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Good morning, Jason.

Good morning, Jason.

Or afternoon or wherever our listeners are.

Wherever we find you, sure.

Does anybody have big plans today at all for anything?

I mean, I'm doing a pretty smoking podcast in the next

couple minutes.

It's called Smartless.

Oh,

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How's Seattle?

Will, how's Seattle?

You're up there in Seattle

visiting family?

I'm doing a little thing tonight with our friend Ed Vetter.

Tonight, we're just doing like a little.

Is it Ed now?

Yep.

And he's just growing up a little bit.

And Eddie and I are doing a little thing tonight, and he's going to perform.

He claims that I might help him sing a song on stage.

That's not going to happen.

He's heard your impression of him?

No, he hasn't yet.

And I plan on doing it, but he said half.

He was like, hey, do you want to, I'm going to, you you know, what song do you want to hear?

I was like, well, what song do you not want to play?

And he was like, well, anything I don't know.

And I was like, well, I don't know what you don't know.

And he goes, well, you get up here and you'll sing.

Everybody likes to sing, right?

I'm like, no, Eddie, nobody wants to hear me.

You have to do unless it's.

I couldn't, you know what?

I couldn't love him more.

He's up on that level of those dudes that I just absolutely adore.

I include him.

I include our friend William Pitt, William Bradley Pitt, in that, whom I just adore.

Yeah, Yeah, they're good.

I just have like massive mancraft.

Middle name down and everything.

Do you know a sign?

I think it's exit.

Meaning, get out of my face.

They don't want me around, but that's okay.

Wait, do you remember when he was on, and then afterwards he sent us all ukuleles or something?

Remember that?

Yeah, he did.

I know.

Yeah, it's so snice.

He's such a class act.

He's such a great dude.

And anyway, so yeah, that's why I'm up here.

I'm doing this thing tonight with him, which is which is going to be fun.

I got my buddy Kutch is coming in from Calgary because he's such a fan.

So I said, why don't you come and join?

You can hang out.

What's this?

Kutch?

My buddy Dave McCutcheon.

He's one of my oldest friends.

And his name is Kutch.

Oh, hey, Kutch.

Yeah, how's it going?

Well, is he a Dirty Flames fan?

No, he's from Calgary, but originally from Kenora, Ontario, eh?

Oh, so that makes him a Dirty Leaf fan.

Yeah.

Actually,

we got room for the Leafs.

We got room for the Leafs.

It's a really cutchy nickname.

You know what, Sean?

Wait until the guest gets in here.

Save some of that.

Anyway, so I'm up here.

JB, when are we going to see you?

Are we going to see you on the East Coast?

Are you going to come to London to see Sean's play?

That's the big question.

Of course I am.

Yeah, isn't that nice?

Oh, I didn't know that.

Are they coming to stay with you?

We're staying with you for like three or four days, aren't we, Sean?

Yeah, yeah.

It's going to be fun.

Oh, that's fun.

It's going to be super fun.

So, yeah.

You know what?

Go ahead, Willie.

No, you go.

No, just I was, Jason reminded me of staying with me in the house.

I was talking to...

a friend that said, we were talking about like grocery shopping and what to get.

And he's like, I go, where can I get some good milk?

And he's like, cow?

And I was like,

yeah, cow's milk.

Did we talk about this?

And I was like, it just sounded gross when he said it because I forgot that, you know, that's where like that milk comes out of a teeth.

Like, I know now he meant like almond milk, oat milk.

I was like, because I didn't think there's any other milk.

Anyway.

Let's just back.

Let's go to the very, very beginning of the great story.

Wait, Will.

I'll just ask you, Will.

When's the last time you approached somebody and asked them where you could get some good milk, right?

That was the question.

Yeah.

Not milk, just general, but

this is somebody you know, not a stranger, right?

This is correct.

Okay.

Because

what is the context of, like, were you guys mid-conversation, or is it

your opener?

No, I was talking about, because I'm like, where do we go?

Grocery shopping, where's the new latest?

In London, because I don't know if they have like American stuff, like what's the equivalent.

And you hear good milk's hard to find.

Well, I didn't know.

Yes, I want really good non-fat milk.

Jeez.

Anyway, let's get to the gas.

You really, no, we're not getting there.

We're going to stay here for a minute until we knock it out of you.

Sean, you asked somebody

in London you can get it.

It's a real challenge to find some good non-fat cow milk.

Honestly, and I love you, and I know a lot of people get it.

But honestly, what the fuck are you talking about?

I drink it every day because I don't really drink soda anymore.

Well, I tell you what, it's a good segue because our guest might be able to help you locate some good milk in England.

Yeah, but when it comes to finding good teats.

Yeah, she,

well, no, it's a whole

take that back.

You don't want to take it back.

Also, because she's a really classy guest.

You're really going to want to take it back.

Sean, you put me up to that.

It's a phenomenal guest that we have today.

And she hails from London.

She lives in London.

She should.

She's an Academy Award winner, three nominations.

Three-time Golden Globe winner, seven nominations.

Taking home two Emmys out of five nominations.

You might remember her from her turn in Confetti or as the hairdresser in I Could Never Be Your Woman, he's trying to throw us away from as Ian's mother in 2005's One Day.

I remember her from one of my all-time favorite TV shows, Broadchurch, films like The Father, for which she was nominated for an Academy Award, and of course, The Favorite for which she won an Academy Award.

She has a new

called The Roses, which she co-stars Benedict Cumberbatch.

Comes out August 29th, give it up for a huge welcome.

Olivia Coleman.

This is a real pleasure.

Real trio pleasure.

Hi, big fans.

Hello, good morning.

Hello.

Hello.

Oh, it's so nice to be here.

Look how bright and cheery you are.

I know.

This is very funny here.

Really classing up Will's list.

Will's list was really starting to sink a little bit.

You really buoyed it.

I needed to turn it around.

And thanks for the TEATS comment.

Sure.

Well,

I retract that with all apologies.

But do you know where to find good non-fat milk there in the middle?

I know some excellent teats in London.

Really well.

