"Jeremy Renner"

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Speaker 1 I started, you know what I started eating for breakfast? Just almonds. That's it.

Speaker 2 Just almonds? Yeah, just almonds.

Speaker 1 That's it. Literally.
Yep. Are you really eating just almonds for breakfast? Yeah, just almonds and maybe a yogurt thing.
Okay, well, so now it's also a yogurt thing.

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Speaker 2 Hey, cool, dad. Cool, dad.
You got the long-sleeve shirt on underneath the short-sleeve shirt today.

Speaker 1 Very, very 90s.

Speaker 1 It's a cold day for.

Speaker 2 So then why don't you just wear a long sleeve?

Speaker 2 Just wear a long-sleeve golf shirt.

Speaker 1 No, I don't have a long-sleeve golf shirt. So I have this, and I have the, and if I want to, I could take it out.

Speaker 2 Why don't you wear your short-sleeve golf shirt and just put a sweater over the top of it? Instead of doing the cool dad thing.

Speaker 1 I am. I've got a sweater and I'm going to have a shell because it's kind of rainy and it's very unusually cold for Los Angeles.
Really nice. And I'm teeing off at 1230.

Speaker 1 Wait, Tracy bought you both golf shirts.

Speaker 1 She did. Yeah.
They're here at the house. Oh, great.
Love her.

Speaker 2 Did she buy you anything?

Speaker 1 She did. Driving gloves for the golf cart? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 She drove me a set. She got me a new set of clubs.
So I'll see you guys later. You don't want to know who I'm playing with today.
I'm surprised you didn't ask me. Paul.
You're playing with Paul.

Speaker 1 Paul, you're playing with Paul. I'm playing Paul, but guess who else?

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Paul McClees. And then we'll have.

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Ah, I love him. The nicest man in the greatest guy ever in finance.

Speaker 2 Yes. Sure.
In many categories.

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You're going to play five today. Yeah.
No, we're going to play with you. We'll play with Paul, Dan, and Gareth.

Speaker 2 Oh, sorry. I'm not great with math.

Speaker 1 Evidently.

Speaker 2 So I'm very excited. I'm doing

Speaker 2 a home game today, recording

Speaker 2 from Los Angeles for the first time in a while.

Speaker 2 It feels nice. I've got a microphone on a stand now, you know, instead of a, it's just, I'm not comfortable with the New York setup.

Speaker 1 What if you came home, you've been away for a couple weeks, and then you just looked around and you just started started to notice like some of my stuff was there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Your underwear is in the sauna.

Speaker 1 That would be awful. That's disgusting.

Speaker 1 And you just notice Amanda's wearing an oversized shirt to bed, and you're like, hey, is that Will's shirt?

Speaker 2 Well, you know what? We're about a minute from that.

Speaker 1 I know.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 It's a show about people with more balls than a bowling alley.

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Speaker 1 Knoxville said that. He says,

Speaker 2 Knoxville said, right. Knoxville said it's called Pretty Sure I Can Fly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

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Speaker 1 From This American Life.

Speaker 2 From This American Life. It's about, yeah, these people that do things that have far more courage than the three of us put together would ever even dream of having.

Speaker 1 Well, thanks a lot. Right.
And unlike ours, it's that Pretty Sure I Can Fly is educational and inspiring.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

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Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a great podcast. Yeah, it's worth checking out.
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Speaker 2 All right. Huge apologies to our guests.
This has been much too long here for the Regis and Kathy Lee chatter. Um, here comes our guest.

Speaker 2 Um, I sadly, um, even though I'm in Los Angeles, I still have not written an intro. Wow, mostly though, because I just

Speaker 2 love this guy. I don't need to write an intro for him.
I know him. Um, he's he's uh a buddy of mine.
I think he's a buddy of both of yours as well, but um, I'm closer with him. Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 Um, we'll see. I'm a big, big fan of his work.
He's an enormous movie star, global,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 an even just bigger, all-time great guy.

Speaker 2 He's got some interesting things to tell us.

Speaker 2 I know you're going to love this hour. Everybody, ladies and gentlemen, it's Hollywood's Jeremy Renner.
Jeremy,

Speaker 2 come on out.

Speaker 2 There he is. Look at him go.

Speaker 1 Hollywood's Jeremy Renner. What's going on?

Speaker 2 This guy's a major movie star. You guys better tighten it up.

Speaker 1 Look at that.

Speaker 1 What's happening?

Speaker 1 What's up, man?

Speaker 2 I wish we were all together, actually.

Speaker 1 I know, right?

Speaker 2 I haven't, you know, seen some faces on the screen, but it's nice to hear you guys.

Speaker 1 Jeremy, you know where we're all together? Right here.

Speaker 2 Right here in the heart.

Speaker 2 I didn't see where you were pointing.

Speaker 1 I just realized

Speaker 2 I had to reboot my computer right before we started. All my questions are gone, but that's okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, I can start. I can start.
No, yeah, you go, you go ahead.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jared, first of all, welcome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, welcome. You look great.
Look at the guns already. The gunny.

Speaker 1 I mean, crazy.

Speaker 1 You're looking great.

Speaker 1 I follow you on Instagram as well, and I love all your positivity. What? Really? Yeah.
I love all the positive comments. You're always so warm and

Speaker 1 thankful and grateful to your fans and everybody with all the support, with all the tragedy that you've had. And you're doing so great.

Speaker 2 It's so good to see you well yeah you're busy at what mayor of kingstown's out now right uh it started june 2nd i think yes they're on the coming out coming out june 2nd yeah well when this airs it'll be out so unbelievable start to the season there jeremy yeah waiting

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 back on june 2nd the show came out yeah

Speaker 1 i'm seeing three the first time i ever saw you i just moved to los angeles and i started i don't know if you'd like to we can cut this if you don't want to talk about it but i watched this reality show called The It Factor.

Speaker 1 And it was like one of the first reality shows ever. And you were one of the actors they followed around to auditions and see about your career.
And I was, I loved the series.

Speaker 1 And I had another friend in it as well. And

Speaker 1 I remember you getting... Dahmer or something, playing Jeffy Dahmer, and then or SWAT, and you had to pick between the two or one of the two.
And I was like, oh my God, this guy's going to be so huge.

Speaker 1 And we're watching it in real time. You going on auditions and really going.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 that was a really random, random thing. I actually ended up doing that show because I did Dahmer already.
And we shot that movie in two weeks for like $100,000.

