'm not saying it in a bad way.'s got like old man thumbs probably not a big texter so they said he dictates all his messages oh voice to text which means you you all the words some of the words run together and there's no punctuation also that's what happens so they said these replies use like proper punctuation and somebody typed them like they wrote a letter like they were writing a letter yeah comma this and they're like that's not dave so they were like that's weird but maybe because he's just sick and has time to do it who knows who knows he was supposed to have left for a fishing tournament on march 20th and he was you know would have taken the escalade which is what he used to pull his 20-foot boat oh yeah but um yeah like i said saw instead Lois pulls out the Escalade and then they don't see Lois either. Huh.
So they don't know what to do. They're like, Lois is gone.
He's gone. What the fuck do we do now? Like, this is, what do we do? We need a boss.
Yeah, so that day that she takes off and they don't see her anymore, they're worried about everybody.

And so they call the police to do like a check on everybody.

Can you make sure Lois is okay and make sure Dave is like fishing and all that shit?

This is the employees that call the police.

Fascinating.

So Friday, March 23rd, 2008, the police department decide they dispatch two officers to do a little looky-loo here on Dave and see if he's all right so they drive up the house was dark they said okay they said that the wax worm farm is about 50 paces from the front door so I mean if he can't go 50 paces out there he must be really sick real sick that's really sick so they visit at night to do this the cops it's dark and cold there's snow on the ground they said no one answered the door we got to go do

a creep thing let's go do it at the creepiest time ever creepiest time yeah so just in case

anyone is there they'll see us like looking in the window fogging it up with our breath

that won't be weird or anything this is weird and creepy like it's not fog fucking come broad

daylight in the fucking first thing in the morning or anything yeah so the officers in the pitch dark in the snow and everything else they're walking around the house and they noticed a light coming from a window and they went and the bathroom window was open oh which is not normal i would say for you know when it's cold out there's snow on the ground to have your bathroom window open. Unless you're super sick and you've got to get some of that smell out, man.
Something. Either that or someone is shitting that thing up.
Yeah. If you want to sit in a 30-degree bathroom, you are really shitting it up good.
So the bathroom is above the height you can see from standing. So they boost each one of the cops boosts the other cop up which is really hilarious yeah to watch armed adults boosting each other give me a boost not not fucking nine-year-olds trying to go over a fence put your hands together and i'll step in them and then you push me up come on you can do it it's either that or he's got on his shoulders like a fucking chicken fight, which would have even been funnier.
Bend over, I'll stand on your back. Come on, do it.
So one of them looks in and he sees a blanket on the floor of the bathroom with something under it. Something that appears to be in the shape of a human.
Oh, it's a big bump. It's a big bump and a big blanket.
So they get two more deputies out here who went inside the house. They actually go inside the house, and they find Dave on the bathroom floor under this blanket.
Very dead. His stomach is really fucked up.
When you have a blanket covering your whole body just lying on the bathroom floor with the window open, you know your stomach's fucked up. sick so yeah no he is on the ground on the floor uh he'd been shot twice with a 22 handgun wow once in the chest and once in the back and none of the employees have heard gunshots none of the neighbors there's not a lot of close neighbors but no one's heard any gunshots or anything like that here.
A bullet had pierced clean through his forearm. So it's probably a defensive and then went into his chest.
So it looks like he was holding up trying to block it. And they said he has been dead for a long time.
Oh, no. They're thinking around 10 days at this point, maybe long.
He was never sick. That man was never never sick whether that or he was really sick yeah so they said his body had already it's decomposing and bloating and i mean it's even with the window open it's still you know it's not that cold in there so they're looking around trying to find lois it's saying oh my god maybe she's going to be in room.
We're going to find her fucking dead covered up somewhere too. So they're looking for her and they don't know where she is.
They can't find her. The Cadillac's gone.
She's gone. Everybody's gone.
By the way, one of Dave's friends, Jerry, said he was my best buddy. Every day I go by their house and I wonder what the hell happened up there.
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I would say so. So they had to find Lois to find out what happened.
So basically all they know about Lois is they find out from her friends that she is known to frequent casinos. Oh.
So they said, we're looking for this lady. She might be in trouble.
She might be kidnapped. She might be in peril or she might be a criminal.
Either way, she's a person of interest that we'd like to talk to. So if you're in a casino and you see this lady, give us a shout.
I there's a cute, smiled, round lady in the casino. That's looking for her.
It warned that she might be armed as well because we do know she owns a gun. Her father had given her as a collector's item his Colt Woodsman 22.
So we know she has a 22 handgun as well. So, yeah.
Now the officer assigned to this had discovered here, he looks into this whole thing where's Lois because, you know, first thing you look for if you're looking for someone is their banking activity. That's a good idea.
Phone and banking activity in 2018. That's what you're looking for.
You should be able to track anybody through that. Both of those ought to do it.
Nobody keeps enough cash to not have to use a card, and nobody fucking doesn't use their phone. So they found out that in the previous week, Lois had deposited two business checks that were missing from the worm farm, one for $8,684.80.
It's a lot of worms. And the other for $1,209.60 into her husband's personal checking account at Citizen State Bank in Glenville, which is a half hour drive away.
So she did that. She had then cashed three checks drawn on his account for $2,500, $7,500, and $1,000.
11 grand. 11 grand.
On March 23rd, the last of those came out. Yeah.
So judging by that, basically, because she did that through the business, and she's not on the business, this is not her business, they put out a warrant to arrest her for felony theft. Fraud, yeah.
Fraud. So they can at least, now they can find her and bring her in because now there's a warrant.
It's not just a bolo. So that's different.
A warrant, people are really looking for it. And it's in the computer.
You'll punch it up and it'll be there. So they're, and also a U.S.
marshal assisting with the investigation said all signs meaning of the murder pointed immediately to her, obviously but they didn't understand why this would happen this is over 11 grand this doesn't make much sense at all so they're really trying to figure this out because they're like this it just doesn't add up exactly much like his checking account this is not adding up so they said that's what everyone in town was talking about it's all anybody was talking about was they said the forensics class in blooming prairie high school discussed the case for several weeks which i mean if you're a forensics class that makes sense not bad i wish we had a forensics doing that i wish we had a forensics class in high school i never had that that would have been fucking awesome and taking real cases and being like solve this shit 11th grader or just looking over them that's fucking cool as shit yeah i would have loved that shit man i would have really they would have given me a path yeah at least given me an idea of something to do yeah hey i'm interested in murder i guess yeah so i just learned i like this they look around they said okay there's got to be an affair happening here either she's having an affair running away to it or he was having an affair she's had enough she's had it yeah nobody's having any affairs they look into it 11 grand is not forever money what the fuck is going on and neither of them are having any affairs there's never been any domestic abuse there's never been any strife trouble there's no reason as that, this makes no sense of why she would do this. They said that it's just weird.
So one, they think that this might be because she's a gambling addict. That's all they could think, but because that's all they could really find is she is a big gambler.
Outside of that, there's really nothing to her. There's no vices.
There's nothing secret. One of the cops said, this was a new one for me.
It was hard for me to wrap my head around someone committing a murder just to feed a gambling addiction. So he's like, I didn't know if I was buying that because that seems odd.
Very weird. And one of the other U.S.
Marshals says, she's not the common murderer. She doesn't portray that image.
People just don't think of a grandmother being a cold-blooded murderer. You hope not, anyway.
And the number is just so small. It's very small for anything like that.
For murder? The other thing is, she doesn't, this is the odd part, is usually gamblers, there's gambler profiles, basically. There's only a few different types of gamblers.
Oh? Yeah, your brain brain much like a drug or a food or something like that your brain reacts a certain way and there's only a few different kind of ways your brain really reacts to gambling and the people who get addicted to it and get really into it it affects them in one of a few ways basically they said there are basically two categories and there are little bits you know little off of this, little estuaries probably that lead to other things. But the two basic categories that encompass 98% of the gamblers are thrill seekers.
Yeah. That's usually men that play skill-based games with high stakes.
Think about Texas Hold'em. Yeah.
Texas Hold'em or the guys doing high-level fantasy fantasy shit too. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cause gambling most of the time it doesn't involve sports cause they're usually not good at it. But most of your gamblers, it's other people playing sports, not them.
Right. Right.
So, but like a gambler like that, it's a thrill seeker. That's what Jordan is.
Exactly. But this is like, you know, skill based games with high stakes stakes they want to win big and also escape artists are the other type of person these are people trying to escape life oh does the ruling helps them escape the boring monotony it gets them out of everything they say these are often people who play slot machines but they don't even play them to hit a jackpot they said's not what they're there for.
It's to enter a trance state that makes them disconnect from the world. Just pull the knob.
Just pull the lever. Just pull the knob.
You just concentrate. Cherry, seven, fucking gold coin.
Pull again. Cherry, cherry, gold coin.
Fuck. Pull again.
That's it. And after a while, your whole shit becomes that.
And you forget about what your troubles are.

Holy shit.

So that's what they do. They said women with gambling habits are more likely to fall into the second category, the escape bars.
They're not usually that there are some, but they're not usually, you know, 95% of the thrill seeker gamblers are men. That's just how it is.
A 2005 article about female gambling published in the International Journal of Mental Health and Addiction said that electronic slot machines like alcohol and drugs can be used for mood management. Wow.
Yep. It's just it'll regulate you.
They said many women with gambling problems are seeking a way to numb emotions, shut out the world and orchestrate a timeout.

Just basically this is I'm here now and you can't get me type of thing.

They said in the article, as the gambling problem progresses, many women become more and more isolated as well.

And this exacerbates feelings of loneliness and shame and guilt that they have from gambling in the first place. Okay.
So it's just a big snowball that goes down a hill and at the bottom of it. It has nothing to do with winning.
Nothing to do with winning for them. For men, it has everything to do with winning.
The stakes, the high stakes are big, but only because that gives them more adrenaline. It has nothing to do with the actual money.
Yeah. It's not like I'm going to do that so I can buy that fucking condo for my mom down in Boca Raton.
Yeah. That's not what they're doing.
They just want to win. They want the feeling of the win.
That's why if they win $100,000, they just don't go awesome and leave. They're like, if winning $100,000 feels like this, what's winning $100,000 feel like? I got to find out.
And they do that. That's why I'm not a gambler.
Because I'd go $100,000. I'd go, $100,000? And I'd be gone.
You'd never see me again. I'd never gamble again.
No, that's because we're not gamblers. We don't have that thing.
Yeah. We don't have that thing.
And during the investigation, they figure out that Lois has withdrawn from friends and family in the last couple months.

So they're thinking this might be part.

And this is all just a theory they have at this point because they don't have Lois.

They don't know where she is.

So they have to talk to people and try to put together a psychological profile of her, essentially.

