#558 - Helping Mom With Murder - Grovetown, Georgia

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Jimmy, we'll mispronounce your name said, I think it's time, everybody, to sit back. What do you say, everybody? Let's all clear the lungs, arms to the sky.
Let's all shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.
Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going down to Georgia. Okay.
Let's go, you old rascally devil. Quickly, before we go, though, before we get in the car here, quick program note, the next small town murder episode after this, the next regular one that comes out Wednesday night, Thursday, that will be our 1,000th episode of crime and sports and Small Town Murder combined.
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It's not there. But this will be our 1,000th episode, which is a goddamn big fucking deal, everybody.
Let's just say it that way. It's a lot of minutes.
It's a lot of minutes. It's a lot of hours.
And wow, there's so much hours goes into it. So thank you, everybody, for helping us get to 1,000.
And hopefully we will get to another 1,000. So that said, Grovetown, Georgia.
Let's do it. This is eastern Georgia near the South Carolina border.
It's about 20 minutes to Augusta, outside of Augusta, Georgia. Two hours over to Atlanta, over to the west there.
And about an hour 20 to Rutledge, Georgia, which is our last Georgia episode, A Deadly Love. And that was a weird one.
So I remember that. It's been a minute.
This is in Columbia County. Population here, by the way, has really spiked in the last like 20 years in this area.
It's 15,608, which it was like 3,000 20 years ago. So it's gone up a lot.
Median household income here around the rest of the country, it's about $69,000. Here it is $63,860.
Median home price here, $279,300. So that's lower than the national average also.
And the motto here, a community that cares. There it is.
Which just sounds like a hospital's motto. It doesn't sound like the whole town.
Come to our town. It's a hospital.
Enjoy. Take care.
Check in. History of this town.
In the 1860s, the town was known as Bel Air, which is pretty funny. Yeah.
That would have been way different if that's where they put Will Smith. Yeah.
In that year. In any year.
What are you talking about? 2024. That would have been not great.
It was officially incorporated, the city, on January 1st, 1881. The name of the small village came from the Old Grove Baptist Church that was founded in 1808.
That's where the Grove came from in there. A, um, they had, there was a poet here, the poet famous in the post civil war era named Paul Hamilton Hain.
He, Oh, I thought it was corpse Hill. That's why I'm saying this, but it's not, I don't read it well enough.
It's a core Hill. It's copse Hill, C O P S E.
And IE. And I was like, he moved to Corpse Hill? What the hell is that about? Then he also solicited the U.S.
Postal Service to establish a Grove Town Post Office. That's how he got it.
So that's how they got the post office. It was a poet.
I wonder if he wrote them in poetry. I would.
If he got the skill, why not, right? I think he wrote the Neither Rain Sleep Snow. I'll tell you what.
I think he wrote all that. I'll give you guys a motto if you do this for me.
Also, it was a lot of people from Augusta, wealthy people from Augusta, had summer homes in Grovetown. So that was a big deal there.
They'd come out here to relax. And then they found out about Hilton Head.
Yeah, I guess if you want to go further. It's right there.
Yeah. And they built a hotel known as The Eagle in the 1880s as well.
The Roseland Hotel turned into The Eagle. Sounds great.
Reviews of this town. Here we go.
We don't know shit about it. Maybe these people do.
Five stars. I moved to Grovetown, Georgia from a small city in Mississippi five years ago.
And I have to say I haven't regretted making the decision. I'm sure.
I bet. I'm a small-town girl, but moving here has allowed me to meet new people and be a part of such a positive, diverse environment.
What town are you from? This is the big city. 15,000 people in the middle of fucking nowhere.
The big city. Wow.
Wow. Holy shit.
Super diverse environment.

I've learned new things.

I've been exposed to more opportunities they can truly say are shaping me into a wonderful young lady.

She is so proud of herself.

Wow.

I truly love this city.

Yeah.

Use that term loosely.

Yeah.

Lady.

Three stars.

If you enjoy medium town living, what the hell does that mean? Medium size or is it just mid? Like to use your stupid opinions thing here. Everybody's got a medium sized dick.
Yeah, if you enjoy medium town living, then Grove Town is the place for you. It's within the suburbs of Augusta.
It's small enough where families actually know each other, but big enough to have nice activities, dinners, and theaters for families. Okay, that's fine.
That makes sense. It's not so small that there's, you know, one little restaurant that closes at seven o'clock or something.
And then finally, two stars. The city does its best to be progressive, like with bike lanes, although minimal, and keeping the area looking tidy and festive when it applies.
The parks are an amazing place to visit. I lived near the middle and high school and appreciated the fact that kids would walk there on foot and the sheriff department would control traffic for them.
The regular people, though, are snobby and quite rude. That just tells me the kids can't smoke weed on the way home from school, which sucks.
That would have been my concern as a kid. This sucks.
Go away. I'll dodge cars.
Yeah, I don't want i don't want to i want to smoke this the regular people though are snobby and quite rude the drivers are maniacs and regularly put everyone in danger regularly everyone even if you're not on the road you're in danger on the sidewalk and everything even if you're in your living room danger yeah. They're coming right through the wall.
Town full of dirt boys.

Things to do here.

The Columbia County Fair

is the main thing to do here.

There's some events going

on here. There is, I don't know what this is, a

banana derby.

A banana derby. I don't know

what the fuck a banana derby is exactly.

You gotta put it in your ass.

I was gonna say, who's got the biggest... Run a 5K.

Who's got the biggest dick here? It's the banana

derby. The Master Chainsaw

Thank you. the fuck a banana derby is exactly you gotta you gotta put it in your ass to say who's got the biggest run a 5k who's got the biggest dick here it's the banana derby the master chainsaw carver will be there sure of course obviously i don't know if he has anything to do with the banana derby but i wouldn't want to piss that guy off if he's gonna swing in that chainsaw the american motor drome company drome d-r-o-m- Company Wall of Death.
The fuck is that? I have no idea what that is at all. Is that the dome that they ride motorcycles inside of? I don't know.
I have no idea. It's got to be.
You could suggest a hundred things and I'd say I don't know. I have no idea what that is.
Magic Man T.J TJ Hill will be strolling each night.

Then Dr. Magical Balloons will be there also.

Oh, my God.

There's nothing more annoying than when they send a roving magician around. That's the most annoying.