Don't you worry.

Good, good.

Are you in London right now?

No,

I'm out in the countryside, in the states.

Great.

Lovely.

Oh, great.

Yeah.

But you do live in England full-time.

I do, yes.

Lucky.

Yeah, I don't know.

Do you like it?

Do you love it?

I love it.

I do.

My mother's British, so I have always sort of had an affinity for it, but I've never spent the amount of time you'd think I would being a son of.

But every time I'm in the world.

from

Shrewsbury.

Oh, nice.

Very nice.

JB, did you ever consider getting your UK passport?

I haven't.

Should I?

Are things...

What have you heard about America?

Is something...

No, all good things.

All good things.

Look out the window.

Don't turn it up.

Look out the window.

So I don't get much here in the hostage cell.

Yes, we're all big fans.

We all love England.

We spent time there.

Sean's on his way there in a couple days.

Yeah, I heard.

For a while.

I'm going to come and see you.

You should.

Play piano.

Watch out.

Get ready to be impressed.

So, Olivia Coleman, you know, it's funny.

I went through

your awards that you've won in nominations.

You've got like, you've been nominated for like, I think it was like 156 International Acting Awards, and you've won like 65.

Did you not know this?

I didn't know that.

Congratulations, you won.

Thanks.

But

what's staggering is the breadth of your work, which is, and by that I mean not just the actual amount, but the actual, you know, that you've gone, you've done comedy, you've done drama, and everything in between.

And it's really remarkable

how you're able to sort of go back and forth between the two.

Yeah, yeah.

So my first question to you is, do you at your heart consider yourself to be a comedic actor?

Do you consider yourself to be a dramatic actor or none of the above?

A little bit of all of it.

Sure.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it's funny talking to all of you guys about it because

you all know.

My first work was in comedy and I loved it.

And

sometimes you just need someone to take a punt to give you a chance to do the other thing.

Comedy has my heart

because that's where I...

you know, got work.

But I always wanted to do something dramatic and I was so pleased with that.

What was that punt?

What was that punt you're talking about?

What was the first?

It was Paddy Considine

gave me the chance to do a film called Tyrannosaur.

Oh, right.

It started as a short film and then

he

decided he wanted to know what happened to these characters and made it a longer film.

That was what, what was that?

That was, I want to say 20 years ago?

Longer.

Yeah, I think we filmed it in 2011.

Okay.

2011.

And it was a huge, and it was like a big Sundance hit, wasn't it?

It was a huge, I mean, it was like, it made a lot of waves.

It was a, you know, you were.

Well, it's sort of at the time yeah sundance loved it um which makes me love sundance very much uh and then

um and then it it sort of built as the years went by so now film lovers have have seen it but at the time it was it was quite a slow burn i think right but you didn't auto you you didn't just get

incredible 20 years ago.

I imagine that there's been a real,

you're just, you're such a special, magical actor.

I mean, that, that is why you can do comedy and drama so well is because it doesn't, it doesn't ever seem like you're asking for a laugh.

You're never doing a comedy.

You're playing a character that is eccentric or

whatever,

such that it makes us all sort of giggle.

And then the same for drama.

So when

this is nice, I'm loving this.

Well, you won't like this question.

I'm very shallow.

This is great.

You know, you, you know, like, when did

realize that you were special?

And I know that that takes admitting that you think that you don't suck, but you're allowed to admit that you don't suck.

And

when did it start?

Was it, was it, was it acting school?

Did somebody tell you you're great?

Or did you see yourself do something and go, oh, that, that works for me.

I can do this.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I mean, do you, do you all remember the moment when you went, okay, I don't suck.

No, I guess I don't.

Sean, you had a moment where you thought you didn't suck.

Many of them.

I'm like, oh my God.

No, my first one was, my first one was really, just really quick, and then maybe it'll be.

It's great to have you on the show, Sean.

Thank you.

So that's so welcome.

No, I remember like

the pilot of this show.

I did Will and Grace for many, many years.

We love this show.

It's so complicated.

It's actually not.

It's the opposite of the game.

He's gay.

She's gay.

They're gay.

So it was the pilot, Shawnee?

It was the pilot that I didn't really, I'd never done a TV show.

So it was like a pilot and I walked in not knowing how cameras were, anything.

Right.

And I walked in and I got a laugh on just like some benign

line, like, hey, Will, can I borrow your blank?

Or I don't know what it was.

And people laughed.

I'm like, in my head, I'm like, why are they, why are they laughing?

I just said something.

And then at the end of the pilot that night, this first assistant director came up to me and she was like,

you know, she was like, you're, you're great.

You're amazing.

I'm like, really?

Like, I didn't understand any of it.

Yeah.

It does take hearing it from the outside, doesn't it?

I mean, Olivia, was there a moment there where somebody, I mean, sometimes it's a parent, you know, that goes, hey, you know, you've done good or a teacher or was it, do you remember?

Was there a moment like that?

Yeah, maybe maybe my I did my first ever school play when I was 16 yeah and that's the first time I'd done any acting

and yeah I've got to say I really enjoyed

afterwards people clapping that was brilliant yeah at that age too that's such a tricky age

you're sort of you're just constantly

shit at everything

so rubbish finally thought oh and my mum and dad who just couldn't really speak afterwards went oh fuck

and i thought oh

that's a good thing yeah yeah you know that's interesting i know it's very it's very english to not to not want to uh uh you know you know sort of pat yourself on the back and and uh and it i i i get it but there are those moments that you have there's undeniable where you go like yeah okay i was kind of uh jb i remember when we were doing a arrested development 20 years ago over 20 years ago and uh remember that there was a guy one of the first editors and i remember you and i were walking and he came down the stairs you and i were on the old culvert lot.

And he said,

Do you remember that guy?

And he came over and he goes, Guys, I've been cutting the show, and it had it air.

We'd only made like three episodes.

And he was like, Guys, this show is really funny.

We're like, Really?

I know.

You never know.

We had no idea because we were in a vacuum.

And he's like, Yeah, she's really cool.

I remember doing a 12th night, the Shakespeare play 12th night in high school.

