#559 - Be My Baby - Keokuk, Iowa

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We are going to Iowa this week.

Iowa, indeed.

Keokuk, Iowa, to be specific.

K-E-O-K-U-K.k there is three k's in there and that's uh interesting so uh it is in southeast iowa they call this by the way the a florida-like peninsula of iowa that comes down so we're going to call it panhandle of iowa i guess we call it there it's about's about three hours to Des Moines, about an hour and a half to Agency, Iowa, which was our last Iowa episode, Onion of Lies, which is still one of my favorite titles that I've come up with. I like that one.
This is in Lee County. Area code 319.
Several mottos here. Number one, the Gate City.
Okay. I assume because it's on the Mississippiissippi oh yeah yeah it'll make sense uh power city i don't know that's just we want to make ourselves feel good about ourselves and then of course the geode capital of the world yeah which probably isn't true but hey you know what everybody needs something to put on their billboard right geodes are real weird i don't That's a very strange thing.
I don't know how anybody knows. How do you know that it's one? I don't know.
I think that's why kids are so into them is because they're like, there's a fucking sparkly shit in this rock. That's crazy.
Yeah. As an adult, you're just used to it.
But as a kid, you're like, how does this happen? Are rocks in my yard like this? is the center fucking magical if i break rocks open

is this what they all look like inside i remember trying to bash them up like with a hammer trying to bash rocks open after going to the museum of natural history so um a little bit of history of this town uh steamboat traffic in the 1800s was increasing on the mississippi river so people started to settle here a little bit more.

And in 1827,

John Jacob Astor,

one of the famous Astor family here, established a post of his American fur company at the foot of the bluff. So five buildings were built to house workers and the business, and the area became known as Rat Row, which is what you want your area to be known as yeah rat row i wonder if that was it rat fur they were dealing in i mean if you're making fake furs i guess you can make it out of rat and just tell people or whatever the fuck it is that's like a big rat um one of the earliest descriptions of keokuk was by a guy named caleb atwater in29.
So let me set the scene. 1829 Keokuk.
Here's what we're dealing with. The village is a small one containing 20 families, perhaps.
The American Fur Company have a store here and there is a tavern. Many Indians were fishing and their lights on the rapids in a dark night were darting about, appearing and disappearing like so many fireflies.
The constant roaring of the waters on the rapids, the occasional Indian yell, the lights of their fires on the shore, and the boisterous mirth of people at the doggery, which is a... Dog race track? No, no, a doggery back then is like a shitty tavern.
Like that's the scummy bar. That's the dive the dive bar that's the dive find me that's no no no no the doggery is the place where you find like two dollar hand jobs that's the oh yeah not not a you like a you like a dive bar but not a real dive bar you like a bar that's got into some so you got a bar that you like a bar that bought stools from a bar that went out of business so it looks old.
Like, that's what you like. You don't like any place that's actually dangerous, though.
You always say that, but you go to, like, nice bars. Sometimes I walk into dive bars and I'm just like, oh, this ain't it.
That's what I mean, yeah. This is death.
This is actual dive bar. I don't want to sit in actually where people are miserable.
To me – Doggery. A real – it's a squalid tavern is what the definition is.
To to me like a real dive bar is a place where people go to be sad not to be not to enjoy you want to go to enjoy yeah yeah i go to a dive bar that like at night sometimes it's happening yes exactly not just there's more sad people staring into their drinks and offering someone a drink might remind them that they're doing worse than you exactly you don't want that you get stabbed in the parking lot so the boisterous mirth of people at the doggery attracted by attention occasionally while we were lying there fish were caught here in abundance so there's that um kia kuk was the longtime home of Orion Clemens, who was Mark Twain's brother. Sure.
And Mark Twain used to visit his brother's home and led him to write of the beauty of Keokuk and southeastern Iowa in the Life on the Mississippi story he wrote. At one time here, it was known as the Gate City because of its position at the lower rapids of the Mississippi.
I guess Howard Hughes is from here.

Is that right? Yes. Crazy, rich

ass Howard Hughes is from here.

Piss in the bottles, drink the milk. That's the guy.

Fingernails and giant planes.

Yeah. That guy

died.

That movie, they make him out to be like he died

penniless. That man died a billion.

Oh, he had so much money.

His brain was mush. It didn't matter.
Yeah. Right, right.
Reviews of this town. Here's five stars.
Keokuk grows on you. Yeah, like VD.
Yeah. I wasn't always fond of this town, but since moving into my own place, I've grown to appreciate this area.
You are never lonely because some of your classmates stay behind to go to school or to start families you're never lonely because people can't get out of this town is what that says to me don't worry no one else can get out either it's fine this sounds like a barnacle but none of us can leave can't leave you are close to the great miss River, which has breathtaking views of the bald eagles once winter is over.

It's also a low cost of living area, so this would be an ideal place to save money and help build your career with the job opportunities in the area, which are like factories.

So I don't know how that works.

I'm excited to be able to attend college and get a nursing degree right here in my hometown.

So that's someone who grew up there and now they're in college. Okay.
Three stars. Very small community.
Has a Walmart, which is a plus, but not much beyond that. That's a plus? Yeah.
When one of the features of your town is the Walmart, that says a lot there. Needs some new things and places.
It sounds like it does. Yeah.
Three stars. I would actually probably not live here again if I never lived here before.
Okay. Well, yeah, if you didn't live there before, it would be impossible to live there again.
Again, right. Again requires a first time.
A before, yeah. So, yeah, you just made that rule and figured it out all on your own there.
There are better towns and cities to live in that are not eliminating things each year. Eliminating what? Oh, so it's dying.
Apparently. I've just lived here all my life, so it's very hard to just up and leave.
Yeah, you're stuck here once you're here. Yeah, sounds like your roots are there, bud.
This place used to be very kid friendly, but now there isn't much for kids to do

and that's why crime has gotten higher.

If I could tell people, I

would say go to a bigger, better place.

And that's the thing. For a small town,

population 9,977,

the crime

rate here when we get to it

is outrageous for a 10,000

person to out-fucking-rageous.

It's crazy. And this person believes that the solution is putting in playgrounds so that there's witnesses.
I don't know. Yeah.
I mean, if you keep kids busy, they'll do less crime. That's I mean, they figured that out a long time ago.
That's true. But I don't know if it's all children.
That's what I mean. All the crime is kids.
Give me a break. So 9,977, 53% female, which is way above the national average, and especially for a town of 10,000 people.
Apparently criminal women here. Median age is 40, which is just a little bit higher than the national average.
About 43% married, which is lower than the national average. 25% are single with children.
So all of the family town stats, it's like the opposite of that. Race in this town, 87.3% white, 4.7% black, 1.6% Asian, and 3.3% Hispanic.
Religion, 50-50 in religion. It's right at the national average.
Yeah, you got your other

Christian is high here. Also, Catholic is high here as well.
So there's that. 0.0% Jewish there.
Unemployment rate here is 5.7, which is above the national average at this point. Median household income, $44,770.

$25,000 a year less than the average national average. That is not good.
Household income average under $45,000 a year for everyone in the house. Average build your wealth, build your fortune.
What was that person saying?

Yeah, that's what I mean.

It'd take you so long.

It'd take you forever to build something up and, yeah, build a career or whatever the hell she was saying.

Cost of living where 100 is regular average.

Here it's 72.

And the low one is housing.

Housing is a 25 out of 100.

That is incredibly cheap.

Median home cost here. Median home cost.
$81,800. That is less than a new pickup truck.
Yeah. You understand a Dodge Ram costs more than that.
Think about that. My neighbor just bought a Dually for $92,000.
Exactly. But I was like, yeah.
I mean, that's, yeah. That's what they cost.
That is crazy. You could trade your truck for a house here.
That's fucking nuts. And get changed.
If you have a truck you're looking to trade in for an abode, we have for you the Keokuk, Iowa, real estate report. Average two-bedroom rental here, $730, which is like half the net, 500 less than the national average.
Here is a four-bedroom, one-bath, 2,055-square-foot house. One bath in there, huh? It's probably one and a half, I'm sure.
One hole. It's a fucking falling apart.
The outside, the paint is 90% gone on the outside of the house, so it's rotting, obviously. Every time it rains, bad things are happening.
It's built in 1900. Some of the floorboards look like you're going to fall through them.
It's an abandoned house that looks like kids It needs a lot of work. Finger each other and shit.
The listing says, here is your chance to make a home exactly what you want. Does it have acreage? No, no, not at all.
Okay. This fixer-upper's ready for you.
Investor deal and price to sell. That's true.
Number one, you'd have to make it what you want because you're not living in it the way it is and it is priced to sell five thousand dollars for this house five grand five grand for a house let's buy it not a trailer let's buy it it's 2,500 to 2,000 square feet that's in case we need to stop by there if we're driving through or something incredible wow and here's a five bedroom, two bath, 2,684 square foot house. It could

be really fucking nice, this house. That's the thing.
At one point, it was really goddamn nice. You can just tell, but it hasn't been fucked with in forever since the 40s.
It hasn't been taken care of. But there's nice woodwork and there's bones of this where you're like, hey, this was a really nice house at one point.
Obviously, a 2,700 square foot house back in the day was like a mansion just reduced by $15,000. Oh.
60 grand for that house. Maybe we take a loan and buy that one.
That's what I mean. Let's just get that.
And then this house is cool too. Three bedroom, two bath bath, 2268 square feet.
It's stone, which is like two-tone stone, which is weird, like a checkerboard almost. It's really fucking weird.
It's a nice old house. The fireplaces are insane.
Beautiful, carved. Are plural.
Many, yes. Wow.
Beautiful, like, carved fucking intricate shit on there. Really nice woodwork.
Beautiful staircase. Really cool old house.
Lots of dark old wood. $239,900.
Wow. Wow is all I have to say.
Unbelievable. You couldn't get a shed in South Phoenix for fucking $239,900.
That's crazy. The cheapest, quote unquote, livable home in Arizona, or in Phoenix, right? That piece of shit, yeah.
I remember I was talking about that. $300,000 or something.
And it was a piece of shit in South Phoenix. Dump.
On a corner of like a really bad street. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah. A really bad street.
Whereas that house is really nice, that third house. It's not bad at all.
I live there. It's not bad.
Things to do. The Big Damn Street Festival.
Big damn. Like a damn.
Oh, got it. Yeah.
Big Damn Street Festival. They say that Keokuk has a long tradition of providing fairs to its citizens.
According to local records, the city hosted both state and county fairs before the Civil War in the 1840s. They were already doing it.

The first Lee County fair was held there in 1841.

And they've also hosted the Iowa state fairs way back as far as 1869.

But they say, here it is.

It's back.

The big damn street festival.

Bring a long chair, bring a friend, bring the kids.

All are welcome to come down and enjoy the music games and food next weekend for memorable times along the scenic muddy mississippi i want to know which person was the badass that decided you know let's do let's call it the big dam let's call it the big dam weekend you're like that's a little offensive they're like now we're by the dam man it's a dam what's offensive about damming the river what's offensive what's offensive what's offensive about our way of life. What's offensive about damming the river? What's offensive? What's offensive? What's offensive about our way of life? What's offensive about year-long cropping? I'll tell you what.
So that's what's going on here. The musical lineup.
Here we go. Thursday, Big Guitars and G-Strings plays at the coveted 5.30 p.m.
slot, which is when everyone's going to be watching. Oh, yeah.
Stumptown will be there. Just a bunch of people with war wounds.
Bits and limbs. Yeah, just war injuries and things like that.
Civil War survivors limping in. They play from 8 until 11.
That's a long set. Jesus Christ, three hours of that.
Friday night, you got six strings down. We'll be playing.
All right. The Lee Henry Road.
Lee Henry Road. Okay.
Saturday, the Spruce Ells will be there. How do they have a big damn fair and they don't have a single big damn fair? They don't even have Nelly.
This is terrible. No.
Nothing. The Sprucecells sound like a Motown group.
Like, the Supremes were better, so we didn't make it, really. But, you know, we were the next up on the list, the Sprucells, me and my sisters.
Wyatt Ewing and the Boys will be playing there. You know what they play.
I was going to say, the name Wyatt, really. There's not a lot of rappers named Wyatt, you know what I mean? And the boys.
That feels like that. And the boys.
Every day you're going to have carnival rides, pedal go-karts. That's it? No, there's more.
There's more. Okay.
Pumpkin decorating, bingo, all this type of shit. Thursday, Cowboys versus Giants football game on the big screen in the beer garden.
They literally are marketing to the NFL. You're going to watch Thursday, Amazon's Thursday night game.
Here, that's part of what they advertise. That's hysterical, yeah.
Like it's a dive bar. Then there's Oktoberfest on Saturday in the beer area.
Include games and clogging dancers from the Ray Ann School of Dance. German cuisine of Bratzkraut and potato salad.
Bratzkraut and potato salad. So everybody will be good and farty for the live music shows.
A beer tasting. All this type of shit is there.
Food vendors. There'll be ribeyes in the beer garden.
Sweet Sally's will have smash burgers and ice cream.

Sure.

Oh, boy.

I'll tell you what.

The bun buster will have variety food.

Okay.

There's also an event called Rolling on the River.

Of course, yeah.

Which is called Iowa's Best Festival by a Damn Site.

That's what they call themselves.

Okay.