And they think because she has been withdrawing, maybe that's because she's been gambling more and more. And maybe that could have caused this.
Who knows? That's what they're trying to figure out. So one of the family members said, I don't know if it was a condition of her addiction, but she'd cut ties with a lot of people, family and friends.
A lot of people we talked to said, yeah, I know Lois, but I haven't talked to her in a while while that was the general consensus okay now there's a place they go and i'll show you a picture of it in a little while called diamond joe casino and diamond joe joe and it does not look like a casino i believe

it yeah it looks like a it looks like like a rural gas station without the gas that's what

it looks like we drive by one of those in oklahoma oh yeah. Oh, God.
No, it was in. Yeah, it was.
It was on the way from Kansas City to Oklahoma City. And we were like, that's a casino.
But imagine that put shitty looking, too, but run down. Really? Yeah, it's not good, the Diamond Joe Casino.
Dave occasionally went with Lois to the Diamond Joe, but he's not a real big gambler. That's not his thing.
It's her thing. So they said that it had been a problem.
Lois, they found out, had built several worm farm employees out of some money. How much can you make on the worm farm to be built out of money? That's terrible.
And why?

Well, apparently she was getting, quote, donations from them to everybody pitch in to get a golf cart for Dave so he could shuttle around the property and go back and forth from the business to the house and all that shit. So a lot of the employees pitched in for this, and then she never bought it.

So nothing.

She just got a bunch of money and gambled it away. was it that was her way of scamming money um one family member suspected that she went to the casino with money designated for the interment of her father's remains okay there's gambling problems and then there there's taking the funeral money and gambling at gambling problems.
That is wild. Is it a place to put ashes or was it an actual grave? No, it's ashes.
Oh, boy. There was supposed to be a thing.
So his ashes had sat in her house for many months after his death because she was supposed to do something else with it. Instead, she's sitting there with the poor guy's fucking ashes in a bag.
And she gambled away the money she was supposed to do something else with it instead she's sitting there with the guys poor guys fucking ashes in a bag and she gambled away the money she was supposed to use this was in 2014 so this was four years earlier uh her son braden says that and this is insane after her father died she got a half a million dollar inheritance from her, from the father. She gambled it all away.
No.

Gambled away. she got a half a million dollar inheritance from her from the father she gambled it all away no gambled away a half million dollar inheritance this guy saved up this money his whole life his whole life gave it to her and she pissed it away and she got rid of nothing like nothing uh the son braden said it was all secrecy gambling's a terrible thing where it can suck people in and destroy lives yeah gambling's worse than drugs it's worse than drugs it is it ruins lives so much worse yes to me it's like this carnivorous fucking like a carnivorous worm that because i want to talk about worms here carnivorous worm that can just get in and eat everything it's like a locust it's it might be worse because you don't see when somebody's that's the thing you know what i mean you can see when somebody's fucked up on drugs on drugs you can see it you can see it they get they go to work and go jesus christ dave you have a problem man you can't get it i don't know why it's dave but you can't show up smelling like this and doing all gambling where have you been until you see who they've been stealing from or whatever you don't see that it's a problem and if you have half a million dollars it's not a problem you're not yeah that's legal for you to piss your own money away that's the other problem there's nothing illegal or immoral about it even it's more of a disease and an awful disease because when you have a half a million dollars you don't have to gamble anymore and then you make you made that disappear gamble how why trance like state god it's not about the big win and it's it's crazy i don't get it at all i really don't but that's just me but to me yeah gambling is uh and i don't care if you know it's legal people you want to piss your money away, go ahead.
I don't fucking care. There's tons of shit to piss your money away on.
You can buy a bunch of cars that you can't afford. You can buy a bunch of whatever you can't afford.
So that's not my fucking place to tell you where to use your money. But it's even worse now because it's right on your phone.
You can just pick up. You don't even have to go anywhere.
You can do it from your couch watching whatever the fuck you're gambling on. Dude, there's people that, like I read this book about draft kings and all that kind of shit.
Dude, there's people that lose everything over this shit. Everything.
Every fucking thing. They are obsessed with it.
And it can't be stopped. It's right on their phone.
So it's, you know, all times of day. And it's crazy, dude.
i hate it so much they found some other shit here they found out that her oldest sister kim lois's oldest sister kim in october 2010 kim's marriage was falling apart and she had a fucking mental breakdown just boom so lois and dave let kim live with them before they ended up. Her breakdown was so bad they had to place her in adult foster care.
What is that? I've never heard of that before. Apparently that's like a.
Isn't that rehab? Like a halfway house for mental illness or something. I don't know.
I can't deal with her. You guys take her? It's not a hospital, but it's like adult foster.
I've never heard of that before. So in February 2012, claiming that her sister was unable to perform tasks for daily living or make decisions regarding her medical needs, Lois applied to be Kim's legal guardian and conservator.
That's how bad she took that breakup, breakup, Kim. Wow.
So she said that she applies

for that. According to the forms that she filled out, her sister suffered from bipolar disorder,

as well as clinical depression and had the cognitive capacity of a 10 year old. I don't

know if she always had the cognitive capacity of a 10 year old or just this mental breakdown

caused this. I'm not sure what the hell was going on there? So there's required annual filings, I guess, if you're someone's conservator like that.
So Lois reported that her sister's emotional, mental, and physical states had deteriorated. And she noted on the forums that Kim had schizophrenia and Parkinson's disease.
And she got this from a breakup? Wow. I don't think you can get Parkinson's from a breakup.
Maybe all the mental stuff. I don't think that happens.
Please don't break up with me. I don't want to shake for the rest of my life.
Really? That would be weird. So she also declared that Kim had obsessive compulsive disorder that caused her to go on shopping sprees and spend lavishly.
All right. So they gave Lois control of Kim's finances then because of this.
Oh, boy. This included a $200,000 inheritance from their father.
Oh, no. Lois withdrew thousands of dollars at a time from an ATM at the Diamond Joe Casino.
What'd she do with it, James? God damn it. She gambled it.
A court audit dated September 15, 2015, showed that Lois's fiduciary shit was insane. All this bullshit included a payment of $14,070 on an alleged debt to their already deceased father.
She said that she paid $14,000 out of it as a debt paid back the father who's been dead for three years. Yeah.
Three years. supposed gifts to Lois's three children totaling $15,000

and almost $8,500 in reimbursement for undocumented expenses purportedly paid by Lois. So Kim has a social worker advocate that requested suspension of Lois's role as guardian and conservator.
Lois tried to explain it all away, but the court said, nuh-uh, no, no. I'm just paying bills.
You don't understand. Guardianship was suspended, and four months later she was discharged as the guardian, and Kim remained under state's care, like to this day, from what I understand.
Oh, my God. That divorce broke her fucking brain.
That's sad. It broke everything.
Broke everything. The account the steel county attorney's office decided not to press criminal charges against lois because a judge ordered her to repay 100 534 dollars to kimp so they said all right that's fine they got reimbursement and retribution whatever so that's i mean just adding all these dollars up james that's so much money that she gave to Diamond Joe.
So much. Diamond Joe is collecting.
And, dude, you could build five Diamond Joes for $100,000. This place is a dump.
It looks like a one-room fucking dump. It looks like a shithole.
So now Lois's attorney from this time said that, quote, Lois is a really pleasant person to be around. She's friendly, caring, warm.
She said she really liked her. Now, she's got some other issues, Lois, here.
Lois has her own bout of depression. In 2016, two years before Dave was found dead, Lois just went missing at one point.
Oh? This was right after the theft from her sister was exposed here.

Dave came home from lunch at Dairy Queen with a co-worker.

Very good choice.

Dave, those cheeseburgers are excellent.

I think it's because the pickles are a little thicker.

I think it's something about those pickles being a drop thicker and not so thin and shitty that makes them delicious.

I don't know if it's that the fucking cheese,, the butter sauce. They don't put mayo on it?

Obviously not.

There's a lot of things that they do that just, they do the right things.

It's a good little cheeseburger.

Crisp lettuce, big thick tomato too.

It's just a good goddamn burger.

It's a goddamn good burger.

So he asked the coworker who he went to have Dairy Queen with to drop him off at the house

instead of the worm farm so he could use the bathroom.

