#560 - Solving A Murder Puzzle - Chicopee, Massachusetts

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Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. We're going to Massachusettsachusetts here we go massachusetts this is chicopee massachusetts oh chicopee mass old chicopee it's a nice place chicopee mass is in south central massachusetts yeah it's kind of like mid mid massachusetts we'll call it it's about an hour and a half to boston and about three hours to new York City, the other direction.
And it sits in the middle there.

And it is 15 minutes, actually, to Agawam,

which was our last Massachusetts episode,

which was the music box murder.

That was crazy shit.

I remember that.

But this is basically,

there's Springfield in the middle.

Chicopee is on the south side of Springfield,

and Agawam is the north side of Springfield. How about that? It's just on the other side of Springfield, basically.
Not on purpose, just the way it worked out. Population here, 55,636.
So a little more than we usually do, but it's definitely a small town in the feel and how everything works here. Median household income here, less than the national average, actually, which is odd for me.
Really? Yeah. There's towns in massachusetts that are not affluent at all if you yeah remember when we drove to the dispensary there going uh we drove through like those weird trailer not even parks just those bizarre trailer sections of the road when they were like it was bad stuff the whole the whole north part of massachusetts every town that dots that border is like that it's like like Framingham, just weird places.
Defunct industrial towns. They used to have factories and make shit, and now they don't.
Now they are what they are. It's a wild state.
So median household income here, $56,509, which is well below the national average. Very, very low.
And then median home price, Massachusetts is a pretty expensive place. That's also low, actually.
$272,100, which is much lower than the national average. I hate that we're telling everybody.
I know. Well, this isn't that great.
I'm not going to end up here. You can go here all you want.
Head to Chickopee all you want, people. Enjoy.
Nicknames here. They call it the Crossroads of New England, which makes sense in that area.
It is kind of everybody goes through there to go anywhere. And then, of course, this one, which is a little less geographic, the Kielbasa Capital of the World.
Didn't expect that, did you? The amount of jokes that they're just leaving it. I mean, your town's called Chicopee, for Christ's sake.
Chicopee, Chick-O-P, and then you've got Kielbasa capital of the world, which I'm sure there's places in maybe Germany or Austria or something that would probably challenge you for that. Poland maybe.
I don't know where the hell they make Kielbasa. They said the world, huh? The world.
Not Massachusetts. Not the United States.
Whole world. All right.
Little bit of history of this town. They've had a shitload of different.
This is a big industry town. And that's the thing.
All of these Massachusetts towns made shit. And they had a lot of industry and factories.
And this is kind of the story of a lot of Massachusetts town. Yeah, it's the first place they landed for Christ.
Yeah, there was cotton mills, wool mills, textiles, brass and iron foundries, paper making footwear factories for leather boots and shoes um the first friction matches were from here is that right ship building yeah everything was here um and then of course the firearms company crescent davis specialized in producing double barrel shotguns really yeah specialized in cartoon shotguns. And the old Elmer Fudd.

The Ames Manufacturing Company made machines and bronze cannons and more swords than any other American manufacturer at the time. Who gives a fuck about kielbasa? Yeah, they're the top sword maker, apparently.
That's amazing. Ames cast a number of bronze statues, including the Thomas Ball's monumental equestrian statue of President George Washington installed in Boston's public garden.

That George Washington, that was made here.

The one on the horse, yeah.

That was made here, yep.

Also, they made a lot of shit for the Civil War and everything like that.

They also, during the 1800s, became a major manufacturing center for bicycles. Huh.
Mad Libs town. The town became two, site of at least two bicycle factories, the Overman Wheel Company from 1882 to 1899 and the Spalding Sporting Goods Company.
No shit. Which was a big goddamn deal.
That's where in the 1800s, if you wanted like a baseball glove or something like that, that's you ordered from their catalog. That's what they had.
Basketball. Yeah.
Yep. So they moved to the Overman bicycles, moved to Hartford a little bit later.
And, you know, basically the bicycle boom of the 1890s kind of died with cars. So that happened here.
And by 1901, Overman was out of business.

So there you go.

Reviews of this town, five stars.

Here we go.

They love it.

In my neighborhood, everyone is nice and kind.

Everyone.

Everyone.

Up my street. Not one asshole on the whole.

Not one pissy old lady that'll keep your ball.

Nothing like that.

Up my street, there's an elementary school.

So me and maybe most of my neighbors and their children would walk up to the school and back. I hope you have kids there.
Just taking a stroll. For me, it usually takes 10 minutes to get to school and back.
Around this area, we've seen many different race, but everyone is so nice. Not races, just many different one race.
We would sometimes play outside during the summer with our longtime neighbor, and it would be the best summer. So you were a kid and you played outside during the summer.
That's a really unique experience. You had a nice childhood.
Thank you for sharing your unique experience of playing outside in the summer as a child. You didn't have to be in school.
You hung out with your neighbor outside. Wow.
Three stars here. I mean, it's okay.
That's what they say. I really compare it to anywhere else i've as i've been here my whole life could use more stuff to do school is meh yeah it is meh if you can't come up with a better adjective to describe it than meh it's pretty meh this is a late teenager we should have to be any of the words they said.
Nope. Nope.
Not bad. Just okay.
Some crazy stuff to do. Some crazy stuff do be going on here, though.
Is that right? I'm happy to hear that. That's what I like to hear.
Crazy stuff do be going on here, though. If you're around the right people, you can see actual crime going on here.
Actual crime. Drugs also kind ofinky dink roads are home okay people are either very nice or just don't care usually neighbors are willing to converse um lots of hispanic people in these buildings where i grew up i mean it's not exactly exciting just to exist here but at least you don't get someone knocking on your door every day what the fuck are you talking about utah are you saying the mormons aren't bothering you what are you saying in these buildings what the up in these buildings occasionally something crazy happens cops are dot dot dot i don't know dot dot dot okay they're cops they're cops kids here are dot dot Dot, not dot not gonna lie kind of jerks when they get past the third grade that's kids you named it no guarantee there may also be some gangs going on off topic but crack is just exchanged at gas stations at night yeah where else are you gonna buy crack like you pull up the people there.
Still a nice suburb place, a kind of place you can get to know. Jesus Christ.
And then finally, one star, a few really good neighbors, but can be dangerous depending on where you are. Some issues with collusion between the schools and other elected officials.
What memorial drive is a headache. That means that schools and officials have to, I assume, get together to figure out what they're going to do, and they don't want that.
I don't know. I have no idea what else they could be talking about.
Things to do here. The Chicopee Kielbasa Festival, of course.
There better be. It's the fucking capital of the world.
You've got to have it. Yearly Memorial Day Regional Festival showcasing kielbasa polish culture and international foods games and vending and rides we'll hold off on all the jokes of the like the light bulb turning you know you know team like team light bulb turning and shit like that we'll just we'll just take a step back and not even say anything move.
This is an article from 1989 about the festival from 89 where they had the world's largest kielbasa. How big was it? 449 pounds.
Holy shit. What? Holy.
The size of a fucking horse. How long was that? It's insane.
And it took 15 employees of the Chicopee Provision Company 30 minutes to stuff the King Kielbasa, which is showcased at the four-day festival. That kielbasa is 13 pounds heavier than last year's record setter.
I got 13 more pounds of kielbasa. Measured 26 feet 3 inches.
Holy shit. Come get my kielbasa, everybody.
And the guy said, we just try to make it bigger each year, the kielbasa. Yeah.
That's great. And when it's over, the kielbasa will be cut up and donated to charities.
Want a slice of kielbasa? I mean, how big of a slice is that? Like a pizza? Yeah, like a pizza. I think it's a's a large pie that said let's talk about some murder here let's oh boy because we got a wild one all right let's do this let's go back not very far pretty much the world is just about the same august of 2011 yeah yeah your phone looked the same things were the same shit yeah things are normal let's talk about somebody with a familiar name but it's not the the same guy.
Seth Green. Like the actor and the voice actor from Family Guy.
And Massachusetts. Well, Rhode Island.
He is from Rhode Island. Well, I just mean Chris Griffin is from Rhode Island.
The Family Guy character. Yeah, I think he is from Rhode Island.
Maybe. And Robot Chicken he did and all that kind of shit.
So this is Seth Green. He's 27 years old.
Oh, Seth Green did i saw seth mcfarland no no well the little guy works for seth mcfarland yeah a little redheaded guy yeah the guy the guy who you go oh man he looks terrible and but it's like it's it's i feel bad for a guy like that because he was like a child actor but teen actors are actually 22 so that's just what they look. But you expect them to grow up and look different.
But they don't. And then they look like just older children.
But that's because that's what he was done. It's kind of a tough thing.
I feel bad for old Seth Green. But he's got so much fucking money.
Holy shit. Holy shit.
That kid's done fantastic. This Seth Green is 27.
And he doesn't have the same amount of money. He's a construction worker.
Oh, no. 27-year-old construction worker.
Our voice is Seth. And he just started dating a new young lady.
Hell, yeah. The relationship is less than a week old.
It's like six days old here. They don't even know anything about each other.
No, he met a young lady named Amanda Lynn Plass. P-L-A-S-S-E, Plass.
So Amanda, another Lynn, by the way, our regular small-town murderer this week, had both the murderer and victim were middle names of Lynn. So Lynn, or Amanda here, she's a little chick, too.
She's 5'1", about 100 pounds, 20 years old, big personality. She's known's known very outgoing very free-spirited she's an artist she has tattoos all over her she's just like a real like kind of cool chick here um she's got a big kind of curly hair a lot of tattoos and she loves art that's what she likes to do here is paint and do stuff like that.
She's working as a hostess and waitress

