"Keri Russell"

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Speaker 2 Hello, listener. We're in the middle of a

Speaker 2 songwriting operation here

Speaker 2 with Sean P. Hayes.

Speaker 1 Okay, here it goes like this.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 We are three guys talking today. Hey, hey.
We, one of us, just might be gay. Hey, hey.
There's just two guys. Can I just stop?

Speaker 1 Wait, can I just

Speaker 1 be gay? Yeah, because nobody knows which one of the three of us is. You think that nobody knows which one of the three of us is?

Speaker 2 No, one of us is definitely gay.

Speaker 1 Can you work that okay? Everybody knows. five six seven

Speaker 1 we are three guys talking today uh-huh one of us is definitely gay hey hey

Speaker 1 welcome to smartlist smart

Speaker 1 less

Speaker 1 smart

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Speaker 2 so sean you're still in new york city yeah I am.

Speaker 2 Would you ever consider living there full-time?

Speaker 1 It's funny you say that.

Speaker 1 No, because

Speaker 1 Scotty and I had a long conversation about it.

Speaker 1 Can we have the short version? Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 this is what

Speaker 2 this is the rhythm of the question in the world.

Speaker 1 Walkes through

Speaker 1 sitting in a chair. Scotty brings a couple Pop-Tarts.
He puts them in front of you. He says, Sean, I want to talk to you about something.
Yes, right. No,

Speaker 1 for the first time ever, I've been kind of getting used to it. Like, I understand,

Speaker 1 because I associate the city with work and work only. Right.
And because I've had some extra downtime, I was like, oh, I finally got it. Like, I never walked through Central Park.

Speaker 1 I walked through Central Park all the time now. I was like, God, this place is huge and it's beautiful.
By the way, you know what I do when I walk? I started walking in Central Park at dusk, you know?

Speaker 1 And what I do is I flex my lats and hold my head up really high because I'm scared somebody's, you know, to make myself appear bigger than I am.

Speaker 2 You know, I think the lats will do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, because you think your lats are scared.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like a cobra.

Speaker 2 You know, you flare out the back.

Speaker 1 That's right. That's exactly right.
You make yourself seem bigger. Hey, I'm going to fuck here.
We got one right here. We got a live one right here.
Oh, fuck. Are you crazy?

Speaker 1 Look at the lats on this guy. Look at the fucking, like a bat wave.
Stand over. Abort.
Abort.

Speaker 2 The great Will Speck knows how to flare out the whole back batwave.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I do, though.
I get scared one of them. Quick question.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The blanket that's draped over the chair behind you. who did it? I did it.
You did that.

Speaker 2 You fold it and then you drape it.

Speaker 1 Yep. And you did the drape.
And it's nice. Yeah.
Do you know?

Speaker 1 You're not a pillow karate chopper. Yeah.
Thanks. Sorry, JB.
Yeah, you're not a karate chopper. I'm a Scotty, probably a little bit more than me, yeah.
I don't care about that as much.

Speaker 2 But a little bit more. So you're saying you're both going around chopping pillows.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not a euphemism.

Speaker 2 Well, this is, listen, but you know, Sean and Scotty have nice things.

Speaker 2 Look at behind him there.

Speaker 1 We've got sponsors.

Speaker 2 We've got stuff

Speaker 2 on the bookshelves other than books.

Speaker 1 JB, have you been to their apartment in New York? No, never invited. That's terrific.
Oh, that's great. I invited you.
I asked you guys.

Speaker 1 You had to work, but I said you and Franny come over when Franny was in. Just the ones.
Have you been in New York recently at all, JB? Yeah,

Speaker 1 since January. Yeah, since January.
Okay. Oh, my God.
Please come over. Andy.
No, no, no, no, no. Why start now?

Speaker 2 Will, you've been there a couple of times. After you guys got back from Istanbul, did you go through there?

Speaker 1 I keep a few things there just because I'm there so much. Do you really? No, I don't, you fucking demo.

Speaker 2 Hey, wait, Sean, what'd you just pull up in frame there? Is that

Speaker 2 they're talking about with scotch? Is it apple juice?

Speaker 1 This is apple juice.

Speaker 1 It's so good, right? With a lot of ice. Apple juice with ice? Yes.

Speaker 2 Do you have a real...

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'll bet you a half a dozen max of our listeners know someone that drinks a glass of milk or three every day and apple juice on ice. That's right.
I mean, you are, you are absolutely, you are Mr.

Speaker 2 Americana.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got it. Not just that.
It's like, it's like 1973. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have Pop-Tarts too. No, we know.
And slippers.

Speaker 1 And then you have a, you guys have a... I got JB.
I got JB a pair of these. Yes, you did.

Speaker 2 Wait, we've got a guest waiting.

Speaker 1 You know what, Sean, we do have a guest. I do want to say this, Sean, you were the first person, and now I do it.

Speaker 1 This is years ago, and he's wearing slippers, and I go, hey, man, are you wearing slippers at dinner no way and he goes and he wore them out and i kind of went like i guess it's okay to wear slippers out i've never done that because i'm just going to my house to go sit down and eat and then go back to my house right you know what i mean sweatpants are is the universal sign for when you've hit fuck it right when you're wearing sweatpants outside but well jb we live in an era now though where everybody you know they call it athleisure to try to dress it up so and it's a huge obviously it's a huge industry athleisure it's a huge corner stop saying that well i've never heard it before Yeah, so when you see people out during the day and you're at the fucking Beverly Center and they're wearing stretchy pants and a stretch up and you're like,

Speaker 1 are we in a workout class together? And they're like, no, I just walk around the world like this. Right.
But it's uncomfortable. I know.
No, I know it's comfortable.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 so are my fucking pajamas. But like, what am I doing? Yeah.
Well, we're naked.

Speaker 1 We're not naked. Yeah.
We're not at your house, man. Yeah.
We're not all.

Speaker 1 I could never do it, but I get like, I don't like jeans or pants that are super tight, you know, that they're constricting.

Speaker 1 Sure, I could go anywhere. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 I get wanting to wear athletes.

Speaker 2 This is the humble bread saying he needs a lot more room in there than that.

Speaker 1 I just think that the whole, I think that there's an entire segment of our population that has hit fucking.

Speaker 1 It's not even fucking that they think that it's appropriate to like, by the way, you know, I wear shorts out sometimes and a t-shirt, but I'm not like, don't say it.

Speaker 1 Jason, how much longer do you have to go on the show? Two weeks. Oh, that's it.
Can you believe it? And then it's all coming on. Now, is it beard and hair at the same time?

Speaker 2 Yeah, over the course of two or three days. Yeah, because we've got to do the.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see you clean shaven and clean. I know.

Speaker 2 I'm going to look so weird.

Speaker 1 Will you miss this look? I'll look old, probably, right? Yeah. Do you think I'll look older? Der.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry I'd say dir.

Speaker 1 Right. Because

Speaker 2 one.

Speaker 1 Our guest liked it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She seems like she's in a good mood.

