"Natasha Lyonne"

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Listen, my hands are freezing. I'm freezing and I'm wearing two shirts.
And I put slacks on today. So I don't know what's going on.
I just, I feel like I'm wearing two shirts and I put slacks on today.

So I don't know what's going on.

I just, I feel like I'm out of sorts,

but I am never, never too out of sorts to bring you guys an all new Smartless.

Let's go.

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Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. You've got to take one second.
Uh-oh, what's he doing? Oh, God. He's going potty, potty, he's going potty, potty.
He's taking a potty and he's taking a potty. Listener, we could have started on time, but Will has got a child's bladder.
And what, no, he actually just came back in with two bottles of water. I guess he's a little dehydrated.
No, I'd like to. I've grabbed one too too so well you know i got a little bit of grief listener for showing up 60 seconds late on our last session you were three minutes late oh sorry check that uh what's what's shit what's the what's the math on that that's three minutes that's a hundred and so it's three times 180 180 180 seconds late so i showed up early today and i said i said you know what the problem about showing up early is that you you risk seeing who the mystery guest is that's right and then what happened you saw the and our mystery guest this guest accidentally bumped their camera cover and revealed and then i saw the guest was and i'm thrilled i don't know but uh no i know because you were late you see that's the advantages of being late i think i was right on time right on time um will you with us yeah i'm with you i'm just bummed that you saw who it is and because it's not it's not a real the whole surprise thing it was just to cut down on our homework it's not a real big part of this show i think i love it and people love it, I think.
But the audience is not—it's not a surprise to the audience. The audience knows who it is.
No, because they know it's coming, but I don't know who it is. No, I'm happy that we don't have to see your acting pretending that you don't know who it is.
Sean, because you don't want to see Sean's acting. No, no, no, no.
Nobody does. No, no, no.
You know what I mean? I'm glad that we don't have to watch you go like, oh, my God, who is that? And that's why I said I know who the guest is. So I don't have to be the actor.
Okay, so while I'm excited, so do we start or is there other topics to discuss? No, let's hear some of your pre-show patter. You always think I'm pre-show patter.
Listen, Regis, you come with a couple of stories you got anything i can come up what happened during our break we just recorded one listener and now well i can talk i can talk about this oh what happened during our break i booked a little thing a job yeah no no no whatever i booked it's too little night stay in this place oh on long. For Valentine's Day? No, for much later than that.

Well, are we going to do anything for Scotty for Valentine's Day?

We give each other a high five.

I mean, nothing.

We don't do anything.

Really?

We don't do anything on our anniversary either.

Do you guys do stuff on your anniversary?

When is your anniversary?

We talked about this.

Quick, when's your anniversary?

Mine?

Yeah.

11-11.

Is it really? Yeah. Oh, my God.
Does Jen and Amanda know that? I know. Isn't that interesting? Yeah.
We're doing next to nothing for Valentine's Day. Sometimes we do gifts for anniversary.
I just feel like the whole gift thing, it ends up becoming a bit of a burden, right? Because you're with the person all year. Well, but you get – I get things that I want from her during the year and she gets things from me.
Exactly. Like you don't need anything.
To like save up – no, you're not getting shit until there's an occasion is I think weird. Right.
And also you're not going to let corporate America dictate when you tell your wife and show her that you love her with their fucking

you know, you're not going to let a gift card company

that's what I would be, it all would be about

not letting the man win

yeah, you're going to rise up and fight against it

screw the man, yeah, screw the man

good for you, and it has nothing to do with the fact that

you're just too fucking lazy to do anything

or think about anybody else other than yourself

I mean, if Valentine's Day

was about golf, you'd go out of your

fucking way, celebrate

why does it have to be one day a year

I'm sorry. or think about anybody else other than yourself.
I mean, if Valentine's Day was about golf, you'd go out of your fucking way. Celebrate.
Why does it have to be one day a year? You would take... I would love for you to just put on there now, just so Amanda sees it and you don't plan it, that on February 14th, just put golf all day that you're going on a golf trip back to Pebble or something.
Overnight golf trip. She'll murder you.
Just wait for her to... I actually do have a little bit of golf scheduled during the day.
When the girls are in school, and Amanda's busy doing something. Yeah.
Yeah, there is. 9.30 to 2.30.
Is that the thing that we're going to do? No, I'm going to invite you to this thing. 9.30 to 2.30.
But Amanda's busy with her work she loves, and the girls are in school, and then it's, listen, it's going to be in the morning and at night, huh? How you doing? Oh, no, walk us through that. Yeah, that's when the love happens.
How you doing? And by the way, does it start with that? Does it start with the how you doing? Well, it's in the morning and then how you doing. Why do your eyes get so heavy? You've got to keep it romantic.
Eyes wide is not, there's nothing romantic about eyes wide. Eyes open, you guys do it eyes open? That's shock, that's what I used to do.
Do you guys still do it eyes open, Jason? Yeah. Lots of eye contact, yeah.
The perspective of face to face. Eyes staring at each other, no blinking, no blinking, no blinking.
Wait, i used to go out to a bar with my eyes wide open with a drink in my hand like just looking for anybody was that the amphetamines that was mostly amphetamines right yeah that kept the eyes real bright yeah and then and then my how you doing would be much later yeah after you normally it's okay to say the deed, right? Yeah, that's right. I'm Sean.
Nice to meet you. As you're playing.
After, as you're zipping, you can say, hey, by the way, I'm Sean. Do you mind small bills? And how you doing, by the way? Do you mind small bills? Will, what'd you do during the break, guy, for the last half hour? I went upstairs.
I was playing with the little kids. We were just goofing around.
What does that entail? What get down on the floor you make funny faces yeah get down to the floor do a little bit and what do you do with the legos i mean we did do a little bit of lego really and then yeah we did a little bit of lego and uh and then just with you know denny and and uh what's his name quick the other one no well i was playing with nash too denny and I What's his name? Quick. The other one.
Well, I was playing with Nash, too.

Denny and Nash were both there,

but I was kind of grabbing... Archie or Abel.

No, they're at school, man.

Those are the other two kids.

Yeah.

I know all the kids.

I spend more time with my kids

in the last week.

What's your brother's name?

Real quick, Will.

What's your brother's name?

Garrison.

Nope.