There's no Tina Turner cover band? Oh, God, no. No, you're not rolling on shit.
Proud Mary ain't going nowhere. All right.
It's not keeping on turning or burning or nothing. Rolling on the River has presented some of the finest blues music.
Everyone from A to Z, Anson Funderburg to Buckwheat Zadeko. Uh-huh.
Everyone. Don't know him.
You know. You know everybody.
Everybody that you don't know. It's like up in smoke.
You know, everything from like El Chicano to like Santana. You know, everything.
Yeah. You know, everything's in there.
You'll be rocking and rolling on the riverfront. Okay.
That's what it says. It promises us that we will rock and roll on the riverfront'm not i'm not sure how much rocking and rolling we're going to be doing on that riverfront whatever crime rate in this town what we're interested in here here we go property crime almost double the national average yeah i'd fucking light shit on fire too if they told me there was a big damn festival and i didn't recognize a single single person but there's 10 000 people here that's almost double violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the mount rushmore of crime is double the goddamn national average what is going on i don't know what's happening in this town but they have got to fucking chill out man because this is a lot so that said let's talk about some murder wow i have to preface this by saying this is one of the most head-shakingest stories I've ever fucking put together for this show.
It is goddamn weird, and I'm glad it's episode 1,000 of our whole thing because it needed to be something weird, and this is fucking weird. So let's get into this.
And the first one of a new year. First one of a new year.
Yeah, starting out a new year fresh on a thousand so let's talk about some people first let's talk about theresa lynn lund first of all all right theresa born in 1962 she is uh she's born in iowa city iowa all right which i would assume is where the most iowa you get comes from. Yeah, I've heard of it only because my substitute teacher was an Indian lady, like from India.
Yeah, yeah. And the way she would say Iowa City College cracked me up.
That's the only time I've ever heard Iowa City. Yeah.
So her parents are William and Velva. Velva? Like Aqua.
Yeah. That's how someone named her after cheap cologne.
Or cheese and vagina mixed together. Yeah.
Velva is the oddest name I've ever heard of. I've literally never heard that name before.
Never, no. Maybe it's a family name.
Maybe it's short for something. I don't know.
don't know so she grows up theresa grows up with three brothers so if you're the only girl with three brothers there's two ways to go you can either be like those boys are gross and be like extra girly princesses princessy or you can fucking figure out how to swing a bat and go out and play with be a tomboy with the boys because there's otherwise you're just going to be real bored in your house yeah so she has three brothers and chooses the tomboy route here where she's always outside playing and fishing and you know playing ball and shit like that love that yeah cool stuff for her um she ends up getting married very young hell yeah and this is 18 and this is 1980't 1950. So, you know, that's no reason to get married at 18.
But she got married at 18. Apparently she was in love and got married.
She's going to get divorced, you know, pretty soon. Relatively fast.
Relatively fast. She's going to have a daughter from this relationship in 1981.
Yeah. And then have another daughter in 1986 from a different relationship here.
I believe that's a guy named Randy that she married as a daughter with him. Things don't go well with Randy, her second husband.
No. So she gets a divorce from Randy as well.
OK. And then she meets a guy named Terry Bell.
And Terry Bell is the one for her, she decides here. And she marries Terry Bell in 1990.
Right. So she got married first in 1980, and then in the last 10 years, she's been married twice.
She has two kids. Sure.
And now she's married again. So I'm making a go of it here.
And she's not even 30 yet. This is 28 years old.
That's a lot of life to live. It's hard living.
There's not a lot of people now who are 28 years old and twice divorced and getting married again and have two children. It doesn't happen that often nowadays.
Yeah. In fact, my mom was 24 when she did exactly this.
Yeah. Back in the day it was normal when i say it like people are shocked yeah what yeah my parents were 24 and divorced yeah it was the same shit yeah not twice but once but uh your dad was on like his fourth wife he's cruising so they have a daughter Tressa, born in 1991.
And Tressa has very fond memories of the early 90s with her mom. She said that she was very much a hands-on mom.
She would play with us, help us with things. She shared her love of music with us.
She describes her mom as just being, you know, always there for the kids and very much present and uh very much you know she's not like sitting off on her own going i don't know i'll get with you later you know she's actually diving in getting on the floor doing shit with the kids which is nice building blocks let's do it so on july 16th 1996 she has three girls now by the way So far, yeah. She's had three girls.
Now her and Terry Bell have a son, finally, in 1996. This is her fourth kid, obviously, and first son.
His name is Paul Eugene. That's what they name him, Paul Eugene.
So now as this is going on, it's a hard time for them. It's a happy time, but it's also very hard for Teresa because he's a works as a crane operator, Terry Bell, which is a good job.
And there's a lot of travel involved, too, in different parts of the state to do different jobs and things like that. So he his job transfers him to Gary, Indiana at this point.
Oh no. And they just had a baby and, you know, moving with a newborn and figuring all that out.
That's easy. Yeah.
New city. That's all other kids too.
And they're exactly, there's three other kids to deal with too. Hey everybody.
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And this is the thing, too. Back then, this is 1996, pre-cell phones.
So we're talking the only way for them to communicate, well, one's in Keokuk and one's in Gary, is long-distance phone calls, which are still very expensive back then. Crazy.
The 96 is even before rush remember the late 90s early 2000s all those like call this number it's only 10 cents a minute yeah 10 10 220 and all that bullshit the one that had 20 minutes for like two dollars right that was great because my father would harass my grandmother with that because she was so cheap she would call him and, and as 20 minutes would come, she'd start to panic. And so she'd hear, okay, well, she'd start going crazy, my cheap racist man.
And then my father would, like, at that point be like, oh, I forgot to tell you about and start a long story just because he knew in the next 30 seconds she would panic. Oh, she'll hang up on you.
All right, I go now i buy click 1955 click done she had a goddamn timer next to her to not pay an extra dollar she was so cheap so um yeah so that was the time back then so that's 96 they when he's in gary they only talk like every other night on the phone yeah it's hard and it's a short call and okay let me talk to the kid okay good good night goodbye that's it like fucking beats a boy sure yeah no texting no emailing no any of that shit so at this point you know that's that's how they're doing it so that's difficult yeah you know god jesus they got to be clamoring for email oh my god yeah it's in 1996 there was email but not everybody was on the in 1996. Just like kids our age were on the Internet.
And they were like on AOL fucking. Trying to find a chat room.
Dicking off with each other. Exactly.
In chat rooms and shit. ASL, that shit.
Yeah. Nobody was doing anything productive on the Internet at that point.
So everything is going well, though. That's July.
Over the next month, like we said, he's going to gary he comes back though sometimes on the weekend every once in a while she'll go there for the weekend and you know with the kids and it's a sure you know the next month and a half are just a hard time but they're making it work you know what i mean august 28th 1996 okay uh terry is our theresa i'm sorry teresa so she could be terry too so yeah she could be terry terry and terry yeah they could easily be terry and terry which is very weird it's amazing yeah so teresa's mom doesn't know where she is she can't find her one morning and grandma grandma this is velva we're talking aqua right aqua can't find her and a friend of hers can't find her either so a friend of hers call talks to velva and they're talking it over have you seen theresa i don't know where theresa is her she doesn't really if you have that many kids and a newborn people know where you are every minute because very yeah very predictable your movements you don't just decide to go do something for five hours because you have a newborn, people know where you are every minute. You should be very predictable, your movements.

You don't just decide to go do something for five hours because you have a newborn.

So if you're going to do something that would require long times,

you would probably get someone to be a sitter for your kids.

So it's a weird thing.

She's last seen that morning on August 28th dropping her kids off at school at 730. So that So that's when she's seen and then nobody can find her.
She's not at home. Everybody expects her to be home after that because that's what her routine is and she's not home.
So Velva goes out and looks for her. It's a small town so you can actually go look for someone, you know.
Yeah. Yeah.
She ends up finding her car in a grocery store parking lot. At the grocery store, okay.
But Teresa's not in the grocery store. And she's not in her car.
And she's not in her car, but her car is there. So what she does, Velva has a spare key to the car.
So she opens it up to see if anything's... Amiss.
Amiss, awry, whatever. She opens it up, and the first thing she finds, which is not a good sign, is Teresa's purse and checkbook are under the front seat.
If you went into the store, you would need those. If you go anywhere, you'd need your purse.
So, you know, that's strange right away. She's not in the car, but her purse and checkbook is weird.
Yeah, but my is like if she if everything's uh above board and innocent when she parks yeah it that's the instant that it it goes awry because her car or piece her person and and checkbook are there and if she went into the store she would take that with her absolutely she would need to pay for food that's how you paid for shit that's so bizarre so she uh then looks in the back seat and notices the car seat isn't in the car she's got a newborn and she always has the car seat in the car obviously for the newborn and the car seat isn't in the car so what she she's saying now so she drove to a grocery store and left the newborn where where not with me i'm the one who would watch the newborn so yeah where the fuck is the kid and why would she this makes no sense that that would be in there but and the purse none of it makes any sense so she's very freaked out by this and she calls 9-1-1 right away they call 9-1-1 and she says yeah my daughter and her infant son i don't know where they are but you know if not to car if not to have them take the report on the daughter for sure they'd take it on the infant i mean yeah absolutely there's an infant infant and her mother missing that's an infant and his mother missing so she's last seen dropping the children off at school at 7 30 and velvet tells a story went looking for her found her car you know opened it up checkbook pocketbook car seat missing blah. So the police, the first person they want to talk to is Terry, the husband.
Yeah. Because Velva tells the police, you know, they say, what's her life like? Who is she? You know what I mean? And she says, well, she's married to this guy.
They've been married for six years. They have two kids, and she has two kids before.
That goes over the whole thing. And she tells tells police Terry hasn't been the best husband.
No, their relationship is kind of strained at the moment. So the police are like, OK, missing woman guy.
Go and play different places for work. Strain relationship.
Strain of a newborn on the marriage. Yeah, I think we're looking in the right spot here.
They're thinking, you know what I mean? Fleeing to Gary, Indiana. Yeah, he's going to lose his alibi as I was in Gary.
Give me a break. No one's in Gary voluntarily.
Nobody goes to Gary. No one's going there, chief.
So the police try to reach Terry and they call him and can't get a hold of him. Yeah.
That's the other thing. They call him.
They can't get a hold of him. They can't get a hold of him.
They keep trying to call him and no one can find him. Landwounds don't go up to the crane, babe.
And that's the other thing. There's no cell phone.
So if he's not home, where the fuck is he? Who knows? He could be out to dinner, but you can't get a hold of him. So he apparently, they finally do get a hold of him.
Okay. And they get him to drive back to Gary, or they get him to drive back to talk to them.
Kia Cod. Yeah.
So he says he last saw Teresa two days before she went missing. She went missing on a Tuesday.
He saw her on the weekend. He saw her on Sunday.
It was the last time. He said that Teresa had been in Gary with the kids.
She came to Gary. I guess he picked her up, brought her to Gary, and then they went back to Iowa.
He drove them back to Iowa Sunday, and then he drove back to Gary on Sunday. How long a ride is that? That's a lot of fucking driving.
If it's three hours to Des Moines, but I guess that would be up. That would be on the west side, right? It would be north of there.
Even still, it's probably hours of driving. It's hours.
It's a couple hours at least. It's a few hours.
So, yeah, they went back to Iowa. Then he drove back to Gary.
And he said, that's the last time I saw her was on Sunday when I drove back to Gary. Yeah.
And they said, well, when did you – have you spoken to her? And he said, I didn't speak to her that morning that she went missing. Okay.
Again, there's no morning text or anything like that. Right other night, there was a phone call, and otherwise, you just assumed the person was fine.
And in the morning, when he gets up for work, it's probably 4 a.m. You're not going to wake the house up to say good morning.
Start waking fucking babies up at 4 a.m. after she's probably been up half the night feeding this goddamn kid.
Craner operators are on site at like 5 a.m. Oh, yeah, that's an early day for those motherfuckers.
That's a crazy one, yeah. So August 29th, they really start a missing person investigation now because this is fucking crazy.
They go into the house. Terry allows them access to the house.
Nothing is missing from the home. No forced entry, no nothing amiss, no, you know, her jewelry is flung about or anything like that no like quick packing there's no like uh you know clothes that were drug out of the case or anything yeah like you could tell somebody packed as much as they could and fit it in with suitcase and left everything else on the bed like none of that shit is there take off before the kids get out of school go go go kids at school come on yeah that's taking off well that's what i mean and she is a very

involved on the bed like none of that shit is there take off before the kids get out of school go go go kids at school come on yeah that's taking off while that's what i mean and she's a very involved mom with four kids that's just not her style it's just not period so there's nothing missing from the home there's no anything like that they check banking activity on her accounts there's been no activity there either no atms are hit up no no it hasn't gotten any cash hasn't done anything hasn't written any checks so and that's you know now it's much easier back then you could still just kind of live on cash so if someone was gone for a day then and there was no banking activity that wasn't a big deal whereas now they'd be like what, what did they fucking go to Mars? Where'd they go?

Some places don't even take cash. It's like, this is American

money. What are you talking about?

They have to take cash, actually, too. That's the fucked up part.

There's cashless places.

I know. They're actually legally not allowed to do that,

which is funny. If you really pushed it, they have

to take the cash.

Look on the bill. It says, for all debts,

public and private, that means

that you have to take that.

If you owe a debt and I try to give

this to you, this counts, whether you

Thank you. Look on the bill.
It says for all debts, public and private. That means that you have to take that.

You have to take this.

If you owe a debt and I try to give this to you, this counts.

Whether you want it to or not, it counts.

So they could say 20 bucks.

No, we don't take cash.

You can put cash on the counter.

They can't call the cops on you.

You gave them cash.

So it's one of those things. Tell them to call the cops.

Go ahead, motherfucker.

Call the cops.

Yeah.

They didn't give us our preferred method of payment. Okay.
cash do you have 20 dollars you fucking idiots we're to the point in the world where we don't even know what to do with it well i wouldn't know what to do with it there's no slot in a register and i can't but okay well fucking a then never mind they can't make change what are you talking about i can't't do it. So August 29, 1996, not 2006.
Like I said, nothing missing, nothing off the banking, nothing like that. So they can document her whereabouts until about 8.30 a.m.
That is about how far they can get to. They get from school to somewhere else she went, and then they don't know.
After that, it kind of disappears. Then it's over.
Now, Terry says, they talk to Terry, obviously, and they're saying, what's the story with your relationship? He says, oh, it's great. It's a dream marriage.
Now, Velva says, no, it's a little bit strained. And a couple of her friends say the same thing.
That it's strained? Yeah, and marriage hasn't been and you know there's been fighting and there's been this and that so now if terry would have just said i don't know i mean we have our normal problems it would have been less suspicious than saying everything's great when other people are going that's not what she says you just say things like i don't know man we're married or yeah or he could just say like i don't know i fucking live in gary indiana so to me it's great i don't even really pay attention that much he's so busy with his crane he doesn't even realize his marriage is strained i feel like i'm putting your feet in the air man it's great i know i'm all alone it's pretty peaceful up there anyway i don't know so they asked terry all right terry we want to rule you either in or out here we gotta i mean you're the husband you're the first person obviously that's a suspect so we have to talk to you will you take a polygraph test and just let's just clear this off and he said no problem okay okay so they sit him down do the polygraph test it's inconclusive I mean that's neither here nor there on the relevant questions. Right.
He, it's inconclusive. I mean, that's neither here nor there.

On the relevant questions, it's an inconclusive result.

So they can't rule him out at this point.

They're like, well, we don't like, they didn't like his answers on the polygraph, and they

made the cops very, very suspicious of him.

