"Penelope Cruz"

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Speaker 2 I know your camera's tilted a little down, and I'm noticing your legs. You're wearing some shorts today.

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Speaker 1 By the way, first of all, let me just say 40 degrees outside.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Why do you wear shorts?

Speaker 2 Have you not been outside the house to do drop-off at all today?

Speaker 1 Thanks again. I just want to say, for me, it's hard to take so much credit.
Obviously, the man upstairs sculpted these babies, but wait, you live in a duplex?

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Speaker 2 Fucking Will, dude. That looks badass.

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We have Will audio. Shawnee joining.
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I might do it. I might keep it.
I don't know.

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Speaker 1 Nice. Jesus.
It's all about it.

Speaker 2 It's fucking bone structure. How do you get fucking bone structure with a haircut?

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. I guess it's just...

Speaker 1 Hang on. I looked at it before.
Genetics. Genetics.

Speaker 2 Genetics. Sorry.

Speaker 1 That was really good.

Speaker 1 Fucking great. Really good.
I love seeing you, JB,

Speaker 1 in the full vest,

Speaker 1 in the down vest. This

Speaker 2 oh no I just this is just carpool drop-off or whatever you call it school drop-off what are these these kids what are my kids names yeah I know what's the young one tell me the young one's name

Speaker 1 that's your drop-off

Speaker 2 fresh back from drop-off yeah this is post drop-off pre-shower

Speaker 2 pre-G4 handsome golf outfit Oh, so you do have golf?

Speaker 1 So you're going to take a shower before?

Speaker 2 I will be taking a shower. Yes, getting it all nice and powder dry, clean.

Speaker 1 You know our buddy Skip, Bronson.

Speaker 2 Skip Bronson. Saw him yesterday swinging it over there.

Speaker 1 He claimed that we're the visor twins.

Speaker 2 I do like a visor. Yeah.
I like a visor because I feel like this big, dumb head of crazy hair can't fit into a cap nowadays.

Speaker 1 I like your new look, by the way. We were talking about it.
Jay, your new look is sort of rugged, right?

Speaker 2 They were both trying on some new looks for parts coming up. I'm supposed to be looking like an ex-drummer, drug addict, loser, and I'm really kind of nailing it with this stupid long hair.

Speaker 1 You look like I'm playing a hooligan, like a soccer hooligan. Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean? What do I look like I'm playing?

Speaker 1 You look like I'm playing like a...

Speaker 2 Be nice, well.

Speaker 1 Like a 53-year-old Illinois house husband.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's a family after-school special about a 50-year-old that's going back to elementary school because he just didn't get fifth grade right.

Speaker 1 And body swaps. There's going to be a body swap, right?

Speaker 1 I love a body swap.

Speaker 2 JB. He's got a lunch pail.
Yeah, I did a body swap movie. Me and Ryan Reynolds pissed into a magic fountain, and you know what happens.

Speaker 1 And then you decided to do a movie together? What happened?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 this guy, he's really on me today.

Speaker 1 He's getting me, huh? Sean, you got some text coming through, Sean, you want to just take care of that? I'm trying to find the photo of

Speaker 1 my shaved head.

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Speaker 1 Is that their tagline? It's fantastic. Boy, they didn't put a lot of thought into that.
It's terrific.

Speaker 2 It is. It's dynamite.
It is very good.

Speaker 1 I do want to speak to you. What have you got today? I want to speak about dynamite because this, our guest today is

Speaker 2 dynamite.

Speaker 1 Well, nothing short of dynamite. Let me just say that much.
And I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 She's explosive. We do know it's a she.
I heard a giggle, and I heard some jewelry on the clap.

Speaker 1 Oh, you did? Yeah, I heard a gig. Yep.
You heard a gig, too. Now, where is everybody hearing all these gigs?

Speaker 2 Well, we've got actual headphones on. You've got two nazzy earbuds.

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. I just, I don't know how I missed the gig anyway.

Speaker 1 This is something.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, this is so good. Yeah, take your time.
Well, I was just going to say, so we get a lot of earlier.

Speaker 1 We get

Speaker 1 impatient. She's got to get to it.
She is ready. She's a saga.
She's ready. I'll tell you why she's ready.

Speaker 1 Because this is somebody who's got, you know, we've had award-winning actors and actresses and performers and directors. But imagine being nominated for four Academy Awards and winning one.

Speaker 1 Imagine it. Imagine being nominated for two Baptists and winning one.
Imagine being nominated for

Speaker 1 Emmy, four Golden Globes, five SAG Awards.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Are you starting to get what I'm throwing down, you guys? Yeah, I mean.
Are you starting to get that?

Speaker 1 Because this person has done some of the greatest, biggest films of all time, some of the most cool, independent films, thought-provoking films. She's done it all.

Speaker 1 She is somebody that I have admired for a long time, me and the rest of the world. I don't know how else to say, other than to say, guys,

Speaker 1 it's Penelope Cruz. Oh,

Speaker 1 wow. Can you believe it? I mean,

Speaker 1 this is royalty on

Speaker 1 royalty.

Speaker 1 Look at her go.

Speaker 1 Film royalty. Hi.
Hi.

Speaker 3 What an amazing presentation. I don't think I deserve that, but thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh. It's absolutely true.
Hello, all of it's true. Nice to meet you.
Good morning.

Speaker 2 Yeah, really.

Speaker 1 Nice to meet you, too. Nice to meet you.
Thank you for joining us. Wow,

Speaker 2 where do we, we're not in your bedroom, we're in a hotel room. Are we not?

Speaker 1 Where are we?

Speaker 3 This is actually not my bedroom. This is a room where they brought me to do the interview.

Speaker 2 Where are you?

Speaker 2 You're doing some press?

Speaker 3 We are in a hotel for a couple of days here in LA. Yeah.
I'm going back home soon.

Speaker 1 She's doing,

Speaker 1 Penelope, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're here doing press for Ferrari, your new film that you've done with Michael Mann. Is that true?

Speaker 1 Yes, which is fantastic. And we had the pleasure of meeting one of your co-stars, Adam Driver, and we're very excited for Ferrari.
Yeah, I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 1 But I'm really excited to talk to you, Penelope, about just what an incredibly diverse career that you've had, that you've carved out.

Speaker 1 And I kind of want to touch on something. I'm so excited you're here, by the way.
I want to talk about...

Speaker 1 This is wild. There's a story that I picked up on.
I saw an interview you did with Terry Gross on Fresh Air, and it really piqued my interest.

Speaker 1 And guys, I don't know if you know this, and I'd love for you to speak to this. You talk about you were a big fan of Pedro Almodivar, right?

Speaker 1 Fantastic fan, the great Spanish filmmaker. And you would tell your friends you were putting yourself in a position to see him.

Speaker 1 You're not necessarily waiting outside his house, but you would go to restaurants. Also, also, I did.
But you did wait outside his house. That's not me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a couple of times. Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 A couple of times. And then would go to bars and restaurants and wait.
And your friends thought you were insane. And you said, Believe me, I have this connection and it will happen.

