"RE-RELEASE: Selena Gomez"

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Speaker 1 Hey, Will.

Speaker 2 Hello there. Hey, Sean.

Speaker 2 Will, you got some real sweaty pits today.

Speaker 2 Are you concerned about anything or are you just

Speaker 1 nervous?

Speaker 1 Nervous. I just took a lie detector.
Oh, wow. And what was the result? Um,

Speaker 1 I'm a liar.

Speaker 1 Anyway, this episode is going to be great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're going to work out some truth.

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Speaker 1 He's so tired. He's still got it.
So tired. Still got it.

Speaker 2 Sean, you had a hot Bob once, didn't you?

Speaker 1 I had a hot. Yeah, I had a hot toddy, a hot Bob, and a hot mic.

Speaker 2 You ever had a hot Bob haircut?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you did on the whatchamacallit, Stooges film.

Speaker 1 I had that shelf haircut in the 80s where you cut it cut in the back. Did you really? Yeah,

Speaker 2 that sounds very depeche mode.

Speaker 1 It's totally TDM, total depeche mode. I had like kind of long and then it's short in the back.

Speaker 2 You know, you had it like covering one of your eyes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just kind of like coming, you know.

Speaker 2 Archie's kind of got that, right? Your eldest son, there, listener.

Speaker 1 He's got a little bit of a, what's that?

Speaker 2 Kind of looking through his hair.

Speaker 1 Now it's kind of long all around.

Speaker 1 What's that? That's a what's that haircut? What's that? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I can't hear you because my hair is blocking my eyes, not my ears.

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Speaker 2 so uh hello to richard if you're listening here

Speaker 2 richard's got a uh richard's got i may have bored you with this before he's got a he's got a mirror face um like we all do but he's got a he's got a trigger sentence that that launches that mirror face you know everyone's got a face that they use well when you look in the mirror when you want to look your best like one last look to go out you kind of maybe tighten up the eyes you maybe turn your head a little bit

Speaker 1 right like that was his exactly right

Speaker 2 so what what richard does to prompt the mirror look he's looking for is

Speaker 2 he pretends that he is asking someone for directions, right?

Speaker 2 He's pulled up in his car next to someone walking their dog, maybe, and he asked them directions, and they give him the directions, and he looks forward over steering wheel, and then he figures, well, I maybe didn't hear it correctly, and then he'll turn to his left to the person, and he'll go, it's where?

Speaker 2 And so, it's where the combination of the turn and the question will tighten up the eyes just enough and give them just enough disdain to look sexy.

Speaker 1 It's where? Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's a good red carpet.

Speaker 1 Sexy disdain. That's the new one, right?

Speaker 2 He never looks hotter than when he says it's where.

Speaker 1 Which is so crazy because he's such a nice guy.

Speaker 2 He's a nice guy and he's nice looking.

Speaker 1 He's just not good with directions.

Speaker 2 Sean, good morning. Good morning to you.
What have you done so far today aside from putting on some smartless swag I see there on your body? You know, he's always wearing smartless shit, Will.

Speaker 2 Like, like, we're televising this, and he's helping move merchandise.

Speaker 1 I wear it because I really like it. I sleep in it.

Speaker 1 He sleeps in it. And, Sean, what was the sleep? What was the sleep schedule last night? Because you have a weird thing, you wake up at the night and then you go back to bed early in the morning.

Speaker 1 I go to bed at about midnight. I get up at about 3 a.m.

Speaker 1 I stay up until about six or seven. Then I fall back asleep for a couple hours, and I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 And then I need like another 10 minutes. And then I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 Total chaos. and then i'm good to go

Speaker 1 it is total chaos i'll send emails at three or four in the morning i know i know oh i know oh i know

Speaker 1 don't start doing well by the way i love the way your impression of me just has the dumbest look

Speaker 2 you know what we've done here sean though we've we've we've we've we've boosted up young willie willie started this

Speaker 2 started a pod a little bit down yeah a little bit out of sorts yeah and then it's just a little bit of love And now

Speaker 2 the wings are flapping.

Speaker 2 All right, tighten up, guest. Here we come.
Today,

Speaker 2 we have a guest who's a giant in many categories. She's a Titan in music, acting, producing, philanthropy, business, and social media.

Speaker 2 If you wanted to describe a person who's uniquely suited to soar in today's media and cultural systems, you would simply say her name.

Speaker 2 I think she's a Grammy, Emmy, SAG, Golden Globe, and Critics' Choice-nominated musician, actress, and producer. Her music has amassed 34 billion streams globally.

Speaker 2 She's got a movie coming out, a TV show that's already on, and a company that exceeds 300 million in sales annually.

Speaker 2 And when she's not running those things, she's keeping up with her 428 million followers on Instagram.

Speaker 2 What else needs to be said, guys? Please welcome the lazy, unaccomplished, unmotivated, and perpetually failing Ms. Selena Gomez.
Woo! Woo-hoo!

Speaker 1 Woo!

Speaker 1 Oh boy.

Speaker 1 The unmotivated, unmotivated, perpetually

Speaker 1 not to laugh. It was so hard.
Wow. Oh, my gosh, Selena.
Hello. Hi.

Speaker 3 Hi, guys. I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy you're here.

Speaker 2 This is a very nice thing you're doing for us and our listeners.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 This is more my thing.

Speaker 1 I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 That's pretty cool of you.

Speaker 1 If we didn't know, it looks like you were lying in bed and sheets with an overhanging skin.

Speaker 3 Oh, yes. Well, that is my beautiful background that I made for you guys because I figured that would be better than you're keeping it real.

Speaker 2 Listener, she's got just a sheet draped over just a bunch of dead bodies behind you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, perhaps it is.

Speaker 1 Good work. Thanks.

Speaker 1 Nice segue into murders.

Speaker 1 So, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, we're going to get to that. We're going to get to that.
So, Selena, where do we find you this morning? Are you in Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 I am. I am home right now, and I just had my coffee.
And yep.

Speaker 2 What time do you usually get up every morning? I'm a 6.30 guy.

Speaker 3 I'm about 7, 7.30.

Speaker 1 Are there animals to feed?

Speaker 3 Yes, I have two dogs.

Speaker 1 You do? What kind?

Speaker 3 They're little multipoos. They're pretty annoying but cute.

Speaker 2 Two the same.

Speaker 1 Is that because your body gets you up at seven or you just like?