It just pops up next to you and he's like, want to see a card trick?

No, I don't.

I'd be friends with an asswipe like you if I fucking wanted to see a card trick,

but I'm not on purpose.

Also, the Goat Island Petting Zoo.

I assume there's goats.

The 4-H

Grow Here Pollinator

Garden and Hay Bales.

That's an event.

And that's what I mean. I saw that and I was like, oh, I

remember the pollinator. And then finally

your bands here. Able Cricket

will be here. Sure.
A-B- then major sound okay it sounds like a an army major who's in the wrong business great demolition derby um columbia oh entertainment doug james and the stage hand band it's a good sign that's where most of the good musicians come from columbia county fair doesn't get anybody that's not even nelly not even ludicrous will come here that's crazy um mix a lot anything jay and the bootleggers will be there okay and also salt run um tony sucks tony howard uh motown and tina turner review so that's all j songs, you know. That's fine, at least.
And then finally, Little Roy and Lizzie will be there. I'm a gas.
Horrifying. I am so upset.
That is a bad festival right there. That's a terrible day.
It's a bad day. No matter what night you're there, the music is not going to be any better.
That said, let's talk murder shall we all right let's do this all right let's talk about a woman first here uh laverne we'll talk about she doesn't go by laverne though she goes by k uh laverne well laverne katherine sanner is her name she was born with later she'll beons. And it makes sense maybe why she dropped the Laverne

because she's born in February of 1968.

So that means...

Fuck, shit, damn it.

Yeah, 10 years when she's 9, 10.

I mean, that is Laverne, Laverne and Shirley Laverne.

They named me this long before the goddamn show.

Penny Marshall, I hate you is what she says.

She hates Penny Marshall a lot.

So now she's Kay, which is funny because

Catherine usually isn't Kay anyway.

Kay just seems like...

Kathy? Yeah, Kathy or

Kate even, but not usually

Kay. I never heard Kay from that,

but whatever. She's born in Connellsville,

Pennsylvania.

That's where she's born. To

parents Arthur and Mabel

Sanner. Sounds like she was born in 1868, not 1968.
She has three brothers and three sisters. So it's her and a Brady Bunch there.
She graduated from Laurel Highlands High School there and met a man named David Parsons after high school and gets married and becomes Kay Parsons. And David is in the Army.
So he's a career Army guy. He's going to be in for, I think, 20 years, and then he's going to get out of the Army.
Oh, yeah. And she liked it.
She liked the lifestyle. They have a son here as well.
In 1997, they have a son together named Derek. And she is all about being a all about being a mom and into the army wife thing too.
Very much into her kids into baseball. Her kids very much into Little League.
She's a big baseball mom type of thing. You know what I mean? Goes to church and all that stuff.
Typical kind of suburban mom family here. Southern mom, too.
Absolutely. And he's a – David, when he retires from the military, he takes a job as a contractor there.
So he's doing that. For the military, yeah? Yes.
So he's doing – I don't know if he's working for the military or actually hammering nails into shit. I'm not sure.
One of the two. So they live at 229 Hot Springs Drive, which is a four-bedroom, three-bath, almost 2,500 square foot, very comfortable house.
Doing great. Not bad for three-people family.
It was sold in 2022 for $316,500. Wow.
Not bad. Very affordable.
Yeah. Not bad down there.
And this is a neighbor of hers says, Kay is just a wonderful, wonderful person. She, her husband, and Dave, who recently retired from the Army, really live for their son, Derek.
I can tell you those three did everything together. Derek is their pride and joy.
I'll bet. So it's just a very family-oriented family.
That's all there. They just got the one kid, huh? That's it, the one kid.
That's it. What a dream.
That's not bad at all. As I say, especially her coming from a family of seven, I feel like that's on purpose.
Probably, yeah. We're having one kid, period.
I'm not having 12 kids running around my goddamn house. He's going to want for a big family later, but for now, he should just be really thrilled that he gets to be an only child.
That's awesome. Yeah, it's great.
I never had a problem with it. It was fine.
Great. A neighbor of theirs recalled vacationing with the Parsons in Panama City, Florida, which I don't know if I'd call that a vacation so much as just— Well, it depends on when you go.
If you go to spring break, that's a fucking nightmare. I think Panama City, Florida, really, at any time of year is really not anywhere I'd want to be personally.
Yeah, I don't want to hang out there. It depends, though, if that's if that's your scene like that, that kind of like murky shit.
If you're trash. Yeah, sure.
Yeah. I'm going to say that period period.
If you're trash and you want to just be trash on an off weekend, that sounds awesome. But if you want to be trash amongst millions of trash, no thank you.
That's awful. That sounds horrible, yeah.
College trash, fuck that. This guy says, K's an adventurer.
We were on jet skis and a boat came by us and really stirred up the water. And she said, I can handle this because I'm used to riding motorcycles with dave and derek wow um yeah and uh in the end though she got knocked over and she laughed about it and said maybe i bit off a little more than i can chew yeah so she's not dramatic or anything like that there's no any of that stuff this guy's not much worse than somebody that has no sense of humor but falling off a jet yeah oh jesus christ yeah you have to enjoy yourself when you do that do that.
It's like if you're riding a sled down a snowy hill. You're going to fall eventually.
You tumble in the snow and you laugh your ass off. That's the point of it.
You don't go, God damn it. I wanted that to be perfect.
Jesus Christ. You're riding a jet ski? You're trying to stay dry? Why are you wearing sneakers? I'm a professional jet ski rider.
This is ridiculous. Yeah, why'd you wear your evening gown? What are you doing out here? He said, oh, we laughed about that.
And she could hit a softball far, too. She really loved going to all of Derek's baseball games.
And he was there. And he was in three or four different leagues.
She had a great sense of humor. That's a nightmare.
This kid plays sports for four different kids, basically. That's terrible.
I want to die thinking about it. Oh, shit.
So Thursday, March 25th, 2009, comes around here. Kay's 41 years old.
She drops Derek off at school. He's 12, drops him off at school.
She gets back home, and it's a little bit before 9 a.m. when she is seen going home.
Now, there was a contractor

who was doing some work on the house.

Her husband's a contractor, so I don't know how

that works, but okay.

A different contractor. He's kind of a military contractor.