Speaker 1 Can you talk to us a little bit about that?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 I know for a lot of people it can sound weird. And also, it sounded crazy to him when I told him for the first few years he didn't believe me.

Speaker 3 And then a lot of things like that started to happen between him and I.

Speaker 3 and and I think by now like 30 years later he believes me and we have a very special connection and I was a huge fan of his work you know I didn't have a theater a cinema near where we lived

Speaker 3 because we lived outside Madrid and I developed love for movies and different actresses and directors through

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 Beta Max machine that my father and my mother bought when I was like a kid.

Speaker 3 You remember how heavy and big the Meta Max was? So I asked them to give me a copy of

Speaker 3 the card for the video store. And I was there every afternoon after school and after my homework and my dance classes, what I wanted to do is be alone and watch a movie.

Speaker 3 If I liked a movie, I would watch it 20 times in a row, like really study that film. And that's how I discovered Pedro and Spielberg and Scorsese and Billy Wilder.

Speaker 1 So what were some of those movies that you would watch 20 times, like that you loved, loved, loved as a kid?

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 I always knew I wanted to act, but I had no,

Speaker 3 apart from the couple of hours that I spent doing classical ballet, that was like very hardcore, but at the same time, it was a way of acting and a way to release that need that I had of

Speaker 3 visiting and

Speaker 3 investigating different ways of being and different realities.

Speaker 3 I think I would have been very damaged if I didn't have that.

Speaker 3 But then I discovered that that was like a window to the world, you know, like I could dream about

Speaker 3 what that life would be like or this or that and put yourself in somebody else's shoes. And I felt like this is what I want to do in my life.
I don't know how.

Speaker 3 I didn't know anybody related to the business, anybody that could make a living out of something related to arts.

Speaker 3 When I said that to my parents, it was like saying, I want to be an astronaut.

Speaker 1 It was very

Speaker 3 surreal for them. I just appreciate that they didn't invalidate me.
They didn't laugh. They said, you can try if that's what you want.

Speaker 3 We will pay your dance classes and then your theater classes, but have a plan B because probably this won't work. So

Speaker 3 through that Betamax machine, I started planning.

Speaker 1 But I mean, imagine that. I mean, you say that, right? It's like saying to your parents, I want to go live on the moon.

Speaker 1 You grew up in a small town outside of Madrid. You don't even have a theater, and all your connection to films is through renting Betamax tips.

Speaker 1 But you have this dream, and lots of people have dreams that they want to do this, I want to do that. But the follow-through is so precise to the point that you're like, you identify.

Speaker 1 Well, Sean had asked, like, what were the films that really inspired you? And I do want to get to that, but you identify specifically as you get older that you know that you want to connect to Pedro.

Speaker 1 Yes. And that you're like

Speaker 1 the follow-through, and like you said, for some people it might seem weird, but you knew that there was something there.

Speaker 2 You thought you were pretty confident that, like, once he meets me, I know we're going to have a connection. He seems like the kind of guy I would get along with.

Speaker 2 And you just

Speaker 2 put yourself in front of him?

Speaker 3 Yeah, not because I thought I was good, just because I thought that he saw the world in a very similar way to the way that I saw it since I was a little girl. And

Speaker 3 actually,

Speaker 3 I got into one of the

Speaker 3 sets without permission when I was 14. And he was doing,

Speaker 3 no, when I was like 15, 16, he was doing high heels and he was shooting with Victoria Vril, one of my favorite actresses. And I just walked in, nobody stopped me.
I sat very close to the monitor.

Speaker 3 Nobody said anything.

Speaker 3 And he looked at me and I said, oh my god, he's gonna say something.

Speaker 3 He just looked at me for a few seconds like if, like, do I know you? We know each other. That was enough for me for that day to be able to spy, you know, and be there for a couple of hours.

Speaker 3 But then when, when,

Speaker 3 because he was the one, like you said before, such a specific dream. He was the one that I wanted to meet, to thank, and to be able to maybe one day work with him.
So when I did my first two movies,

Speaker 3 I got that phone call. My two first movies were very different from each other, Belle Poc and Hamon Hamon.

Speaker 3 And I was very lucky to have that presentation card because the characters were like day and night and that was important to come to start that way. And somebody said to me, Almodovar is on the phone.

Speaker 3 And I was drawing my hair preparing for classes and I said, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Almodovar is on the phone.

Speaker 3 And it took me like five minutes to react because I thought, how can

Speaker 3 is it for real that dreams so specific can become a reality and he was there and his voice was like oh this old friend that i haven't seen for a long time and the connection was instant i lied to him about my age uh we did the casting for the movie it was not appropriate for my for my age the the movie so the casting was just a conversation about like really how old are you i know you are lying to me yeah so i said yeah actually yes i'm i'm

Speaker 3 I'm like at that point, I think 18. He said, this character has to be at least 25 or 30, but I will write a character for you

Speaker 3 in my next film. And he did.

Speaker 1 Jesus. And this is admitting.
Imagine getting that call, Sean. It would be like you if they're like, Sean, craft macaroni and cheese is on the phone.
And you'd be like,

Speaker 1 dreams come true. Kraft macaroni and cheese is not on the phone.
Like, if you have a specific change,

Speaker 1 he loves food, Penelope.

Speaker 1 Me too.

Speaker 1 So, Penelope,

Speaker 2 what about when you filled him in on this on this?

Speaker 1 Did he remember that

Speaker 2 you've been following him around?

Speaker 2 Was he charmed by that? Did he laugh at that?

Speaker 1 Did he remember you being at the monitor when you were 15?

Speaker 3 No, not that. But then I told him, look, one time at the cinema, I told my friends that I was going to find you that day.

Speaker 3 And it was just a random cinema by the time that I was able to go to the cinema alone when I was older.

Speaker 3 And my friend couldn't believe it because by the end of the movie, we came out and he was there in the street. And a lot of things like that.
At the beginning, he was looking at me like, yeah, right.

Speaker 3 Okay, you are very young and you are believing all this. But now he does.
You can ask him. And now he does.
Like,

Speaker 3 these things happen between him and I that's cool so how many films have you done with him now seven seven and and I hope many more I just talked to him this morning

Speaker 3 he's one of the greatest he's one of the loves of my life you know he's he's much more than a director I work with he's family yeah sure of course hilarious and you have to invite him

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 he would make you laugh so much it would be like a dream come true he's one of the great directors and he's one of the one of the great imaginations one of the great storytellers and the guys know I don't use that term lightly.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 before you worked with him, you had done two films, right? Before you worked with Pedro.

Speaker 1 What was it like at that point? What were the opportunities like in Spain for you at that point in the Spanish film industry?

Speaker 1 Was there a lot going on? Was it robust? Was it difficult?