at Friendly's

on Memorial Drive in Chicopee. There you go.

So Friendly's, if you don't know, if you're not

from the East Coast, is like a

family sit-down ice cream

burger joint, basically.

It's a little diner kind of, not diner,

but like a little... Do they even exist anymore? Yeah, they're here.

They're in New York. We have them, yeah.
And like all the

Friendly's ice cream they sell at the grocery store here and shit. Their strawberry shortcake bars are top notch.
Delicious. Love them.
So she's working there. I have friends that used to work at Friendly's and used to steal the giant things of ice cream.
Awesome. Oh, yeah, they rolled them out the back.
Like the fucking 10-gallon ones. Yeah.
And then we'd put them in the car and be like, nobody has a freezer that can fit this. So we'd have to eat as much ice cream as we all could possibly fucking and then throw out afternoon throw out eight gallons of ice cream we used to steal that shit so uh she's very well known to her regular customers as being real social real energetic people used to people would request her as the wow i want to get i want amanda give me amanda really yeah she best.
So that's how people are with her. Her mother said to know her is to love her.
You would only have to meet her once, and you were forever her friend. She'd never forget you, nor would you forget her.
Crazy curly hair, stunning green eyes, covered in tattoos, her beautiful artwork. That's what her mom says.
Now, her and Seth, like i said it's a week old relationship and they are already like enmeshed after a week hot and heavy to the point where he's already living in her apartment what i mean they've known each other a week and he's already not only is he staying there every night which would be like you know things are going well he going well. He's moving his shit in there.
His stuff is there. Like, he's got a stereo and shit.
What could you have in common with somebody to start it that fast? Some people are like that. Some people, like, they.
Yeah, some people go for relationships and try to, like, be really enmeshed immediately. And, like, they're looking to be in love.
so you get two people like that who are like love at first sight people and sure especially if you're artsy and kind of free-spirited you're not really usually they don't have the most practical thoughts as far as i barely met this guy and you go with your feelings and i think that's what's going on here and he's like he's just some construction some construction guy. He's like, I'm fucking this hot art chick, dude.

She's awesome.

You know, and they both smoke weed together.

We'll talk about like, yeah, she's a cool ass chick, man.

She lives and I guess he's sort of living at 73 school street in Chicopee in a third

story apartment.

So that's where she lives.

So August 25th, 2011, it's been about a week of bliss here between Seth and Amanda. And they had a quiet night that night.
He got home from work and she did her thing and they were doing stuff. They smoked weed together that night as they do regularly.
They're both daily weed smokers, it seems like. And he is also into art stuff.
He's making jewelry while Amanda is painting that night.

Really?

Yeah.

So there's a real kind of an arts and crafts, not to be confused with Sarah Boone's arts and craft night, which is way different. So, yeah.
Very chill vibe, though. Very chill vibe.
They're kicking it, smoking weed, making shit. Like, sounds fun.
You know, you order a pizza. I'll go there.
It sounds good. Sure.
Like, I'm in. So the the next morning this is the next day august 26th 2011 seth leaves for work i assume at the crack of dawn probably because he's a construction worker or else he's late or else he's goddamn late absolutely so um she's she works the the evening shift at friendlies that night so she's doesn't have to get up in the morning.
So Seth said he called her in the afternoon of August 26th to say that he's going to be late and couldn't pick her up to get her to her job at Friendly's by 5 o'clock, as he was supposed to. He said he could, but now he's got to stay late at work.
And so he's saying, I'm going to miss you by a little bit. I can't get you there by 5.
So he's telling her that a few hours ahead of time so she can get a ride, which is fine. But already he's like they're doing like daytime calls and I can't – like they're already together.
Yeah, she's already relying on him for the ride tomorrow. That's fast.
So he said he got off of work and then drove to Friendly's to see if she had gotten picked up or not.

And if she hadn't gotten picked up yet, he was going to grab her.

So he stopped by, but she wasn't there.

So he's like, oh, okay, shit.

Or drop her off, I meant.

See if she got dropped off and say hello to her.

So he went to his grandmother's house for a little while, and then he went back to Amanda's apartment building, you know, because he sort of lives there.

He's got his shit there.

