"Henry Winkler"

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Speaker 2 Jason, I know we got to do the show, but do you have something else that you need to do? I just, I did not get up early enough to take care of everything one usually takes care of in the morning.

Speaker 2 Like taking out the trash or whatever? Well, some people call it that. Or like opening some windows.
All right, so we'll pause.

Speaker 2 Why don't you take care of that and then we'll just play the music and stuff and then we'll get it all new smart listeners. No, let's just go to all new smart lists.
Smart.

Speaker 2 Smart.

Speaker 2 Smart.

Speaker 2 Let's.

Speaker 2 Will, did you just finish a workout? I got a little bit of sweat going there on the front of the shirt.

Speaker 2 I did. I didn't even have, I haven't showered.
I just put on a clean shirt. I haven't showered yet.
Luckily, I'm in my booth, but I know it's gross. What's the flavor of workout currently?

Speaker 2 Are you still doing the nonsense

Speaker 2 with the platinum white leather punching bag? No. Remember that.

Speaker 2 I'm not boxing or anybody. It's really, by the way, a great workout with my friends over at Fight Camp.
But no,

Speaker 2 I'm now doing the Catalyst. I'm in the Catalyst suit.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. That sends electric pulses.
Yeah. Oh, I get it.
Oh, this is the big lazy loser workout where you just put zip on a suit that a lecture shocks you and you don't need to do shit.

Speaker 2 I'm doing a workout while I do it.

Speaker 2 And it's a great product.

Speaker 1 Jason, he looks like, when he wears it, he looks like Beyonce from the Single Ladies video.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, thanks for the reference from 2008. We really appreciate it.
Listen,

Speaker 2 I'd appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Stop talking to me like I can recall Beyonce videos at the drop of a hat because I can't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 but by the way, her album just came out. It's really good.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 It is the country one. Is it good?

Speaker 1 You've heard it. It's really good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's really, really good. Is it real twangy, country, like

Speaker 2 real? No, it's just her version. But she's got a lot of collaborations on it.
You know, who did a good plan? Yeah. You know, did a great country album is Beck.

Speaker 2 Remember Beck's country album? Oh, yeah. It was very good.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the note. Hang on.
Hang on.

Speaker 2 1990s calling. What do we? Sorry.
By the way,

Speaker 2 Sean, doesn't JB look like he could put out her country record right now? Absolutely. Yeah.
No, and then you just tilt down and you look at that.

Speaker 2 You've got some Pixies on it. Name one Pixie song.

Speaker 2 The Night We Went Out. There we go.
I mean, this is great.

Speaker 2 That's not a real song. Is that a real song? It's just a great t-shirt.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 Let's get to our guests. Another guest that I have, listen, this, this.
Damn project I'm working on here on the East Coast is really cutting into my prep time for my guests.

Speaker 2 And so I have not yet been able to write an intro for my guests since this project has been in existence. However,

Speaker 2 yeah, well, it just puts me on par with you guys.

Speaker 2 How many, how many is it? It's always somebody else or something else's fault. When's it your fault? Never.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Never. Okay.

Speaker 2 So I'm not just going to just say his name. I will say I am happy to have this gentleman here.
This is like the worst intro ever. That's good.

Speaker 2 I love him. He is a dear friend of mine and yours, Will, Sean.

Speaker 2 Next cube. Some of you may know him.
I'm not sure. But

Speaker 2 listen,

Speaker 2 this is the kind of guy that has got so much kindness and warmth in him that you actually, if you're a cynic like me, you doubt his sincerity.

Speaker 2 But if you know him as well as I do, you know it's sincere. It's real.
Kang, this is somebody who is absolute royalty in our business.

Speaker 2 He is one of my favorite people in the world. He's one of our best actors, one of our best comics, an incredible author.

Speaker 2 You can't say enough.

Speaker 3 Just come on out.

Speaker 2 Everybody, it's Henry Winkler. Oh, I love Henry Winkler.

Speaker 2 Are you

Speaker 2 joking?

Speaker 1 I can bow for the sincerest sincerity thing.

Speaker 1 You're like dubbed the nicest person in show business.

Speaker 3 Exactly. You know what? I don't necessarily think I am the nicest.
I think I'm just grateful.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know? I'm just grateful.
I love being grateful. I'm just grateful.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I sometimes I'm so filled with

Speaker 3 just being on the earth.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, you can feel it.
You know what? I believe you, Henry.

Speaker 2 I do. I believe you.
I've spent some time. I really believe you.
It's so good to see you. Thank you.

Speaker 3 I'm so happy to finally be on the show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Now look at the desk behind you. My God, that's a pile of work you got going on in your desk.

Speaker 2 That's one of the greatest offices you'll ever step into.

Speaker 2 The wall that he's facing right now is stock-filled with stuff you could spend an hour looking at. All these memories, all these tchotchkes and memorabilia.

Speaker 3 Right. It's true.
It's true. But remember, I've been doing this a long time.
Yeah. You know? What I didn't know is that this was only a voice podcast that we weren't recording it video.

Speaker 3 I could have been in my pajamas.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like us. Yeah, like us.
Or in a sweaty, sweaty t-shirt like me. Yeah.
And you could have taken your hair off even, Henry. Not a lot of people know that.
Henry has been bald since 14.

Speaker 2 14 years old. Yeah, unfortunately.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I used to do the limbo at high school dances. You know, it was the only way I got some self-esteem.
And the wig slid right off.

Speaker 2 No way. Oh, it was all.
Because of your skills.

Speaker 2 Imagine thinking, I got low self-esteem. How am I going to build it up? You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to answer the limbo.

Speaker 2 Limbo the shit out of this party.

Speaker 3 I was the best in my high school.

Speaker 2 Is that true? I'll bet. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know why I believe that, Henry? Is because

Speaker 2 I'm now, what just came to mind was that episode of Happy Days where you do, where the Fonz does that dance.

Speaker 3 The Kazatski.