So they really go into working on going to Gary and figuring out if he has an alibi. And eventually they find that he has an airtight work alibi.
Yeah. Air fucking tight.
That morning he was at work. Yeah.
Yeah. If that crane's moving, he's there.
Well, it's after 730. If after 730 he's in the air, that's it.
There's no way he could have done it. He's sitting in a fucking crane up in the air.
there's no way he could have been hundreds of miles away murdering somebody so or kidnapping or doing anything so they say terry's out even though they were very suspicious of him and he looked like there were you know the cops are like he's the fucking guy he did that's our guy yeah that's our fucking guy where'd he put his wife where's he keeping her yeah but uh no they stay rule him out based on the alibi so people are starting to lose hope here after a few days this is insane that she doesn't show up so yeah police say after a little bit of time goes by here you know a week or two cops start saying they're losing hope here that they're ever going to find them alive where the fuck are the other three kids are they just with their grandma they're with their fathers at this point one is with Terry and two are with the other fathers they go with their fathers now at this point so I guess that yeah the captain had visited Teresa's mother and told her that this is crazy to go to a victim, disappeared victims, disappearing victims, parent and said woman said, what says that you should maybe start thinking about starting to let go. Tells the mom, like start giving up hope, basically.
Look, there's not a lot of positive outcomes that can come from this at this point. So you should just probably, you might as well do a memorial now.
I'm sure she's dead somewhere. Can I play vigil at best? I don't know.
Something, I don't know. Maybe a Ouija board.
I'm not positive. But do whatever you got to do, figure it out.
Mark the date and next year really throw a party or something. Do something.
Yeah don't know. Yeah, something somber possibly.
I'm not sure. So, yeah, started talking about, and also he started talking about her, and so did the mother started talking about Teresa in a past tense.
God damn. Yeah, they ever killed off in two weeks.
She's dead, gone, floated down the Mississippi. She could be in the Gulf of Mexico by now.
We have no goddamn idea. Floating.
She's probably a skeleton now. I can imagine.
Skeletonized. What are we doing? So let's talk about another pregnant lady.
Okay. Another baby lady here.
Pregnant lady. Was pregnant at the same time as Teresa and knew Teresa based on their mutual pregnancy.
Pregnant women make pregnant friends make pregnant friends it's weird they like they don't want to do that shit alone they like having someone else to go do you have to pee so do i oh my god he doesn't understand shit neither does he i got a foot on my bladder right now i have to pee he stubs his toe and says he understands this. gets it uh this is kimmy k-i-m-m-i that is her legal name by the way kimmy lynn another lynn middle name kimmy lynn hardy her name is okay she is born in 1960 so around the same age sure yeah they're pregnant at the same time she's got kids and all that kind of thing um now a little bit about Kimmy aside from her husband who we'll talk about kind of a new a new marriage she really doesn't know too many people in Keokuk not really her doesn't have a lot of friends neighbors say that the couple kind of keeps to themselves her and her husband and even her in-laws say they don't know shit about Kimmy.

What? neighbors say that the couple kind of keeps to themselves her and her husband and um even her in-laws say they don't know shit about kimmy not a fucking thing they don't know anything about this broad it's just what's going on with kimmy well kimmy this is uh this is her robert is her new husband robert hardy bob he goes by now bob's sister said quote robert just showed up three or four months ago at a family reunion and said this is my new wife and we're gonna have a baby in a few months we weren't even invited to the wedding what the hell happened never never mind invited to it they didn't even tell you what happened afterwards i didn't even say just got back from that nothing he showed up he just showed up like, here's my pregnant wife. Nice to see everybody.
And they were like, who? What the fuck? Here's a lady who I clearly fuck a lot. I mean, obviously, I'd have to.
So this is Kim. Robert is Kimmy's fifth husband, by the way.
Five. Ooh-wee.
She's 36. Who the hell? Five husbands, 36.
That's a lot. What is she doing? She is competing with your father for most marriages in a lifetime.
You think she's a wistman? I was going to say, she's honestly got the lead out of the fucking gate here. I bet she's beating him at this point.
Five by 36? She's going to have nine by 65, no problem. She's got that covered.
Wow. So they got married recently married recently her and bob they moved into a brown one-story house at 212 north 6th street which still exists and i found it it was built in 1981 it's not very old house a new place uh three bedroom two bath 1300 square feet so yeah a little family house it's fine um starter it's sold in 2023 for 115 000 yeah not uh not real expensive around here that's wild wow so um apparently yeah kimmy was pregnant um and you know telling all the neighbors about i can't wait to have this baby with my new husband and new husband and maternity clothes and what should I name the baby and all that stuff and trying to make pregnant friends.
Is this our first kid? No, no. Are you kidding me? Five husbands, no kids.
Somebody got her. If you've been married five times, you have kids.
Why would you get divorced four times if there's no kids involved? There's not that much stress involved otherwise much stress involved otherwise that's true you figure you just stick with one because they're too lazy to do paperwork to get a divorce if there was no kids so kimmy already had three children when she married robert uh she had two sons ages 15 and 12 uh who were living with their father and had an 18 year old daughter as well. So three kids, 18, 15, 12.
Hmm. And so she started having them young at 18.
She started having them. She's got none of them in the house.
No, no, none of them in the house. And then she's pregnant now in 2000 or 1996 again.
Right. So apparently, um, the, her and Kimmy were described or Kimmy and Teresa were described as acquaintances by people apparently that Velva said that Kimmy had been friends with her daughter for the past few months like over their both pregnancies here she gave her daughter she gave Teresa baby clothes and you know I have old clothes you might want that sort of thing which is what people do and you know was trying to be friends with her, suggested they should do things together.
We can go to the thing over here. We'll get lunch.
We can, I don't know, fucking pregnancy yoga. I don't know what the hell people are doing.
So salads in the middle of the day. Yeah.
Yeah. So that's how that's.
So she, they knew each other while they were pregnant. Right.
Now, apparently she's about a month and a half. Kimmy's about a month and a half behind theresa in the pregnancy they didn't get pregnant at the exact same time right so on august 28th 1996 here uh bob hardy her husband is at work he's an industrial laborer when his foreman told him hey your wife just called kimmy just called and said tell bob the baby was born and he should come home i would say yeah that that was huh how about i'm having the baby and get me at the hospital meet me somewhere or so she she said i know you're busy yeah i know it's a long day so i just i had the had the baby and you know you should come home now.
I didn't want to interrupt you.

You didn't have to do anything. I didn't want to bother you.

That's wild. I did this so

come home and see this. And didn't even say

I need to talk to him. Told the foreman

hey let him know the baby's born.

He should come home. That's wild.

Let him know he's a foreman. Wild.

That is crazy.

Yeah. And he's

36 years old as well Bob.

And he described himself

Thank you. Let him know he's a father.
That is crazy. Yeah.
And he's 36 years old as well, Bob. And he described himself as just the happiest man in the world that day.
Sure, yeah. He couldn't get to the car to go home fast enough to see his new baby.
And they're not at the hospital, by the way. Yeah, did she do this at home? They had hired a midwife a while back.
So he assumes that the midwife delivered the baby.

And he said he got

home and she said, yeah.

He walked in the door. She was

rocking the baby in the living room and she said,

yeah, I gave birth in the bathtub today.

God damn.

Spit this kid out. So, you know, here it is.

I've had a few.

That's a rugged bitch right there, boy'll tell you something that is wow is there any other way to put that ladies if your friend said yeah you're a wide birth canal if you called your friend you're like what you up to today you texted her and she's like i just spit a kid out in the bathtub today you'd be like hey you bitch. Damn.
You kidding me? Took a couple of Advil and delivered a baby. Wow.
And he was like, okay, that sounds good. Like, yeah, why not? That's what people do.
All right. Yeah.
Wow. He said he spent the rest of the day in bed with his wife and the baby.
His new son here. His wife, his new son.
They named named the baby dusty eugene let me give him two terrible names not just one two awful names mom's vagina and also his last his name his name is no she's been married five times and it's not dusty one thing it's not as dusty there's no cobwebs on that bad boy at all dusty hardy sounds like a sex move i gave her a dusty hardy let me tell you something yeah i don't know what exactly it what it entails but it's gross the old dusty eugene i gave her you know how that works the old dusty eugene so unbelievable that's who they have a new baby they're they're happiest couple in the world so this is the same day that theresa disappears yeah so bad day for theresa's family good day for them yeah they're having the baby so a couple weeks later here mid-september early to mid-ish september kimmy throws a baby shower for herself which i thought you threw a baby shower beforehand apparently in iowa you wait till the baby's there well you gotta i don't know maybe she if she's delivering this thing in the tub she didn't know if it was a boy or a girl at the time well at the time yeah she did just want a bunch of yellow shit right that's the other thing too yeah she was so she's having it there good point she's having a baby shower here and that's that's nice i guess um one of the baby shower participants here one of her friends okay said okay she was there go to the baby shower she hears i delivered this baby in the bathtub but on in august on august 28th so kimberly steel is one of her friends that's at the at the baby shower and she had heard news accounts that this theresa because it's big news that this theresa london her baby's missing this is a fucking small town this doesn't happen all the time, despite the insane crime rate. Still, I don't think there's many, like, newborn baby and their moms being disappearing out of nowhere.
Right. It's probably not part of it.
So Kimberly was aware that Teresa was missing, and she said to her friend, quote, this is to Kimmy, quote, I told her to get a footprint of the baby and to prove to everybody that it was hers just so they didn't think because she didn't have it in the hospital she had it at home so yeah yeah make sure you know that you have like proof this is your baby and the friend said she just stared at me for a while like she was stunned then she says they're insane they're not going to touch my baby like fucking I don't care what people say I think I think I stole a baby. That's crazy.
You fucking nuts. Right.
Then there's another lady at the party named Teresa Maness. Everybody's named Teresa or Lynn in the story.
Yeah. Or Kim.
Or Kim. She noticed a little bit of something peculiar about old, the old dusty Eugene here.
Yeah. She said she was really concentrating on this boy's dick apparently.
And she noticed that the boy's circumcision was nearly healed already. Oh, he's already been circumcised? Already been circumcised and healed up.
Everything. How about that? Also that his umbilical cord had already fallen off.
Oh. They say that his circumcision takes about 7 to 10 days to heal and then an umbilical cord had already fallen off and they say that a circumcision takes about seven to ten days to heal and an umbilical cord takes seven to 20 days to fall off so it's in the realm of possibility okay this is all if she had she didn't do this in the same day that's i mean this is two weeks after the baby's born so it could very easily be like maybe the kids are just ahead he's a quick he's a quick healer healer yeah fast healer, yeah.
He's got the constitution of a bull. He's got good clotting time.
Don't worry about it. Strong little bastard.
Strong. So it's interesting here.
So Steele also says that she used to live with, Kimmy used to live with Steele's two brothers, Rod and Jeff, separately for a time, although she didn't know which years. She said that at the time, Kimmy had a one-year relationship with her brother Jeff and had faked a pregnancy, telling him that she had delivered a stillborn at the hospital.
She came home and was like, I had the baby.

It was a stillborn.

Don't worry about it.

What do you want for dinner?

Like broccoli or asparagus.

Yeah, it's weird.

So after Jeff and Kimmy split up, Rod and Kimmy lived together for about a month.

Okay.

And at that point, this woman said that Hardy again said she was pregnant.

Now with the other brother's kid. Okay.
I've been knocked up by both brothers. And she said she got a little pooch around her stomach.
And she said, though, that when Rod moved out, this woman said that Kimmy's stomach wasn't as big anymore. She said, I thought you were having you were pregnant.
Now you look thinner. And she said, said what happened and kimmy told her she had an abortion okay that's what happened got rid of it we weren't working out and yeah i'm not gonna keep his fucking yeah so the one lady who's talking about the umbilical cord and the circumcision scars she calls the police really and says i don't know if it's not for nothing but there's a lady that has a kid that looks way too fucking old to be two weeks old this kid does not look two weeks old uh circumcision is healed umbilical cords off and just looks like an older kid newborns are all they're just little skin i don't even want to touch it, they're weird.
After two months, they start to look like people after that. You know what I mean? They start to...
They got color, for Christ's sake. They got color, their faces and all weird, smashed up like a puppy.
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Now back to the show. They get to be so they said this kid just looks fucking too old man yeah to be a just check it out check it out so september 17th 1996 the cops knock on the door imagine this kimmy's house yeah and they go hey just you's a missing woman and, you know, all of this stuff and everything like that.
Can we see your baby? Can we maybe check your baby out? And she was like, oh, yeah, this is my baby. Absolutely.
And I love my baby. Everything's fine.
Yeah. She said she had her, you know, this is my fucking baby.
I don't know what you're talking about. so yeah she said at that point they said

okay had her you know she's this is my fucking baby i don't know what you're talking about so um yeah she said at that point they said okay but that baby is older than you're saying it is and she said no no no no no so then they said anything about kids well we're gonna we're gonna run the footprints on this baby and we're gonna see what's going on here yeah and they run the

footprints and they find out it's it's the lund baby it's a hundred percent him she's got paul

lund in her arms wow so they said where'd you get this fucking baby yeah and she said theresa lund

sold me the child and took off skipped town okay sold you got two stories they said how much

Thank you. lund sold me the child and took off skipped town okay sold you got two stories they said how much yeah she said three grand is that the going right i think that's way cheap for a healthy newborn baby boy probably 100 i think that's probably too cheap so yeah she said yeah she just she sold me the baby and took off three grand you get this baby you know i said it it was mine because I didn't want to get her in trouble.
I don't think you're allowed to sell your baby and leave. Now explain this to your husband.
This is going to be a fun dinner conversation. So then Aqua Velva Green said, this poor woman, said that she, I'm not making fun of her, but that name is wild.
She said, my daughter wouldn't sell a baby and run away leaving her three other children behind at school at school she didn't just she didn't sell all of them right so she said my daughter's not like that her children are her life and also that would be just crazy for anyone even if she hated her kids would do that who sells one leaves the others at school and leaves that's crazy even andrea yates probably thought of that was oh that's nuts that's nuts right can't do that holy shit now while this is going on once the officers start saying they're going to take the baby from her bob hardy starts trying to attack them with a piece of steel he starts trying to hold them off off with a rebar. He doesn't believe it.
Don't you come near my wife and baby. Yeah.
So they have to like fucking wrestle him to the ground with his rebar and he's going to be charged. You've been lied to too, Bob.
Yep. He's going to be charged with brandishing a steel pipe at police officers.
Can't do that. So they get them down to the police station.
There's a lot to sort through here. Like, what the fuck is happening? So at this point, they talk to a bunch of other people, and one of their friends said that Hardy had once admitted, Kimmy once said, I love my husband more than life itself.
This is at the police station, station she says this I never meant to get him involved in all of this I just wanted to give him the son he always wanted that's what she said now this woman that she says this to is a police department employee who was asked to sit with her in between interrogations and make sure she doesn't like banging start banging her head on the walls or anything so apparently this woman said that kimmy cried for hours and hours saying things like no one will forgive me for what i've done and i never meant to ruin so many lives make sure she doesn't do anything kooky she's doing the kookiest shit i've ever heard all sorts of shit and. And if you hear that, no one will forgive me for what I've done.