So he, when he gets back there, he sees that the porch window is broken which isn't good that's what he says he says i get there porch windows broken so then he opens the door and he said quote as soon as i walked in i saw some red in the kitchen my first impression was i thought it was paint oh. Oh, because she was painting? She's painting.
She was painting that day, and that's kind of what I wanted it to be. Then I noticed it wasn't just paint around her.
I kneeled next to her. Then he tried CPR but realized that she was dead.
And Amanda's on the floor, blood everywhere, and dead. And now he's got blood all over him, and is new and god damn it I'm a suspect oh baby so he dialed 911 and this is all his story of what he did he called 911 police arrive one of the detectives said we met the boyfriend on the back porch he was in the fetal position that's not a you know that's not not saying cold-blooded right off the bat but also people act who knows you know what i mean sure sure you show up i'm sure lots of people who cried yeah killed their whoever the fucker you know oh god oh no i mean that's what else would you be like yeah i found her i don't know fuck it i'm hold on i'm texting this chick and then like hold on wait a minute i got stuff on here.
So she said, he said there was no forced entry into her apartment, and police believed her assailant may have known her. Uh-oh.
So they get in there. There is blood on the floor, on the cabinet, on the counter.
They find bloody shoe prints on the floor. Oh.
Now, they're trying to determine. They determine it's either a men's size seven and a half yeah a women's size nine and a half yeah or a youth size seven they have not decided yet that is the uh added bonus that i have with my baby feet that's he got to yeah you will fucking find me you'll be like oh yeah look for some guy tripping over his own feet and shit they're huge they're looking for a very small man an average size woman or or a very large 12 year old one of the two or me at 12 so um they find that she has been stabbed multiple times in her side and chest and her throat was cut as well.
This is a lot. I mean, she has just been hacked up and had her throat cut.
Somebody's mad. It's overkill is what they and the detectives describe it that way, too.
They describe it as very violent, overkill, and possibly a crime of passion because this isn't like your normal robbery killing. You know, you usually kill someone as quick as you can, not really work them over with a knife.
So the bloody shoe prints, which had dried, the blood had dried on the shoe prints, which helps them determine a time of death because they can see who she was talking to and when. And after that, so they get the time of death down to between 4, 10, and 5 p.m.

So very specific.

That is inside of an hour.

Yeah, that's not bad.

That's really good.

A palm print is found on a broken window, on a window that was broken from the inside of the apartment.

Okay.

Punched out.

Punched out, which seems like that's to make it look like a robbery is what people would do.

Yeah, I can see that.

You punch out.

Nobody breaks into an apartment by punching a window out from the inside. Once you're in, you don't need to break windows.
Just go out the door. So that's another thing that's something.
And they say palm prints, by the way, are individual-like fingerprints, in case you don't know that. So if you find a palm print, that's something.
So she also sustained, Amanda did, multiple blunt force injuries to her face, head, and shoulders as well. Wow.
So she was beaten, stabbed, her throat was cut. This all seems like a lot for her, who doesn't really have any enemies or anything like that.
She's very aggressive. She had scrapes and sharp force injuries to her face, neck, chest, and abdomen, including six stab wounds and two slashes to her neck from chin to collarbone.
This is a lot. This is a lot of violence, man.
A lot of violence. She was found in a large pool of blood in the kitchen here.
Blood stains throughout the kitchen revealed that she'd been stabbed multiple times in the course of a violent struggle.

What the hell? Smears of her hands on cabinets. And I mean, that's, you can tell when there's a struggle.
According to the medical examiner, uh, who performed the autopsy, she died of injuries to her heart and liver, soft tissue and soft tissue due to stab wounds to her chest and abdomen. and they said in the course of a violent struggle,

items of evidence, including bodily fluids and blood, saliva, sweat, skin cells, are often transferred here. So they're looking for, this is 2011, so they want DNA and shit like that.
They do fingernail scrapings and everything like that. And they do find DNA under her fingernailsils it does not belong to her.
Okay. So that's an

interesting thing here.

The medical examiner said she bled

to death from a combination of stab

and cutting wounds. He said the

bleeding sent her into shock and

she would have been conscious minutes

before going into shock and would have

definitely felt the pain.

It wasn't a thing where she was killed

and didn't know what was happening. This was a

struggle and she put up a fight and it

was really bad. Now Seth

Thank you. Definitely felt the pain.
It wasn't a thing where, you know, she was killed and didn't know what was happening. This was a struggle and she put up a fight and it was really bad.
Yeah. Now, Seth Green notices that his weed that he left on the coffee table as well as his knife are not there.
Okay. My knife is missing that was on the table that probably caused all these wounds.
And my weed is missing missing which is what I notice when my girlfriend's been slaughtered in front of me

hey where's my weed which I guess maybe at that point

I'd really need some weed so I might

notice that fuck

my pipe scraper

he said he told the police that those are

the only items he could see that were missing

were his weed and his knife

so yeah

this is real weird stuff here and the

cops immediately do not trust Seth at all

no they don't trust

Thank you. were his weed and his knife so yeah this is real weird stuff here and the cops immediately do not trust seth at all no they don't trust him so they sit him down they go all right chief let's talk polygraph they don't even tell this the first thing they say is well let's do a polygraph and he says fine and he passes a polygraph test and also his shoe he has an adult foot and his shoe is not a seven and a half old man wears a 12 yeah or at least something there uh so and also the palm print does not match him either so he's cleared that's terrifying that's it he's clear that's what i mean they were hoping they could wrap this up quick and you know set this full of shit andibi was good, too.
He was at work till past five.

There's somebody with a very small foot that's capable of really awful things out there.

Really bad shit.

So they said the person she fought with left a large amount of DNA under her fingernails.

A large amount?

Large.

She was fighting for her life.

She was scratching.

She was fucking clawing this guy. She got a whole bunch of him.

Oh, yeah.

They ran the DNA through the database. no matches no so that sucks um yeah a child they don't they have tiny or a woman that's the other thing they're thinking there's no rape or anything like that so they're thinking this could be it she might have pissed a woman off who knows is set does seth green have an ex-girlfriend and stuff like that there you go you know because know, because that's what they're thinking.
They said, no, she seemed to live, you know, in her one-bedroom apartment. She didn't really, you know, have enemies.
But they said that the investigator said the impression is that she definitely knew her assailant. And she probably, this wasn't a random act, it doesn't look like.
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Now back to the show. They said we're not locked into that, but it's the initial police theory that we're working on here.
They said that there are a number of people that they've encountered while doing interviews with their friends who have information, and there are more who we know have information. We're trying to determine who we should have the most interest in.
They're just trying to figure out what to do. So anyway, her mother said that she was a very happy, positive, free spirit, spirited, bubbly, energetic person.
She always had a smile on her face and bent over backwards for anyone. A friend of hers said she was just a really down to earth, reallyth a really good person she loved music especially folk and bluegrass oh and played the acoustic guitar this chick's cool 2011 she's very fun for yeah i don't really want to listen to fucking bluegrass music that much but it's fine if she can play it that's cool that's cool shit i mean in 2011 it seems like she might be the only person on the planet that loved it.
You know, shit, who's under the age of 60 and doesn't live in Iowa. Apparently in Iowa, they love that shit.
So, uh, she was also good at tie-dye, and she would decorate shirts and blankets all the time. Uh, her last Facebook post, she joked about sunflower power.
That's the type of chick she is. You know what I mean? She's pretty cool and nice.
Her boss at Friendly's said that she's literally loved by everyone. I was absolutely shocked about what happened.
And by the way, they're making a plaque to hang in Friendly's above her. Oh, that's nice.
That's really depressing as you eat your Sunday. As I eat my fucking banana split.
That's on that. Anything to cheer me up from that fucking plaque.
No shit. This is really depressing.
So they took examination grade, as they call it, photos of the foot impressions of the bloody footprints and made impressions to do comparisons. And they called all the first responders back.
Anyone who had entered the house, photographed the bottom of their shoes.