Speaker 1 She's in a very good mood. You know what? Let's get to her.
She's so much fun because I want to hear what she has to say about your face and your beard coming off and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I'm really excited because I love having a good friend on here, especially like an old fan friend, somebody who likes to laugh and have a good time. Mix it up.
Do we all know her?

Speaker 1 Do we all know her? Somebody, I don't know how well you two guys know her. She and I have been friends for a number of years, and I'll tell you why because you'll guess once I say why.
But she is,

Speaker 1 and I don't like it. You know, there's this thing now where people say in the world all the time, oh my God, you're my favorite human.

Speaker 1 That expression drives me crazy. Yeah, that's it's almost it's almost up there with wearing fucking uh stretch pants.

Speaker 2 Like there are dogs that outrank you, but as far as humans go,

Speaker 1 people use that. You're my favorite human.
Just say person, you're one of my favorite people. You don't need to say human.

Speaker 1 But anyway, she is one of my favorite humans. Human.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to use it.

Speaker 1 I'm breaking my own rule because I'm a hypocrite through and through and she's just such a wonderful person she's so fun to to laugh with and talk to she's super smart super cool but then when you look at so I want to say that I love her as a person and I also love and respect her as an artist as a performer she's so amazing i mean we she's been nominated for umpteen uh emmy awards and she's won golden globes and critics choice awards for lots of different stuff you might remember her from

Speaker 1 the Mickey Mouse Club.

Speaker 1 You might know her from Honey, I Blew Up the Kid. She was nominated for a Young Artist Award for that.
She's going to kill me.

Speaker 1 You might remember her from a lot of different things. You might remember her from her two episodes of Roar that she did with Heath Ledger back in the day, but you're definitely going to remember her.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Hand on Buzzer.

Speaker 2 Hand on Buzzer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're definitely going to remember her from her show, which is going to a second season soon, The diplomat. You also know her from the Americans.
You know her from Felicity.

Speaker 1 You guys is my friend Carolyn Russell.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Shaw. Oh, my God.
Sean,

Speaker 1 did you say Markdale? Margot Martindale. Margot Martale.

Speaker 1 Who is equally as great? Shaw looks as Carrie. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Hi. Hello, Carrie.
Hello, Carrie. Oh, my God.
It's so good to see you.

Speaker 1 Margo Martin.

Speaker 1 Carolyn Russell.

Speaker 3 Margot Martindale would be my favorite guest.

Speaker 1 Margo was busy, so we got Carrie.

Speaker 1 Understood. Understood.
I get it.

Speaker 1 And I didn't even want to mention, and I couldn't mention Matthew because if I say, once I say Matthew, then

Speaker 1 they kick us up. So I had to work backwards, and I know you're going to kill me.
You're not going to kill me for the Mickey Mouse Club.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 1 You were on the Mickey Mouse Club? Were you on when

Speaker 1 Britney Spears and all those?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. No, wait, with them, you were on, all of you were on the same thing.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Crazy. Ask me anything.

Speaker 3 This is, I mean, i that is gold that is pure gold carrie hi first of all hi carrie hi so nice to see you it is so nice to see you so nice to see all of you and you are you home i just got home i've been i've been filming in london and i just got home just a few days ago so i'm home getting kids ready for school my teenagers helped me set this all this stuff up oh they did yeah yeah Are you good at, are you good at adjusting time,

Speaker 1 different time zones? Are you like still on jet lag?

Speaker 3 I'm jet lag, but I really love the early morning. So even though I'm still getting up at four, it's like such a quiet time in my house.

Speaker 3 So I don't, I love just like pitter-pottering.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna tell you something about Carrie. And Jason, you're gonna appreciate this.
And Sean goes to your question, which is, she's so disciplined. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 She can just like kind of do anything. She's like, what's the, what, what's the task? Okay, so I'll do this.
So I'll get up early and I'll do the thing. Like, she just does.

Speaker 2 Are you a Capricorn, Carrie?

Speaker 1 I'm not. What are you?

Speaker 3 I'm an Aries.

Speaker 2 I I don't know.

Speaker 2 That's the end of me. All I know is about my own sign.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 And you're well.

Speaker 2 My wife can come in here and break you down. My wife would ask you, you're rising and your moon.

Speaker 3 I don't know any of that. But I'm into it, but I don't know any of the.

Speaker 1 Wait, Carrie, do you remember that one time? This is like decades ago. You know what I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 You were with an acting coach and you came out and I was going in. And that's when we first met.
This is like 25, 30 years, like a super long time ago.

Speaker 3 Which acting coach?

Speaker 1 I don't remember. But it was, it was her house.
It was this acting coach's house and it was like a back, it was like a, it was like a guest house in the back.

Speaker 1 It was you were coming out and I was going in. I was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Careful.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of people listen to this.

Speaker 3 It was that, well, she's, no, she's not, she's like a really intense teacher. That she did like al Pacino and stuff like that, right?

Speaker 1 Maybe. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Like, and it was behind in her house, like not Venice, but like kind of adjacent Venice, right?

Speaker 1 Sean, you don't remember her name either. I don't.
Sean, do you wish some of those classes had stuck? Like do you wish some of the...

Speaker 1 I fucking wish some of them. That would have been so fun if some of that had worked.

Speaker 1 For you, I mean. Sean, I wish some of those classes would have stuck.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Sean.

Speaker 2 So for me, what type of stuff, like, would you go in there with a specific set of sides for an audition that's coming up?

Speaker 1 I can work on it for sure. Or I got a monologue.
I need a funny monologue and a dramatic monologue. Right.
Carrie, do you remember what you were doing it for? Were you a prodition?

Speaker 3 I had no idea. Maybe a movie or something that I don't know.
I mean, I did like once or twice, probably

Speaker 1 this is right after Felicity.

Speaker 3 Oh, so it was probably like just once or twice because a friend of mine was going.

Speaker 1 Anyway.

Speaker 2 So yeah. Now,

Speaker 2 what about, what, you know, Will is threatening to move to, I can't keep up. It's either, it's either, it's usually England.

Speaker 2 I think now it's Portugal, but he's, he's, but he would like to live in in England, I think. As would I, I think.

Speaker 2 Where did coming back from there leave you? I mean, would you go back?

Speaker 3 So I've spent the past three summers filming there, which I know is

Speaker 3 a little bit of a unique existence. Like you have a nice place to live, you know, you're working, you have a job.

Speaker 3 So there are a lot of things that are extra nice. You know, it's not like you're.

Speaker 3 But it is. London in the summer is a delight.
I mean, it is so like breathtakingly beautiful.

Speaker 3 I tend to live north and like by the heath, and I wake up early morning and I walk in.

Speaker 1 The Oxford Heath is such a great area to live in. It is magic.

Speaker 3 It is so magic.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I've loved it. I've really, really loved it.
And actually,

Speaker 1 I don't think, well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't think I'm telling tales out of school, but my last week there, we had this.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I'm on the show called The Diplomat, and it's about

Speaker 3 the ambassador in

Speaker 3 London.