I mean, the Dairy Queen went through him. It will go through you.
That is one thing. It is delicious.
It does move, yeah. By the time you get from the Dairy Queen to your house, you're going to need to make a pit stop.
It's like a large coffee in a burger form. That's what it is.
So he walked in the house to go take a dump. Now this is the thing.
I've got to use the bathroom quick. I'm sure there's a bathroom in the worm farm that meant he's gonna drop a deuce right that means this is gonna be a sticky deuce he comes in with a with a hot double burger deuce cooking in his fucking in his belly here he's got a real ice cream sundae brewing in there there's a there's a blizzard going on and he walks inside and finds lois unconscious in a chair oh my god yeah she overdosed on pills that's the thing jesus do you call 9-1-1 as you're shitting what do you do you're like you gotta come here oh god and they're like are you okay sir yeah no i'm fine i just had she's the main problem.
Is she breathing? Christ, I hope not through her nose. Jesus, I don't know, man.
Thank fuck we always keep this bathroom window open. So she had overdosed on pain pills on purpose, clearly.
He calls 911. First responders come.
They do CPR. She's helicopter airlifted to the saint mary's hospital in rochester oh yeah after almost two weeks she recovered she was in the hospital clinic for two weeks um she just kind of laid low in blooming prairie for a while and um basically then started going out acting like nothing happened everybody else ignored it because it is small town america no one they'll talk your back, but no one's going to be like, so I heard you're all fucked up.
They'll just pretend everything's fine. I heard you tried to commit suicide.
$110,000 is a lot of money. That's a lot of money there, Chickie.
So, yeah, and Dave tried to protect her from the gossip and all that kind of thing here. He would just make passing comments saying, you know, she's doing better and, you know, trying to help out with the gambling and all that kind of thing here.
He would just make passing comments. Saying, you know, she's doing better and, you know, trying to help out with the gambling and all that kind of thing here.
He said later on, though, about this day that he found her unconscious, Dave said, quote, that was one of the biggest mistakes of my life going up to the house that day. Yeah.
Whoa, Dave. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was finding her unconscious and saving her he said that to a friend of his wow I mean that does he said it's just damn it it would have life would be easier if that would happen so that's some really really dark shit to say out loud it is if somebody would have just cooked this burger to proper temperature, I'd be one widowed son of a gun.
Man. So the cops obviously think that she has something to do with the death here at this point, clearly.
And they're looking. There's a U.S.
Marshals North Star Fugitive Task Force based in Minneapolis, which sounds really official. It's like the Texas Rangers, right? The North Star Fugitive Task Force.
We find everything like the North Star. Minnesota, Texas Rangers.
Oh, shit. So they heard speculation that Lois was siphoning money from the worm farm and that Dave was aware of the gambling habit.
They said maybe Dave caught her doing this and, you know, something like squandering all his money and he confronted her and maybe that's what happened. And one of the cops said after that, the husband said, I'm done.
I'm cutting you off. If you want more money, you can work for me in the business, but I'm not giving you any more.
Maybe she got pissed off and whatever um like i said going around town it was difficult because everyone in blooming prairie just said oh yeah they're a nice couple they're great yeah they show up down at the bowling alley and all that kind of thing here and you know and people who knew things about lois's past like the theft from her sister and the attempted suicide and all that they just wouldn't say shit these people none of my business they'd say just i don't know they seem nice to me it's interesting um one person scott carlson who's one of dave's real close friends said lois was likable but you always knew she was a click off she did some oddball shit which means i think i would like scott because of the way he said that he said she did some oddball shit that which means I think I would like Scott because of the way he said that. He said oddball shit? She did some oddball shit.
That's his quote to the newspaper, which means I like this guy. I don't care what you're writing for.
She did some oddball shit, and that's how I'm going to put it. You can write that if you want.
Yeah, go ahead and put that in there. I don't give a shit.
Write it in Charlie Brown spellings. I.
But don't care. So apparently they talked about in July of 2016 she had disappeared for three days.
This is another time. So Dave discovered some new debts she had incurred and was so concerned that he reported her missing to the sheriff's office.
And when Lois returned, she said she'd been visiting a girlfriendneapolis and acted like it was no big deal like normal people just disappear for three days it's okay it's fine i can't imagine if i disappeared for three days and just came home sarah would be like where the fuck have you been what is wrong with you it's okay i was visiting a friend i'd be like i just went oh yeah i got a guy friend down in jersey i've been visiting and up in albany Yeah, just went, it's about an hour and a half away saying, yeah, I just went up there and yeah, what's the big deal? It's a problem. I was in Newark.
I don't get it. So, media outlets along, across the world are really enjoying this story because, yeah, because it's juicy.
It's juicy as shit. They nickname her because all of these, all these publications and different sites have to give her a different nickname.
So she's either Killer Grandma, Gamblin' Granny, or my personal favorite, Losing Streak Lois. That is awesome.
The name of this episode has to be Losing Streak Lois because that's fucking awesome. That's a great one.
Who the hell wrote that one? I don't know, but hats off to you, ma'am or sir, because that's fucking awesome. Good.
That's the best one by far. Granny.
Who cares about granny and grandma? Losing Streak Lois sounds great. Who cares how old she is and the alliteration you can do there? Losing Streak Lo that's everything all wrapped up into one i fucking love it uh yeah so they said that uh you know dave everybody's very sad about dave one of his friends who goes duck hunting and fishing with him said that you know this is the whole town is stunned and no one wants to say anything about lois because they nobody talks shit here because it's minnesota even though they even if they think she killed your friend they're like i don't want to say anything about her but let's just say that to their better half in bed when nobody can hear it while they're reading books yeah let's just say that i don't have anything nice to say about her so i'm not going to say anything at all that's the worst you're going to get out somebody.
One guy said it's been traumatic. I never saw any trouble with his wife.
I just don't understand it. Maybe he just wanted to see the best in her.
Maybe there was something wrong and he didn't see it. He said there was just no sign something like this could happen.
It's devastating. Where the fuck was Lois when she took off? Where'd she go? Well, on Friday, March 23rd, while they were finding Dave in a bathroom, shot twice, Lois was at the old Diamond Joe.
Right down the road? Right down the road. Check this.
That's a 45-minute drive from Blooming Prairie. Down the road? This is the Diamond Joe Casino, Jimmy.
Holy fuck. That is the Diamond Joe.
Yeah. Dude, this is the front joe yeah dude it's it's in a that's this is the front and then it's a rusty corrugated steel warehouse building literally they turned into a it's a farm it's a farm it used to be for like you know storing wheat and now it's fucking a casino that's what's happening there and piss away your inheritance.
And your sisters. And drive her even more mad.
All your husband's worm money down the tubes here. So she went there all the time.
It's a farm-themed casino just across the Iowa border. It's a defunct farm.
It's a fucking defunct farm. Don't act like you built this from scratch to look like an old farm.
This just a building that you could put fucking slot machines and it's about a 40 it's like saying this is a kfc and it clearly used to be a wendy's i was gonna say it still has the atrium out front yeah all those wendy's kf it is. No, that's just an old one.

So she's there.

She liked to play the slot machines in the high roller room, which are like $5 and $1 slots.

That's the high roller.

Keeps you away from the penny riffraff, I think, is what's going on there. Keeps you away from the ones that are waiting on that bucket to fill.

When they hit it big on the nickels.

Oh, here it comes. Here it comes.
I'm winning'm winning all these nickels and then you got to do math well 20 of them equals a dollar so this isn't a lot of nickels i guess it's not a lot of money at all i won 500 nickels great so at 6 30 p.m she bought a pre-made packaged sandwich from the come-and-go gas station next door. Gross.
Disgusting. Jesus Christ.
Video surveillance shows her 5'5", 165 pounds, dressed in white slacks, black and white striped cardigan, unbuttoned over a purple T-shirt. Her hair was like Ric Flair bleached to the point of being white like boom don't have to chew it sandwich those things are so wet those are so i've eaten exactly one of them and threw it disgusting the rest of it away that's why do this that meat that all that even the like you bite it and it all feels like it has skin on it yeah it just mushes puncture skin this is gross yeah nasty so she as she's buying the sandwich she said say if you want to start heading south would you just take the 35 south to keep going down to the next state is that the way is that the way to go you think and the guy said i think so i work at a fucking gas station i don't go anywhere

i make 750 an hour where do you think i'm going here is where i go yeah i live at the diamond show so they don't even know it i shovel hay for them in the morning um she said i think so she said okay well thank you and uh yeah she was going and wow uh so the all of the criminal the dodge county sheriff's office minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension iowa division of criminal investigation they all arrive at the diamond joe the next day because they tracked lois's cell phone there yeah but she gone by then, obviously. So now her children are freaking out.

Dad's dead.

Mom's disappeared.

These are all, what do you tell the grandkids?

Oh, I know we're supposed to go to grandma's and ride the ATVs, but one's dead and one's missing.

We got a lot of shit going on here.

And we don't even know if they're still there.

She may have sold them by now.

Totally.

And they have no idea where Lois is.

One of her sons told a cop that she hadn't even opened the Snapchats he sent her. Which she shouldn't be opening Snapchats at her age anyway, but still.
She shouldn't even know what that is. She'd go, what's that, dear? I don't know.
That's it. I know she's only in her 50s then, but still.
55 in 2018. 57 in 2018 is too old for Snapchat, period.
For sure. Because 37 in 2018 was too fucking old for Snapchat.
A hundred percent. April 2nd, 2018.
So that was March 23rd. Wow.
We're talking 10 days later here.

This is Fort Myers Beach, Florida.

Okay.

Yes.

Tess Koster.

Remember Tess Koster?

Their friends.

Yeah.

The couple's party at the cabin.

Yeah, absolutely.

Where the stakes were going.

Well, Tess is down there, and she comes down here also.

She's got different places. They live in Minnesota and Florida Florida she's got a place down here in Fort Myers Beach and Tess was cleaning the garage of one of the five rental units that her and her husband owned on Fort Myers Beach where they wintered and they they take their winter seriously it's April 2nd they're still there well Minnesota is not thawed no no no not at all but I mean honestly if you're going for when it's cold 2nd.
They're still there. Well, Minnesota's not thawed.

No, no, no.

Not at all.

But I mean, honestly, if you're going for when it's cold in Minnesota, what do you go from, like, October to June? How fucking, how long are you there? That's a seven-month wintering. It's like an eight-month fucking winter.
So the rest of the year, they owned a car dealership in Blooming Prairie. Wow.
This day, though, their daughter, Brianna, contacted them to say that a woman had called the dealership and said that she was a friend of hers and she was going to be down in Fort Myers Beach and knew that they were down there, too, and wanted to meet up with you. So she said that she gave her the address there.
now um she ends up, by the way, Lois is the woman looking for them. Lois bought a cheap cell phone under the name Stormy Liberty.
Nice. That is her alias, Stormy Liberty, okay, which is really funny because in 2018, anybody themselves stormy anything would have had plenty jokes of to come of you you know we're a porn star terrific yeah yeah so she ends up finding the uh address there it's in a development where they own a bunch of condos and this is 880 third street and lois goes and goes and finds there and the costers were always inviting people to visit them down there so they didn't mind at all.
Yeah, a bunch of... Earlier here, they had sat next to Dave and Lois at a wedding and said, yeah, you should come down to Florida sometime.
Stay with us down there. So this is about 1.45 p.m.
on April 2nd and Tess sees a woman with a white ponytail at the end of the driveway, checking a notebook in her hand and then looking at the house number. So Tess takes a step toward her thinking it's some lady there to inquire about one of the rentals.
She says, can I help you? And the woman looked up and Tess goes, Oh, it's Lois. Yeah.
I know Lois. You know what I mean? So Lois seemed to recognize Tess as well.
And then she ducked her head down and muttered wrong house and power walked away. Okay.
So Tess watches this crazy woman walk down the street, climb into a white Escalade and drive away. She's like, there's Lois getting into Lois's car with Minnesota license plates and everything.
Driving off being all Lois. Well, yeah.
What the fuck, man? So she and Rod called 911 because they knew that she was being looked for. Oh, that's great.
So after an hour and a half, two deputies showed up from the Lee County Sheriff's Office,

and they knew that Lois was wanted on felony theft charges and also for questioning with Dave's death.

But they figured that maybe probably that Tess saw her.

They said that probably spooked her out of here.

She's probably long gone by now.

Long gone.

So, yeah, they said no problem.

They said they provided a couple extra patrols in the neighborhood. They said we'll send a car by every once in a while but they're not going to stake out anything or do anything crazy.
They said she probably left from here and took the fucking bridge right over to the mainland and it's just gone. Out of here.
So by the way, one of the kids said the police down there did a horrible job

because that really is a horrible job they went i'm sure she's gone by now right yeah yeah well it's the beach it's a real laid-back environment i think the cops have the beach attitude too that's all they're like yeah she's gone now right really gone she's probably gone i don't know i'm gonna go do some oyster shooters so

the bunch of girls from Bama

yeah

jeez probably gone i don't know i'm gonna go do some oyster shooters so the bunch of girls from bama yeah jesus so with some bama fucking sorority members so uh april 3rd 2018 the next day fort myers beach um a woman named pam hutcheson arrives now pam hutchinson um arrives in fort Myers Beach. This is on Est, Pam Hutchinson arrives in Fort Myers Beach.

This is on Estero Island, I guess, Fort Myers Beach down there.

There's a little island down there in the Gulf of Mexico, April 3rd, 2018.

She is there with her longtime friend, Donna Fetro, whose husband recently committed suicide.

Jesus.

So what makes you feel better?