Speaker 2 So you didn't know what was going to happen with this tiny little movie. So I did it to kind of promote that.

Speaker 2 It turned into like this little Cinderella story because that movie came out. And then I got like, you know, William Morris, all these things happened.
And then

Speaker 2 like you said, yeah, the audition for SWAT and all these other movies started coming as like this sort of Cinderella story for a breaking actor, you know, in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that we watched it with, like, we were along for the ride with you.
It was really cool. I don't know that anybody would do that today.
Do you think anybody, that show would work?

Speaker 2 I don't know. It'd be hard to kind of catch that.
Does anybody know when?

Speaker 2 You're going to break or have any sort of rights.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean, think about all those things over the years where they've tried to like get behind the scenes or whatever, but to actually

Speaker 1 lock on to somebody, to an actor, and then have it pay off and actually become a big movie star. What are the odds? Yeah.
The odds are.

Speaker 1 And then, like, months later, it was like Jeremy Renner, you were this huge star and have remained since. So it was really exciting.

Speaker 2 You know, our buddy Sam Jones did a great documentary on Wilco called

Speaker 1 Bubble. Trying to Break Your Heart.
Trying to Break Your Heart, yeah.

Speaker 2 And the cameras were with Wilco while they were making Yankee Hotel Foxtrot or Foxtrot Hotel, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And the label dropping them because it was too challenging to listen to. And then they went to a different label or made their own.
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 But then it ends up winning the Grammy for best album of the year, I think. And like, I couldn't believe that cameras were there for that whole thing.

Speaker 2 It sounds like this is something similar.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you catch a little lightning in a bottle, you know? Yeah, but I mean, but building off of that, Jeremy, I mean,

Speaker 2 buddy, watching your career just explode right out of the gate and it has not stopped yet. I mean,

Speaker 1 first of all, Hurtlocker was just phenomenal.

Speaker 1 And everything you've done since, but that was like the thing. I remember just watching that and being like, who's this fucking dude? Who's this motherfucker? Yeah.
Taking all of his children.

Speaker 1 Rushing.

Speaker 1 Were you always so discerning from an early age in your career to be able to pick what gave you the strength to say no to certain things and not freak out about your paycheck and your rent?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I think that just, I don't know where exactly that comes from.
I know for me, it was being very clear and focused on what I wanted and also what I didn't want

Speaker 2 early on like I had did a lot of comedy stuff and I'm like God it wasn't trying to go down that road and I ended up that's why Domra was a great turning point for me to kind of go into darker sort of deeper sort of

Speaker 2 character roles and

Speaker 2 I just was just kind of clear and then if it did if I didn't connect to it it's an easy no no matter how much money i've turned down more money than i'll ever make in life right because i never did something for money That's great.

Speaker 2 And you have to be okay with yourself in that. In order to say no to money, like mind you,

Speaker 2 I mean, I think even during that It Factor show, I was turning down a lot of money and I had no power. I had no running freaking water.

Speaker 2 You know, so I thought you were living in the middle. But I'm living on $5 a month to eat.
Like it's yum, yum donuts. You know, you get like, you know, 13 donut holes, 14 donut holes for 99 cents.

Speaker 2 I'm crushing those for two weeks. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 You know, a donut hole a day.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's brutal, dude.

Speaker 2 But, you know, that when you know your

Speaker 2 experience are getting crowded,

Speaker 2 you know your limits, right? You know what

Speaker 2 you allow yourself to go. It's like, all right, well, I don't have to say yes to something just from money.
And so

Speaker 2 it gives me the power and the ball to say to no to things.

Speaker 1 I love that. And then Clint Barton comes along.
You're like, how much?

Speaker 1 Well, it wasn't numbers.

Speaker 1 I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 I'm kidding. So Hurt Locker happens.

Speaker 2 You get the Academy Award nomination. And

Speaker 2 is there then a waterfall of really great options for you that become somewhat problematic because you can't do them all?

Speaker 2 How do you go about picking through all the great stuff you're looking at then after that?

Speaker 2 I feel like the calendar filled up pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 I don't know. What was next? Was the town next?

Speaker 2 There's a town, yeah, was next.

Speaker 1 And Mission Impossible, and there's Mission Impossible, and then

Speaker 2 there's Avengers was booked, but it was shot later. And then it was Bourne, and then it was,

Speaker 2 there's Hanson Gretel, and then there was Mission Impossible. So it was like,

Speaker 2 all that happened probably within, you know, six months.

Speaker 2 And so they're all, for the most part, franchises, if you will. So like, I'm kind of, kind of booked up.
And so they all got scheduled.

Speaker 2 So your next, basically your three, four years, five years is booked. Yeah, it was like four years was, yeah, jammed up.

Speaker 2 I was gone for four years.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 And how did you deal with that, with being away from home, living out of a suitcase?

Speaker 2 I mean, that's a and all the fame too like that transition talk to us about that well it's actually interesting because you know i was kind of very excited to have the opportunities and by the time born was the the last thing that kind of came my way and had already signed on to advengers that's you know how many a decade of your life you have to sign on for it doesn't mean you're going to do it but you sign on for it right i'm going to be 50 years old in fucking tights right so that that's what i was having my conversation with with the team right so i'm like am i doing this am i really doing this?

Speaker 2 And then same with Mission Impossible. You know, I talk with Tom.
He's like, all right, well, we're going to do three of these. I'm like, okay, well, that's

Speaker 2 so my whole decade's booked for the most part, right? And then Bourne comes around and I'm like, oh, wow, I really creatively obviously love to do this.

Speaker 2 I loved everybody that was involved, love with Matt,

Speaker 2 what he did with it.

Speaker 2 But I had to really pause and say, let me think about this here. I'm kind of jammed up already.

Speaker 2 And this is also on the face of the thing too, kind of different than Mission Impossible. It's much more Tom and this type of thing.
So

Speaker 2 it was a, it was a quick 24-hour sort of thinking, you know, session on it, but I had to take pause on it. And it's all of that's very exciting, but I knew there's, I, I gave up a decade of my life.

Speaker 1 And yeah, and Jeremy, were you worried that when you make these decisions, did you ever go down there?

Speaker 1 Because I wonder if I would do it, like go like, yeah, today I want to do it, but am I, how am I going to feel five years from now if I'm locked in?

Speaker 2 We don't know that. We don't know.

Speaker 2 You can consider it, right? That's all you can do is consider it. And it's like, you're an idiot to say no to these things.
They're amazing opportunities. They're all quality franchises, if you will.