Speaker 2 Yeah, where you get low.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So my parents took me to see the Musaev folk ballet at Madison square garden when i was in the sixth grade and this is that athletic uh jumping in the air spread eagle doing the ba ba ba ba yeah and i

Speaker 3 i was overwhelmed and taught myself a bastardized version in my room that i would do at any dance i attended

Speaker 2 Really? And that was your closer.

Speaker 3 That was my closer.

Speaker 2 And so how did it come about that

Speaker 2 you're making happy days? And did they say Fons needs to have it? And you're like, hang on a second. I got this.
I got this in my back pocket. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you know? Interestingly enough,

Speaker 3 I would ask, you know, there were so many episodes. I was asked to do all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 they came up with this

Speaker 3 how do you win the dance contest?

Speaker 3 And I said, well, I can do this.

Speaker 3 And they played Havanaguela, and I was off and running.

Speaker 2 Was it,

Speaker 2 we're going to pop around all over the place. But while we're there, I mean, was it

Speaker 2 The Fons was not meant to be the star of the show? No, I had six lines.

Speaker 3 When I auditioned, I had six lines,

Speaker 3 and then I worked one day a week for the first year.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 being anxious and short, i could not leave my apartment uh on a weekday so i just sat in my apartment waiting for the day of work and then waiting for the weekend when i could finally leave wow what do you mean what do you mean you were afraid to to leave your apartment because you're anxious and short i i know i wasn't afraid i couldn't leave my apartment because you know i was so duty bound i couldn't play on a workday oh gotcha so i had all the fan mail uh delivered to my apartment and so it was pretty much like a hoarder navigating my way through the boxes of letters and praying.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 I'm written directly to your address?

Speaker 3 Like you just gave out your address? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 It came to Paramount, and Paramount had it delivered.

Speaker 1 All right, got it, good.

Speaker 3 And then I would get presents, you know. Sure.

Speaker 3 I got a metal cutting that said, if you will it, it is not a dream, which became my watchword,

Speaker 3 my my phrase for the rest of my life your mind if you will it yeah you can have what it is you want i believe that 100 and that would that came on a what like a somebody on a metal cutting that was sent to me in the mail by a fan huh so was it like it was a license it was out of the license plate shop at the dat the at the prison right you know what it could have been

Speaker 3 it could have been uh and then i had it framed

Speaker 3 so i have i had and it's up on my wall in in uh That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 I like the idea that somebody does that, that somebody like some guy, Jason's joking about he's in prison, but some dude who's a big fan, he had a few too many pops one night and just etched it into a metal frame as a nothing.

Speaker 2 And for you, it became your mantra. Yeah, it became my mantra.

Speaker 2 Put it on metal as a bit of a clutterbuster. He doesn't want to get caught up in all the other fan letters.

Speaker 3 Well, I got a lot of wood, too.

Speaker 2 Sure, I'll bet. I'm sure I'll love it.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 3 Jewelry, little girls would send me their bears or their crucifixes.

Speaker 2 And I'll bet the big girls sent some lingerie. I mean, the front of the eyes

Speaker 2 of the sex symbol.

Speaker 3 Yes, and then people would come to the apartment and lift their shirt and ask me to sign parts of their anatomy.

Speaker 2 Sure. Oh, wow.
Got it.

Speaker 3 And of course, I wouldn't because I was afraid that the ink would get into their bloodstream. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 2 What a nice guy.

Speaker 2 That would be the first time I would doubt your sincerity right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you can if you want sure so you people can show up now at your house tarps off no problem

Speaker 3 no fear of getting any ink oh oh oh i i i was i shouldn't well okay so i i'm sitting in my apartment i have a victrola because everything was vinyl i went to tower records on sunset boulevard i bought uh dan fogelberg

Speaker 3 and i was listening to dan vogelberg on my rented Victrola.

Speaker 3 The door knocks.

Speaker 2 I get up.

Speaker 3 There are three men with badges.

Speaker 3 And I said, oh, no, you do not smell what you think you're smelling. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 There were some weeds.

Speaker 3 And they said, we're with the FBI. We're not here for that.
We just wanted to meet the fonts.

Speaker 2 No way. No way.
Wow. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 That's so funny. That's a bit of an abuse of their

Speaker 2 busy day assets, right?

Speaker 3 I was so happy that I was not being put in handcuffs. I didn't care what they did.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. They were all paranoid.

Speaker 2 So you're so, you're right. You're so happy that you're not getting busted for having a big pile of stinky bud.
Hey, Henry, let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 I remember you telling me years ago the story about when you got.

Speaker 2 that part on happy.

Speaker 2 And I know we're just in the happy days era right now because it was such a huge part of our, you know, culturally, I don't think people understand how big it was if you're younger, starting the late 70s, into the 80s, how massive happy days was globally.

Speaker 2 You got that part. I think you told me once.
Will you remind me of that story of how that came to be?

Speaker 3 I was

Speaker 3 not

Speaker 3 a complete human being in my life. I could not

Speaker 3 connect my mind and my emotion. I was just being who I thought I should be.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 3 I come from

Speaker 3 walking into my apartment was like walking into a minefield.

Speaker 3 You know, my short German parents were horrible.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 3 so I...

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, go back. What? Hey,

Speaker 3 I could somehow unleash myself.

Speaker 2 professionally.

Speaker 3 So I walk in to the audition

Speaker 3 and I changed my voice. I said, hi, my name is Henry.
I'm from New York City and I'm here to try out for the part of Fonzi,

Speaker 3 Arthur Fonzarelli.

Speaker 3 And then I looked at the guy who was reading with me. His name was Pasquale.

Speaker 3 And I don't know where it came from, but I was able to just

Speaker 2 go.

Speaker 3 I said, hey, don't you look at me like that.

Speaker 3 Avert your eyes, pal.

Speaker 3 And then I did six lines, threw the script in the air, sauntered out of the room. And on my birthday, when it was time for me to go back to New York, because I only had a month,

Speaker 3 they called and said, would you like to play this part?

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.
And you were. Right.
I remember you were saying that you were going to go back to New York. You were like, I'm done.
I'm going back.

