"Lisa Kudrow"

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Speaker 1 But man,

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Speaker 2 You guys,

Speaker 2 I mean, don't make me cry. It's been a month and a half.

Speaker 1 I know, it's pretty wild. I'm so happy to see you in your house in LA.
It makes me feel really good. And I know that we're going to see you later.
Yeah, later today.

Speaker 1 Later today, I'm going to put my mouth on both of you right away.

Speaker 2 Hang on. Okay.
Hang on. One lip for each.

Speaker 1 That's another Sunday. Please stop.
Please stop. Please stop now.
I urge you. Wait a minute, Jason.

Speaker 1 I know you told us a little bit about your character, but is your character supposed to be clean at all?

Speaker 1 Hang on.

Speaker 1 Tell us about your character.

Speaker 2 This is the start of a typical interview.

Speaker 1 Tell us about your character. What is it? No, because.
He's a storyteller. Sorry, Sean, you're going to go.

Speaker 1 No. Well, anyway, I don't really care.
I mean, I care, but I mean, like, is he supposed to bathe?

Speaker 2 No, and that's why I look like,

Speaker 2 you know. I mean, there's long hair and long beard, and it's not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 Are you anxious to cut it all off? Are you like?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and we haven't even gone into the teeth of summer yet. I'll be going going through summer in New York City with this long hair and lung.

Speaker 1 What's that beard going to feel on 16-hour days in the summer in New York?

Speaker 2 It's going to,

Speaker 2 however bad it feels, it's going to smell even worse.

Speaker 1 Have you been trimming it now? Because you've got it at a length that you like?

Speaker 2 No, well, we had to trim it once just for continuity so it doesn't get too, but you know.

Speaker 2 I get, you know, people maybe be like,

Speaker 2 should we worry? Is there a hotline we can call into?

Speaker 1 Well, Amanda, Amanda has been into us a bunch of times, and I, and even last,

Speaker 1 you know, to anybody who will listen. And then I last weekend at dinner, she was, she was chewing somebody's ear off about, and then he just looks like somebody new and different.

Speaker 1 I've heard her, I forget who she was hitting this to. Scotty.
She's just hitting it to Scotty.

Speaker 2 No, I know. Well, it's just about different, right? I mean, I look like somebody other than the person who's been sharing a bed with her for 25 years.

Speaker 2 You know, she's just seeing flashing green lights all over the place.

Speaker 1 I actually think it's handsome. It is handsome.
Thank you. I mean, maybe trimmed with a little trim of the beard, but the hair is short.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know who doesn't dig it? Maple, my 12-year-old. She's just, she'll barely look at me.
Well, all she wants is Marty Bird back. Sure.

Speaker 2 Nice and short hair, you know, some kind of a banker look.

Speaker 1 What about the sleeve? Does Marty roll his sleeves up ever? Because Michael Bluth rolled his sleeves up.

Speaker 2 Well, he was always trying to get down to business.

Speaker 2 you know well i think about that every time literally that i turn up my sleeves i hear you go well let's get down to business

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 2 and uh you know you're not wrong um

Speaker 2 but i yeah so um but you're feeling good though you're you're you're happy to be home feeling good i'm very happy to be home i cannot wait to see you guys tonight

Speaker 2 this is the first time we've done one of these for six years

Speaker 1 people don't realize we we sometimes bank episodes and we had to do that because you were directing.

Speaker 1 So we were two months ahead.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And how are you feeling at the end of your directing? Did it go? Did everything kind of pretty much go?

Speaker 2 It went even better than I'd hoped.

Speaker 2 And that was because everybody came together so, so well. Crew and the cast.

Speaker 1 Yes, Amanda said it was going really great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can't wait for people to see it. Really, really proud of it.

Speaker 1 And it's called Black Rabbit.

Speaker 2 It's called Black Rabbit.

Speaker 1 But for

Speaker 2 some odd reason, Netflix, God bless them,

Speaker 2 they're not dissimilar from other companies in that

Speaker 2 right around when Star Wars started to get rekindled and Marvel started to go, and people really tried to steal scripts online and get a jump on things and release spoilers and stuff, all studios went to a pseudonym for projects,

Speaker 2 regardless of their budget scale. Like, this ain't Star Wars.
You know, I mean, it's a great thing, but it's not.

Speaker 1 Sean, I'm out. Yeah.
I was directed at you.

Speaker 2 So we had to come up with a pseudonym per Netflix. And I was so like, oh my God, this is not a Marvel thing.
We don't need a pseudonym. And I was so like over it when I got the email.

Speaker 2 And my dog, Gary, was just laying on my lap. And so I said,

Speaker 2 let's call it Gary the Dog. So all over the, so the show is called Gary the Dog.
If you're in New York, like all the location signs and the call sheets and everything.

Speaker 2 So that no one figures out where Black Black Rabbit's shooting.

Speaker 1 So they have to change the name.

Speaker 2 No, it's like it's a state secret.

Speaker 2 Ted, I'm sorry. He's going to call me and yell at me, perhaps, but it's just, yeah, I can't wait for my actual dog to show up on set and everyone will see.

Speaker 1 You know what that reminds me of? Sorry, it just made me think. When we were years ago, what is this?

Speaker 1 More than 15 years ago,

Speaker 1 we had finished shooting. It was about to be released, Blades of Glory, the ice skating movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Me and Pharrell and Amy and everyone loved that movie. Fun movie.
Really fun.

Speaker 2 Speck and Josh Gordon.

Speaker 1 Our friends Will and Josh directed. And so I remember I was in a cab going downtown, downtown in New York on Broadway, just above Canal Street, and I was talking to Will on my cell phone.

Speaker 1 I guess it was probably pre, just pre-smart phone, talking to Will. And

Speaker 1 as I was talking to him, this woman comes up to the window of the cab and she's holding up bootleg copy. The movie hasn't been released yet.
Bootleg copies of Blades of Glory.

Speaker 1 And I said, hey, Will, do you want me to grab you a copy of the movie? We hadn't even had the premiere yet.

Speaker 2 And a $6 Louis Vuitton bag? You were right there on Canal, right?