Maybe, yeah. He came

to do some work, and when he

shows up at 8.45, he

finds the back

glass door, they have French

doors in the back, and the glass door is broken back there. So he says, oh shit.
So he kind of looks his head in the house a little bit and sees some blood spattered around and seeing that the house looked like it was in a state of disarray, that it didn't look like the last time he was there. So he does not go in there.
He calls the police here. He steps outside, calls the police.
He goes, hey, I might be a contractor, but I can't put that back together. I already got to repair a door.
You guys come fix whatever else is there. I don't have any way to fix that.
So when a deputy entered, he found what appeared to be blood on the sofa and the living room rug here at Kay's house. They also found blood on the walls and the doors.
There's a lot of blood around, which it's a lot. It's a lot.
So they're very, you know, a little bit freaked out by that. Now they end up finding her clinging to life on the garage floor.
Wow. Really? She is alive, but severely beaten about the head.
And needs blood. Horribly, yeah.
There's blood everywhere. One of the police officers said she must have been confronted by the suspect and was attacked and seriously injured.
She'd been beaten very severely. She'd been struck numerous times.
So she's trying to run and get out through the garage? That's the only thing we could think, obviously this started in the house. So that's the that's the thing here.
And as we we go through this, it looks like she interrupted a burglary. That's what it looks like happened.
Looked like she came home in the middle of a burglary here. She's taken to a doctor's hospital, then to the Medical College of Georgia Hospital.
And yeah, during this, she clings to life for almost a whole day before she eventually dies so from her wounds now the the police investigating the house here because now it's not just a burglary and an assault this is a murder now so you know a little bit different investigation yeah this crime scene just got much more severe yeah Yeah, they find a blood trail that leads to the garage. So they're like, okay, they're trying to find out, you know, put it together of how it happened.
They say that she was robbed and a gold necklace and watch were taken off her body as well. Well, you better hope you don't get caught because that's good.
Yeah, I mean, a watch is pretty traceable, too. Yeah.
Yeah. So nearby, right outside, they find a baseball bat and a claw hammer, both with blood and hair.
Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
These are brutal weapons. That's like, this baseball bat isn't enough.
I'm going to grab this hammer quick and make it worse type of shit. A claw hammer.
A claw hammer. I don't know which side of the claw hammer, but Jesus Christ.
I don't want to know, I don't think. So she ends up dying later that afternoon.
Head trauma is the cause of death here. Multiple beating.
I mean, she's been beaten so many times, they don't know how many blows that she's been given even on the head. So then while this is going on, they find out that the home next door at 227 Hot Springs Drive was also burglarized.
So now they have two burglaries right next door and a dead woman. So the police officer at this point says, this is the lead detective, we're following some leads.
We have our suspicions, but we're nowhere near solving this case. They don't know what's going on.
So what's up with Next Door? We'll find out here. Who lives there is a couple named Rebecca, who goes by Becky.
Becky Bowers is what she originally was, and then she got married because she doesn't like the alliteration. It's like, I can't be Becky Bowers.
That sounds like the most annoying person who's ever lived. So I'm going to get married to a guy named Sears, S-E-A-R-S,

like the store, like the defunct store here. This is Tony Sears he goes by.
So that's her husband. Becky is good friends also with Kay.
They're tight. The families are tight.
They're tight. They live next door.

She's born the same year as Kay.

So she, I can't quite lock down how many kids these people have up to five sons at least three and as many as five okay she has two older sons from a previous marriage and she also has younger sons that are 2, 5, and 13 as well. So she has like a 21-year-old, a 19-year-old,