Speaker 3 Well, I thought, I literally thought, well, I don't have any more money.

Speaker 3 I'm not getting much.

Speaker 3 Maybe I'm not supposed to be here.

Speaker 2 Well, but however, you were a Yale grad at this point,

Speaker 2 out of Yale drama. Yes.

Speaker 2 So you were stocked full of credentials

Speaker 2 and ability.

Speaker 2 Did you not have confidence that you were going to be able to make a career of that?

Speaker 3 I got confidence about last Wednesday.

Speaker 3 That was the first time. I literally,

Speaker 3 I've said this before, but imagine that I am a bowl of jello

Speaker 3 before

Speaker 3 it congeals in the ice box, in the refrigerator.

Speaker 3 My insides were shaking like I was at the rumba room.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Was there ever a moment where you didn't want to talk about playing the funds, like a section of your life you're just like, I don't want to talk about it, and then you embraced it or no?

Speaker 3 No, no, because I understood in those 10 years

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 3 incredible gift that I was given in being introduced to the world, no matter where we went

Speaker 3 on the planet, somebody stopped me, invited me to their house for dinner.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 The Native Americans in the Hopi tribe, you have to lock your camera away because they think you're taking their soul.

Speaker 3 They invited me to get my camera when we took Jed, who is now 53, but at the time was in the third grade studying Native Americans.

Speaker 3 They invited me to get my camera so I could take a picture of the kachina dances.

Speaker 3 What an honor.

Speaker 3 And that is the microcosm of my life at that time.

Speaker 2 Did you, and Sean, be honest, are you still thinking about the jell-o in the fridge? Yes. Did you,

Speaker 2 Henry? I'm thinking about the leaf blow.

Speaker 2 I'm about to drive over to Henry's house and knock out the leaf blower.

Speaker 2 I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him.
Yeah, he's next door.

Speaker 3 He's next door.

Speaker 2 But Henry, I remember seeing photos or video of you going on these world tours. You were in like Japan or something or something.

Speaker 3 With the Happy Days baseball team.

Speaker 2 Yeah, was that what it was?

Speaker 3 Gary Marshall,

Speaker 3 I miss him every day. Yeah, was just a brilliant human being.

Speaker 3 A problem solver, very strict.

Speaker 2 He created Happy Days for Days.

Speaker 3 He created Happy Days and Mork and Mindy and Laverne and Shirley and The Odd Couple and on and on and on.

Speaker 3 And then went on to direct these great movies,

Speaker 3 Pretty Woman being one of them.

Speaker 3 Gary Marshall always wanted to own a sports team. And I think he bought a part of the Portland Beavers.

Speaker 3 So we played softball. Then we were invited by the USO and the Happy Days ball team flew to Germany and we played in all these small towns.
And at that time, there was the Cold War.

Speaker 3 It was still going on.

Speaker 3 And so these men and women were in these small towns at the border of Germany. We would play softball with them.
I would like to really take this gardener. Is he in the room?

Speaker 2 He is like

Speaker 3 sitting on my lap.

Speaker 2 Just try using a vacuum cleaner instead. You're so lazy, Henry.
Don't tell me. I'm telling you, I don't know.

Speaker 3 It's the next door neighbor.

Speaker 2 No, I know. And they're so messy over there.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, well, you know, he, yeah.

Speaker 3 But anyway,

Speaker 3 so, and then we played all over Germany. Here's the great thing.

Speaker 3 I'm walking through an airport and a young woman comes up to me with a stroller and said,

Speaker 3 I was my daughter's age when you came to Germany and played against my dad's team.

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 3 What a circle.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Then we went to Okinawa.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's where Scotty was born.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 we

Speaker 3 played again with the American troops in Japan.

Speaker 2 Yeah. What year was that?

Speaker 3 That was, Jed was 13.

Speaker 3 So I have no idea.

Speaker 2 40 years ago. So did you guys play in just only played in Axis countries like Japan, Germany, and Italy too?

Speaker 3 Yes. And then we played in every major

Speaker 3 ball field in America. We would play exhibition games before the Mets, before the Giants team.

Speaker 3 The Dodgers, the Angels.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Who's on the Happy Days team?

Speaker 3 Who was there? Ron Howard, a great athlete, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 What position was

Speaker 3 center field, shortstop? Okay. Sure.

Speaker 3 Donnie Most, great athlete. Where was he?

Speaker 2 Where do we have Ralph Most?

Speaker 3 Donnie was maybe left field

Speaker 3 or second base.

Speaker 2 And you got to put Potsy in right, right? The guy was going to be a game. No, he was on first base.
He's going to buy a ticket to the game. Potsy in right.
First base. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 You just point and say, sit on it, Potsy, and point to first base.

Speaker 1 That is exactly right and then he went and he was good he could catch okay yeah i couldn't catch

Speaker 3 so i was the pitcher they taught me how to pitch and that is all i could do uh ron howard uh bought me a mitt yeah uh anson bought me a bat my first in my life really

Speaker 3 and uh so i got really good at pitching but if the ball was hit toward me, I turned my body to the left and stopped the ball with my body. I was black and blue for eight years.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, you're pitching too many over the middle of the plate, it sounds like.

Speaker 3 Well, I pitched shutouts.

Speaker 2 What about that was good? Wait a minute.

Speaker 3 Let's just go by that so quickly.

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Speaker 2 And now, back to the show.

Speaker 2 I want to get to you. Is it true that

Speaker 2 your audition for Yale, when you went into Yale drama school, that you completely blanked on your Shakespearean monologue? You made one up? Oh, is that true?

Speaker 2 So you improvised in Shakespearean iambic pentameter? No,

Speaker 3 not in iambic pentameter, but I told the story.

Speaker 3 The monologue was Launce and his dog. I don't even remember what play it was from because I know my limitations.
This was

Speaker 3 out of my perfume.

Speaker 2 Right. And I went launch

Speaker 2 and the dog.