Speaker 3 It was like a miracle that

Speaker 3 I found my agent. When I found my agent, she's now 83, and we've been together

Speaker 3 since I was 14.

Speaker 3 15. The first time I went to see her, she sent me home.
She said, what are you doing here? You're too young.

Speaker 1 Please go away.

Speaker 3 I came back the week after. She said the same thing to me.
I came back the week after.

Speaker 3 And then I asked her to let me do an impro where I could just play somebody that was very angry.

Speaker 3 And in my impro, I was actually an actress that was talking about her dreams. I was asking for an opportunity, even if I was young.

Speaker 3 And and then I was the only person that she picked that year to be represented and out of 300 people and we are still together you know and I love her so much she started to send me to castings and to my surprise I got a yes as an answer and I could not believe it they I mean it was a big surprise Penelope all the all the dreams that you had about

Speaker 2 I hope it happens I want I want to meet Pedro I want my career to take off I wanted

Speaker 2 all the dreams you had, all the aspirations that you had. You now, I would assume, have them even bigger than you even dreamed back then.

Speaker 2 Is it what you thought it would be? Do you tell, what's your favorite part about what has become and what part of it did you not anticipate coming and you could kind of do without?

Speaker 2 That part is, I didn't think it would be

Speaker 2 bad like that. Like, what's your, what's your favorite favorite part what's your least favorite part

Speaker 3 my favorite part about this profession and the the one that gives me a real happiness that can last and that is based on hard work and the values that i think my parents taught me is is the part that you you are new each each time you are starting from zero you never get to a place where you feel you have things under control you are like a constant student

Speaker 3 you're never gonna do the same role twice. Well, maybe you will, but that's a different story.

Speaker 3 But you are gonna be challenged each time and have fear each time.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I feel like we could have this conversation when I'm 90, and I would still feel the same way.

Speaker 3 And I feel that's good for me, it's good for my mental health, it keeps me sane, it keeps me humble because it's about the learning process, it's about how we really are just one more piece of the puzzle when we we are on the set.

Speaker 3 We cannot do this work alone. And this is amazing about

Speaker 3 my profession, and I realized is what attracted me to it from day one. The thing that I was surprised is that there was the element of attraction to fame when I was a teenager.

Speaker 3 I thought, like, wow, like, really?

Speaker 3 Me? They are saying this or that about. So you get kind of a dopamine high from it, especially if you are very young, but that doesn't last.
That goes away. And if you are evolving

Speaker 3 in a good way and you have a family around you that is going to be telling you the truth and cutting all the bullshit, and on top of that, you become a mother, when of course you will never see yourself as the first of the line ever again.

Speaker 3 The priorities will change immediately for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 You're not the number one on the call sheet at home.

Speaker 3 No, never, but for the rest of my life, I will never be and I don't want to. And that's like the biggest amount of happiness in my life comes from that.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I realized that because I started so young, then when I was like 20-something,

Speaker 3 I had already gone through a lot of like

Speaker 3 emotions related to that. To oh, what is it to get that attention?

Speaker 3 And one thing is to get like a feeling of satisfaction if you're getting a good review or recognition from your peers because you've worked on something and you were so scared about it, and you have connected, and that is a real thing.

Speaker 3 Okay, but the other thing that I was like flipping out about when I was a, I don't know, 17, 18, 19,

Speaker 3 it doesn't last long. And those years I was surprised.

Speaker 1 Oh, how come I don't feel the same thing as I felt three years ago?

Speaker 3 That doesn't last forever. No, it lasts very little.

Speaker 3 Like a friend of mine, a psychiatrist friend of mine was saying, it's actually one

Speaker 3 having a very being very exposed to fame at a very young age is one of the uh things that can put you on on

Speaker 3 higher risk for depression sure and and it makes total sense because at the end of the day it's like when you are super addicted to a video game or gambling or it's it's like a this high that will have a dramatic uh

Speaker 3 drop and it's just dopamine and it is like that yeah

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Speaker 1 I think you put it in the right place when I remember telling my kids, I have three boys and a stepson, so four boys in the house. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 And I remember saying, when my older boys were younger, sort of six, seven, and people want to take photos or whatever when you're out.

Speaker 1 And I remember explaining that to them, and it was through explaining to them the idea of these people don't know me. They think they do.
They want my picture because they think something else.

Speaker 1 And when I said it out loud and put it in the right place, it changed everything for me once I actually said it out loud. And it put it in a place that was much more acceptable.

Speaker 1 And it didn't, it stopped affecting,

Speaker 1 you know, I've said this many times. As long as you don't, you know, peg your happiness to how other people think about you, then you'll be okay.
And you can kind of keep that right sized.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah. Keep it in the right place.
And I was also thinking about something else you said, Penelope, which is interesting.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, I'm going to open this up to everybody, really.

Speaker 1 You're talking about staying a student. And I've been thinking so much more in the last couple of years now that I'm 53.

Speaker 1 I mean, I could play 48, but

Speaker 1 thank you.

Speaker 1 Sure, maybe 40. Thank you.
I really appreciate it. But one of the things I've been thinking about is this idea of staying.

Speaker 1 I was saying to somebody, I want to stay in the student section of life, not just in my work.

Speaker 1 I want to really feel, I don't want to be an expert. And I, you know, like all of us, I can

Speaker 1 talk like an expert sometimes about stuff and have a lot of conviction. It's so important in this life to stay in the student section, I think.
Don't you?

Speaker 3 I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 And I feel like when you have kids, immediately you are put in that place forever because it's such a lesson every day and so much wisdom that comes from just the total honesty that all the kids have.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they don't care.

Speaker 2 Sorry, Sean, it's a great reminder that you know nothing until you learn it. Like you get to watch them

Speaker 2 learn things or get experience with things for the very first time and we forget that moment for us for instance somebody sent us a a gift yesterday um and there was like a cassette tape in it one of those old you know audio cassette tapes

Speaker 2 and my 12 year old daughter said what's this and i said well that's a cassette she said a cassette what's a cassette i said no way well it's a I mean, how do you describe what a cassette is?

Speaker 3 I said, well, the same thing happened to me last month and I was shocked.

Speaker 2 She didn't know how to open up that cassette box, that clear see-through cassette box.

Speaker 1 And you said, this is what daddy used to put in his Chirocco. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 I said, I used to have hundreds of these. These are what albums used to be on.
She goes, really? This is this, there's music on this? I said, yeah. I said, open it up and put it in.
She's, it took

Speaker 1 five minutes.

Speaker 2 How did you have a there was a little, there was a little like a Walkman that came with the gift. No way.
And I, and it took her five minutes to open up. I finally had to take it from her.