My brother Chuck. My sweet brother Chuck, whom I adore.
Both sisters, quick. Tannis and Shanley.
All right. So my sisters and I grew up, and Chuck was much younger.
Or he is much younger. He's almost 10 years my junior.
So my sisters and I grew up, we were closer in age. My older sisters had two older sisters, Tannis and Shan.
What's up? They're great. With Eddie in Toronto, all of whom you guys know.
Sure, yeah. And then Chuck came along, and he was a surprise, as my parents call him.
Uh-huh. An oops, baby.
Yeah, he was a real pleasant surprise. And we weren't allowed to call him Chuck or Charlie, so we had to call him Charles.
Just oops. True story.
Who's called him oops? Who said that, though? My mom. My mom.
And so then he became Charles-y, which is even worse like oh that is but it still honored her decision about what the name was well yeah we had to honor oh you have to you've met my mom you gotta honor my mom because if you go against Alex now well I didn't name him Chuck she will fucking take you down still to this day so it's Charles she corrects she'll correct your your your uh your grammar or your spell whatever i love it she'll wake you up in the middle of the night to tell you uh you're sleeping how you're sleeping wrong yeah well actually the doctors say that are you on your right side because it's further away from your heart like hey man i was asleep for fuck's sake. Well, actually, technically, you weren't asleep.

Does Chuck prefer Chuck versus Charles?

I think that he doesn't really care, as it turns out.

And so we still call him Chuck, but he has a lot of friends who call him Charles.

How about Chaz?

Ever Chaz?

Never any Chaz. You know who really doesn't care?

You know who really doesn't care?

The guest.

Our guest.

Yeah.

Oh.

You know what, Sean?

I'm sorry, dude.

Are you fucking late, dude?

First of all, it's my guest, and I'll tell you if my guest cares.

Good.

I'm sorry, dude. Are you fucking late, dude? First of all, it's my guest, and I'll tell you if my guest cares.
And I know that she does care because she's interested in people. Oh, it's a female.
See how I'm starting to play like I don't know. You know.
I know. Stop.
Eyebrows high. You start with eyebrows high.
It's a female? What? But you know what? Jason does have something to come with this person in that they were both actors from a young age. Oh.
They've both been doing it for a long time. Is this Drew Barrymore? And then they know, well, and she has had, Drew would be a great guest.
Fuck it, I didn't think about it. I'm working on it.
I know. I wish that, I hope this guest doesn't, I hope my guest doesn't hear that.
She'll love it. She has been in so many things.
She's one, again, one of those people, if you start telling all the things she's in, you're going to know who she is. To me, she is one of the funniest people I know.
Full stop. Full stop.
Every time I spend a moment with this person, even a text from this person, even if I get a smidge of it in a text from this person, I get a laugh. Even if I think about this person in the abstract, if I think about two, six people removed from this person, I'm laughing.
Okay? I had the good fortune of making I guess what you'd call technically a film together many years ago, but we spent a lot of time overseas. We were in Wales together, and we had a lot of laughs, and if it wasn't for each other, we probably both would have gone completely mad.
And she's done so many amazing things, starting with, you know, acclaimed roles like Slums in Beverly Hills to Orange is the New Black to Russian Doll It is Natasha There you go Now you do it God damn it There she is Oh, she's holding a microphone. She's got a hand mic too.
She's got a hand mic. He asked me to put it somewhere, but I said I'm not a professional in this.
No one's ever done the hand mic. This is awesome.
Now, hey, Will, did she spend any time in the Rolls Royce? It's me, Drew Barrymore. You're no Drew Barrymore, but you know what? You'll do.
What would Drew Barrymore do? I love Drew Barrymore. Will, did she spend any time in the Rolls Royce in Wales? It was a Bentley.
No, she never got in the Bentley, I don't think. We did the Bentley in London.
In London, yeah. That's right.
She's got to give memory. See? Oh, we did do the Bentley in London.
Did you ride him back, Natasha? Make him, make your drive? He was your driver? Yeah, he was my chauffeur for the entire... I was your chauffeur.
It's true. You can't quite call that a movie, can you? No, it's tough.
What was it? What was it called? Oh, you guys haven't seen it? It's called Show Dogs. Oh, you guys haven't seen Show Dogs? Oh, no.
This sounds hand-drawn. You know what, though? Very nice people involved.
Very nice people. Very nice people.
A lot of smelly dogs. A lot of dogs.
It was live action. Live action.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Was it? I guess. Do people call you Tasha, Natasha, Tushy? Sure.
Sure. Okay.
Yeah, sure. Call me Tushy.
Tushy. Hey, Tush.
That makes sense. Wait.
Natasha Lyonne, honest to God, one of the people who makes, I said it in the thing. And I'll say it again.
God damn it, I've had some of my biggest goddamn laughs have been in your presence and the stuff that you says, that you say to me. First of all, being with her over there, and having this catering truck, nice guys, super nice guys, but they would make these sandwiches.
Flat white. We were hot for flat whites.
They were so hot. Do you want a flat? Would you like a flat white? I'm like, I don't give a shit.
I just want a coffee. What's a flat white? What's a flat white? It's a coffee, right? And then, but what was the press sandwich called? What would they call it? Do you remember? I was just trying to think of that.
Toasty. A toasty.
A flat white and a toasty. Oh, a toasty for Tushy.
A toasty for Tushy. Have you seen this movie? A toasty.
It's a play. It's a Neil Simon play.
Toasty for Tushy. Were you looking to put on weight for the part, Will? No, but I did.
No, but I did. Flat white sounds like full fat milk and lots of it.
No, it's a grilled cheese sandwich. Well, that's the toasty part.
That's the toasty. And we were like, at a certain point, and Natasha's like, stop making a big deal.
This isn't, why are you guys offering to me like this is like some kind of found fucking delicacy. Nice people.
It's a coffee with milk and a grilled cheese that's been run over by a hot car. You want to have like nine of them a day, though.
Yeah. You do want to have nine of them a day.
I would. So anyway, so we were over there.
We had a lot of laughs. God, we had a lot of laughs, huh? Yeah, but it was dark.
We had a lot. It was dark, but we had a lot of laughs.
Here we are in 2023. It was dark.
Have you guys worked together or hung out since then? No. Why? Why are you guys fighting? What happened? We text.
We text. We text every once in a while.
We text and... Do you find Will a good texter, Natasha? Great question.
I do. I think Will's a pretty solid citizen.
Thank you. I'm a big fan.
Solid citizen. As far as guys go, because guys aren't great texters, right? I mean, do we get away with not being super responsive? Yeah, he is not bad.
You know, the funny person, but also a deep human being, it turns out. Oh, so he'll send you a long one.
Is that what you're saying? Text? It's implied. It's implied.
We have a language. We have a language between us.
And you know what it is? It's between the text, you know? It's the subtext. It's the subtext.
It's the subtext. Does he have good emoji work? Because that's important.
Or good explanation point work. I honestly, I don't remember.
I think what's fun, though, is I think you programmed yourself as Lil Big Willie or something. Let me look.
So I can never find you. It occurs to me periodically to text you, and I look up your name, and I can't find it.
You let him input his number into your phone? Yeah. Yeah, I love that move.
That's when you don't know the person's name. Hey, put your number in my phone.
You hand them the phone. I'll text you now so that it comes.
And you know what? We'd already been shooting for a month. I was like, this guy's great.
He's so funny. We both love flat whites and toasties.
Put your number in here, honey, I said. This is me.
Wait, Natasha. All right, I'm texting you right now so that it comes up.
So, Natasha, you have like one of the coolest voices to ever walk the earth. I'm assuming you're from New York or a part of New York.
Yeah, born here in the city. And I'm worried about the voice, so I'm concerned that it's such a hot topic.
Increasingly, I'm... Oh, really? I mean, that doesn't end well, right? No, I think it's identifiable.
It's one of the greatest things in the world. Do you do voices for cartoons and animated films and stuff like that you have done? I do a measure, but Will's making much more.
Yeah, he's killing it. But we've got the new show now, Poker Face.
Yes? I'm excited for when we're all like 70 and we're like, remember this? I think we're there. I think we're there.
We're vaguely trying to name projects from the past we've maybe or maybe not done. Yes, there's a new program.
Poker Face, please. You tell us.
A new program. No, you tell us about the program that the folks at home can be watching on the television sets.
Natasha, go ahead. You got it.
You got to tune in. You got to tune in.
It's called Poker Face. It's streaming on the cock, right? Cock stream.
That's what they call it, the cock. Is it on the cock? We gave it the name.
No, who was it of our guests gave it the name? Peacock. But said, you got to call it the cock, obviously.
They told me I'm in the flock now. You're in the cock flock.
I in the cock flock. I'm in the cock flock.
You're in the cock flock. You're streaming out of the cock flock.
I'm streaming out of the cock flock. If you want to stream in the cock flock, you got to download Peacock.
Get in the cock flock stream. Laptop show.
And it's, uh, Ryan Johnson created it. I love Ryan Johnson.
I passed a friend of the show and a very talented man. Yeah.
What a nice person. And, uh, it's called Poker Face.
Yeah. It just came out today.
Maybe in the middle of the night, I guess they drop shows. And, uh...
It doesn't... To me, that seems weird.
Let's start dropping shows at midnight. You know what I heard it is? Yeah, go ahead.
Your name is Will, yes. Yep.
So I'm saying you're right. I'm currently going by Will, yeah.
So, Will, apparently they do it because if there's a problem, a technical problem, they can fix it in the middle of the night. Isn't that something? Doesn't that tell you so much about your friends at Netflix and so on? Really? It seems a little unfinished.
Yeah. First of all, let me just say this.
Fucking cross your T's and dot your