Speaker 3 I'm friends with the real one, Ambassador Jane Hartley, who's just

Speaker 3 amazing and smart and cool. And the last week, she said, we were like, let's go to dinner before I leave.
And so we went to the River Cafe and

Speaker 3 that great actor,

Speaker 3 fuck, what's his name? On the Bear, who plays the cousin, Eben. Yeah.
Eben joined us and we just had this, like, it was just such a fun, raucous dinner. And Rufus Sewell, who's on my show, too.

Speaker 3 And, um,

Speaker 1 and it's just full of

Speaker 3 everyone who was everyone was at this restaurant that night. It was like one of those magic, wild moments.
And I, so I love London.

Speaker 2 Could you see yourself living there full-time like it would your whole family?

Speaker 3 Well, I don't know because I wonder if it's, you know, I love coming back here to, like, you know, fall in New York is so good.

Speaker 1 And I ride here. Are you in New York now? But if you, she's in New York.
You lived in Brooklyn. She lives in Brooklyn.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not same. Sean.
You live at Zaybars.

Speaker 3 Where are you, Sean?

Speaker 3 Where are you living?

Speaker 1 He lives like at Zabar's. If you take a left at the plain bagels,

Speaker 1 you're uptown. But

Speaker 1 if you lived in London, I don't know if you could because, first of all, Matthew, as a Welshman, I mean, he'd get in too many fights. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but no, but he's not. He's at the pub.

Speaker 1 I know Matthew. He's at the pub, and then all of a sudden, before it's all over, he's in a fight with a bunch of Englishmen, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's definitely a rivalry, but he loves London, too. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 What about your teenagers? Have they done some time there?

Speaker 3 They have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what'd they think?

Speaker 3 They like it. I mean, but they've kind of, like you guys, probably, you know, they travel wherever we work.
So

Speaker 2 in the summer, they can be with you. Yeah.
And would they or would they be like, because I, you know, I've got a 12-year-old and a 17-year-old and they just.

Speaker 3 Oh, I have exactly the same. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Plus an eight-year-old. Yeah.
Yeah. Lucky you.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 But they're like, you know,

Speaker 2 they've got their lives, you know, and they got their friends and they got their places they like to go. And it's like, well, great.
I'll see you when you get back, mom.

Speaker 1 Oh, definitely.

Speaker 2 Right? It's hard to get them away, nor do you really want to disrupt them.

Speaker 1 Jason, kids' names, real quick.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Both are girls. Both are girls for a while.
Fun game. This is a fun game.

Speaker 1 But wait, wait, by the way, Jason and Sean, have you guys, have you guys spent any time up in, like near Hampstead Heath, like up in that area? No, no.

Speaker 1 I love London, but nothing.

Speaker 1 It would blow your mind. It would shift everything everything you think about living in London.
What's it called? Hampstead. Because it's like, it's like...

Speaker 1 I'm going to look it up. It's like a massive, I want to say park.
It's kind of doing it a disservice by calling it a park. But in effect, it is that.
It's super good.

Speaker 1 And it's got a bunch of little lakes in it and stuff where you can swim.

Speaker 1 It's wild. It's wild.
It's like a wild park. It's incredible.
Could you, Carrie? Could you live there or no? You're happy. I really love it.

Speaker 3 I really love it. But I have to say, you know, we shot there

Speaker 3 when the strike happened, we had to make up for things. So we shot there over the winter.
And it's different in the winter.

Speaker 3 You know, it's, it's, because New York in the winter, it's even if it's snowing or it's freezing, it can be sunny and you, it's bracing and you can still ride a bike or rain.

Speaker 1 It's raining all winter.

Speaker 3 But it's raining every day. And rain all day is different than cold.

Speaker 1 And cold, right? That kind of cold that gets into your bone. Even as a Canadian, I'm like, fuck, I'm freezing.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I do love it. And it's so lush and it's so green.
And the people, there's a real, I don't know, it's, it does have a different culture than we have, but it was just a different.

Speaker 1 Where did you start?

Speaker 2 Where did you grow up?

Speaker 3 I moved around a lot.

Speaker 3 So I was born in California, but then I...

Speaker 2 The law kept catching you.

Speaker 3 Then I, yeah. Then I grew up, I spent 13 years in Arizona and then Colorado.
And then my parents moved to Texas. So I moved, I moved around.

Speaker 1 Where was the first place you said?

Speaker 2 Arizona. California.

Speaker 1 California, then Arizona, then Colorado.

Speaker 1 So are you getting an email coming in? Are you distracted? What's going on? She said it like a second ago.

Speaker 1 Wait, so Carrie, so you grew up, and so, and I knew that about, I always think of you, I always associate you with Colorado. Um, because I think you were.
That was my high school, high school, yeah.

Speaker 3 And probably that I dated a hockey player for half a second from Colorado. That's probably what you remember.

Speaker 1 That's what I remember, too. You know, I remember all the hockey stuff.

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Speaker 1 How did it happen that you became part of the Mickey Mouse Club?

Speaker 3 Yeah. So I was a dancer in like with all my little dance friends in Colorado, you know, like pre-teen, teenage years.
And that was my sport and that's all I did.

Speaker 3 And a bunch of my friends went to like a giant casting call and we stood outside of like the Denver Convention Center with thousands of little kids and their moms or something.

Speaker 3 And we just stood in line. Some dude like said, hey, do you want to read a little script of a mermaid brushing her teeth with chocolate?

Speaker 1 And was he part of the audition or was this just at the back of a van?

Speaker 1 He just rolled the window down.

Speaker 3 I was willing to do it.

Speaker 1 And yeah.

Speaker 3 No, so

Speaker 3 and that's what I did.

Speaker 1 And they called me back. Wow.
I mean, that is really, first of all, that gives a lot of hope, I think, to people who are like, oh, should I bother going for that thing? Thousands of people.

Speaker 1 Well, you could end up being Kerry Russell. I mean, you can't be Carrie Russell.
Nobody else can be. But I mean, you've built an incredible life with really impressive credits.

Speaker 1 You've done amazing things. Was that audition something you wanted to do, or did your parents tell you about it?

Speaker 3 I wanted to, I mean, I don't think I knew what it really was. I just went with a bunch of my best friends, pals, who were, you know, going.
And they're like, let's go do this thing.

Speaker 3 And by the way, I can't sing. I had never really been an actor.
And so they said, do a little dance, like, do your, a skit and sing a little song.

Speaker 3 And all right, because I think they wanted friends too.

Speaker 1 Kids who weren't so

Speaker 1 waiting to hear. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Still waiting to hear.

Speaker 1 Her friends, her friends, like years later, it was like, she didn't even want to go.

Speaker 1 I was the one that wanted.

Speaker 1 I was the one.

Speaker 1 And she got it. Wait, I want to ask you something, Carrie, because it has to do with how Will introduced you, which is like, you do, when you just came on, you weren't Margot Martindale.

Speaker 1 When you came on. By the way, you haven't been Margot Martindale for a minute.