Speaker 3 And then I said, went for a walk and I made it up.

Speaker 2 And they still let you in. Absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 3 Not only did they let me in. Okay, so

Speaker 3 there are 25 actors started, 11 finished. I was one of three actors asked into the professional company.
I now am making $172 a week.

Speaker 3 I am starting my dream.

Speaker 3 I am eight, thinking about being a professional actor. I am now being paid.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Then I got a $10 raise, went to one of the best repertory theaters in the country in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 3 It was Moon Children. That was a cast.

Speaker 2 That's hysterical.

Speaker 3 Michael Tucker, Jill Eikenberry, Chris Guest,

Speaker 3 just on and on.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Woods.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. James Woods.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Now, so how did you, did you get to Yale via

Speaker 2 acting chops or were you

Speaker 2 an academic?

Speaker 3 I am in the bottom 3% academically in America.

Speaker 2 So then what are you doing over at Yale?

Speaker 3 Well, it was all just auditioning.

Speaker 3 It's just your ability to impress them as an actor.

Speaker 1 What at eight years old made you want to act? Was it that dance thing that you saw?

Speaker 3 That is a good question.

Speaker 3 I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 My standard answer is if people were born to try and do something,

Speaker 3 I was born to try and be an actor.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 But did you have that

Speaker 2 in your family? Did your parents encourage it? Did you guys go see a lot of shows?

Speaker 3 My parents encouraged me, not

Speaker 3 an iota. And

Speaker 3 my father brought a lumber business over from Germany. He imported and exported wood.

Speaker 3 And he wanted me to do the same. He wanted me to take over the business.

Speaker 3 And my joke is he said to me, why do you think I bought the business over here?

Speaker 3 And I said, besides being chased by the Nazis' dad, was there like a bigger reason?

Speaker 2 Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Henry, what year year did your mom and dad come over from Germany?

Speaker 3 Was it in 1939?

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 My father asked his mother and took my mother's jewelry,

Speaker 3 bought a box of chocolate,

Speaker 3 melted the chocolate, poured the chocolate over the jewelry, put it back in the box. put the box under his arm,

Speaker 3 and then got a work visa for six weeks. So when the Nazis said, Are you taking anything of value? He said, No, open my bags.
Check my pockets. I have nothing.

Speaker 3 And that box of chocolate started him on his new life because he pawned all of the jewelry until he was able to buy it back.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I have my great-grandfather's pocket watch that came out of jewelry encased in

Speaker 2 chocolate. Wow.

Speaker 2 It's usually cool. That's usually right with the gold coin.
It's usually gold on the outside and chocolate in the middle. This time it was reversed.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 And that chocolate, you couldn't eat it. You could not eat it.
It always gave you herpes.

Speaker 2 But that was terrible.

Speaker 2 But what an amazing, what an amazing story. And so when your father comes, so

Speaker 2 I get it. You sort of, the way you characterize him, he's like, he was tough.
He wanted you to take over the lumber business. But I'm sure in his mind, he's like, hey,

Speaker 2 I came in tough times.

Speaker 2 You're right. You're right.

Speaker 3 I understand all of that. I swear I do.
I admire, they learned a new language. He started a business in a new country.

Speaker 3 He didn't know if he would be able to stay.

Speaker 3 But here it is. When you have a child and they're in front of you, They're not an extension of who you are.

Speaker 3 They're not there to make you proud. And if you see your child has got a problem, even if you don't know the name, if you don't understand it,

Speaker 3 your job is to make sure that that child feels comfortable enough not to lose their entire self-esteem, but to help them meet their destiny, not get proud of them when they figured out how to meet their destiny all by themselves.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 That's true. Yeah, because you had to battle through some pretty significant dyslexia challenges, yes?

Speaker 3 I still do. You don't lose it.
Dyslexia is with you.

Speaker 3 You just have to learn to negotiate it. And there are things I just can't do.
And then there are other people who I depend on to do it.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 You know, thank God Stacey, my wife, is a brilliant speller. Right.

Speaker 3 But it's hereditary. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Well, I was going to say, you've written books about it.

Speaker 2 You've been really vocal about it in terms of identifying it in kids and helping them because of your own experience and using that to try to talk about it. Is that right? Am I right about that?

Speaker 3 I did not know that that was going to happen. In 2001, I had just finished a Broadway play with John Ritter

Speaker 3 and Len Cariou. Right.
It was

Speaker 3 a Neil Simon play. Oh my God, it was my dream.
The first play I did open and closed in one night.

Speaker 3 This one ran for nine months.

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.
So I come home, can't get hired.

Speaker 3 I go to a friend and I said,

Speaker 3 I don't know what to do. I need help.
He said, write books for children about your learning disability, your learning condition. I said, I can't do it because I've got a learning problem.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 He said, I'm going to introduce you to Lynn Oliver. And then, you know what I found out? The lesson is there is not one way to do anything.

Speaker 3 There is your way. And your way is as valid as any other way.

Speaker 1 Was there any kind of,

Speaker 1 while you were discovering that you had dyslexia,

Speaker 1 did you know something was wrong? And what did that, like, did you do anything to try to hide it?

Speaker 3 I used humor. I used humor.
So

Speaker 3 I couldn't read. I couldn't read off a page.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I couldn't spell. I still can't spell.
Look, I have over my computer, I have words

Speaker 3 that I can't sound out. And so they're there because I use them so often, like the word schedule.

Speaker 3 And I just look up and that's how I spell it.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah, I remember when I was a kid in school, I knew I had problems with my eyes.
I couldn't see and I sat in the back of the class.

Speaker 1 And the class had two doors, one at the front entrance of the class and one at the beat, one at the end. And I would ask to go to the bathroom.
And I would

Speaker 1 leave the classroom, go up the hallway to the front entrance, and there was just a little vestibule before you opened it.

Speaker 1 And I would look through the glass to read the blackboard to see what was on it. Then I would go back to my desk in the back of the class.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I was too embarrassed. I was like, I can't.
I understand.