Florida. Let's go to the island.
Wow. Five o'clock always.
Wow. So this Donna planned to spread his ashes on an island nearby.
Uh-huh. So now the woman who's with the dead husband, she stayed with her family on Sanibel, which is that island that they're going to dump the ashes on.
And Pam Hutchinson checked into Condo 404 at the Marina Village at Snug Harbor, which is a timeshare complex. She's staying alone.
Now, she is 59 years old, very similar physically to Lois. Very similar.
Blonde hair, big smile Big smile. Outgoing.
A little roundish. It's literally, they're very similar physical descriptions.
Like, if you were going to describe one, you'd describe her, and they'd go, is that Lois or Pam? Or Lois or fucking, yeah, Pam, who are you talking about? So now, Pam Hutchinson is, they said, on the verge of change, if this article called it. She just got out of a 20-year marriage, just got a divorce.
Yeah, she was living in North Carolina here in Columbus, North Carolina, which is a small town of about 1,000 people. Not much.
She's known for being very outgoing. She is a car salesman.
That's what she does. Salesperson.
She was the top-ranked car salesperson in Virginia Beach. Wow.
So she's killing it here. That is where she made a life with her old husband, James Hutchinson, and they went boating, and they would go out marlin fishing all the time.
They had quite the life together. But they said, her ex-husband said, though, after the divorce, she just wanted to get out of here.
Small little country town, that's where she's from. Of course, she had no desire to go back there, so she went to Florida instead.
She'd been trying to buy her own place in Bradenton at the Riverview condos overlooking the Manatee River, which is a short walk from where she worked catering at an upscale restaurant on called Pier 22. So her friends or her ex-husband said the dust had settled in her life from the divorce and she had finally found a place that was going to be hers.
now they said everything was really coming together for her and that's what her friend says so she there's a lot of pictures of her down there and she's uh you know looking happy she's uh hanging out at one time she was down there at the sarasota christmas boat parade and uh you know saint patrick's day at an irish pub and you know just having a good time doing real florida shit she loved to fish for marlin stay out late and vacation in mexico okay she's like hunter s thompson or something this lady she sounds like she's fucking sounds cool she likes all the cool shit she likes cool shit yeah she's a partier she'd been a she's been successful and now she wants to party a little bit here her friend said she's real easy to talk to real you know friendly person her one friend said she's one of these people that she was too friendly for her own good trusted everybody oh she meets somebody for five minutes if they seem nice then they must be a wonderful person and that's her best friend and she trusts them and that's not good for everybody, I would say here. So Hutchinson here, Pam, she gravitated to Florida and she liked this kind of old-timey Florida shit there.
She liked this bar called Old Florida. Atmosphere and bar, kind of atmosphere there she liked.
And she made friends made friends with somebody sitting on a stool. I guess he asked her to move one stool over so he could sit with his friend, this guy that she met.
And they started talking, and she was a very nice lady. He said she wanted to know about everything around it, where the nice places were to go, where to eat, where to dance.
And so this guy said he told her where they had good live music and all that kind of thing. And after a while, they had mutual friends and all that kind of thing.
And before long, she was joining in on pontoon boat rides. Wow.
So she's very friendly. She had rented for a year in one of Bradenton's gated communities, but her ultimate goal was to own a condo.
That's what she was trying to do here. She spent part of 2018 vacationing in Mexico, and she sublet a room to somebody else in Florida while she did that.
And she makes all sorts of friends. Talking her way onto boats.
Fuck yeah. Talking her way onto boats.
The woman she sublet a room to here in Florida said, we got along like mother and daughter she called me mommy mom and i called her girly girl how old is this fucking lady because she's 60 so how old are you 90 fucking two yeah you're sick you're 60 no one's mommy mom at this point yeah even your mom is not mommy it's just that's weird hey linda yeah hey listen when i start collecting social security you're linda that's how it works now we're doing the same exact shit we are um so they said we we jabbered and talked away half the night they said hutchinson uh made for her her famous corn chowder and introduced her to all of her friends. She said, we joked and laughed and had fun and we got to know each other so well in such a short period of time.
So I guess this person that she rented a place to had had a timeshare down there for a long time and all that kind of shit. So Hutchinson arrived this time on April 3rd, posted on Facebook about the amazing time she was having on the beach, listening to music at Nervous Nellies from her room.
I guess that's a bar. Watching the sun sets and joking she'd be returning to Bradenton on one of those fancy yachts docked next to her condo.
She traveled to Fort Myers Beach. She found a condo in Bradenton she wanted to buy too.
And on Tuesday evening, she had dinner on Sanibel with her friend with the dead husband and watched the sunset. On Wednesday, the dead husband's wife there made a short drive to Fort Myers Beach and they had lunch outside at a restaurant.
And that evening, Hutchinson passed on an offer to join her friend for dinner on the other island. She said, I'm going to stay here.
You're going to be over there spreading ashes and shit. That sounds depressing.
Yeah. I don't want to cry tonight.
I'm good on that. So while she stays here on Fort Myers Beach, she meets another lady.

Pam does.

She meets another middle aged lady that looks very similar to her.

Yeah.

And it's Lois is who she meets.

They meet at they went to the smoking oyster brewery to get some food together.

She really is just going to all of them.

Yep.

And Lois tells Pam that she's recently widowed, which technically is true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They spent about three hours drinking together.

Wow. And a security camera films them walking toward Pam's condo after that.

She apparently, Lois stays with her at the condo that night.

Oh.

She offers, if you need a place to crash, come to my house. That's how nice she is.
She meets a person in a bar, has a couple of drinks with them, and offers for them just to crash out at her house. Come to my house.
I mean, she goes and gets on people's boats, so same thing. That's what I mean.
I mean, to invite someone to your house after drinking for non-sexual purposes is very trusting.

Really trusting.

So Pam had intended to leave on April 5th. That's a Thursday,

but decided to stay another night that evening.

She ate an early dinner with her new friend here.

That's the night where she ate at the smoking oyster.

So she was supposed to leave and stayed,

hangs out with Lois.

They have dinner at the smoking oyster and, you know, they're leaving their show. I'm sitting at the bar.
Hutchinson is in a pink camo baseball cap and a white blouse. And Lois is wearing a blue t-shirt and cream colored slacks.
So they're very friendly though. And no one is, no one's surprised at that at all.
One of her friends said she, friend said met a lady and that they were she said she was they were going to go out to eat that night and that the lady was single too and that's really all she said about her that's it so i met some other single lady we're going to go out and party so i'm not going to go listen depressy over here you're going to go spread your husband's ashes i'm going to go hang out with another single lady someone who's been single a little longer you know they're not quite as depressed too and she not not one tear just a lot of margaritas that's it jesus so at 7 30 not one tear at 7 37 p.m hutchinson paid for a long island iced tea a watermelon margarita a sweet Mary, and a Bahama Mama. God damn.
Wow. That is a variety of all shit that gives you a headache.
Vodka, tequila, rum. She's going nuts.
But outside the Bloody Mary, all of those are headache, like asking for a headache. Long Island iced tea is all sugar.
It's all headache. And all booze.
All booze and all sugar. Watermelon margarita sounds like a headache waiting to happen to watermelon.
A lot of sweet. A Bahama Mama sounds like 4,000% fucking sugar with rum.
A Bloody Mary is the only one. That's what you'd have after all that shit to try to feel better.
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She's living. No shit.
Hutchinson is living. That night, her friend, the ash spreader, texted Pam from the beach where her family was spreading her husband's ashes but got no reply.
She said she didn't think much of it at the time. She said she knows her friend goes out and she might have had a couple of drinks and she's having fun.
She's looking for fun. This isn't fun.
This isn't fun. Come talk to me while I do some depressing shit.
So Hutchinson's realtor in Brayden, Julie Keene, sent her an application required by the homeowners association for the condo she was set to purchase as well. They traded text messages, but then this real estate lady didn't hear anything back from Hutchinson after about 7 p.m.
And the client, she said, you know, she didn't return her texts over the weekend either. So she thought Pam was having buyer's remorse and changed her mind.
Basically, that's what she thought. So Friday, April 6th here, um, this is at 8 30 AM.
So this is the day after the smoke and oysters at 8 30 AM. Lori Russell, who's the manager at the Marina village where she's staying the timeshare received a call at the front desk from condo four Oh.
Okay. She says, the caller says, oh, my gosh, I slept until 4 p.m.
yesterday, and then I went out and met some great people, and I'm going to go boating today. And she said, is there any way I could stay for the weekend? And the lady agreed to work it out so she could stay for another few days, and they just put it on her credit card that she already paid for it with.

So that's no problem.

Shortly after 11 a.m. that same day, a woman walked up to the Wells Fargo Bank in Fort Myers Beach wearing a white fedora with a black ribbon around the rim there.
she withdrew $5,000 from Hutchinson's account,

making small talk with the seller,

saying she was staying in a nearby hotel but had just bought a house in bradenton sounds just like pam right yeah yeah that's not fucking pam at all this woman left the the bank but instead of going boating um she started driving north in pam hutchinson's white acura tl oh wow she went past bradenton drove all the way to ocala which is 130 miles away from uh yeah drove all the way there 130 miles away and checked into a hilton hotel that evening. Okay.
Under the name Pam Hutchinson. Also got room service, two different room service deliveries, paying with Pam Hutchinson credit card and left the next morning.
Shortly after 10.30 a.m., she used Pam Hutchinson's credit cards to make three withdrawals of $500 each at a Bank of America drive-up ATM in Ocala. She then continued going north, eventually turning west and crossing the state line, heading for the Cushada Casino Resort off Highway 165 in the town of Kinder, which boasts the most slots in Louisiana.
That's where she's headed. Next to LSU.
All right, listen she stole this she's found a woman who looked like her right fucking killed her and stole her identity where the fuck is pam we'll find out here she ends up at the most slots in fucking louisiana casino here she wins fifteen hundred dollars on a five dollar play nice um she uses a driver's license and social security number to collect her winnings at 135 those both those both belong to lois it's fucking lois yep and they found her um april 7th that's when she was at the ocala hilton got room service and all that kind of shit um this. This is fucking crazy.
Now, later on when they're discovering this, the marshals who are looking for her said, my belief is she was like, you know what? I've got nothing to lose. I'm going to jail.
Hell, I might as well enjoy myself on the ride. That's what he thinks.
She can't escape. She doesn't have a passport.
She's got to stay in mainland.

There's nowhere for her to go, really.