Speaker 1 At what cost?

Speaker 2 Yeah, at what cost will be something that will be determined later, you know? Yeah. And I knew I was going to miss a lot,

Speaker 2 but I knew that there was an end to it. Right.
And so I can like, let me go, let me, let me give it a go.

Speaker 2 And I, and yeah don't be wrong there were times where most of the time it was amazing yeah most of the time it was really great but then there was like you know you hadn't become a dad yet right yeah i wasn't a dad yet yeah and so That's why I can have a really good time.

Speaker 2 I was a single guy. I can just go out and just focus on work and see the world, right? And get paid to be in shape and all these amazing things, right?

Speaker 1 It was fantastic.

Speaker 2 But I did miss my family, right, that I'm very deeply close with. It's very large.
And so I had like four birthdays in a row with my assistant, who

Speaker 1 I'm on January 7th, and he was January 8th,

Speaker 2 and he's exactly a decade younger than me. So we celebrated our birthdays together like in a Ferrari in Abu Dhabi onto an F1.

Speaker 1 I don't know, which is great. I mean, you know.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 That's an episode of Will and Grace or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we actually shot it.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 It was a great thing, but you don't know

Speaker 2 what'll come down the road. It's a wonderful blessing.
And, you know, the perspective to take from that, I mean, I'd do the same thing all over again.

Speaker 2 know yeah I don't have the energy to do it now but right

Speaker 2 but the um the the schedule of those huge huge films with a lot of stunts and special effects the um the budget on those allows for a much slower movement um uh pacing as far as uh knocking down pages each day was that was that a big transition for you coming from from even I would imagine the hurt locker was was something that was not as highly budgeted as these things.

Speaker 2 What is that like, That snail's pace?

Speaker 2 Because sometimes on those stunt films, like Mission Possible, the degree of difficulty is just astronomical, and the stunt complexity and stuff where you're only shooting, like, you know, what the audience sees is maybe 10 seconds.

Speaker 2 It might take you a week to shoot that. Or three weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Mission possible, like that, the whole Burj Khalifa. How do you keep your focus and whatnot during that? Well, initially, I think the

Speaker 2 main difference is just craft services.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a bit different.

Speaker 1 Yeah, nice trailer.

Speaker 2 It's in the trailer sounds.

Speaker 2 But yeah, it does take longer. But, you know, a lot of it is like in the prep too for anything that's that physical.
When it's those physical movies, there's so much,

Speaker 2 you know, it's months and months of physical prep before you go do it.

Speaker 2 So then while you're doing it, you're training like an athletic team or an athletic sport. Yeah.
And you have to treat it as such. What was your favorite way in which to get in shape?

Speaker 2 Were you into the boxing?

Speaker 2 Were you into cardio were you into just uh cross training what uh i'm sure it's been a bunch of things you've been yeah yeah i think it depends on what the role really requires most of them you know like for for instance like the born born legacy that required the most um physical and

Speaker 2 so we had to train like uh all all sorts of uh mixed martial arts and yeah judo and just all the different things man it's all my so you get do you get you get like have those like training mishaps where you end up getting clocked in the face by the guy or you clock somebody in the face?

Speaker 2 I might have smashed a dude or two.

Speaker 2 Now, when you go over to something like American Hustle or Arrival, is that

Speaker 2 it must be nice where you don't have to wait around for a bunch of stunt stuff and effect stuff and you're doing much more sort of.

Speaker 2 Well, it's a different kind of acting on those films. Yeah, did you love that transition?

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I mean, it's just sort of, that's kind of more in the decision-making to do the job. You know,

Speaker 2 those are the easy ones with great directors and great writing and great characters. You can go in with a lot more cerebral, much more emotional context

Speaker 2 and characters and a lot more people to work with. And the other ones, like from the Avengers and Born and all those mission possibles,

Speaker 2 it's much more about the stunts and the...

Speaker 1 the physical stuff,

Speaker 2 which is fun.

Speaker 2 It's just a different muscle to use. And ideally, you're sort of switching back and forth, right? I think so.
I I mean, to keep it all interesting, right?

Speaker 2 I'm on the third season of Mira Kingstown, right? I've never done that before, repeated the same character. You've right done an Ozark and you're doing ships.

Speaker 2 And the pace of that, though, is much faster, right? That's enjoyable if there's momentum, yeah? Yeah, yeah. It's something interesting about it.
There's a controlled chaos in

Speaker 2 the television today, especially.

Speaker 1 You know, we're shooting.

Speaker 2 If she shoot like a film, like a 10-hour film, and a third of the time, you know, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2 How were you able to struggle through the really

Speaker 2 outrageously poor direction from a guy like Ben Affleck?

Speaker 1 How did you get through the town?

Speaker 2 It's just a miracle, the results that end up on the screen on his films.

Speaker 2 Was it?

Speaker 2 Well, just walk us through it. Yeah, yeah.
He's great, man.

Speaker 2 I remember meeting with Ben on that. And that's the first time I met him.
I'm like,

Speaker 2 I think my my first uh meeting with it with him sitting across i'm like how my first question to him was like how are you gonna direct this thing and act it and star in it yeah i mean you're kind of okay actor i mean how are you how you expect to direct and act in this thing

Speaker 2 kind of kind of with him he's cool easy you know he's a beast

Speaker 2 yeah and he's so damn smart man i working with him was was so so great

Speaker 2 and i really learned how i mean he gave me so much freedoms i mean he says we're not going to do dialects i've never been to boston in my life.

Speaker 1 You haven't

Speaker 1 know anything about it, right?

Speaker 2 And he's like, we're not going to do any dialect coaches. I'm like, okay, great.
Well, what the fuck am I going to do then?

Speaker 2 I'm like, all right, he introduced me to a bunch of people that just got out of prison and a bunch of armed robbers and all this shit, bank robbers.

Speaker 2 So I just hung out with these guys in the bars for a couple of weeks in town. And then.

Speaker 2 I kind of found the character and found what I was going to do.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's away. That's cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
So it was, it was, but if we didn't shoot in Boston, I would have been royally screwed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Um, yeah.

Speaker 2 But thank God, thank God we were there because all, all of my access to what I needed was there. Yeah.
And, uh, and then he's just one of the, he's so smart. And

Speaker 2 he just kind of let me do my thing. And

Speaker 2 at first, he would start, he would start to mouth my, my lines as I was acting with them.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I had to, I had to turn my head. I'm like, I'm going to smash this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 I'm going to smash this fucker.