Speaker 1 By the way, I,

Speaker 3 and Will, I mean, there's no one better than Margot Martinale.

Speaker 1 And Sean,

Speaker 1 we adored her. She's the best.
I love Margot Martindale with all my heart. Me too.
Me too.

Speaker 1 But your energy and your work ethic, and you're like, you do have so much energy, even talking to you now and with the kids and working and traveling and getting up at five in the morning and working 14 hours.

Speaker 1 Like, where do you get that drive? Where do you get the energy? Youth. It's youth.
Youth. Methods.

Speaker 1 Because you do have to find it. You do have to find it.
Even though you're tired, you have to find it.

Speaker 3 Well, I think, well, number one, I don't work all the time. Like, I like long breaks and I spend a ton of time on my own.
I like to be alone a lot. I have amazing friends.

Speaker 3 I have a group of core friends that I love and we do stuff all the time. But other than that, I work.
I spend, I have a ton of downtime. So, for instance, the diplomat.

Speaker 3 I'm not going off to do tons of movies in between or

Speaker 3 on a Broadway show or something.

Speaker 3 That's my time to just be home and like wander and read books. And that's what keeps me sane.

Speaker 1 But it is a good question because, you know, so Carrie and I did this show with the great Mitch Hurwitz years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, called Running Wild, which was, and we had a lot of of fun. That's how we got to know each other.
And

Speaker 1 it was crazy. We were trying to make this thing happen.
And we were shooting just crazy hours out on Long Island. And

Speaker 1 Carrie, I remember we were legitimately, like the first couple of weeks, we were shooting like 16 hours a day trying to get these fucking, you know, get this thing off the ground.

Speaker 1 I remember Carrie like going either before work or after work to the gym and she had a little kid at home.

Speaker 1 She had like a three-year-old at home and doing all the things and had all this dialogue and doing all this stuff. And I was like, it was so

Speaker 1 impressive how hard, how dedicated she was to just, like, like I said, like she's just a doer in this way that JB. I can see the smile on JB's face.
He's just like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 3 Because you are as well. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 Because he's a machine.

Speaker 2 Sounds like you. It's like, it's either.

Speaker 2 Going and really trying to accomplish a ton or just total power down, being by yourself, just like staring at the wall, doing something really inane, and refilling the tank, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I just clean out closets. I listen to my little nerdy news podcasts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, nobody doesn't do that either.

Speaker 1 He goes, he watches TV and he locks the door and nobody's allowed to bother him. And you're probably not crumpy, but I will.

Speaker 1 Amanda serves his food under the

Speaker 1 things. Yeah, yeah.
And he's not interested in anything. But the question is,

Speaker 1 Carrie,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 you do the

Speaker 1 Disney stuff, and then that leads to what?

Speaker 1 How long? That's like three years, I want to say?

Speaker 3 A teenage years, yeah, a teenage years. And then

Speaker 3 this seriously is the truth. Like whenever the girls looked like they were having sex, they're like, get that one out of here.
And the boys stayed till they were like 25. They're like, that one.

Speaker 1 She's out.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 Yeah, seriously. She looks like a breeder.

Speaker 1 She looks like a breeder. Yeah.
Get her out.

Speaker 3 yeah um exactly yeah and but it was it was so fun i mean it was it was so cheesy looking back but it was so fun and all those did it lead to anything tangible like like did it uh or was it just a great thing to have on your resume and you just can started to do more sort of traditional auditions and yeah i mean from that like because you're under this old school like Disney contract, I had to do some movie, like the sequel, Honey, I Blew Up the Kid, which was a sequel to Honey.

Speaker 1 So so that was part of your deal for

Speaker 3 interesting you know it was like the old school system like we hired you under this umbrella so if you record an album if you make a movie like you are ours you know what it is we own you interesting yeah it was a little bit like that

Speaker 3 you know like the kids now like all those this American Idol Kids and whatever yeah yeah like or whatever all those new Disney shows are now Felicity was quite some time past that but that was also on ABC it was under the same umbrella that wasn't part of the same feel was it no that was wasn't um on ABC, it was once, thank you.

Speaker 3 WB.

Speaker 1 I remember because it was their big hit show, and they were a young network, and then all of a sudden they had a hit, like a legitimate hit. That was,

Speaker 1 and that's where you met the great, our friend, the great JJ Avers. That's right, yeah, and that was JJ's show.
And Matt Reed

Speaker 1 created, you guys made that network in a way kind of amazing. You legitimize them because it was a great show.

Speaker 1 JJ got heralded, you got heralded. I mean, everybody kind of went like, Carrie Russell,

Speaker 1 you exploded onto the scene. I remember.
You guys remember really.

Speaker 1 Every magazine. Everybody knew who Carrie Russell was, just like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that must have been, even though you'd been doing it for a while since you were a teenager, having that kind of thing happen must have been startling.

Speaker 2 I don't want to put words in your mouth. And at an age where it's pretty challenging, where things are challenging already at that age, right? Kind of like figuring out who you are.

Speaker 3 First of all, the reason the show was so good,

Speaker 3 what JJ and Matt did it was so it was so sweet it was like such a sweet little something of a show and it was their writing that was so good but yeah uh

Speaker 1 for

Speaker 3 luckily i mean i can't imagine the kids now with all of the social media yeah back then it was just occasional paparazzi weirdos you know um but yeah it i i am sort of a nervous person anyway around people i don't know so that only made that worse and i i that was hard.

Speaker 2 But people coming up to you on the street and stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, people were generally pretty nice to me, but I just think if you're an anxious person, it doesn't help like, yeah, having more people looking at you all the time.

Speaker 3 So I think that was something to sort of

Speaker 3 navigate a little bit.

Speaker 3 But then it all worked out because after that show ended, I took a big break and I didn't

Speaker 3 act anymore. I didn't think that's what I wanted to do anymore.

Speaker 1 Really? So was that a conscious decision? You were like, hang on a second. I need to.
Yeah. Yeah.
No way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And where did you think you were going to go?

Speaker 3 Well, I thought I was going to go back to or go to school because I hadn't gone to school.

Speaker 3 And because I graduated early from high school because I was on Mickey Mouse Club.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because when you're on the Mickey Mouse Club, like if you're a kid, you're tutored on set so you can finish as quickly as you can.

Speaker 3 And with Mr.

Speaker 1 Bateman. Yeah, we know about that.
Sometimes they have buses to do that too.

Speaker 2 And then, but, but, but so, God,

Speaker 2 most kids, me

Speaker 2 part of it, um, like as soon as the kid show is done, there's a panic, like, okay, what's the next show going to be?

Speaker 2 Like, what's what's my career going to be now that I'm kind of like almost an adult? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you're dying to get another job and get back into that television series cocoon, you know, the safety of employment. You were the opposite.

Speaker 2 You were like, not only do I not want to work, I don't even know know if I want to do this occupation anymore.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I,

Speaker 3 so doing that show, that was back in the old days when we would do 22 episodes.