Did anybody have tiny girl feet? Any of you guys? No? Okay. God damn it.
Yeah. They also did footwear impressions.
That's one of the things that excluded Seth Green was he was wearing leather work boots that were not seven and a half. So he's out.
The next step would be they found out the shoes are Nike's. Oh.
So they contacted Nike to try to help get help from them to determine what this was.

They determined it's an Air Max shoe.

Okay.

And we'll talk about either a nine and a half woman's or a seven and a half men.

That's what they decide.

Enter Mercedes Benz.

No shit. That's this woman's name.

It's spelled exactly like the car.

Not the car.

B-E-N-Z. Mercedes Benz.
One of Amanda's friends. She's 25.
She worked at Friendly's with Amanda and was her friend. She said that Amanda was loving and caring and would give you the shirt off your back.
Now she said she was texting back and forth with Amanda all day. She said at 4.20pm, so we can move that time of death up from between 4.20 to 5 instead of 4.10, Mercedes got a text message from Amanda that Amanda needed a ride to work.
So Mercedes said that she called Amanda just before 5 when she was about to pick her up, but Amanda didn't answer the text or her phone call. She said, said quote I sat outside about five minutes before I left and she said she wasn't concerned though because she figured because Mercedes was late to get there so she figured she must have just got another ride and now she's starting her shift and can't look at her phone so she showed up to the house and texted her and then took off? And then took off.

Oh my God.

While she was inside bleeding out on her floor.

Holy shit.

Ben's texted her and said, I asked her if she was mad at me because I was picking her up for work late.

So she thought she was mad.

Oh my God, the fucking guilt that girl must have.

And they're like, hey Mercedes, what size are your feet?

Yeah.

What shoes are you wearing? You got some big feet on you or not or not uh-huh but turns out she doesn't fit this either she doesn't fit the palm print anything so yeah we're back to this now now i was gonna say were they fighting over tables at friendlies she's not pulling her tips what's going on what's the problem so oct October of two time goes by now. Yeah.
We're up to October now. And in October, 2011, about a month and a half goes by.
And there's a guy who says he was at a party in Chicopee when a man named Gio confessed to killing Amanda. Okay.
That's he goes to the police and says that.

Now, police speak with a number of people who have been at the party

and found nobody else heard any conversation like that at all.

So this guy was saying it was like a conversation in the middle of the party,

like, yeah, I killed that chick, like with a group of people.

No one else said it happened.

So then this guy, Coggins is his last name, who went to the police,

he was charged with misleading the police.

Oh. And he pleaded guilty and served a sentence of 208 days in jail for it.
He lied for real. He lied for real for no reason.
No reason, no benefit. I don't know if he wants.
I don't understand it. So, yeah, I guess Coggins is a weed guy.
He's a weed dealer. That's what he does.
And this one guy said he talked with Coggins about doing work for him. He said Coggins, who was never paid, gave him some information, but it never led to the arrest or conviction of anyone.
So he said he no longer talked to Coggins after he was arrested for misleading police. So after that, they have nothing.
They have DNA, palm print, you know. Liar.
Liars. They got all sorts of shit but they what they don't have is a viable murder suspect is the problem what are you gonna do so weeks go by months start to go by okay no next thing that happens is november of 2012 so more than a year has gone by okay now at this point um this point, this is when a detective hears a guy named Corey Lose, L-O-S.
He comes to a detective and says, Ryan Coggins, remember the guy who misled the police? Yeah, the little liar. He's in jail at this point.
Not for that, for something else. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's in jail with this Corey Lose guy. And Corey L, came to the cops and said, this Coggins guy said he killed Amanda Plass.
He told me, he said that they were in the same pod at the jail from November 1st through November 3rd. He said on November 3rd, Coggins told him that he killed Amanda Plass.
So that's what they said. Now, as a result of the report by this guy, this Lowe's guy, about Coggins confessing, Coggins was transferred to another pod and all of that.
Now, later on, though, he's going to end up kind of dismissing himself of that story, saying that really didn't happen. He won't testify to it.
He'll take the fifth one asked about it so okay all right now mom is pissed yeah as you might imagine here um this is amanda's mom is upset um she is doing everything she can to find the murderer she sponsored road races and posted flyers in hopes of someone coming forward with some kind of evidence um yeah she started she was and she's also calling the detectives every day what do you got what are you doing what are you doing today what are you doing today guys can i meet you yeah you're not letting this go guys you're gonna fucking find this person so the detectives had to keep pouring through the evidence not saying they wouldn't have anyway but you got some lady's mom calling you every goddamn day you You better keep looking at that fucking file. So they decide that they're going to look through the photos and look through everything and look in all the photos of every single room and really concentrate on them.
Every detail. Every detail.
Maybe something got overlooked. So it's at this point where I don't know how this didn't get noticed, you know 14 months earlier is it in a picture what'd they find in a picture written on a whiteboard she has a white board that she writes shit vertically down the side is written dennis was here 8 11 11 so august, 2011, which is 15 days before the murder.

Okay.

So they're like, okay, who the fuck is Dennis and how did we not see this, number one? Right.

Because they've exhausted everything.

Every person that's been in that apartment, they've checked all their palm prints, DNA,

shoes, nothing works.

They're at the point where they're like, Dennis is written on a whiteboard.

That's fine. Who knows? We've never heard of Dennis? And we don't know.
We've never interviewed a Dennis, so we don't know what's going on here. So they're like, if Dennis was here, we should interview him.
Anyone who was in that apartment, they interviewed. And he was there a week before.
Was here. She started dating this guy.
Exactly. That, too.
Uh-huh. So detectives dig through Amanda's phone records and social media messages and ask friends and family everything.
Who's Dennis? Yeah. Nobody knows.
Nobody knows Dennis. Nobody's ever heard of Dennis.
I don't know fucking Dennis. So then they did a record search for anyone named Dennis who lived within like six blocks of her.
Does anyone around there? Is there any Dennis's around there? They found two possibilities of Dennis's. Deni.
Dennis I. Two Deni.
And they cross-referenced the numbers with the ones on her cell phone records. Does she know any of these people? So, then they find out more on that in a second.
They find out that her apartment had previously been broken into as well. Oh, but it wasn't reported to the police.
That's the thing. Witnesses told police that Amanda thought she knew who had broken in.
And in September 2011, this was right after the murder. One witness who's a former boyfriend of hers, not Seth Green, he told investigators that Amanda thought a small Puerto Rican man who lived within a short walk and whose name he thought began with a D had broken in.
Okay. Okay.
He also said he had seen the man walking around the neighborhood and would recognize him. When interviewed again in 2012, in April of 2012, the ex-boyfriend said a few days after the break-in, this guy, that the boyfriend had stayed at Amanda's place and they were hanging out together.
And he said that she called the guy who she thought had broken into her place. She got his phone number and called him.
She had his phone number because she had hung out with him one time. And we'll find out why.
Amanda had called them and this is what the guy said. Amanda had called them and I woke up.
She said he was coming over to talk about it. I was there when the guy came over.
It was about five or ten minutes later after she called. The guy was Spanish.
He was probably between 21 and 23 years old. He had short hair.
He had a little facial hair that was trimmed. He was normal thin.
Normal thin. He spoke good English.
When he came over, he was with his girlfriend or wife and their kid. they walked there they said they'd been walking and I didn't see a car pull up.
She was more heavy set and she was Spanish, meaning the girlfriend or wife. The kid was maybe three or four, a boy.
The man told Amanda it was not him. She said a neighbor who lived on the third floor had seen him on the porch and that he had told neighbors that he was waiting for her.