I never meant to ruin so many lives. You're like, what did you do? Yeah.
What have you done? You can tell me everything. Somebody press record.
Then she said, I have done something so wrong that I can never be forgiven for it, and I'm going to have to pay for it. Oh, boy.
Wow. So then another, I'm'm sorry the same woman who was sitting her at the with her at the police station said holy shit oh this is a different employee said she said the same thing i know i did something wrong i could never be forgiven for it she's then afterwards after a pause she said i know it was wrong but not that wrong well what did you do you have a baby that's not yours and where the fuck is the mom of that baby and you lied to a man for months not that wrong no i was trying trying to give him what he wanted they said okay you paid three grand for this baby your husband's a laborer you guys don't have a lot of money where'd you get three grand from right how's that She said said selling fake drugs to people at local bars i've been selling a lot of oregano that's what i do is she said i sell ice flour cocaine she says flour and baking soda she makes coke fake coke and sells that to people crazy and made three thousand dollars off of that which is somehow the sanest thing she said she's done in this entire thing so far i don't know how that works people snort arm and hammer and fucking flower man and we are at the tip of the crazy iceberg i'm talking this is about to blow up into the craziest shit you've ever heard all right first things though you gotta give those police the most credit for actually going to her house and being like let me get a a look at that baby.
Well, what else are they going to do? I don't know. They're at work.
They're punched in. Not fucking do anything.
They're all punched in. Might as well go do your fucking job.
It's like saying, I got to give that McDonald's employee so much credit. He took the fries out, put them in a cardboard thing and handed them to me.
Is that their job, though, to go look at somebody's baby? In a missing person baby? baby yeah to make sure that baby is not the one you're looking for it's exactly their job like a hundred percent i just don't know that i just don't know that would be like let's go look well if they got a tip saying this baby is suspicious yeah it's older than it should be and she knew the victim yeah i think it's really it would be a glaring error if they didn't go take a look at that baby like fireable offense town police force going this lady says that she thinks that this baby's like stolen or something and somebody else can go yeah that bitch probably just wants her own baby yeah she's probably just barren she barren And that's all. Barren and jealous.
Inhospitable womb, that's what happened. So now they got Bob in there, too.
He's got to be just so. He's beside himself.
He is. He's fucked.
He doesn't know what to do. He said he came home.
You know, he said he came home. He hung out with them that day with the baby.
He said the next night, the next day he came home. You know, he said he came home.
He hung out with them that day with the baby.

He said the next night, the next day he came home and both sets of their parents were there.

He went to work the next day, came home, and her parents and his parents were both there.

Everybody was there.

So he was like, oh, okay, that's nice.

He said, but as they're in the house and he's standing around, he said he noticed a foul odor. Oh? He's like, babies stink, don't they? I've always heard they smell nice.
This newborn is nasty. That's not good at all.
This newborn's funky, dude. You nasty, kid, I'm telling you.
So he said, at first I thought the sewer had backed up again because this has happened before. It smelled like shit.
The sewer's backed up into the basement before and had shit smell. Then while their guests were still there, his wife pulled him aside and said, I have to tell you something.
And he said, well, what's that? She said, there's a corpse in our basement. That's what smells.
You know that smell? There's a dead person downstairs causing that smell. He goes, get the fuck out of here.
What are you talking about? Who could be dead in our basement? We just had a baby. Aren't you busy? What's going on? So he said that he had to sit there for the rest of the time with both sets of parents going, oh, yeah, this is great, and bouncing the kid on the knee with that in his head.
Yeah. Then after everybody left, he went downstairs, and he said that he removed a large board that was covering a crawl space in the laundry room.
Okay. And that's when he saw a red sweatsuit with, like, a leg in it.
Uh-huh. And he said he became very ill at that point because he saw it was a dead woman in his crawl space dressed in a red sweatsuit.
Yeah. He said he became ill, but quote, I grabbed the body by the ankles and pulled it out.
Okay. Okay.
He said the body left a trail of blood on the laundry room floor and that he saw what he assumed to be two gunshot wounds to the head of this woman that he found. Okay.
Yeah. So, he, now, you, it's been a wild week.
Okay. Bob goes to work one day.
On a Tuesday. He goes to work, gets a call.
You got to go home. Your wife had the baby.
You go home. Your wife says she had a baby in a bathtub and she's sitting there with it.
That's a weird day right away. Okay.
Your wife gave birth to a month old baby. A month and a half old baby.
But so exciting that you might overlook the weird parts of it. Yeah.
Sure, sure. And the next day you come home.
Oh the in-laws are here my parents are here everybody's here we gotta do this what is that smell yeah now there's a now you're literally yesterday morning you went to work everything's normal now you've had in the last day and a half you've had fucking babies born weird shit happening and now you're dragging a corpse through your laundry room by its ankles. What a weird week for Bob.
With blood leaking out of it. Oh, yeah.
So rather than going, this is crazy, he goes, well, we got to get rid of this body, I guess, right? I mean, I got a wife and a baby here. I got to protect my family.
So he wraps the body in plastic and an old comforter. Then he said he dragged it up the stairs and put it in the bed of his Ford pickup.
Oh, my. Which is worth more than his house.
Yeah. It's a badass truck.
He then drove to Alexandria, Missouri and dumped- Cross state lines. Cross state lines and dumped the body near a set of railroad tracks.
Just dumped it near the tracks. Go away.
He later then dumped the plastic and the comforter in one place. He took it out of there, dumped her body out.
Unwrapped the Christmas gift. Unwrapped it.
And took the wrapping with him. Because that could be connected to him, I guess.
He was being half smart. And dumped that somewhere else and then threw the gun into a pond.
He's done this before. He's a dangerous man.
This is before constant true crime shows. I don't know where he would get how to do this, but he did it.
Wow. He said he became sick the whole time, and after dumping the body, he said that they returned home and that his wife, Kimmy, cleaned the basement with a gallon of bleach.
Okay. And then he attacked cops like he— Like it was crazy.
Right. Like it's crazy to take his baby from him.
Like it was their bad right you guys made a mistake bob what have you just where have you been he he also said he never connected the missing woman and her baby with the body in the basement and his new son never connected all those he's the dumbest smartest man alive oh he's a moron. Even his father says he's an idiot.
It's fucking hilarious. He said, quote, I believed the baby was mine.
I had no reason to believe otherwise. Except that it was hours.
And when you came home, it's supposed to be three hours old, and the fucking baby's a month and a half old. It's saying mama already.
What the fuck are you's trying to take its first step and you're like oh wow this just came out of your pussy what are you joking it knows where her nipple is it opened her shirt for christ yeah it knows it undid her bra for fuck's sake one-handed he needed three fingers to pop that bra strap you know this motherfucker's's experienced. He's felt girls up before.
And then you buried a body, man. Jesus.
Holy shit. So that's what he said he did.
He said he never, the body, by the way, was Teresa, obviously. She didn't kill another lady and have Teresa's baby.
Oh, shit, there's more people. It would be even wild even wilder but the cops at this point they don't know if this is the couple did this together this was a plan or if this guy is genuinely the biggest idiot they've ever met just does whatever his wife says who has no idea what to do and just really doesn't want to argue talk about not wanting to argue like i get trying to avoid an argument with the significant other.
I totally understand that. But this is above and beyond.
I've walked across town not to argue before in terms of avoiding confrontation with a live-in. You'll go leaps and bounds around your path.
I would say. But this shit's going to come up, though.
Putting a body away? No. That shit's going to come up here.
So, wow. Then they talk to him.
Once they get him kind of figured out that this is what's going on, he ends up offering to lead them to the body. I'll take you to the body.
I'll take you where I put the covering and I'll take you where I threw the gun away too. So he does.
He takes them to the body. By the way, they find the gun in a pond and it is a gun that is registered to Kimmy.
It's not even like a, it's literally a legal gun. It is their fucking gun.
It was found on a, the body was found on a remote stretch of railroad tracks near Alexandria, Missouri. Yeah.
It was nowhere. It was out in the middle of fucking nowhere.
Nobody was ever going to find this. Nope.
Two gunshot wounds to the head for Teresa, just like it was. Now, Velva said, strange as it sounds, I'm at peace that she's been found.
I can't imagine the horror of those parents whose children are missing for years and years. So she's actually relieved.
Yeah, yeah. She's been told, give up hope.
So she stopped hoping at this point. And she's just happy to have a resolution to the thing.
Now she can bury a body. Even if she didn't give up hope, at least now she's got a reason to.
Yeah, exactly. That other part of give up hope.
And they're like, but I don't have a body. Even if she didn't give up hope, at least, like, now she's got a reason to.

Yeah, exactly.

That other part of, like, give up hope, and they're like, but I don't have a body.

I can't give up hope. Yeah.

That's fucked up.

Totally.

And she said from the beginning she knew that she didn't run away.

She knew this was.

That's why I think also she was resigned to this.

She knew something was wrong.

She said her daughter would not leave that baby.

She said, I know my daughter.

She would do anything for those children.

100%. So, yeah, this must have been a wild interrogation of these two, by the way.
Bob and fucking Kimmy in separate rooms. He, like I said, the tracks, by the way, where the body is, is just south of the Iowa border.
So he just crossed over to where we'd be in another state, and maybe they wouldn't put two and two together, basically. A missing Iowa woman found.
So they also, they find the bathroom window curtain from the Hardee's upstairs bathroom. That is part of what he wrapped her in.
Really? It matched in color and pattern the shower curtain determined to have been wrapped around the dead body of Lund. Not the curtain itself.
They did the shower curtain, which was a set with a curtain and a shower curtain. Oh, and a liner, yeah.
So they said the shower curtain that you threw her out in matches your bathroom curtains. So they're from your bathroom.
Stupid. The doctor who did the autopsy said every organ except parts of her liver and intestines were gone, eaten away by decay animal or insects.
Oh, fuck. And when he turned her head to examine it, it fell off of her body.
Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
She's been out there a while. Decomposing.
Decomposing. And it's in there in late August and September.
Eesh. Tot.

It's humid.

Animals, insects, all that kind of shit. So many bugs.

Golly.

Yeah.

Shot twice in the head, they're looking at, which is wild shit here.

Now, yeah, Teresa's mom said that, you know, fucking, she said that it was horrible.

She said her kids were alive, and in the end, it cost her her life, the kids.

That's true.

Yeah.

So here's the questions.

Number one, how did Teresa's car get to the county market grocery store parking lot?

Right.

Where it was found.

That's number one.

How did Kimmy Lund, how did Kimmy Hardy get Teresa to go to their home right to go to their to Kimmy's home how did that happen they don't understand so the one detective said we're pushing every lead to try to answer these two basic questions of because that's a big part of it here they're also trying take the car seat too yes she took the well she took the baby How about to get this kid around? She has no baby. So her youngest kid is 12.
She needs a car seat. Yeah.
That's gross. That is horrifying, isn't it? Yeah.
So the cop in charge of the investigation said, we're pursuing every lead to try to answer these two basic questions because they're really important. They're trying to reconstruct the events of the day.
They can document Teresa up until about 830 where they think she's been killed. Now, neighbors of Kimmy and her husband say they have seen Teresa's car parked near Kimmy's home several times during the past few months.
so it's they find okay, that's good to know. At least it's not abnormal for her to go over there.
She could have lured her there. But they said they're not sure about that day.
The police said they were acquaintances. That's all we know.
They're not sure about how much of a connection they have. So the bail initially, first she was charged with kidnapping for having the baby.

That was a $250,000 bail.

When they find the body, bail is raised to $2 million.

Oh.

Now, this is the weird part.

The baby's placed in foster care, and the fucking actual father has to apply for custody of this baby.

How about give me my fucking baby back? What are you talking about? Yeah. Foster.
It's got a dad. We had a baby.
You stole it. Give it back now.
If it was a car, it wouldn't be put in fucking some sort of, you know. Hawk? Some sort of weird fucking.
Some impound? Yeah, I don't get it. Some strange in between fucking nebulous afterworld.
It's very strange. Give the baby back to who it belongs to.
100%. Just like you would a car.
Just doesn't make sense. So that's how that goes.
Now, the Associated Press apparently originally reported that Bob Hardy told police his wife shot Teresa Lund, but apparently he never told authorities that. He said, I found this dead woman who's been shot, and I threw the gun away that belongs to my wife, and she had her baby, but I never said my wife shot her.
Okay. Now, they have to talk to everybody to try to figure this out.
Neighbors. Would you see this person at this time? Neighbors disagree on whether she was pregnant or not.
Kimmy now. Oh.
Now, we know she wasn't pregnant, but they disagree on it. One neighbor, this is a guy named Rick Korshkin, he said if she wasn't pregnant, she did one heck of a job of faking it.
Okay. He said he lived across the street.
He saw Kimmy Hardy nearly every day. And, yeah, he said that that's how it went.
Some of the neighbors, though, said she looked a little too thin. A little too thin to be pregnant.
Okay. One neighbor here, Constance Garcia, said she was always skinny, and then lo and behold, she pulled up one day in a truck and pulled out a baby seat and brought it into the house through the back door skinny skinny skinny home with a baby yeah she goes on to say she never looked pregnant to me it seemed awful strange to me yeah you nosy bitch mind your own business now tammy who i believe believe is Rick's wife here, this is Tammy Korshkin, lived across the street from Hardy and says she was always skeptical about her claim of being pregnant.
Yeah. She said, I know what a pregnant woman looks like.
I've had four children myself. That and a pregnant woman.
She said, I knew what she, this is right from the newspaper, quote, I knew what she, I knew she was supposed to be pregnant. And this is a quote.
She said, smoking a cigarette from her front steps across the street from the Hardy's house. Yeah.
That's how she's described Tammy. I knew she was supposed to be pregnant.
You can just see her. You see Tammy, don't you? She said, but I saw her out in the yard and this was in July in shorts and a halter top and she didn't look pregnant to me how the hell does she get pregnant and don't get big and don't get big most most women show even if they're built like toothpicks most women show at least I did on every single one of mine I got fat shit.
I got fat as shit. That's why I smoke three packs a day.
I had to take that weight off. So, yeah, friends, mothers, friends who had kids themselves had touched her extended hard, bare abdomen to feel the baby kick.
And a lot of them said she appeared pregnant in every physical aspect. So we have people seeing her at the same time saying completely the opposite thing.
Interesting. One time she's in a fucking belly shirt, you know, ready to perform at the strip club.
Right. And then at the same time.
She's got a distended hard belly. Yeah.
With a baby kicking. So apparently, yeah, she must have lured Teresa to her home that day and shot her in the head twice.

Now, the sad part is Bob really believed her.

He believed her.

He said she told me she delivered a baby in the bathtub.