Speaker 2 Henry, I'm borrowing Sean. I'm at Sean's desk, and I just found this over his computer.
You can probably see it. Spaghetti and vegan says, I don't know why.

Speaker 1 Can I just say more of an affirmation?

Speaker 2 Can I just say something?

Speaker 3 Each one of you, I know

Speaker 3 individually, I know,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 3 I met

Speaker 3 the two of you.

Speaker 3 I met you at the first day of doing arrested development. Yeah.
You were on the couch in the living room. I was your lawyer and not very good.

Speaker 3 And Sean, I met at Max Munchnick's party.

Speaker 3 And I was so

Speaker 3 overwhelmed by meeting him that I was a little out of body. And he looked at me.
I said, oh, I've got so, and he looked at me and went, hello. And I thought, oh, I've completely screwed that up.

Speaker 1 Oh, God, no. I was probably dying.

Speaker 2 But that is, no. I'm so happy to be with you.
Henry, can I tell you something? I have so many great memories and people ask me all the time about working with you. And obviously you're an icon.
And

Speaker 2 I say, I have a couple, I have a bunch of really distinct, and they're all good memories of you. And I'll tell you them sort of in no particular order.
One is, and Jay, you were there.

Speaker 2 We were doing a scene. You, me and Jason and you, Henry and Jeffrey, Tambourne, and we were doing a scene in a bathroom at the old season one.
And we were doing the scene in a bathroom.

Speaker 2 We're having, I forget the conversation in the scene. And then we all leave the room.
And at the end, you look, you're left in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 You look in the mirror and you go to comb your hair and you go, nah, like that Fonzie move. But it really subtly.
And then you walk out. So that was my first.

Speaker 2 And I remember Jason and I going like can you believe we're doing this scene and he's doing a fucking Fonzie thing?

Speaker 2 We're we're how lucky are we that we get to be doing a that's my a my B is this my first year of arrested development I was living in LA part-time just at work

Speaker 2 and I had a few friends Jason being one of them and Sean and I weren't that friendly yet.

Speaker 2 I didn't really like him that much and we but I was I was on my own often and and on the weekends if I didn't go back to New York I was on my own and you and your wife Stacey welcomed me in your home a few times on a Saturday morning you'd say come over and we'd do breakfast and bagels and blah blah blah and you were so kind it's where I met Jed it's where I met all your kids and I

Speaker 2 I Max and I was like this is unbelievable so kind you took your time and you welcomed me into your home and I honestly I never forget it to this day how kind that was of you I love it well you know you're all invited there is a seat at my table I had had the pleasure of

Speaker 3 having Jason and his incredible wife for dinner. And the only one who hasn't been here is Sean.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Amanda and I went over there and Zoe was there and Rob was there, the great Rob Rynas. Oh, I was going to say that.
And then Zoe and Rob.

Speaker 2 And of course, I've come to know Rob, your son-in-law, obviously, over the years. He built my house.

Speaker 2 He's an incredible job. He's so good.

Speaker 3 Isn't he?

Speaker 2 Incredible.

Speaker 3 I had a conversation with him outside. maybe a,

Speaker 3 but he was an actor. He was a really good actor.
He wanted to date my daughter. And I said, I just want to tell you, you better earn a living because this is not a yeasty person.

Speaker 1 We can cut it out, but what's Rob's last name?

Speaker 3 Rob Rinus. Rob Rynas.

Speaker 2 He wanted to be an actor.

Speaker 3 And I said,

Speaker 2 yeah, he's the contractor. He's the great.
You want to be built in Los Angeles. He's the builder of homes.

Speaker 3 He and his partner, Brian.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And, you know what? And so that was the conversation. So he then went to his father's friend, got a job because his father's friend is

Speaker 3 also very good building company.

Speaker 3 And he started.

Speaker 3 in the parking lot where the crew would come and he would move the cars around so they all fit in the small space of the parking for the day.

Speaker 3 And he met Brian, who was part of the crew. And together they have made this wonderful company.

Speaker 2 Sean,

Speaker 2 the company is called VRB. And you know my old house that I used to have up the hill.

Speaker 2 They built, Rob built that house. Yeah, I mean, the house I'm in now, Rob completely redid it and did everything.
And I try anytime, anything, he's the best. This is the kind of guy Rob is.

Speaker 2 When he built that other house that I used to live in, something fucked up when we were going to do this and we're going to have a deck.

Speaker 2 And usually, and it came and it wasn't quite right and the wood was, and usually guys you know contacts go well that's the way it is too bad you got to pay blah blah blah rob says i'm rebuilding the deck i'm paying for the i'm paying for the uh the labor the lumber everything that's not your fault i'm i'm taking care of it and i said rob you don't know he goes no i have to do it that's the kind of guy he that's amazing that's amazing hey sean sean can i ask you a question this has been on my mind for a long time are you going to bring your broadway award-winning show to LA?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 had a marvelous life.

Speaker 3 I want to tell you, for the

Speaker 3 listening audience who did not have

Speaker 3 the extraordinary experience of seeing

Speaker 3 Goodnight Oscar on Broadway, Sean Hayes, first of all, disappeared. You know, you know Sean and you saw nothing of the Sean you know genetic

Speaker 3 on that stage.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 you find out he is a concert pianist and for 30 minutes plays the piano concert ready.

Speaker 3 The audience jettisoned out of their seats. They leapt out of their seats.
Very sweet of you. It was electric.

Speaker 2 It really was. Recently?

Speaker 2 This is a recent project, Sean? Yes, it is.

Speaker 3 Yes, it is. It was about a year ago.

Speaker 2 You were crying right next to me, Willie. And then Shawnee went and go ahead and he took a Tony award for it.
It's very nice.

Speaker 1 I knew that. You were very sweet to even talk about it.
And I saw you on a morning talk show talk about it. I was floored.
I was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 One of my childhood idols is talking so lovely about me. So it was really fun.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 if you did not win the Tony, there would have been something wrong with the universe.

Speaker 2 That's very nice. I agree.
That's true.