She can't, you know, they don't know. So anyway, she won her jackpot and all that kind of thing.
She's spotted at the casino there. Later that night, the Acura was spotted by a license plate reading camera in Texas.
They have those now. So soon they put up a wanted poster a six thousand dollar reward multi-state billboard campaign sponsored by the u.s marshall service to find the woman they dubbed losing streak lois help us find losing streak lois yeah she's gonna turn herself in for the reward money my name's pam yeah so.
So April 9th, 2018. Yeah.
Lori Russell is checking the units at Marina Village for a possible water leak. Oh, my God.
So now this is the time when she's still supposed to be there. So Pam's supposed to be staying there.
She enters room 404. Oh, boy.
And noticed that it smells not good in there at all. She figured it was sewage, which maybe was the source of the water problem.
Now it's all making sense. But something seemed very strange.
So she went outside the room, found two guests, two male guests who were walking by and said, I'm a little freaked out. Would you guys mind coming in here with me? I don't like finding dead bodies.
Do you guys mind? So I'm so freaked out, I'm going to head into a dark hotel room with two strange men. That's how freaked out I am.
I'm less scared of that than I am of this. Wow.
That is something. So they look around.
In the bathroom, they find a woman lying on the floor with towels covering her up. Bathroom floor.
Short blonde hair wearing a pink camo baseball cap, white blouse, blue Levi shorts, and Teva flip-flops. Oh, no.
A pillow, which is perforated by a bullet, is on top of her legs. the shot that killed her sliced through her lower lung, her heart's right atrium and aorta, her esophagus and her upper right lung.
.22 caliber bullet, by the way. What a terrible way to go.
Ended up lodged in the right cup of her bra. From the back, huh? From the back.
She had collapsed while her stomach and intestines filled with blood. And she's been dead for several days.
Her toothbrush was in the sink. It looked like she got shot while she was brushing her teeth.
Chicken shit. Chicken shit.
Then she got covered with a towel. By the way, then there was a towel against the crack under the bathroom

door. Trying to stop the smell?

Stop the smell. Then

the thermostats turned down to 61

as well. So

as long as it can go before this is

discovered here, which is

fucking wild. She's been shot twice.

Once in the heart, once in the side.

Wow. Two shots with

a .22. Bathroom floor covered up.
Samesies. Samesies.
That's a thing. That is.
The detectives wrote in the report, a bath towel was placed on the floor outside the bathroom and shoved up against the void, creating a seal. And all of, by the way, Pam's credit cards, car keys, driver's license, gold rings, everything of any value is missing.

So they found the body.

They called 911.

They learned that Pam Hutchinson had been staying in room 404.

And so the deputies called her ex-husband in Virginia Beach to tell him about it.

They interviewed other guests at the Marina Village as well as Pam's friends.

They followed her credit card trail, which led them to surveillance videos from the Smokin' Oyster, the Wells Fargo, the Ocala Hilton, and they said same woman in all the footage. They said looks like Pam, right age, similar hair color, comparable complexion and build, but by then the deputies said, well, this is Pam Hutchinson, so that ain't fucking pam hutchinson yeah because when they were watching the videos they go okay here's pam there she's going here so she must have been alive that day she must and then finally they're like hold on a second she couldn't have been alive yesterday because this body's been here a couple days so who the fuck is this and why is she look just like pam hutchinson so the more video surveillance they watch, the more they saw of her, they started saying that isn't Pam Hutchinson.
That's some other lady that just looks like Pam Hutchinson. What the fuck? So it even placed her in room 404 at the time of the murder.
Footage stamped 746 p.m. shows them approaching the condo at 834 p.m., a camera captured the woman walking by herself toward the building's fourth floor elevator.
She stood in the landing area for 13 minutes, appearing distraught and upset and perhaps crying, then went back to the condo. Oh, my God.
So sometime between 7.46 and 8.34 is when she killed this poor lady. Yeah.
The next morning, video footage captured this woman in the Marina Village parking lot backing up Hutchinson's Acura next to a Cadillac Escalade, then transferring luggage and other items from the Escalade into the sedan. This is unbelievable.
Wow. The evening before she was found murdered, a sergeant with the sheriff's office had come across a white Cadillac Escalade with Minnesota plates at Bowditch Point on the northern tip of Fort Myers Beach.
It had been abandoned. So that was, she ended up dumping that too.
He ran the registration, found out it belonged to Dave.

It's Dave's truck.

Investigators didn't know what to make of it until they watched the surveillance video.

And now they're starting to put it all together.

And then they talked to Tess Coster, who had called the cops.

And that kind of connected all the dots of who it is there.

So they said they showed her they they called Tess down to the police station, showed her three video clips and two photos of the woman making bank withdrawals in Pam's name, and said, do you recognize her? And she said, that's Lois. It's Lois Reese.
I know exactly who that is. I know that gal.
So Pam's friends here, man, that's, that's, they're all bummed out. Obviously, they had planned, they had plans with her and shit like that they were like oh my god two friends of hers said they were going down to florida ellen brit watson her husband said they were planning their annual trip and they planned to stop in bradenton to have dinner with pam and she wasn't answering her phone the woman said i kept telling my husband something's wrong now you were supposed you're supposed to have plans with your wife's friend yeah they're not answering the phone she's like i know something's wrong you're like shut the fuck up don't you're like nothing is they're fine what are you talking about she's a flake that's the problem yeah just because your friend's a flake i gotta worry about it now all this is crazy.
So, yeah, they ended up going to a Satter Soda hotel room that night and they said we didn't hear anything on Monday. And I kept telling my husband, you need to reach out to Pam.
By Tuesday, the couple was in Key West. And finally, her husband's starting to worry, too, after three days.
It takes us three days to come around to that kind of of shit so they got off a trolley tour to get a slice of key lime pie when her husband noticed that he'd missed a phone call they're really worried it sounds like they're really burning the midnight oil looking for this lady let's get some key lime pie and if we don't find her by then then we'll call oh my god and she got the the wife said that i could see the change in his face literally he just looked at me and said pam is dead wow that's when they found out pam was dead so there is a massive grandma hunt going on in this thing here this is horrifying this is horrifying there's so many women that look like grandmas. You know what I mean? She could do this forever.

She could do this fucking forever. And by the way, the test lady said that she is terrified because she says, I look a lot like Pam.
She was coming to kill me first. That's what she was, wasn't she? She said, I know someone who looks like me down there.
Oh, why else was she going there? There's no other reason for yeah so obviously authorities in florida send out a nationwide be on the lookout and everything like that obviously both victims found in bathrooms covered up by convenient things and both shot twice with a 22 handgun afterward both times all of their vehicles and valuables were taken. It's a pretty sound MO here.
It's wild. And they said that this is one of the Lee County's undersheriffs said, she looks like anybody's mother or grandmother, yet she's a cold-blooded killer.
The suspect's resources will run out, and she may become very desperate, and she could strike again. So watch the fuck out here.
so they elevated their search for Lois to a major case in the U.S. Marshals Department here.
They set up a national hotline, posted billboards in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, that read wanted murder with Lois' name and photo, $5,000 reward, and then Crimestoppers put in an extra $1,000, making it $6,000. Widespread media coverage comes in, and tons of tips come from that.
And they're sifting through it, but they can't find shit. The only thing they can find, none of the tips work out to anything, the last thing they have found of her was the Acura along Texas Highway 77 outside Refugio south of Houston on April 8th at 11.60 p.m.
Spanish refugee? Is that what that is? That's her. Refugio.
That's her. I'm a refugio.
So they figured she's headed to Mexico, so they alert the U.S. Border Patrol with with Mexican authorities they said she doesn't have a passport but she could be trying to get in with somebody that had the ability to cross the border and then she'll kill them there and take their identity take all their shit and live in Mexico or whatever they said find somebody with a passport and assume their identity like she did with the woman in Fort Myers Beach or someone with access to a boat either.
That could be her other plan. She's so diabolical and dangerous.
Yeah, anything's possible. So they said that the cops were just working on this like crazy, going through anything, bills, statements, receipts, electronic devices that might be able to figure out at least maybe her mindset, something.
So they said that this became personal to them. One of the cops said it became personal after they saw the devastation on Lois' two older children.
They said the youngest, Braden, didn't have much to say after his appearance on Inside Edition. Bill and Bria, though, the older ones, declined to talk to the press entirely and cut short phone calls from this reporter here.
But they worked closely with investigators to try to locate their mother and find out what happened. They said, this is the cop, said, they're really, really nice people.
I was highly motivated to bring this case to closure. Everybody seems nice except for Lois.
so the day the body was discovered, April 9th, 2018, South Padre Island, Texas. Oh.
All right. Narrow strip of land in the Gulf of Mexico, the southernmost tip of Texas.
Right. And people go there to vacation, obviously.
April 9th, 2018, a middle-aged woman with blonde hair checked into the island's Motel 6. She requested an out-of-the-way room and paid in cash in advance for a week's stay.
Two days later, in the early afternoon of Wednesday, April 11th, she left Room 227, which just puts the 227 theme song in my head from the 80s sitcom. Fuck, damn it, now that's in my head for the rest of the day.
Room 227 and walked across the parking lot to Padre Rita Grill for lunch. The owner, Kathy Lafferty, described as a friendly 61-year-old woman with blonde hair, greeted her and complimented on her cute outfit and matching hat.
What's your name? She says to her. The woman said, Donna, Donna.
And she said like Madonna. And she said, yeah.
So now she's Madonna. She's the, she goes, but I just go by Donna.
Oh, okay. Got it.
But she literally went to say Lois.

I can't say Lois.

Look, Donna, like a cartoon.

Homer Simpson would be better at getting away with that.

That's terrible.

So they started hanging out, going around the island.

A woman who looks just like her, her age, all that shit.

This woman is introducing her to her friends.

This is La Donna, goes by Donna. Ha, ha, ha.
This woman is introducing her to her friends. This is LaDonna.
Goes by Donna. Ha ha ha.
This is Henry. Oh, Henry? Yes.
So she decided to stay for a little while. She said, yeah, I was going to leave, but I think I'll hang around here.
This is pretty nice around here. Donna returned to the grill the next day in the evening.
Every day she would come back and there's live music. So she'd come back at night and eat and do all that this Lafferty said she was a happy person laughed a lot a delightful person I probably would have hired her if she asked for a job she said Donna liked to sit in the corner of the bar where she could talk to people on either side of her stop calling her that she was sociable striking up conversations with wait and other customers.
She'd mentioned that she'd been in Florida previously, but found it overrun with old people. Yeah.
She said she's recently widowed, had come into money, and was looking to buy a condo. She was asking locals about property taxes and homeowners association fees and things like that.
She always paid in cash from a large wad and tipped generously.

God damn.