He told the cops that, quote, he's not educated and has never had kids before so he thought that seemed okay yeah not educated you don't know where babies come from motherfucker what are you talking about yeah so she then told robert she gave birth in the bathtub while she was alone and he said that's my baby i thought it was my baby until i discovered a body in the cubby hole in the laundry room that that kind of took it away from him uh from it he said that he told authorities he found the body the same day that the parents were there he said that he was so he was scared that no one would believe that he had nothing to do with the murder. That's why he helped dispose of the body.
Yeah.

He said, what am I going to do?

Go to the cops?

They're going to be like, yeah, right.

You didn't do this.

Yeah.

So, yeah, he said that he didn't want to tell anybody about it. He said at the time, by then, it was a day he already loved the child as if it were his own.

He even helped choose the name Dusty Eugene.

That's a dumb name. That came from came for me obviously i'm a fucking dummy who do you think came up with that stupid shit me a big fan a son of a preacher man just such a cool name just cool dude so he said i i dumped the body near the line and i was gonna raise my child as my own and that's what I did for close to a month till you guys came and just raised the baby as my own.

That's all.

Yeah.

Then they're talking.

They're in jail for 10 days.

And holy shit.

10 days after he led police to a decomposed body on a remote stretch of railroad near the Iowa, Missouri border.

This is from the Des Moines Register newspaper.

Robert Hardy and his new wife, Kimmy, sit in separate cells at the Lee County Jail. They aren't allowed to visit or even call each other, but he's not blaming his wife and he's not angry.
Jesus Christ, Bob. Those bars couldn't be strong enough to hold me from fucking going into the women's side and strangling this lady are you kidding me she's ruined your life oh my god i would fucking be paying women cigarettes to kick her in the fucking ass are you joking i'd be so angry at where i am right now yeah jesus christ he said he still loves the woman he married just four months ago they're only You only been married for four months.
What? It's so new. Oh, my God.
Holy shit. That's why they got married.
In a three-month marriage, if you're three months, 90 days you've been married, and she says there's a body in the fucking basement, we are so annulled. I can't get out of here fast enough.
Especially because they got married because she was pregnant.

Right.

Allegedly.

So she told him she was pregnant.

They got married.

And then she's like, well, I got to produce a baby.

Holy fucking shit.

He says he wants to make his marriage work, even if it's from separate prison cells.

That's what he said.

He's right.

He is not educated.

He is a fucking. Wow.
He's a fuck. Two cells, one heart.
That's what he said. He's right.
He is not educated. He is a fucking.

Wow.

He's a fuck.

Two cells, one heart.

That's very nice.

That's very.

Isn't that.

Hey, you know what, everybody?

If you can't make it work, I don't know what the fuck to tell you.

Because.

Bob's willing.

Bob is willing to forgive and forget.

It's 1996.

He's already got her name tattooed on his neck.

Oh, my God. Second day in jail.
He's like, can someone tattoo Kimmy on my neck? Two M's, two I's. Oh, so Robert's dad here.
Okay, Tom. Robert's dad.
Oh, no, that's his attorney's name. I'm sorry.
Robert's dad said, oh, no, this is his attorney. His attorney said, he's sick, sick about everything that's happened.
Of course, he's disappointed in her. He trusted her, but he still loves her and he still cares.
His lawyer said that. He's a moron.
Robert's father, Ralph, said, it's a really hard thing. He's a really likable guy, not a big bad guy like he's being being described he waited for 36 years to find the right woman and he thought he had found her he's willing to do anything for anything including dump bodies here um he then his father said i think he just got into something over his head my son's a big easygoing guy but not that bright he's a big dummy is what he just said my son to have a beer dummy you watch a fucking race with him or something he's great but don't ask him to do your taxes let's just say that you will be in prison idiot wow and also they said robert's robert never told his family that that he suspected anything was awry with his wife.
And also, they said they never suspected that Kimmy wasn't pregnant. Robert's family.
They said she seemed pregnant to me. Robert's father said it never crossed our minds.
I never once suspected anything was strange about her. She was eating onions like apples.
It was crazy. It was crazy.
Who does that but pregnant women? Just dipping them in fucking butter pecan ice cream it was weird strange yeah so robert's sister kim here um said that kimmy you know robert's wife persuaded robert to marry her about three months ago by saying she was pregnant with his child and the sister said you'd have to know my brother to realize how trusting and naive he is he's a fucking moron and naive that's called gullible yeah he's so dumb i think that the cops believe he's just dumb that's how dumb he is they go he is just a fucking idiot he didn't know anything about this they actually believe him at some point here so now the lawyer here uh Robert's lawyer, will not say how Robert will plead to any charges or whether he'll how he's going to do this. He did say there's been some negotiations already floated from the prosecutor's office toward Robert about getting him to testify against his wife here.
Here's a deal. Yeah.
Yeah, also the U.S. Attorney's Office has become involved because the couple might be facing federal kidnapping charges as well.
Sure. Yeah.
So anyway, Robert just sits alone in his cell, and his sister said it has to be terrible for him there, realizing he was married to a woman he never really knew. Who gives an absolute fuck? Who cares wants to be with her that's how dumb he is holy shit so around town obviously people are like whoa this is the craziest thing fucking ever this is unbelievable and they're like the one question is that everyone keeps going and saying is why would a woman who already had three children it's not like she's 36 and she's never had a child and all she's ever wanted was a child and she has three kids why would she do this why well the bob hardy's attorney says quote i've asked to see her medical records from what i gather for some reason kimmy hardy could not have any more children there it is and we'll find out exactly why in a minute too it's gonna make it even what okay check this out now that's not the other the only weird shit about kimmy here's some more weird factoids about kimmy and these aren't even the weirdest i'm saving the best one here for last okay uh, she attempted to befriend another young pregnant Keokuk woman in identical ways to how she befriended Teresa.
Oh, my God. So she was like trying to figure out whose baby she wanted to take, basically.
She was shopping. She's shopping.
Who's going to have the cutest baby? Well, someone's got to have a boy, number one, because she wants to give the guy a son.

So that's first of all. She's got to have a boy.
Also, that in addition to the gun she used to kill Teresa, she also owned three other handguns, which was an interesting fact. She signed a note a few months earlier.
I'm sorry. several years ago before this happened.

Kimi had signed a notarized contract with a teenage mother giving Hardy the custody of the woman's infant son. So she tried to, she took a bit and they ended up making her give it back, basically.
It's not legal, so you can't do that. And there's adoption and there's's all these different things now the other thing is that they found out that Kimmy had undergone she got her tubes tied in 1984 what is she doing 1984 after her last child 12 years ago she's like maybe it didn't take her her then husband pressured her into it because they had no money the family yeah and

they were having more kids so according to what he said she later became obsessed with having the procedure reversed but was informed by doctors that especially back then it wasn't really a procedure that works very well it's much easier to restore the male side of that than the female side of that so anyway her best friend uh kim steel who was at the party there at the baby shower the one that raised the flags yeah she tells them about different times that she faked pregnancies with both of my brothers so yeah making it so much better this is what i mean at the time that was going on, her tubes were already tied.

She couldn't have kids, and she's telling these guys she's pregnant. Wow.
She's telling them she had an abortion and a stillborn. Impossible.
Both ways. Steele said that she didn't doubt her friend.
Her friend here. She said that over the course of the months she pretended to be pregnant, her abdomen grew large.
Oh. you know she saw uh kimmy nearly every day and never doubted the pregnancy and felt hardy's abdomen one day because the baby had supposedly kicked so she was like oh let me feel i can't feel it now she said she had a big stomach that part wasn't fake she's sure she's sure a fat fuck that part's real she definitely on she definitely ate a bunch of Arby's, but outside of that, I don't know anything.
So this lady, Steele, said she went with Kimmy to buy the gun used to kill Teresa. Oh, my God.
She said Kimmy claimed she was going to take her son, her older son, not her baby, target shooting. Steele said that several days after the gun purchase she saw hardy trying to file the serial numbers off the gun just for target practice she's just using like her nail little nail file she's like this thing does not work they say to file it off but man all the sand just keeps coming off these things wow you gotta get yourself uh you know a grinder a fucking grinder or like a like a like a fucking hit it with a bar like you're like a you know like a chisel chisel that's a chipper is all i could come up with chisel is the word i'm looking get a metal chipper get a chisel and some vice grips and a big fucking mallet i don't know what else to say here god damn holy shit that imagined walking in on somebody trying to do that what you doing uh days later this deal cleaning my gut yeah well you're cleaning it all right days later the steel said that she called hardy and was told come on over i just had the baby it all right.
Days later, the steal said that she called Hardy and was told, Come on over. I just had the baby.
Okay. All right.
She said Hardy Kimmy was sitting in jeans and a T-shirt holding the infant. As they often do for ladies that just gave birth.
You're ready to stick your jeans on and get back into it. Tuck everything into some jeans.
Wow. Okay.
She said that Kimmy had told her that she had given birth hours earlier in the bathtub she's got a face of makeup and yeah she said that the baby seemed didn't seem pink and wrinkled like newborns did but she said that head and shit I guess she said I don't know I mean whatever you know what are you gonna I guess that's what it is yeah i guess that's how it came out oh i don't know so she had heard that's when she had heard of the disappearance of london her baby a few days later and started putting two and two together and said is this baby teresa lund's some people think so so get his footprints checked and prove they're wrong like we said earlier and that's when she said they're insane no one's touching my baby okay but this lady never reported her to the police someone else at the party reported her to the police um several members of theresa's family testifies later that a woman meeting kimmy's description had spent months befriending theresa stopping by in a gray pickup truck and, you know, giving her things and trying

to hang out with her.

Also hung around the hospital, we found out.

A local woman who gave birth after Teresa and was in the same hospital wing as Teresa

said that Kimmy offered her baby clothes, asked her to lunch and invited her over after

the woman's baby was born.

In the hospital?

Yeah.

Why don't you come by?

Thank you. her baby clothes, asked her to lunch, and invited her over after the woman's baby was born.
In the hospital? Yeah, why don't you come by? I'll give you lunch and baby clothes and shit. Come to my house.
Yeah, sure. This woman said that she, quote, ran into, but thought maybe it was more than ran into, Kimmy, several other places around town, too.
She's just always around. She was stalking her.
She stalked her stalking her. She stalked several women with newborns, it seemed like.
Holy. The woman's name, Shiana Schwab, is her name.
She said that when she failed to respond to Hardy's friendship advances, Hardy would drive past her home, giving her a dirty look. She said it was almost like she hated me for something.
For not being her friend. For not falling for her bullshit.
These con people get mad when you don't fall for their bullshit. Some of them do.
Some of them are like, well, move on to the next person. Some of them get very fucking angry when you reject them.
Then we find out, obviously, her other fake pregnancies. Her ex-husband came forward telling police that Kimmy had faked at least three pregnancies during their marriage.
Wow. She had claimed one of those pregnancies ended up with a stillbirth at University Hospital and that she arranged a funeral attended by dozens of friends.
Holy shit. It's not real.
With like a shoebox with nothing in it? We'll talk about it. We'll talk about this here.
I guess this is Wendell Smith, her old husband. Went with his wife to an Iowa City hospital in 1993 after she told him she was pregnant.
He said 45 minutes later a call came for Mr. Smith in the waiting room.
The female caller, okay, on the phone, phone in the waiting room for you. The female caller advised him that his wife had just delivered a baby boy, but the boy had died and then hung up on him.
Got to go. Your wife had the baby.
It died. Click.
Huh? What? Out of baby. It's out of baby it's a dead it's a dead yeah yeah exactly wow so the they say that the papers don't say who made the phone call they couldn't figure it out who made i think we know and they said your guess is as good as ours.
Who knows?

Yeah.

So after Wendell says, yeah, we buried a stillborn, October 19th, 1996, they dig up a baby's grave.

Oh, my God.

Let's exhume a baby.

Oh, boy.

What's in there? That's what everybody wants to do when they leave the house in the morning.

What would you like to do? I'm going to dig up the grave of a baby. That sounds perfect in that's what everybody wants to do when they leave the house in the morning what would you like dude i'm gonna dig up the grave of a baby that sounds perfect i think today so this wendell smith wendell smith consents to the opening of the grave at keokuk's national cemetery this is in the yard out of my life where there's a headstone that reads zach Zachary W.
Smith, born October 15, 1993,

died October 15, 1993, son of Wendell Smith.

That's what the headstone reads.

What do you bet that W in Zachary's middle name is Wendell?

Wendell, it absolutely is.

She named nothing after him.

What's in the grave, James?

I'm going to read from the Des Moines Register.

Oh, my God.

In Friday's frigid early morning wind. Oh, Oh god this is awesome.
It's cold and miserable. Police here opened the grave of a baby that never existed.
Marking the most bizarre twist yet in a southern Iowa case of alleged murder and fake pregnancy. The digging was part of an effort to establish a pattern of fake pregnancies by Kimmy Hardy, who's charged with luring a woman to her home and killing her.
The grave dug up Friday supposedly contained the cremated remains of a boy that Hardy had claimed was still born in 1993. Investigators believe that she faked that pregnancy.
Just before 8 a.m., authorities rested the simple white tombstone from the ground.

They dug first by shovel, then backhoe, then shovel again. More than two and a half hours later, someone else yelled up to stop the backhoe.
Hold up, we've got it. Standing in the neck-deep hole, two cemetery workers lifted a tattered cardboard box.
It was a cardboard coffin. Inside the box, police

found only a

dirty pink teddy bear.

She buried a fucking

teddy bear.

Named Zachary.

And a tombstone erected.

Oh my

God.

Diabolical bitch. That is some sick shit.
Wow. That's unbelievable.
She's supposed to be burying ashes, buried a fucking teddy bear. She stopped at like a CVS and buried the bear.
She named it. She named the nothing.
Pink teddy bear, Zachary Wendell. She named that month's period is what she named.
That's what it is because she did not have a baby. She doesn't get a period.
She didn't get anything. Oh, no, maybe not.
She didn't get a tube's tied. This bitch is crazy, man.
So the police chief of Keokuk said there was absolutely no evidence of human remains in there. This is definitely substantiates a pattern of behavior on the defendant's part.
It establishes that she's capable of faking a pregnancy and deceiving people. Up to and including buying a goddamn headstone.
That a headstone, dude, had it engraved and everything. It probably cried and went through the whole thing.

Investigators said the exhumation strengthens their charges against Kimmy.

I would say so.

She buried an idea.

Yeah.

She buried a fucking made up.

She buried a lie.

That's what it was.

They said, the prosecutor said, is our case solid at this point? Absolutely, I would say. Yeah, that's pretty good.
It looks bad. Then he said, this case has more twists than Highway 1.
Uh-huh. So they said that this case cemented the whole thing of what she is, basically.
The stillbirth purportedly happened during a visit to university hospitals in Iowa City.