Speaker 3 No, my body does. I think

Speaker 3 I don't know. For some reason, maybe the show or something, it's just embedded in me that I'm automatically up and then I feel like a piece of shit if I wake up at like 10.

Speaker 1 Sure, yes. Right.

Speaker 3 even though those are nice.

Speaker 2 What is that about the body that'll just wake you up at the same time every single day?

Speaker 1 Circadia rhythm. Circadia rhythm.
Marveling at the body. Look at this.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then if you just

Speaker 2 point and then if you point your eyes at something, it tells your brain what you're seeing.

Speaker 1 It's just discovery.

Speaker 1 You're like a one-man Spielberg movie. Just a wonderment of that.
Because if you put one foot in front of another, you'll just end up moving forward. That's incredible.

Speaker 2 All right, so Celia, with these two dogs, they're Maltese, Malty Poos.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's a combo, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. That's a mix.
They're very cute.

Speaker 2 They're brother and sister?

Speaker 3 No, they are. I got them at two different times, but they definitely don't act like brother and sister.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Rescues, purebreds. We can cut that if you want.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. I actually

Speaker 3 not afraid to say during COVID, I was very scared and lonely, and I found one one on Craigslist because the mom was like, we had babies and we don't know what to do. Yes.

Speaker 3 They were like, we don't know what to do. Our dog had puppies.
So I was like, I'll take one.

Speaker 2 Clear out for a joke.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, Will. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 No, it actually was really sketchy, though. They like drove in from Vegas and like rolled the window halfway down and then passed me the dog and wanted the cash.
I was like, all right.

Speaker 1 I did have a bad experience. I did have a bad experience once with this guy posted on Craigslist.
He said, who wants, for $100, you want to come out and check out these puppies?

Speaker 1 And let me say, when I got to his house,

Speaker 1 it was

Speaker 1 not

Speaker 1 dogs. Dogs.
It was not dogs.

Speaker 1 Come check out these puppies for $100.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Will. Thank you.
You rest again.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Let's,

Speaker 1 Will's

Speaker 1 literal speaking.

Speaker 1 In your own mouth.

Speaker 2 We're a little slappy this morning.

Speaker 1 We are super slappy. Super slappy.
Selena, isn't it better to get this over with than in the afternoon?

Speaker 1 No, I actually don't mind this.

Speaker 3 This is a great way to start my day.

Speaker 1 You guys are making me.

Speaker 2 Well, keep your knees bent. It's not over yet.
We'll let you revisit that at the end, see if you still love it.

Speaker 2 All right, now, Selena, you're incredibly accomplished. You started very young.
I want to know,

Speaker 2 so you started with acting, yes, because mom was an actor and got you kind of interested in that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she actually never pressured me or said that's what I should do. She just did a lot of theater growing up, so she never really did anything television-wise.

Speaker 3 And I was seven when I got my first job because I was only child, super dramatic. And I was like,

Speaker 3 I'm so capable of this. And I

Speaker 3 did.

Speaker 1 Kind of all it takes.

Speaker 3 But it worked, and I've just been working ever since. And I was this Barney lucky.
That was Barney. The perfect card.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's crazy. You are Barney with Barney.
Yes. Yep.
That's a nice. That's pretty rap.

Speaker 3 The guy who played Barney, he was pretty hot.

Speaker 1 Was he? Was he?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was hot. He had to be like fit and like cute because he's wearing this.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 3 well, he doesn't have to look cute, but he was.

Speaker 1 Barney.

Speaker 2 Hot Barney.

Speaker 1 This is changing everything. He's a new doc.
So he was a plushie. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh. I'm sorry, Sean.

Speaker 1 Was it just quick for Tracy, really quick?

Speaker 2 Just to break it up. Does Does Tracy need to know this?

Speaker 1 Does she want to know what a plushie is? Plushie is like a fetish where people dress up in like costumes and stuff, right? No, no, you guess. What do you mean right?

Speaker 2 You don't need to say right question mark to us.

Speaker 1 Or something.

Speaker 2 That is correct, Sean.

Speaker 2 All right, so we're with Barney and we're having fun on that. And then from there.

Speaker 1 How did Barney happen? I really want to know.

Speaker 3 It was, yeah, it was like a little thing, but I was in line with 1,400 people on a hot Texas day, and my mom was like, Are you sure you want to do this? I was like, Yeah, I was like, I'm fine.

Speaker 1 Because you knew what TV was and you thought it would be cool to be on TV.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was, I mean, my mom wasn't very intense about what I could watch, so I would stay up and watch friends with her and Will and Grace.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 that was like what I grew up with.

Speaker 1 Barney and Willing Grace. Barney and Will and Grace.

Speaker 3 For the longest time, by the way, on my bio on Instagram, says, I love Will and Grace.

Speaker 1 No way. That's so funny.
Yeah, through like a solid year.

Speaker 3 And then everyone was like, Can you maybe change that? I was like, that's very sweet.

Speaker 2 Did you ever see the episode where

Speaker 2 Will was in a dance-off with Sean? Janet Jackson. With Janet Jackson.

Speaker 1 You did? I was a backup dance. I played a backup dancer.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's right. And then Karen got mad because she fell for you.

Speaker 1 And yes, I remember. Yes.
Oh, my God. You really are a fan.
I am. Wait.

Speaker 2 Will, I remember you snapping those moves. I think I was there that night, right?

Speaker 1 You were there that night.

Speaker 2 You really know how to finish a move.

Speaker 1 Remember how it was?

Speaker 1 Hardpoints.

Speaker 1 But we were so tired and Jimmy's like, okay, let's do it again. I looked at Sean.
I'm like, we're not going to do it again. I'm not going to do it.
I am going to five points.

Speaker 1 But Selena, do you know, just as a Will and Grace super fan, you know, that there's a podcast that Sean does called Just Jack and Will that he does with Eric McCormick.

Speaker 3 No, I do know. I actually do know.
And I remember, like, my friend sent me the link because she knew that I was obsessed and I had no idea.

Speaker 1 Sean, did you know that Selena Gomez was such a huge Will and Grace fan? I did because I'm really good friends with Marty Short. Oh, no.
And then we chatted on the phone.

Speaker 1 Me and Selena chatted on the phone like a year ago or something, and you were like, oh, my God. And I was like, oh, my God.
I know. I freaked out.
And then I freaked out, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 And she was like,

Speaker 1 shuck. No, likewise, Selena.
I'm a huge fan. She's kind of a bit of a meat-cube fan.