Speaker 1 Remember piracy was like so super bad? Like the physical piracy?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do. You know, I went to

Speaker 1 Allie Wentworth and George Stephanopoulos' house for dinner, and I didn't have anything last minute to bring

Speaker 1 as you do when you go into somebody's house for dinner. So I stopped on the street and I bought Jason one of those $6 Prada bags.
And for Allie,

Speaker 1 instead of like a bottle of wine or something.

Speaker 1 So that's going to be my thing now. I'm just going to buy like 20 of them, bank, you know, have them in my closet.

Speaker 1 And if I don't have anything, I'm just going to bring people like pink product bags that cost $6. By the way, now you got customs on your ass.
They're like, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a great idea. Guys, let's get to our guest.
She's been so kindly waiting.

Speaker 1 She's a true Los Angeles native, but counterintuitively, showbiz wasn't her, always her career path. She graduated from Vassar with a degree in psychobiology.
Beautiful campus.

Speaker 1 And then went to work for her dad, a headache specialist. Huh?

Speaker 1 But one thing thing led to another, as it so often does in Tinseltown, and she ended up at the groundlings, bit by the comedy bug.

Speaker 1 She's fluent in French, married to a Frenchman, and I'm guessing loves French fries. All three of us would consider this person her friend, but in the rest of the world, she's one of six friends.

Speaker 1 It's Lisa.

Speaker 1 It's Lisa. Yeah, Lisa.

Speaker 1 Woo!

Speaker 1 Oh, with a gorgeous filter on it.

Speaker 1 As soon as you said, married to a Frenchman, I knew it was Lisa. Yeah.
Michelle Stone. Michelle.
Michelle. Michelle.
Michelle Stone. Michelle.

Speaker 3 But I'm not fluent. I'm not fluent in French.

Speaker 1 Oh, you aren't?

Speaker 2 What about French-Canadian?

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you must speak a little bit of it because your husband.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do. I speak a little of it because my husband.

Speaker 2 So is that on purpose?

Speaker 2 You didn't want to learn.

Speaker 1 I just repeated everything. I know, that's so good.

Speaker 1 Your mirror work is phenomenal, by the way.

Speaker 2 Did you not learn the whole language so that you could tune him out when he's really going at you with some stuff?

Speaker 3 No, he just,

Speaker 3 he speaks so fast. I could, yeah.
And I did take it in high school.

Speaker 1 I took four years of. And you know, Will speaks it fluently.
Well, you know, I've spoken French with Michelle many times, but he wants to go in.

Speaker 2 You're right.

Speaker 1 He doesn't, he won't slow it down for you. So if you don't keep up, then he'll just flip to English because he's like, I'm not going to waste my time.
Right. I know.
Yeah. Very pretty.

Speaker 1 Lisa, why do you look so pretty today? Not that you don't always do, but like a callback today.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 I thought this was it.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 because you know, we're not like filming this, no, but you look great, your lighting is good, your lighting is good, and I love that you have enough self-respect to like blur out your background because you don't like Sean wants us all to look at his canon printer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you're like a baby Yoda that's hard to get up there. But you're like, you're like, I'm going to be front and center.
You look great. Your lighting looks great.
You look phenomenal.

Speaker 3 No, but because it's mayhem here.

Speaker 1 Is it?

Speaker 2 It looks like it could be a nice-looking bookshelf back there.

Speaker 1 maybe better than sean's yeah it is i'm actually trying to unblur it so you can see oh there it is oh there it is there it is well that's what it starts a little blurry but you know what that looks that looks really nice like that's a shallow depth of campus at least you can kind of see this okay um okay so i go ahead I was going to just get right to can you help my daughter get into Vassar?

Speaker 2 You know, because we toured that campus.

Speaker 1 Is she interested, Jason?

Speaker 2 I don't know if she is, but I like it. It looks like Hogwarts.
I mean, it's so beautiful there.

Speaker 3 It's really beautiful. A lot of people end end up at Vassar just from the tour.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Really?

Speaker 3 And then they're disappointed they didn't go to Yale.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 3 yeah, it's really beautiful.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 2 was college a good experience for you? Did you?

Speaker 1 I loved it. Yeah.
With all my heart. I did.
Now,

Speaker 2 were you an academic or were you

Speaker 2 just sort of doing your school so that you could party?

Speaker 1 No, she said yeah.

Speaker 1 I wanted to say yeah to the market. I can't wait.
You kept talking. You didn't listen.
You just, she just, she answered.

Speaker 2 I like to drive people into the answer I want.

Speaker 1 Right. Well,

Speaker 2 you've forgotten. It's been a while.

Speaker 3 I was a biology major, so there was no choice but to be academic because that's a big commitment.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 what was the impetus for that? So you come out of high school, you're kicking ass in science and math, and you're like, yeah, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I thought, I'll be pre-med. My dad's a doctor.
My brother is starting medical school. And I thought, yeah, yeah, I'll be a doctor.

Speaker 1 And was that interesting to you?

Speaker 3 Well, biology was really interesting to me. Yeah.
I loved it.

Speaker 3 Biology. I mean, it's such a huge

Speaker 3 thing.

Speaker 2 But what kind of doctor do you think you would have been?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I wasn't set on that. But halfway through, I went, oh, no, there's no way I'm going to be a practicing physician.

Speaker 1 There's no way. So because, because

Speaker 3 I realized I wasn't as interested in that as I was in, I liked evolutionary biology, so I was just going to continue and do.

Speaker 2 Will's big on creation biology.

Speaker 1 Oh, sure.

Speaker 1 Remember the Paula Abdul song, Vibology?

Speaker 1 No, we don't. No, nobody does.

Speaker 1 I used to pretend I was going to vibology. I mean, no offense to Urban, but he does.

Speaker 1 But wait, so Lisa, so your dad, so your dad was a,

Speaker 1 Sean, did you say that? Did he say it right? Your dad was specialized in headaches? Yeah, yeah. So what's that?

Speaker 1 talk to us a little bit about that and yeah i work because i got two headaches i got two headaches on the line with me every day okay how do you get rid of them maybe you can help me get rid of them it's called recasting okay

Speaker 3 uh well he he got a lot of headaches and he was you know like a family practice or internist and then decided he would switch to just treating researching headache Wow.

Speaker 1 So is it migraines or just the simple common headache?