fucking I's before you release a show, okay?

Streamers? Right. Okay.
This is

just word to the streamers.

But are you not at the age where you

suddenly have that revelation

that everybody

is just another person and they're just

doing their best? Like, I remember being a youth

and I would think,

surely adults have got this handled.

And once you sort of turn something over,

Jason, you know this from Ozark or I know from running Russian Doll.

It's like you hand it over from the edit and you think,

okay, that's it.

My part is over.

Here are the deliverables.

They got it.

Godspeed.

And then you find out about all these additional details

while you're in the edit and you're like,

I'm sure. on the bus is my next show.
It's just, the planet is just a fucking huge bus full of bozos.

Yeah, it is.

And you're being self-effacing there too,

I'm sure,

in that none of us,

everybody's an idiot,

including us,

and it takes the best parts

of all of us

and none of the bad parts

to make something

kind of semi-round, right?

And with all the people it takes,

all the people that are involved

in a film or a show

or anything like that,

it's amazing that

not one of those people

screws it up

Thank you. right and with all the people it takes all the people that are involved in a film or a show or anything like that it's amazing that not one of those people screws it up you know beyond recognition uh it's like it's a miracle when stuff comes out that's halfway decent whereas if you're a painter just takes one person one brush boom you get what you get but this stuff is really tons of people on the team right so many people there's.
There's so many aspects and layers. And it is crazy that, like when you see old photos of Thelma Shoemaker, yeah, the Scorsese editor.
Yeah. And they're kind of sitting there and the pictures are so iconic and she's over there and they're cutting the film.
And it's like, we did it. Yeah.
You know what I mean? That's that's what the movie is now right and making things in this era as a director or something is bananas because even things like uh i remember screeners of russian all this season went out without subtitles and i was like oh these people must think i'm really a maniac like i'm just making a full European art film. Just things like that will happen.
Yeah. Things can go bad at a lot of different stages.
And even if things go great and they're well executed, just the taste might be a little bit different than everything you guys have been doing in development and in production. In other words, if the marketing dresses it up in an outfit that is not reflective of what you're going to see when you actually watch the thing, now you've told people basically to, pardon the metaphor, you've gotten them all excited about a great Chinese food dinner, but you then end up serving them the greatest Italian food you've ever made, but they give it a false negative because it doesn't taste anything like Chinese food.
You know, that fucking metaphor,

or I forgot, you already asked for pardon for that.

Pardon, yeah.

Sorry, because I was going to attack that metaphor.

It was a little clunky,

but I think the message is sent.

And thus,

they go by the cloak of darkness

in the middle of the night,

like little elves,

and they put it,

they drop these things on.