Speaker 3 Now, you know, the nature of television tends to be like eight or 13 episodes, but we were still doing network 22 episodes.

Speaker 3 And especially back then, we were working because Matt Reeves was one of our first directors and set up the show. We were shooting at like film.
You know, we were shooting on film in the beginning.

Speaker 3 But really, yes, we were working.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we were working 18-hour days, you know, five days a week. So, my Friday as a 21-year-old would end about five in the morning, and then I would start again at five on Monday.
And

Speaker 3 I loved that job, and it was great. And I, I'm so thankful I'm still really close with a few of those people.
But in many ways, it was life-arresting. Like, I

Speaker 3 wanted to, you know, be with girlfriends and,

Speaker 3 you know, whatever, kiss boys, or, you know, like do simple, stupid things that I knew I was sort of missing. So when it ended,

Speaker 3 I had no time to spend any money or do any of that. So I took the money I had saved and rented this amazing apartment, one bedroom apartment in the village, which was really great still back then.

Speaker 3 And I had no furniture. I moved to New York with two giant boxes of books.
I got mattresses. I put them on the floor and I did all those things I wanted to do.

Speaker 3 I had two really great girlfriends there and we would go out dancing and get drunk and like walk home drunk in the snow and we would watch the bachelorette and eat shitty food and like talk.

Speaker 3 I mean it was, it was everything

Speaker 3 I wanted it to be. And I got to just fucking be a kid.
And

Speaker 3 I think that's what I wanted.

Speaker 2 And did you end up going to school?

Speaker 3 I didn't. So I thought that's what I was going to do.
And that's probably what I should have done. I still think about it.

Speaker 3 But I think I just sort of did it myself. Like I just read what I wanted to read about and

Speaker 3 took all that time off. I took, I think, a couple years and then just slowly started inching my way back in.
You know, I took a job where I wasn't the lead. I took, I was like a part of a family.

Speaker 3 And actually we shot in London with Mike Binder and I was just a part of these sisters. And Joan Allen was the lead.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 3 And I was like, was that the upside of anger? Yeah. And I was like, you know, she's cool and smart and classy.
And if I can watch her, if she's managing her life okay, you know, maybe it's possible.

Speaker 3 And, and she was. And so then I slowly

Speaker 1 stuck with it.

Speaker 2 What was, what was the other industry that you were thinking about maybe going into?

Speaker 1 Oh, God. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think I just wanted to learn. I think I wanted to just go to school.
I think I'm interested in every, I feel like I could do it lots of things. Right.
You know, I'm curious, you know,

Speaker 3 but I'm generally agreeable. You know, I'm curious about a lot.

Speaker 2 But you didn't like start one particular career that you were thinking, maybe I want to kind of go into it. And then like that was kind of like, yeah, it's not that great.

Speaker 2 And then you went back to acting? Like, did you?

Speaker 1 No, I didn't. Yes.

Speaker 2 You never really started anything. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't. You didn't get into like microplastics or anything.
That's a big industry, apparently. It's a growth.
It's everywhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a growth industry. Wait, Carrie, this is kind of to carry NJB because I'm always interested, curious about

Speaker 1 people who start performing when they're younger and are able to sustain it. When you were doing Mickey Mouse Club over JB, you were on various shows when you were a kid.
Were you cognizant of,

Speaker 1 and did people talk amongst you and your peers and your friends or your families, like, hey,

Speaker 1 how can we make the jump to adult actors? Yeah, how conscious were you?

Speaker 1 Like, how conscious were you that there's a sort of a bar there, that there's kind of, there's a separation between being a kid actor and then making it a life and a career?

Speaker 1 Would you, yeah, were you aware of that?

Speaker 3 I wasn't. Were you?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was scared shitless of that transition.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I thought no one's going to, you know,

Speaker 1 you're, you're a kid actor.

Speaker 2 So why would anybody want to see you do adult acting when you're an adult? Like, you got to start over. You know, there's not going to be an easy transition.
And it wasn't. There was, there was

Speaker 2 all through my 20s, it was just

Speaker 2 a barren waste waste field.

Speaker 1 And that's why you shaved your pubes till you were 22, right?

Speaker 1 And I and I did for different reasons. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Guys, I could still play young.

Speaker 1 Hey, it's me, JB.

Speaker 1 Check it out. I don't even have pube.

Speaker 1 Check it out. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 That is really funny.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 1 So, Gary, so you go, you do.

Speaker 3 Wait, Jason, wait, have you read,

Speaker 3 because I actually, speaking of the creepy kid actors, which, by the way,

Speaker 3 all kid actors, the whole thing is so creepy. But

Speaker 3 there's this amazing book that someone gave me, which I loved. Do you,

Speaker 3 are you familiar with Sarah Pauley at all?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Now she's a director, but you you know, kid actor. She wrote this book

Speaker 3 called Run Towards the Danger,

Speaker 3 which is a collection of stories, and it's sort of unraveling her time and kind of understanding what that was all like.

Speaker 1 And I thought it was great.

Speaker 3 And a lot of other things, but I do think it affects you and speaks probably to a little bit of what Will is saying, like what he's seeing as work ethic.

Speaker 3 But I just think when you're a kid actor, you know, you are, you have to show up.

Speaker 3 You're not allowed to have the flu. You're not allowed to, yeah.
You fucking show up and you do it and you, you know, you don't complain.

Speaker 2 You don't go. It's adult responsibility.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're adultified. So

Speaker 3 you are.

Speaker 1 JB taught me a lot of, I will, this is truly, and I've mentioned this a couple of times. Early on, we were doing arrested development in the first season.

Speaker 1 At one point, I was like, I got to the point, it didn't take long where I was like, hey, what the time time are you rapping today? Like, you know, I got in early in the day.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking, like, what time am I out of here? And Jason turns to me and goes, we got you for the whole day, right?

Speaker 1 And it really ended as funny and as funny as that was, the timing of it was perfect. His delivery was amazingly shitty and it was perfect and hilarious and it broke me.

Speaker 1 But also the truth of it was, yeah, man, you're here to do a thing and you got this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're doing the thing you wanted to do. And it really, honestly I never forgot it and it I carried it with me for the rest of my

Speaker 1 and to this day of my working career which is like I'm there to do the thing that I got to do not to get fucking get out and I feel equally pissed off when I feel like yeah I feel equally pissed off with people when they're like trying to get out and I'm like fuck you dude yeah yeah you said that's what you signed up for yeah

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Speaker 2 All right, back to the show.

Speaker 1 So, Carrie, about the

Speaker 1 anxiety thing, because I have a little bit of of that too. I'm much better at it, at dealing with it.
But how do you deal with it?

Speaker 1 Okay. I mean, sometimes these guys know it comes up quite often.
Yeah. But how do you deal with it? Like, do you have tools that you go, your go-to tools?

Speaker 3 I wake up in the morning and I do something immediately. You know, I do.
hopefully like something outside, even if it's cold, some kind of physical activity really helps me.