Speaker 2 But it only pissed me off to like get me more in the mood with this guy.

Speaker 2 But it was like the very first scene we shot. And

Speaker 2 I don't think he did it after that anymore.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he was a great man.

Speaker 2 He really was so great. He was working his butt off, man.

Speaker 2 But I really was,

Speaker 2 I fell in love with him and

Speaker 2 have so much respect for him. He's just one of the smartest guys I know, actually.
He's really good.

Speaker 1 You know, it's funny. You watch those movies,

Speaker 1 specifically those Boston movies. And if you ask people from Boston, one of the things that they hate, and you guys did such a good job in that movie.

Speaker 1 And I've talked about this with Matt before, too.

Speaker 1 You watch other movies where people do Boston accents, and I'm not going to name them because there are a lot of really big names, really famous actors who've done big Boston movies, and the accents are fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 And people from Boston hate it. They get pissed off.
And if these people had any idea, and I'm talking big, shiny names. They come in there.

Speaker 2 Tell us what one of the names sounds like.

Speaker 1 It sort of rhymes with that. Dude, dude, let me say this, dude.
Fucking, you're not going to get me fucking classic, baby, trying to get me to say something about this.

Speaker 1 No, you know what? I fucking, I used to work, I work for fucking Dead and Fire Department. Fucking, my brother works for fucking Edison.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 No, fuck you.

Speaker 1 Wait, Jeremy, how did you become, how did you become Jeremy Renner, the guy we know today?

Speaker 1 Like when you, going back to the first thing we talked about today, when I was like, oh my God, I watched you and you coming up and you had all of this, this kind of chutzpah to just want to be great and and not worry about anything else but the art of it where did that come from were you a kid that was inspired by i gotta say shun you've had a lot of chutzpah to use the word chutzpah to be like with the extra

Speaker 1 where do you get a i mean you know johnny whitebread over here five

Speaker 1 of popping

Speaker 2 um i i didn't really discover acting until i was in college really

Speaker 2 yeah yeah and then theater so i i went in like with a criminology sort of idea i was going to study or

Speaker 2 computer science or some shit. And then took an elective.
And that's, I think I told you, I might have mentioned this to you, Jace, when we had dinner at Downey's, but I saw an elective

Speaker 2 when I was signing up for the courses. And acting was one of them.
I'm like, oh, I'll do this speech class. I'll try this acting thing.
The only thing that popped in my brain,

Speaker 2 what I knew about acting, was Michael J. Fox.

Speaker 2 And fucking you, Jace, right? Because he's shows, these fucking family ties and all these goddamn jobs. That's the only thing I knew.

Speaker 2 It's what I watched right yeah growing up right all those things so I'm like fuck I'll try I'll try that thing and uh went into it

Speaker 1 didn't feel yeah this fucker can do it I can do that shit

Speaker 2 no but that's just kind of what I watched with the kind of the I guess you know related to and then anyway fell in love with with theater and then started studying theater and psychology and just went and ran from there wow which is wonderful 18 19 and yeah just stuck with that well it's funny because you are you are such a sort of actor's actor, too.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, you've got like

Speaker 1 yeah, very natural. And you've got this thing, and you're really, you're very serious, and you can tell that you take your craft really seriously, and that you're very,

Speaker 1 you know, everything's well thought out. Nothing's by mistake.
You're not just hoping to get lucky in a take.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 so it's funny that it kind of came to you later because it seems like it's really such a, it comes so naturally.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, that just comes, I think that's the psychology sort of part of it. And you have to, I think there's a self-awareness and a confidence that, you know, that comes from doing stage.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's a, you see a lot of when people are stage actors, there's a, there's a, they hold, they hold it in their body a bit more. They're not just doing a scene or a thing.

Speaker 2 They kind of immersed in it in their

Speaker 2 body and spirit. Cause you have to do it for an hour and a half, two hours on stage, right? You have to really embody it.
longer than we do when we're doing television and film.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 Was music something

Speaker 2 that was sort of pulling at you as well? Did you have to sort of make a decision with yourself whether you were going to kind of put all your weight behind one or the other?

Speaker 2 No, no, I never considered music as a career. It was always

Speaker 2 a form of therapy, artistic

Speaker 1 sort of a hobby. Yeah, well, that's so much a hobby.

Speaker 2 I don't really believe in hobbies. I think you either do something, you don't.

Speaker 1 I don't have fucking time for hobbies. That's hysterical.
You know what I mean? Very good.

Speaker 2 I don't have time to just dip my toe in the water. I'm not taking a fucking bath here in life, right? It's dipping my toe in it.

Speaker 1 It's not happening. So come here and do something.

Speaker 2 Or yeah, yeah. You do it or you don't, right?

Speaker 1 So yeah, Jason, you dumb fuck. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 I didn't want to like be a player of music, right? I didn't want to be a guitar player or a drummer, which I am those things, or a piano player.

Speaker 2 I don't have the time or patience or even excellence or skill set to be able to do that. What I did want to do is be able to play the instruments to compose, to have a form of expression.

Speaker 2 Music is a wonderful form to express.

Speaker 2 And it's wonderfully shared as well.

Speaker 2 You can't really share poetry so much as you can with music. It's more uniting in its experience.

Speaker 2 And so I love music for that. And that'll always be near and dear to me and very important to me in my life.
But I don't want some record label saying, you got to do this, you got to do that.

Speaker 2 I'm like, fuck, or I have to do something.

Speaker 2 I do it it for the purity of it for me and the expression of it for me do you do you have time to to uh still play music with sons of the pioneers no no i i just i just do stuff uh in the studio yeah do stuff in the studio at this point and you know like i did i did for the um from after the accident i um put together an ep of a collection of songs that were about the life death and recovery of this last sort of 16 months of my life yeah or a year of my life and i put out the um

Speaker 1 the seven songs um on the anniversary of this year wow that's really heavy man I didn't know that yeah Jeremy I want to hear about that yeah me too and I can you can you talk a little bit about that I mean obviously we all you know heard the devastating news when when the accident happened and then

Speaker 1 of course that you that

Speaker 1 you sort of pulled through and obviously pulled through with colors now, but what a time in your life. And just walk us through that a little bit if you could.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'd like to know just personally, to add it to that, is like, what do you, it's a common question, I'm sure, but what do you see differently now that you're on the other side of it?

Speaker 1 We could have waited for him to answer that.