Speaker 3 At the time, from what I remember, because I worked for him

Speaker 3 from college till friends, basically.

Speaker 1 Like in the summers or full-time?

Speaker 3 No, full-time. After that.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 That was my day job, which was really lucky.

Speaker 1 Where was that?

Speaker 3 In Encino.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So, cool.

Speaker 3 And at the time, there's nine different headache types at that time. So I don't know.
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Well, we got migraine. Are there different subsets of migraine?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hemiplegic, ophthalmic, classical. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And do you know how to treat, like, can you, like you and I know your son, and like the second you feel something going on, you must know all about them to know what to do with them, right?

Speaker 3 All right, great. I mean, a little, but I, but, you know, there's a lot of new medications and things.
My brother's a headache specialist. He's a neurologist who took over when my dad retired.

Speaker 1 Be honest, is he in bed with the folks over at Bayer?

Speaker 1 In bed with. But

Speaker 2 I am, while we're pulled over here for a second, I am, I mean, is a headache,

Speaker 2 I mean, it's mostly just like a blood flow problem, correct?

Speaker 1 Or no?

Speaker 3 Well, I don't, yeah, I'm not entirely sure,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 you were answering the phone. Is that what you were doing there?

Speaker 1 You just pulling out Tylenol? I mean,

Speaker 1 this sounds like a pretty shitty operation.

Speaker 3 I kind of knew a lot about cluster headache. That was this subset that's not a migraine.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Is that when you're around too many people?

Speaker 2 No. And is the classical headache from the other?

Speaker 3 No, but that's a good guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Thank you.

Speaker 3 You know, I'm just about making people feel good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And by the way,

Speaker 1 which leads me to, you told me before,

Speaker 1 we were hanging out at another friend's house.

Speaker 1 And you told me, I was asking about your family growing up and you were like, I was the least funny in the house. Yeah.
And I was like, what? As a kid? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you said, and I always found that hard to believe. So were you interested in comedy at all? Like, what did you, what tickled you?

Speaker 3 Oh, well, I just, I'm the youngest, you know, in the family. So that's always like the least competent person in the house.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You get away with a lot.
How many, how many siblings?

Speaker 3 I have two. Okay.
And they're older and really funny. And my dad is really funny.
And he's 91 and he still is.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so, yeah, I just would repeat what they said, bring it back to school, and sometimes get in trouble because it's like six and eight years older than what was appropriate for

Speaker 3 kindergarten or first grade. But

Speaker 3 junior high, I did

Speaker 3 play production where we wrote sketches and performed them. And that was huge for me.
That was a very big deal.

Speaker 2 Was Saturday Night Live

Speaker 2 consequently like one of your favorite shows?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I did. I loved loved it.

Speaker 1 I did love it. Yeah, same.
I used to watch it. Guild a rag.
Is that a gold? Oh, no way. You too, Sean? No way.

Speaker 1 What a weird coincidence. Sorry, listen.

Speaker 1 Oh, you liked it. Oh, you liked Saturday Night Live? Fucking breaking news.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ. Here's what's special about me.
I loved Saturday Night Live. I loved the Beatles.
Oh, yeah, I loved it too.

Speaker 1 They were really good.

Speaker 1 What about oxygen?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I breathe oxygen.

Speaker 2 So was it groundings?

Speaker 2 Did you want to go there as maybe a path to potentially become a cast member?

Speaker 3 No, Groundlings, that was after college. And that really wasn't about, I wasn't, my goal was not Saturday Night Live, but my goal was to avoid a dramatic acting class at all costs.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right.

Speaker 3 Because from what I understood, they seemed like cults and it was just people taking everything way too seriously.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was in one once and it was that, it was like that. Yeah, it was like people

Speaker 1 used it as an excuse to not move on in life. Or therapy.
Or therapy.

Speaker 2 Whereas the world beaters in the comedy class.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, that was the huge revelation. Yeah.
Was, ooh, the comedy folk are way off. Like there's something really wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Well, also, also, it's a lot of fun.
Yeah. Well, yeah.
Oh, like you get to have a, you get to laugh and have fun all the time.

Speaker 3 See, that's a little, let you know, a little secret that feels good instead of trying to make people cry i know but let me ask you something of all the stand-ups you know who is more serious than a stand-up that's so true about their stand-up who would you say is funnier in person than uh than on stage and they're great on stage marty short is the funniest

Speaker 1 zach alphanacis zach no zach alphanac is stand-up he's the funniest person in person yeah which is hard to believe because he's so funny on stage and in stuff he is will ferrell farrell

Speaker 1 farrell does ferrell ever yeah he never did stand up right conan conan

Speaker 1 incredibly funny uh-huh

Speaker 1 we'll be right back

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Speaker 1 Having said all that, who, who, what I wanted to know, Lisa, who is in your class at ground? Like what was Conan? So Conan was.

Speaker 3 i would have quit if that must have been exhausting oh oh sorry i thought you were going to go the other way he wanted to make you quit we'll cut that one will yeah you you were tell us about that ground at the groundlings because it was nuts well i couldn't take groundling classes because they wouldn't let me because i hadn't had enough experience with anything so they sent me to cynthia seghetti an improv teacher at the coronet which is now god damn it you know that thank you yeah

Speaker 3 and i went to the first class and thought oh no these are not my people and I can't do this. I commit.
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 And they're all embarrassing me with their like, you know, space ball, like with an emotional adjustment, like girr. And I went, I can't do this.

Speaker 1 I don't, I think I'm out.

Speaker 3 It's too serious. I'm acting forever.

Speaker 3 And then the next week, I said, all right, just go. You committed to this, just go.
And I was a little late and everyone was up there. It's like, no, no, I don't want to break the flow.

Speaker 3 I'll just sit here and watch and die. And

Speaker 3 they were lifting a disc or something.

Speaker 2 An imaginary disc.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. Space mime, actually.

Speaker 3 And so one of them was doing it.

Speaker 3 And it was Conan, this tall, really tall redhead guy is lifting the disc. And when he's angry, he's just kind of angry.
And he's just really lifting a disc or throwing the spaceball without too much.

Speaker 3 And the teacher, Cynthia, was saying, good commitment. I went, oh, that's commitment.
It's not embarrassing. You're just really

Speaker 1 doing it.