Olivia were going to be to you in one second.

Yeah.

No, I was because I want to know about your high school experience, the play that you said you had a response to.

And I didn't know what, I didn't understand what I was saying.

It was Shakespeare, literally Shakespeare.

And I got a laugh on some, I'm like, why are they laughing?

And I was 16 years old.

Same thing.

But what was yours?

Oh, the prime of Miss Jean Brody.

Obviously, didn't have a clue what it meant at the time.

Yeah, yeah.

And looking back now, it was all sort of about.

fascism and

so at the at that age that's the age where you start to think about uh college right and and picking a career and so it was kind of timely that that that you kind of got this pat on the back and and did you then at that moment choose this is the this is the direction I'm going to go?

Well, I sort of, I never really admitted it to anyone out loud, but in my head I thought, I wonder if I'm allowed to be an actor.

Because I didn't come from that, you know, so I didn't know.

Yeah.

And

so I didn't tell, I went off to teach a training college,

which I left after a term and then worked as a cleaner for a long time and still sort of secretly thinking, I really want to try the acting thing.

Yeah.

What did you teach in the actual activity?

But you went to Bristol.

sorry, you went to Old Vic Theatre School though, yeah?

Bristol Old Vic afterwards, yes.

So, yes, I went to the teacher training college where I met my husband who was at the university.

And

we were 20, we were doing a play then.

And I walked into the rehearsal room and saw him and got thunderbolts.

And

then we did a play together.

And he was doing law, but

was sort of didn't really like it.

And then I said, run away with me and we'll go and be artists and join the circus and

and so he did it's nice he finished his degree because he's you know proper yeah clever and then what was that first what was that first job or moment where you go okay this this is this is something I think I'm gonna be able to make a living at this Well, we went to drama school.

He got in first.

And then I got in the year after.

And we did drama school together.

And then I got a job just before my last term,

which was a sketch show

and I don't think it was particularly great I wasn't very particularly good in it but the fact that I'd got a job I was so excited yeah and then I felt like I'd you know I earned some money and I could actually put actor on my passport yeah that's cool yeah it was exciting and then not not long after that you you

when did peep show come into into your world peep show yeah not long after that show is great yeah oh thanks yeah

so good oh i love it when people love Peep Show.

Yeah, that's so good.

That show.

It's so good.

That was Rob and David, who I'd met when I was, when I'd left my teacher training college,

Rob Webb, David Mitchell.

Yeah.

They had

spent the interim time writing and working hard.

And then they met Sam and Jesse, who wrote Peep Show, Sam Bain, Jesse Armstrong.

Yeah.

And they said, we need a woman.

And they went, oh, our mate, Collie, we could try her.

And

it was great.

And I was called into the BBC for an audition.

I was so excited.

And I couldn't work out why.

And

excited, not nervous.

And they'd also, yeah, so nervous.

Yeah, so.

And they also got me in for the sketch show, which was.

Did you, did you, did that,

it must have helped sort of shape your, your sort of your comedic

point of view a little bit, working on that show with those guys.

Yeah.

And I mean, I couldn't write for shit.

If Ogunda was to my head, I couldn't write anything funny, but they can.

And so they sort of make it easy.

We say their words and, you know, you, you appear to be funny, which is nice.

I would imagine working in that environment with those guys, you know, and

you with your talent and

working for the, I know it's not to embarrass you.

We're just, these are, these are just facts, Olivia.

So you have to accept them.

Okay.

So we have to,

but taking that, and I think working in that way with those guys who are so funny, and you're so funny,

and as you guys developed that show and worked on Peep Show over the years, I wonder if that sort of that spontaneity and that ability to work in comedy helped you later on as you sort of gravitated towards more dramatic roles.

Yeah, maybe.

I think,

and you know, I don't know how you feel about it.

You have to sort of be

have an enormous dollop of humility, I think, to be able to, for people to laugh at you

and with you.

You've got to really pull your pants down.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

And some people aren't coming.

I think some people aren't comfortable with it.

And I think that helps with, you've got to show vulnerability in the drama side and maybe.

Because it's quite brave to show yourself, to be an idiot in front of people and for them to laugh.

Yeah.

To be broken.

Yeah, it is.

And to be broken, but also because as you know, so much,

you know, timing plays a big part of it in comedy, right?

And so, so when you, and, and you really have to, in comedy, for the most, you really have to listen.

I mean, if ever there was a discipline, you know, an area in our world that you have to listen is comedy because you have to, it's so important to be able to land stuff.

And so that, if you bring that into dramatic work, you, you know, you are really listening and you really understand rhythm.

There is a sort of

almost a musicality to it, you know?

Yeah, totally.

You're explaining it really well.

Yeah.

Done.

Yeah.

First time.

First time I've done it right.

I'm always surprised that people are still shocked when people in comedy can do drama.

It's like,

oh my God, what?

It's like, well, what do you, where does it come from?

It doesn't work the other way, though, does it?

Yeah.

No, it doesn't.

Yeah.

Well, often it doesn't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, obviously plenty can,

but it is, it is odd how it's easier to make the move from comedy to drama than the other ones.

I think that it does have something to do with that rhythm and that listening and all that stuff and being present.

Like you're forcing it.

Oh, look, somebody's just delivered.

Sorry, my husband's just brought me a massive gin and tonic.

There we go.

Oh, that's so nice.

It's that time of the evening.

It is massive.

I just want to.

Hi.

Sorry.

That's Ed.

That's Ed, the bartender.

Thanks, Ed.

Thanks, Ed.

Thanks, Ed.

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Didn't I just see a trailer for there's a you've got a you've got a hilarious comedy coming out.

Segue.

Yeah.

Yeah, but what is it?

What it's

I want to say it's like War of the Roses.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Is that what I was saying?

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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something hearing about Cumberbatch in your life.

You know, and you know, you've probably heard this all the time.

Americans, I think, a lot of us were so and are still enamored with British comedy, right?

And the,

even the most, even the most crass, vulgar like sketch shows or comedy shows that come out of it, there's still like a sophistication to the crass.