Speaker 2 I said, let me show you how to open. She almost broke it.
She didn't know how to open up the clear. Anyway,

Speaker 1 yeah it's a great reminder that you just don't realize what you don't know if you don't keep up your radar that you're willing to learn also age helps age helps not giving a shit yeah like right the older you get you're just like I'm too tired and old to care

Speaker 3 well you maybe start caring about things that are actually important and not the other things that are related about how you are perceived for sure by people that you you don't know which is different than of course, if you have a job like

Speaker 3 the one that we have, at the end of the day, you are doing that to

Speaker 3 try to move energy in people, to try to, we make movies for that reason, not to change the world, but you want to connect with people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want to know, like, I want to go back to ballet. I had no idea you were a ballet dance.
Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Did you find that? How many years did you take ballet?

Speaker 3 Like 17. Wow.

Speaker 1 17 years. Did you still? You started my life.

Speaker 3 Well, when I get the chance to,

Speaker 3 I might do a musical soon again. Like I did.
Nine years ago.

Speaker 3 I went, thank you. I loved making that movie and I went back to dancing for like six months or something like that.
So I'm always looking for reasons to go back.

Speaker 1 That's great. Wow, so you don't have

Speaker 1 the wear and tear on a person's body of 17 years of being on your toes. Yeah, like you have any kind of like...

Speaker 2 Your toes still hurt?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, but I mean I got used to that. You know, when you are bleeding and your nose and your nails are like

Speaker 3 you lose them. They get really tired and then they fall off and you have to keep dancing and smiling.

Speaker 3 And the discipline that it gives you, it helped me a lot because I started to work as an actress so young and I had the discipline from that that was so much harder than anything I have done.

Speaker 2 I'm sure.

Speaker 1 That's so crazy. You know, you talked a little bit about

Speaker 1 sort of just to swing back to like what's important and stuff. And I

Speaker 1 so both you and your partner are

Speaker 1 film actors and actors at

Speaker 1 the highest level and very much in demand. You've made lots of films, and yet now you've started a family.
And I presume that you still live in Spain, yeah?

Speaker 1 Or that you moved back. Like you, you spent very many years where you were doing like, it seemed like you did so many films and I listed off all the awards and nominations.

Speaker 1 And yet now, do you find yourself

Speaker 1 have you put that in a different place now?

Speaker 1 like now that you've moved and you live in Europe and you don't live here in Los Angeles and you've kind of do you feel that you've been able to carve out a kind of a different life

Speaker 3 very different very different where the total priority the number one priority is the family also most of my family mom and sisters and most of them are there in Spain my brother and nephew are here and in LA and I miss them so much but

Speaker 3 I mean life always brings us here like maybe in the summer, Christmas, or both, and come here for work.

Speaker 3 And I lived here for 15 years in LA, and I loved it, but we just wanted to be there raising the children because family is very important for us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 What's the atmosphere like there

Speaker 2 where you live in Spain with respect to

Speaker 2 Hollywood and the media and fame and paparazzi and all that kind of stuff?

Speaker 2 Can you live a very sort of

Speaker 2 normal in quotes life there as opposed to here?

Speaker 3 Yes. Oh good.
Well, when I was here, I mean there was a way to do it also. I mean it depends what kind of place you go to.
You know how it is.

Speaker 3 And there I can do everything. I can

Speaker 3 go to school, go to the supermarket, go to a public gym, go to

Speaker 3 everywhere, everywhere. And this is what I want.
I could not give up having a normal.

Speaker 1 But you can go to a public gym? Of course. And I can go everywhere.

Speaker 2 And even if they do recognize you,

Speaker 2 do they treat celebrity

Speaker 2 with such reverence there like they do here? I think it's a little too big here.

Speaker 3 No, I think it's not a surprise to see us there.

Speaker 3 And also

Speaker 3 everything ends up being close to the area where I grew up. And it feels like

Speaker 3 if you knew all your neighbors, you know, it feels very easygoing and people are very nice.

Speaker 3 And is Javier javier from the same area we was actually born in canary islands but but he was raised more more in the city and i was raised more out of madrid but also in la i i had no problems where i lived here and and i feel like it's more like choosing where you go to if you're gonna go to a place looking for attention or you go to a place that you can leave your attention

Speaker 1 it's the vibe it's the vibe you put out too right it's also what you wear too like if you if you yeah if you look all great and fabulous or you or if you look like you're trying to hide with a hat and big glasses people you stand out like a sword throw more yeah but if you just like if there's no hiding whatsoever it's just a little sweatshirt or something well we had we had a guest on one of one of our guests who's a friend of the show i won't name him but he had years ago i'd gone to his house one of the biggest film actors on the planet and we went to his house and he said and i was giving him a lift home and he would get to his gate that was barely like a gate And then he said, just punch in the code.

Speaker 1 I said, what's the code for the 2468? I said, come on, man. No, 2468.
And then you could walk around it if you want. We get up to his house and we walk in and the front door is open.

Speaker 1 And I said, dude, what are you doing? You're crazy. I mean, this guy's like that.
And he goes, I don't live like a prisoner. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And if I put that vibe out in the order. Yeah, yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 It's true. Probably take less attention like that.

Speaker 1 I totally, by the way, totally agree. I'm like, if somebody's going to get me, they're going to get me.
If somebody's, you know. Well, why do you have that?

Speaker 1 You have that sign that says Sean Hayes lives here in front of your house. Yeah, but I mean, you can behind some hedges.

Speaker 1 Wait, listen, Penelope, before we go any further i want to ask you and this is a tough question and you can feel free to not answer it we can always cut it out real madrid or atlático madrid

Speaker 3 you know what i am

Speaker 3 i know that no no i i mean i do because

Speaker 3 That's another thing that changes when you are a mother and suddenly you see they like football. But then you start loving football too.

Speaker 3 I have a family that is from Atletico, family from Barcelona,

Speaker 3 club family from Real Madrid. And

Speaker 3 I think they're amazing teams, but I am loving everything more. Real Madrid.
What can I say?

Speaker 1 Very, very good. I love, I'm a huge football fan, and I'm obsessed.
And

Speaker 1 I actually like both those teams as well. They have great players.

Speaker 2 We're recording this right around the holiday season. And

Speaker 2 are you a big holiday fan?

Speaker 2 Do you love Christmas? Or I don't know what you guys celebrate. Do you guys go skiing? Do you like the beach instead?

Speaker 3 It's just about being with the family. And

Speaker 3 since I have my kids, I really see, I get to experience again

Speaker 3 Christmas like when I was little and it's like having a second chance, like

Speaker 3 to experience it,

Speaker 3 to experience that magic. And it's incredible.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 3 I love it again so much. For a few years, it was just like

Speaker 3 one more part of the year, but now it's a big deal. It's become a big deal.

Speaker 1 My three-year-old this morning, he was saying that he wanted to get this truck. It was like a crane thing.
And I said, okay, well, we'll see if Santa comes in and he goes, no, you buy it.

Speaker 1 And I said, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 We're going to see. We're going to see if Santa goes, Dada, you buy it.

Speaker 1 How old? How old is he?

Speaker 1 He's three and a half.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, what do you think? What do you think is that?