Speaker 3 Even if I'm, you know, sometimes it just overtakes and you were like, fuck it, here I am. You know what happened? What really helped me? One of the first times, this is absolutely true,

Speaker 3 right in the beginning of Felicity Times, before I had ever had to do any of that stuff, I had to go on a talk show. My first talk show was

Speaker 3 Rosie O'Donnell had a talk show back then.

Speaker 1 I think it was like a daytime talk show.

Speaker 3 I had never done anything like that. I kind of am a nervous person in that situation anyway.

Speaker 3 That's horror for me. And it's like, it's a lot of energy coming toward you in the stage and all the people and blah, blah.

Speaker 3 And I got back there and the stage manager is like, come over here, come over here.

Speaker 1 And I was like, uh-oh, uh-oh, it's overtaking me.

Speaker 3 Here it comes. And the stage manager must have told Rosie O'Donnell, who was so lovely, like she's nervous.
So she came back and was like, hey, are you nervous?

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, no, no.

Speaker 3 And so I went out. This is really absolutely true.
I went out. She was being completely nice.
But as I was answering questions, going, Yes, I'm from Colorado, blah, blah, a tear.

Speaker 3 And I watched the interview. I'm smiling, and I just gently wipe it away.
And I'm from Colorado, but I'm having a full like panic.

Speaker 3 I go back to the hotel, which was, you know, they flew you to New York and did the whole thing.

Speaker 3 And I locked myself in the bathroom, and I was just mortified that I had done such a bad job and was so embarrassed and

Speaker 3 beating up on myself. And my awesome friend Canadian friend Will Arnett would love

Speaker 3 we had gone out for drinks after or like maybe the next day and I remember Alana said I said oh my god I did such a bad job on this thing and

Speaker 3 you know I was so bad and she said you know who I just saw on David Letterman Kim Basinger was on David Letterman and she was so nervous and I remember I liked her so much because I thought I would be nervous on that thing too.

Speaker 1 It's very real.

Speaker 3 It made me like stop hating the nervousness about myself so much. And I went, I'm nervous.
Like, what are you going to fucking do?

Speaker 3 And people who are like so, no offense to everyone who's so funny and good, you know, because you guys are all so good at it.

Speaker 3 You guys are so good at it. But not everyone is so...
so good at all

Speaker 2 but the dirty little secret is that even even the the the the flashy sort of funny sort of i i don't seem very nervous person is petrified underneath they just have this flashy coping skill that is basically acting.

Speaker 1 They're just able to act twice, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You don't even know what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 Will, you are very easy, though, in front of people. You are very, and you are.

Speaker 2 He is, but he's so, he's a fucking mess inside.

Speaker 1 He is a mess.

Speaker 1 He is a mess.

Speaker 2 Right now, just like I am, a fucking disaster inside, and so is Sean.

Speaker 1 We're all, we're fucking nut jobs.

Speaker 2 We're all crazy.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 1 And you just figure out different ways to fake it and then and then you get comfortable with that and it kind of becomes a part of your personality too like all this little suit that i put on to kind of deal with it is also just kind of me too well i'll get real with you so so my my version um i through a lot of kind of work and exploration over the last few months uh this is totally honest is

Speaker 1 I first went away to boarding school when I was 12. You did? I didn't know that about that.

Speaker 1 Where did you go? I went to all boys up in Canada, and I went to All Boys Boarding School.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to give them the benefit of time.

Speaker 3 Okay, but like what area? Sorry, where is

Speaker 1 north of Toronto?

Speaker 3 Like up by Muskoka?

Speaker 1 Like up by Toronto? A couple, yeah, a little east of Muskoka. Okay, okay.
North of Peterborough, Ontario. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's them to come pick you up again, right? Yeah, but

Speaker 1 south of Fenland Falls. Oh, right.

Speaker 1 So you could just narrow it down, eh? Like right near Stony Lake, but I'm not going to say where, eh?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 there you are. So there I is, age 12.
And I think that one was. I just know that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And one of the things about that is when you're a young, when you're that young, I can't imagine my sending.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine? No, I can't. And it's seven when they go? Seven.
Well, my roommate first year,

Speaker 1 when I was seventh grade and I was 12, my first roommate, he had just come from England and he had been at boarding school since he was seven.

Speaker 1 So he'd been there for five years.

Speaker 3 I mean, I know it's a way of life, but can you imagine

Speaker 1 sending your kids to

Speaker 1 continue to kill you?

Speaker 1 And he was very, and by the way, he was a very sort of troubled kid, and I felt badly for him. But my point was at that age, and I don't know if it's dissimilar from

Speaker 1 being out on your own and working at that time.

Speaker 1 I learned how to cope with being, you know, with not having my mom and dad around and how to manage, certainly in a situation with other, basically other boys my age.

Speaker 1 You know, there's a lot going going on. It's kind of very lord of the fliesy in a lot of ways.
Not right. It wasn't that bad, but you know what I mean.
I do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so I think that that skill or whatever that thing that I put up, I carry it. Survivor rest of my life.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think that's what it is. I do.

Speaker 1 I've sort of been spending a lot of time breaking that down this summer, which has been interesting.

Speaker 2 Well, whatever it is, I like it.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Well done.
We all like that.

Speaker 1 I stayed vague enough that I didn't start crying. So

Speaker 1 that's after the show. So,

Speaker 1 Carrie, so you do, you do all that and you think you're going to quit and you think you're going to do it. And then you go

Speaker 1 because you have, not only do you carry over from, from, excuse the pun, from being a child actor to then having success in your 20s, but then you decide that you're going to maybe shift gears or not do it anymore or whatever or go to school or try something else.

Speaker 1 And then you end up having a third act, which you're in right now really successfully, which is you start doing a bunch of films and you have two really successful television shows.

Speaker 1 It's really unusual to be able to sort of carry that on in all these ways.

Speaker 1 And I would say that you too, I'm pointing to Jason and Carrie, you guys are very unique in that way, that you managed to carry that on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What was

Speaker 1 the thing where you went like, okay, now I'm in gear. I want to start doing more and kind of,

Speaker 1 was there a job? Was there a particular thing that kind of fired you up?

Speaker 3 Well, the Americans was just the writing was so, I have to say even in the beginning it was a slow burn it was you know I really think the show became good about episode five in the first season and then it started becoming this other thing which was really this dark kind of unravel of of a marriage and I always thought the spy stuff was just a way to push and pull the marriage like sleeping with other people so so when you went into it then you were you were thinking you were going hey we're going over here and you ended up kind of going over here is that yeah Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 3 I was like, first of all, why do you want me like to play this like tough Russian spite? What? Don't you want like Rocky's wife, that like lady with the short blonde hair?

Speaker 1 Like, no, never famous.

Speaker 1 I'm like, me? What the fuck?

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, God.

Speaker 1 That's hysterical.

Speaker 1 But she's not available.

Speaker 1 I'm getting drunk with my friends walking in the snow. Why do you want me? I don't want fucking this shit.
I'm still hung up on that image of you and your friends drunkenly walking down 7th Avenue.