Speaker 3 No, I'm very excited. I likewise with you.
Me too.

Speaker 1 And I grew up in the middle.

Speaker 1 53. 53 years.
All right. So we do,

Speaker 2 we're galloping along with acting. We've got the Barney under our belts.
We're moving to Waverly Place.

Speaker 3 Yes, my Disney show.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 And a few other jobs here, in, and there, and things are really moving. And

Speaker 1 cooking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then there's a cooking show later. We're going to get to that.

Speaker 2 But when did music

Speaker 2 start to tap you on the shoulder and say, hey, come this way?

Speaker 3 Well, I think that Disney is

Speaker 3 safe to say they're a machine.

Speaker 3 And they kind of, in a way, not forcefully required that i know how to sing so i could sing like the theme song like they know how to package someone and like make it a like a whole triple threat thing this was happening during waverly yeah so they they asked me to do the theme song and i had fun with that and then they were like would you like to do an album and i thought it would be fun and i thought more than anything it would be like a hobby that i really enjoyed and then and how old are you i wanted to be a serious actress i was 15.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And I wanted to be an actress. I never really intended on being a singer full-time, but apparently that hobby turned into

Speaker 2 something else. Now, did you have any idea that you could sing before you tried it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I was on Barney. I had to do, I love you.

Speaker 1 You love you. Well, that's not

Speaker 2 very challenging.

Speaker 3 You know, it warmed up my vocals.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
There you go. And then, and then because of that, did you take like singing singing lessons and developed your instrument, as they say?

Speaker 3 You know, I did.

Speaker 3 I don't think I'm the best singer, but I think I know how to tell stories and I love being able to make songs that, you know, I get more like a, I always get people coming up to me saying, I had no idea it was you that was singing that song.

Speaker 3 And that kind of makes it feel nice. It makes to me that I feel like it's just about the song then.

Speaker 1 I mean, Wizards of Waverly Place was a gigantic hit show.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I miss it.

Speaker 1 I want to say my sister wrote on that for a second. Really? She was a writer on that, maybe.

Speaker 2 I might not be wrong.

Speaker 3 But it was a blast. Like, I will say, yes.
That's why I love sitcom.

Speaker 1 Did you say you have a good memory, Jason? No, not really.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Wayne, we're going to get right back to you. But, Selena, I want to.

Speaker 1 So, what is it? It's Will.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Scott.

Speaker 2 So,

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Speaker 1 I love the bits.

Speaker 1 I love

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Speaker 2 All right, so then you know that you can kind of sing a little bit and the music starts to take off.

Speaker 2 Like, I guess what I'm asking is, at what point was the acting and the music at the same level and you kind of and you thought, do I have to pick or should I try to keep both these things going at the same speed?

Speaker 3 I started having a lot of fun with music and then touring was really fun.

Speaker 3 But I was doing my TV show at the same time

Speaker 3 and it

Speaker 3 wizards and I just

Speaker 3 found it really fun. So I just kept going.
But the older I get, the more I'm kind of like,

Speaker 3 I would like to find something to just settle on.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, it's exhausting, right? I mean, that sounds like super, that's so hard.

Speaker 1 I just think about the energy. This is such an older.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. I went to a mental institute and canceled one of my tours.
Like, really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because

Speaker 1 it was so exhausting.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it just got to me because I love working and it distracts me from bad things. And I like that.
So I just like working.

Speaker 1 I was just, yeah. I was just saying that this morning.
By the way, it reminds me of my three-year-old Denny. He calls lizards

Speaker 1 because he can't say L, he calls him wizards.

Speaker 1 So he's, I was like, we just saw there's a wizard in the backyard.

Speaker 1 I hope he's right. I really hope there's a wizard in the backyard.

Speaker 1 Because I want to talk to him.

Speaker 2 But wait, but Selena, you're saying that in a perfect world, you would pick either one or the other going forward.

Speaker 3 Well, I do feel like I have one more album in me, but I would probably choose acting.

Speaker 1 You would? Yes.

Speaker 2 God damn, you're so great at music, though.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 1 Here's the good news. You don't have to pick.
Don't have to pick.

Speaker 3 You're right, but I am going to want to chill because I'm tired.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 yeah, I mean, reading through, I can tell you we've had some very accomplished people on this show. Thank you, listeners, for making it a place where accomplished people want to come.

Speaker 2 I have never read so much information about a guest than I have about you. I mean, the things you have done in your,

Speaker 2 I mean, you're just barely 30, aren't you?

Speaker 1 31.

Speaker 2 It's just so admirable what you've done.

Speaker 2 Even

Speaker 2 on in philanthropy and

Speaker 2 in global sort of charities and being in what a UNICEF ambassador.

Speaker 3 I was a UNICEF ambassador and now I have my own foundation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just stunning. And we haven't even gotten to Rare Beauty,

Speaker 2 this beauty company, the makeup company. What do you call it?

Speaker 1 Rare Beauty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, what would you describe it as? A beauty company?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I would say cosmetics.

Speaker 3 You know, it's been really fun, but we're actually starting to get into skin now. I know this is all girly stuff, but I'm excited.

Speaker 1 I'm wearing makeup right now. I mean, exactly.

Speaker 3 I know, but

Speaker 3 we're going into skin now. It's about three years old, and it's honestly been the biggest gift because I launched it during COVID and it just took off, and I couldn't be more thankful.

Speaker 1 Did you launch it during COVID because you had time to finally, because you weren't on tour and you weren't shooting, you're like, now I have time to dedicate to this? And it came up,

Speaker 1 or was it something you always?

Speaker 3 It sucked.

Speaker 3 I was supposed to release it like a month right into COVID. So I had done all the promotion and everything.
It's about to come out. And then we figured, all right, we'll just try online.

Speaker 3 And I think makeup became really big during COVID because people would do the videos and they would, you know, you know, create looks and it kind of just took off.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 I'm always like, like, confused and just grateful because I've never been the type of person that want, I don't want to be or need to be the number one anything and I think that's what my mom has instilled in me because I don't I don't feel like anything's a competition so I'm I feel like there's room for everyone so yeah I'm really proud do you think like it's when you started Barney at seven and then wizards and then all that do you think that your work ethic and your drive and your ambition was instilled in you or would have happened anyway.

Speaker 3 Oh, I don't know. I would, I'm probably would have been a hot mess if I wasn't doing this.
I already am, but

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Obviously, tell us how.