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You've had, you've been in, listen, let's be honest, you've been in show business since day one. Out the womb.
Out the womb, you've been in show business. You've been doing this thing.
You've been out there. You've been doing it.
And you've done it all. You've been a star.
You've been a thing. And now you're a filmmaker.
Excuse me very much. Storyteller, Will.
Storyteller. Storyteller.
I don't know if you know about our aversion to the term storyteller because now everybody's a storyteller everybody just wants to tell stories i'm picturing gideon from all that jazz coming out the womb with jazz hands you know no it's disgusting it's a disgusting image only sean likes it showtime you can go park and you can you can you can get a you can get a fabulous teamster driving you over from parking to base camp. And they're like, well, you know, as a storyteller, I'm like, you're telling a story too? Everybody's telling a story here today, huh? Everybody's got a story.
Everybody's got a story. But you started, you've done so many different things in so many different eras of your life.
Forget eras of the world, eras of your life. You must look back and and every is every part of your life and jason you too is marked by what you were working on what you were doing professionally when it when it's so ever-present you know guys sean and i grew up and we we didn't grow up making movies and we didn't start doing the acting and getting paid for it until we were in our 20s and 30s.
You guys were doing it when you were kids. It must be this thing that is constantly, like, it's been ever-present in your life.
Yeah. What is that experience like, Natasha? I know Jason's answer.
I mean, I will say that there was a time I experienced it almost like, are you familiar with this Fellini short film, Spirits of the, Spirits? It's part of a trilogy called Spirits of the Dead. They are not familiar with it.
Which is, but you are. Which is, anyway, they're adaptations of Edgar Allen Poe short stories and one is Roger Vadim and one is Louis Moll.
And then there's the Fellini one, it's called Toby Dammit with Terrence Stamp. And it's very, it's very dark.
It's almost like satanic. And it's like a warped circus.
And it's sort of that version of the showbiz experience that's very, you know, wrapped in darkness and, you know, it's, and it's drunk and it's high and it's kind of that. And so I definitely would say that I'd had that window.
And then now all of a sudden, you know, in my forties, it's somehow really flipped over the past kind of decade where there's a sort of a beauty to all of that memory and attachment because now all of a sudden the players are becoming so recycled of, you know, friends of like 25 years or something, you know, whether that's Amaya or you're Amy and a Russian Null or like, it's something that leads me to, with Ryan, that was so much of why I was so game for this show is I could tell, sort of spot him from a distance of, oh, you're going to be one of these players. Like as soon as we worked together, well, I was like, oh, of course we're going to end up working together again.
He's going to be so funny when he's old. Like I don't even really think of it as show dogs, this movie we made that I guess involved talking dogs.
I think of it as you and I walking around Wales being like, what's happening? What are we doing? Ordering more flat whites, like doubled over, laughing hysterically. And that whenever I see you, I think of us laughing.
I don't really think of us in a essentially failed talking dog picture. You know what I mean? So somewhere along the way, it went from like a head trip about the thing to the beauty of the thing of like a life in the arts.
Right. It all comes back around.
That's beautifully said. Yeah, I love that.
Jay, what's your experience like in that? I joked earlier on that I know your answer. I don't know your answer.
I mean, you're... Similarly, you've...
It's been such an ever-present thing in your life. Yeah, I mean, and there's good and bad of that.
I'm sure Natasha, you'd agree. It's like, there's, uh, there's, it's, there's something great about having started so young, but then there's also like, well, but maybe we should have tried to do something else too, or, um, you know, being, well, it's not my interview, but, uh, I feel very, very lucky as I'm sure you do, Natasha, that we're both still working in this business.
You know, longevity is a real metal. Or rather, I should say I'm proud of that, that I'm still making a living at it because it's fickle.
And is that how you came to being like, oh, shit, now I got to start writing and directing? For me, I look back and I realize that, so I think at five years old, I'm on Pee Wee's Playhouse or whatever, and I know he's not very trendy right now, but at the time, you know, when I was 15 and I was in this Woody Allen movie, it was like such a big deal and it felt like, ah, this is the cherry on top of a decade of acting, something my parents put me into. And then at 16, I was skipped by Tisch to be a film and philosophy double major.
I was like, oh, I'll read all these philosophy books and then I'll write and direct these sort of Bergman, but funny movies because I'll be a filmmaker now. And then it sort of, you know, took 20 years to kind of get back there.
And it ended up being, I guess, all the things. Was that similar to your version of how you got here? Yeah, you sort of, you have career, like I wanted to be the next Robert De Niro you know, when I was like 12 and it was like, well, yeah, but I'm getting kicked out of class for being a class clown, so maybe When you got kicked out of class, what, they just pulled the bus over and let you off at Wilshire in Santa Monica? Because Jason was going to school in a massage bus that toured Los Angeles.
Kids massaging each other. Not untrue.
But yeah, you're like, well, maybe I'll go for the goal later. Meanwhile, I need to kind of make a living.
And aren't we both so, so fortunate that we've stayed afloat long enough to circle back to our original sort of dreams of doing things that are different than what we've kind of become known for. Right.
But the thing is, but so interesting about both of you guys is, and I'm not even joking, I'm learning stuff now that you guys probably learned, you know, 20 years before me having started so young. So you guys did have, what's that? I don't believe that.
Sorry, I don't believe that you're learning stuff now. I feel like I am.
No, just in general, sorry. Just in general? Single sentence.
Yeah, sorry, I just had to cut you off there. I know you very well and it doesn't seem like you're learning anything.
Probably true. But it's not surprising.
Sean, and actually I think that you're right. I have the same thing.
I learn stuff way later, stuff just that they know because they've grown up in it. It's in your bodies already.
I'm still, no joke, I'm still learning stuff that's in your bones. But they're both smart.
I'm not surprised. not surprised you're both smart you're both super talented and so it's no wonder that you've kind of maintained that and i think people say well you know this guy he had a bad he had a he was young and he was a performer and then he didn't really work out and you know truth be told they might have not been that smart or that talented i mean let's be honest.
You know? You can get away with quite a bit of

non-smarts and non-talent

when you're, you know,

8, 9, 10, 12, 13 years old

just for a self-serial. Most kids are dumb.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And most kids are really dumb.

And I want that. I like that

the amount we've transitioned to attacking children.

The thing about kids

is they're fucking stupid.

And then they come out here and they try to do grown-up stuff with their kid shit. And I'm all done with it.
They're crapping in their pants. You know.
I used to have this acting teacher. Get a license, you dumb fuck.
I used to have this acting teacher in New York, this guy, George Loras. He was a great guy.
And he'd go, when you're working with a kid, what fucking experience is a kid going to draw on? They don't fucking know anything. But I'm fascinated by this because you'll see kids in movies and stuff who have this unbelievable range of ability to express emotion.
You're like, how do you know that? Isn't that bizarre? They're psychos. Yeah.
They're total psych yeah total psychos psychos exactly i i remember i when i auditioned for little house in the prairie i had to cry for michael landon and i remember just we all did you train your brain to think about the most horrific thing in the world to bring up the tears how old were you then you 11 and it's like, it's a muscle that is very unhealthy.

You know, like still to this day, if I got a crying camera,

I will think of the most horrific thing I can,

which currently is something terrible happening to my children, knock on wood.

So I look at pictures on my iPhone right before they start rolling

of my sweet children.

And I imagine horrific things happening to them.

I start getting weepy and I say, okay, let's go.