Speaker 3 That is cool. And I thought, okay, that guy.
So

Speaker 3 I made sure I made a B line to him, said, Hi, I'm Lisa. That was really good.
And he said, I'm Conan. And we became best friends.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 And is it true that Conan gives you credit for him taking over Letterman?

Speaker 1 Not credit, no, but

Speaker 1 a little push.

Speaker 3 Kind of. I mean,

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 he was asked to produce that show. Lauren Michaels asked Conan to be the producer.
So they were looking for someone to be the host.

Speaker 3 And Conan was saying, I want someone smart but funny, but who can have a conversation with writers, you know, authors and politicians. And I said, well, that's you.
So you should do it because

Speaker 3 nobody replaces David Letterman. You're nobody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 You know, so it's kind of the only thing that's not.

Speaker 2 And at this point, he was,

Speaker 2 was he the head writer on Saturday Night Live?

Speaker 3 No, he was at The Simpsons.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. The Simpsons.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Had he been at Saturday Night Live or not yet there?

Speaker 3 Oh, no, he had already been. That's how Lauren Michaels knew him.
Okay.

Speaker 1 That's wild. And you guys have been close ever since.
That's so cool. And then

Speaker 1 you actually went back to the Groundlings to teach, right? So then you became Cynthia.

Speaker 3 No, while you're at the Groundlings, you can teach. And I taught, I taught Cheryl Hines, which was my class.
Some other people, too, and I don't remember. I voted Will Farrell into the Groundlings.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's so cool. Nice vote.
Not me alone, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, but

Speaker 1 you might want to do a lap on that one, though. Sure.
I'd do a lap on that. David Spade, though.
David Spade, sorry, I just had another comedian who's very funny.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Lisa, have you ever done stand-up?

Speaker 1 No. Well, no.

Speaker 1 Would you?

Speaker 1 Would you? No. Why?

Speaker 3 Because I don't want to write jokes.

Speaker 2 But what about if somebody wrote them for you?

Speaker 1 What about being a host of a late night show?

Speaker 1 Well, but what about like,

Speaker 2 let's say, like the monologue

Speaker 1 that the Jimmies do?

Speaker 2 Or, you know, like, would you do that?

Speaker 1 Would you be comfortable with that? No. No.
Could you do late night?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do you mean? Like, you'd be a host talking.
You'd be honestly a guest. Yeah, would you host a late night talk show? I don't want to watch a woman.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 Okay, now you're being confrontational. See, I think that'd be such a great joke.
Listen to me.

Speaker 2 Now, Sean, you've done, and Will, you've done,

Speaker 2 you've guest-hosted Kimmel's show. So you've done,

Speaker 2 you've done monologues up front there.

Speaker 2 Is that a comfortable thing?

Speaker 1 I like it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I would be really interested in trying to get that.

Speaker 3 No, but it's not just the monologues because then you have to interview people, which you all three know how to do.

Speaker 1 And that can be death. Yeah, I don't know.
It can be hard to do that. It can be hard by.

Speaker 2 But we get to like, it's only, it's, it's cut three ways. You know, if it was just me interviewing somebody,

Speaker 2 I would, you'd, you'd answer a question and I'd just be nodding at you and going, huh, that's great. I would not have my next question ready.
That's the right thing.

Speaker 3 That's my fear, too. That's why I'm not.

Speaker 1 No, but even if somebody gives you the question, no, it would be hard to just to give the impression that I'm interested. Right.

Speaker 2 But you know, I'll bet I would love to watch the talk show.

Speaker 2 And Letterman was kind of good at this too, although he was pretty, he was a decent fellow about it, but you could, he'd still let you see in just a little bit that he's not feeling this guest.

Speaker 2 This guest is not hitting the ball back like they should.

Speaker 2 Like they're acting like they're doing us a favor by being on the show. And like I used to like that.
I used to like to try to read him. And nine times out of ten, the guest kind of deserved it.

Speaker 2 They were kind of being jerks and he

Speaker 2 wasn't helping them. And he kind of let them sink.

Speaker 2 I think you'd be good at that, Willie.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm just looking at Lisa and I'm remembering. Lisa, have I ever told you this? I'm remembering the first time we ever met.
Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 Did you guys know Sean? Shashan and I?

Speaker 1 We've gone on to work together. Lisa and I did Bojack Horseman together.
We've done some stuff and we, right? And

Speaker 1 really great. And

Speaker 1 you were so great on it.

Speaker 1 But the first time we met,

Speaker 1 it was like the first year of arrested development.

Speaker 1 And somehow

Speaker 1 we were at the Beverly Hills Hotel. There was something going on.
You were meeting somebody for lunch and you were standing. Do you remember this? No.
You probably don't remember this.

Speaker 3 I know you told me this.

Speaker 1 I think I told you this. And you were still on friends with still like maybe in this last year.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And I was such a huge fan, as you know, because I've bored you with it at least so many times, such a huge fan of the comeback. I mean, I just freaking loved it.
What a genius, underappreciated show.

Speaker 1 You were so brilliant in it. And our good friend Mike Schur was on the staff.
And just an amazing, amazing, amazing show. For me, it was a mind-blower.

Speaker 1 And so I just said hi to you, and we sort of said hi, and I made some stupid joke, and you, you don't, and I, you go, oh, you are kind of like your character on that show.

Speaker 1 And I walked to my car, and I was like, fucking what?

Speaker 3 I was being funny.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 3 I was trying to be funny.

Speaker 1 It really hurt my feelings. I drove and I was like, I'm so sorry.
I know. You told me.

Speaker 3 And I said then, I'm saying it now.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. Did you literally get an accident?

Speaker 1 You got an accident? No, I didn't get it. No, I didn't get an accident.
But I was like, I really, because she was like a big star, you know what I mean? And I was like, Yeah,

Speaker 1 still is.

Speaker 1 At least, I felt like a ding-dong. Anyway, tell my sister Tracy, who's listening from Wisconsin, about because I know I still love this.

Speaker 2 By the way, I'm sorry,

Speaker 2 Tracy, I just have been gone for a month and a half. I just got home to that really sweet Wisconsin Badger golf shirt you sent.

Speaker 1 We already talked about it.

Speaker 1 No, he just didn't.