Speaker 2 I guess, I guess, yeah, I guess to answer that is like,

Speaker 2 yeah, no, don't start at the end like Sean's asking you to. Let's go with the beginning.
Let's help Tracy out in Wisconsin and tell her what you were doing and what happened

Speaker 1 and action.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look, it's

Speaker 1 it,

Speaker 2 it's, it's probably one of the greatest things that's happened to me in my life.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. And

Speaker 2 it's not just because it happened to me. It happened to, well, we're talking about it now because you guys are aware of it.
And so there's a lot of people around this planet.

Speaker 2 It became a very personal experience that happened on my property trying to save my nephew from being ran over by this snowplow and snow cap.

Speaker 2 But it's turned into not such a private. experience.
I didn't know why. I was already on life support.
I didn't, and while everybody else was getting, becoming aware of this incident.

Speaker 2 And then I wake up from it. I'm like, why is everybody freaking out? I'm fine.
I'm going to get out of this hospital in two days. I'm walking out of here.
It's been no problem. Yeah.

Speaker 2 At least that's what the drugs are telling me. You know, I must have been high as a kite thinking that, right? Yeah.
But

Speaker 2 there's such a, there's a unifying understanding of, or what was about to become knowledge of who I am as a man, a brother,

Speaker 1 a father,

Speaker 2 and a person, not famous for what I did for a living. You know, I'm not Hawkeye anymore.
I'm like, oh, this is Jeremy Renner, and he overcame this incident or is overcoming this incident.

Speaker 2 And there's something really fucking gratifying about that, where that changed my life.

Speaker 2 Because I didn't never like being a celebrity. I never liked, you know, being adored for, people call me Hawkeye, whatever.

Speaker 2 But being known for who you are as a human is really fucking cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Something you did completely on your own. I mean, obviously, the help of all the medical staff.

Speaker 2 People treat you differently. They treat me differently now.
They don't treat me like a fan of Hawkeye or whatever it might be.

Speaker 2 They're like, you know, here's an example.

Speaker 2 On March, like two months, three months after the accident, I took my daughter to

Speaker 2 the Magic Mountain in LA, right? In Valencia? Yeah. To write all these roller coasters.
I got cleared with all my

Speaker 1 things. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it was like, I had to take that little, the cart around, the little golf cart thing you have to drive around, you know, because I couldn't walk very far.

Speaker 2 I could maybe walk like, you know, 15, 20 feet. So I

Speaker 2 had to drive this cart around. But everywhere I went, and like, it wasn't like I was being quiet about it, you know, I was just being me.
I had boom box I brought, blasted music, having a good time.

Speaker 2 But I go up the line, right? They let me sort of go up in the front of the line. But like people were like, like it was Rudy, like slow clapping.

Speaker 1 And like, I'm glad you're okay.

Speaker 1 Like, it was such like a

Speaker 2 wonderful camaraderie. Like normally that situation would be like, oh, let me take something from you.
I want, I deserve a selfie. I want this.
I want this. Take, you know, touch me, whatever.

Speaker 2 Now it's like much more, there's a level of like, um, give.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was, it was, but you gave me, that's a wonderful shift that happened. That's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that because you've given so many people so much pleasure through your art and through what you do that that applause is thank you for that and we're so glad that the guy that we love is doing great it was it's really cool but also it's that that feeling just that getting that love right feels so good yeah it's it's it made me believe in in in the in goodness in people that i didn't fucking think existed yeah and i love that in a in in a big big way right not just a group of people and not just a couple people in my hometown or my neighborhood.

Speaker 2 This is like in a pretty global way that this is happening.

Speaker 1 I think people are, most, for the most part, people are good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, I believe that too.

Speaker 2 I just don't think they're in the right situations to have that come out. You're right.
But you had spent so much time being

Speaker 2 somewhat, I don't know if I'm using this word correctly, but somewhat objectified, you know, which is kind of built into the, baked into the cake. It's kind of what we do.

Speaker 2 We all have public jobs, and there's certainly nothing to be resentful about with that.

Speaker 2 But at your level, I'm sure you were just saturated with you being sort of approached and acknowledged as an object

Speaker 2 and that there's a bit of an ownership from the audience because of that. And basically, I can understand that.
But this was a different kind of acknowledgement.

Speaker 1 It was, you know, we're actually people.

Speaker 2 We're not looking at Jeremy as a commodity. We're looking at him as a human being.
And we could have died just like he almost died. All right.

Speaker 2 Well, also, they became allies.

Speaker 1 We were equals and they were my ally.

Speaker 2 They were the

Speaker 2 one, every

Speaker 2 thought or prayer, if you will, is something I actually needed. I needed everything to recover.

Speaker 1 Right. And when on Instagram, when I saw you post that video of you running, like, it was like one day you were...
the accident happened and

Speaker 1 it seemed like a week later, but I'm sure it was six months or a year later, you're jogging uphill this steep driveway. I was like, oh my God, I can't even do that.

Speaker 1 And I didn't get hit by a snowmobile.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Well, but hang on, Sean. What if we put

Speaker 2 a stir-fry thing right at the top of it?

Speaker 1 That's a good incentive. You'd get up.

Speaker 1 Maybe you would.

Speaker 2 Jeremy, you told me something

Speaker 2 at that dinner, and I hope you're comfortable relaying it on this.

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 2 a story about, you know,

Speaker 2 to sort of make it sort of the stupid description of it, of basically seeing the light and how

Speaker 2 there is an absolute um

Speaker 2 similarity if not identical type of experience that is uh repeated around the world from people that uh get this close to death and it it it the way you related to me was uh in a way that was so sort of

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 encouraging about possibly what that moment is to the point where i think i don't want to put words in your mouth but it it sounded like you no longer have as much a fear of death as you did before.

Speaker 2 And after hearing that story, I too share, I'm not looking forward to that moment, but I'm not as fearful of it as I once was. So to the extent you're comfortable, please.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, for me, I think most people have, I have a different relationship with fear. first and foremost, because I worked on it every day, something I was afraid of for a decade.

Speaker 2 So I just don't have a lot of fear in my life. I certainly wasn't afraid of death, but you can think that and believe that.
But it's a confirmation now.

Speaker 2 I found there's a lot of confirmations when you're tested to your limits into your death and come back.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of confirmations that come out of that.