and then the couple themselves have a 2, a 5, and a 13-year-old. So that is a lot.
Now the 13-year-old and next door Kay's 12-year-old played on the same baseball teams together all the time. Of course they did.
So these parents know each other very well. You know the sports parents well, especially if you live next door.
They carpool to travel games and all that kind of shit. For sure.
And in addition to living next door and having sons that play together and having barbecues together and all that shit, they actually work together as well, these women. What? Yes.
You got to really not be sick of somebody for that shit. You have to like somebody.
They both work at the Healing Hands Physical Therapy Center as well. Okay.
They both help with like occupational therapy type shit. That's 227 Hot Springs Drive.
Very close friends though, these two. And even the couples like Tony and Derek there, the husband of David, they would play on mixed doubles in tennis together and shit.
That's too much spending time with your neighbor. That's a lot of time with your neighbor.
I don't, yeah, I like to, no matter how cool my neighbor is, I want to distance myself a little bit from them because you can't get away from them. That's the problem.
I'm not doing it, yeah. No, so these people, they're diving in, though.
Now, the sons, Becky's sons here, Christopher is a 19-year- year old son. That's I believe her second son from the previous marriage.
He lived in a place of his own, but spends a lot of time with his mother at this house. He's there all the time for some reason.
Uh, I mean, very close to her, but he's 19 too. He should probably be doing other things, you know? So, um, now Rebecca's older son, the oldest one,, lived at the house.
And I believe he's like 21 or something. Rebecca got Christopher, the 19 year old, a part time job at the physical therapy clinic where she and Kay worked as well.
So everybody works there. Now, the home, both homes appeared to have been broken into.
And they believe that Kay interrupted a burglary that,ary, that Becky was just lucky enough to not come home in the middle of here. Now, Becky and Christopher, her son, were both present when the deputies got to Kay's home that morning.
So they were both there. Becky actually followed a deputy into the house, but once they saw blood, they escorted her out of the house.
Yeah, you can't be in there, lady. No, because she was like, I want to see if my friend's okay.
I want to go in there. And they saw blood, and they're like, oh, now it's a crime scene.
You got to back the fuck out here. Now, they shouldn't have let her in before because it was still a crime scene.
If it was a burglary, that's a crime scene. You can't be letting people wander around and touch shit.
But anyway, she is escorted out at that point. She tells deputies then that her home's been broken into also.
They said they found her home ransacked, but they couldn't find a sign of forced entry there. There was no broken black door.
So she might have had an open window or a door that she didn't lock. Some shit like that.
So obviously this looks like a targeted attack on this neighborhood. Sure enough.
If you live in this neighborhood, it's not just one house. It's two houses.
This is scary. You know what I mean? These people are freaking out.
And people say this. Here's a quote from a neighbor.
Quote, you move to a neighborhood because it's supposed to be a nice, safe place to live, and then something like this happens. Something like this.
Something like this this that's right um then there's a guy one of the neighbors who's a former army sergeant who served multiple tours in afghanistan he said i'm not afraid that's gonna because i said are you afraid this could happen to you and he said not at all not me he said i'm just going to improve access to my weapons what he said. What? I'm just going to place more weapons around my house and live.
I'm going to get real strategic about my pistol. Yeah.
Jesus. I'm going to live like I'm under a state of siege all the time now.
That's all. That'll be better.
Good Lord. One lady who lived here for eight years said she's never heard of a break-in in this neighborhood before.
This is crazy. Not one, yeah.
She said, we watch out for each other here. So, you know, we're nosy.
We stare out the window and write license plate numbers down and shit like that. I know shit that my neighbors do.
That's weird. That's weird.
So the police, what they do right away is after, you know, that day, they don't know shit. They have no leads.
They actually put out, please help us to the public, which is not real confidence-inducing. The fact that this is less than 24 hours old and they've already gone, well, we've done all we can do.
I don't know. You guys got any ideas? How scary is that? It's a, yeah.
Disturbing. So, they say they need help solving this death.
The captain here says he hopes someone was watching. He says, I hope someone was looking out the window for this.
Anybody have a fingerprint? Anything. Can you bring that? They said, someone knows something concerning this crime.
Although we have some leads, we need some help. This person has clearly demonstrated just how dangerous they are.
We're utilizing every available resource and manpower and technology to locate this individual. And we're still asking you for help.
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But if you have one, let us know. This is one of the saddest, if not the saddest case we've investigated in a long, long time.
So, okay. Now, that is the one day.
So that by the next afternoon happens okay yeah next afternoon becky sears the next door neighbor yep okay she's leaving the healing hands physical therapy center where she works the next day she still went to work people are breaking into neighbor breaking into your houses in your neighborhood killing your friends and co-workers and you still go to work the next day, though. I got work to do.
You're not calling in. I got shit to heal.
She's walking to her vehicle, talking on the phone after her shift, right? Walking out toward the parking lot when she said, a man jumped out of a bush from the rear of the building and brandished a pistol at her what okay she turned to go back inside when the guy shot at her okay and she later on said the man told her that if she didn't have his money it would be her face which i've never heard that one before i've heard it'll be your ass but not your face no i I mean, that's worse, honestly. Yeah.
You can't see your ass. You got to show your face all the time.
I think the guy is making a bigger threat. That's it.
If you didn't have his money. So that's when she turned around and ran.
And she's on the phone, by the way. So someone else hears this and hears a gunshot.
And the gunshot actually grazes both of her legs. He did shoot.
This person shot at her and the gunshot actually grazes both of her legs. He did shoot.
This person shot at her and the gunshot grazed both legs. It must have gone on the inside of it, I assume, or if she was turned sideways, maybe sideways at the front or whatever it was, but it grazed both legs but didn't actually, not a hardcore bullet wound here.
Then the man ran off toward the woods. One shot and he took off.
The police find a .22 caliber shell casing at the scene when they get there. The sergeant commented about Becky, quote, she wasn't real happy about getting shot.
Well, no shit. Really? Most people are.
That's interesting interesting so she is treated for her wound um here now man that's that's fucking wild she um both women by the way so now two women from the healing hands physical therapy center have been attacked in successive days and if anybody's got a ballistic kit at home please bring that by the station if you have that as to this route if you have that by the way anybody know how to get someone to like admit to some stuff they don't want to admit to anybody because if you do more open for any ideas you got it's hard at minimum a gsr kit please bring them by the station i mean that's complicated i don't know we i don't know if we have the facilities to process that. But if you can just get someone to not lie, if you can do that, is that possible? If only they had a machine that could tell us if they were lying.
Does anybody know anything about that? So the sheriff here, the captain of the Columbia County sheriffs here, he said that he knows of no link between these two crimes, by the way. The shooting and the killing in successive days.
Apart from the fact they happened at the exact same time. No, not the burglaries.
Right next to each other. And then her house is robbed and okay.
Yeah, doesn't know of any link between them. I would say this has to be just the unluckiest fucking group of neighbors that's ever lived if there is no link here.
It sounds to me like somebody's terrorizing them. They said, we've been in contact with Richmond County authorities concerning that matter, but there's no evidence to suggest a link, is what they said.
Yeah. Now, at the hospital, apparently, where Becky goes there, she demands Sino-K's condition.
Dem to know Kay's condition. Like, really forcefully, which they're like, what the hell is wrong with this fucking deal here? This is very strange.
Becky had visited Kay the day before, before she died. Because the shooting happened on Thursday.
And she, I guess she wasn't even conscious at the time, but she visited her. Now, apparently here, that's when after Thursday, the next day comes, and now all of a sudden they have a confidential informant, the police come out and say.
Really? Yes, a confidential informant that says, this is according to the search warrant that was written in the affidavit, a confidential informant advised he believed Rebecca Sears was responsible or involved in the murder of Mrs. Parsons.
So now they're saying, Becky over here killed Kay. That's what the confidential informant is.
Somebody's telling us that. They said the confidential informant also stated that on more than one occasion mrs sears asked him to kill mrs parsons oh the confidential informant stated mrs sears asked her sons christopher bowers and michael bowers to murder mrs parsons kids gather around yeah holy shit They said so.
They said, well, why the fuck

would the what? This doesn't make sense. Were they winning mixed doubles too much? Like,

what are we talking about here? Why would this happen? Then they said the confidential

informant said that, quote, he had personal knowledge of Mrs. Sears being involved in

a romantic relationship with David Parsons.

Uh-oh.

Becky is fucking David.

That's the problem.

Unbelievable.

That is a Becky's pork and Parsons over here.

Not good.

So.

How could she do that?

That is fucking crazy.

He said, quote, this is the, we'll find out right now who the confidential informant is.