You know what I mean?

There's still like a slickness to it.

Sorry, subtlety.

He's getting to, he always gets to.

He wants to know your views on Benny Hill.

Go ahead, John.

No, no.

But there is, there is like, so who growing up made you go like, was there anybody you'd watched on the telly or the movies that you were like, oh, that's really interesting?

Well, I think it works the other way, too.

I mean, we, I'm obsessed with American comedy.

And on Channel 4 here, every morning, we have um

cheers and frasier and king of queens and everybody loves raymond all those lovely comedies that i remember um any others or uh

yeah not they're good

for will and grace oh

only the good ones only the good ones yeah but literally and friends and arrested development and

no and

we are all

we can sort of quote most of

you know all my friends excuse me, adore American comedy.

And I find American comedy very sophisticated.

That's so funny.

It's so funny.

It's so funny.

We all sort of look longingly.

I've always, my favorite film of all time is Withnail and I, and I've said it a million times.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

Yeah.

And to me, it is the gold standard of, because it's not just a comedy.

It's quite dramatic.

Everything about it is so perfect.

And I just find it so hard to believe that somebody could make something like that here.

Hard to believe that I have still not seen it.

I'm putting it right in your mouth right now.

Say it again.

It's such a treat.

I'm so jealous that you haven't seen it.

I know.

Say it's the title again.

With nail and I.

With nail and I.

It's the most perfect film.

Richard E.

Grant.

Bruce Robinson wrote and directed amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

Amazing.

Like with like with a nail.

Like with a nail nail.

Oh, God, this is so embarrassing.

Yeah, that's his words.

It's the guy's name.

Last night.

Okay, but that's why I asked.

It's his name.

It's a fair question, Sean.

I've got you.

I've got you.

Thank you, thank you.

I don't know.

There's something, but there is like British humor humor tends to be to sort of lean back just a little bit and let you kind of discover it.

Whereas I think we in America, along with everything, we kind of want to show it to you a little bit quicker than you might see it.

We're a little bit more earnest, a little louder, a little more obvious, I find,

is the difference.

And

I kind of like having to lean in to find it a little bit more.

I love that the dryness and the no-winking of British humor so much.

I think that's lovely of you, but I do sort of feel that way about watching all of you perform.

Yeah, yeah.

I wonder, you know, I listed off your credits and I'm such a fan of so many of these things.

First of all, you know, Broadchurch, again, that's what an example of a show that is like the gold standard to me.

I mean, if every show could,

every once in a while, I look, you know, I go onto one of my streaming services that I subscribe to and go like, is there Britbox?

is there a way

box?

Is there a way that there's a new series of broad charts?

And I've just missed it and now it's going to be on.

And no, there's not.

But you've done so many things.

And I think once in an interview, you said you don't really, that you're, do you say that you're bad at choosing jobs?

You just kind of do the next job that comes along.

That can't possibly be true.

Well, I feel guilty saying no.

Yeah.

And I think

in the early years, you know not working very often yeah was uh actually brilliant because it's made me very grateful for um

work yeah um and same same same same yeah yeah um and i i think it's better that way around than doing really well straight away i think but you've you've had you but you've had to sharpen your your your scissors a bit right because i imagine

you get a ton of offers and submissions and scripts to read and and incoming calls because of all the obvious reasons.

So you can't possibly say yes to everything.

And so your picker does need to become somewhat refined.

Yeah.

And is there something that you really look for that starts to have you lean one particular way?

Is it character?

Is it script?

Is it director?

Co-star?

Location?

Location.

I don't know.

Right now.

I'm getting slightly better at saying no

because

I want to be at home a lot.

Up until COVID, I had never been away from

Ed for longer than two weeks,

which in our world is quite unusual.

I didn't really take jobs away from home and I made sure I got back.

Yeah.

Because I get quite homesick.

And you've got a family, you've got three, you've also managed to somehow have three kids in there as well.

That's cool.

And they're really nice.

Yeah, I bet, I bet, I bet.

That's the best.

Right.

It is sort of, I was talking with a friend about this last night.

You know, you can be a great parent, but it's still, you're just still crossing your fingers that you get good ones because it's not really in your control.

You can move your kid just a little bit, right?

We've talked about it in the show before in this nature versus nurture.

What's your experience been like with that?

You've got a great sample there with three, how you never get two of the same.

So now you've got three there.

Are they wildly different?

They must be.

Well,

two are boys, one's a girl.

That's a good start.

So it's a bit of difference there.

But also not really, you know.

No.

No.

And I feel when people talk about difference between genders, I sort of,

I don't really see it between them.

They all arrived nice.

They were so nice when they turned up.

Nice.

Yeah.

And

they're all equally emotional and funny.

How old are they?

So nearly 20, nearly 18, and nearly 10.

So there was a bit of a gap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We were home and dry and went back in, had another.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good.

Good for you.

Yeah, we are.

So is that?

Sorry, Willie.

Is the eldest out of the house yet?

Is the second eldest about to go out?

Because I'm dealing with that in our house.

And it's just like, God, empty nesting.

It's heartbreaking.

Yeah.

So our big one is in his second year of uni.

Okay.

And second one is literally did his last A-level today.

So he's at the beach now with his friends.

Had a ghost.

So

he said it was good.

Yeah.

Which is words that never came out of my mouth after an exam.

And yeah,

the eldest one, when he

was about to go to uni, so we knew for a year, obviously, he was going to go to uni.

And I pre-grieved.

And every time he walked past me, I'd burst into tears.

And I just imagine him going back to being a baby in my arms.

And he was so sweet.

He would just give me me a cuddle.

He just knew I needed it.

And then my husband was going, it'll be great.

He'll, you know, it's exciting.

This is what you want for them.

And then on the day that we were driving him to uni, our youngest came out of the gate and watched us drive down the road and just stood there waving.

And Ed burst into tears.

And I went, Are you fucking kidding?

We've got five hours in the car.

You can't stop it.

Pull it together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, speaking of being a good mom, you and Heartstopper, like,

like, I wish my mom, at the time, she turned around, was great when I came out.