Speaker 3 Oh, I've been to like four treatment centers and

Speaker 1 just because of depression, anxiety, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. And I'm bipolar as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, you've got cherry on top.

Speaker 2 I would say you've got an incredible

Speaker 2 dynamic head on your shoulders that takes a lot of management and analysis. And it sounds sounds like you're doing a pretty freaking good job.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no reason about it. Thank you.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Disney was like boot camp.
You know, they were dead.

Speaker 2 You know who doesn't have problems? You know who doesn't have problems, Lena?

Speaker 1 Dummies.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's where you get that trillion. Blissful ignorance.
That's where it comes from.

Speaker 2 You need to be really smart to be complicated.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'm

Speaker 1 crafty.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I can be. Yeah, I think you're doing great.

Speaker 2 It's not getting in your way of your accomplishments. And you and I have talked a few times.
You're incredibly nice. So

Speaker 2 your personal success is fantastic as well, as opposed to your business success. So whatever you're doing, keep going.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Are you super excited? So your mom, as you said, your mom is or was an actress, and kind of that sort of paved the way for you to get into it and take it seriously. And

Speaker 1 you mentioned you're an only child. Imagine you're still pretty close with your folks.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And was that like when you started to make that transition into becoming a star at a really young age, what was that dynamic like with your folks?

Speaker 1 Like, how much did you rely on them to kind of be there? And how has that relationship changed as you've gotten older? I mean, did you notice that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think when I was younger, my mom, I mean, my mom was my mom. I was under 18.
So I was getting invited to these events and stuff.

Speaker 3 And my mom, from a very early age, was like, you're going to walk the carpet. Maybe we'll stay for five minutes, but then adult time is probably going to happen.

Speaker 3 and you know it's like the vanity fair parties and all that stuff and so she was um

Speaker 3 she was always very protective of me but it never really felt like it was suffocating and she would always say the same thing to me she said the moment you stop having fun stop it's okay you know like you you don't need to just kill yourself over you know something if you're because

Speaker 1 right and the hours of people don't understand that the hours and hours and hours of work that it takes to do a tv show, a tour, whatever it is, or a movie.

Speaker 1 It's just like for a kid. It's hard enough to be a kid.
I just think about my own kids and being young teenagers, my older boys, and I'm just thinking.

Speaker 2 And then the younger ones with the speech problems.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 I was looking for wizards.

Speaker 1 It's like the idea

Speaker 1 of them, like Sean, we were over there watching the movie the other night with Archie. Like, can you imagine Archie? He's 15

Speaker 1 being on the road and working all the time. I think like, no, he wouldn't be able to.
He wouldn't be happy. He was what Selena's saying.

Speaker 1 It's tough, right? It's tough.

Speaker 3 No, it is. And the transition honestly happened around 25 where I didn't feel like I had to impress my parents more so.

Speaker 3 But my mom was also really cool because right after Disney, she put me in a movie called Spring Breakers. Like, she found that movie.
And it's,

Speaker 3 you know, very... racy

Speaker 2 right very but it was fun yeah and and it wasn't i mean i i you I'm sure your mom was not strategic with grabbing that, nor were you, but I'm sure that there was some thought put into it where this would sort of broaden the public's idea about that which you can do and that which is fitting of when they think about you.

Speaker 2 She can do this, she can do that.

Speaker 2 And or was it just a part of like, well, this is a little bit closer to who she's starting to become, not somebody who's.

Speaker 3 My mom was a huge Harmony Croin fan and she heard there was a script out and so she's she was interested in it and the character I play isn't as racy so I was like 19 when I did it and she just came up to me she goes this will make no sense and you're probably gonna think I'm crazy but just read this

Speaker 3 and I read it and I don't know I I gravitated towards the character and Then I met Harmony and I was like, oh, game over. He's just really cool.

Speaker 1 How did your mom have the sense to know good material from bad material or the register?

Speaker 3 She's really great at that stuff. You know, we, we, uh, she found the book 13 Reasons Why, which we turned into a TV show.

Speaker 3 So she randomly was at a bookstore and she was a young adult and found that and we developed it. She, she just has really nice taste, you know, and instincts, clearly.

Speaker 1 It's, yeah, she's really great.

Speaker 3 So I like to ask her advice on things.

Speaker 1 That's great. That's awesome.
Yeah. I love that you guys are so close.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, we can cut this apart too, but I am fascinated and thankful for how outspoken you are about mental health because I have somebody very, very close to me who I've had to deal with it and not deal with it, but just like help with it.

Speaker 1 And I was happy to help with it.

Speaker 1 But do you...

Speaker 2 Will, Will, you say thank you to him.

Speaker 1 You've never publicly thanked him, Will.

Speaker 1 No, I was going to say the same thing. All jokes aside, Jason, you dick.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, oh, no, JK.

Speaker 1 I was going to say,

Speaker 1 I like the way that you're so open and frank about that, about mental health. And I think that it's something that people

Speaker 1 luckily talk about more and more. But I think it's really refreshing to hear you talk about it in a way that's very just sort of matter of fact.
And I think it's really,

Speaker 1 I don't know, it shows real maturity. And

Speaker 1 I think it's very

Speaker 1 brave. And I think it helps so many people the way that you talk honestly in that way.
I really did. It struck me.
I think it's really remarkable. It is.
It's great.

Speaker 1 Because my mom, you know, died of Alzheimer's a long time ago. I forget when.

Speaker 1 And because I

Speaker 1 was so painful.

Speaker 1 Because it was so painful, I just, me and my sister and my family, we would, there's a point where you have to start making it funny. Yeah.
Because you've cried too much about it.

Speaker 1 So then you cut it with humor. And I have the funniest, you know, Alzheimer's stories like ever because I lived through it and it was so tragic that, you know, my mom,

Speaker 1 we can cut this too, but my mom would go to the bathroom, she'd go number two in the toilet, and I'd walk in there. I go, Mom, you have to flush the toilet.

Speaker 1 She goes, I don't know who did that, I don't know whose dad is.

Speaker 1 They came in here when I was here, they went to the bathroom. No, we cannot prove that that's mine,

Speaker 1 and we would laugh because you because it was past the point. So, my question is: have you

Speaker 1 me dealing with somebody with myself? No, I'd take a shit and forgotten. No, no, no, no.
Have you ever, no, have you ever like

Speaker 1 infused humor into the whole situation?

Speaker 3 Definitely.