Speaker 1 What do you think is too old?

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 2 be still in the Santa world.

Speaker 2 I'm saying this gently because I don't know how young our listeners are.

Speaker 3 I feel it's when they're ready. Yeah, when they're ready.
When they're ready, when they're ready, and maybe your son is ready now.

Speaker 1 Like three, I don't know.

Speaker 3 It's a little choking, but when they're ready, they're going to ask in a different way.

Speaker 1 He doesn't think that I'm Santa. No, no, no.
He's just saying that he doesn't want to wait for Santa. Look at this guy.
Look at this guy. Oh,

Speaker 1 adorable. Was he on the potty there?

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 He looks very excited about his movement.

Speaker 1 Daddy, look.

Speaker 1 Believe me, he's.

Speaker 1 I asked him this morning also. I'm not going to get to it in the week, but I asked him, who's the boss? And he said, me.
I said, you're not the boss. Anyway.

Speaker 1 I remember in Christmas, like my mom used to get us so much more in debt than we already were.

Speaker 1 Christmas was like the number one thing in her life.

Speaker 1 She would max out her credit cards and mortgage the house just so we could have presents.

Speaker 1 And as I got older, I'm like, I don't know if this is the greatest business model for our home.

Speaker 2 Like, maybe you're leaving us with another gift too, mom. That's dad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, by the way, it's a very sort of, it's, it's very much symbolic of like sort of the age that we live in.

Speaker 1 You watch these ads now on TV and they're all like, everybody's going to go to one of these big box stores and they're like, well, dad needs a CD player. My son needs a new big screen TV.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, who, what kind of money do people have that they're spending? Like, you know what I mean? Like they're having these huge, it seems crazy. Anyway, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 I also remember really quick, just while we're on the subject, my mom constantly with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth, constantly 24 hours a day, filling the stockings by the fire and then by the tree that was real with her lit cigarette, just putting stuff under the tree.

Speaker 3 That was my dad, too.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 Really? Oh, yeah, smoking in the house, and doctors telling him, You have to quit. And he was saying to us, This is a complot of the family.
It's not true that I have to quit.

Speaker 3 You are all talking to the doctor.

Speaker 1 What a character.

Speaker 2 How is this the smoking in Europe? So the

Speaker 2 there's still a lot of smokers in Europe, correct?

Speaker 3 Much less, much less. I mean, I grew up spending time every day in a hair salon because my mom owned a hair salon.

Speaker 3 Everyone was smoking in front of all the kids.

Speaker 3 The combination of that plus all the toxicity of all the products. Can you imagine?

Speaker 2 You can smoke in the elevator over in Europe. No, no, it wasn't.
There were ashtrays in the elevators.

Speaker 3 When?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 when I was in Paris a couple years ago, there were still ashtrays in the elevators.

Speaker 1 You could still have a lot of power. I don't know.
I think it's like now.

Speaker 1 No, no, bienstour, senior.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Wait a second, Penelope, how many languages do you know? Everyone that lives in Europe knows like five languages.

Speaker 3 Well, I speak

Speaker 3 Italian,

Speaker 3 Spanish, English with this accent that I don't know when I will

Speaker 1 get rid of.

Speaker 3 And I'm petiti paired. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 It's not French crazy way. How dare you? You could listen to Willie all day long.

Speaker 1 So, Penelope,

Speaker 1 obviously, I don't know you. It's such a pleasure to meet you.
It's so nice.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 3 No, I love it. This is so much fun.
I could be here for five hours straight.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. Well, we have two minutes.
So, no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 Where are you going? No, yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 Sean, believe me, Sean has eight hours that he needs to fill today.

Speaker 1 So, this is perfect. If you could just stick around until seven tonight no um it seems like you know there's there's certain points in my life that i can remember changed me and i grew from

Speaker 1 sorry oh bless you

Speaker 1 announce it

Speaker 1 that was the best there's our that's our first that's our first ever sneeze that is i love that sometimes I sneeze eight times in a row. Oh my God.
I hope no.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen. I did it.
I did it today. I did it this morning, too.
I think think it's going around a sneeze.

Speaker 2 What about people who muffle their sneezes? It's my favorite thing to do. And people that stifle them, I'm like,

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 2 yourself one of the greatest releases ever.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that has to be bad for you.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sneeze edging is no good. All right, keep going, Sean.
What was your, Sean, keep going? I think it was there's certain points in my life that I can recall

Speaker 1 changed me, where I grew from them, where I learned and they were

Speaker 1 experiences that made me grow up quickly and

Speaker 1 realize and see things differently. And you seem like not, again, not knowing you, you seem like you have an amazing no bullshit meter.
Like you're

Speaker 1 like you can call it out right away.

Speaker 1 Were there certain moments in your life that taught you that that you can remember? You're like, you know what, because of this experience, I have now changed.

Speaker 1 I'm going to call you on that now so it doesn't happen to me again.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 A few things, like crucial moments in my life that I remember that that were like a turning point in terms of

Speaker 3 actually you can respect yourself that much and it's okay. No, and it's not just okay.
I feel so much happier. And I moments like this are

Speaker 3 I feel like if you get to live a long life, those things you remember before you go, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, do you remember what some of those are or those moments?

Speaker 3 If you want to share them, for example, working with Michael, I was very interesting that way because he's very, very tough. And I loved,

Speaker 3 we didn't have a lot of free time there. We were working really hard, non-stop.
But sometimes if we had 10 minutes

Speaker 3 between shots, I just wanted to talk to him about

Speaker 3 without calling it that in front of him, but it was about his toughness, you know, about the reasons why he has no problem saying no, which is sometimes harder for me.

Speaker 3 And he said,

Speaker 3 he answered something so brilliant. He said, you know, there is no free lunch.

Speaker 3 There is so much in that answer that I needed to hear

Speaker 3 that advice. Yeah, there is no free lunch, meaning like if

Speaker 3 what I don't want to give a specific example, but there are times in your life when you know you have to say no to something, and so many justifications, and oh, but this, but that will make you say yes.

Speaker 3 You don't want to hurt somebody's feelings, you don't want to

Speaker 3 complicate. But you feel like what's the right thing to do.
And he's very like,

Speaker 3 very honest that way, and

Speaker 3 has

Speaker 3 no problem saying

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 1 And then you're like, oh, I didn't know that it's okay for me to say no. Yeah.
Well, that's a boundary thing, right?

Speaker 3 That's like a boundary thing, meaning there is no freelance. If you don't say no when you know you have to, and you accumulate too many of those, one day you're going to explode.

Speaker 1 I know, because I had to learn that too. Well, I same here.
And I was, and JB, we talked, Sean, you and I talked about with JB recently.

Speaker 1 I said, within the last year, Jason, I said to you, I really respect your ability to draw boundaries for yourself. You've gotten, you're really good.
You really set a good example.

Speaker 1 For me, I think it took me to get older to understand.