The phone call is even crazier.

He said

that she came

out of the room, delivered the stillborn, they

drove home, and

on the drive back, she had

told her, Wendell Smith, the husband,

that the baby's organs were being

donated and that the hospital

would send the cremated remains to them for burial. The organs, no.
Baby organs, newborn organs. Stop it.
And they're going to, I guess, cremate the baby right there at the hospital. Yeah, they can do it right there.
And then just they're going to mail them to us. The size of an ashtray.
The husband there, the ex-hus-husband wendell said she bawled and carried on about the lost baby the whole drive home i didn't doubt for a minute that she was telling the truth he said a box a box was mailed to them several days later and his wife said it contained the baby's ashes so along with friends and family they buried the box at the National Sematary in Keokau. Then this idiot, this is how she looks for a very specific type of man because this guy says now he, quote, feels sorry for her because she's obviously sick.
No, I want to know what the fuck happened to this woman. That's her fucking problem.
He said that he was completely fooled by her at the time the time he said her belly got big it really did yeah i thought she was pregnant but um apparently she couldn't have been pregnant because she had tubal ligation years before marrying him which left her unable to have more children than the three she already had um her ex said i think she was just obsessed with having children's sick. But one thing I will say is she was always an excellent mother to her other three children.
They lived with us and they were her life. She got them into the best schools, made them dinners, helped them with their homework, everything.
Well, that's great, but you can't steal people to do that. They said it's really only after the tubal ligations that she's ligation surgery that she started manufacturing pregnancies.
Yeah. When she couldn't get pregnant anymore.
Right. Started making them up.
One guy said here, I do think there was some change in her psychologically. She wanted another child, but she couldn't be pregnant is what really tipped her over the edge.
She's deceiving. She's manipulating she murders somebody indeed wow um that's crazy so yeah i mean she goddamn fucking lured a nice woman to her house with her baby shot her in the fucking head and dragged her down basement steps stopped her in a in a cubby hole for a day and a half before telling her husband and she only told her husband because the smell was getting bad.
She was going to get caught. That's crazy.
One guy goes on to say she maintained that the charade, this charade that she was pregnant for months, I think she had this idea in her head that would be the ultimate joy would be to produce a son for Bob. At some point, she begins looking for a baby, then she finds this person.
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So now back to the show. Now, Kimmy's sitting in jail, and she tries to commit suicide in jail after a month or so.
Yeah, she's incredibly sick. She's all fucked up.
After stockpiling her prescription medication that she receives twice a day, another inmate saw her take the medication and she was rushed to a hospital and saved. Then she also starts faking illnesses in prison as well.
Yeah, they said they're pissed off, the jailers at the county jail. Sheriff Dave Ireland says, in my opinion, she feigns some illness and we have to go through all the medical hoops to have the medical community say there's nothing wrong she's a thespian and she's a very good thespian she's an actress she's an actress that's what it is it's an art form that's the ticket um so she said that they said also will is she going to plead insanity yeah they said i don't know one lawyer says the downside of any insanity defense is the months of planning and premeditation that went into this the coldness and calculation involved insanity has some real drawbacks sure does because insanity you have to go look at all the awful shit i did isn't it don't you have to be crazy to do that it's awful right like that's not good if they don't believe you're crazy now they also she's also described somehow as stoic in jail faking illnesses and trying to kill yourself is not stoic it's the opposite of stoic uh but the one jailer said i i guess i would be stoic too knowing that with a conviction on first degree murder it could be life in prison that's not stoic that bitch is thinking she's plotting plotting yeah she's

trying to figure out how to say some bullshit that'll make these people believe her by the way there is another absolutely crazy fucking twist coming up in this case oh my god she testifies and it's crazy stop it she's got a she's got a story and it is wild she still says she didn't dude that didn't kill Teresa.

Really? Didn't kill Teresa. Stole

her baby and her corpse was in my basement, but I didn't kill her. I bought it.
Yeah. It's the truth, man.
She does it. Now, the prosecutors said that Kimmy Hardy certainly left a clear trail of evidence linking her to this crime.
An excellent evidence trail, in fact. Absolutely.
She's seen everywhere seen everywhere with her yeah and you can't go the the the real hole in her story is that second bullet hole that's the bad that's the problem those are the holes yeah committed suicide twice what twice in the back of the head and she said that they also said that Kimmy started shopping a .38 caliber handgun a month before this. A month before this.
A .38. At one gun shop, she's quoted as asking the gun dealer, quote, is this gun capable of killing someone? And if so, at what range? All of them are.
I was just going to say, which one of your guns are capable of killing people? They're guns, you fucking idiot. Look at the wall.
They're all there. I got a pellet gun that could probably do the trick if you really hit someone, right? What are you talking about? These are real guns.
It's a goddamn gun, lady. The documents also quote Kimmy as telling a friend, I did something really bad that I could never be forgiven for.
So bad that I had to get Bob involved. And the county attorney said, the idea of killing a mother to get the child is something that touches a universal nerve.
It's every family's nightmare. So Robert here, his lawyer, expresses optimism about the case.
Bob. Really? Yeah, Kimmy's husband.

He says, yeah, he said,

it's hit the tabloids around the world and the residents of Keokuk are bracing themselves

for a possible media circus

complete with court TV and hard copy.

Wow.

And this is 96, so this is right after OJ.

Yeah.

So this is when court TV was like the biggest thing

in the fucking world after OJ.

And hard copy was still in existence, too.

And he's looking forward to his chance.

He's looking forward.

Velva here, mom, says crimes like this aren't supposed to happen in a place like this.

Not in a place like this.

Well, look at the murder rates, Velva.

Small town murder.

Yeah, that's why we do this show, Velva.

So, yeah, she said that, you know that she's going over the events in her mind. They say, Kia Cuck, people say, used to be a place where you left your front door unlocked and the car running while you ran into the grocery store for a gallon of milk.
Parking meters don't exist and the triple feature movie theater has one of those old-fashioned marquee signs. When you went in to pay for your gas, you left the kids strapped in the car seat.
Triple feature? I've never even heard of it. Triple feature, guy.
All day you're going to be here. All fucking day.
Three's crazy. Three, guys, we need a meal in there somewhere.
Yeah, that's five fucking hours of movies, man. So they talk about Kimmy's other three children who were living with her at the time of the killing who are now on the prosecutor's witness list.
Prosecution also has expert witnesses who will likely testify that Kimmy was not insane at all. Fine.
Just a little, you know, loopy. Just a little cuckoo.
Yeah. They said the prosecutor said he's not convinced that her attorneys are going to go for the insanity defense.
Really? Yeah. He said, I've received nothing from them at this time that indicates they're going to go ahead with that, and I would have expected that to happen by this point if they were going to use that angle.
What's the defense's plan here? Can't wait. Well, defense attorney Carl McMurray says he doesn't want to divulge his game plan just yet.
You know. He said that would be like walking into a movie at the end of it it just ruins everything okay yeah if the movie made no sense yeah and the person and it wasn't actually a movie you went in there it was actually just a guy kicks you in the balls and puts a sack over your head that's that's the equivalent dude it's a wild movie it's a wild movie he did say that Kimmy Hardy was optimistic about her trial.
She's looking forward to it, too. And he said that she has every reason to be.
Okay. All righty.
One of the biggest tasks facing the jury, or facing McMurray, is to convince the jury that the gun purchase and the testimony about all of her fake pregnancies don't equal premeditation, which is critical for first degree murder. McMurray doesn't seem concerned.
He said, quote, I've got a lot of money in my pocket, but if it's all pennies, that doesn't make me a rich man, now does it? So you could have a lot of evidence, but if it's all shitty evidence, it doesn't matter. That doesn't make you rich.
If it's all this evidence, it's very good evidence is the problem. the problem and if we're playing big bank little bank and i've got all these pennies and you have nothing and i win that's exactly that's what i'm saying and he said they said mcmurray also seemed unfazed by expected testimony that kimmy told a friend that she had done something bad which could imply she was you know sound enough mind to distinguish right from wrong.
He said, I think I think I said something like that when I was a five year old kid and had run away from home. That doesn't make me guilty of murder.
Makes you a runaway. Makes you a five year old runaway.
So they want murder involved. What are you talking about, man? So this guy's analogies are terrible, really bad.
He's like, I'll just put some folksy analogies out there and get the public on my side. And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about man so this guy's analogies are terrible really bad he's like i'll just put some folksy analogies out there and get the public on my side they're like what the fuck are you talking about bob so change of venue is what they want yeah they really want defense attorney carl mcmurray filed a motion to move the case out of the county because of what he says was prejudicial news news coverage just obvious covering the facts of the case.
He said, but the judge said if eligible jurors can't be found after two jury panels, then he would consider moving the trial. But for now, happening right here in Lee County, baby.
We need the media staying in hotel room revenue right here. Get the diner getting some fucking turnover on those tables.
So Kimmy's trial comes around and it in the more than six hours it took to select a jury. Lawyers from both sides found out to the extent of which people in small towns keep track of each other's bullshit.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because this is a small town. You have to find out, do you know this person and stuff like that.
So you get to hear, yeah. They said Lee County Attorney Bruce McDonald asked 32 prospective jurors and four alternates, has anyone here not read or heard anything about the case? Not one hand went up.
Everyone has heard about the case. We all know.
Within the first hour of jury selection nine people had been dismissed six of whom said they could not keep an open mind about the highly publicized case right next they asked if anyone personally knew kimmy because it's a small town that's possible a hand in the middle row shot up quote she's my sister-in-law. It's fucking Bob's brother or Bob's sister.

Why would she even be there?

Her brother, I'm sorry.

Bob's brother is on the jury panel.

Yeah, you think he'd just go, my brother's the other, you know.

Yeah.

No, he's there, which is fucking amazing.

Bob is charged with seven felonies, by the way, in a separate trial, including child stealing.

Not kidnapping, child stealing.

That's what they should call it.

I think so.

That's better.

It's's better. Assault while participating in a felony and aiding and abetting kidnapping.
His brother was dismissed as a juror, obviously. Sure.
Several other people also said they knew Kimmy. Two women said they had gone to high school with her.
Yeah. One man said he socialized with her about eight years ago.
One of the alternates had been Kimmy's neighbor for several years. This is out of 32 people.
This many people know her. I mean, it's any little.
Wow. All these people said they could be fair and unbiased and were allowed to stay in the jury pool.
Is that right? Wow. That's fucking crazy.
They said not only it's such a small town that they said, if you don't know her, these jurors know one of the witnesses. Yeah.
They know somebody. They're going to be connected.
It's impossible to have a try. Move the fucking trial.
Why are we insisting on having it here? The appeal process is going to ruin this.

I really hate when they do this because it really doesn't make any fucking sense, man.

One potential juror had dated

a defense witness about 20 years ago.

Several went to church with each other

and some of the other witnesses. One potential

juror said he played softball with a

key defense witness.

The lawyer asked, was he any good? And the guy

said, not really.

At softball, that is.

After the prosecution had questioned the jury, Hardy's attorney individually examined each potential juror in the judge's chambers. Once out of the packed courtroom, several of the people admitted they believed Kimmy had murdered Teresa and would not be able to think of her as innocent until proven guilty.
In open court, they said they could. Once it got behind closed doors, they were like, okay, never mind.
So they ended up choosing 12 jurors and two alternates were settled upon just before court shut down for the day. Opening arguments are tomorrow.
So after dismissing 21 potentially biased jurors, including her brother-in-law, they're ready to rock and roll. It's a jury of seven women and five men.
You want 12 men because who's believed her so far? Yeah. Only men.
It's all dudes that want to fuck. That's it.
Who's suspicious of her? Every woman. Every woman.
Even her best friend. Her best friend was like, yo, you've got a baby.
You better go make sure that they don't find you suspicious. Fuck yeah.
So by the way, not as much media as they expected. Hard copy and court TV do not send reporters as expected.
Is that right? Only extra covered the story. Extra, extra.
That shit. Remember that crap? Now it's just fucking the dude from Saved by the Bell, isn't it? Isn't he the extra guy now? Now that's just all of social media is extra.
Why would you watch extra? Yeah, yeah. I think you're right, though.
Or since Pat O'Brien got in trouble. Well, yeah.
I was going to say, is he on that or does he only do every hotel fucking when you turn the TV on? Go away. I don't want to look at you, Mario.
I have to turn it on immediately. Mute the TV.
Stop showing me you don't age. Fuck.
Jesus, man. So also another person there is a freelance writer, Sylvia DeWitt, who plans to write a true crime book about the case, which I never found.
So I don't know if she was just using that as an excuse for a write off or what. Yeah.
She wanted to visit this town. I guess.
Take the guy around town. I've always wanted to go to Kia Cuck.
They said at least a dozen print radio and TV journalists are at the courthouse, though. It's a cool courthouse, by the way.
It's a real historic joint built in 1889. Marble wainscoting it has.
That. Yeah.
The community promoter, like community promoters, like store owners and shit like that, they're called community promoters, are trying to put a good face on this. Okay.
One person here, the director of the Keokuk Convention and Tourism Bureau said, I've had a couple of tourism friends who called me and said it's hard to market a community when this is going on. You don't want to go there for vacation when people will steal your baby.
She said the best that they can hope for is that the memory of the trial details will fade, but the town name is memorable and it's going to stick in people's minds. But they did say on the bright side, media people are helping fill the motels that are often vacant this There it is.
Yeah. Because it's happening in January.
So, yeah, they are. Greg Andrews, the Chamber of Commerce director, also bemoans the publicity's impact.
He says, most of us, we just as soon not be in the spotlight. It's too bad all this attention has to be for a negative event when we have so many good things going on.
you heard about our damn festival it's very nice you haven't heard a single person there no but it's so much fun you'll love it wow he said the good things that he's like we have a multi-million dollar industrial expansion with new jobs we have all this stuff we're gonna have a A celebration of, we have annual Civil War reenactments in April.