Speaker 3 It was, you guys, it was, it saved my life.

Speaker 1 It really did.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 that was just lucky, total luck, just getting to do that show and then meeting Matthew and all of that. You know, that was just good writing.
So fun to be a part of something that

Speaker 3 was well received. And then I took another long break.
I feel like that's what... keeps me in it is I go in and out.
I take little pockets where then I'm just home doing laundry and

Speaker 3 seeing my friends and

Speaker 1 after the Americans Americans, you do.

Speaker 3 After the Americans.

Speaker 1 And it's on the Americans that you met

Speaker 1 Matthew

Speaker 1 and the great Matthew Reese, who we've had on the program, who is just an absolute

Speaker 1 Matthew.

Speaker 1 So cool.

Speaker 1 I always just. I just love seeing his face.
I love hanging out with him. I had a nice lunch with him about a year ago.
With Chris Tekie.

Speaker 1 With our mutual friend Christy Kie. Yes.
Yeah. Who's equally as great.
Oh, my God. Who's equally as delightful.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Delightful.

Speaker 1 And that was a lot of fun. And so you meet Matthew and you guys are on the show together.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, it makes sense. And you guys, it makes sense to me, by the way.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's great. He is really, really great.

Speaker 2 You guys had

Speaker 2 never met before the show?

Speaker 3 We had met, which he reminded me about, which I don't know if he told you guys on the show, but he's not.

Speaker 1 I think I remember this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 We had gone to fight training or something in the first week. Well, you know, we screen tested everything, blah, blah, blah, did the fight training.
And so I'd known him just like that, you know.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 we were having lunch after doing some kind of crazy fight training. And he said, we've met before.
And I said, no.

Speaker 1 And he said, yeah, I remember. Yeah, we have.

Speaker 3 And he said, we, you know, we were at that kickball party in Rustic Canyon. Yes.
And we were the last people at the barbecue or whatever. And I was trying to get you to stay.

Speaker 3 And so I was trying to open a beer without a beer. He tried to do it with his thumb.
And I knew exactly. I said, oh, my God, of course I remember.
You left a drunk message on my machine.

Speaker 3 And I was moving to New York that day. And so it had been 10 years had passed.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 3 And then, yeah. And then games were done.

Speaker 1 Well, so, Sean, don't feel so bad that she didn't remember seeing you in the garden of the acting teacher.

Speaker 1 She didn't remember meeting you. You remember her husband.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 I get it. I get it.
I get it. I have one of those faces.
But

Speaker 1 I love a good love story. So to the extent you feel comfortable, what changed from the, you know, when you, when you try to open the beer for you,

Speaker 1 you didn't clean.

Speaker 1 Do you do a lot of other hipster stuff at parties like playing kickball that are like ironic games? No, but like,

Speaker 1 what changed for you 10 years later that didn't spark for you the first time? Who knows, Sean? Who knows?

Speaker 3 I'm trying. Okay, I'm trying to think.
I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 No, you don't have to answer. It's probably a haircut.

Speaker 2 Matthew had his haircut better.

Speaker 3 Number one,

Speaker 3 you know, I don't ever want to go back to my 20s.

Speaker 3 I'm not saying

Speaker 3 there are certain things about

Speaker 3 our bodies now as they're aging, but I like who I am so much more now.

Speaker 3 Like I look at my girlfriends, I think they are so beautiful now. I don't ever want to go back to 20s.

Speaker 3 I love our age now. And I think...

Speaker 3 I think in our 30s or when I met him again, which would have been in my mid-30s or about then, I just was a different person.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? I was

Speaker 3 and I wanted something different.

Speaker 1 I also think that, Carrie, and this is a compliment to you, Carrie, which is that like you probably don't remember because

Speaker 1 you're such an authentic person.

Speaker 1 And I don't think that like.

Speaker 1 I think you'd remember somebody if you actually had a real conversation. You really connected in that way.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you're not distracted by shiny moving objects

Speaker 1 at all. Like you're really a real person.
Go ahead, Sean. Yeah.
No,

Speaker 1 I'm distracted by shiny objects.

Speaker 2 Anything with Frosting on it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Shiny's pretty things are nice, too.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 But Mission Impossible, Incredible. I'm a big fan of the music.
Well, did the mission, sorry, did any of those

Speaker 1 mission end up being possible because they could do it, right? So I think that's what we're doing. Well, you never knew what the rabbit's foot was.
You never knew what the rabbit's foot was.

Speaker 1 No, but I kind of want to like, I want to be like, well, it turned out it was. It's kind of like never-ending story.
Did the movie end?

Speaker 1 sure did sure did your art yeah so i mean class action lawsuit much i mean

Speaker 1 uh but i loved i loved that and then when you were when it was revealed that was you in in star wars i mean i i was blown away like that was the oh fuck here we go sorry carries

Speaker 1 no i love it go i mean we i i uh was watching it and even scotty and i were like who is this i recognize your voice but i couldn't because we didn't see your face i was like did you ever reveal yourself I don't think you well.

Speaker 3 JJ never wanted me to reveal my face, or I never wanted to reveal the face. And then at a certain point, I think it was the studio where someone said, you have to show her face.

Speaker 3 And JJ was like, no, it's

Speaker 3 the whole idea. It's like, it was like that girl.
There was some cartoon with a girl on a motorcycle from when he was a kid who always had a helmet on.

Speaker 3 And then he was like, well, what if we just show her eyes? And

Speaker 3 so that was, but I think they wanted me to take the helmet off.

Speaker 1 But the studio was like, yeah, we got to carry Russell. We're not going going to not reveal it.
Yeah, yeah. But with such a kick-ass, amazing, amazing.
That must have been cool.

Speaker 1 Sean, and just knowing Sean that she was from Endalore, I mean, that must have been for you, right? Knowing how many moons it was away. It was incredible.
From Tatooine, you must have been just

Speaker 1 freaking out.

Speaker 1 I mean, as an adult, paying attention to a kid's story must have been so cool for you.

Speaker 1 I love this. I love it.
I'm just kidding. And then I haven't seen Cocaine Bear, and I really, really want to see it, but I heard it's great.
And it's been out for a while.

Speaker 3 It's so stupid and crazy and nuts. And Margot Martindale is,

Speaker 3 I mean, you guys, what she does,

Speaker 3 it's ridiculous and wild. And it's such, it was just an antidote to COVID and everyone being stuck in their houses.

Speaker 2 And the great Liz Banks.

Speaker 1 And our friend Liz Banks. We love Liz Banks.

Speaker 1 You guys were in Ireland, I want to say. No.
She just called me.

Speaker 3 She was pitching me this completely other, legit, serious, really good idea for this limited series and um

Speaker 3 you know we're just on with these writers and having these serious conversations and then texts me the next day just says hey um or i've got this do you want to um i'm talking this crazy movie called cocaine bear do you want to read it i was like sure

Speaker 3 and i told my girlfriends i have these few girlfriends in New York here and I was up in the mountains with them and they said, I told them, I pitched them the idea for the story.