Speaker 2 But I had not opened it yet. I was still in New York.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, Tracy, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 No, I thought you were going the other way.

Speaker 2 No, I love it. I love it.
I love it. And thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's very sweet.

Speaker 1 But at least for

Speaker 1 my sister who may not know this story, I always find it so interesting. And a lot of people do know, but if you wouldn't mind, first of all, I want to go, Scotty and I watch episodes of Cheers a lot.

Speaker 1 Like we'll take like 10 years off and then we'll watch Cheers again. Yeah.
And I'm always blown away

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 you pop on there. I was like, oh my God, is that one of your first jobs on Cheers? Or was that the first job?

Speaker 3 That was the first guest star

Speaker 1 job on Shears. Withrelson.
It's so cool. You were so great on it.

Speaker 3 Taft Heart lead.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you met Jimmy Burroughs for the first time right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think that kind of, that's where I was going.
So then Frasier, right, or mad about you then? What was next?

Speaker 3 Frasier. Frazier.
Well, not next after. I did other guest star.
Apparently I was on coach like three times.

Speaker 1 Apparently.

Speaker 1 IMDV made a mistake. Do you not remember that experience?

Speaker 3 That's right.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 And recently I worked with Linda Lavin and she said, you were on a pilot that I did.

Speaker 3 The casting director reminded me.

Speaker 1 And you forgot about it.

Speaker 3 Nothing. It's like those Jennifer, like the Uber Eats commercials where you purge stuff so that you have room for other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you were Ursula, I'm mad about you.

Speaker 3 And that I do remember.

Speaker 1 Okay, so and that's the thing that caught what? Jimmy Burrow's attention, the network's attention, or what?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 David Crane's boyfriend, partner is Jeffrey Claric, and Jeffrey was a writer for Mad About You at the time. So when they were casting friends,

Speaker 3 Jeffrey said, what about

Speaker 3 Lisa, who's playing Ursula? That might be a good Phoebe.

Speaker 1 Wow, right.

Speaker 1 But you filmed the part of Roz for for Frasier before that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. I got, no, no, I didn't film it.
I got fired before that.

Speaker 1 Oh, let's go. You got fired from

Speaker 1 Frasier. Yeah.
Isn't that interesting, though? Is it because you put hands on Kelsey or David or just running over? You know me so well. Oh my God.

Speaker 3 Is it put hands on like ringing necks or put hands on cupping somebody? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 It's striking somebody or shaking somebody vigorously.

Speaker 3 You know how violent I am.

Speaker 1 Isn't it wild how just everything works out? Like you don't get that, so you get that. And then it's just wild.
I know.

Speaker 3 And it was devastating to get fired.

Speaker 1 So, when you got so, when you went in for the part of Phoebe on Friends,

Speaker 1 you knew Jimmy already. Jimmy Burroughs, for those who don't know, directed the pilot and a bunch of the first season of Friends, the great Jimmy Burroughs, whom we all adore.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, when you went to audition for that, he was already very familiar with you and loved you.

Speaker 3 He was familiar enough that, you know,

Speaker 3 I got fired from the last thing.

Speaker 3 So, by the way, do you know when we shot the reunion for friends,

Speaker 3 or was it there or something else, like a Jim Burroughs celebration? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Where I learned I was the only cast member for Friends that had to audition for Jimmy Burroughs.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. Why is that?

Speaker 3 Because I had just gotten fired from Frasier.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 3 And he was directing.

Speaker 1 So Jimmy had been, he had been instrumental in your firing from Frasier.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 1 He probably could have fired. Probably.
It sounds like it. I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 so he felt bad. He probably didn't want to cast you and friends.
Was like, ah, listen, I already fired this kid once. Give her this job.

Speaker 3 No, he's not like that. You know what?

Speaker 1 He's smarter than that.

Speaker 3 No, but when I had my audition, I did it.

Speaker 1 Just pull him into this call. Yeah.
Okay. Come on.
Can you just hold one second? No, when you went to audition?

Speaker 3 When I auditioned, it's just this small room. He's sitting at a desk.
I'm in a chair. And the audition was like a little monologue thing.

Speaker 1 Where was it? Do you remember?

Speaker 3 At Warner Brothers. Okay.
And when I'm done, he just went, no notes.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I thought,

Speaker 1 but that's a good, that's a huge. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 Like, it's hopeless or it's perfect.

Speaker 1 Do you remember? Do you remember? So you do that. That's probably in the spring of like 94, maybe 93, something like that.
Right. Mrs.
Mary.

Speaker 1 Friends, where you do the pilot. 94.
94, right. So I was right the first time.
So you do the, I know. I don't know.
And you do the pilot. You do the, you shoot the pilot.

Speaker 1 And do you remember the different, like,

Speaker 1 do you have a moment like a year later or six months later where you're like, holy shit, my life has changed so quickly?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 No, you don't. No.

Speaker 3 It wasn't like that. It was Mad About You that changed a lot for me because I had been fired from Fraser and then

Speaker 3 I did a guest star on Mad About You. They had me back.
I'd already done a guest star the first season. So now I'm there for a different character.
And my agents had said, you're not doing this.

Speaker 3 They called like in the morning. Can she just come in an hour?

Speaker 3 The character is called Waitress. There's no name.
And my agents at the time were saying, no, no, you can't. It doesn't even have a name.
Don't do this. I said, I'm not in a position to say no.

Speaker 3 And it's to me the best show. And I'm going, and I'm doing it.

Speaker 3 And by the end of the week, Danny Jacobson said, you're so funny. Would you be okay doing five? more episodes.

Speaker 1 I just went, yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank God you did that. There's my rent for the year i don't have to get another day job yeah yeah yeah yeah but then your dad's scrambling to find somebody to hand out the tylenol

Speaker 3 you kind of screwed your dad over a little bit luckily right lisa what what can you say or can you remember do you know why you were fired from frazier i don't it just wasn't working yeah so that was so you were like midweek you were like through the producer run-through through the network run-through or something and then during the run-throughs because jimmy was saying like this isn't working so just just don't even right they'll have they have to fix it right because i was trying to like what's not working what can i do but i think they did make a casting mistake with me because i went to the network with perry gilpin yeah

Speaker 3 and for whatever reason who got the part on yes and so i think they were just correcting a mistake Got it.