Quote, his mother showed him text messages on her phone that made it clear she was having an affair with someone. His mother made it clear to Michael that she wished she knew someone who would kill someone for her.
Look at how filthy her husband's being with me. Look at this.
Now, do you happen to know any dirty friends? Her husband was deployed in Afghanistan at the time. Parsons? No, Becky's husband, Tony Sears.
Becky's husband? Tony's in Afghanistan. She's fucking the neighbor.
She's fucking the next door neighbor here. Wow.
Holy. And apparently, Becky wanted Kay out of the way to have a better relationship with her husband, with Kay's husband's husband so apparently this affair had gone on she said it ended in february 2009 which is the month before this yeah but authorities examined her phone records and found that the two still exchanged text messages exchanging uh and professing their love for each other so it didn't end Fuck, man.
So they said that is a good motive right there. Uh-huh.
So they arrest Christopher Sean Bowers first. He is her 19-year-old son.
And he's got a real, like, a minor police record. He was charged with marijuana possession in 2008 and driving under the influence of drugs and other traffic related offenses but nothing that would suggest shittery yeah breaking into a fucking woman's house and murdering her in her living room straight murder brutally beating her to death in her living room that's a really that's a really fucking like rugged way to do that with a ball bat and a hammer that's fucked for for for murder one that's your first one that's what i mean i i would assume shooting is the would be the easiest you can get a little distance you don't have to like and feel it on you i would assume if you're you know and if it fucks you up you can get out of there fast you can run away you gotta beat a woman over the head 30 times with a bat and a hammer that is real real gross.
And you got to have a special kind of stomach for that shit. I'm sure we'll get there.
But did he do this alone, James? Well, they said the prosecutors say that the gunshot wound to Becky Sears was later discovered to have also been inflicted by Christopher. He's upset.
No, he's not upset at all. That's the fucked up part.
What part what now they first looked at michael because they said michael had a bad drug problem and he lied to the police regarding his whereabouts around the time of the murder because he was off doing drugs and he didn't want to say that so he lied and said something else but they quickly ruled it out as more information came out that it was clearly rebecca and christopher doing that now Becky's shooting okay they now think this was staged as a cover-up for this took a bullet for this well it was she wasn't supposed to take a bullet that's the point it got fucked up that's what's amazing apparently she planned to have her son threaten her with a gun while she was on the phone with someone so someone can hear it so it looked like there was a crazy stalker on the loose but at the time apparently the son fucking no one knows why if he did it by accident or what but he let a shot off when he was not supposed to at all he was supposed to go well you know give me your money or it's your face and then she was gonna go and turn around and run and then he was going to run into the woods that was the plan and instead she's laying on the ground going why do my legs hurt? what the fuck just happened? this is fucked up holy shit so yeah the great part is how they figured this out this is actually actually pretty goddamn good police work, I've got to say.

And this show, it is honestly kind of rare.

Incredibly rare.

Most of the time, it's like, how do you fuck that up? Well, this time, they actually were pretty smart here. This is how they got to Christopher to get Christopher to admit all this.
Apparently, the Channel 12 news people had interviewed Becky Sears in a report about car insurance just a few months before the murder. Just doing a man on the street interviews.
Right. What are you paying? Right.
This was at a gas station. Okay.
She's seen filling up a white Ford F-250 truck, which is the same truck they found parked at Christopher's home after the murder. Oh, fuck.
So they connected it that way. And the crime scene analysts found blood on the driver's side door, the parking brake and the seat as well.
So that's how they figured it out. So search warrants built up a little timeline for what happened here.
I guess Christopher hid in a room in her house, and then he went into the backyard and waited for, this is in Becky's house, waited for Mrs. Parsons to leave, then used a hammer to break in the back door, went upstairs, took a couple of things, but mainly just staged a burglary.
And then according to here becky went on to say that christopher told her well i guess when he when christopher was done he told his mom that he beat the fuck out of her and after the murder christopher quote went back to her house and entered through the back door and staged a burglary at her house and then left so re Rebecca stated Christopher called her and told her to pick him up.

And when she did,

he had blood on his face and he said he took care of everything and beat the

fuck out of her.

Yeah.

So this is basically,

he ran out of the house to a different street,

not right in front of the house.

And Rebecca picked him up in the,

in the two 50 F two 50 and got blood all over it.

And that's how it happened.

So Rebecca stated that Christopher

changed his clothes in the car

and placed his bloody clothes in a

backpack. And then

they said, the cop said the

blood trail suggests that Kay

fled from Christopher into the garage

where she was ultimately murdered by

blows from the claw hammer.