Speaker 3 And they said, if you don't do that movie, we're not going to be friends with you anymore.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow. Really? Really?

Speaker 3 And it was so fun. Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Margot Martindale, and I traipsing around Ireland out of control.

Speaker 1 We were out of control having the time of our life.

Speaker 2 We were in Ireland?

Speaker 3 I forget. Because the COVID numbers were down.
Right.

Speaker 3 And because it's an island, I guess. And because it's a good match for that forest we were looking for.

Speaker 1 Margot's one of those people. She's so

Speaker 1 years ago,

Speaker 1 she wanted, Krasinski was doing a movie and he wanted her for it. This before like the

Speaker 1 don't talk movies or whatever or quiet. Quiet place.
Quiet time. Quiet place.

Speaker 2 No, the thing is, look who's talking.

Speaker 1 Don't talk. Look who's talking in the middle.
Timeout who's talking in place.

Speaker 1 And he said, and so I said to Margot, I said, hey, John Krasinski wants to get in touch with you that okay. And so she talked to himself.

Speaker 1 Then she called me and she goes, I'm going to do this fucking guy. I'm going to do his movie.

Speaker 1 It it better work out because you better not have fucking put me on with this fucking guy.

Speaker 1 She literally like, kind of like pseudo-threatened me. And like, I was like, I just put you in touch with him.
It's not my fault. You didn't have to do it.
She, I'm doing it because of you.

Speaker 3 When I read Cocaine Bear, that next day, she texted me, and it just says Margo, and she says, Are you fucking doing this movie?

Speaker 1 I was like, Are you fucking doing this movie? What?

Speaker 3 I was like, Now I'm definitely doing this movie.

Speaker 1 Margo's doing it.

Speaker 1 One of the hardest, one of the hardest laughs I've ever had in my life was doing that series, The Millers, with Margo. And we did this episode.
It was this thing where Beau Bridges was

Speaker 1 doing this, saying this thing. And Margo and I started laughing.
And she got me laughing. I couldn't.
It's the first time in my life where I was like, I don't think I'm going to recover from it.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're going to get it. I don't think I can do this.
I think it's a wrap. I have to go.
And I couldn't look at her. She had me laughing so hard.

Speaker 1 She's a delight. She's a delight.

Speaker 3 Karen, what are you excited about that's coming up other than the diplomat what are you gonna do the rest of the day uh so uh i'm gonna be honest i stayed up late too late last night so i woke up in the morning i had leftover indian food it was delicious i'm having a beer with it yeah i love that gosh you're so cool i'm gonna we made our first it's kind of chilly here in new york this morning right yeah so we made our first fire and it was oh nice

Speaker 1 and you don't even have a fireplace yeah no sorry

Speaker 1 That's funny. That's fun.
What a fun day. So the rest of the day you're going to be kind of

Speaker 3 cozy.

Speaker 3 My kids start school for the first day tomorrow. So I'm getting everyone.
I'm going to make a nice dinner, family dinner, early dinner for everyone, early to bed.

Speaker 1 What are you going to have? What are you going to make?

Speaker 3 I'm going to make skirt steak and a bunch of vegetables and rice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love that. Yeah.
I love that. By the way, I've never been to Brooklyn.
I want to come. I want to go check out Carol.

Speaker 3 We could have you. We could have you.

Speaker 1 I might have a bunch of people. We could have you watch this quick restaurant.
Carrie, I'm coming to New York in a couple weeks for real.

Speaker 3 Will, remember when I ran into you

Speaker 1 on the street with your car?

Speaker 3 Oh. No, you were shooting something.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, we were shooting in Brooklyn. You were, and you were coming home and you were drunk.
I was wandering home drunk.

Speaker 1 I was like, Will, what's this? Oh, boy. Dude, dude, I was shooting, and there was a whole, like, the crew we were doing, and she

Speaker 1 shooting

Speaker 1 one of the one of those ninja turtle movies.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she just blew right by the lockup, huh?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and she came.

Speaker 1 We were shooting right on the the river overlooking the city, and here comes Carrie Russell. And of course, nobody stops her.

Speaker 1 Nobody of the crew stops her because they're like, oh, Carrie Russell, it's Carrie Russell. And she just walks through, basically walked through our set.
It's like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 Hammered up.

Speaker 3 Hammered, just walking home. Walking home.

Speaker 1 I know. But I was going to say, I'm coming in a couple weeks.
Let's have dinner and/or lunch. You, me and Matthew coming together.

Speaker 3 I would love it. I would love, love, love, love it.

Speaker 1 Fucking dumb. Yeah.
Oh, God, Carrie. I wish we would just hang out forever.

Speaker 3 We will. I would love to see you.

Speaker 3 We have chance encounters from mutual people, satellite people, but I would love to see you.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, Carrie,

Speaker 1 you just brightened up our day. It's so great seeing you.
It's always a delight.

Speaker 3 Always.

Speaker 3 Let's all see each other. Let's see.

Speaker 1 I would love to

Speaker 2 say hi to Matthew Forrest, please.

Speaker 1 Yeah, please say hi to Matthew. And I'm going to reach out.
I'm going to reach out to you in the next video.

Speaker 3 Please, please, please. Don't.
Please do. Please.
I won't hesitate. I would love, love, love it.

Speaker 1 Okay. Bye, guys.
Thank you. Bye, Carrie.
Bye. Thanks, Carrie.
Bye, too. Bye.

Speaker 1 Just a delight. Just a sunny delight.

Speaker 1 How cool is she? She's just a Sunday afternoon. She's just

Speaker 1 drinking a beer and eating some Indian leftover Indian food because she's a little hungover. She seems like one of those people that everybody wants to be friends with.

Speaker 1 She's so fun. When we did Running Well together,

Speaker 1 she would be, we had so much fun. She's the kind of person doing her off-camera would be throwing shit at me.

Speaker 1 Like a super easy, fun hang. Really, really fun, fun, really prepared, really in it, really

Speaker 1 just disciplined and professional, but cool and real.

Speaker 1 You could laugh with her and then you can tell her, you know, she and I both, there were times where we were both going through stuff in our personal lives and we were, and she was such a good friend to me, and we would talk about stuff in a really, just awesome.

Speaker 1 I love it. Awesome.
And she, and by the way, she drives her entire career. Like she makes the decisions.
And speaking of driving, by the way, I sent you guys a

Speaker 1 a video when we were in new york of a of an uber driver do you remember that

Speaker 1 oh i do remember this remember that and hey yeah and he was he was really kind and he was from china and his real true this is a true story his real name is called b-a-i-y-i

Speaker 1 And I got in the car and I asked him how you pronounce it and I sent it to you.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, spell it again?

Speaker 1 B-A-I-Y-I.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And how would you pronounce that?

Speaker 1 And how did he say that he pronounced it?

Speaker 1 Sean,

Speaker 1 I'm glad you brought this up. How did he say that he pronounced it? Bye.
Bye.

Speaker 1 There it was. Bye.
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