Speaker 1 And it is, Penelope, like you say, when you start to be able to say no or to draw a boundary and say, this is my boundary, it's so freeing because you feel, you take a little bit of power back and you're able to go like, yeah, that's not okay for me.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, it's very difficult to learn that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, also as an actor, actress, starting very young, when you depend on others to say yes to you to work, and then you realize that, oh, maybe I have to say no, for example, to this project, and how can I allow myself to say no to that?

Speaker 3 That's also a huge lesson.

Speaker 2 One of the things, thank you for saying that, Will, but one of the things that

Speaker 2 I worry about is that I just that I get meaner or that think people will think

Speaker 1 because he's being mean or that's you do, right? Or he's he's crankier.

Speaker 2 And while that might be the case,

Speaker 2 what it's to compensate for that, I have expanded my nice side.

Speaker 2 When there are moments that I feel like I should be nicer, or I should be generous in this moment, or do that thing, I end up doing more of those things and being nicer when it is time to be nice.

Speaker 1 So I see you making the, I, I, I've, I've seen you making the effort lately. I swear to God.

Speaker 1 I'm not kidding. It's not about the no, it's about how you say the no.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 How you say it, and what you're saying, Jason, is you're just more honest, yeah, and that doesn't make you meaner, you're just more honest because

Speaker 3 behind a lot of yeses that you don't want to say,

Speaker 3 there is a

Speaker 3 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there is no, there is no way I learned that lesson, and I'm not going, I'm not going back to where I was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, by the way, we're by the way, we are still owed seven more sneezes. Yeah, yeah, I know, but it's not happening.
We'll wait,

Speaker 1 we'll be right back.

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Speaker 2 one of our friends gave us a good good uh tip they said uh because you know someone will ask you hey uh you know next month would you would you mind uh coming over to my place and helping me out with such and such you might say sure yeah you know because it's a month away the person and then the then the day comes and you're like oh i can't believe i said yes to that This person said, here's what you do.

Speaker 2 If you have to imagine that it's for tomorrow. If you don't want to do something tomorrow, that's your answer.
Say no today. You just imagine that it's tomorrow.

Speaker 2 If you don't want to do it tomorrow, then go ahead and say no today. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And you were right. You replace it with tomorrow.
It's

Speaker 1 kind of a good.

Speaker 1 I want to ask you, this is going to be, we're sort of, I'm veering way off topic, but. It's going to ask you to do something in a few months and just pretend.
I'm just going to say no.

Speaker 1 Okay. Where's Lesi? Okay.
It's a bag with 30 million euros in it, but I guess no.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 no, I was going to ask you about, I love Madrid. I've been there a few times.
I think it's really such a phenomenal city. I really love Spain.
And

Speaker 1 one of my great nights that I had in Madrid was with an old friend of mine who lives there, who's lived there for 20, 25 years. Different business.
Finance. Good guy to know.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 took me out, we went for drinks, then we went to an Atletico Madrid game, and then we went for dinner. It was a Sunday night, and we sat down for dinner at about 11 p.m.
Yeah. Oh my God, I'm out.

Speaker 1 And it was just starting to fill up. And the families, it was that very famous restaurant where everybody goes.
I forget what it's called, but it's a very sort of fancy.

Speaker 1 And it was like, and I know that like, I don't know if the prince or the king still goes there, but he used to. It was like one of those.

Speaker 1 And the families would come in, 10 people in the family, the kids, everybody. I left at one o'clock, so I had an early flight the next day, and I'm like, I can't believe it.
Why is that?

Speaker 2 Why is it always so late?

Speaker 1 Like, it just sounds like a bunch of acid reflux.

Speaker 3 That was my schedule before, before having a family. You know, it was like normal to go to dinner at 10 with your friends, with family.
But not, I mean,

Speaker 3 schools in Spain start like early, like here, like around 8:30 8.30 or 8,

Speaker 3 and you can have that schedule. Maybe sometimes in the weekend, but

Speaker 3 that's more for a single

Speaker 1 place.

Speaker 1 I've never been to Spain. I want to go really bad.
You've never been to it?

Speaker 1 Is that the country or the side of the world that doesn't get dark until like 10 or 11 at night or something like that? No, you got to go. You got to go north.

Speaker 3 In the summer, we have light

Speaker 3 until 10. No way.
In the summer, we do.

Speaker 2 But the further north you go, Sean,

Speaker 1 the lighter it stays.

Speaker 2 This is

Speaker 2 Penelope. We're sorry.

Speaker 1 This is a little bit of a

Speaker 2 charity hire.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he wanted to get into radio.

Speaker 3 He wants to experience the light of Madrid in the summer.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 Penelope, now here you are, you're here in America, and you're doing all this stuff for Ferrari, which is phenomenal. First of all, Michael Mann, of course, one of the all-time great directors.

Speaker 1 But you're here,

Speaker 1 you're in America, and you're doing all the stuff that goes with that. Yeah, this is what I love.
The press tour, which includes talking to us, I imagine.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 what is that like for you? Like, how do you sort of gear up for that with your life and everything that's going on with the kids? And you got to go like, all right, I got to go do all the junkest.

Speaker 2 I got to, yeah, I got to. Do you like that stuff or is it okay?

Speaker 3 As you know, it's part of it. And I just do like very short trips.
Like,

Speaker 3 I went to New York for one day for the Gotham Awards and then back home and then London one day and a half back home

Speaker 3 now we're here for a couple of days but I I rather do it like this you know than putting together a long trip and ideally would you do one job a year or two jobs a year or do you try to get

Speaker 3 that changed a lot I used to do like four movies per year and travel non-stop and and now I do like one per year and if they're not too long and what I can do one in Madrid while the school is happening, I I maybe would do that one and one in the summer so we can travel all together.

Speaker 3 And this is like the I feel very privileged and very lucky to be able to do it that way.

Speaker 3 Because I feel like all of those years working so hard have given me the opportunity to be able to choose what what I want to do now and be a little bit like the owner more or less of my own schedule.

Speaker 3 Even if you know how things always change, if they tell you you're gonna start in March, probably you're you're going to start a month later.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 even like

Speaker 3 counting with that and knowing that that will always be the nature of our profession,

Speaker 3 feeling like I kind of own

Speaker 3 a big part of my time

Speaker 3 is such a blessing.

Speaker 3 Such a blessing because like I told you before, my priority is raising my children.

Speaker 3 And I feel so lucky that I can combine that with my work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so cool to be able to shift that perspective from when you're younger and you're, like you were saying, like you're trying to make a mark, you're trying to do as much stuff as you can.

Speaker 1 You want to work with directors, you want to work on different projects. And then you get older and you're like,

Speaker 1 yeah, that stuff's not as important to me anymore. I mean, it's a luxury, obviously, but.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is. It is.
I mean, I don't take it for granted. And I also

Speaker 3 love so much, like preparing a character, the research process, and being on the set and the creativity and how that makes me feel, like searching for answers. And

Speaker 3 I still feel like the little girl that was watching the Betamax.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what was your first Hollywood film? What was your first big

Speaker 3 it was Stephen Freer's movie called Hilo Country, and I was obsessed with him because of the Grifters and Dangerous Liaisons. So that was also a phone call that made me so happy.