It's like, what are we doing? We need new jobs. We need new jobs.
That's terrible. Natasha, you don't do anything like that, do you? I mean, you don't think about Jason's horrible things happening with Jason's kids.
Weirdly, I do. She needs to laugh.
That's great. What a similar process.
Oh, my God. It would be so horrible if something happened to these beautiful children.
I brought this up before. I think, Jason, you used to, if people are breaking up on, if people are, you know, corpsing, like going up and laughing on set, that you'll think about awful things happening to them.
Close. I actually, this is a true story.
Will Speck told me that. When you guys were doing Office Christmas Party, he said that, and everybody was cracking up doing this one scene.
You go, how are you not cracking up? You said, I just imagine all of them dying. Yeah.
It's not, it's actually worse than that. If pinching my leg under camera, under frame doesn't work, I will actually just think they, these other actors that are being very, very funny are ruining the movie.
That they're being terrible actors and they're destroying this project. I love that that's worse than something that...
Exactly. I get into disdain.
Nothing i get nothing worse than ruining you guys are killing comedy disdain wipes the humor out of my world so natasha where was all right so now you had all these great things you've done all these things as you mentioned you did you know which at a time again not very popular uh for a lot of reasons but the woody allen picture that was always like the the kind of the hallmark of somebody who has accomplished a lot when you get asked to be part of one of those ensembles you go this is somebody who's important it was kind of like a stamp right to get cast in those at that moment you are an important so you had that you you were doing a lot of very cool stuff and and then uh you've gone on to do lots of, you started working in television. In fact, you were one of the first streaming shows around was Orange is the New Black.
And you became, you were a regular on that for seven years? Yeah, it was a long time. How did you, as somebody who was such a stalwart in film, what was that transition like for you going to doing an effective TV series? Was that something that you were interested in? Or did you need the job at the time and you were like, fuck it, this is a great opportunity? Or I don't know, did you like that process? Yeah, it was super weird.
I mean, I definitely, I even hear the way Ryan and I will talk about this, you know, Poker Face Mystery Show, and we share a love of Philip Marlowe, you know, and Altman's The Long Goodbye. You know, I love it so much that in co-creating Russian Null, there's like a cat oatmeal, and it's a direct rip from The Long Goodbye.
Like, there's so much about that Philip Marlowe thing, but you know, when I think of Peter Falk and like the love of Peter Falk, it's not just Columbo. I really think about all those Cassavetes films.
You know, as a teenager, I was like, this is who I am. And then I'll be in them and then write them, direct them.
And you were. You were an indie film person.
Yeah, and it was just, you know, and Philip Marlowe, whatever, Jack Nicholson, Chinatown. And he also has references I don't have, like The Rockford Files or Magnum P.I.
Like I sort of, he seems to sort of know all of the lineage and I'm pretty strictly film or if anything, even, you know, John Fonte or Raymond Chandler books, which he knows all of that too, but I'm just saying that I don't have that same fluency with television. So for sure, I always kind of raised myself on movies and thought that was the big goal.
And then, yeah, I mean, basically I was a, you know, pretty serious junkie for, I don't know, I guess I lost like a decade in there, which is always why I'm pickled, so I look terrific, never looked better. And also, I have the youth and the vibrancy of a 30-something, thanks to losing a decade of life.
You know what I mean? So those are the upshots, Will. You're kind of like a running back, like a football player who goes on to the sidelines for 10 years and comes back and he hasn't been getting hurt for 10 years, so he's still young.
He's still young. Right? So that's you.
I'm young and hard. There was 10 years of fun and frolicking and no real career work because I had one of those decades.
You did? Yeah, yeah. I didn't really know that about you.
And I didn't about yours either. That's why I'm asking.
That's what I meant by the Fellini short film. I guess it was too obscure.
I guess I was speaking in coded language. Well, now, I came out of it with, first of all, an appreciation of employment and another at-bat, another crack at relevancy.
And you were partying pretty hard. Let's just say it that way, right? You were, Jay? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I mean, sure.
I mean, I was out having fun every night. It was more sort of hedonism and debauchery than, you know, something I felt like I needed to check myself in for.
But either way, I came out of it with, like, that appreciation, but also kind of seasoned and weathered and a little bit broken. And I felt that that really helped some of my acting stuff, some of the directing stuff.
And my taste in things was, I think, more sophisticated, having gone through something a little less privileged and protected than, you know, being wrapped up in the business. Well, I would say for sure, because it's really all the things you need to know about the human condition, belly of the beast, heart of darkness.
It's kind of seemingly like why Kerouac goes on the road. You know, I think that anyway, that the romanticism that surrounds it, you do sort of, you know, return with, of course, the only problem is if you make it out alive.
And then they sort of, the thing that's less spoken is, you know, just how dark those dark nights of the soul are, just how much that it ultimately, you know, doesn't work. Like you can't sort of stop the negative self-talking, self-criticizing mind no matter what you do.
So you're sort of really doomed

to then also sort of take the years to correct it.

It's a long way of saying that's how I ended up on,

you know, what at the time was an internet show.

Like as you guys know so much about Netflix

and kind of who knew.

But certainly that was not the dream.

But it's hard.

Hulu's a different thing.

But so did you,

but Natasha, thank you for laughing.

I really appreciate it.

Well, I was going to say, I just wanted to say, yeah, you know, you can, you run the risk, of course, in those of doing irreparable damage and not just sort of physically like that you can't come back from, but almost, almost spiritually and, and, and right. If that darkness gets too dark, can you make that rebound

and come back and live a life that where you're not too scarred by the self-inflicted wounds? And are you able to let it go? It's a razor's edge. Yeah.
Are you able to let it go? Are you able to move on? Some of that is like, can you give yourself a break? Can you forgive yourself? Can you forgive all those things? Can you, can you make that, that step? And I look from what I know about you, um, you know, I think that one of the great things is, is you're a very open person. And I know that you help a lot of people and you're very generous.
You have, you're very generous of spirit and of heart. And I bet you, that's a big part of, of how you've been able to come back.
I've, I've seen it firsthand. And it's one of the things that I really admire about you.
I appreciate that. But let's give Natasha some questions.
Thank you, honey. Wait, Sean, are you doing an Oscar Levant situation? He sure is.
And what is the date in the theater, please, oscar it's april it opens april 24th

at the belasco theater in new york in new york you know i am obsessed with oscar levant he's

one of my favorite figures of all time and i feel like with that coincidence we'd be remiss to not

say i mean that's a guy who knows about oh god this whole game yeah yeah he's he yeah he was

one of my favorite uh one-liners was uh he said i take prescription pills for the side effects

Let's go. Oh, God, all of it.
This whole game. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he was... One of my favorite one-liners was, he said, I take prescription pills for the side effects.
Right, sure. Well, then, Natasha, it sounds like you're coming to opening night with us on the 24th.
Yeah, I don't want to know that. We're going to be in New York now.
Come on, come with us. It's going to be amazing.
Natasha, do you... Sean knows.
Sean! We're here. He said, don't let him know if you're there.
I think he means before the curtain. So once the curtain goes up.
Sean, that was so funny. That last line was so funny.
God, that would be my worst nightmare. I'm going to get Natasha to come with us.
So, but Natasha, do you, by the way, we can cut this or whatever, but I'm always fascinated by addiction.

It's been in my family.

It's been in my friends, whatever.

It's been all around me my whole life.

Do you ever feel a pullback there? And what do you do to stop that desire if you do feel that?

Or are you so on the other side that you're like, not at all?