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Speaker 2 Henry,

Speaker 2 so you you

Speaker 2 shoot out of the stratosphere with happy days.

Speaker 2 You are arguably one of the most famous men in the world. You probably can't walk down the street.

Speaker 2 What was that adjustment like? And then I want you to talk to me about the adjustment afterwards when you couldn't possibly match that level of success or profile.

Speaker 2 How did you weather that sort of gap between the end of Happy Days and

Speaker 2 the highlights that followed after that? Because you can't keep it up at that level. And how did you manage the swale?

Speaker 3 Those are two really great questions.

Speaker 3 I, because I swear to God, I think I have to

Speaker 3 really

Speaker 3 give it to my dyslexia because there's an emotional component that goes on. Your lack of self, no matter how you appear on the outside, is churning on the inside.

Speaker 3 So people talking to me like I can walk on water,

Speaker 3 I keep looking over my shoulder because they can't possibly be talking to me because they don't know who I am because

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 3 so I was able to keep grounded then I met Stacy which did an even better job and then

Speaker 3 Jed came with the marriage he was a gift with the marriage and that painting his face to look like kiss

Speaker 3 kept you focused on what is in the moment and has nothing to do with who you are.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 I had the most amazing time. Now it comes, I have an office.

Speaker 3 I have a production deal. Fair income.
Because of Skip Brittenham III.

Speaker 3 And now

Speaker 2 I am not getting any calls or callbacks.

Speaker 3 And I'm having like psychic pain. I'm telling you,

Speaker 3 there was a pain in my brain from not having any idea of what to do next. I had a plan A and I just lived it.

Speaker 3 I had no plan B.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 I literally thought

Speaker 3 it's over. And I had the fear, what do I do? Will it match it?

Speaker 2 Could I ever match it?

Speaker 3 Same thing happened just now. We just finished Barry at the end of last year.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Will I match it? Will I, thank you. Thank you.
I'm standing.

Speaker 2 I'm taking a bow.

Speaker 2 I could have, yeah, I could. Okay.

Speaker 3 It was palpable.

Speaker 3 And then my lawyer, Skip, said, I'm going to start a production company for you. So here's another lesson I learned.
I said, I can't do that. I know nothing about business.

Speaker 3 I'm dyslexic. He said, you'll learn.
And.

Speaker 3 you know something. So there were things about being a producer I could do.

Speaker 3 And the other things, I found people who could do it better.

Speaker 3 But it was.

Speaker 2 So this was Fair Dincom. This is the production company that was set up after Happy Days.
And the acting calls were not

Speaker 2 during, and the acting calls were not coming post Happy Days.

Speaker 3 But for eight years.

Speaker 2 But during that time, out of

Speaker 2 desperation or creativity or whatever it was, you started to diversify into producing and directing as well. Yes.

Speaker 2 And this is where directing those movies came along. And a little bit later, MacGyver, yeah?

Speaker 3 Oh yeah, MacGyver was the first show that we ever produced. I had three different partners, writing partners, who were going to create the material to do my on-air commitments.

Speaker 3 You know, at that time, they paid you not only compensation, but they gave you,

Speaker 3 if you brought them a show like ABC, if you brought ABC a show they liked, they would put it right on. You didn't have to go through the process.

Speaker 2 So I had two of those. Wow.
And MacGyver.

Speaker 1 I didn't know you produced MacGyver. That's good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was the first one

Speaker 3 that we ever brought to ABC.

Speaker 2 And what were the two? What was the other one that you liked?

Speaker 3 The other one was with

Speaker 3 Jeff Tambour, where he played a blind English professor. So funny.
It was called Mr. Sunshine, but we only did 13.
It did not last.

Speaker 2 I remember that. But it was great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to try to guess.
I was going to say a good title for that would have been Where are my glasses?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you start producing that and you and MacGyver gets on the air. It takes off.
It's a big hit. Yeah.
It's a massive hit.

Speaker 3 Well, it went for 13 years, seven

Speaker 3 the first iteration, and then we brought it back for five.

Speaker 3 So that was a pretty terrific run.

Speaker 2 Did Forte and John Salmon, those guys, have to reach out to you when they started doing McGruber? Did you like those McGruber? Did you like those McGruber spin-ups?

Speaker 3 I think Will is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 But no, they did not reach out to me.

Speaker 3 Because it was owned by Paramount and ABC at the time.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 2 So you do that. So you start getting into producing and you just figure, what, I'm just going to be a producer forever.
And this is.

Speaker 3 I didn't know. I thought I was just going to be a producer for a minute.

Speaker 3 And then it became a profession. And then we did sightings for seven years,

Speaker 3 studying all things paranormal. Wow.
And then we did

Speaker 3 a wonderful show, which was a kid show in So Weird. We produced it in Vancouver.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 about a little girl,

Speaker 3 Mackenzie Phillips.

Speaker 3 This was her first job after cleaning herself up.

Speaker 3 And she was a rock star on a bus.

Speaker 3 Her manager drove the bus. Her daughter and the manager's son would go off when they were setting up the concerts and stuff and find paranormal experiences in whatever town they were in.

Speaker 3 It was called So Weird.

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm. All right.
Now, how long did that one go? That sounds like a splendid.

Speaker 3 That one went for three or four years.

Speaker 2 Three or four years out of that one good lord all right now so so then you you're feeling you're feeling buoyed by the producing success uh are there is still a passion for acting passion for acting feeling horrible that i there's nothing well because you were so i mean you may have started the term typecast because you were so identifiable as the fons because he was so so popular i mean a listener uh you know this was at a time when there were three networks period right and happy days was if not the top show, one of the top shows, probably getting 30 to 40 to 50 million people watching it every week.

Speaker 2 You can't move. You can't ask an audience to see you as anything different because you're so beloved as that character.
So to ask someone to hire you to play somebody else is probably a tall order.

Speaker 2 So you diversify into producing. You're doing the directing.

Speaker 2 At what point did you feel that maybe there'd been enough time now where you could start to have a realistic expectation to be hired as an actor? Do you know what I learned?