Speaker 2 Because I can believe in XYZ, but now there's proof in the pudding because I went there. And yeah,

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 2 exhilarating peace that happens, you know, in you know, leaving this body, right, with this limitations of spinning on this rock and this body

Speaker 2 with air and gravity all this bullshit right it's but when you

Speaker 2 you're uh it's it's an exhilaration and it's such a freedom so you remember feeling that oh yeah yeah yeah feeling yeah really yeah yeah and i i i take that feeling with me all the time now it's it's wow it's you can't really put a visual to it because it's there's no time place or space it's all sort of a continuum every human every every exchange that's happened is happening simultaneously all at once.

Speaker 2 It kind of has a little bit of that arrival kind of vibe in it. It's like everything's all at once and it's a continuum.
And it's fucking exhilarating as it is peaceful at the same time. Wow.

Speaker 2 It's the greatest way I can describe it. Now, now, you really did see the light that everybody talks about, yeah?

Speaker 2 It's a, yeah, to me, it was, it's a sort of fibrous, like a muscle fibrous sort of connectivity to all.

Speaker 2 It's all energy, right? So I guess that's the feeling that it is. I can't even say it's a visual because I don't feel like any of that's there.

Speaker 1 Wow. Now, isn't it true that like science, like

Speaker 1 Will, you were telling me or something about like you can rec science has discovered a way to create that with certain drugs or circumstances where you can that that same do you know what I'm talking about like that same light or something?

Speaker 2 Will were you trying to sell Sean something out of the back of your van at that moment?

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Speaker 2 Jeremy, in all seriousness,

Speaker 2 you know, that is, thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 1 Because that's

Speaker 2 reminded me of some of the specifics of what you were saying there. And

Speaker 2 it is,

Speaker 2 you know, I don't know if encouraging is the right word, but

Speaker 2 it does confirm for me some of the things I hope that moment is. And well, you have to understand, too, this, right? Your body, like the accident, right,

Speaker 2 could be the most excruciating pain that someone could go through, right? It's just 38 broken bones, my eyeballs out of my head. I'm looking at my eye.
I'm looking at my twisted legs.

Speaker 2 And all these things. But I'm like, the pain is like really not that bad.
Your body kind of shuts it. shuts it down.

Speaker 1 It's like overload, right?

Speaker 2 It's a just a small part in the front of your brain where you feel pain, right? So you can kind of control that as well.

Speaker 2 And so it's interesting.

Speaker 2 Thuck, I got lost because I got so many

Speaker 2 from that accident in my brain. I get a little sick track.

Speaker 2 Well, so the pain, the pain is overwhelming, but the brain then has, it shuts that down, but it is also still working and has an opportunity to experience the other stuff that you're going through, which it sounds like

Speaker 2 this was the big thing that it chose to deal with, which was this opportunity to transition to whatever happens after the body stops working anymore.

Speaker 2 And you're sort of experiencing what that moment is. And do you remember having

Speaker 2 a decision to make? Were you in control of whether you were going to go forward or return back? I mean, I was in control of

Speaker 1 my breath.

Speaker 2 And that's all I had to focus on. Because if you can't breathe, then nothing else is going to matter.
I can't, you know, so I had to focus on

Speaker 2 exhaling so I can then inhale and had a pop lung and all this stuff I didn't know. And the thing's still on top of you right then, right?

Speaker 2 No, I was, I was, that it rolled off, it rolled completely over me. And then it,

Speaker 1 yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's brutal. Right.
But

Speaker 2 the, yeah, this conscious breath. Conscious breath is pretty important.
And, you know.

Speaker 2 Like you said, there's nothing to freaking worry about at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 You know, and I can confirm that. We all have something to look forward to, whether we use God to get there, right? Or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 But it's something to look forward to, and it's blissful, and it's beautiful. And

Speaker 2 there's accountability and responsibility that comes along with it. And you take it all with you, man.

Speaker 1 Everything's amazing.

Speaker 2 You're connected. You're connected all the time to

Speaker 2 all you want to be connected to.

Speaker 2 Everyone on this planet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It is all

Speaker 2 one thing. It's no fucking joke.
It's all energy. Hello.

Speaker 1 Jeremy, did you have, I mean, this shift in perspective is remarkable, I'm sure. And I can see the weight of it.

Speaker 1 And I can't appreciate it the way that you can, obviously.

Speaker 1 But has this,

Speaker 1 I imagine, and you kind of touched on it, but talk a little bit about what that shift in perspective has done for you in practical terms on a day-to-day level.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the clarity.

Speaker 2 I think everyone is conspiring to keep my life lean and keep the white noise out.

Speaker 2 I feel that life is just a lot easier, even though on paper,

Speaker 2 it's much more difficult to have to spend hours just so I can walk every day. You know, I have to do all this stuff.
Still?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But

Speaker 2 I'm in good shape, but

Speaker 2 I don't have pain.

Speaker 2 I have to do just a bunch of stuff and who cares? I'm still walking, right? They told me I wasn't going to walk, walk but I think my life being so lean and and

Speaker 2 it's uh been the best gift yeah I imagine you don't sweat the small stuff anymore no yeah and it wasn't really a guy that did but again it's another one of the sort of confirmation kind of things it's like right the things that were working for me before I really just double down on and um whether like it's you know spending time with those it's like like you Jason how much you love your your family and want to spend time with your family and whatever it is you you know you just you just do the things that you love to do and like i was really terrible at doing stuff for myself

Speaker 2 and and asking for help now i'm really good at asking for help because jesus christ i needed all the help i can get that's good right and then so i have no problem asking for help and um i spend so much time on myself and self-care i'm like look i've got hydrogen water i got all these like shots i got liposonal thought even right here right i got this all this stuff i'm doing so many good things for my body so i honor this vessel that i'm living in right now so So great.

Speaker 2 Like life is just wonderful because, again, it's so clean and simple.

Speaker 1 And I love it. Sean feels the same.
Sean, you got a lot of help for the Frito-Lay Company. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They do a lot of work with you. Well, they know what I need.

Speaker 2 They make the bags a little bit easier to open.

Speaker 1 The McConnell Ice Cream Company also is one of your. Hagen does.
Hagen does. Hagen does.
Sure. But, Jerry, you know what?

Speaker 1 You know, the whole thing, such an inspiration to never give up, to keep going, to take the worst things in life that come after you and you come out on top. All of it.

Speaker 1 I mean, it really, I saw, I'm saying, I saw that video. I was like, God, he can come through that.
I got to get off my ass and just take better self of my vessel. Yeah.
Well, you will one day.