You know, it's helpful to get older because you're lazier. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like it would take, it takes so much energy to be, like, scoring.
You got to put the number in the beeper and then you got to meet the guy on the side of the road. It's cold now.
You're standing on the corner and they're not meeting you. Now you're strung out.
Now it's in the morning. You know what I mean? You got to get more cash from the ATM.
It's just, yeah, it's a lot of ATM shenanigans. A lot of energy, yeah.
And I just, I don't know if I've got it like that anymore, but I would say that, you know, for sure, it is sort of like core to a DNA or whatever that I have on both sides of the coin. You know, whether that's like the darkness of it or the lightness of sort of emerging from that and seeing life through a greater, you know, perspective or a prism of sort of gratitude or something.
But it's also like helpful in weird situations. Like, I don't know if you guys who have any experience with this find that, like I'm not much moved something like night shoots or something you know like I'll see a lot of people that are walking around being like oh my god it's so crazy it's like 3 a.m.
I'm like who am I you know and I'm like who am I I've always been the caretaker you know what I mean 3 a.m. is my hour baby I'm like if I'm driving home with the sun, this is usually a bad sign.
Yeah. So I don't like night shoots.
It reminds me of the old days. Yeah.
But what about addiction? Like, I'll always be an addict. I've just managed to channel that into something much less hurtful, much more productive, much more upstanding.
Do you mean just pure workaholism? Because, yeah, I'm like now, and when people are like,

oh, my God, how do you do it?

You're like a writer, a director, a showrunner, a divider, you're acting.

And you're like, well, it's all one job, and I'm an obsessive.

I mean, it's another way of being like, and you've got the company,

and you've got like 19 shows, and you want to direct three movies,

and how are you going to do all that?