Oh god. Oh fucking shit.
Jesus, the bat wasn't doing it. He hit her a couple times with the bat and she ran away.
So he said, well, I guess the hammer is the way to do it here. Oh, no.
And Rebecca's other son, Michael, told police that his mother wanted Kay dead and talked about it all the time. And then they found another friend of hers who also said that, yes, she's also asked me if I could kill Kay Parsons as well.
I never want to throw such great dick that it makes somebody want to murder somebody. That's crazy.
What is he throwing? That's what I'm saying. And also, how did she think this was going to work out? Here's my question.
Never mind the dick, whatever. How did she think this was going to work out here's my question never mind dick whatever what is how did she think this is going to work out they were going to kill k yeah and then get away with it and then her and david were going to be together and then what happens when her husband comes home from afghanistan they're going to kill him i mean what are we going to do here yeah or is she just making it easier to to bang him while he's away i guess when the husband comes home all bets are off we just? We just don't see each other anymore? I don't know.
What are we doing? That's what I mean. This doesn't seem like it was thought out all that much, but for months she was asking people to kill this woman.
So she really was into this. So now upon- The lost.
So they question Becky. She confesses to everything.
She gives it all up. Becky's don't hold it very well you get a becky in the box and she's gonna she's gonna fucking sing like a canary you know what i'm saying they're not known for holding up under questioning those beckys there's no mob boss no name becky it's not gonna work she enlisted and she admitted she enlisted the help of her, which just makes her an even bigger scumbag.
Let me ruin my son's life, too. She said she picked him up from his place and drove him home while she went to drop her other children off at school.
Christopher broke into the house, beat her with a hammer and bat, staged a burglary, and then Rebecca picked her up. So same shit.
Now, let's find out the schmuck in all this. Tony.
I mean but yeah oh tony guy yeah tony's he's a fucking idiot this guy are you kidding me this is the dumbest person jerk no i wish you would say that that'd be normal instead he's got becky's back like a motherfucker even though she confessed to this so did christopher so did michael so did another guy everything they have the text messages of she's been fucking the hub of the neighbor he still loves doesn't care he's got her back yep he said that he's just so sad that this is a nightmare he can't wake up from it's turned his family life upside down he said just the other day he said to his kid you know uh can daddy have a kiss and he said that's a moment that becky's missing out on right now the missing out he said quote it's tough real tough all of us miss her so much my whole world's changed okay this is a real understanding cat right here no shit maybe it's her that fucks great this is crazy um yeah he said then this is amazing oh this is about k okay she was an innocent victim she dropped her child off at school came back home and was murdered it's terrible i can't even think about it i don't even know what to think about it so they said do you think she's guilty let's start there you don't know what to think how where do you think on this do you think he's guilty tony said no no no not guilty at all boy they all confess to it not guilty who's who's more delusional him or aunt diane's husband him yeah 100 right because aunt diane's not around to confess to everything she did and have him go no i think she's cool yeah unbelievable he's just like got this memory he's trying to protect here so they said no doubt in your mind and he said there's absolutely no doubt in my mind what does he think happened and this is a man who just came back from war like he's he knows reality he's seen it he just does not want to accept it here this is a man who accepts reality in many portions of his life but not here yeah wow tiny chunks though yeah he said uh or they said they're calling her a mastermind but saying that he beat a woman uh he beat a woman to death is that any part of is that any part of him that you've ever known meaning the son yeah and he said personally i couldn't see him doing something like that and then tony said becky's afraid that the smaller boys will forget her in time so i keep bringing them down there for visitation wow um that's fucking amazing and then uh this is i believe her sister said even if people wonder if Becky and Christopher are innocent there's no doubt about the fact that the other children are completely innocent here she says you can look in their eyes and see that their spirit is still there they're still holding tight but it's just your heart breaks for them every time you see that meaning Becky's kids then she Shocking. Then she says, this is what Tony says now, it's extremely hard and to hear how she's being treated, it just doesn't seem fair.
Who gives a fuck? They put her in jail, man. The food's not good.
It's not fair. They lock her up.
She's doing well as expected. Then he says, it's terrible.
I can't even think about it. I don't't even think about it i don't even know what to think he says again then they say what do you think about the prosecution's claim that she was having an affair there you go there you go yeah let's try to get some touch a nerve of reality somewhere tony here he says i'd rather not talk about that so put let's push that reality off to the side and say my wife's innocent what the fuck man i mean i get i get that he's got three small children to care for now which is tough but wow they said could uh or they said could the becky you know be capable of something like this i mean they call her a mastermind that she orchestrated this.
And he said, no, no.

He said, I don't believe none of that.

And I believe she's innocent.

Is that right?

He said, it just doesn't seem fair.

I've always thought, well, you're in jail.

It's not supposed to be fair.

Until something like this does happen, then you realize what they're going through.

Yeah, murderers have a tough time.

They have to go to jail and everybody calls them. Yeah.
for prisoners well for becky anyway yeah i bet you the other prisoners doesn't have so much sympathy for he's probably just give a fuck i mean he's a real law and order guy till now you know what i mean that's the thing so becky's sister renee says that she's been um she's been staying with Tony to help him with the boys. I bet she has.
I was going to say Renee. Renee's making Tony feel their kids.
Well, they're all boys. If you think about it, including Tony, I quote, help take care of the boys.
Yeah. Tony's dick is included in that.
Her family's also helping to pay for her sister and nephew's defense so they asked Renee no doubt in your mind she's innocent and Renee said no doubt whatsoever unbelievable I know my sister and I know my nephew I know the things they're capable of and this is not one of them just are Tony and Renee just saying this to see him on the up and up so everybody doesn't think they're fucking is that what it is probably no they're great and innocent we're just we have to just huddle up together to try to get through this our our desire to see becky so bad and then it's next thing you know so they said that um she said that the boys ask about their mother all the time so they asked Renee, do they understand what's going on? Yeah. Renee said, not really.
I bet the 13-year-old does. I'm sure he gets it.
He's seen a law and order in one of his days probably. Even if he hasn't, he's seen Call of Duty at this point.
He gets it. He knows what's what.
Yeah. He said, it's just been really heart-wrenching because every time the boys come up and give me a big hug, I think this is what Becky's missing.
Every time some milestone happens, I think she's never going to get this back. Well, if only she wasn't so crazy for Dick that she murdered people.
You know what I mean? I'm sorry, but there was a real easy way for this not to happen. It's not like she was backed into a corner or something.
This is all unforced errors. The same drives me nuts too, by the way.
Heart-wrenching? Isn't it gut-wrenching or heartbreaking? One of the two, yeah. I didn't know it was heart-wrenching.
I guess you can wrench a heart if you want to. I suppose.
I suppose. I think it's gut-wrenching and heartbreaking.
That's better, I think. Yeah, that makes more sense, but nobody cares.
That's the problem said they were two five and 13 now they're three six and 14 so she's missed a few birthdays so this is meaning a few months later a few a few cumulative birthdays between the three of them it's one year it's only one it's been like eight months literally but there that's what she said um and t And Tony said, Becky's afraid the smaller boys will forget her in time again.

They said, Renee said, even if people wonder if Becky and Christopher are innocent, there's no doubt about the fact that these children are.

So, yeah.

Then she says, Becky or Renee says, she's not this type of person.