So the grill staff liked her. They all thought she was cool.
One lady, Laura Giacchino, who was a waiter there, said, I would have invited her to my house. Well.
They said that, quote, Donna flirted shamelessly with the Padres Rita's bartender, Arnie, who was several years younger than she was. He flirted back because he's a bartender and he works on tips.
That's his job. But then she asked him out and he had to go, no, no, no, no.
She asked him out. She was for real.
I fuck women half my age, not half your age. Not twice my age.
Not twice. It's different.
So she made other friends. She met Isabel Barrero at the Motel 6.
Barrero, who was 52 and lived in Alamo, had come to the island by herself for a short vacation. And yeah, she thought, that's nice.
And Donna's another woman who came here by herself. That's cool.
Another older lady coming out by herself. Someone to talk to.
They hit it off, had a couple drinks, and sat chatting it up there. Donna, quote unquote, explained to this lady that her husband had died.
And this lady said she teared up as she spoke about her husband dying. And this lady said she didn't ask questions.
She didn't want to be nosy you know whatever you want to tell me is fine over the next two days they had lunch went shopping hung out in each other's motel rooms sat on the beach donna posed for photos with her new friend oh boy you are wanted everywhere you're posing for social media photos like a fucking moron um the her friend here she wasn't shy with the camera. She wanted me to take pictures of her.
Wow. Amanda Camacho, the Motel 6 clerk who checked her in, later said that she transformed from looking like an elderly lady when she arrived into someone more provocative, wearing short shorts and tank tops.
Oh, my God's she is a chameleon what is going on a gambling picture a chameleon rolling dice that would be her logo and she's trying to be somebody else now so that she can find that person and just be them and be them that's it and just not be lois anymore it's easier they said also on her stomach she had what look like a fresh tattoo what she lost her fucking mind bro depicting a palm tree in a beachside sunset because that's her new life now she got a she got an island life tattoo she went from a fucking minnesota worm farm killed her husband and a month later she's fucking mitch miss beach life all a sudden. She's got salt life tattooed on her belly.
What the fuck is going on? So how does nobody recognize her in South Padre Island? Yeah, what's going on? Well, apparently, South Padre Island does not. Nobody watches the news there.
They don't care. Yeah.
They're an island. They don't give a shit.
They're here because they're to get away from the outside world. So whatever's going on off of this island really doesn't affect me any is the way I look at it.
They don't give a shit. So there's literally nobody watching the news.
Nobody cares. That's it.
I mean, she is 30 miles from the Mexican border, by the way. Oh, she can smell it.
She can definitely smell it. I can smell it.
She's in Texas, so she can smell something. April 17th, 2018, she's still out here.
Wow. April 17th, she's making all sorts of friends here.
April 17th, she meets Ron Mulholland at the Padre Rita Bar restaurant there. He's a 76-year-old man who owns several condos on the island.
Will he fuck her? Let's find out. He stopped in for dinner at about 9pm and sat near her at the bar.
There's a younger lady. I like it.
They chatted it up for about an hour at the bar before she accepts his invitation to go to the Coral Reef which is a karaoke bar just up the road there. He ends up dropping her off at her motel later that night, but gave her his business card and suggested they get together again a little bit some other time.
Oh, it's a smooth move. That business card is real impressive.
How about that right there? I don't even have to write it down. That's bone.
So more people kept befriending her all the time. Bernadette Mathis, a 65-year-old lady, she's a court reporter.

She's sitting alone at the bar of Liam's Steakhouse and Oyster Bar.

They struck up a conversation.

After dinner, they exchanged phone numbers.

Yeah.

Lois texted her later that night saying,

bragged about my new friend. Be good and safe.
I want to hang out soon. Okay.
Alright? And this lady said she didn't have a lot of friends outside of work, so she was happy with the prospect of making a friend. Sure, sure.
A lot of older people don't have friends. Yeah.
They move away. Their friends move away.
Their friends die. Their friends, they run out of friends.
They don't have a lot of friends. They they have family but who the fuck wants to hang out with your grandkids 24 7 you want somebody your own age who gets a reference maybe that you make you know what i mean shit like that you know i don't know makes understands your dick van dyke show reference from 1963 something i don't know quoting season two episode seven of happy days yeah that's what i saying.
You remember when Fonzie jumped the thing. Yeah, obviously.
So the next night, they met again for dinner at Liam's. This lady didn't make it through her second drink, though.
Oh. Normally, she could put some drinks away.
This is a South Texas, you know, lady here. She's a hard-drinking gal.
But, man, this is a a drink and a half and she is ready to pass out really so she's like this is i've never been able to not handle my alcohol like this how strong did you make these drinks ha ha ha to the bartender the bartender wondered if someone slipped something in her drink because this is real weird behavior later um this mathis has a fuzzy recollection of how she and Lois ended up back at her house. They sat in the hot tub, and Lois spent the night in the guest bedroom.
There's security cameras throughout the residence, by the way, inside the house. Weird.
So if Lois brought her there to kill her, she couldn't because it's all on camera, and she saw it. That's why.
The next morning, Mathis took Lois out to breakfast at the Rancho Viejo Country Club. Mathis noticed that Lois took out some pills.
She had a few kinds and took one. After breakfast, Mathis drove Lois back to the Motel 6.
They already made plans to meet for dinner on Friday, April 20th. She said she acted like a really nice person and I trusted her.
Peggy Houlihan met Lois at the Motel 6 pool one day with Isabel Barrero. How about just lay low? You're wanted for fucking two murders in two states.
This is 12 people she's hung out with. This is crazy.
She's a musician planning to perform that evening at Padre Rita's open mic. Yikes.
That's bruff. Houlihan had her guitar with her, and the three women sang some songs together.
Barrero recorded it. Lois seemed to be happy to be included in the whole situation.
Yet this Houlihan, Peggy Houlihan, said something about the situation made her uncomfortable. She said that Lois was pressuring the Barrero lady to stay on the island longer.
Oh, really? She didn't get it. Yeah.
Now, this Houlihan said she wondered if the two women might be, like, together together. Oh, oh.
Or if maybe that's what Lois was trying to do, was trying to hook up with this lady. She didn't know.
Later that evening, Lois arrived at the Padre Rita before Barrero and joined Houlihan at her table. Barrero had decided to stay an extra night.
But according to Houlihan, the open miker there, Lois seemed agitated and seemed upset that this Barrero lady might have departed the island without telling her. But when Barrero finally got there, Lois took her to a separate table and they ended up leaving later on the two of them without saying goodbye.
So the open mic lady here said, I didn't know till the next morning that Isabel was OK. OK.
Now, Isabel came to me to say goodbye. and she knew that she wasn't dead, so that's good.
April 19, 2018, Dirty Al's. Yeah.
Dirty Al's, which claims to serve the best seafood on South Padre, by the way. Okay.
Because I want a name. I want dirty in my name of a seafood restaurant.
That tells me how clean it yeah no shit uh she asked to look at a menu and a waiter chatted with her for a few minutes across the room the manager george higginbotham was watching and he said the women look familiar the hair something he said i have seen her before who is this lady um then when she did like she apparently she has a really really really distinctive hair flip that she does all the time yeah and like all the videos they say you can tell it's her because it's her hair flip you can see you're like is that is that her and then she'll do the hair flip and you go oh it's her so this guy slots james because she has a tell she has a yeah'd be terrible at poker. So he's watching this, and he sees her do a hair flip, and then it clicked.
He said, CBS this morning. I saw her on the fucking news.
That's where I saw her. Uh-huh.
Right? So interesting. So she gave the menu back and walked out of the restaurant.
She said she didn't want to eat at a bar, and Dirty Al's didn't have any seating available, only the bar. So she said, never mind.
So the manager told the staff, that's her. That's the woman who killed the lady in Florida.
And they were like, get the fuck out of here. What are you talking about, George? No, it's a murderer.
I swear it. George, how many fucking blue drinks have you had already today? This is crazy.
How many fish bowls you drank? Yeah. He said, it is.
I'm serious. He said, go see what kind of car she gets into.
Go see what kind of car. So one of the employees goes out and looks and it's a white sedan and he goes, that's what that fucking murderer is driving.
They said she's driving a white sedan. So, okay.
Um, they call the cops and the cops, U S marshals, everybody arrives at dirty's. And not to shut the place down for some kind of health code violation either, which is the surprising part.
If you're just eating in that restaurant and you see the whole posse come up, you're like, oh God, how bad is it in that kitchen? Holy shit. Just getting their oysters out.
Oh God, Jesus. I knew it.
Fucking knew it. I told you we shouldn't have gone to Dirty Al owls you said it was kitschy and cute fucking this is bullshit so this manager higginbotham told the marshals that lois was wearing a yellow tank top and white shorts and that her car had florida license plates they said do you have surveillance footage he said i absolutely do but i have no idea how to retrieve it they set it up for me me.
I don't know how to get it. Thank fuck I haven't needed it until now.
Nothing's happened since I've installed it, so I haven't had to look. No idea.
So the marshals were like, okay, well, we'll go try to find her. And they said she was looking for a place to eat, so check the restaurants.
So they do. They just look in every restaurant until they end up at the Sea Ranch restaurant right next door to Dirty Al's.

There's a white Acura parked outside with Florida license plates.

So they secure the restaurant's exit.

Several marshals and local cops enter the Sea Ranch and surround Lois.

They said she was sitting at her preferred location, a corner spot at the bar.

One of the marshals picked up her purse and said, Lois, we're going to take you out of here and explain what's going on don't make a scene in other words they didn't they didn't whip the guns out and said you know hands on your head right now which to me is is crazy because you know she has a gun she's a murderer and we'll use it and they just took her purse i guess they figured the gun was in there and they said don't make a scene basically let's not fuck up this guy's night of business here your cult's probably not on you it's probably in here so or or in your room or something so they said lois complied without saying a word and they said that's really interesting because the guy said usually a fugitive this kind of fugitive will either resist arrest or be like what are you talking about feign ignorance of the innocence of the whole thing or say she's not her yeah this guy said she didn't have a single emotion on her face like she was waiting for it she was tired she might as well have said what took you so long like she was that close to just saying that you know i was gonna have to kill somebody that's Friends that's friends with open micers for God. I was going to do it.
So they end up, everybody comes in the crime scene units, everything like that. They took DNA swabs from Lois, obtained warrants to search the Acura room.
Two, two, seven at the motel six. They found Marla Gibbs and Jack a in there.
It was terrible. They found a map, a brochure from the Lucky Eagle Casino, of course.
Pill bottles, piles of clothes, including the white fedora she was seen wearing in surveillance videos when she posed as Pam Hutchinson. They found tissues, soap, and a green and white towel stolen from the Marina Village.
Wow. She steals towels.
She's a towel soap stealer. That's hilarious.
A small stash of Lifestyles Ultra Lube Plus condoms. What? She was planning on getting some action, just in case.
You never know. Wow.
Hutchinson's Lifestyles. Hutchinson's checkbook, four credit cards, and $548 in cash.
That's all she had? Yep, that's all she had left. Wow.
They found a black bag with bullets, a holster, duct tape, and rubber gloves inside. Oh, my God.
Two handguns, by the way. Two.
Oh. A Colt Woodsman 22 that her father gave her, and a Smith & Wesson 9mm as well.
She hasn't even used that yet. Nope.
That's what I'm saying. She had plans, dude.
She was going to do this for so long. In a blaze of glory.
No, shit. She was going out.
This is not fucking around here. Then they found a trophy.
What? They found a fucking trophy. They found Pam's sunglasses wrapped in a hand towel and hidden.
That's a trophy. That's not to use.
Not to use them. Not to.
Everything else was for utilitarian purposes. This is a trophy.
The sunglasses. You sick fucking lady, man.
The Dodge County Sheriff Scott Rose said, I think she was just waiting to be caught because she went so peacefully. They said she was just sitting at the bar drinking, having a good old time.
Do you ask to down the rest of your drink before you're taken away forever? I did pay for it. I feel like you go, let me finish this, right? Just bang and then you got me.
So, yeah, searching her suitcase. That's what they found all of that.
And they think she obviously had someone else lined up, Bernadette Mathis here. Yeah.
She had dinner with her. She stayed in her guest room.
She believed that she had been targeted as the potential third victim. Luckily, she was caught probably right before she was going to kill her.
Yeah. Which is, I mean, it was probably that night she was going to kill her.
So that's crazy. That's how expensive eating out is too, by the way.
Oh, it'll burn through everything. No, especially in resort areas.
Yeah, resorts at the bar, drinking and eating fucking whatever that shit is. I was talking to a guy who does well for himself and all this shit, and he and his wife, he's an older guy, they go down to Key West all the time and he said they were in key west for what was like four weeks or something and they spent nine thousand dollars on food oh my god nine thousand luckily he's a successful guy or owns a restaurant nine thousand dollars on food in four weeks he said it was more than the the rental of the place on the beach that was that was like 5 000 and the food was 9 000 i was like holy shit i have one that's an expensive vacation too and he goes that wasn't even like we weren't eating like lobster tails every night that was you go and eat a chicken it was 48 for a chicken breast and some rice because it's fucking crazy these tourist spots will fucking get you when you're down there those people are doing great those people uh vacation in turks and caicos oh yeah yeah that's man people don't know resort places they go down to barbados for christ's sake oh yeah yeah there's a there's those islands down there too there's a whole anthony bourdain has a chapter in one of his books yeah where he talks about going with some lady and he loved this one guy running a restaurant just fucking rich people over yeah he goes this little guy little dirty guy makes terrible little pieces of chicken on a barbecue but because he's got this little spot of beach famous people kiss his ass to pay 150 dollars for 12 cents worth of chicken it's fucking hilarious he goes to thailand Thailand for a sex vacation.
Yeah, that's how he gets away. So South Padre Island locals find out, and they're like, what the fuck? Yeah.
One person says, this is the Lafferty lady, said, we had no idea when she was here she was a murderer trying to hide. You just never know people you see on the street or walk into your bar who they really are.
No, some tvs with cbs on fuck man we gotta get some cable in this bitch anybody have the internet no it's only 2018 down here or something jesus christ yes ask jeeves i don't know fucking 20 years ago internet give us we don't care so yeah people on there all freaked out isabel barrero bernadette mathis carol lafferty all women who she fooled and were friends with and they're all like any of us could have been the next victim they're all around her age all in you know it's identity stealable range wow it's fucking wild dude it's fucking crazy um this the mathis lady said that she showed up for their dinner scheduled on April 20th. Didn't know she'd been arrested the day before.
Hilarious. When she asked around, she learned that the woman she knew as Donna wasn't Donna.
It was actually the murderer from Florida and Minnesota. She said, I felt very betrayed.
I feel stupid that I could be so gullible. It's just scary.
Very scary to meet a stranger and think they're going to be your friend and they turn out