And it's like, well, you know, how did I, you know, smoke all that dust? That was not my problem. PCP was not my problem.
Sure, sure. But if it were, you would have worked.
I'd love to be able to say smoke and dust. How was your weekend? Mainly smoke and dust.
I was so fucking dusted this weekend. I love, I wish I'd smoked dust.
Wait, and I read a long... They say is not a relapse, by the way.
Oscar Levant said that. No, Levant said eating ain't cheating.
That was Levant. Eating ain't cheating.
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But you know what I love, Natasha, is the ease. I don't know, there's something about the way that you deal with and talk about that time in your life.
Cause I don't want to spend too much time on it, but I know, look, I always think about it from my experiences. I needed contrast and it's been a lifelong thing for me of dealing with that contrast and going through those times.
I, again, I don't prescribe it for anybody. Um, but sort of coming out the other end of it, it, it does give you, I don't know, perspective.
And I've had so much perspective and I've been the beneficiary of so many people's so much kindness and so many other people have been really helpful and great people in my life. And it's given me now as I'm 52, such a different appreciation for life and appreciation for my kids and appreciation for the people I love.
And it gives me such a great, better, um, approach to life day to day. I, I don't sweat the small stuff in ways that I used to.
Uh, I don't, all that kind of shit. I'm just, I don't know.
I wake up every day. I don't know about you.
I wake up every day and I'm like, boy, I'm happy. It's a nice day out today.
Boy, I'm lucky. I'm having'm having this cup of coffee boy i got to suck back six cigarettes while i'm doing my little you know what i mean the beautiful things well you can't you definitely i would say you know first of all i mean i'm transparent about it um well one aspect of it is i i have no choice right like in other words it's out there i guess lucky that it wasn't in cell phone era.
Yeah. So there's not too many crazy pictures, but, you know, it was definitely news.
And, um... I didn't hear it.
It's news to me on this, and I gobble up a bunch of pop culture. No, you don't fucking follow any.
You should read some, like, the post from the 90s, I feel like. Really? Just go backlog, microfiche, you'll find it.
Microfiche. You know.
Amanda, his wife, who you might know, complained to me the other day at how little you pay attention to what's going on. Well, no, but it's because I'm busy watching the news.
No, you're not watching the news. But I think more than that, there's an opportunity there, you know, in the transparency, which makes you sort of, like, I always feel like I have this sort of duty, in a way, to my inner child, for lack of a better term, which is really, like, she wants to, she very badly wants to tell the truth.
Like, she really is, like, hell-bent on integrity and good times and hanging out and is sort of like a misfit and lawless. And I have to kind of like wrangle her and make her do adult stuff.
But mostly she just doesn't understand, and I would say I have this very much in common with Charlie, this character from Pogreface, who like doesn't understand the point of lying since we all die. Like John Lennon says, just give me some truth, you know, and really doesn't understand why the setup or the conceit of life is about, you know, small talk and being fake and lying about how well you're doing.
Like there's nothing inherently embarrassing about life being a double-edged sword. And, you know, the buy-in of the game is we all die in the end and that's a super head trip.
And the whole time you're supposed to be sort of ambitious and involved in this rat race and watching out for your health. And, you know, you see bodies piling up of, you know, people, suicide rates or whatever.
It's just, it's hard to kind of make sense of the riddle of the game. And addiction certainly helps you to understand that, like, every person, I mean, it's one of the darkest parts of showbiz is, you know, the solipsism that comes with people thinking they're the center of the universe.
So like that revelation of getting clean is that's the big one, right? And you start to see that everybody is a real person who's going through all their own little micro dramas and darkness and all this stuff. So So I don't know, just globally, to me, it feels like transparency is a sort of, you may as well, because what's the difference? Like there's such a better chance of helping.
Well, I think the only problem is you run the risk of, because people have sensationalism and click feed and bait and all that kind of stuff that they want to take, boil what you say and your views on stuff and boil it down to, I remember once when I was very honest about the fact that I had relapsed, you know, I say relapsed, but whatever that means to people. When I had gone out and had been drinking and there was like a, you know, all of a sudden like the Daily Mail, like, Will Arnett admits that he hit the bottle.
Well, I didn't fucking hit the bottle. You know, it's like, and that's, and then it was picked up a bunch of different stuff.
And so then somebody else is like, hey, you don't want to talk about it anymore? I go, not really, because every time I do, it fucking smacks me in the face because somebody writes some snarky fucking one-line click thing. So it's like.
Yeah, but that's the media's agenda, you know, and that's their business. It's none of our business.
But what I sense from you, Will, and from you, Natasha, and I try to do is do exactly what you're talking about, Natasha, which is be mindful of that little kid that's still in all of us. And if you're honest with that little kid and you give that little kid the agency that that kid deserves in your life, you know, that presence in your life.
And you don't try to, you know, work on some veneer or some artifice that keeps that little kid hidden in and instead let that kid be a part of your, your decisions and your behavior every single day, then you're not asking people to buy a bunch of shit that you can't sell real good you know you're just being honest and and being you and being the only you there's only one natasha i think i think that's right natasha do you i was thinking about this last night do you have i think that there's great power in being vulnerable amen or being open it's the only way we can be funny all four of us are funny like that you can't, there's nothing funny about somebody who's bulletproof. Like it's all about, you know, warts and all.
Because, you know, the thing that, what you touched on, Natasha, about talking about we're all going to die, I think about that all the time and not in a morbid way, but it makes you become self-aware. I bet you're first, Sean.
Just saying it now. It makes you become self-aware enough to do exactly what Will's about to say which was become vulnerable so if you're aware of your existence and your soon-to-be non-existence you know it makes you go like you said like who gives a shit about any of it let you be open be honest be vulnerable tell people how you feel in the moment and if it scares you it's a way to overcome that fear of expressing your emotion.
I think, you know, and I do definitely feel like that softening happening of like, I think it was so, I think I was, you know, I was so into kind of like tough guys as a kid growing up. That's probably why I had like this, you know, action or whatever.
I'd watch it on Scarface or like Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, that's what I want to be. And like you were saying, De Niro.
And I mean, I loved, you know, action or whatever. I'd watch Scarface or like Sylvester Stallone, Rocky, that's who I want to be.
And like you were saying, De Niro. I mean, I loved, you know, Betty Davis and Jessica Lange and whatever, but really I was like, those are my guys.
And I think also in many ways I was using that as a way to sort of be safe in the world and say, hey, I'm not like this other game. And now over the years, even in talking about things like addiction, which is just something that never goes away.
I mean, those are just like facts. There's nothing to really hide there.
It'd be a scam to say otherwise. I do now feel this sort of softening happening where, yeah, it's just you may as well tell the truth because what else are you going to do? And you may as well, like, you know, Will, when you say I wake up and it's a beautiful day and I'm grateful, it's like, you know, for sure sometimes that takes me a second, but it's like the gift in a way is the experience or the familiarity with self to not take it too seriously anymore, kind of, whatever, that sort of, I guess, more like a Buddhist idea of watching the thoughts or something so i'm more like all right i think it's a piece of shit day but we're gonna get up and like have some coffee and i mean it's really for me the joy of comedy or like you know um like spending this kind of life with fred and my and amy is like just that sense of now we're laughing hysterically about a third thing.
And in that space, it is an altered state. And now I'm kind of, I've had a full mood shift where suddenly I'm stoked and now I'm in the car driving and the sun is sort of, you know, music's playing and I'm like, it's not that bad, is it? Yeah.
That's your new healthy drug. Jason, can I ask you a question? Do you find that you're sort of like, before you start a season of Ozark, like for me with Russian Doll, it's a little bit like before I start the season, I'm like, and that's who I'm going to be.
And I'm going to wake up and I'm going to be excited about this cup of coffee. I'm so great.
I get to have this show and it's my baby and it's going to be great. And then the rush of sort of like, almost like the thinking at that level and working yourself at that level in the writer's room and the like the pre-production and that you're really, you find yourself getting tight and it's not quite, it's not as easy as it was.
Like you really have to set aside time to not buy into the fact that this sort of alternate reality, that sort of anxiety based, you know what I mean, of just logistics in a way is – because sometimes I find that I have to really like – that's when the rubber meets the road for me of, you know – did you find that? Yeah, there's a lot of logistics and nuts and bolts and blocking and tackling that goes into what up until you start work is just this pure – it just lives in your brain and it's going to be perfect. And there's the, I think it was Ben Stiller that made some analogy once that like starting a movie as a director is the painting is perfect.
And then all the way through the production and development, principal photography, and then post, you're trying to, there's like this fungus that starts to come in from the, whatchamacallit, the frame of the picture. Yeah.
And it starts to take over the picture and you got to just keep the fungus back from the, and if you can get maybe you're done when maybe there's 30% of the picture is infested with this fungus, you've done pretty good. And the fungus is probably a little bit more of a pejorative than what he meant, but it's you bring in all these collaborative thoughts and oftentimes are better thoughts, but it changes your picture.
It changes the painting and that doesn't deserve a false negative. It actually changing the picture is actually a good thing because that is the result of, you know, sort of this teamwork and this, you know, it takes a village and let people contribute.
I find that that's when I really like, I really, you know, when I'm sort of with my friends in Costa Rica and we're surfing, I'm like, yeah, fucking A, man, this is good. And I find that that's the most when i have to sort of reset and not sort of buy the lie of the mind that like this is so real the stakes are so high and that's when like things are really that's when i can almost you know when it's sort of that time is that sort of significant is when i really feel sort of all the kind of work on self or revelations or whatever.
Like I remember walking on set on Russian doll and it's scary. You know, season two COVID is so this like the COVID shit is very intense when you're the boss, right? Like it's scary anyway, but now you're responsible for so many people's health.
And I remember at one point, like walking onto the stage and they were like, hello, hello, Natasha. And I walked down and, you know, do all the jobs, right? And I was like, holy shit.
This is, like, exactly where I was supposed to be, you know? Meaning despite all of that, all the other kind of, like, outside elements, it was so sure kind of in my bones. And, like, that's what I mean by, by like me and the kid were kind of happy.
And then we were sort of delighted by the kind of anxiety. And I sort of like, I felt the road widen a little bit of, oh, that's right.
This is like this fun, crazy thing that like we get to do. It's not, you know, this is that thing that I really, really love doing.
I mean, directing in general is a very joyous sport, I would say, of it just feels so awake and alive in a way that sometimes I think when I'm only acting, like it's different on something like this because, you know, Ryan and I have like a real partnership, meaning in many ways I think, or even I would say for us, show dogs was like the two of us were in it together. Meaning on some level it's like a body of work where it becomes the collaborator is what matters because you feel like you're in something together, you know? But yeah, sometimes if you're just like, you know, acting and you have no say, you can almost feel very far like, the center of the action and kind of, all right, so you're just going to tell me, who's, like, a middle-aged person who's been doing this for 35 years, like, oh, should I come stand over there or something? You're concerned I'm going to go pee and maybe I'll never come back.
I'll forget that we're shooting, you know? Like, they're just so concerned all the time. Are you directing any of these poker faces? Oh, yeah.
I did one that's not... The last one we finished because of the schedule and everything, but it's Nick Nolte.
I got to direct Nick Nolte. Oh, wow.
Oh, yes. Now, there's a real troublemaker.
He was great. Was he responsive to your direction? Oh, yes.
And, like, we had that thing that you're talking about, that, like, vulnerability that comes on the other side of darkness or whatever,

which is we speak, like, we speak you the same Ingi, you know?

That's great.

We had a lot of fun together.

That's cool.

And, oh, my God, I love him.

Yeah.

He's so interesting.

What a great actor.

I'm a huge fan of his.

I haven't thought about him in a minute.

I haven't seen him in a minute.

He brings a lot.

I'm so glad that you got him to do this.

That's going to be cool.