Speaker 1 Got it. Got it.

Speaker 3 Because Perry should have always been Ross.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, it's such a funny, you guys, well, we've talked about it a little bit, but you've been fired from a role that you just weren't right for before, have you?

Speaker 1 I have. I mean, certainly.
I've been fired and then refired.

Speaker 2 Or the stuff that you don't get and then you end up being available for the thing that you really, I mean, like, you know, that classic story of you and Rain on Arrested Development.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, no, the year before I got fired off that pilot, that it was the show became still standing. And when it went to, it got picked up for a series and I didn't get picked up.

Speaker 1 But it never felt right. And had I not been fired at the time, I was like, fuck, what a great job.
Had I not been fired, fired, I wouldn't have been available for rest of development.

Speaker 1 It was the same casting director, Deb Berilski, whom I had.

Speaker 3 But can I ask you guys something when you are fired from something?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, I know for me, there's that moment of, wow, maybe this just isn't supposed to work out, this career choice.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, all the time.

Speaker 3 Oh, you did have that when

Speaker 1 I have it every day.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's not working out.

Speaker 1 You know what, Lisa? I did. My thing was like, I was so, I ended up getting fired and I said, I was kind of like, fuck them.
And I was living in New York at the time. Amy was doing SNL.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I'm going to do,

Speaker 1 I happened to do, you know what? That summer, I happened to do, or no, a couple of summers before, I happened to do a reading at New York Stage and film one of those reading things at Vassar.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, Powerhouse.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So you're there for like a week and you're, you're kind of workshopping a new play.

Speaker 1 And I met this playwright and this director, and he ended up calling me and saying, I'm going to do this play with the new group off Broadway.

Speaker 1 And so I was like, I'm just going to stay in New York and do theater and fuck TV. That was my thing:

Speaker 1 they're not firing me. I'm firing them.
I'm firing the whole TV business like they cared. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. That'll show them.
But that kind of made me get my head around it, feel better about myself. That's how I dealt with it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it, but you're right, Lisa. It's so,

Speaker 2 all you need is just one

Speaker 2 firing, and you think

Speaker 2 maybe I just don't, because it's so thin what we do. It's not, it's not, it's not backed up by credentials and diplomas and, and, and, and, and four years of finishing school and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 It's just, it's so sort of subjective. Right.
You know, and also, Lisa, think about it. Similarly to you, within a year, my life changed.
After that moment where I thought it was all done,

Speaker 1 my life changed forever. It's the same for you.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's right. I mean, but that's what's important to me, like for younger artists who definitely have talent.
And yes, you can be discouraged, but then you've got to pull yourself back up.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, that can't be your mindset for too long.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, it won't work out.

Speaker 3 It's just not going to work out.

Speaker 1 It'll win. That mindset will win.

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Speaker 1 Lisa, let me ask you this

Speaker 1 on this subject because I was just talking about it because sometimes I'm sure you guys have had it too. Like, you know, my parents will be like, so-and-so's grand grandnephew wants to be an actor.

Speaker 1 Will you talk to him? And I always think, like, I want to be generous, but also, and I was just talking about it two hours ago

Speaker 1 of

Speaker 1 what would I say? What would you do if you were 20 years old today, starting over again? It's such a different world from when we all started. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Certainly the show business is so much different because of social media, et cetera. What would you say to somebody who is trying to do what you're doing?

Speaker 1 To a

Speaker 1 20-year-old you today, what would you say?

Speaker 3 Well, is it that different in a, I think it's different in a good way, though, because what I had always said was

Speaker 3 say yes to everything except porn.

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 always my advice. Sean, yeah.
Darn it. Well, keep going.

Speaker 3 But it worked out anyway for you. And that's a joke, everybody listening.
No, still say no to porn, I think. I mean, I guess it depends on your level of comfort.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and what you think porn.

Speaker 3 Everything's okay now. That's another issue.
But,

Speaker 3 but that was it. It was just say yes to everything.
You have no idea who's going to see it. You have no idea what it's going to lead to, what you're going to learn from doing it.
And now

Speaker 3 everyone has a camera and can post it on something.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The tough part, the tough part, I think for me, it would be like, I would say to somebody, and these are unrealistic sort of parameters, is that like, yeah, go do it if you don't need it in order to make a living.

Speaker 2 And also if you don't need to be hired to find validation about your talent. Like those are two really hard things.
Like my confidence was always tied to being chosen, to being employed.

Speaker 2 You know, like if I, if I didn't get the job, I can't feel good about myself. Once I got the job, I was fucking perfect.
I was just bulletproof. And then inevitably the job is over.

Speaker 2 And that's tantamount to being fired. And you got to go find another job.
And until I got that job, job, I couldn't feel good about myself. And so my self-esteem is always tied to employment.

Speaker 2 And employment is not in your control. So therefore, the way you feel about yourself is not in your control.
And that was a real tough thing for me. And then also,

Speaker 2 you know, if you have to,

Speaker 2 if it's your only way to make a living,

Speaker 2 it's really stressful.

Speaker 1 It is. Yeah, I agree.
And I think that you're right.

Speaker 1 And we've talked about this before again, which is I've never believed, I think it's really dangerous to tie your self-worth into what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Right. But at the same time, JB, think about it.
Your perspective is different because you grew up working your whole life since you were a kid.

Speaker 1 Sean and I came into it later from other parts of the world. You grew up in Los Angeles, Lisa, but again, you came from a different world, kind of a whole different world.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I was being employed at a time when I didn't really care about being employed. And then when it became important to be employed, things had sort of dried out for me.

Speaker 2 And so like I needed to make money and I also needed to feel good about myself. And it was just, it was just, it was just tough.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it forced me to do some of the work that people should do earlier, which is, you know, get a good base of self-esteem and self-worth before you enter the workforce.

Speaker 3 Right. That's hard to do, period.
I mean, that's sort of like

Speaker 1 the whole lifelong commitment. Exactly.
That's the journey right there. I have something to say about friends still.
Okay. I'm just a story.
Sorry, we got a caller here. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 Yes, we were all friends. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that it? Okay.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts about the ebb and flow of the show? Because I remember when I moved to LA, Friends was obviously massive. I moved in 95 and it was huge.