Meaning the guy, the short Puerto Rican guy.

So he was upset that she had called him without even asking.

They stayed for only about five minutes.

She told him that if he had the bowl, she wanted it back.

He stole a, you're saying someone broke in and stole her weed pipe.

Stole my pipe. Give my fucking bowl back.
Just give it back. That's a're saying someone broke in and stole her weed pipe so my fucking bowl back just give it back that's a big deal dude i have a ball like i've had only a few bowls that i use all the time that they're years you keep them for you clean them i mean that's a you get a bowl that works nice and hits right that's your bowl man don't fuck with my shit yeah it just doesn't feel right otherwise it's just not the same funny he's uh he said i know that she had the phone number on her dry erase boards one of those white boards with a wood frame around it okay so his d small possibly small shoes small feet sure so investigators attempt to identify a small thin hispanic male who had a confrontation with her.
And so that's what they're doing.

They come up with two Dennis's, two Deni.

Number one is a guy named Dennis

who lives in the vicinity of her apartment here.

The first, he had previously resided at,

he doesn't live there anymore,

but he had lived around there.

He had an extensive board of probation record, including a number of violent crimes. Okay.
Now, the woman he was living with at the time appeared to be a heavyset white female, not a Hispanic woman like the other one. So they don't know if that's the same or people break up and get back.
Who knows? So anyway, investigators obtained her cell phone records, and his telephone number does not appear in any of their records. They really liked this guy for a second, though.
Then they run into Dennis number two. This is Dennis Rosa Roman with a dash.
Rosa dash Roman. Okay, Roman, Roman, whatever.
He's born in 1991, young guy. He has a police record of breaking and entering.
A number of those. Drug distribution and was convicted of domestic violence on his fiance as well.
He's so young. He's a real full house of asshole.
This guy. He's got it all.
Three kings and two domestic violences he's doing great that's a full

house right i think so so the background search on him revealed he had all these crimes but there's

no palm print on file for him because they only take palm prints during a major crime felony they

didn't consider any of these a major crime to take a palm print otherwise it's just fingerprints

so he had previously resided at 53 cabot street number 2r which is about four blocks from the home

Thank you. to take a palm print.
Otherwise, it's just fingerprints. So he had previously resided at 53 Cabot Street, number 2R,

which is about four blocks from the home of Amanda.

He resided with a heavyset Hispanic female.

Things are starting to line up here.

They had a four-year-old son.

This is all lining up.

So they reported that on March 9, 2011, and on March 17, 2012, listed as the home telephone. Oh, they got his phone number here.
His number does appear in her cell phone records. Uh-oh.
Yeah. According to the records, there was a total of nine calls between Amanda's phone and his phone.
Four of the nine were outgoing calls from Amanda's phone. Five were him calling her.
Fuck, she wants that bowl. She wants her fucking bowl back.
Don't take my shit. The duration of the calls varied from a few seconds to 89 seconds, but they all occurred on July 28th, 2011.
And the last call was at 1126 AM that time. So, okay, we know wow so that's what we know now october 29th 2013 is when they talked to dennis so it's been two fucking years yeah so um now they talked to him i'm sorry they talked to uh the based on and like we said this is based on um the ex-boyfriend.
They bring the ex-boyfriend in to say this is we have this guy. Is this the guy you saw? Is this your Dennis? Yeah.
Before they say we know you were over there because the boyfriend said so. They want to make sure now she she he said that day that Amanda had awoken him and said that she called the person.
He was on his way over. So could you wake up and be over here? When Dennis arrived, Amanda was on the back porch, and it was 15 minutes later.
This guy said that they showed him a photo array containing 10 pictures, including Dennis, and he said none of the pictures rung a bell. However, he wrote also, I didn't see any features I could remember.
I know it definitely wasn't number six because i know that guy so it's definitely not it's definitely not frank but it's not any of the other nine either the other might be a dennis there might be a dennis you never know so they find dennis here on the 29th um they call him and he said he was busy so they go they go find him on the street. And he says, I'm busy.
And they go,

well, you're free to go. And he wanted to walk away, but the officers just

walked with him. They go, you're free to go.
And he goes, okay,

turns away. And then they walk with him.
Well, we're free to walk with you.

So one guy, Trooper... You're free to go anywhere you want.

I mean, yeah, we'll just, we'll follow you, but you can go

there. Trooper Gibbons here

walked and talked with Rosa,

with Dennis, while the other three officers followed. He asked what they wanted to talk about.
And the trooper said that we want to go to the police station to talk with you. And he said, I don't want to go to the police station.
When he was through this, he lit a cigarette, appeared very nervous. He asked what it was all about.
They said, well, we don't want to talk about it on the street. We'd rather do it in the police station here.
And he said that if I know what it's all about i'll meet with you in a few days a few days if you tell me when i'm not busy yeah so the trooper asked him if he knew a girl from chicopee named amanda he said i know a lot of girls from chicopee and a few of them are named amanda really is that right how many amandas do you know from one town in central Massachusetts?

None.

I don't know one.

I don't know any.

Giant city.

Yeah.

He asked, did something happen to this girl?

Because I don't ever go to Chicopee anymore.

And the trooper said it was Amanda who had tattoos on her chest.

Do you know that one?

Tattoos, lots of tats.

And he said, oh, yeah, I know her.

They said, when were you last in Chicopee?

He said it was a long time, a couple years. When asked if he had a girlfriend in Chicopee, he said yes, you know, all of that.
He asked, can I go now? But the trooper asked him for a telephone number saying, because he said he would call. So, you know, just in case we get mixed up here.
He finished smoking a cigarette and threw it out of the pavement. Oh, my dummy.
a. A female with a child came out of a building, and he said he had to leave because this is his girlfriend and kid.
So they left. Okay.
Trooper said, great, and picked up his fucking cigarette, obviously, and put that in the goddamn bag for later. We'll have that.
Some DNA on that. So there's there.
Later that day, Dennis and his girlfriend went to the home of a friend of theirs named Melissa Hoy.

Now, Melissa Hoy is not a confidant that you should be telling things to because I know this because she went and told the police all this shit. This guy, yeah, Dennis told Melissa Hoy about his encounter with police.
So Melissa Hoy asked him whether the investigation concerned the victim, Amanda, and he said, I don't know. so then

Hoy showed him a picture of Amanda

from the internet and said

was it about this chick? Oh, it was on her phone, not even on the Internet. So it was off her phone.
And she said that he got really quiet and put his head down. He admitted that he knew her and sold her weed occasionally.
Okay. That night, Dennis returned to Hoy's home and apologized for lying to Hoy and his girlfriend.
He said that he told them that he had gone to the victim's house to deliver weed that night, actually, of the murder. But he said he didn't kill anybody or see any death.
He said he heard voices outside from the inside.