But that scene that they used in the promo of you listening to your son come out and your response and your reaction.

That scene was so powerful.

I'm like,

it's just incredible.

And I wish everybody's experience was like that.

Sean, give me a little bit of context.

What's the context?

So Heartstopper was about a lot of things, but

Olivia played the mom of a kid who came out of the closet and

his journey in high school and all of that stuff.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

It's coming of age.

Yeah.

And I think just so beautifully written, it's like the blueprint for, you know, hopefully parents will reply in that way.

And a huge hit.

Massive hit.

Yeah, huge hit.

People have really loved it.

That's been a lovely response, actually.

Whenever anyone, often men over the age of 40, you know, get really teared up and go, thank you so much for that.

I'm just

that really nice.

That nice when we were all coming out in the 80s.

Anyway,

how are you able to keep your

two-week thing going

with as much work that you do away from England?

You have.

Is Ed able to come with you?

Does he do something that he can do remotely?

We do try to do that.

Yes, so he is a writer and we have a production company and

sort of runs that.

I am useless in that.

And you guys produced, you produced The Roses, you and Ed, right?

Ed did.

Yeah, okay, okay, right, okay.

Ed and Sonny March, that's Benedict's company,

and Fox Searchlight, and yeah.

Can't wait to see it.

But not me.

I'm called an EP on it, but I did absolutely fuck all.

You get a fee.

What about,

where'd you shoot that?

In England or out here?

In England?

No, in England.

Our characters live in America, but we did

forgive me, UK, for getting Devon and Dorset in a muddle.

I mean, that's sacrilege.

But we filmed in one of those,

and it was very beautiful.

I've done it.

You really don't.

I'm going to have to come over and live in America with you.

I missed that.

What did you say?

I just got two counties in a muddle, and they'll get really upset by that.

Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

Oh, wait, so then you both play, you're both British actors.

You played Americans.

No, we played English because they thought, I think Tony liked the idea of our our Englishness in America.

And

the way we properly slag each other off and the American, incredible American cast, by the way.

Kate McKinnon, Andy Sandberg, Zoe Chow.

Great.

Yeah, amazing.

Sunita Mani.

Just brilliant.

Who directed the film?

Jay Roach.

Oh, Jay Roach.

Yeah.

I love him.

Yeah, lovely.

Oh, my God.

Poor thing.

He was like herding cat.

This is kind of like an all-star, this is an all-star movie, all-star director, all-star cat.

August 29th.

I'm just giving him a spell song.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We all realize it's a business at the end of the day.

Listen, you may have got to go.

Come to the premiere.

Come to New York.

We're definitely going to come to the

bottom of the street.

We'll save it.

How do you like that part of it?

Doing the chat and giggle tour and doing the talk shows and things like that.

And stuff like this.

Does it come naturally?

It's never never really to me i i what do you like it do you enjoy it no

i there's no point lying i don't yeah right did michelle pfeiffer name drop say she does the film for free it's the press they they pay her for yeah

i kind of feel the same yeah yeah i know i love michelle pfeiffer uh you know

i was gonna say you mixed up two uh english counties for which you may never be forgiven however

you you've you've got so much credit uh you've built up so much credit because you played arguably the most iconic

English person of all time when you played the queen

in the crown.

And I got to ask.

I know.

I just want to know.

The weight.

First of all, you were so, Sean.

No, sorry, it's not the show.

It's not the queen that you're thinking of.

No, it's the sequel to Heartstock.

Yeah.

No, it's not.

Oh, it's not.

No, I got you.

It's not.

Oh, my God.

You're here.

It's.

It's.

What are wearing

how very dare you

know it's it's uh you must have been when how did well a couple questions how did that come into your world how did you how did that offer come around and when you got it and the weight of playing the queen as a one English person what you felt when you got the offer like wait what all of that well I've been watching Claire Foy they'd advertised it so so much here you know big posters everywhere.

And, and everyone loved it, which made me go, I'm not going to watch it.

I don't want to be pushed into

discover things.

Yes.

Yeah.

But then, of course, I watched it and absolutely loved it.

I was obsessed with Claire Foy.

And then my agent called me once when I was driving and said,

they'd like to see you for, she called, she said, the crown.

No, she said the queen.

That's it.

And I went, oh, what?

The play?

Oh.

And she said, no, no, the telly.

What's it called?

I went, went, oh, the crown.

Are you kidding?

And I went, absolutely, yes.

She went, oh, you should think about it.

Went, no, no, it's a yes.

And I said, oh, absolutely, yes.

And I hadn't really thought about the weight of what it would be.

So you just, you're like, I'm all in.

I was so excited.

Also, to be fair, I had a huge tax bill as well that year.

So

it really came at a good time.

After they saw the cut?

I thought you were going to say, I thought you were going to say, to be fair, I just had a huge gin and tonic, which I'm like,

I mean, that's often the case.

Yeah.

I say yes.

Of course.

But I was driving.

So, well, right.

So it was a smaller gin and tonic.

So when you,

so you get this, so your agent calls and says, and you say yes straight away.

Okay, great.

Okay, fantastic.

Now, there's the lead up, whatever it is, the months leading up to doing it, and you've got to get your head around playing the queen.

So you go in and you meet.

Yeah, I did start to regret my decision a bit because I thought, oh, actually, this is massive.

And yeah, I mean, everyone knows what she looks like.

Everyone knows what she sounds like.

And

yeah.

and I did start to go, oh fuck, I shouldn't have done this.

Also, I can't walk posh.

You can't walk posh.

No.

Is there a walk?

Is there a posh walk?

Yeah, I walk like a farmer.

And

the director did shout out.

He's not pleased that I keep reminding him of this, but he did say, more queen, less farmer.

Take your flats off and the heels on.

Right away.

Oh, that's funny.

Wait a second.

Wait, is it?

I love that so much.

So you get there, and then it's day one.

We've asked this before, which is like that, that moment when you're going to do your first take and you're rolling for the first time.

And like,

and you've got it, and like, okay, I'm now about to.