Speaker 3 I also have a few friends that are, you know, in comedy and writers, and

Speaker 3 it's just fun, you know, and now me and my family are in a place where we can do that. And

Speaker 3 I don't mind saying the things that I'm walking through, and they can be fun and they can be messy, but I've always

Speaker 3 knowing more, I feel better.

Speaker 2 And it gives so many people, myself included,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 a little bit more comfort in the reality that I'm not, you know,

Speaker 2 I'm kind of broken upstairs. We all are.
There are as many mental variables in all of us as there are physical ones. You can see the physical ones.

Speaker 2 Someone's taller, someone's shorter, someone's thicker, someone's thinner, someone's got bigger feet, smaller feet. Like

Speaker 2 there are equal number of variables in the brain. And the fact that we've got

Speaker 2 medicine, therapeutics, an environment that is tolerant of all of those variables nowadays, as opposed to back when our parents were our age, is

Speaker 1 on top of that community, the idea that you're talking about it, it sheds a light and says you're not alone. There's somebody else.
And somebody else can relate to that and identify with it.

Speaker 1 Certainly, I know from my own life, and I can go,

Speaker 1 somebody else says, I have this, and I go, oh, and they talk about their experience, and I go, oh, you have this too.

Speaker 1 And then we can talk about it in a way that, and that kind of really breaks it wide open.

Speaker 3 It definitely. It connects you as well.
I mean, that's why I released my documentary.

Speaker 1 It's all based on mental health.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I haven't seen it.
I'm so, forgive me. I'm going to go ahead and do that.
No, I, it's a good question. No, pause right here.
We're going to watch it. No, no, I'm putting it on here.

Speaker 3 But it ends well. I just, I think that's why I did the documentary.

Speaker 3 I was terrified before it came out and I had already signed a contract and I was like, like damn I can't go back but that was a really big moment for me and then I had people coming up to me not saying like oh my god can I have a picture they would say I've dealt with depression or I've done this and then I end up having a connection with people yeah I love that sometimes with all my health stuff like I've had a kidney transplant I have high blood pressure

Speaker 3 I, gosh, I have mental,

Speaker 3 mental health and

Speaker 3 I don't even know. I'm sure I have other problems that I'm not aware of.
I love talking about you can think about like a situation and say, Why me, why me?

Speaker 3 And instead, it's given me the gift to say, Oh, I know why it's me. I'm there for those people that are going through what I went through.

Speaker 3 And I can say, I hear you and I see you, not just be in and say, My life's perfect. That I'm sorry, you know, it's like, Well, I can be honest with you.

Speaker 2 I'm a big believer that the person upstairs or whomever's upstairs for anybody doesn't give you anything more than what you can handle. Yes.

Speaker 2 And so the fact that you've been given all of these gifts, challenges,

Speaker 2 and that you're able to go through them so successfully in a public space such that you can give encouragement and support and

Speaker 2 to others is like, I mean, talk about using your years right.

Speaker 2 You know, we've talked about it on the show before about, you know, when you get to the end, you're going to, we're all going to look back and hope that we used our time correctly. Definitely.

Speaker 2 I mean, the first 30 years of your life have been incredibly accomplished spiritually, 20 lives, mentally,

Speaker 2 certainly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess the question really is now what? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you're fixing your brain. Better follow the world.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think

Speaker 3 I just, I, I gravitate towards things I connect to, and, um, and I'm all about authenticity. I can't really force myself to be anything other than who I am.
And it's just, you know, luckily worked.

Speaker 2 I'll bet your ability to recognize and attract those who are equally authentic is really keen too. You know, like I was just thinking, we were talking about the documentary, thinking about

Speaker 2 Alec Hashishian

Speaker 2 and his sister, Aline, we both work with. I mean,

Speaker 2 people like that, like you probably have a great team around you, great friends around you. Like all of us, as we get older, you have less and less friends, but that's usually by choice.

Speaker 2 Talk to us about your ability to kind of pick up on

Speaker 2 people's uniqueness and authenticity or lack thereof. Is that something you always had, or has it just gotten sharper?

Speaker 3 No, maybe it has gotten sharper, but ever since I was younger,

Speaker 3 I like to think I had good discernment with people.

Speaker 3 And I could just sense when I felt that it was being forced or that there was something they were wanting, or whatever. I just could feel that in a lot of people.
And I mean, obviously,

Speaker 3 I put some of those people in my life when I was younger, and then I, you know, later realized.

Speaker 3 But most of my friends, like I said, they're, I mean, they can go from being a writer to one of my friends is a real, one of my friends is a realtor. So, like, I kind of.

Speaker 1 Is that Richard Ehrlich?

Speaker 1 It's not Richard Ehrlich, is it? No.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, it's, it, it's, it's, it's like it's having people skills, right?

Speaker 2 And I wonder if you're like me, that's part of what has always attracted me to being an actor is because I'm just fascinated with people.

Speaker 2 And I really enjoy kind of reading people and seeing, is this a person, is this person a match for me or not?

Speaker 2 And I just wonder what that is.

Speaker 1 Also, it's just staying curious, right? Yeah. The moment you stop being curious, then you, like Jason just said, you become one of those dummies.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know. I love life and I love people and I find it really fun.

Speaker 2 Do you find that,

Speaker 2 which do you find is more cathartic for you, more sort of

Speaker 2 a lane to explore and enjoy parts of you? Is it with playing different characters or being a songwriter?

Speaker 3 I think it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 I wrote this ballad called Lose You to Love Me, and that was probably the most personal song I'd ever released about something that was on everyone's mind for some reason.

Speaker 3 And then in acting, I feel like

Speaker 3 I have these moments in my life that have happened and I'm able to use that. And it actually feels great.

Speaker 3 And it feels, you know, like after a good cry or something, it's like a good feeling. And

Speaker 1 is there something that you, I mean, this is going to be one of the dumbest questions you've ever gotten.

Speaker 1 Is there something with every single thing that you've done where you're just like, you know what, I've never done?

Speaker 1 I want to, I need to do that before. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't think I've even

Speaker 3 began like in a lot of areas. Like, I, I, not necessarily cosmetics and stuff, but like I've said many times with you guys, I think acting.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't think I've been able to even touch the surface of what I know that I'm capable of doing. And I'm very selective, or else I'd be in all of the movies that I get offered.

Speaker 3 And I just fight for my roles, and I'm always auditioning. So I like to earn it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good. That's great.