He heard voices.

And he said an unknown white male opened the victim's door, grabbed the bag of weed out of his hand and told him to get the fuck out of here and not come back.

Now, when you're delivering weed, you don't have it in your hand like a pizza, by the way.

It's in your pocket till you get in there.

And not in 2011.

Yeah.

Jesus.

So November 1st, he calls Gibbons and says that i gotta talk to you i need to talk to you right now dennis calls the cops okay he said that yeah i gotta get down there he said that it's been bothering him for two years since it happened he said i have to tell you something about that girl amanda bothering me the trooper asked if he would come to my office in Springfield. Dennis said no.
He said, okay, well, meet me in front of the Westfield police station. So they do.
They go over there. They're inside.
They go. He agrees to meet with him there.
So they bring him into an interview room. He's advised of his rights, waives those, everything like that.

He tells officers here that he had met her once two weeks before the murder.

He said on the day of the murder, Amanda called him to ask for weed.

Wanted to buy some weed.

When he approached the back door, he could hear a male voice arguing with Amanda.

And he knocked on the door and an unknown male answered and took the weed from him. And that was that.
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In the early hours of December 4th, 2024,

CEO Brian Thompson stepped out onto the streets of Midtown Manhattan. This assailant starts firing at him.
And the suspect. He has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangione.
Became one of the most divisive figures in modern criminal history. I was meant to sow terror.
He's awoken the people to a true issue. Listen to Law crimes luigi exclusively on wondery plus you can

join wondery plus in the wondery app spotify or apple podcasts he said he feared for his life

because this unknown male and um and the male that had another guy had been following him in

different cars so he goes now they're after me yeah so he said i'm here to get i need protection

from you guys i need police protection fascinating story he said i've never been inside her apartment

Thank you. So he goes, now they're after me.
So he said, I'm here to get, I need protection from you guys. I need police protection.
Fascinating story. He said, I've never been inside her apartment.
That's what he says now. Never been in, which we know isn't true.
He said, I've never been inside her apartment. Well, I guess they talked on the back porch when he came over one time.
So yeah, he said that never at all, he'd never been inside and that he identified a friend who was with him on the day that he got into the apartment he said that he'd been hanging out with his friend and the friend waited in the front of the home while he went around the back and the two left together on foot after they swiped the weed out of his hand so the cop said hey can we maybe get some dna from you and he said yeah sure and then he said didn't you guys already take a cigarette off me anyways? He fucking knew. Oh, he saw it.
He knew. He said, I know you're investigating me no matter what.
So, um, and anyway, he signs a statement, gives DNA. That's November 1st.
November 5th, okay, they approach him at his home and request another interview. They want to do some follow-up shit.
He said he's willing to speak, but he's currently babysitting his girlfriend's baby, he can't go down his kid not even his kid so they said well what if we get you come down to the station with the kid and we'll have an officer watch the kid at the station i mean we got blocks we got plenty of shit yeah there's those little molestation rooms we bring them in to talk about shit they can play with the dolls that the kids point to for trouble they can play with the bad spot dolls they don't know they're they're for. The kid's four.
He doesn't know that it's a molestation doll. He has no idea.
Yeah. We call that the bloodhound gang doll.
Yeah, you know, it's fine. So they do that.
He says, okay. At the start of the interview, he was friendly, laughing, and then he was expressing concern that his girlfriend may be angry if she found out that he had brought her child to the police station.
So he said, I really want to help you guys, though. He said, this is terrible.
You guys need help. I got to help you guys out.
You know what I'm saying? You need people to help. I can understand that.
I'm one of those people. He said, you got questions for me, man.
Let's go. Like, let's do it.
He's got to know they have DNA that's in question. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. He's ballsy, man.
Then he said, I got to get out of here before my girlfriend gets out of work. She's going to be mad at me.
He said, I just have to hurry up. My girl's going to be out soon.
Shit like that. My girl is getting out soon.
I have the keys. I have her house keys and her phone.
I'm trying to wrap this up. She's going to be pissed.
He said that, yes, Amanda bought marijuana from him on multiple occasions, and on one occasion, they spoke on the back porch. He showed the defendant a picture of a dry erase board with the phrase, Dennis was here written on it.
Right. Remember when this happened? He previously denied being inside the apartment, but he admitted that, yes, he did step inside just to sign the dry erase board.
Oh, he wrote it? Yeah, Dennis was here. He wrote it.
He said, I wrote it. Oh, my God.
He said that the board was located by the back door and that her bedroom did not look the way it was pictured in the photograph at the time. And they said, well, how do you know this room didn't look like this? And he said, all I seen was a bed in her room.
That's about it. So they said, did you ever smoke weed with her inside the apartment? And he said, yeah, I lit a bowl once in the kitchen, placed the lighter on the counter, and sat down on the couch.
And then he said, well, I have been inside her house, but I just don't want people to look at me like I'm a fucking murderer. So I lied to police about it because that makes you look like less of a murder he then said I seen that shit go down I heard that shit and I'm scared so now he's saying I was there yeah I was more than a murder yeah they said well you know we've done a lot of processing on the scene and you know he said well my fingerprints might be on a glass cup on the table on a doorknob maybe and he said what did you guys find i want to know i bet you do you do that's called explain it away that's called discovery and your lawyer will find that out after your charge you'll know later so he the cop said that they found quote some things underneath the victim's fingernails and asked if he had ever had a fight with amanda or a scuffle and he said no of course not and they said okay well we're trying to find the friend that you said that was with it with you on the day of the murder um that you said but we looked him up and he was in jail that day like the whole day like woke up in jail went to bed in jail and then a few more days he said that's impossible they were like no no it's right here on the paper he was in there state logs we got he's definitely there yeah he was there we know when people are in jail yeah so yeah he said that look i went there i gave her weed through the window at different times she asked me about the theft in her house which i didn't do he said i did write dennis was here we smoked weed together um after they showed him pictures of the crime scene he became upset and he said you guys trying to do what what's up i don't have no time here i gotta go i gotta get out of here this is crazy you guys are fucking with me and he wanted to leave and they said well we're investigating still and he said all right but this like i want to know like this i want i want to know like this ain't cool he said this ain't cool you guys are real good at this and i'm not yes this is bad so oh my god so he's like yeah this is fucked up and he said i gotta go and they said well you know why do you think she might have been killed and he said i don't know maybe she owed some money or stole drugs from someone and maybe a fucking dealer got mad at her or something they were like okay um then they were asking him about the the day of she called me to get weed and they said well there's no telephone's no telephone records of that.
And he said, I smoke so much weed, I don't remember a lot of things, and maybe I got my days mixed up. That's what he said.
You're in your 20s. Your brain's that much already? That fried by 21.
Yeah. So then they go to him, and they go, well, you know what you probably can see and what we can easily remember is these are DNA results.
Yeah. See those? They say that they're under, your shit's under her fingernails.
How do you explain that? Yeah. And he said, okay, yeah, check it out.
All right, fine. This is what happened.
I tried to save her from the killer. That's what happened.
Okay. They said, well, who was the killer? And he said, I can't tell you that.
I'm too scared.