Speaker 3 And I've used this image a lot, but I see myself as that toy with sand at the bottom

Speaker 3 and you blow it up and it was a cowboy at one time. Probably now it's a Star Wars figure and you punch it and it goes down.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 And it comes right back to center.

Speaker 3 I saw myself like that, that I would.

Speaker 3 Right. And then eventually, what I learned is for everybody who is listening, a lot of people will say no, but you just stay at the table long enough, somebody is going to say yes.

Speaker 3 And I did a movie for television, a real story about a father of two. His wife was in an accident.
She was pregnant. And I could have an abortion and keep the child.

Speaker 3 or she would have the child and I would lose my wife.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 You know, and the right to lifers took me to the Supreme Court

Speaker 3 not to save my wife.

Speaker 2 Okay. Wow.

Speaker 3 I mean, that was the story.

Speaker 2 And we lived on Long Island. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that, and you got some good responses from that, and it was a bit of a reset button for you?

Speaker 3 It was sort of a reset button.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 And then I did

Speaker 3 one of the worst movies made by a human being called Control Tower.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 on that set, I got a phone call. Would I like to be in the water boy? Right.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 Nice.

Speaker 2 And then, and let's get to one of my favorite shows of all time. If you see, I see, Sean, have you seen it? It's called Arested Development.
And you played a character on

Speaker 2 you had, so you knew Jeffrey when you came on the show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you? Did you know Mitch Hurwitz at all before you came?

Speaker 3 I didn't know anybody. And remember, I was hired as your family lawyer for one or two episodes

Speaker 3 and happily stayed for the next five or six years.

Speaker 2 The name of the character was?

Speaker 3 Barry Zuckerkorn.

Speaker 2 Barry Zuckerkorn. Barry Zuckerkorn.
Sean, there's a moment in season two of Arrested Development where we're all out on the dock.

Speaker 2 We're supposed to be Orange County, but we're in the marina.

Speaker 2 We had, the show got sponsored. We were looking, we were hanging on by a thread because the ratings weren't good.
And we got a sponsor, and it was like the, it was

Speaker 2 Burger King Krispy Sandwich or something. Yeah, I mean, so,

Speaker 2 you know, the term jumping the shark, of course, came from Henry when he was on Happy Days when the Fons jumps the shark, right?

Speaker 2 And then the criticism was it was an episode so late in the run of the series that that they had basically run out of ideas.

Speaker 2 And now they're going to write that the Fonz jumps his motorcycle over a shark. And, you know, oh my God, aren't they reaching for storylines?

Speaker 2 So, you know, it became known as, you know, well, you know, you don't want to write that episode. That's like jumping the shark.

Speaker 3 So except we were number one for the next four years.

Speaker 2 But they were never

Speaker 2 exactly.

Speaker 2 But the cynics put it, sort of paint it that way, and the term became jumping the shark.

Speaker 2 So he, so in this episode, in this moment where we're trying to figure out what we're going to do, and we've got, and we've got this sponsor, we have to work in this chicken, Burger King chicken sandwich in it.

Speaker 2 we have to actually

Speaker 2 have it on a network says yeah the only way we can cash in the money from burger king is we've got to get the name of the sandwich into the actual dialogue of the show and we're just furious on set and everybody's furious and mitch is so if mitch figures out this way there's a scene where henry's down his character barry zugger talking to us about something and there's and there are all these well well buster buster had just had his arm bitten off by a seal by a seal

Speaker 2 out out in out in the ocean and then they captured i guess what the shark no then they had a bunch of sharks on the thing.

Speaker 2 And so Henry goes, listen, I'd love to talk to you guys about this, but I got to go to Burger Keen and get one of their crispy chicken sandwiches.

Speaker 2 And then he just does a gingerly little hop over a shark

Speaker 2 that's on the dock. That's really

Speaker 2 how fucking crazy it is. It's so good.

Speaker 3 And I'm the only actor in the universe who's jumped the shark twice.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 2 That's right. So, Henry, that's hysterical.

Speaker 1 What excites you now? Do you still get up and like, I love acting.

Speaker 3 I'm going to keep acting till the day i die like yeah you do love it yeah that's good i do i i'm i i have to say i'm in a moment in time right here as we're talking about be very careful what you wish for

Speaker 3 because my life uh you know i wrote i wrote a memoir last october

Speaker 2 um called being

Speaker 2 henry being henry i love that um

Speaker 3 so it was on the new york times bestseller it was a new york times bestseller for 11 weeks 11 weeks.

Speaker 3 Then I went to Australia to tour with the book and it became number one. And now they're taking me to Ireland, Scotland, and England on a book tour.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 oh my goodness gracious me.

Speaker 2 That's so cool. Congratulations.

Speaker 3 I can't forget we have to mention Detective Duck because the new one is coming out in October. The second children's book, I think.
There are going to be four.

Speaker 1 That's more my speed. Now,

Speaker 3 is this uh is uh zipser no hank zipser was 28 in total 28 books seven million copies sold 28 uh individual novels you know uh then we we wrote here's hank when he was in the second grade and here's hank i'll tell you is really

Speaker 3 interesting because we use a font

Speaker 3 that has never been used before. Can you see?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It makes it easier for the eye and the mind to connect.

Speaker 1 It's more spread apart. Wow.

Speaker 3 And a dad whose children were

Speaker 3 dyslexic developed it in Holland.

Speaker 3 The new font.

Speaker 1 And so that's a font and a style that dyslexics can

Speaker 3 to actually

Speaker 3 read it. The words are weighted on the page because a lot of times if you have a learning challenge, the words float or letters float or you leave a word out.
This allows you to anchor your eyes.

Speaker 2 Henry, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 You could put that book in a Big Mac and Sean's not going to read. Okay.
So it doesn't matter what you do. No, I'll eat it.