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Speaker 2 Something I've sort of really gotten more and more passionate about is

Speaker 2 not playing characters as much as just playing somebody that doesn't

Speaker 2 force me to to do a lot of acting and play a character I kind of like to be the audience and a lot of that comes from my desire to try to be as not full of shit as possible in my life and and not be fake and phony and pretending to be other people so I really like

Speaker 2 trying to be as authentic as I can. Do you have a similar sort of battle when you think about acting? Because

Speaker 2 you're so good about being really you and being in your skin and being honest it does that run counter to the whole thing that we try to do as actors kind of but i i just finished this movie uh this jacquard

Speaker 3 film and it's all in spanish and it's a musical and it was one of the most challenging things that i had done

Speaker 3 that's cool but it's it's really uh emelia perez um i think that will come out next year and it's so good if you just said none of your business

Speaker 3 um i'm excited for that because there's for example there's the scene where i'm being left i'm not giving anything away and i remember i channeled the moment when i had to go to um rehab for the first time and leaving and i i remember i i told my co-star that's what i was feeling in the moment and i just felt like it was getting that out when i remembered that first moment and being terrified and that's cool um so it felt really cathartic speaking of that, have you ever wanted to go to, you know what I'm going to ask, go to the Broadway or do live theater?

Speaker 1 And maybe you have.

Speaker 3 I haven't.

Speaker 3 I think I would like to. I'm not sure I'm there yet because I think I'd still be a little nervous.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 After touring. You've already been like a stage performer.

Speaker 3 No, but it's different because I love when I'm doing my concert because it's like, oh, these are my peeps, you know, and like you feel comfortable.

Speaker 1 You feel safer. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 Well, will you talk more about that? About

Speaker 2 battling? Because like I get very nervous when I have to speak publicly. Like I can't even give a toast.
Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he goes white through that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I have an enormous amount of confidence when it comes to other things that are going to be made for

Speaker 1 the public. Like a million camera.
Right.

Speaker 2 From millions of people as opposed to 10 people at a dinner table.

Speaker 2 So I don't understand that about myself, the difference between having a lot of confidence or zero confidence that are sort of similar things.

Speaker 1 Because, Jay, because you're so well spoken in life, just, I mean, clearly in life, that's why it blows my mind that anytime we're like a dinner party or like two, three years ago, we are at your birthday dinner party at Richard's house.

Speaker 1 And I said, let's go around the room and say how grateful, how much we love Jason. And I'll start.
And I got up. and I gave this little speech and it got to Jay.
And you were like, I'm out.

Speaker 1 I don't want any part of this.

Speaker 1 it's like

Speaker 2 but i yeah so how do you manage that like what is that switch that flicks for you when you can stand up in front of you know a hundred thousand people and give a concert or do a movie or a television show that's going to be for millions of people versus like maybe going out on a date for the first time or or or doing an interview for a magazine or whatever might give you anxiety.

Speaker 2 Do you know what that is, that different thing? Because I'm still trying to figure it out with myself.

Speaker 3 I think when I was younger,

Speaker 3 I had a very,

Speaker 3 very public life and it wasn't fair in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 That I got to the point so much so that I was like, if I don't talk about what's going on, everyone's going to continue to narrate my life and people are just going to buy it.

Speaker 3 And I need people to hear from me.

Speaker 3 And I genuinely stopped caring. Like, I don't, I don't care.
Like, I would be happy to stand up and speak very highly of someone. I'd be happy to do it.

Speaker 3 Even if I mess up, I'm like, all right, well, that sucked, but you know, I tried. Like, it's fine.
So I don't know if I'm just, I've done it for too long, that I just have lost a little bit of that.

Speaker 3 fear, but I still get the butterfly feeling.

Speaker 3 So maybe I just got used to it and then I'm kind of like, well, people are going to like it or not.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have a friend of mine,

Speaker 1 Maria Schreiber. She, you know, I've known her for years and years and decades.
And she,

Speaker 1 whenever I would have dinner at her house, she, she's the one who forced me to get up and talk like that. And it's so, I was littered, you know, sorry, I was riddled with fear about it.

Speaker 1 And, but she forced me to do it. She's like, we're going to go around and stand up and speak how you feel.
And I was like, pass. I'm going to the next.

Speaker 1 Were you so nervous because you would just littered? Is that what it was?

Speaker 1 I'm having a tough time following what happened. But Jay, Maria.

Speaker 2 But now that you're saying it, I think for me, it's like I'm afraid of being...

Speaker 2 of being accused or judged as either being an

Speaker 2 being full of shit or being stuck up.

Speaker 2 I had a real complex about being conceited and stuck up when I was in when I was in middle school.

Speaker 2 Like sixth to seventh grade was really hard for me in school because people, oh, here comes that guy on TV. He's stuck up.

Speaker 1 So I wasn't really,

Speaker 2 I was shy about being confident because people would think I was stuck up. So then I tried to seem not confident.
And then maybe that part of me kind of took hold of me.

Speaker 1 You know, but what's crazy about that, though, is think about it. That's inauthentic.
Yeah, exactly. If you think about it,

Speaker 1 you fell victim to the very thing that you were trying to prevent.

Speaker 1 I mean that honestly. And when you're thinking about it that much,

Speaker 1 you put a space between you and people you're trying to connect with, Jay. I really mean it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 if you can break that down and react in real time, then it will never be inauthentic.

Speaker 1 But the second you start thinking about you're trying to curate what other people think of you, that's inauthentic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because that makes me so nervous because I'm having to manage two things at the very same time.

Speaker 1 Right, right. Because you're true.
Because you're taking care of their feelings before yours.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're never going to be able to,

Speaker 1 I remember somebody saying once, you can't tell everybody how to treat you or how to look at you. There's nothing you can do about the way people think about you.
All you have to do is

Speaker 1 there's that. And also, like, you'll never, you'll never get it.
Selena, one second. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it's okay.

Speaker 3 I'm enjoying this.

Speaker 1 I like this conversation. But really, just really quick, it's the same thing that I've carried around for so long being gay is like.
I've constantly, my entire life, I just came out.

Speaker 1 In my entire life,

Speaker 1 I've been, I spent taking care of other people's feelings and putting mine second. And then you have to reach a point where Selena is saying, We're like, I can't, I'm exhausted.

Speaker 1 But why did you do that for being gay?

Speaker 1 With regards to you being gay, is that what you mean? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, if I enter a room, even today, I still have a little bit left over, but for the most part, I don't care. It's like, I have to check, like, I'm so used to it.