Speaker 1 And then there was a hibernation period after it was over, and then Netflix took over and there was this resurgence of popularity. Not that it ever went away, but it just came back this massive,

Speaker 1 almost as big as when it first started.

Speaker 1 And what was that like? Did you feel that

Speaker 1 change again? Or were you just like, I'm still here?

Speaker 1 It doesn't affect me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I mean, it was always on in syndication. So yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's what I'm saying. But even in syndication, it didn't seem like it made as big of an impact as it did when it moved to Netflix.
Right. That's what I heard.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, but I mean, that's the speaking more to the phenomena of Netflix than anything else, but it was so, it was so popular and it's undeniable, right?

Speaker 1 So like, we're just sort of stating the obvious. It was so incredibly popular and still is, but so popular and also so internationally popular.
It was so big.

Speaker 1 It was able to do a thing that very few American shows did, which was sort of transcend sort of language and all sorts of things.

Speaker 1 I mean, every one of my adult friends in the UK are massive fans of friends in a way that's really

Speaker 1 true.

Speaker 1 But Lise, you went on to, you went on to, you're one of the few who, you know, had such an iconic character on a television show, and then you achieved what seems like from the outside the impossible and parlayed that into and broke out of

Speaker 1 Phoebe, which a lot of people can't do. Oh, you think I did? You did.

Speaker 1 Romeo Michelle's high school, um, high school reunion, opposite of sex. Uh, I analyzed this.
You were so fucking great. I analyzed this.
And then

Speaker 1 the comeback. So that's what I was getting to because I'm a massive, massive fan of that show.
Thanks. I've seen every episode.
I love it so much. So much.

Speaker 1 Valerie Cherish is one of the funniest characters I've ever seen in my whole life. Thanks.
Truly. And then I was on it, so thank you.
And then,

Speaker 1 but talk to me about that character and how you came up with it. Is it based on a real person? And if you haven't seen The Comeback, see The Comeback.
It's so good. That's incredible.

Speaker 3 Thanks. I know.
I'm the most proud of The Comeback.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should be. It's so great.
The most. But how did you come up with that character?

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, it's a composite of people, honestly. I'm not trying to, you know, be coy,

Speaker 3 but it just was a composite of a lot of different people that you know you'd see on talk shows. I had a character at the Groundlings called your favorite actress on a talk show.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 1 that's funny. That's funny.
And is that a little bit of Valerie Cherish?

Speaker 3 Well, it was, I mean, because it was way before Valerie Cherish.

Speaker 1 Can we speak to Valerie Cherish?

Speaker 1 No, I'm just going to. Yes, you can.
Welcome to Smartland.

Speaker 1 This is nice. Thanks.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I should do that.

Speaker 1 I was being coy. All right.
Valerie, Valerie, are you comfortable being on a podcast at all?

Speaker 3 If it's being broadcast, I'm comfortable.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. Wait, okay, so it's a little bit of a background.

Speaker 3 It says everything like it's a sitcom.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 It's so fun. Like a tag.

Speaker 1 Everything she just says is a tag or a button. Wait, what? Yeah, a button.
Yeah, yeah. A button.

Speaker 1 A blow. A blow.
A blow. It's so funny.
Are you going to do more of them?

Speaker 3 God, I would love to.

Speaker 1 Well, why can't it be curb your enthusiasm? You just do

Speaker 1 a season whenever you want.

Speaker 3 Well, because Larry David can call up HBO and say, all right, I want to do more.

Speaker 1 The comeback is huge. The comeback was huge.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, we'll see. Michael Patrick King is busy with

Speaker 3 and just like that.

Speaker 1 That's exactly what I mean.

Speaker 2 What is your level of

Speaker 2 effort and

Speaker 2 interest in

Speaker 2 creating new shows, new characters?

Speaker 2 You know, where does all that sit with you right now?

Speaker 2 Where do most of your interests lie?

Speaker 3 That's such a good question. I mean, I've spent the last few years being really interested in not producing

Speaker 3 and just

Speaker 3 acting and being cast.

Speaker 3 And so I've done that. It's just none of it has come out.

Speaker 1 yet

Speaker 3 but it will all this year is the producing boring is it boring no it's not that it's boring i mean for me it just felt yeah kind of, it's a lot of work.

Speaker 1 It's laborious for very little payoff. Yeah.
Yeah. I got tired of making other people money and big money that way.
Right.

Speaker 3 So there's that. But then also, it just felt so fraught.
Yeah. You know, also just with

Speaker 3 like HR issues and things like that. So I just wanted, okay, I'm not producing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because as an actor, everything's done basically. And then you get cast and then you're just a few weeks away from actual shooting.

Speaker 2 Like you even skip all the pre-production and all that stuff, not to mention all the development and the pitching and the budgeting and all of that.

Speaker 2 It's just like so many different points of the process that can go wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you can be frustrated.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, that's exactly right. I mean,

Speaker 3 I loved, I produced a show, Who Do You Think You Are? which is not scripted. It's a, you know, yes.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that was such a good thing. I mean, it was so fascinating.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And I loved doing that.
I mean, I loved the research stage,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 the editing and like how you're going to lay out the story for the person to discover and where the documents are found and, you know, that stuff. I loved doing that show, producing that.

Speaker 1 That's great. And that's it.

Speaker 3 But I mean,

Speaker 1 everything else is like.

Speaker 1 That's it. Wait.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 But the comeback, yes. I mean, because I write the comeback with Michael.
So I just love it.

Speaker 1 It's so good.

Speaker 1 So, wait, really quick, I have something else to talk. I want to talk about Time Bandits because I loved that movie as a kid.
And now you're in the series, Time Bandits. Oh, you did.
You loved it.

Speaker 1 I loved it. I've seen it too.
I've seen it in a ton of time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 I liked it too. I saw it in the theater too.

Speaker 1 Can you tell me a little bit? Tyka Watidi, right? He's directing or wrote it or both?

Speaker 3 Both. Tyka and Jermaine Clement.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 What about Ian Morris?

Speaker 3 And Ian Morris. Yes, fantastic.
But when I first learned about it, it was just Tyke and Jermaine wrote the pilot. And such a good idea.
And I went, well, I don't care. Yes.
Do I need to read it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and

Speaker 3 it's in New Zealand. I've always wanted to see New Zealand.