We also have a new motel and two new fast food franchises. And they're acting like murder is the only thing that happens in this fucking town.
We got a Popeye's. Oh, my God.
Their newly elected mayor, Gary Foluo. He's a historic preservationist who owns a bait shop and is also the mayor.
Any other mad libs you want to throw in what this guy does? He says it's definitely not indicative of our community. When something happens like this, it's devastating to the morale.
No one likes the stigma. I guess not.
So they said, yeah, the 25 to 30 media members are there following the trial. I'm going to describe this courtroom from the newspaper here.
From 25 to 30 people have been following the trial in the majestic second floor courtroom, which is decorated with marble wainscoting, two marble fireplaces, and elaborately carved golden oak and cherry oak woodwork. So they take your tax dollars and make them.
But 1889. Okay, all right.
Well, there's a new town, so they wanted to go look at our good town. But even 1889, marble wainscoting, you got to, fuck, man, that's not easy to do.
Well, people used to have pride, that's why. That's a great point, yeah.
Look at every municipal building now, it looks like a fucking manufactured home, it's a piece of shit. It's the cheapest thing they could get.
Yeah. Because people have no fucking pride.
Nobody, people are like, I don't want to pay a dollar extra in taxes, even if my town looks like a fucking prairie shithole, rather than put a fucking nice courthouse up that represents your town well. What are you doing? It looks like Glen Harbor homes decorated with this shit with the single wives.
I don't want to invest in it, but I want people to come here. Well, no, you don't then.
Even if it looks like the town's temporary. Yeah.
Fucking ridiculous. Yeah.
Even if we look like a shanty town, it's fine. We can bring a truck in here and move every building.
God damn it. Yeah.
Look at the buildings that companies used to build with fucking gargoyles on them and things carved in it. Now what is it? It's fucking garbage.
It's all square. This is as cheap as we could get it.
That's what it is now. Fucking ridiculous.
So anyway, they said McCready. Who is this? Oh, Diana McCready.
There we go. Diana McCready, whose family runs the Grand Anne Bed and Breakfast in an 1897 Victoria home, said she moved to Keokuk from San Francisco with her family four and a half years ago for a slower pace of life.
She said this bizarre crime stuff was normal in California, but not in Iowa. Normal.
Normal. She said that's why it's a shocking thing to happen in a town this size.
People just want it to go away. So, will she say she's insane? Let's find out.
What does she do? Kimmy was examined by psychiatric experts for both the defense and the state. Her trial attorney contacted the state public defender's office for suggestions for psychiatrists who might make an evaluation favorable to her.
Defense counsel discussed the case with three or four people whose names were provided before choosing Dr. Lauren Olson.

Olson evaluated Hardy for the defense, told the trial attorney that while Hardy was, quote,

this is the understatement of the millennium, while Hardy was, quote, a little bit different.

Yeah.

Okay.

That is, wow.

You are selling some short shit there.

She did not meet the standards for insanity or diminished responsibility. She could have said she's crazy, but not insane.

That would have been normal. Hardy also like her.
No, that's I don't like her. She's obviously crazy.
Now the trial comes around. This is not over.
This trial is fucking nuts. OK.
Opening statement. Lee County attorney Mike Short told the jury that Kimmy had masterminded an intricately woven murder plot that ended with Teresa's death.

He said she told police if you want something bad enough, you'll do anything to get it.

Quote, unquote.

Holy.

Man. Now, the defense decides to forego the opening statement until they start their case.
Okay. which is an option they have.
They can do it in the beginning or later. So now the prosecution ushers 27 witnesses into the court in two days, most of whom agree on the following.
Kimmy Hardy has faked an untold number of countless pregnancies, has owned at least four handguns, has been obsessed with having children since her sterilization, and is a fucking liar. These are all the things we're trying to establish about her, which all of them are true.
Now, the physical evidence, they have shown that the bathroom window curtain from the Hardy's upstairs bathroom matched in color, pattern, and everything else to the shower curtain determined to have been wrapped around the dead body of Teresa Lund. They showed footprint records showing that six-week-old Eugene, a six-week-old child that Hardy had attempted to pass off as Dusty Eugene, was actually Paul Eugene Lund.
Either way, the middle name is Eugene. What the fuck? Did she know that? Did she? Is that common? Is it so common there that they wouldn't notice? Both moms are named Lynn middle names and both kids have a Eugene.
I don't know. That's weird.
That's fucking weird. They produced hair and fabric samples from Hardy's basement crawl space, which they will testify belonged to Teresa Lund.
They already told the jury that blood found in the crawl space has been proven by DNA tests to be Teresa Lund. God damn.
It's every bit of evidence you could possibly have. She had that and then had the baby in her arms her arms.
The handgun with serial numbers that were

not scratched off apparently.

She didn't get rid of them. Matching

the forensic tests, matching the

ballistics showing it was the murder weapon

is licensed in

Kimmy's name. Wow.

Fucking wow. Physical evidence

is expected to get quite gruesome before

the prosecution rests. The jurors

have been warned to expect

graphic photographs of Lund's body

during the next few days because by the time they get her to autopsy, she is decomposed badly. Way too far, yeah.
Badly, badly. So that's not good.
Now, the DCI agent Paul Bush told jurors that he examined the crawlspace area at the home and found the soil at the entrance was damp and contains a small reddish brown stain. There was no evidence of blood spatters on the box or other items in the on boxes or other items in the basement.
But they said DNA analysis of the stain shown showed that it matched six of seven of Teresa's DNA characteristics. That would mean that one person per 1,700 people could have the same markers.
Which if you didn't find her corpse, you could go, well, that's not enough people. But you found her corpse.
It's her. Bob testifies.
Oh, boy. Yep.
He's made a deal with the prosecutors to testify. This is dumb, dumb.
He said, I was at my job, and I got told, you know, my foreman came up and said, baby's born, you should come home. Yeah.
Get on out of here. So he described himself as a happy man.
He said, I believe the baby was mine. I had no reason to believe otherwise.
He said that he'd been, yes, he did help to dispose of the body. And he'd been told by his wife to lie saying that she had been pregnant.
Just say I was pregnant and that you delivered the baby yourself. We just did it at home.
Okay. He said that, but after the guests had left, he went downstairs and removed a large board.
And he said when he saw the body of a woman in a red suit, he became ill, but grabbed the ankles and pulled her out anyway. He also testified that after dragging the body out of the basement, he did not connect the disappearance of Teresa and her baby to this body and this strange baby that just showed up.
Nope, didn't connect. Didn't put two and two together there.
Wow. So he said he wrapped the body in plastic in an old comforter, dragged it up the stairs, like we said, back of the truck, dumped everything separately everything separately now neither the defense nor the prosecution asked him what explanation kimmy gave him for the body being in the basement what did she because he must have said there's what now yeah tell me they don't no one asks him i guess because it would be hearsay i don't know but it wouldn't be because it's a direct to him so it wouldn't be here so but no one asks him, I guess because it would be hearsay, I don't know, but it wouldn't be because it's direct to him, so it wouldn't be hearsay.
But no one asks him, what did she tell you? What the fuck? How could you do that? Now, the defense here, Kimmy, with her defense attorney, claims she bought the baby for different amounts. Different dollar figures? Either $3,000 or $1,500.
We're not sure. Wow.
But did, and also she didn't kill Teresa, but she did bury the body after discovering it in the crawl space of her house. But she didn't kill her.
Okay. Now, how do you get to there? Well, she's got quite the tail to weave weave on the stand it's one thing to say this to your husband or whoever to get on a stand in a courtroom with a fireplace and marble wainscotting and a and a motherfucker in a robe sitting up there with a gavel and say some of this shit yeah is some of the biggest balls i've ever heard she should have been a fucking bank robber or like a an old west gunfighter because she's got big huge balls maybe that's why she can't have kids anymore just huge big balls are in the way balls are too big they're in the way can't do it yeah block them on in there so his her story is that a Florida drug dealer framed her for murder, and that's what's going on.

What?

And then she said not only that, not only this drug dealer framed her, but that dozens of witnesses who've been testifying against her, including local police, FBI agents, and her own stepmother, all lied on the stand as part of this conspiracy. Really? Really.
Really. A little different, a psychiatrist said, quote unquote.
Yeah. So even though she was sterilized more than a decade ago, a procedure with a 99.7% success rate.
Yeah, it works great. She insisted that she was actually pregnant this whole time is that right she said she was six months pregnant in august and lost the baby after slipping in the shower that's what she insists even though she had her tubes tied right okay so they chance they say in a sometimes tearful testimony wednesday kimmy the keokuk woman accused of faking a pregnancy lured a young mother to her home and killing her to pass off the woman's infant son as her own, testified that she did not fake the entire pregnancy just the last few days of it.
Okay. That makes it much better.
Sure does, yeah. In desperation and grief, she said that she turned to her former drug boss, who she said was Anthony Matrana, M-A-T-R-A-N-A, Anthony Matrana, for help getting the baby her new husband so desperately wanted.
She said, he wanted this baby and I lost it. We just got married.
So I said, can you get me a baby? Because, you know, people can get drugs. They get babies, too.
No problem. I can get you an eight ball and a baby if you want.
And a baby. What do you want, an eight ball and a baby? No problem.
I'll be there in 15 minutes. He apparently, Kimmy said, he told me that he knew someone, or this is the drug dealer, he knew someone who had a child recently and they didn't want it.
Yeah. You know, Florida's full of those people, I'm sure.
Most of Florida's unwanted children. I think that's the whole point of the place.
It seemed like the perfect solution. I wanted the child and someone else did it.
Didn't, quote unquote. Crying as often as she's told a story, the prosecution openly called a load of garbage she testified to the following after her miscarriage on october 23rd so she's saying it was five days before she said she had the baby through a mutual friend in chicago she left a message for anthony matrona to call her yeah and he did uh heard of her miscarriage and told her, I could get you, kid.
No problem. Don't you worry about that.
So August 28th, the same day that Teresa happened to disappear, just coincidentally, two employees of Matrona came to Hardy's home and asked Kimmy to leave for about a half hour. Yeah.
We know how you like to fret. Don't fret.
We work for Anthony. Get out of here for a half hour.
And she said, okay. So she went out and drove around Keokuk and then returned home about an hour later.
When she did, the two men handed her a baby and said, good luck, and left. There's some trash in the basement you got to deal with that's the thing he told he told her she's told he told the jurors that two mexican men came to her home when she returned she had a baby and then matrona called the next day and she said i told him the baby was perfect the most beautiful baby I've ever seen.
Then this is, no, the baby, the body hasn't been mentioned at all. She then said, Anthony Matrana called back the next day.
Yeah. And this is the best part of all.
Telling her to look for a, quote, surprise in her basement. What? A surprise is a a good thing hey there's a surprise for you down there in the basement like maybe he bought a couple months worth of diapers for as like a gift or something a new rattle nope it's the mother's corpse there's also that to deal with surprise surprise oh she said there she went downstairs looking at the surprise.

She was very excited and ready to blow out the candles.

She said she found Teresa's body with her, but with Kimmy's own handgun lying next to it.

Oh!

They used my gun to kill her.

So now what do I do?

So she said she didn't tell the police about Matronana sooner because she knows what he's capable of and feared that he would hurt her children. He'll kill my kids with my own gun.
That's right. And I'll put it next to it and blame him.
She testified Matrana told her to look in the basement and she said, I saw part of a body. I was sick.
I was hysterical. So the lawyer said, why didn't you call the police? She said, I didn't want to lose this precious baby.
Yeah, right. So when the guests were at her home on August 29th, she said she pulled Bob off to the side and told him, you know, there's a corpse in the basement.
I got a surprise. I was going to say there's a surprise downstairs.
Just keep passing it off to different people. Sell the house as is, but with a surprise in the basement.
That's what you do. As is plus surprise.
So she said, my husband was shocked beyond belief. Well, he's supposed to be surprised.
He's very surprised and shocked. So, it is a surprise.
Then she changed her story about the baby's purchase price on the stand, which is one of several inconsistencies throughout her testimony. Instead of paying $3,000 cash, she now said that she paid about $1,500 cash, plus an antique shotgun and a .380 caliber handgun to him.
I mean, around about $3,000. It was antique.
They take trade for babies and murders. It's like a swap meet, really.
You can negotiate. You never know what the fuck's going to go on.
This is unbelievable. She she might be legit crazy that's I mean she's definitely crazy but legally insane no but she is sure crazy as fuck oh boy wow she said that none of her previous pregnancies over the course of four husbands and several boyfriends were ever faked as the state alleges that that's just a bad tubes tie and didn't work yeah she said that a week before she fell in the shower lost the baby she said this was the only time she said she bled heavily for days right she said i was very upset we were all looking forward to this very much i didn't tell my husband i.
I didn't want to believe this was happening. Yeah.
So then her lawyer attempted to show that Anthony Matrona had been in Iowa running a drug operation in Iowa and had in 1995 killed a drug competitor in Washington, Iowa. McMurray asked a police officer to read from a clipping

from the Washington, Iowa Evening Post,

and it said, man killed in house explosion.

And the man McMurray showed from the article

was Floyd Clifford Groff,

a convicted drug dealer and narcotics manufacturer.

There's no connection with anything else.

Just house blew up.

He might have been making drugs and blew his house up. That's possible, yeah.
Narcotics manufacturer tells me. Probably had some ether in there.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's making meth.
Iowa was way ahead of the curve in meth making. In 96, they were already cooking that shit.
During cross-examination, which, good God, could this be any more of a prosecutor's dream than to cross-examine this lying idiot. She admitted that she lied to her husband and family about having hired a midwife to come to her house.
But she also denied telling police that she did something so bad that I had to get Bob involved. And she said she never told them that she sold fake drugs at bars okay um now the prosecutor bruce mcdonald asked why hardy let me ask you this basically uh you had a miscarriage yes you were very sad so you turned to a violent drug dealer for comfort right that's who you turn to.

Trying to see what we're saying here, lady.

It doesn't make sense.

He said, you're asking this jury to believe that you chose to call a man you were afraid of and thought would hurt your children.

This is who you turn to in your hour of need.

Excellent.

And they said, with short, sharp questions, he attacked Hardy's story, discounting her

tale of a miscarriage at six months of pregnancy. Why has Anthony Matrana's story changed so many times, he asked her.
Why did she initially tell the police two men dropped off the baby without entering the house, waiting until after Teresa Lund's blood was found in her basement to say the men came inside? Right. That's what it was.
She's molding it to the evidence. why did she first say that the men asked her to leave for 30 minutes, then later say an hour? Why in some versions does Matrana send two employees and in other versions he comes himself? Why did she first say she gave them $3,000 cash for the baby and later say she gave them $1,500 cash and two guns, including the .380 handgun determined to be the murder weapon.
Her response is all the same. She said she'd always told police the same thing, and all the police and investigators and FBI agents who testified otherwise were lying.
Okay. They're lying.
All. Everyone else is lying except me.
I'm the only one telling the truth. Wow.
She admitted that she lied to her husband and family, though. She admitted that.
She also denied telling police some other shit. Now, here's the big question.
Here we go. Does Anthony Matrana even fucking exist? Who is he? Did she make this guy up? Well, McMurray, like we said, attempted to show that he blew up a guy in 1995 and he's a big fucking drug dealer in the area from Florida.
Here the prosecution, no, tried to punch holes in that story. They testify that two FBI databases listing U.S.
drug dealers, those who have been arrested or even mentioned by other people arrested for drugs. So if someone came in and said, I know a guy named this, they'd put you on this list.
The name Anthony Matrana does not exist in that list at all. I've never heard it.
Phone records also seem to contradict Kimmy's claim that Anthony Matrana called her one day in the summer of 96, telling her that he would get her a child if she would pay him $3,000 and agree to mule drugs for him.