Speaker 1 Jeremy, talk a little bit, if you will, about, because you kind of mentioned it about this sort of this creative, this sort of, we're all connected,

Speaker 1 this sort of

Speaker 1 collective consciousness that is a lot more sort of real and visceral than we think of, rather than just an idea in your relationship with maybe God even or higher power or whatever that is.

Speaker 1 Where do you land on all that stuff? And you guys too, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, my dad is a theologist. So I mean, I studied all religions growing up.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. That's a cool.

Speaker 2 I've been in tents with snakes and I've been in, you know, all of them.

Speaker 1 Studied them all.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I find them all, I found them all interesting.

Speaker 2 Organized religions never ended up being my bag, but I think because of it.

Speaker 2 But I do believe that in anything that

Speaker 2 believe in anything that makes you a better person, a more thoughtful person, a conscious person yeah i think that's great and amen um so i i got no problems with with religion in general but yeah um so i i land i look i at some point during during in my recovery i know i know i had to give up my body to like the emts and the people on when i was on the ice for 45 minutes right

Speaker 2 just struggling for my next breath and that's where i passed and they had to you know jam a needle in my chest and do all that stuff inflate my lung i i gave myself up to them to have to work on whatever they had to do to get me to survive.

Speaker 2 But I think there's all, because also those, I knew the guy that

Speaker 2 was working on me, and he called one of my best friends who's a firefighter. He says, you're going to want to get to the hospital.
Cause I just took off on a med-a-fact flight to the to the hospital.

Speaker 2 And he called my buddy who's a firefighter. He's like, I just worked on Jeremy.
I want to say we did the best we could. And he's like, there's no way this fucker's going to make it.

Speaker 2 So he went to the hospital and said he'd want to get there, go be with his sister or whatever.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 2 when those guys say you don't have a chance, right? So I think there's some fucking divine intervention, is the shortest.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, guys.

Speaker 2 I don't know. There is no answer to that.
I think the divine intervention is fucking thoughts and prayers, if you will, from others.

Speaker 1 It's the will of those doctors.

Speaker 2 Like, look at this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 We're going to work extra hard or die.

Speaker 2 Whatever the, like, I, my will, right? My will is fucking

Speaker 2 it's

Speaker 2 strong for me to say that and I think there's others that energy goes into others that were help

Speaker 2 all those EMTs and the firefighters that were there saving my ass and sheriff department all those guys that were there to save my ass right all connected yeah it's all connected man so as hard as I was working I think that bleeds into others and they're worked harder and I think every you know flower that came in every nurse that you know changed a bet whatever the heck it is man that's all like love and all working towards surviving yeah and let that be divine the the collective divinity of humans right which i think is brilliant and good the energy of human yes i agree and uh i think that's what the divine intervention is ultimately i don't it's i don't think it's some god or some guy coming down on a carpet or whatever you know it's none of these kind of things i just think it's an energetic thing and that and it's like i can define it as love you know that's maybe what divine intervention is for me that helps me survive.

Speaker 2 I think that fucking continues, right?

Speaker 2 Us just sitting here talking about it. I'm sure thoughts of thoughts are swirling in all of our heads as we're talking, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you make me think about what an incredible opportunity everybody has to plug into that

Speaker 2 network of connectivity.

Speaker 2 100%. Where

Speaker 2 it is available to all of us, and it is labeled different things at different times. Sometimes it's love, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's collaboration, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 But we're all here and we all kind of come from the same thing. And

Speaker 2 that whole sort of one plus one makes three equation is, again, it's available to us all.

Speaker 2 And sometimes I have days where I've got the courage to plug into it and leave myself open to the input from other people.

Speaker 2 And some days I don't, you know, and and the days that I do have that courage and that openness and that vulnerability and that that uh humanity sort of draw, those days are great for me.

Speaker 2 And and things you just feel like you're in a slot and shit just happens. You get the parking spot in front of the building you're going to, you make the green light, like all of that silly stuff.

Speaker 2 But I don't think that's coincidence. I think it's those are the days when you're really open to this community.

Speaker 1 But Jay, there's also the idea.

Speaker 1 There's an idea to, first of all, I love plugging into a slot, but I would say I would say that's just OCD but but I would say this I would say you know those days when it also

Speaker 1 what for me anyway my experience is it's really important to whatever energy I'm putting out there whatever I'm putting in the world I'm going to get back and what you were saying like finding the open spot or whatever if you're if I'm driving on the highway or if I'm driving around Los Angeles, I'm going, look at this asshole and fuck this guy and whatever, every asshole is going to show up in my experience.

Speaker 1 But if I surrender, and there's a lot of surrender in what you're talking about, Joey.

Speaker 1 Throughout everything you've said, there's a lot of surrender and giving up. And if I surrender and go,

Speaker 1 I'm not in that much of a rush. That's not going to make that much.

Speaker 1 Let the guy go ahead of me. And then you know what starts happening? Everything starts opening up.

Speaker 1 Because if I keep going, fuck, fuck, fuck, and every bad, eventually somebody's giving me the finger on the 405. Guaranteed.
That's a lock.

Speaker 1 But if I start just opening up and just going, taking my foot off the gas and surrendering, and that goes for every aspect of my life.

Speaker 1 I find it all the time i try to do it in little things it's not easy i call it like sort of spiritual calisthenics just doing things i'm just putting out good vibes as much as i can sometimes i'll just show up to your house and give you the finger like when you're out of the door yeah you tell me one time one time sean woke me up in the middle of the night shaking me i opened my eyes and he was just giving me the finger and he's like you yeah that's helpful i love that visual yeah but i but you know what i mean i think that there's a lot to that and and and i'm and i'm feeling like you the energy that again not to sound too freaking hokey, people are going to be like, hey, but

Speaker 1 you can feel it. You've got this kind of vibe that you're putting out there, which is sort of a loving, positive vibe.

Speaker 1 So it's no surprise that that's what showed up in your experience. And now, does that translate into like how you approach, sorry to get back to this stuff, but how you approach work now?

Speaker 1 Or is it still the same?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 I think it's... You know, I was very terrified to get because

Speaker 2 to do like fucking fiction.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm still trying to live in reality

Speaker 2 right so it was it was it was a hard line for me to cross your shit got real and then your job is to be fake yeah yeah yeah so it's like wow man it was a it was a big stretch it was very very challenging for me mentally to get to get over that hump to like and I still struggle it sometimes I'm like I don't I don't take it super seriously and I'm in a character that I can do very well and I know the show very well so it was easy for me to kind of slide back into it but it was a very challenging role,

Speaker 2 I couldn't have taken it.