Speaker 2 Can I ask you a dorky actor question? Because you're such a great actor. You're very.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 thank you so much. No, no, you

Speaker 2 really, you really are. There's, I find myself when I watch you play a character, I'm leaning in, I'm trying to read your mind.
There's, you're not, you're not, it's great.

Speaker 2 You don't help the audience. You're very internal, and that's my favorite kind.
But I think sometimes that it would be hard for me to manage that kind of subtlety

Speaker 2 if I, if with an accent, I wonder if I would be, is it challenge? is it easier for you when you're playing a character that's speaking Spanish versus English? Because

Speaker 2 oftentimes the difference between a good performance and a bad performance will be in the way in which lines are said, in the meter, and what like you can say, I love you a million different ways.

Speaker 2 And an accent can change what an intention sounds like. I love you.
I love you. I love you.
Like, and oftentimes an accent is that. It's

Speaker 2 the rhythm of something, do you have to manage that at all? Do you even think about it?

Speaker 3 So I think about it a lot because

Speaker 3 I feel very lucky that I'm able to do movies in four languages and a lot of different accents, for example, with the Spanish language, a lot of different accents. And I feel like

Speaker 3 sometimes

Speaker 3 I don't want to call it a disadvantage to have an accent because at the end of the day, for me in my career, it has given me more advantages than the opposite because

Speaker 3 it has opened so many doors to be able to play so many different nationalities and

Speaker 3 I don't know that I could you know now like get to play a character that has English as her first language and maybe someday we could get to that but if

Speaker 3 Would I change that but not being able to play an Italian or

Speaker 3 French or

Speaker 3 all the characters that I can play in English that can be from so many nationalities, but like I said, maybe English is not their first language.

Speaker 3 When I'm working in Spanish, of course, there's gonna be like a freedom that you're not gonna have when you are working in a different language, but it's not always that way because sometimes when I'm working with a different language or accent, I don't hear myself, I don't recognize myself, and that already gives me a space,

Speaker 3 distance between myself to create somebody new that actually is very helpful for me. So, I mean, I keep working, I'm always with a dialect coach in my life.

Speaker 3 Lately, I work a lot with Tim Monic, who is

Speaker 3 incredible.

Speaker 3 And I've had so many teachers

Speaker 3 for all different languages and accents or go to the place and spend time there.

Speaker 2 And you feel like you have as much control over your intention when you're reading a line, even though you might be working with an accent, versus the kind of control you have when you're working in Spanish.

Speaker 2 You feel like

Speaker 2 it's equal enough?

Speaker 3 I feel like if I put a lot, a lot of time into it, so that I get to a place where I don't have to be thinking about it,

Speaker 3 I will have the advantages of having that distance between myself and the way that character speaks, and not recognizing myself when I speak.

Speaker 3 And I enjoy that very much.

Speaker 3 But for example, I'm making a movie in the spring

Speaker 3 in English, and I start to work now in January, and it's going to be like every day, putting many hours into it, so that I don't have to be thinking about it when I'm there. So you just can't,

Speaker 3 so it becomes part of you.

Speaker 2 And that character would have an American accent or a Spanish accent?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 It will have a Spanish accent, but we want it to be

Speaker 3 always as clear as possible.

Speaker 1 And just so there's no gap there, so that it's much more immediate, is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but the gap, that is the accent or acting in another language, sometimes helps so much to create that distance and

Speaker 2 allows you to enter a different person.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can I ask you when you won, I think it was 2008 maybe, when you won Academy Award for Vicki Christina Barcelona, right? Is that

Speaker 1 2008, something like that?

Speaker 3 I think it was 2008.

Speaker 1 Maybe 2009, something like that, for Vicki Christina Barcelona.

Speaker 1 When you won, because this is always like a sort of a trippy thing, it's kind of like you win the Great Academy Award.

Speaker 1 Did you feel that kind of, was it euphoric in the moment? Was it a letdown? Did it change anything? Or did you go, or

Speaker 1 what was that sort of thing?

Speaker 2 Was the moment as you imagined it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 it was the first one of the night. So

Speaker 3 I was happy about that because my heart was going so fast. I don't know how I could have gone through hours of that, but

Speaker 3 it was incredible to be able to hug my mother there. I was sad my father wasn't there because they were not

Speaker 3 together as a couple, so they would take turns. And he came to some awards, she came to others, and all their family and friends were there.

Speaker 3 And I just

Speaker 3 The thing is that I only remember like 30% of it because the adrenaline was so high. And

Speaker 3 I remember like right after winning, calling my father and calling Pedro. And

Speaker 3 I remember...

Speaker 2 Pedro's like, oh, this girl will not leave me alone.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 3 And I remember going, after the ceremony, we went to In N-Out.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 3 with the gown and

Speaker 3 then we went to Gaio Siri's house who is a very good friend of mine and I'm sure you've been in that party.

Speaker 3 I walked in and I looked to my left and in a sofa together,

Speaker 3 there was Jack Nicholson, Scorsese, Harvey Keitel,

Speaker 3 Robert De Niro, Al Patino,

Speaker 3 and I was like, oh, can't handle that.

Speaker 1 And I went the other way. I know it was like, I got so nervous.

Speaker 3 But that image was like, oh, I should have taken a picture of that image. Yeah.
All of them together.

Speaker 2 Guy can pack a house.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That actually, I was going to ask you a bit ago, but that's a perfect segue.

Speaker 1 You know, you said you lived here for 15 years, but what are some of the, and then, but when you come visit, what are the some of the things you look forward to eating, like in and out, or seeing or experiencing?

Speaker 1 Like, do you miss anything that you get excited about here?

Speaker 3 I have a group of friends that get to, we get together and we play wolves.

Speaker 1 Wolves and villagers.

Speaker 3 You know the game, right?

Speaker 1 Of course. And I'm sure you know some of the players.

Speaker 3 And oh my God. And you know, everyone ends up like

Speaker 3 so angry with each other for weeks because you just have to lie and betray other people in this game.

Speaker 3 And it's a really good game for actors, and

Speaker 3 you know, it's one of the things that I try to do when I come back to LA, like get together with the wolf players that I have here. And we play a lot in Spain, also.

Speaker 2 You can play it on Zoom, too. Have you ever played it on Zoom?

Speaker 1 No, no, but

Speaker 2 yeah, you could do it on, I think over COVID, there was a lot of mafia on interesting.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 I have a team of players in Madrid, like many friends that are obsessed with the game, like I am, and then other team of players here.

Speaker 1 There's a show based on it, Penelope, called Traitors, and it's based on that. From the UK version.
From a UK version, an American version, and an Australian version.