Oh my god, he's so, like, that face is really addictive. That's what I mean by, like, at the, you're standing at the monitor and, like, you know, we use all these zoom guns on Poker Face, like, little, like, Altman slow zooms or whatever.
Yeah. And you're just, like, standing at the monitor riveted, just pushing in onolte.
And all he's doing is thinking, you're like, oh, that's a fucking actor. Like, you know, that's just the smallest like flicker and you're fascinated.
Like, how do I get inside of your face? I love you using the zoom too, instead of the dolly push. It's such a different feel.
It's, I just, I dork out on that. Yeah, that's a lot like Ryan, I guess, I guess it's Stevie Edlin shot the pilot who does all the, you know, Brick and Looper and Star Wars and all the Knives Out, Glass Onion with him.
And yeah, a lot of that's like baked into the DNA of even, you know, like the Columbo pilot that Spielberg did where it's got that long shot down to the road. Wow.
Yeah. I was just thinking about how do I get inside your face and that's obviously what the sodium said to you, Jason, last night.
Yeah. But it did.
It got there. It got no resistance for me.
It got there. It got there.
The door was wide open. Natasha, would you be happy if you did nothing but direct the rest of your career as opposed to act or you want to do a little of each? I mean, I think so.
I'm definitely, like, wanting to be in my Sidney Pollack era where, you know, like, Kubrick calls you up and says, hey, come be in, you know. Eyes Wide Shut.
Yeah, come be in Eyes Wide Shut. But mostly you're kind of, also I like, I feel like we don't talk about those guys enough.
Like the Sidney Pollacks who are just kind of, oh, man. Or you can direct it like Tootsie and just give yourself a great role in it.
Exactly. But that kind of, I would like to be that guy.
That's like my dream sweet spot. Right, right.
It's so funny you say, I just watched for a different reason. I watched the first half of Husbands and Wives the other night.
And Sidney Pollack's in that. I remember in the first scene he comes in, he says they're're getting divorced they're going to go for a thing.
He's so great. There was something and then I was thinking about him and Tootsie and stuff and this guy is like he's a fucking gem wasn't he? He did so many episodes of Will and Grace.
He played Will's dad. He was great.
Sidney Pollack? Yeah. It was fantastic.
Wow. It's amazing to and so are you Natasha.
You did an episode of Will and Grace. I sure did.
Favreau puts himself in a lot of the movies he does, too. Yeah.
John likes a little acting. Yeah, I mean, I think that's sort of, I guess, you know, Ron Howard's done very nicely for himself, but I guess he doesn't.
Does he really act at all anymore? No, he puts Clinton. Puts Clinton instead.
He puts his brother and he won't do it. Danny DeVito, you know, really underrated.
I mean, he's made some major movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know. Clooney directs himself.
Affleck directs himself. Yeah, yeah.
Jakey Bates. Jason Bateman directs himself.
Yeah, Lil' Jakey Bates. Bradley.
Think about Bradley. Bradley with Maestro.
You know, obviously Star is Born Incredible, and now his new film, Maestro, is off the charts. Can't wait.
Have you seen it? Can't wait to see it. It's stunning.
Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing.
Well, and also he's done such a great job that it feels like a real event when he's directing something, and also he gets to work with so many great people when he's just acting, you know, because I think, and I sort of have this theory that we're all going to look back as, you know, we're dying. We're not going to really remember kind of like in this one, I was the director, but this one, I was an executive producer.
Like just all of that sort of sense of ego around it'll fall away and it'll be more like sort of like flashes of the things we made with the people we were hanging out with or something getting back to what you were talking about before it's like i'd be happy if i spent the rest of my life just working with the folks that i've really enjoyed working with and my friends and i mean i think we've accrued a nice big troop we should start uh just getting going on that yeah but i do i love that directing it me so happy. Yeah.
It really does. Oh, Natasha.
We've taken 10 more minutes than an hour. That's going to cost us.
We've gone longer with you than we usually go with people. Yeah.
Yeah. And you said $100 per minute over the 60? Wow.
So that's $1,000. We'll split that up three ways.
Yeah. Well, it was a tough deal, but I'm glad you came.
I'm so glad that you said yes to coming in and doing this show, Natasha. Honestly, I just love talking to you.
You're such a great person. Thank you, Natasha.
Thank you. I'm so happy for all your success.
And I'm very happy about Poker Face. Can't wait.
Wait, is it out or it's coming? Oh, it's out. It's out now.
It's on Peacock. It's on Peacock.
It's really pretty great. I mean, Ryan is

great. Ryan Johnson, Poker

Face on the streaming on the cock.

Yeah. Um, wherever

you can, wherever you get your cock.

Wherever you get your cock from.

Because I don't know if some people use Apple TV

or they get another thing, but what I'm saying is

wherever it is that you generally get your cock.

That's what you do. This is a great stream coming out of it.
Sean, I'm really coming to that Oscar Levant. I'm saying is wherever it is that you generally get your cock, this is a great stream

coming out of it.

Sean, I'm really coming

to that Oscar Levant.

I'm telling you right now.

I would love it.

Come see.

We'll carpool.

In the April,

we're all going to the premiere.

It's going to be a big event.

It's going to be incredible.

So you're welcome to come.

Please do.

We'd love to have you.

Come anytime.

All right, guys.

Thank you.

Come anytime.

On the cock.

On the cock.

Okay.

Thank you, Natasha Lyonne. We love you.
You're the greatest. Thank you, honey.
Thank you, Natasha. Thanks, guys.
Thanks so much. Bye.
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
I've never told a guest to slam it. Have you? Have you told it? Well, we did two of your guests today.
They both slammed. I have never.
Well, explain what slam means. Well, when you just shut the laptop and end the interview instead of doing the awkward sort of like, okay, so goodbye, guys.
That was fun. Right after saying goodbye and then before they end, they just, yeah.
Maybe Bennett and Rob are giving them the heads up to go ahead and do the slam thing. Because we don't need follow-up at the end with them, you know? Yeah, exactly.
We just had an hour. Here's what I love about her, by the way.
I love that she's like completely open, unapologetic. Comfortable.
You can talk about anything. She's no nonsense, man.
I've never talked to her. I've never hung out with her.
Have you not? No. I mean, I think I've met her a couple of times.
I think I've met her once with Amy when she was doing a Russian doll singing a Netflix thing. Yeah.
Yeah. And, but that's it.
Yeah, that's the most I've ever heard. Yeah, she and Amy, so Amy produced that Russian doll with her.
That Natasha was the show on her. Yeah, a huge success.
And Amy produced it. A huge success.
They're very good friends. But we didn't really, I knew, I mean, I knew her a little bit just because she and Amy were friends, but she and I became friends doing this kids' movie overseas.
And we had a lot of fun. And she's one of those great people to be kind of out of the country with because she's really funny.
Yeah, she's like a riot. When weird shit happens, she just makes you laugh the best way.
She seems like the best person to hang out with. If we ever take Smartless on the road to Europe, maybe we can make her aie she'd love it she'd love to be a roadie like the highest paid roadie of all time she yeah what do you think of my hair today I think it's really great yeah yeah it looks like you've been riding at a high speed on a motor.
Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

Well, you're the one that went up.

I'm not supposed to go up.

Well, I went down before and it felt like a fizzle.

Oh, okay.

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