Speaker 1 Right. So

Speaker 1 they still have the Hobbit Villa there from Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 3 Yeah, not where we were shooting.

Speaker 1 That's not where you're shooting. Okay.
And I didn't. But it would work well because I was busy working.
All right, fine. So I've got a future in locations.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 this is a series that you've shot that's yet to come out.

Speaker 3 It's coming out July, I think, 26th.

Speaker 2 Nice.

Speaker 3 On Apple. On Apple.

Speaker 1 That's so exciting. I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 3 I know. I'm trying right now with this system to watch.
You know, this pics thing and they send you

Speaker 3 to try to watch things on it.

Speaker 1 It's really hard. It's very difficult.

Speaker 1 Tell me about like a really, if you can, a really crazy groundling theater story, like something that went wrong or awry.

Speaker 3 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Fucking Sean. I love it.
I love you so much. I love it.
Because I used to go, I used to do a show at the Groundlings.

Speaker 1 You did? With, yeah, with my friend Darlene Hunt. And we, it was.
She is Darlene.

Speaker 1 Darlene Hunt. And

Speaker 1 it was called

Speaker 1 Polar.

Speaker 2 Sorry. And then something went wrong, Shawnee?

Speaker 1 Name of it. Name of the show.
Does it really matter?

Speaker 2 As soon as you wrap this up, we'll get to the answer.

Speaker 1 Platonically incorrect. Okay.
Oh, man. Thank God we popped it up.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good. That's a good title, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was proud of it.

Speaker 1 No, I just had to wear false teeth and they popped. What?

Speaker 1 Fuck. No, but I didn't know if you had anything.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 we all have the same friends from the Ground League. We all know a lot of the same people.
Tim Bagley.

Speaker 3 It's the stuff that happened backstage. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 That's the best part.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. No, I have a lot of those because I

Speaker 3 always working on my filter

Speaker 3 with people because I, to me, facts don't hurt, you know, so you know, like letting someone know, like, oh, I don't know about that sketch. It's more of like a diddy than a sketch.

Speaker 3 I mean, you just sort of like, it feels like it belongs on a cruise ship.

Speaker 1 So this is a recurring theme. So when you go like, oh, you're just like your character, like that's just something you're just your filter.
Well, no, but here's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Well, but I know I do that. So sometimes that's my joke, too.
Do you know what I mean? Then I'm being the person with no filter.

Speaker 2 How about just you're not full of shit? And I think that's great.

Speaker 2 Like, well, don't change that. I mean, you know, you're not hurting people's feelings, right? You've got a filter that keeps you from really chopping somebody's legs off.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, Will's, Will's, you know,

Speaker 2 you got to amp it up just a little bit to get to him. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But that, I guess, was rough. And I didn't think it was rough to say it's, to me, it's just a song.
But and we were all being asked, What do you think of this piece?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 3 to be fair, but and that by the way, was Mike Hitchcock, who's hilarious, hilarious,

Speaker 1 genius talent.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. And then, one time backstage at the Growlings, he came and he said, I had a dream about you last night.
I said, Oh, you did? He said, Yeah, you threw acid in my face.

Speaker 1 He's really funny, that guy.

Speaker 3 From the thing? Is that because of the thing?

Speaker 1 He's like, that was my dream.

Speaker 1 Well, speaking of dreams, we've taken up way too much of your time, Lisa.

Speaker 1 You've been

Speaker 1 a dream.

Speaker 1 You are a dream. Thank you for coming on, honey.

Speaker 2 Lisa.

Speaker 1 We love you. It's fun.
Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 I really enjoyed talking to you.

Speaker 2 Please say hi. Please say hi to Michelle.

Speaker 1 I will.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Ask him if he needs new wedges.

Speaker 1 Oh. What's a wedge? Oh, it's a golf club.

Speaker 1 I saw Michelle twice last week.

Speaker 3 Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got a silky swing.

Speaker 3 That's great. I love golf stories.

Speaker 2 No, that's another part of golf.

Speaker 1 Listener, that's sarcasm.

Speaker 1 All right, Lise, we love you. I'm sure we'll see you soon.
Yeah, I hope so.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so great to see you the best. You guys are.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for doing this.

Speaker 3 Do I log off? Do I get it?

Speaker 1 Just slam it or do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 okay yeah you can just

Speaker 1 bye bye

Speaker 2 the great i think the great lisa kudra you think anybody ever calls her lk

Speaker 1 why not i would i would call her lk that's that's a good we call you jb but nobody says w-a because that's no it's not fun yeah and uh

Speaker 2 sh not just fun

Speaker 2 jb is kind of like that shitty uh like a like a butler like or some kind of a yeah i don't know where i got that from but um maybe i should but lk is good to say right okay okay

Speaker 1 you you should work

Speaker 1 yeah well we're doing that now right yeah just listeners go ahead and call in while we're still on and but isn't she but isn't she good you know jay you said a while ago about larry david you were like boy you just did you did seinfeld then you did curb your enthusiasm you just did really

Speaker 1 two things that were i mean you did other things of course but two shows that were just hit huge and she did many shows that hit like and movies and stuff.

Speaker 1 And because she takes the time to create characters and like specificity of all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 And she, to me, she's always taken the time and the energy to make something great or make sure it can be great.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I, and, and, and the whole people I talk to, people I hear from, or uh, like, just, she's universally thought of as just like high taste,

Speaker 2 really smart comedy, um, which, which comes from being a good actor, I think. You know, I mean, she's, she's,

Speaker 2 she says that she's not that interested in drama, or at least she said in the beginning, she wasn't interested in drama class. I'll bet if she took a dramatic role, which

Speaker 2 she's probably done. And

Speaker 2 I've never seen him, but

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 2 she makes you cry real quick.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 she's awesome. And just such a talent.
Yeah, and she's so, it's funny that.

Speaker 1 Red, that she plays that character, Phoebe, and friends who's sort of kind of out there and whatever, and yet Lisa is so razor sharp, like so smart.

Speaker 1 I know, razor sharp, and she got her beginnings, you know,

Speaker 1 being smart by going to Vassar, studying that one science and working in a doctor's office.

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