Speaker 3 And now a friend of mine did a Spanish version of the show.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sergio Perez Menceta. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 What's something that people don't know that you do, like a sort of guilty pleasure? Something that you like, do you like watch bad reality TV?

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm, Jason, I'm getting into your territory with this question.

Speaker 2 We love this question. We love this question.

Speaker 1 What do you do? Do you are you secretly a golfer? Do you play tennis? Do you have some obsession?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 You like to doodle?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I love a good massage, I have to say.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Wow.

Speaker 1 That's one of the best treats that you do.

Speaker 2 How I would like to every single day.

Speaker 2 Do you get a massage once a week?

Speaker 3 No, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 Once a month.

Speaker 3 Maybe once a month, once, but I love it.

Speaker 2 I hurt my back in the shower actually the other day. Just doing.
Yeah. Just like trying to wash my feet, just reaching down,

Speaker 2 and out it goes. So I got a massage last night.
It was so deep and so painful. I hurt more today than I did yesterday, but it's all different.
It's all, I'm just sore from.

Speaker 2 So sometimes it can be a little too hard yes Penelope

Speaker 3 I don't know it's it's one of my I don't know what can you call it

Speaker 3 it's a it's not a hobby what can you call it

Speaker 3 and I love a knitting and oh you do oh you do yeah starting to do that with my daughter because my grandmother taught me how to do that and sewing and and

Speaker 3 I'm I love cooking because with my job it's not that I can cook every day, but it's something that I really like. And

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 3 don't have a lot of actually like a lot of social life, and I don't really go out. I don't drink.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I have strange hobbies also that I would like.

Speaker 3 I don't know why I always end up talking about this in interviews, but I love reading about medicine.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 3 Are you a hypochondriac? Yes, you watch what I mean.

Speaker 1 I'm obsessed. There are so many in the world.
I'm obsessed. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 I love when I find somebody that can discuss

Speaker 1 in the cream system.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, best friend.

Speaker 1 Sean is on a VIP program. This is not a joke at Cedars because he's so obsessed with his own.
Right? Am I? I'm not, he has his own entrance.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, you and I, best friends.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2 But do you both, do you both worry about mortality?

Speaker 3 Do you feel like it's not about mortality? It's about suffering.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 it's about suffering i don't want to catch it tell me how do i how did you get it how do i avoid it you know

Speaker 3 yes yes were you both very nervous about covid when covid was around were you both nervous about that i was i was more nervous for other people for people that were older or or or for for for children children obviously we didn't know what was going to happen and i was worried for my mom for did everybody get covet

Speaker 1 i did i did go covet sean did you get you still you still haven't had it right well i've never had it no oh my god

Speaker 1 But Penelope, I'm more worried about like,

Speaker 1 if like my stomach hurts or like my eye hurt, I'm like, oh my God, I have cancer, I'm going to die, or like whatever. I go from zero to a hundred and then I have to read all about it.

Speaker 1 But you, why should we be scared? You've got an extra eye, don't you?

Speaker 3 The thing is that you have to know where to read it. And when you do this, you end up knowing where to go.

Speaker 3 It's not like when doesn't it happen to you like if you go to the doctor with the right questions and they tell you you're not one of those that is is reading everything on the internet, and it's like, well, depends.

Speaker 3 If you go to the right places, you actually can come here with the right questions.

Speaker 3 It doesn't mean you go to the doctor with the answers, but you go with the right questions. And sometimes they don't like that.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 That's right. My doctor is like, Yeah, look it up online.
He always says that. Does he really?

Speaker 1 He does. Sounds pretty lazy.

Speaker 1 If you're bringing

Speaker 1 or take a picture and text it to me, that's what he says.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, Canelby, we have taken up way too much of your time.

Speaker 1 It's such an honor having you here and to join us. It's so nice of you to join us.
I love this. You said earlier to me that I need to experience the light of Madrid, and I think I just did.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, no, I had so much fun talking to you, right?

Speaker 3 I feel it's too short.

Speaker 2 You shined your light on it. It is too short.

Speaker 3 I had so much fun in this conversation.

Speaker 2 We'll continue it in Madrid. Next time we're down to Madrid, we're going to look you up.

Speaker 1 We're going to have an 11 p.m. dinner on a Sunday night.
You're going to cook for us.

Speaker 1 Yes, I will if you want. Yes.
I love that. We'll do it.
Well, listen, continued success, really.

Speaker 1 And congratulations and everything. Enjoy your trip, your holidays, get back to the family.
We can't wait for Ferrari. We can't wait.
Yeah, we're looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you so much.
Yeah, we're such fans. You've been really kind.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Penelope.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Bye.
Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 Fuck, I'm fucking look at this. Oh, look at that.
You were so, Penelope was so great. You're sweating.

Speaker 1 I know. That was, I mean, gosh, right yeah Penelope Cruz I would I didn't know what to I'm such a fan I've never met her or anything and to I didn't know what to expect

Speaker 1 and now I'm like a bigger fan like she's uh

Speaker 2 really fun and and easy I was hoping that she was gonna be as as as as charming and as wonderful as she seems to be right don't you ever play that game where you watch people on talk shows and stuff like that and you're just a fan of theirs and you think like like like her like what she was saying about uh pedro uh almotivar i think that's how you say his last Like she could just tell, boy, if we ever met, we'd really get along.

Speaker 2 I played that sometimes. I looked at people.
I was like, you know what? I bet she'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 she was awesome. I think a lot of people do think that sometimes in the general public and they're like psychotic a little bit, but she's not because she's actually legitimately.

Speaker 2 Well, you were getting a psycho vibe when you'd watch that movie.

Speaker 1 Not from her. I'm saying that the people, you know, there are people who watch movies and go, I would be best friends with Jason Bateman.
I will go and wait for him.

Speaker 1 I will wait for him and we will be, you know what I mean? But, Sean, you kind of said it. Like, it's a little different when it's it's her.

Speaker 1 You know, she shows up and you're like,

Speaker 1 yeah, okay, yeah, feel free to

Speaker 1 see that movie. I want to see that movie.
I know. I want to see Ferrari so bad.
I know, me too. I love

Speaker 2 Adam. I like her.
I like Michael Mann. And I like it.
I like cars.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know if I'd ever be able to pull off owning one, but I do.

Speaker 1 No, you got to have a certain, you kind of got to have a certain thing to be able to own a Ferrari.

Speaker 2 Hey, Will, you ever owned a Ferrari?

Speaker 1 Funnily enough, I have, but the point is,

Speaker 1 an old one, an old one, not like a

Speaker 1 class.

Speaker 1 No, I don't like, not like one of these douchebags who drives around, you know, LA in one of those. You know, sure.
Yeah. I've never, I've never been in one.
I've only seen them drive by.

Speaker 1 Oh, bye.

Speaker 2 Seani snuck it right through.

Speaker 1 Sean's on a deadline. Smart.

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