The person that would be so cruel and vindictive and just, it was a heinous crime, just heinous. And neither of them are heinous people.
I mean, he beat a woman with a fucking claw hammer in her own home. And then you picked him up and helped him cover the free and from all accounts by everybody.
A nice lady, just a nice lady next door. It's fucked up what she did and somebody used to say fucked up every fucking day when that's the other thing you know her kid well you know you know all this you know that's no thought or for anybody else's concern but you're wrong that is fucking gross just because because tony eats pussy like a fucking monster.
Has to, right? Has to, has to. So that's what it is.
The family says the most hurtful part is feeling like they've already been found guilty already, even before they went to go on trial. No, they admitted it.
That's the problem. They all confess to it in detail.
That's the problem. And all the details match up.
This isn't like some coerced confession where it doesn't line up. They just said, what happened? And she said, and spilled it.
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Now back to the show. So, this is Tony says, I think what bothers us the most is that they're so set on Becky and Christopher that they aren't even looking for the real person who's done this.
He really thinks somebody else did it. They're a real killer.
He's like, OJ now. Then Renee says, you feel like they've already been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion, and you can kind of understand because you see, here's this woman with this lovely child and this terrible thing happens to her.
You immediately want someone to blame. You immediately want a reason why.
You don't want it to be a random act because you don't want to think it could happen to you. Well, yeah, no, this isn't, that's because it's not a random act at all.
Right. So months go by, Tony now moves to Nashville with his three young sons is that right yes yeah because those boys they may not ever forget their mother because they are bully age they are gonna oh they're gonna be reminded of this every year it's probably not nashville which is good that's probably why you move there you know what i mean whatever whatever is going on there something morgan wallen did something worse at his own bar or some shit you know what I mean? Whatever's going on there, something, Morgan Wallen did something worse at his own bar or some shit.
You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't matter. Threw a chair at somebody or some shit.
Some girl is professing some awful thing she does to people on the streets. It doesn't matter.
Right now. Yeah, Jimmy's buying a ball sack weed from a 12-year-old.
You know how it goes, because that happened in Nashville. So, guess what, though? Renee came with him, too.
She's got to help with the boys, you know, the sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Quote, unquote. Boys ain't going to suck themselves.
Come on. Tony isn't going to feel better on his own here.
So Tony says, with the kids and my job, I'm pretty busy, so it kind of takes my mind off of it. I'm sure Becky loves to hear that.
Then Renee says, you go to sleep one night and you wake up the next days and your life has entirely changed. But she's been helping Tony and just living with Tony ever since.
I'm sure there's no sex going on there. So now they are facing charges of burglary, armed robbery, malice murder, and felony murder.
These are not good. It's got to be aggravated with the theft.
You know what I mean? That's the problem. And prosecutors are going for the death penalty for both mother and son going for the death penalty.
Absolutely. So that would be – have there ever been a mother-son fucking combination executed before? Murder couple? I don't think so.
Like executed for murder, a mother and a son? That's crazy. Never heard of it.
Does he get to sit on her lap while they do it? This is insane. So the prosecutor said, I think it's an appropriate case for the death penalty.
They said that it is, quite frankly, one of the grisliest murders I've seen. It's horrible.
It's a fucking claw hammer. He said, Now, their defense attorney's name, by the way, is Vic Vic Hawk is his name.
Vic Hawk. Vic Hawk.
H-A-W-K. And he said during the bond hearing, he said, it's all circumstantial evidence.
This is stupid. Say what? They admitted to it.
Her blood is all over her truck, man. What are you talking about?

Circumstantial.

This is like a pretty, I mean, there's physical evidence.

There's circumstantial evidence.

There's telephone records.

There's confessions.

There's every form of, there's the murder weapons.

Every form of evidence possible they have here.

It's all there, Vic. Other than an eyewitness staring at the whole thing, they have everything else.
But they eyewitnessed on themselves, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, there is an eyewitness staring at the whole thing they have everything else but they eyewitnessed on themselves so it doesn't really matter yeah there is an eyewitness one for each of them yeah well i got two i got two witnesses one for each of you so this defense attorney said i haven't really heard anything from the state with regard to real evidence to justify concluding that rebecca sears killed anyone Okay.
Wow. Tony and Rebecca, or Tony and Renee, the new couple, they say people's thoughts, the death penalty creeps into their minds.
Tony said, everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I've actually had to stop reading the newspapers and blogs, the stuff that people write. I mean, it's gut-wrenching.
There you go. There it is.
What they think should be done to Becky and Christopher. Yeah.
Because, I mean, go to a comment section of a crime like this, and it's just people going, I want to take them and drag them behind my truck and then cook them on my smoke or whatever crazy shit they're thinking of. So Tony said here, you already know what's at the end of the trial.
I try not to think about it much. I don't want to think about it.
And Renee said, you have to plan for the worst and hope for the best. Sure.
Hope for farts, but plan for shit, like I said before. That's all you can do.
That's a fascinating choice to a murder trial. It said hope for the the best.
They said, we are going to stand behind them all the way through and just hope and pray the truth comes out and we'll all be back together again. And Tony says, what keeps me sane is I know that soon it will be over and the truth will come out.
Yeah. Stand behind them.
Not in front of them or beside them. Definitely behind them.
Definitely behind them because the one kid, he'll shoot you when you don't even, he's not even supposed to.

So Vic Hawk now asks to personally review the crime scene with his client.

He says that it's Becky's right to view the crime scene and that they have no intention to undermine the prosecution.

He said, but we do have the duty to investigate.

The prosecution says they oppose allowing Becky to, quote, invade the home of the victim where her husband and three small children are still living she just wanted to get a glimpse of david i think and his fucking just in his hog through his pants or something vick hawk also asked for any notes made by investigators during a more than two hour gap in the recording of m. Sears interrogation.
He also requested that all evidence be preserved for independent testing. And they said he said our concern in this case is that there will be significant scientific testing.
Prosecution says no objection to preserving the evidence, but you're not going to take the evidence to independent facilities without us, basically, because, you know, we have to vet the company first and make sure that they're a legitimate company that's not just working for you to get whatever results you want, basically. Sure.
So the trial is going to happen here, and one of the lawyers said, we still have to address the issue of getting Mrs. Sears' husband back from Afghanistan because because he was redeployed again you think they would go okay listen my wife's on a fucking trial for murder and i have three small kids to take care of maybe send somebody else you know what i'm saying it's i'm not the only guy in the army like i'm not i know it's army of one it's not me find somebody else and send them because i am yeah i know i can.
Yeah. Like I get, I signed up, but I doubt many other soldiers have this much shit going on in their life right now.
You know what I mean? This is, this is a lot. Anybody else's wife up for the death penalty in here? No, didn't think so.
Can I fucking stay home? So 2012, here we go. Right before the trial comes up.
This is three years later, by the way. It took that long.
They just say fuck it and plead guilty. Have to.
Have to. That's what I mean.
All this evidence of this and that, they have every bit of evidence in the world. I don't even know what they were thinking they wanted more of.
Vic must have just run them like crazy and taken so much money from them. Talking about, I can have you beat the case't worry absolutely much money we're doing testing we got professionals that i need another 80 000 for this i need another let them dry yeah if the family if they you got a family that's willing to put up money they'll do that they will drain so um now the it's been nearly 25 years by the way since this county attempted a death penalty case, since they've even tried for the death penalty in this.

And that was for a serial rapist named Richard Daniel Starrett.

So, yeah, the prosecution said good police work and airtight prosecution makes it abundantly obvious to criminals that they're better off taking not the death penalty, essentially.