Speaker 2 There's no, not challenging in the sense of it because this movie's the show is challenging, but it's that, you know, if I had to go play Dharma or something, you're like something so far from me.

Speaker 1 It's a spiritual space.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just, I just don't have the energy for it. I don't have the fuel.

Speaker 2 I have so much fuel to put into like this reality, this body, all this stuff. I can't just go play make make believe right now.
I got because it takes a lot of time

Speaker 2 to get right here every day, just just so I can, you know, have a positive thought, so I can progress, so I can always keep growing.

Speaker 1 Well, listen to me, you need to write books because I'd read pages.

Speaker 2 I am writing one right now, actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, you are? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fucking good. I'm writing one right now, and I'm just going to spend the whole summer doing it.
Hopefully, I can get it out maybe by the year's end or beginning of next year.

Speaker 1 Amazing.

Speaker 2 But, you know, having experiences like this, you know, I speak to a lot of different people, but always something new comes out. And I always learn something new in the process and the questions.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it seems like you really light up when you talk about this, which again, like you said, it's part of the gift of that happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 You said it was the best thing that's ever happened to you. Yeah, yeah, it's wonderful gifts.
And it'll be, you know,

Speaker 2 something passed on I'll have with you guys forever, right? It'll our exchanges will always have a basis of this, a wink, a wink to knowing, to the knowingness of something. Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 And we can laugh at all the jokes we want and fart and do all, you know, go play golf terribly and wherever it is, but we know that there's a, there's an underlying current of connectivity to something.

Speaker 2 Yes. And it's something beautiful.
Yeah. And you've and you've had that experience firsthand and you have very, very generously shared that with not only us, but

Speaker 2 the people listening. And if they're like me,

Speaker 2 they will hold on to it. forever because you know our mortality is something that we can kind of compartmentalize for a while but if you're on the second half like like us guys are,

Speaker 2 it starts to become a little bit more a part of your thinking day to day. And you've given me a lot more comfort for what the inevitable is.
And I really, really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. Yeah.
And Jeremy, I really mean it. It sounds cheesy to say it, but thanks for the lessons today.
And I mean that.

Speaker 1 Like, wow. I mean,

Speaker 1 all the stuff that you're talking about, I'm now going to be, like you said, I'm not going to be thinking about it for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 Because there's people say the same things in different ways, but they don't land all the time. And a lot of the stuff you said today really landed.

Speaker 2 Well, thanks, brother. That means it's just a shared experience then, right? This is not a lesson.
It's just, these are just shared experiences. And

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 I love this sort of the shift in perspective.

Speaker 1 It's pretty amazing. And as somebody once said,

Speaker 1 it's really hard to get a new perspective if you can't get perspective.

Speaker 1 Like it's like if you can't just allow yourself to have it, it's hard to get it. And anyway, I really feel it from you, man.

Speaker 1 And before you go, please do another, do a sequel to Arrival, please.

Speaker 1 It's called Departure.

Speaker 1 That's really fun.

Speaker 2 Jeremy, thank you so, so much for your time today and your level of

Speaker 2 transparency

Speaker 2 with what your experience has been.

Speaker 2 It's been a real gift. So thank you, buddy.
Yeah, man. I love you guys, man.
Appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 Love you too, Jeremy. You too, brother.
Thanks for watching. Well done, man.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 Fucking killer. Thanks, pal.

Speaker 1 Hope I see you soon pal yes sir thanks Jeremy have a good day see you man thank you dude all right my man bye buddy see you guys

Speaker 1 well I I hope

Speaker 2 enlightening yeah that that's that that story I mean the whole interview was uh was really enjoyable but uh man I just can't tell you how how I have held on to that what he told me at dinner and I'm so appreciative that he shared it with all of us today because if you're like me it's kind of, it's just sort of a nice thing to have in your back,

Speaker 2 you're in your pocket that it might not.

Speaker 1 If you see that train coming. Well, I mean, it's going to happen to all of us.

Speaker 2 Everything that's born lives to, or what is it? Everything that lives was born to die, something like that. I think it's a Pink Floyd line, but we're all going.
And what is that moment like?

Speaker 2 I hope it's not. terrible.
I hope it's not sad. I hope it's not painful.
It sounds like it's not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shit. Yeah.
Shit. I got some fucking bad.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. I'm ready.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I know how both you guys die. What? Uh-oh, what? How do you know? Is it painful?

Speaker 1 It's interesting. It is a little painful.

Speaker 1 How do you know this? Have you ever seen... Okay, have you? Because I just did that.
Okay, you remember the movie? You know that story about that Chilean rugby team? Sure, sure, yeah. So you guys are.

Speaker 1 Fuck, it's so crazy. Anyway, you guys end up shipwrecked, you and Sean, the two of you.
Shipwrecked? And fucking Sean eats you, dude.

Speaker 2 Does he season me at all?

Speaker 1 You guys get shipwrecked, and it's just the two of you. Well, then how do I die?

Speaker 1 In a big container of mayo.

Speaker 1 But if I eat Jason, well, how do I die? Well, you die because, no, because, yeah, because it's, it's he's so malnutring he's so malnourished

Speaker 1 that it that it ends up poisoning provides no new

Speaker 2 no nutritional value at all to my body body goes into a shock no jokes on me

Speaker 1 well i just want to say about jerry he was so great he's a perfect example of following your heart and good things happen period you know yeah just like i love that such a good guy

Speaker 1 yeah he really is and and honestly, it is true. When you hear him, this is what we've talked about before, which is he's clearly had a shift in like

Speaker 1 what validates him as a person is not about

Speaker 1 what he does for a living,

Speaker 1 but who he is as a person. And you separate those things.
And it's so true. And because it's so easy, especially doing what we do, to peg your...

Speaker 1 your feeling of success or success as a human being to what you do. And that is your wealth.
Yeah. What he's saying.

Speaker 2 No, no, the wealth is the...

Speaker 1 it's not. It's not.
It's the living. It's the relationships that you have with other people.
And he said that that connection with other people is really the thing that got him through.

Speaker 1 So that's pretty,

Speaker 1 yeah, pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 Well, that was, that was a, that was a, it was a nice episode, y'all.

Speaker 1 It was real nice.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry to learn that my life comes to an end with Sean taking a big bai

Speaker 1 out of me.

Speaker 1 Bye.

Speaker 1 Bye.

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