Yeah, I got some condoms full of heroin.

Come here.

Please come in here.

You don't need condoms for anything else, but for heroin you need it for.

But Hardy's phone records, the prosecution showed, do not list any incoming calls from a Florida residence during the entire year of 1996. She's never gotten a phone call from Florida.
Never. The suggestion that Matrana was a true killer came after a morning of emotional and gruesome testimony.
Probably the biggest discovery of the day was that the mysterious Anthony Matrana does exist. Oh, is that right? Yes.
He's just not a drug dealer. He's just a dude that sells cars in fucking Manchester.
It's even funnier. It's even fucking funnier.
Oh, this is great. This is fucking amazing.
As the defense's only two witnesses, both Kimmy Hardy and her ex-husband Gary Drummond, testified, they had lived with Matrana in Houma, Louisiana in 1981. her first husband and her lived with this guy oh my god with their one rebuttal witness the prosecution showed that matrona does not live in florida as hardy is contended but still lives in the same town of louisiana homa we did it as an episode remember never left yeah never left though kimmy hardy had implicated matrona in the murder and everything, Hardy has also said she had no address or phone number for him.
She did not know how to get in touch with the drug dealer. She said because that's not the way it's done in the drug business.
In the drug business, no one can get a hold of anyone. People have been looking to make a deal, same deal, since like 72.
They just can't get a hold of somebody. He's homing pigeons, and sometimes they just go away.
Good God. That's the opposite of how it's done in the drug business.
Availability is the number one. She's like the opposite, but the exact same as Casey Anthony.
She is. But crazier and dumber somehow.
And somehow cares for children a little more. Yeah, yeah.
I don't think she would have killed her kid. No, no.
So they said until Tuesday it had never been disclosed that Hardy had lived with Matrona in Louisiana. After that information came out, then the prosecutors found him immediately.
He's listed in an AT&T directory information still living in Homa, Louisiana. He's a baker.
He owns a bakery. Oh trying to make bear claws he does live in he does deal in flour but he cooks it first before he sells it to anybody the white he puts egg in there too is the difference what the fuck is poor bastard in a conference with police and the prosecution's lawyers matrona told them that he has never dealt drugs and his record is completely clean except for a traffic ticket in 1977 in 20 years this man's done nothing wrong but bake fucking cakes amazing pastries.
This's baking napoleons and down in louisiana and i he said he's been he's been a louisiana baker forever not a florida drug dealer he said i've never heard such crazy stuff in my life he said they can check me out i'm not scared they ain't got nothing to find she's got to be insane to say some of the stuff she said well don't say that she's crazy he said i'm not a drug dealer i'm a baker yeah he said i'm he's shaken up by the brew haha here he's very shaken up poor son of a bitch he said they had to he said number one he's never even been to iowa ever really the whole state and they had to jog his memory about gary and kimmy he didn't even he was like who are we talking about and they were like you know 1981 he goes oh yeah that's right yeah we were my roommates from 15 years ago okay yeah he said it took me a while to try and even remember and that's a long time ago yeah he said he's puzzled that she would even remember his name she goes he doesn't even remember her fucking name she remembered my name you had to tell me there wow he said her and her husband gary stayed with him for three maybe four weeks not barely a month barely even a month when he was living in bayou blue a small community on the outskirts of homa that's why she they'd never find him. So she dug deep into her mind to find this crazy name.
Wow. Wow.
That is fucking funny. Her husband worked for him for a little while at a bakery store where he was a supervisor.
Oh, my God. Matrona now owns his own shop, Best Bakery.
I don't know if it's still around, but if it is, please give this man business. Go buy a cupcake.
Christ. That was 30 years ago almost, though.
He could be dead by now or retired. They got the gun dealer, Darwin Todd.
It's really funny that his name is Darwin. That really sets all of this into focus.
A local gun dealer that he had decided not to sell Hardy a gun if if she returned to the store because one of the places she shopped at was his place he said that when she was in the store it's she seemed agitated and asked him if i held this gun point blank range would it kill someone god damn which is not what you ask when you're fucking buying a gun you take the gun from her and tell her no thanks please get lost wow a second local gun dealer Lonnie McCoy testified that the gun determined to be the murder weapon had matching serial numbers to the one he sold her defense attorney attacked the testimony of a DCI agent named Robert Harvey who told jurors that one of the bullets found in the skull came from the .380 caliber handgun, definitely. He was less positive about the second bullet, because bullets get fucked up, saying he couldn't rule out that it could have been shot from a different caliber weapon, such as a 9mm or a .357.
Sure. Okay.
Now, prosecution, they're closing. They call Kimmy a consummate liar.
That's a good way to put it. Who must be convicted of first-degree murder.
He said, this is simply a made-up story. Look at what she's telling us.
Her version of the story is repeatedly at odds with witness after witness, including her own husband and stepmother. Honestly.
Who she calls a liar. Right.
The defense closing, how do you fuck? If you're the defense, how do you? This is awesome, yeah. Wow, he told the jury.
I don't even know where to go with this if I'm them. Can we try again? This didn't work as well as I thought it would.
Can we have a do-over on this one? He told the jury, this is multiple lawyers, tell the jury to specifically consider one thing. Okay.
Kimmy wouldn't have had time to lure Teresa to her home, kill her, clean up the mess, stuff the body in the crawl space, and be lying in bed passing the baby off as her own by 10.30 a.m. Considering we knew that Teresa was around at 8.30.
In two hours, that's not enough time for that, they said. So by the time Robert came home from work that day.
But she didn't have to clean up the basement that day. She could have done it.
She could have done it. As long as she got her out of the living room, she could have dealt with it while Robert was at work the next day.
Absolutely. And they cleaned it later after they got rid of the body.
Right. So the other defense attorney said that the prosecutors didn't form the fabric of proof that they promised.
She said they've produced something like lace, and lace has a lot of holes in it. It does.
What are you talking about? Somebody's turned on. Wow.
I want to see some lace. Fuck, because picture lace.
then the other defense attorney said that you know we're not trying to say she's a model citizen but she's not a murderer he says we're not saying she's Snow White or Betty Crocker which are both fictional characters by the way neither of them exist neither of them even exist as like an actor they're just a person just a name she's not She's not up for mother of the year. She's dealt drugs.
She's done drugs and she's been promiscuous. But that doesn't make her a murderer.
If it does, then we've got a lot of them out on the streets. Okay.
Okay. So the jury comes back in.
As soon as Kimmy sees the looks on the jurors faces, she motions for them to take her 12 year old out of the courtroom. Yes.
You know, this isn't going well at all. This took six hours for the jury to come to a verdict here, though.
We'll find out why they come to a verdict. They find her guilty of first degree murder, second degree kidnapping and child stealing.
Yeah. They say at the time they were talking about they can do the sentencing right now or delay.
And the defense said, let's fucking do it now. Really? Let's get it going.
So the judge says, no problem. You, ma'am, may fuck off life without parole plus 25 years.
You've done it, lady. You did it all there.
You tell your tales and your stories all you want from prison. You can't kill people and steal their babies.
That's crazy. She silently nodded her head as the judge sentenced her to forever in prison.
Yeah. One of her public defenders, Laura Admondson, said that Hardy's first words after the verdict were read were filing an appeal.

The lawyer said she's taking it very calmly.

I'm sure it's a disappointment, though.

This lawyer said she requested that Hardy be sentenced immediately because I asked her and she said she was ready.

Now, Teresa's mother, Velva here, said the outcome brought her no peace. She said it was the right verdict, but that doesn't keep my daughter alive.
This doesn't help. This is awful.
You could sentence her to death. You could draw and caught her in front of the courthouse.
It's not going to bring my fucking person back. That's the thing here.
Teresa's family all said they were happy about the verdict. Velva said she's fine with it because, quote, I don't believe in the death penalty.
But Teresa's younger brother, Gerald, said, well, I do. Okay.
Calm down, Gerald. Standing quietly in the courthouse hallway was Pam Browshenweg.
She wore a heart-shaped pin with a picture of Teresa Lund in the center. She had been in the second row of the courtroom since jury selection began.
She said, Teresa was my cousin and my best friend. She said she felt no relief knowing that Kimmy would be spending the rest of her life in prison.
She said, frankly, it broke my heart to see her family. They didn't do this, and their kids didn't do this, but they're paying for for it sure next up what about terry bell the baby's actual father this poor bastard he lost his fucking new wife not his new wife but his wife the mother of his children yeah it's a lot for him um he said that the um you know she was convicted and that gave him no satisfaction he said i would be much happier if ter if Teresa was staying here.
That would be fine. I'd just rather have her back.
He says he thinks that Robert should be convicted of first-degree murder also. Okay.
He said there should have been no deals cut for nobody, is what he said. He wants vengeance.
Jesus. He wants vengeance, which isn doesn't helpful they asked the jurors what they had why did it take six fucking hours one juror who asked not to be identified said that hardy was not credible and made countless inconsistent statements meaning to rock kimmy she said from day one she had different stories and told different stories about the events.
So the only reason they deliberated for so long was because of the defense's assertion that she would not have had enough time to commit the murder. They actually considered that.
Did she have the time to do it? Yeah. And if she did, then great.
So another juror characterized the deliberations as heated. I would be cracking up.

Imagine being in that juror.

I'd be laughing.

Did you hear what she fucking said?

Oh, my God.

That's crazy.

The dude's a baker.

He's a baker.

I'd be dying laughing.

Holy shit.

Wow.

This juror said it was a hard day.

The whole thing was tough.

It was a tough decision, but we felt we made the right decision.

How is it tough?

I don't get it. Now, Bob Handy, Robert, the husband here, he pleads guilty to charges of interference with official acts and possession of a firearm by a felon.
He's already a felon. Yeah.
He is originally charged with seven felonies, but he's gone down to that, and he is sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off up to 10 years in prison. Really? So he'll probably do five or some shit.
10 years to, wow. For dumping a body.
That's pretty nuts. That's, they, he gave, that was it, they had to make that deal because he gave all the testimony.
Yeah, he was helpful, yeah. And he, I don't, I think they honestly fucking believed him that he didn't know.
Yeah, I do too. Yeah, he's just a dummy.
Yeah, I think they put themselves in his shoes and went, wow, imagine that? That'd be fucking nuts. What would you do? That would hurt.
That would hurt so bad. So she's life without.
1998, she wants a new trial. Why? The first trial, she said, was too sensational.
It was. Too sensational.
She said that her case was too sensational to be tried fairly in her hometown where she was convicted of first-degree murder. In turning down her appeal for a new trial, though, the court said that although media reports and comments by officials were at times sensational, they weren't enough to ruin her chances of a fair trial.
They said some of the reports carried a sensational tone. However, there were no more sensational than the inherent in the crimes alleged.
Yeah. Yes.
What you did is sensational. It's fucking crazy.
How can you describe what you did without being sensational? You stole a baby, killed a mother, faked a shitload of pregnancies. You buried a fucking teddy bear.
You buried a lie, lady. You told everybody that a fucking baker from Homa, Louisiana is a drug dealing international murderer.
This is fucking crazy. Wow.
They said upon reviewing the record, we find sufficient evidence for the jury to have infer that Hardy committed first degree murder.

2001, she tries again.

And they say that Robert Hardy's testimony fit her defense. They say that it was a little bit different, but not the cell.

That was the problem by the psychiatrist.

They basically say here that ineffective assistance of counsel. And that's because her attorney should have objected to her husband's testimony because they're married and she shouldn't be able to testify against him but that is if you don't want to testify against it you can't compel someone to but if they want to to stay out of jail for the rest of their life they're perfectly fucking welcome to that's the other part he she also argued that um that the lawyer was ineffective because he should have used an insanity defense not taking into account that the psychiatry their hired psychiatrist for the defense said that she was a little bit different but not insane so what are you gonna how are you gonna have a defense insanity that? It's fucking ridiculous.
They said the marital exception to the testimony is one of several privileged communications that exists to promote defined confidential relationships and encourage candid communications between the parties in those relationships on the premise that society is better protected by the privilege and the value of the testimony. The privilege for marital communications is recognized in Iowa by statute.
Neither husband nor wife can be examined in any case as to any communication made by one to the other while married, nor shall they, after the marriage relation ceases, be permitted to reveal in testimony any such communication made while the marriage subsisted. This this privilege is not absolute.
They're both common law and legislative exceptions. Hardy contends her trial attorney should have objected testimony that Robert learned from her wife from his wife.
A smell in the basement came up and it was the sewer backing up all that kind of shit Saying all of Robert's shit, though. They said that the state contends marital privilege does not apply in this case, though.
The state first argues without authority the testimony of Robert at trial did not refer to private communications between the Hardys made in the context of their marriage. We find no reason to accept this part of the state's argument.
The state next argues that the decision not to object to the testimony was strategic and the testimony was not prejudicial to Hardy's defense because it corroborated aspects of the case Hardy did not deny. The state further contends that even if the statements were not admissible, they did not adversely affect her defense because they were corroborative and cumulative in nature.
The state further contends Hardy was not prejudiced because of the strength of the state's case. Okay.
So anyway, the statement that the smell in the basement may not have been sewer gas was not prejudicial and was consistent with her statements indicating she knew the body was there the day after she got the baby because she said the people put it down there the mexicans put it down there as she put it and while uh the statement hardy told robert to say that he helped deliver the baby impacted on hardy's truthfulness it supports her representation that she was pregnant and delivered her child she's failed to prove her trial counsel was ineffective or that she was prejudiced by errors. Affirmed.
Keep on keeping on, bitch. There you go.
Lectures. Bruce McDonald, who was the, the prosecutor there.
Yeah. He still does lectures.
I found this. I a C R a.
Dot org has state of Iowa versus Kimmy Lynn Hardy presented by Bruce McDonald.

It's an hour and a half presentation of a lecture that he does.

That's pretty fucking interesting here.

September 20 of 2023, they feature this case on an episode of Snapped.

Of course they did.

Of course they do, because it's a woman who killed someone, so they got to find it. There's nothing Snapped about this.
This is not Snapped. This is crazy from the start.
This is consistent. This is slow-boiled, it should be called.
Slow-boiled. Consistency.
Consistency, eh? Consummate liars, as she should have been on. So there you go, everybody.
There's Keokuk, Iowa. And what a fuck.
Is that one of the craziest in a thousand true crime stories? Yeah. I don't think we've told five crazier ones than that, right? She's unbelievable.
She is a fucking nut. So there you go.
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