And the prosecutor said it's also a tremendous savings for local taxpayers, and it is. They're going to save so much fucking money doing this.
So the sentencing comes around. Here we go.
Mom and son standing next to each other for sentencing. You, ma'am and sir, may fuck off.
They are both uh to prison for life without parole okay for murder uh life for armed robbery and 20 years for burglary each double life and 20 to run consecutively holy shit life without parole and then life and then 20 and then 20. Shit.
You're not getting out is what that says. Never.
I have stacked these to make sure that your asses are going to die in there. So that is unbelievable.
That's bang them good there. I mean, I don't know if I'd give that for Christopher really.
I think I'd give it to him mostly. I see.
i'd give it to the person who planned it and manipulated to manipulate your son to commit murder is way worse than murder like that's way worse a mother telling their if my mother told me to kill somebody i'd be like are you out of your fucking mind but at 19 if she nagged you enough to do anything you wouldn't just do it that's what i mean i probably would end up that's what i mean you'd end up doing it your mother has a lot of control over you i think especially if 19 yeah especially if you get nagged a lot yeah i get that he's an adult but yeah i mean give him you know i don't want him getting out till he's 60 or something because obviously if you're capable of 50 years yeah beating some poor lady some nice lady to death with a claw hammer you got fucking problems but sheabolical. Yeah.
And the other parts, Chris knew exactly why he was doing this because mom was cheating on dad. That's what I mean.
Not dad, stepdad. Oh, right, right, because he's from the other marriage.
That makes it easier for him, I think. It would have to be, yeah.
Yeah, you don't have any loyalty to this fucking guy probably beyond that. Although he's been around for a long time because their oldest son was 13 at the time.
13, yes. He's probably been around for 15 years.
He's been around at least since Chris was six. Yeah.
So that's a five. Older, younger than that, probably five because nine months to carry that fucker.
That's what I was thinking. So five years old, you should have more respect than that.
But anyway, they're both monsters. Yeah.
I mean, to beat someone's's bad but to come up with it is and to say i'll have my kid do it is yeah and the next level diabolical yeah okay come on hop in the truck that's fucked up so the prosecutor said it was a good resolution to the case to get it done on both defendants that quickly i hate to say that quickly three years later yeah Once it actually came, it was quick though. In, what is this, 2017, Investigation Discovery did a retelling of the story of this whole case here.
They called it Unusual Suspect's Deadly Intent. And then after that, oh, Tangled Up in Red also.
Deadly Intent, Tangled Up in Red. Two subtitles.
Wow. Wow.
Then there was multiple documentary things on this, TV shows. Evil Kin, that show, did an episode called For Sale by Owner, which makes no sense for this episode.
My Dirty Little Secret did an episode called Naughty Neighbors.

Deadly Affairs, of course.

And we've seen Deadly Affairs is the one with Susan Lucci looking all horny.

Deadly Affairs, which is the funniest one.

I love their recreations.

It's so fucking hilarious.

That's the one where the light was coming out of the woman's vagina.

Remember that?

That was like a crazy one there.

And they made that bald fucker look handsome they got a that was hilarious deadly affairs love thy neighbor obviously and then of course of course you have to have an episode because it's a woman who killed someone yeah it snapped of course rebecca sears obviously she didn't hear snap she's living the best life can't take it anymore. This was like, hmm, how do I get that good dick more? Right.
That's different. This is, I can take it so much more.
And I don't even want to get my husband out of the way. That's the other thing.
Right. Because I need help with these kids.
So I just want this lady out of the way so I can sneak over to the neighbor's house and tag him. Take more.
Yeah, this is wild shit. Oh my God.
Poor Kay is buried at the Sylvan Heights Cemetery in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Oliver, Pennsylvania she is.
That's where she's from. Rebecca Bowers now.
Let's see. She is, by the way, you want to see a person change in prison? Yeah.
Wow. Did she change a lot? I don't know.
You'd have to look so far. Don't bother anyone.
But she went from very, like a slender blonde woman, very slender little blonde woman in her initial appearance to by the time she is in this in jail here. Yeah.
A couple of years later, she's listed at 5'4", 210 pounds. She had a Sonny from WWE fall off.
She doubled her weight in jail. Wow.
Like pretty much doubled her weight, which I mean whatever, but I mean it's just that wasn't the way she was before that. But in jail she just like put on the carbs, I guess.
That's tough, man. That happens to people in jail.

They get pudgy. They either get jacked or pudgy.

One of the fucking two here.

She's in there. She is

currently at the Lee

Arendelle State Prison in

Alto, Georgia.

No release date for her,

obviously.

Her son, Christopher,

here, he is at the

Smith State Prison

in Glenville, Georgia.

And yeah, he's stuck there.

Now there is a

novel about this. Quote,

a novelization of the story, which means

they can just make up whatever they want. It's called

Hot Springs Drive.

They're going to play up the

fucking part of it a lot here. Hot Springs Drive was They're going to play up the fucking part of it a lot here.

Hot Springs Drive was released in 2023.

It was the winner of the Chicago Review of Books Best Fiction Prize.

This is the third title in Roxane Gay Books inaugural series, inaugural list, Hot Springs Drive,

an urgent, vicious blade of a novel about a shocking betrayal and its aftermath, asking just how far you'll go to have everything you want. Yeah.
I like the description. Jackie Stinson's best friend is dead and everyone knows who killed her.
Jackie wants to be many things, but a martyr has never been one of them. She's an emotional, an ex-emotional eater and mother of four who's finally lost the weight she yearned to be free of.
In her new sharp-edged body, she goes by Jacqueline, but leaving her old self behind proves harder than she ever imagined. And while she believes she should be happier, misery still chases her and motherhood threatens to subsume what little is left of her.
Jesus. Holy Jesus Christ, man.

They call Dark Springs Drive as a dark,

Hot Springs Drive as a dark, heart-pounding exploration

of one woman's deepest desires

and how the consequences of betrayal can ripple outward

beyond the intentional strike point.

Wow.

Okay.

Anyway, so they say only one left in stock of the hardcover.

Is that right? Jesus Christ. Scramble for him now, everybody.
Wow. Okay.
Anyway, so they say only one left in stock of the hardcover on Amazon.

Is that right?

Jesus Christ.

Scramble for them now, everybody.

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