You know, that first time you open your mouth and you can sense everyone going, oh, and everybody's watching, right?

If it's

whatever it is,

oh, really?

Let's see her.

Let's see her version of the queen.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And I can watch back that first scene I did and I can tell that i wasn't

um yeah well talk about it talk about it talk about it yeah well it was that i think they did try to do things chronologically so it was my the stamp reveal at the you know of the when they they update our

stamps yes uh with the as the monarch ages and So they went from Clairefoy's face, beautiful young Clairefoy, to me.

And

I guess I really felt incredibly nervous.

I think I had quite a skirt below my knees, but my knees were absolutely going up and down.

You know, that's what we need then.

Yeah.

And I sounded quite, it was really quite tight in the back of the stage.

I wonder if that worked, though.

I wonder if that worked.

Like maybe

I don't ever look either.

I don't want to know.

And people, people might have been writing and going, what the fuck?

Why is she doing it?

All right.

So then two questions.

So it does sound like yes is the answer to the first one, which is do you watch playback on set or once the job is done uh not on set no you can't so once it's because i think it takes too much time i just want to get get the day done yeah yeah

well but yeah exactly but maybe once they've once they've moved on you know they're setting up the next shot i i've always found that it's helpful for me to look at like just the first couple of days to see if i'm

wildly off track or not, right?

To see how it's kind of coming across.

But you don't.

So you wait until it's all done.

And then.

I didn't really want to on that first day.

I think I would have unraveled.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So

it's got to keep going.

It's going to get better.

I'll relax as we go.

Right.

And then once it's done,

so JB, you're watching, you're watching first couple days.

You're watching dailies or you're watching

to see

either, both.

Yeah.

Just to see if I'm kind of in the same movie, like dailies.

I'll look at

scenes that I wasn't on the set for to see if I'm in the same tone, the same project as they are.

Oh, that's a good idea.

But then once it's out, do you not look at reviews?

Well, my husband will show me if it's a good one.

Gotcha.

And if anyone's been mean, I don't want to see it.

Gotcha.

Because then that's all you think about.

You never remember the good bits.

You remember the bad bits that people see?

I know it.

I know it.

I know.

But I always struggle with like, well, but we're making this for the public, and it'd be helpful to see if what...

I think is working works for the masses, right?

Because you are looking for a consensus.

But don't you ask someone else, a trusted friend, to look for you.

Yeah, but also.

But also, you are making it for public consumption, but I'm not making it for them.

I always think like I'm making it for me.

Yeah, you have to want to watch it, don't you?

It's tricky.

Yeah, it is tricky.

Yeah.

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So you were talking about this great cast that you worked with

on the roses and Kate McKinnon and

very good at bringing it back around.

Oh, yes.

Well,

I'm not just doing it for, well, you know, I'm one of the worst interviewers on the planet.

You can do it.

Oh, we got all the super.

Sean was nominated once

when we first started.

Sean was nominated for best interviewer and Jason and I were snubbed.

This is why you're all in separate rooms.

Yeah, we can't be together.

This is why I went to Seattle.

Right.

But I was going to say, with those great people,

did you, was there a lot of, there must have been a lot of fun that Mr.

McKinnon, because Kate McKinnon and Andy in particular, so funny and so, such great improvisers.

And Benedict is wonderful, right?

I don't know Benedict at all.

Oh, God, yeah.

Yeah, just a tiny bit.

I just only met him a couple of times, but he seems to have an incredibly good sense of humor.

Really does.

And just so enthusiastic.

Yeah.

And like a great, big, intelligent human Labrador.

I saw him once repacking his suitcase in the lobby of the Greenwich Hotel.

That's the only time I've ever.

I didn't say hi because he looked like

he's really trying to jam something in.

This is a true story.

He's really trying to jam.

You know, in that little part right there between the restaurant and the thing.

Yeah.

Wasn't he mumbling?

Something like, no, the dogs will smell it here.

I could have been over there.

yeah.

I should have just swallowed it.

I should have just swallowed it.

But it must have been, it must have been a lot of laughs on, like, a lot of improvising.

There were some scenes where we were all together, like a dinner table scene, and it was so hard to get through the day.

Yeah.

And I really felt for poor Jay Roach.

Yeah.

Just,

you know.

Yeah.

And the crew waiting for you guys to finish giggling.

I know, to stop finding ourselves so funny.

I know.

Well, did the, I've worked with some really incredible actors that are great at improvising and coming up with alternate jokes and stuff.

And

it made me go back to my dressing room in between setups and try to catch up and look at my scene and try to come up with other lines so that I was being as sort of creative as they are.

Did you find that kind of not pressure?

It's not like a bad

I think because I've never written comedy

and

we were talking about this, Benedict and I.

We're very much, Tony McNamara has written it, and our job is to do the script.

And then we're sort of, it's fairly boring of us.

But then you're in the, you know, in a room with Andy Sandberg and Kate McKinnon, for example, and you go, oh, fuck.

I mean, I can't do that.

I don't think I can do that.

Which is also fine.

Yeah.

And I think know your know your strengths, know your limits.

Exactly.

And I'm so thrilled to have seen them do what they do.

You know, SNL alumni.

And

so fast.

Did I say the right way around?

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

Can we change lanes for a second?

Just talk about the favorite for a minute.

It was such a brilliant film.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How did that come into your world?

I think it was because I'd done The Lobster with Yorgos Lanthem's.

Yeah, also

i love him what a filmmaker he is my goodness oh my god he's amazing

if you if he asks you say yes please i'd pull cable on his set so you oh jason emails him every day every day jason emails him yeah i think i might not have the right address still alive

no so so right so you did the lobster so then the favorite comes along god that film is remarkable oh my god and i read the script and i love you know when you get proper sometimes you go i think i like it but this one you go oh my god, I could potentially try and run someone over if they were up for the same job.

You know, I want it so much, right?

Because that it's so clear on the page what an what a

what a colorful character that is.

You must have like, I would imagine your only challenge was like,

what version of color should I do on this character?

Because it was just, it's just so spicy, right?