to be a killer.

Right.

I would say so.

The test cost her lady said she was awfully freaked out and everything like that.

She said maybe the test cost her lady said maybe Lois was hoping she'd find one of the

rental units empty and she could squat there.

But she says, yeah, she says, I look a lot.

She said, I have blonde hair, same age.

She was here for a different reason.

I know it's up.

She said, yeah, she said, I was afraid for my life.

She turned me from that small town trusting person to having a loaded gun by my bed.

Whoa.

That's a big switch there.

So, yeah, they said that she is now very famous across the country, losing streak lowest, all this shit, which I love. People didn't understand it.
People gave trusted her with their kids. Really? She did daycare.
They're like, what? Yeah. This is crazy.
And this level of violence and this level of everything is all very rare for women murderers, by the way.

Usually it's a, again, utilitarian, a utilitarian crime.

And it's even to get to what, like, I got to kill my husband because I want to go be with this guy.

Or I got to kill this lady because she's trying to fuck my husband.

Or I want to kill him for insurance.

It's very point A to point B.

Don't get rid of the kids because I'm crazy.

Or kill him because he's beating me.

Yeah, exactly.

But either way, killing somebody to go on a gambling spree is a very male thing to do.

It's unbelievable.

It's very odd.

So they thought that was really weird.

They said, the cops said it's rare for women to kill at all.

But when they do, it's often an exceptional event, the result of jealous rage or the need to protect themselves or, you know, whatever. They said she didn't fit a profile because you don't have enough people to make a profile like this.
Right. They said there isn't enough of her to even make a profile of what this is.
Never heard of it before. Yeah.
She's a total outlier. She16,000 into $538 in three weeks.
Quickly. That is from a forensic psychologist in Minnesota named Tricia Aiken said that.
Now, obviously, reactions are pretty crazy. Ellen Britt Watts, who's Pam Hutchinson's cousin, said she's sympathetic with the challengers here.
She said she wishes things had gone differently. She said nothing against law enforcement because I know they had a real hard job, but I think they missed a big opportunity when that couple reported her being on Fort Myers Beach on April 2nd.
Not for nothing, but she said she would have been alive. She said that's ridiculous.
They won't talk about it in detail, but the Fort Lee or I'm sorry, the Lee County undersheriff said one thing I can tell you, there was no opportunity missed.

I know that bullshit.

You fucking idiot.

You're a dummy.

Carmine Marcello.

You're a fucking idiot.

She drove the whole gulf because you fucked up.

She was on the island for days after that fucking conning and killing a person. and he said we didn't miss anything i'll tell you that much there's a body because fucking liar they they literally the test didn't call the cops and said there's some lady like right they she said it's this lady lois is here driving this and this is what she did and they were like oh she's got to be gone by now.
Long gone. You guys suck, man.
Holy shit. They said obviously she was arrested, so hopefully that'll bring some closure to the family.
That's what that cop said. Maybe now they'll shut the fuck up, is what he said, basically.
Wow. It's very also, one of her friends, Pam Hutchinson's friends, Judy Wilder, said it wasn't a man who did it.
It was a woman. This has me, like, blown away.
Yeah. You don't expect a woman stranger to do this.
That's the other thing. Women generally don't kill strangers.
Yeah. There's a lot of emotion and entrenched shit that comes out.
And, like, a really scum, while she's brushing her teeth. Yeah, it's fucked up, man.
It's real fucked up. The Chamber of Commerce lady from Minnesota said, when you're a small town and then somebody does something like that, it just makes you feel creepy.
Then you wish you never knew who she was. It scared a lot of people.
We had so much anxiety in the community until she got found. It's just weird what makes people snap.
After she did that, we thought, oh my gosh, what would make her do that? And she said, how can you be such a nice person and then turn into a monster? True. So, did gambling make her do it? That's what they're wondering.
What did it? She got a belly tattoo. It's not gambling, is it? It's, I don't know what the fuck it is.
And they said that the only most similar case they can find to this is Donna Blanton, who in 2003 shot her husband of six months, who was a Virginia state trooper, with his own .380 pistol after they argued about her gambling debt. But that's not to gamble more.
Right. That was just to get out of the getting caught for that.
So that doesn't make sense. It's weird.
And to flee the state and continue killing and doing this. They said it's far more likely for problem gamblers to be violent toward themselves.
OK. They said one in five have seriously contemplated or attempted suicide, according to the National Council on Problem Gambling.
They said, unless it's from your own family. Nobody cares what you do.
Or they borrow from their friends,

and their friends are all connected via one common thing.

But don't worry.

Kevin Hart will still be on television telling you to keep doing it.

Keep doing it.

It's fine.

Don't get butterscotch and raw candy out of your pocket.

That's just nasty.

He makes jokes about it.

It's so fun.

Just do that because the NFL hates gambling.

That's why they play those commercials. They say a number of our patients have co-occurring disorders.
It's not a singular dimension illness, talking about gambling. And so they said that this often clusters in families and things like depression, anxiety, bipolar, obviously.
And they said her mother probably had some kind of problem because she was a hoarder.

And her mother was eventually committed to a state hospital for the mentally ill as well.

So that's two in the family.

That's two.

And Kim, obviously, we talked about her.

And then we'll talk about her sister.

Cindy also had an incident.

We'll talk about that in a second.

In court, she goes to make her initial thing and she pleads not guilty. Her initial appearance pleads not guilty, Lois, and says she has been taking medication for a mental condition.
Okay. She said, so they don't know.
Who knows? They said, could it be possible that she just started having a mental condition in the last few years? I guess only 10% of bipolar cases occur in people over the age of 50. So usually if you're not bipolar by 50, you're not going to be type of thing.
They said all these pieces together give you a lot more confidence that there was an acute manic psychotic episode. That's a guy who is a forensic clinical neuropsychologist who has examined 700 murder cases named John Fabian.
Okay, now March of 2019, she's waiting for court. Her sister Cindy, that's Cindy with two E's by the way.
Cindy. Cindy's at her house about 10 miles southeast of Rochester, Minnesota, arguing with her 37-year-old drunk son, who is currently drunk.
He shoved her. Cindy and her husband kicked her out.
Kicked him out. Kicked him out.
Said, you got to leave. Shortly after, she found him lying in the driveway and told him to go get the car so she could take him somewhere.
I'm going to take you to go get the car. I'm going to take you somewhere.
This is crazy. He refused.
So she went and got in her 2004 Ford Explorer and ran him over. Oh, my God.
In her own driveway, her own son on purpose. Oh, boy.
He suffered a badly fractured pelvis and head injuries. When a deputy asked if Cindy meant to to run over her son she said and i quote you bet which is so minnesota oh you bet sure you bet that's a wow how minnesota is that how funny oh my god has a gambling problem she still says you bet you bet everyone does wow she was charged with second and third degree assault criminal vehicular operation and domestic assault the morning of april of august 5th 2019 she quarreled with her probation officer that afternoon she went to a hardware store in in Rochester and purchased a clothesline, then drove to Quarry Hill Park near where she and Lois grew up, walked through the woods to a pedestrian bridge spanning a deep ravine, and hanged herself.
God damn it. So this family has got issues.
No shit. There are some mental health issues going on here.
Clearly. The one sister went completely, you know, balls out wacky when she got a divorce.
This is a lot. This is a lot.
What's going on with them? So why the fuck did Lois do this? Okay. There is a, all we have is theories, but there is a forensic psychologist here named David Thomas who theorizes that when she snapped, she was broke and fiending, which you normally hear for drug addicts, but it can also be applied to gambling addicts.
He says, when you get into serious financial trouble like that and there's no way out, at some point your significant other's got to go, you know what? There's nothing more I can do for you, so you're left out on your own. The husband says, nope, I ain't going to do it anymore.
You've messed up my business. You're stealing my money.
If I lose my business, I have nothing left, so I'm cutting you off. And now she's on her own, and she's like, I can't control this, so I'm going to do what I need to do.
And that's what she does because she's desperate. That's his thought is that she gets cut off.

But still, why would you kill?

That's way over the top.

December 2019, Lois goes to court.

And they want to try her.

She's being tried first in Florida because that's where they have her.

Right.

And they're saying, you're going to get the death penalty, little lady.

And she says, well, can I make a deal?