She claws up her white knight.

Yeah, that's what it is.

Well, yeah, that's what he said.

So nearly two hours into the interview, by the way, Gibbons, the trooper, stepped out of the room for nine minutes, at which time he learned that's the first time.

That's when the DNA came in was then.

So then he went back and was like, hey, we got your DNA.

And his response was, I know the fucking murderer murderer and i tried to save her life okay he said i know the motherfucker all right this i'm this is exact quotes the sergeant said you know what and he said i know the motherfucking murderer i tried to save her life and they go what did you do and he said i know the fucking murderer and they said what did you do to try to save her life and he said i tried to grab her and the guy fucking tossed me down the stairs look at me i'm a little guy i'm a little guy look at my shoes they're tiny they said so why don't you tell me the whole story tell me everything that happened and he said i can't he's gonna fucking kill me and they said well why don't you tell me everything that happened and right he said again he's gonna fucking kill me what the fuck do i do and they said well why don't you tell us everything that happened? And he said again, he's going to fucking kill me. What the fuck do I do? And they said, well, why don't you tell us everything that happened? Yeah.
And he said, I know the fucking murderer. That's all I know.
I can't give you any more. So we're like, okay.
He tried to explain. He said, I tried to grab her.
The guy fucking tossed me down the stairs. Then he said, I want a lawyer.
I want to go home. I want to get out of here.
I want a lawyer. That's it.
And he got up and tried to leave, and they said, well, you're under arrest, asshole. Your DNA is under somebody's shit.
He tried to resist being arrested. Of course, yeah.
Obviously, with all of this, and he repeatedly interrupted the booking process to tell police that they had arrested the wrong person, and now you're his family in danger okay all right yeah that is fucking wild um he also he said that he's sorry um he apologized for not he said the victim grabbed me and i'm sorry i didn't try to save her harder while they're driving to jail uh the transporting officer dr or david gag. What is it with cops named Gagnon?

Gagnon.

I don't get it.

Testified there was no conversation during the transport except when Dennis asked if they could stop at his girlfriend's house to tell her that he loved her.

Sure.

Sure thing.

He's a real romantic, this fucking guy.

That's one thing.

You guys drop me by the friendlies and drop me a frost.

I really want to get a sundae. They're really good.
Butterscotch, please. Get her a nice shake, a goodbye shake.
Fuck, man. So he is printed, and they do the major crime prints this time, informed of Miranda rights.
And again, he says at this police station, I went there to smoke. I went there to hang out with her that day.
We smoked weed. I was there for about two hours.
She told him to come back later to smoke more. He said, I lied about my friend.
I wasn't with my friend, but I just wanted to say I was with my friend because I hated him and I wanted to get him into trouble. Okay.
He's got so many stories. He said as he approached the apartment, he could hear the victim screaming.
Stop, stop, stop, stop. This isn't right.
Stop, stop. He said he heard the sound of glass breaking.
He pushed in the door and entered the house and found the assailant and the victim in the kitchen. He said the assailant was on top of the victim.
He said he tried to separate them when the assailant pushed him back and brandished a knife. He then said that the victim grabbed him when he tried to help her off the floor.
He said he fought with the assailant and eventually was punched in the jaw before or repeatedly before fleeing out the door. I'm just a little guy.
He said, I feared for the safety of my family. That's why I lied.
And they said, they said, please identify this other person. And he said, I can't say nothing.
I really can't. I hold to my word.
I can't say nothing. And they said, hold to your word to who? And they said, you're going to jail.
Who are you holding words for? And he said, I know I'm going to jail, so I'm not saying no more. I'm so sorry.
You have to charge me with this shit. I'm done.
You can try this shit, but I'm done. So, yeah, he said, you know, he said after the murder, he looked down and said, wow, how do I get myself out of this? Yeah.
So he wants his statements tossed, by the way. All those.
Yeah. Yeah.
I want all that shit gone. I want to do my own story.

One draft.

He said officers lied and used trickery to obtain subsequent statements. Now, he said that it's all bullshit.
They showed me gruesome pictures. It was very upsetting and I wanted to stop the interview.
I told them I wanted to go home, but they would not let me. That's what he said.
So here um or the uh the judge here says that no you you he at one point he said i don't know what's going on you guys are trying to pin this on me you guys trying to what what's up because i don't have no time here i gotta go what's up so he said that was an invocation of his rights. Oh.
I got to go. What's up? Which is not.
You have to say specific fucking things here. So basically what they rule is that everything he said is fine and it's all in except that when he is brought out of the room and in the booking process, he said some shit.
All that is tossed out. That's after know he pulled his rights and everything like that but the rest of the conversations on the way to jail and everything else and on when he got to jail and started saying more shit he was re-mirandized so okay the shit that in the room counts the shit outside the room doesn't and then when they get back in another room that counts too okay all.
So the trial comes up here. The jury is taken to both Amanda's and his apartment to see the crime scenes.
They really want to take them just to walk them from one to the other to show how close they are, just to show he had an opportunity here. The the low sky was on the defense witness list because he's the guy who said that Coggins guy admitted to it.
But before the trial began, he was brought into court and he chose to take his Fifth Amendment right to not testify. OK.
And that was that for that for that guy there. Now, in opening openings here, the the prosecutor tells the jurors that they're going to hear from Amanda's friends.
They're going to hear from Mercedes Benz. Yeah.
Very exciting. The, uh, you know, who to, to, you know, put the time of death in there.
Um, they said, little did Mercedes Benz know that Amanda Plass was lying in her kitchen on the floor, stabbed to death while she was texting her. She said, you'll see pictures of the crime scene showing the struggle that occurred in the kitchen and how she was stabbed all over the kitchen.
All this shit. The defense said, this is insane.
They said, it's not my guy. It's another guy, a drug dealer who's the killer.
My guy doesn't want to identify him because he doesn't think the police can protect him. But, you know, he did not do it.
He knows the guy who did, though. That's what he said.
He said he could have told, but he did not give up this guy's name because he's a man of honor. That's what it is.
So all the defense keeps bringing up is this Coggins guy. Well, he said he did it.
Well, he said he did it. Well, he said he did it.
By the way, they found out that the guy who said that Coggins said he did it and him never actually shared a pod at all. What the fuck? They were never together in jail.
The guy made it up right at it, pulled it directly from his asshole.

I wish these people would stop this shit.

Stop it.

So that's, I mean, they bring the DNA evidence.

Dennis doesn't testify.

It's not much of a trial.

No.

DNA, evidence, footprint.

And opportunity.

His foot matches, by the way.

It's a seven and a half.

It's ridiculous.

So the whole thing is fucking crazy.