Yeah.

Or was it clear to you for right from the beginning?

Yeah, sort of, yeah.

It was so

clear on the page, I thought.

Also, some actor friends of mine, they read a script and they read it as one thing and then they read it again in another way and they read it again, they see all this.

And I've never had that.

And I sort of, you know, when they talk about their way of doing things, I panic, think, oh, I can't, I think I'm a very simple person.

I just can't really.

I know what you mean.

And so that

reading the favorite, I just went, oh, God, I can picture exactly.

I really want to do it.

And then I was doing Broadchurch, I think the third season, and I couldn't fit it in.

And I sort of, they know that lump in your throat when you go, I'm not available.

And he said, okay, well, we'll wait.

It was amazing.

Wow.

So he waited for me, which was.

What a vote of confidence.

Oh, God, love him forever for that.

Did you, when was the first time you gave him like a little taste of the character?

Was that was that scary?

Like were you sitting around a table?

Were you guys working on the table?

Well he because he did he he's from theater background and he does we did I think three weeks of rehearsal.

Oh great.

What a luxury.

I know.

Amazing.

It makes for a better product.

Yeah.

Also he does it with sort of theatre games.

So you might do he loves to do the whole script from start to finish, but without maybe saying it, you might go blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah in the sort of gist of what you're saying and you all just go blah blah blah blah to each other and get through the whole story.

Wow.

Or you do it all holding hands and you're tying yourselves in a massive knot.

So you end up with your face near someone's bum and

someone's foot in your armpit.

And so you end up

with no inhibitions,

pissing yourselves, laughing together.

So you start your first day on set, you know the film inside out, you know each other, totally at ease with each other.

I've never done anything like it.

It was amazing.

It was lovely.

It's the vast.

It's like astonishing that not every director does that.

It's like, don't you want the whole cast to feel like they know each other and like there's history there?

Otherwise, it's like, hi, nice to meet you.

Ready to go?

Well, I don't know.

We haven't had even a dinner together.

I've got a sex scene.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like, I don't understand why it's not always like that.

Yeah.

Oh, I'd love to know more about that.

Yeah, that whole rehearsal process.

That's amazing.

It was really nice.

I thought it was going to come in London.

Go ahead.

Oh, yeah.

We'll all come.

We'll all come to your rehearsals.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's do that.

And do the games and do the stuff so that Jason's face ends up near Sean's bum.

There we go.

For a second time.

Wait, Olivia, what were you going to say?

I cut you off.

I'm sorry.

I have no idea.

Sorry.

My attention is Spanish.

Sorry.

So then you went, you know, again,

at risk of embarrassing you further, but you win the Academy Award for the favorite.

Great speech, by the way.

Thanks.

Great.

I did.

I loved the speech.

It was so memorable.

Thanks so much.

And then the next, so then the next day, so you win the Academy War, you're great.

Sean's right, great speech.

And then you win the, and then it's the next morning and you wake up.

And then it's like,

just get a cup of coffee like every other day.

Like how, yeah.

You know?

Or a couple of ibuprofen and a few coffees.

Yeah, it's a late night.

Yeah.

Yeah, kind of.

bonkers.

Yeah, and then you've got to fly home with it, right?

So

yeah, yeah.

And I put it in my hand luggage because I didn't want it to go into the hold of the legs.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

And then

the stewardess is asking, can we see it?

Have you got it?

I'm like, yeah, I've got it in my bag.

How about that going through going through the metal tank?

The weeper.

Yeah.

Did they see it?

Yeah, I suppose so.

They must have done.

Just going by the screen, there's an Oscar going through the screen.

Yeah, I imagine that shape comes up pretty clear on the

want to check it in the luggage and put it in the hold because if they lose it then it's good night Oscar you know

oh my goodness Will

that's Sean's play that's Sean's play good night Oscar

oh my gosh it's a terrible tieback

so so you take it out and are you showing it around the cabin there with the stewardesses and whatnot or is it just kind of just unzip and just take a look in the bag just a little look in the bag because I find I don't have anything out on show at home.

I find it a little

bit showy.

Oh my God, you're so English.

You're so English.

It's delightful.

It's absolutely.

It's in the closet somewhere.

Yeah, it was

in a cupboard

in our sitting room.

Yeah.

Just because I, but we've discovered the cupboard's a bit damp.

So we live in a very old house.

Our whole house is...

the front of it's 1600.

So I know

it's so pretty, but it is a bit damp.

Yeah.

And

our lovely Darren, who's our

carpenter, handyman painter, he opened the cupboard and went, are you fucking kidding?

And went,

you know, I've stamped here.

And

so he made me take it out.

And I've now got it on a bookshelf, but behind a book.

So that's

I know it's there and I can say hello to him.

No, that's nice.

It's really nice.

That's very good.

And Darren rescued him.

You get another one, you bake bookends.

You know, then you're going to have to look at it.

So before we let you go, I mean,

you got a very busy life.

You're working all the time.

You're just, I mean, you could

almost,

and you're out in the countryside.

What do you do?

We always ask people, is there one sort of guilty pleasure-like thing that you do?

Like little

sort of TV that you watch that you enjoy?

What's the dumbest thing you enjoy?

Do you do anything dumb as a sort of hobby that's kind of secret and nobody knows about?

I think I tell everybody everything, so nothing's really very secret.

But

I really love shit reality telly.

Yeah, I do.

Oh my God.

Have you seen Too Hot to Handle?

No.

Fucking brilliant.

What is that?

Is that up there with like Love Island and Below Deck and stuff like that?

Below Deck, I love Below Deck.

Yeah, I think it's a good thing.

Love Island I've never seen, but

Too Hot to Handle is, please watch it.

So it's all these really oversexed, incredibly hot, beautiful people who are on this island they're told they're there for a show a dating show and then it's great and then uh the presenter comes on and says actually you're all here for too hot to handle and you can see them going oh god because it means that they're not allowed to touch each other and they start with a money pot of like a hundred grand and

They forget that there's a million cameras in this house.