So to avoid the death penalty, they allow her to make a deal.

And that's all she's going to get is guaranteed is no death penalty. She is going to admit to shooting Pam Hutchinson with a firearm and plead guilty to first-degree murder.
also pleads guilty to grand theft of a motor vehicle and other property criminal other other property criminal use of a personal identification information of a deceased individual um she does not provide a statement but answers the court's questions and they said i will judicate adjudicate you guilty you losing streak lois yeah may fuck off life in prison without parole and orders her to pay $38,556 in attorney's fees and other expenses. Which she's like, I'll go double or nothing.
Hold on. They're like, no, this is the problem.
No. If I had that, I could double it.
I'll play you for it. So August 2020, she has to go for Dave's murder now up in Minnesota here.
Her court-appointed public defender worked out a deal with the attorney general's office here. She'll plead guilty to first-degree murder of her husband.
And the judge tells Lois that, because this is during COVID. Right.
She says, remove your mask and let me hear your responses here. Then there's a bunch of questions that we'll talk about here in a second.
She said she was satisfied with her defense, was thinking clearly, was unaffected by medication she took for arthritis and high cholesterol. By the way, no mention of antidepressants or any other medication to treat mental illnesses, like she said before.
And she said she was pleading guilty because she was indeed guilty. And so anyway, then the judge gets to ask shit.
They asked her, how and why did you do this? Why did you kill Dave? She said after she and Dave on March 11th, that's the Sunday, she and Dave had attended their grandson's basketball game in Wisconsin. So they did do that.
Lois wanted to stay with her family, but Dave wanted to leave. They left and argued on the drive home.
They continued to argue in their bedroom, according to Lois. And then Dave, she says, took a loaded handgun out of the dresser offered it to her and said quote why don't you just kill yourself maybe you'll get it right this time whoa which i don't put it past him it's what i'm saying he told the other i mean he might have just fucking lost it and said here instead she said she took the gun, aimed it at his chest, and fired twice.
But we know she didn't do that, right? Well, no. He fired once, and then he probably spun to get away and hit him in the back.
That makes perfect sense. So that actually sounds right.
That could have happened. So they said, did you know Dave was dead? And she down with him oh the judge said what was that pardon yeah what cold did you just say i laid down with him i closed my eyes and the prosecutor said you made the decision to shoot him and she said well he was right in front of me and i looked at him in the heart and shot him so it was on purpose the family in attendance did not react at all to this um but they made their feelings known during impact statements here um this is a social worker uh read the first one on behalf of dave's elderly mother who couldn't come herself when you killed David, you took my heart.
David was this family's ray of sunshine. I will never forgive you.
Said that she's just such a cold blooded murderer. She could satisfy her gambling addiction and that she left him laying dead while she partied and gambled just like before.
Lois's firstborn Bill, that's her son, approached the podium. He said, you stole something from us.
We'll never get back. I'll never be able to forgive you.
Then he said, the hurt you've caused my kids, your grandkids, God, they loved you so much. Loved, that's painful.
Then her daughter was the last to speak, and she said, losing my dad at the hands of my mom is something I'll never be able to process.

If I could go back in time to make sure my mom got the help she needed and never killed my dad, those are thoughts that constantly haunt me.

Wow.

Lois speaks.

What?

She's got it.

Because right now, she just looks like a cold-blooded psychopath, so she's got to say something.

She says, quote, what I did is an unpardonable crime.

Solitude is forever.

I don't know. She just looks like a cold-blooded psychopath.
She's got to say something. She says, quote, what I did is an unpardonable crime.
Solitude is forever. I feel I deserve this.
I will have no reprieve. My life without David is my sentence, my penance.
Our children are loving, caring, strong people. It's because of David's strengths that they are the way they are.
My best accomplishment was having our children. She then apologized to the family saying that she felt bad from taking him from you and then turned to her children and said, I feel I need to say this.
I didn't know how much pain I was in until I wasn't anymore. Oh, the judge says you, sir, or ma'am or or grandma, you, gambling granny, may fuck off.
Mandatory life sentence without parole. So she's got two of them.
Two. And the deal is she'll be able to serve her time in Minnesota because that's closer to her family.
That's part of the deal she made. She doesn't have to do it in Florida.
And so, yeah, the judge set aside the charge of felony theft and left open the question of restitution to be determined later, because that's not really important right now. Obviously, the reaction here, Pam's Pam Hutchinson's best friend said she was thrilled that Lois was sentenced, but would have preferred the death penalty.
Sure. She said, oh, my God, I'm so happy.
This will give the family some type of closure. I'm just glad she didn't say she was crazy.
I'm kind of disappointed, but you've got to trust our system. I would like to have seen the death penalty.
Now, the lawyer, this is her lawyer, said, I know she killed two people, and it sounds kind of weird, but I genuinely liked her. Yeah.
She said that then they asked her, asked her if, do you believe Lois, everything she said? And she shrugged her shoulders and said, that's her story. That's the story she's been telling all along.
But then the reporter says, she then flicked my elbow with the back of her hand as though he shared a confidence and added, why would she lie to me? Like, in other words, it's a murder fucking suspect. fucking suspect so you know take that with what it is the daughter tries to explain it brayden she gave an interview to inside edition and she said that it's he or he i'm sorry he said that it's like living in a bad movie to see his mother who always put herself second accused of killing two people he said it's fucking crazy he said she literally snapped my whole family is in shock nobody ever suspected anything like this uh it has devastated our family he said talked about the all of this you know his mother being a suspect he's like it's like a bad movie i feel like i'm gonna wake up and it's gonna go back to normal but not.
She was caring and never put a second. He then said, gambling's a terrible thing where it can suck people in and destroy lives.
And he said that as the cops spread out looking for her, he said, I just felt really bad for my mom. I felt like she was alone and desperate, which happens when you're a double murderer.
That's the thing that happens. Pretty well alone.
Yeah. So, um, yeah, uh, she's also, they're wondering about later on about the money and all that kind of thing.
And the kids don't really care. They said they haven't spoken to their mother since their father's death.
And he says this Braden said, if he ever does get the chance to speak to his mother, he said, I just tell her that her okay because she's got everything's gone it's all gone she's fucking done she has two states worth of life without parole tess costar the woman who almost got it too said i'm happy to be alive and i feel lucky that's what she said holy shit that's you know it here. The sheriff said that, you know, we took our time to build the strongest case against Lois for David's murder.

So they were kind of happy Florida did their thing first because then they could build it more.

Because there was no doubt what happened down there, all the surveillance footage and all that kind of shit.

So they wanted to do that.

Yeah.

The test said we even invited them to come stay with us in Florida a couple years ago, but they didn't come. I'm so glad she was caught.
The owner of a motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle dealership that knows them in Blooming Prairie said everyone is speculating. She snapped.
What can you say? There's no explanation. Everybody says that because of that fucking show.
It has be right has to be well she didn't kill tess because she would have had to kill a guy too i think that's what that is possibly or if she could have taken her away but i think she i am not sure what was going on i don't know if she was gonna try to sneak in sneak up to her and fucking maybe she was just doing recon looking by and then was like oh shit she's in the driveway and didn't expect it so it's weird they likened here her personality split to a switch getting flicked saying that she went from being a really nice person to being a monster that's what they said now speaking of that HBO put like a three-part documentary on this whole thing called I'm Not a Monster. Well, I don't know.
Yeah. And Lois talks for the – she didn't talk to anybody.
Since she got caught, she did no interviews. She turned down everything.
She does an interview for this documentary. And this is what she says.
They said, what the fuck, lady? Why? She said it was just the perfect storm. That's what she said.
It was just years of abuse and years of giving and giving and neglecting my own mental health and needs. And I don't know.
I think the word is psychotic break. I just snapped.
Oxygen. I need a contract.
Wow. She said, I was very very intimidated by him i didn't think i had a way out or could defy him because he was a big man and he was very very aggressive lots of verbal abuse which i feel is worse than physical abuse well you're an asshole it's not worse but what about the lady in florida you can't give me a break i was gonna say him for this

you can blame him for all you want up there what about her that's what i'm saying i don't up there great we'll let you have that yeah sure you're you're innocent all cleared up ladies that's fine okay now get the florida and finish out your life without pearls stupid you fucking moron so anyway, about Pam, she said, never. I had never anticipated hurting that woman.
Horse shit. Absolutely haunted her.
She said she reached out to me to be my friend. I just wish I could have been in a better state of mind.
I could have been her friend. Are you out of your fucking mind? She says she does not remember killing Pamela and doesn't know why she did it.
Please. You went right to the ATM and took five grand.
You're a fucking liar. It's exactly, yeah, I went right to the casino.
She said it's truly a puzzle because I don't have all the memories and all the answers for that. It was shown to me that I took her life.
I still don't know the reason why it happened. I feel absolute remorse and shame.
I feel terrible that I took her life and David's life. Five grand, Lois.
Five grand. And continued use of her car and credit cards.
She then said she just got caught up in my breakdown and it was awful. Bullshit.
Bullshit. Then she goes on to say, you know, my mother died in a mental institution.
I didn't want to die in a mental institution. And that was my biggest fear if I had to go to trial because I felt mentally incompetent.
I was in the middle of a breakdown and I felt that's what would happen. I'd end up just like my mother.
Don't worry. We have maximum security prison for you.
That'll make you beg for a fucking mental institution. Dummy.
You fucking asshole. dude that's the biggest cop out ever you're in for life without parole in two states just be fucking honest yeah just say it just say what you did it's one thing to say maybe okay anything gonna happen we don't know what happens behind closed doors with people so maybe that is what was going on as nice as they both seem but then when they get to an inexcusable one she can't say say pam was abusing her no so they get to that and then it's just well i don't remember what happened then so i must be your sister recognized her mental break and went to ace hardware and solved the problem fucking that's what i mean if you would have done that i i'm i am very we're both extremely anti-suicide 100 therapy is a great thing if you're gonna going to start killing people, find the nearest pedestrian bridge and hang yourself off it.
Because take yourself out before anybody else. Don't kill others.
50 feet of clothing line. That'll solve the problem.
Make sure, yeah, you want to get the drop so you're next to that. Help me with my fucking fall.
Help me with my fucking fall. God, I love Deadwood.
So Lois is now in prison at the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Shakopee, 30 miles southwest of Minneapolis, 80 miles north of Blooming Prairie. So not even that far from home.
No kidding. And there you go, everybody.
That is Blooming Prairie, Minnesota, and a fucking twisted, wild, weird episode, I got to say. She's out of her fucking mind.
She's dangerous. And refuses to admit she's an asshole.
She would have went on killing women that look like her and using their money until she got caught. As long as she got away with it, yeah.
Period. That's it, and that's all.
It would have never stopped. So there you go.
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I think that's what she was trying to help me with, but she's also got an ass.

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Giancarlo would probably be best, but that's fine.

He just pronounced it wrong and then said, look at me getting it right.

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Giancarlo would probably be right.

Oh, okay.

Giancarlo sounds fucking good.

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