During closing arguments, they say that she was killed as a part of a robbery in which he took marijuana, her cell phone, and her boyfriend's knife. That's all.
It's pretty cut and dry here. They said, quote, there was no other guy, just the defendant.
And the defense lawyer said, everything she said but the opposite. Right.
And then he sat down. so the jury goes out for five hours of deliberation which really

seems like a lot in this case in this case yeah they probably sat there trying to debate why why did he do it like what but why does it matter yeah yeah his dna his foot everything's there he's the guy who fucking did it i mean yeah i'm did it finger the dna under the fingernails i'm like well there you go goodbye asshole footprint in her blood you were there in her blood and the palm print in the broken window and you're gonna say that you were trying to keep a person from killing her that's not believable and guess what if i no matter how afraid i am of somebody if i'm on the fucking stand saying i'm murderer, I'm giving that asshole up. We're not in the mafia here.
You know what I mean? We're just, this is crazy. The other part is like, even if he said another guy did it, well, there's no other evidence of somebody else even being there.
That's the point. Where's his DNA? Where's his footprints in the blood? He floated above the mix? Yeah.
You know, he levitated. Drug dealer.
Everybody watch out. Jesus killed her.
Watch out. He floats.
The man floats. He moves around.
So he is found guilty of first degree murder, which is in the commission of a robbery and everything else. Not good.
Not good. During sentencing, her mom testifies and says, that is Amanda's mom, said that she would stop and give you her jacket if she saw you in the cold.
Wouldn't hesitate to hand over money for food if you were standing on the corner. It didn't faze her to pick out all the red gummy bears for a child Sunday while working a shift at Friendly's.
A kid who didn't like the red ones, apparently. She said a life is taken too soon.

The loss is felt every day, whether it's a song, a sight or thought, something that that is lived with every day. So obviously this is very hard on the family and everything like that.
So the judge says, calls it an unspeakable horror. Agreed.
That brought unbearable pain and unthinkable grief.

And says to the family, to her family, you all have my utmost respect for your strength and courage.

What the court can do for you, can't bring your daughter back, but I can bring justice to this case.

And he might as well have said, and this asshole in front of me.

You, sir, may fuck off life without parole for my man dennis here not bad so this is him to work in a chocolate factory

the rest of his life there you go so now shit gets real weird by the way how okay this is a

total side story to this trial that didn't come out for a while 2013 two years after uh the

I'm going to go ahead and get some more information. by the way how okay this is a total side story to this trial that didn't come out for a while 2013 two years after uh the murder it is revealed that two chickpea police officers who had been assigned to guard the door until direct detectives arrived took photographs with their personal cell phones the pictures were shared with other police officers and with coaches at a youth football game.
Why do all these cops think that that's so fucking funny? Hey, your kid's really coming along at linebacker. Want to see a chick carved up? What the fuck, man? Want to see a 20-year-old? This is Sergeant.
Bet you've seen some crazy shit. Oh, I'll send you a picture.
Oh, I got it. Sergeant Keith LeMay and Officer Terry Deck each snapped photographs of the bloody scene on the third floor apartment with their cell phones.
He's a shit. Deck passed the photograph on to nine fellow officers.
LeMay later showed a photograph while explaining the importance of not contaminating the crime scene, then sent the photo to him at his request. Then this other guy passed it on to another cop who later showed it to parents at a youth sporting event.
Yeah. Way to take your job seriously, dickheads.
Wow. About two months later, the district attorney learned of the photo sharing and told the mayor.
Said the mayor was deeply troubled by the allegations. Yeah.
So the police chief, who was then deputy chief in charge of internal affairs, conducted an investigation. Goddard was charged with incompetence and then...
Incompetence. the guy in charge of internal affairs, conducted an investigation.
Goddard was charged with incompetence and then incompetence. The guy in charge.
Awesome. The officers were reprimanded and had to work some shifts without being paid.
Okay. Now, he did the prosecutor, the district court judge, concluded they could not be prosecuted.
family sues yeah good the city and the police department and everybody else for unauthorized distribution of these fucking things they said it was intentional reckless extreme and outrageous and the suit is settled for a hundred thousand dollars then sergeant jeffrey good air gets fired you cost us a hundred grand. Right.
So. You've been adjudicated incompetent.
Yeah, adjudicated a fucking moron. Moron.
How's that? Good? Excellent. I hope you work at friendlies, you piece of shit.
Now, in 2017, On the Case with Paula Zahn does a story on here. Sensational, yeah.
Yeah. February 2020, he gets his job back.
Jeffrey Goddard gets his fucking job back. Yes, he went to a commission, a civil service commission, ruled that he would be demoted to patrolman because of his conduct.
This was the second time in his career as a police officer that he won an appeal with the Civil Service Commission. In 2016, the commission ruled in his favor after he was demoted for patrolman to patrolman for untruthfulness in a burglary case.
Fire this asshole! Why does he keep his job? What the fuck? Where there's smoke, there's fire. He's a bad cop.
Fuck that guy. You suck.
Fuck you, dude. Fuck you, Jeffrey Gauder.
Wow. Please, I won't drive through your town so you can't pull me over ever no lick my ass you fucking jerk off fuck you eat my balls in my opinion you're a terrible fucking cop you're an adjudicated moron moron idiot jesus fuck that guy that guy's gonna get a pension that's I hope not.
So the family wants a new law. And this has been going on since 2014 of we want a law that says that you can't do this, basically.
Yeah, cops sharing shit is disgusting. It should be illegal.
Yeah. Amanda's sister said, we need to actually tell people they can't do this and need to make sure there's a consequence because those officers really didn't receive a consequence.
Yeah. And they didn't.
So that's the problem. By the way, Dennis Appeals saying that the police officers violated his Miranda rights throughout the booking procedure and all that kind of shit.
They say, no, get the fuck out of here. Eat dicks, jerk off.
So One Deadly Mistake is another show that airs an episode on this in 2022, I believe, the 2021 called Hidden in Plain Sight. Then 2022, the law is passed here.
It is called Amanda's Law. That's nice.
It's against the law in Massachusetts for first responders to take unauthorized photographs of crime scenes now. Wow.
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. They said, you know, one of the people said, who's a mother, oh, I'm sorry, her mother, it's actually Amanda's mother, said, you know you could be on the internet one day and up pops an image of your child laying in a pool of blood.
Once those pictures are out there, they're out there and you can't take them back. She said yeah body cameras should never be turned off that wasn't the issue the issue was personal cell phones because people are like well they're on body cam right so the issue is personal cell phones and distributing them you you also need like a a court order to be able to look at the body cam footage and the cops don't have cops don't have ability to share that with their fucking football coach.
Yeah, they can't download that to their phone and show everybody. So it was dubbed Amanda's Law and it was first introduced by State Rep Joe Wagner who refiled it each time the bill failed to make it across and be passed.
He kept refiling it. He said from that tragedy will come a good piece of law that will help other families who have had family members who are victims of serious crimes.
Amanda is buried at the Chicopee Hamden County in Chicopee and Hamden County at the St. Rose de Lima Cemetery.
So she is there. Currently, Dennis is at the Sousa Baranowski Correctional Facility in Maximum Security, and I'm sure having a wonderful time being a very tiny man in jail.
He's in Max? Oh, boy. Oh, fuck yeah, he's in Max.
He's a fucking violent murderer. He stabbed a chick six times and cut her throat.
He's in fucking Max. He's in trouble, yeah.
You're not getting lower for that shit. I'd like to show that cop where on the doll he can stick a badge.
That's for sure. No shit.
What a scumbag. So anyway, that's Chicopee, Massachusetts.
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