And anyone, so

masturbation is like five grand a snog is two grand it's hilarious

or it's so funny

it's so good and then the next morning this sort of um it's like a what are those I don't have one those gadgets in the house that you can talk to oh yeah like an Alexa

so this Alexa type thing goes um let's all meet on the sofa and they all go well haven't I haven't done it for you who's lost us some money and then she says the the money pot is now down to 90 grand Someone was being shot.

And they're all looking at each other.

You've got to figure out who did it.

And then they clearly go to like a hand moving under the duvet.

It's so funny.

That's funny.

Wait, I've got to see it.

10 grand, but it's only 5 grand.

Yeah, no, Gary jerked off twice.

Oh, that sounds so good.

Wait, is that on British?

Sometimes I think totally worth it.

I'll take it.

Is it a British show or is it on Netflix or something like that?

I have a feeling it's

with Americans out

of English.

I think it, yeah.

yeah.

All right.

What about the Traitors?

Have you seen The Traitors?

Do you have any shows?

I love Traitors.

Love Traitors.

Yeah, I love Traitors.

We go on holiday every year with

four families, and we play Mafia

every night.

Yeah, during the pandemic.

Yes, now listen to this.

During the pandemic, we were playing Mafia on Zoom with like 20 people, right?

And after like 10 times, I'm like, I feel like this is a TV show, but I didn't do anything about it.

And then cut to one of the biggest shows in the history of the world, The Traitors.

I mean, it's exactly the same thing.

Where do I find that, Will, or Sean?

On

Peacock is at the Alan Cumming, the American version.

And then I think the UK.

I haven't seen the American one yet.

Oh, yeah, I've seen the UK version as well.

And then what's her name?

Claudia

Winkleman.

She's great.

Who's my friend Chris's wife?

She does the UK version.

Oh, my God.

She's a great person.

You know her?

I do.

Yeah.

She's my friend Chris TK's wife.

I would love to meet her.

Yeah.

But JB, remember we played Mafia every night at New Year's this past year.

Yeah.

I'm always playing.

With the kids and with every.

We had all our kids.

We had every

20 times.

Do you find if you get murdered, you know it's your kids that have done it?

It's every time.

It happened a lot.

It happened a lot.

Kids always murder their parents.

I ended up, I tell you what, I ended up having to run it most of the times.

I only got to play like twice of like the 20 times we did it.

Right.

Which was a bummer.

And if I get, if I get, if I pick the killer card and i'm the murderer i start laughing immediately like i'm the worst what you do a killer you guys do cards that you pick

or somebody is yeah yeah no we assign we assign

everybody close their eyes and we go around and whoever's running it assigns okay we do cards yeah we do interesting same as sean um and we have the same guy called guy who is the best uh

guy at running it yeah and he loves it and he likes to run it he's got a gentle welsh accent and it really works he loves

Olivia, if we see each other in London, we should play.

Oh my God, we will.

I'll get Guy along.

Yeah.

He can run us.

Do it while me and Amanda are there, Shani.

Yeah, yeah.

We should.

That'd be so fun.

Let me know.

Well,

Olivia Coleman.

I'm so thrilled to meet you.

I've had such a nice time.

Thank you.

Absolute thrill.

What a beautiful.

I'm a huge, massive fan we all are of yours.

Oh, massive fan.

Well, me too.

I was incredibly nervous.

For the first half of this, my heart was going like mad.

Oh, excited.

And you came in in

with the lubrication.

Yes, and you could tell that I needed

a little castle.

You were fantastic.

You were terrific.

Very terrific.

Nice to meet you.

Thank you for doing this.

Oh, thank you for having me.

Have a great summer.

I'll see you in London and we'll play Math.

Yes, we would love it.

In London, and a lot of success with the Roses, August 29th, once again, very happy for you and your success.

Oh, thank you so much.

I'm a huge fan of all of you, and I'm really grateful you had me on.

Thank you.

Thank you, thank you.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

What a a nice

like a strawberry Wimbledon breakfast, you know?

Sure.

What's a strawberry Wimbledon?

Wimbledon?

I don't know, with the creams, it just feels so refreshing and European.

Yeah.

You know, first thing in the morning.

Yeah, it was really nice.

You know, people who are that joyful work a lot.

I like that.

You think that's the key?

Well, I think it's part of it, don't you?

Sure, exactly.

People choose.

Nobody wants to hire assholes.

No, exactly.

This is what I keep telling you, Sean.

Straighten out.

Get in line.

I mean, it's, yeah.

She does work a lot.

She's in so many different things in so many different types of roles.

I forgot to tell her she's in the bear.

She's also a recurring character.

Yeah.

There's no way.

Yeah.

What's she doing in that show?

I don't know, man.

She's poking the bear.

I guess she pokes the bear.

Sounds like a dream.

What about the...

What about where she lives?

It's in the middle of the countryside in England.

I mean, doesn't that sound like that?

And you can just sort of see her like just kind of children laughing and the wind just sort of

gentle

breeze through the trees and the birds and stuff.

Ice clattering against the side of the glass.

A large genitonic.

Yeah,

yeah.

With a, with something grilling on the thing outside and friends over, maybe some mafia late in the night.

Yeah.

Is he trying to get closer to a bi?

You know?

I don't know.

What did Rob just send?

What does that word mean?

He's pitching a bi here, and it's some

bicolic.

Rob Army,

alcoholic, bicololic.

No, it's like bucolic, but bicolic.

Bucolic outdoors out of it.

Bicolic.

What does that even mean, bucolic?

Bucolic is sort of country, leafy, tree.

Yeah, you know, outdoors.

It's a pretty good one.

I actually think it's nice.

But it's bew and not by.

Yeah, but I'll tell you what would be good if you could somehow work in the word combined into something like that.

You can just, you could really lean on the bisexual.

Right, if you took

two, but then you were saying, and you put two,

right?

So, So, oh, I know.

She's an actress that can do comedy and drama.

So, what if you, yes, what if she found the perfect role where you oh, what?

Oh, she took the two things and she was able to

come

by.

Yes, come by, Colick.

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