Speaker 2 But I just think it's so incredible that you've got the world-famous dyslexia and yet you're

Speaker 2 one of the most world-famous authors that there is. I mean, you know,

Speaker 2 and that you're a graduate of Yale and you have learning disability. It's just, it's so incredible what you've done with your life, the longevity of your career, your ability to maintain relevance.

Speaker 2 You know, with Barry,

Speaker 2 was that your first Emmy award?

Speaker 2 That was my first Emmy.

Speaker 3 I won two daytime Emmys,

Speaker 3 but that was my first nighttime award.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, having so much success for so long and you're actually still escalating, there's still a peak, you know, now at this age. So it's just

Speaker 2 so admirable what you you have continued to do maintain doing and but i am it i'm not it's not lost on me that this is my incredible life at the i'm not kidding yeah yeah i yeah i i i get you just you're i get your appreciation yeah it is sincere i i i i i'm i'm a believer well what's great is what's great is you come in you and you know from my experience you show up you're the kind of guy you show up every day on set like it's a new opportunity it's a new day you bring great energy you you always you're you want to laugh you want to experience you're very much in the moment at all times you're one of those people i love that about you i really do well you know i'll tell you something

Speaker 3 you dream about it you're told

Speaker 3 you will never achieve right and then here i am in all these wonderful experiences

Speaker 2 it i'm I'm overwhelmed. I'm over fucking whelmed.

Speaker 1 Right. And I think when you lead with gratitude like you do, people are then drawn to you.
And that's why you are a light that everybody loves and loves being around.

Speaker 2 And through all of this, you've managed to have one of the most successful marriages in show business, which is no.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's

Speaker 3 next Wednesday.

Speaker 2 So, oh, you're next Wednesday.

Speaker 2 Next Wednesday. So we're making news.

Speaker 2 Hey, listen, you had a good run, Stacey. You had a good run.

Speaker 2 But the kids are happy, you know. Like, you know, she's not going to hear this, is she? No.
No, no, she'll never know.

Speaker 2 She's in another room i could say anything i want yeah um but i'm crazy about max and zoe i don't know jed i don't think i don't think i've met jed you know jed's great i know jed as you know i know jed very well yes yeah he's a great dude it was a promise i made to stacy

Speaker 3 i never wanted to duplicate parenthood the way i experienced it.

Speaker 3 I'm just telling you that's true. And I made a promise that I would be a different father.
And

Speaker 3 the lesson I learned there is a herd child is a powerful child.

Speaker 3 If they believe you're just listening,

Speaker 3 that they exist,

Speaker 3 it just helps them

Speaker 3 fly to the sun.

Speaker 1 You know what? That's your next book, Parenting, a book about parenting.

Speaker 2 You should.

Speaker 1 You got those good advice at the beginning when you were talking about the kids and stuff.

Speaker 2 Your kids. I'll buy it and read it.

Speaker 2 Henry we love you

Speaker 2 you have you've given us

Speaker 2 60 minutes of your valuable life and we really really appreciate it please hug and kiss your

Speaker 3 I'm so happy that you invited me I'm

Speaker 2 long overdue

Speaker 3 each one of you individually is

Speaker 2 very important to me that's very sweet who's your favorite who's your favorite my favorite who's your favorite oh

Speaker 3 of these three yeah just tell me just tell me Okay, I'm writing it down.

Speaker 2 Don't you misspell my name, goddamn it.

Speaker 2 We love you so, so much. We cannot wait to come over for another yummy dinner.
Continued success. You're the best.

Speaker 3 See you. Just remember, there is a seat at our table for each one of you.

Speaker 2 I'm coming over.

Speaker 3 And Sean, your hubby.

Speaker 2 I know. I have to.
I'm coming. Okay.
Sean, you have to do it. I would love that.
You got to do it. It's going to have to be waffles and

Speaker 2 tuna fish, right? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 together again is that all you eat pretty much no hilly uh there's an easy henry send send our love to your whole family to all the kids to everybody we love you guys yeah you know what when you were here at our table we had scooped bagels with melted cheese yeah and they don't make that cheese anymore no kidding

Speaker 2 no altadina stop making that cheese and it's never been the same listen altadena if you're listening if you work at altadena right now the fons want you to start making that fucking cheese again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, listen up. Yeah.
So hey. That white shadow.
Hey, get on it.

Speaker 2 All right, Henry.

Speaker 2 We love you. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 My best at home to everybody.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.
Bye, bye. Bye, pal.
Bye.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 If you guys got your act together, you might be able to live as successful and as warm and as nice a life as he has, okay? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just, you know, just mind it.

Speaker 1 But the gratitude thing is big. I remember walking down the street in Beverly Hills or West Hollywood or something, and there was a deli.
I was walking into a deli, and he was walking out.

Speaker 1 And he's, and that's how I know it's all real because he's exactly how he is in life as he was when we were just talking to him.

Speaker 2 He's like that with anybody. It doesn't matter who you are or what you do.
He's interested in what you do. He's constantly talking to people.

Speaker 2 I mean, for 50

Speaker 2 years, he's been a fucking icon.

Speaker 2 And that's what happy looks like. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's surprising, though, because because he's so so recognizable you would think that somebody like him had developed a an ability maybe even a habit of seeming somewhat standoffish so that people didn't approach him but instead he's absolutely the opposite it's it's remarkable it's amazing he was self-aware enough to be grateful about that uh success so early on yeah and then he found arguably even bigger success with uh with barry um

Speaker 1 here what almost 50 years later and all the books that he wrote what do you want to do to to those books? Do you want to get them?

Speaker 2 Do you want to lease them? What do you want to do? You want to rent them?

Speaker 2 Do you want to

Speaker 2 buy

Speaker 2 the box?

Speaker 2 Are you too late for something? Do you have to go somewhere? What are you doing? Why are you on the way? See, I was going to do it instead of an A. I was going to do a Bay.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit.

Speaker 2 You guys are flying home today, huh? Yeah, we're on the same flight. Oh, that's Sean.
You're on it. All right.
Yeah. We're on the same flight.
Love you both so much. And an official bye.

Speaker 3 Bye, everybody.

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