Speaker 1 It's in my blood now to check how people think about me entering a room. Are they thinking about my

Speaker 1 being gay or not?

Speaker 3 I used to do this when i was younger i remember i was doing an interview and i sat down and there was probably 14 people behind the camera and i was i think i was maybe 21 and i started to sweat and i like ran away and i started crying because this is what i was thinking i was like These people probably think I sound stupid.

Speaker 3 They're going to go home and tell their partners or friends about how much of an idiot I am and I feel like a horrible like

Speaker 3 interviewer. I just it it used to kill me.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 2 yeah, I've had that and I couldn't and I couldn't I was stuck there and it just becomes exponentially more horrific and terrifying because you now you're convinced now they can see that I'm having a panic attack now.

Speaker 2 It gets even worse and it's like oh yeah,

Speaker 1 and so we have that too, huh? I mean, I still fall back into it, but I've, you know, here and there. But for the most part, I'm like, I really mean this.

Speaker 1 I'm sure there'll be a lot of listeners like, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 I really, this is new to me. I don't understand it in that way.
I just, everybody's wired differently.

Speaker 2 It's a form of parenting.

Speaker 1 You know, like, when I, like, when I got this,

Speaker 1 you know, when I got this, and I was so

Speaker 1 listening, he's holding up in a war.

Speaker 2 He was sort of

Speaker 2 just plain white

Speaker 1 faceless body. And I thought, fucking thank you to everybody.

Speaker 2 But I feel like the older I get, the closer I get to our favorite term, sexy indifference, or rather, better, better said, a healthy indifference, where you do care what people think, but you're not obsessed by it and you're not pulled around.

Speaker 1 I will challenge you on that because we're doing it right now today.

Speaker 1 That is also put on. It's not real.
Because if you have to think about the sexy indifference, then it's not organic. Right.

Speaker 2 No, no, I'm saying, I'm trying to get to that place of honest and healthy indifference where it's just right sized, you know, where you do care about people. You know, like you don't want to be rude.

Speaker 2 You want to be sensitive to people.

Speaker 1 You just want to see the

Speaker 1 freedom. The freedom is when you don't even have to recognize that you do have indifference, that you're just living.
That's the freedom.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, you're shackled by the idea of it. It still lives there as an idea.

Speaker 2 But it's also what we do for a living, right? It's part of our job to be aware of what people think and kind of manipulate that. And like, that's, we're professional liars, you know?

Speaker 2 And it's, so it's, it was a little bit of a head screw for me, obviously still is when I was a kid. When you're trying to figure out who you're, who you are and who you're becoming,

Speaker 2 you're training yourself how to fake to be somebody else. It was, it's kind of a little bit of a blender.

Speaker 1 It's very difficult. Do you still think about that, Selena?

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I remember I was talking about, I was talking about this with someone, and there was a study that said.

Speaker 3 The moment you get famous at a certain age, you end up stuck in that area for a while because it stunts your yes because it stunts every you're you're dealing with things that no child should be dealing with and criticizing my body or something weird like it just it felt oh just it doesn't feel good you can't grow privately like like most people do you know yeah so i mean i don't regret my life but there's a huge part of me that's like

Speaker 2 yeah i wonder what that would have been like to just be me for a second so but this I'm I'm assuming that you know you've got millions literally millions of people that that admire you more than any of us could probably imagine

Speaker 2 Because of how brave you are with how honest you are

Speaker 2 And that is not going to go away. Thank God.
I mean, you're you're you're you're a role model whether you like it or not

Speaker 3 until I run away from everything.

Speaker 2 No, no, you're not going to go wherever you go. You're going going to be there.

Speaker 1 No, don't take away her out until you run away. If you want to.
I run away.

Speaker 1 I now get it, though, Jay. I want to say, because you just mentioned that.

Speaker 1 I want to say that I now get it when I sort of earlier, flippantly, when we first started talking about how many millions of followers you have. I now understand.

Speaker 1 I get it now.

Speaker 1 Your relationship with

Speaker 1 that number, with those numbers of people is tricky.

Speaker 1 And I sort of have a little bit more of an understanding. I really mean that.
Maybe I'm a slow learner.

Speaker 3 No, no, it's it's intent.

Speaker 3 It's weird.

Speaker 3 It's such a bizarre thing. And they give you way too much information.
Like they'll tell you how many accounts you had reached and they'll tell you the percentages of women versus male or

Speaker 3 botany, whatever it is. It's like, I don't need this information.
I just want to post a photo and let it be for my fans and move on.

Speaker 2 And they are definitely attracted to all the things that are very special about you and not to take away from any of that, but I think it is also very indicative of how common it is for people around the world to be not perfect.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, and I think they really are

Speaker 2 comforted by how you are so honest about how not perfect you are. And I think that's just a real gift that you give to people and myself included.
I thank you for that. Thanks.

Speaker 2 I I cannot believe we're already past an hour.

Speaker 1 This has been literally the fastest interview.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm stunned.

Speaker 1 I've been in an hour right now, but it is pretty crazy. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 I'm like, guys, it's so hard for us.

Speaker 2 I want to let you go, but I know we have probably a couple of more questions.

Speaker 1 Sean, go. Yes, no, I just want to know only murderers.
I love the show. I love you in it.
I love Stephen Marty.

Speaker 1 How did it come about? What was it like when you started? Did you just love murderers? Was that how you got into it? It was just murders.

Speaker 3 To be honest, yes. And I like very dark documentaries sometimes.
So I tend to like lean into those, especially scary stuff like mentally.

Speaker 1 And John Hoffman is one of my very,

Speaker 3 but no, it actually happened because, well, Steve's original idea was that it was going to be three men. And then John Hoffman suggested that

Speaker 3 they hired, yes, who created the show.

Speaker 3 He said, I think it would be really cool if we added like a younger character, maybe a female. And Steve liked the idea.
And I guess this was really a gift because they had me in mind. And

Speaker 3 I remember thinking, I'm like, okay, well,

Speaker 3 what does this mean? And then I had FaceTime with all of them, with Steve, Marty, and John.

Speaker 3 producers and I was like, oh, I just have to do this because simply the people are amazing.

Speaker 1 And then the success of it after.

Speaker 3 That's a good hang yeah and then the success after was just such a like surprise and we just were happy to do it

Speaker 1 only murders in the building never manslaughters no never manslaughters never manslaughters

Speaker 1 yeah okay i'm i'm allowed to ask yes you are

Speaker 2 and that is in its fourth year or fifth year coming up on the show we just got renewed for season four season yeah

Speaker 1 and i may we may have to cut this but uh john i asked john i was like how how many more seasons And he goes, well, I asked Steve and Steve said forever.

Speaker 3 I know, he does. My favorite thing about Steve, and he knows that I've said this before, but my favorite thing is Steve will be like, I've got to get, I got to get home.
I got to get home.

Speaker 3 I got to go.

Speaker 1 I'm too old for this.

Speaker 3 And then I'll be like, then I'll be like, well, I go, Steve, like, how many seasons? He's like, oh, I don't want to stop. We're going to keep going.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 he's just. You got to get home.

Speaker 3 Exactly, but you need to be home. So

Speaker 3 sometimes I'll be like, I'll carry the load because I can't.

Speaker 2 It is the greatest trio, but as been said before, one of the oddest trios ever.

Speaker 1 And it's so awesome.

Speaker 1 It's awesome. It's infectious.

Speaker 1 Awesome. Yeah.
It's great. Thank you.
Well, Selena, this has been great. Thank you, honey.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 I just wanted to tell you, Jason, really quick.

Speaker 3 I am going to send your wife, Amanda, and your girls some of my new collection from Rare Beauty

Speaker 3 and like a whole little box because I would would love to see, you know, what they thought. Or I love that.

Speaker 2 They're enormous fans of yours, as is Amanda, my wife.

Speaker 3 Yay, so I can, I want to send you that because this is going to be, this is going to be one of the biggest collections that I've released, and I'm beyond stoked for it.

Speaker 3 I know it's little things like that that make me happy because

Speaker 2 it's not a little thing, it's really impressive what you've done with this.

Speaker 2 This company is potentially, if it's not already, bigger than anything you've done in music or in film or television

Speaker 2 or in social media. I mean, it's an enormous company.
And you

Speaker 1 should be proud of that.

Speaker 3 We have good products and we also just try not to be everything.

Speaker 3 else you know like i i'm not huge on promoting like crazy you know makeup i love makeup but i i want my line to represent yourself and to have fun with it and it seems very consistent with you and what you represent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, might I say, your skin is flawless. Oh my goodness.
Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 She takes off her glasses. She goes cross-eyed.

Speaker 1 She did a Richard Ehrlich.

Speaker 1 What did I say? It's where.

Speaker 2 Say he's a little bit confused. And then that kid, look at that beautiful.

Speaker 1 Let her say it's where. Say it.
Ready? And

Speaker 1 where?

Speaker 1 I swear.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. That's good.
That's really good. You look just like Richard Ehrlich.
Great.

Speaker 2 Selena, you're the greatest. Thank you so much for doing this.

Speaker 2 This was a big, big get for us.

Speaker 1 It's so awesome to find the show.

Speaker 3 I am so happy, and hopefully, I'll get to meet you all in person. I'm sure I'll run into you, Jason.
And I'm just, I'm a big fan of all of you, and I've really been wanting to do this for a while.

Speaker 3 I'm sure you know, Jason. So

Speaker 1 this has been really great.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 for doing it. Thank you for you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Have a great, great rest of the day. And thanks for talking with us.

Speaker 1 All right. Bye, guys.

Speaker 2 Bye, Selena. Thank you.

Speaker 2 You see, now, guys, there's a nice person.

Speaker 2 You guys have asked me multiple times.

Speaker 2 You say to me, you say, Jason, how do I get, how can I become nice? I can become nicer, you know, and be pleasant.

Speaker 1 Have success, right? Isn't that your theory? Have success. Well, but then after that,

Speaker 1 try to be

Speaker 2 somebody is

Speaker 2 kind and as gentle, as loving as you know.

Speaker 1 Okay. What is that? Will's holding up a fake award.

Speaker 1 This is my dressing room. I don't know.
It's just something like, and it looks like an award.

Speaker 1 It looks like an Oscar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's really terrific.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, she's what did you both? Did you learn anything, you guys?

Speaker 1 I did. I feel like I'm lazy.
Yeah. I lazy.
I think I'm lazy. Well, A, lazy, because she's just so, it seems like everything she does, she's successful at.

Speaker 1 Even mental health. Right.
She's successful at that outright.

Speaker 2 Because she's not running from it. She's going right through it.

Speaker 1 It's pretty remarkable. And

Speaker 1 she's so, she's such an talk about, we were talking, you know, authenticity was a central theme today's, and she's so authentic. Yeah, she's like a superhero.

Speaker 1 She really doesn't, like she said, she doesn't, she just does what she loves to do. Everybody's welcome to come or don't come.

Speaker 1 And you know, it's funny. I was going to say, she said that she didn't care, but it's almost like she, it's not that she doesn't care.

Speaker 1 It feels like she just, what she cares about is just being herself and being

Speaker 2 turned that care internal.

Speaker 2 She's taking care of number one um which for me always lets me be a better person to the people around me um sometimes i i over-index in the selfishness but um i'm trying to get the right balance yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1 sorry no

Speaker 1 still rolling let's get one more of those will a little more convincing oh no jason i was by the way i held up on so many because it was such such a so many things i wanted to throw in and i didn't because it was just out of respect.

Speaker 2 Oh, so you've got some unused jokes you'd like to workshop really quickly?

Speaker 1 I mean, no, no, no, no. There's one at the end, certainly, that I wanted to make.
Yeah, listen. What you said, don't worry, I'll carry the load, Steve.
And I was like, Sean, how many times? Okay, so

Speaker 1 do you want to know? It's Steve, right? It's Steve, right?

Speaker 1 Do you want to know, though? I speaking about Archie, your son, you know, one time.

Speaker 1 No, no, this is outside. Um, once I had a wizard uh crawl up my pants,

Speaker 1 Did you really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Truly.

Speaker 1 Truly a lizard. Wizard.

Speaker 2 And how high did it get up before it pulled a quick 180 and said, no, thank you.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 That's such a funny thing, wizard. You could use it for so many things.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know what? Okay.

Speaker 1 So part of my part of my, what's it called? The gay tray that Jason called it? Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the gay tray. It's an Invisalign thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't know you had it in today.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I have it in every day, and then, but I can whiten my teeth.

Speaker 1 But my dentist three days ago said you carry some teeth whitening stuff you can put in the Invisalign trays, but you don't have to put them in the back where the

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