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Speaker 2 I'm Sigourney Weaver, and I just want to say, hey, buckle up. Here comes a new Smartless.

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Speaker 1 This is, listener, we're panning Sean's billiard room at his house that's now become your office.

Speaker 1 Wait a second, pan that again he has a such a beautiful office I put a pool table in this room because like an old pool table that was cheap because don't don't don't try no it's true yeah it was cheap I got the cheapest yacht I could find it floats um it's got a beautiful sail

Speaker 1 um no no and so I was like because because it was like a this little room that was an office and I was like I don't need an office I just need

Speaker 1 where is he is he in Toronto Yeah, he's at his parents' place. Oh, there he is.

Speaker 1 Listener,

Speaker 1 Arnett is late, but he's clearly on Toronto time, so that's okay. Are you in, you're in mom's,

Speaker 1 we were just talking about Sean's billiard room, and now you're in your parents' study or library? Is it? Yeah, I'm in my, I'm in my, sorry, I'm in my dad's study. Sorry.
Oh, really?

Speaker 1 Okay, listener, I'll have you know I'm just in the room above the garage. Okay,

Speaker 1 I'm just keeping things real. Yeah, you keep it really real.

Speaker 1 Really real. What else is what's near that room? Is your workout room and your sauna near that room? Well, I have a bunch of things in this one small little space.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I got to move the microphone out of the way if I want to, you know, work out in this room.

Speaker 1 And then if I want to get dressed or shower, I've got to, you know, move the workout stuff out of the way. Yeah.
Hey, you know, you know, my dad's name is Jim, right? Jim Arnold. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 And did you guys know that he likes to drink highlighters?

Speaker 1 It's a mug of highlighters. He's holding up a mug that says Jim on it.

Speaker 1 It says Jim.

Speaker 1 What are you doing in Toronto, Will? Just robbing your folks' place?

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Dot CA, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I make myself laugh, you guys. Do you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just need me. That's it.
Well,

Speaker 1 driving around all

Speaker 1 the time, get a lot of you.

Speaker 1 You guys,

Speaker 1 I went on a

Speaker 1 haunted hayride the other day. Sound it out.
Yep. Haunted hayride.

Speaker 1 Have you guys ever been to that one in Los Angeles? The hayride?

Speaker 1 well i think when i was six or seven oh come on it's fun yep no abel did it uh a couple weeks ago it's fun right so somebody not yet a teenager he's 12.

Speaker 1 and so how was it sean it's fun it's like you guys i think you would like it it's like you know you get in a you get in a wagon with a bunch bunch of people and you know you go through griffith park and they scared the crap out of you it's kind of fun Really?

Speaker 1 It's like a haunted hayride, like the people run out of the bushes and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, speaking of bushes in Griffith Park,

Speaker 1 this is a true story.

Speaker 1 I used to run outside.

Speaker 1 Now I run here in my small little closet of a room here with a treadmill.

Speaker 1 But I used to run through Griffith Park and

Speaker 1 I'd tell my friends, boy, you know,

Speaker 1 the friendliest people in Griffith Park.

Speaker 1 There's some funny business going on. I kept running by these guys.
They just kept waving at me. And they said,

Speaker 1 about what time of day do you run? I said, well, I don't know, like right around, you know, late morning or early, like around lunchtime. Yep.

Speaker 1 At lunchtime at Griffith Park, famously, supposedly, you can just take a walk or a jog and find any dude you want by a bush and he'll

Speaker 1 he'll give you an HJ, a BJ, whatever. It depends on how much money you're holding.
But there's a section there at Griffith Park where it's just hookup central.

Speaker 1 That's why when I asked Sean for a good place to to jog, he said Griffiths Park. And I said, why? And he said, because it's very handy.

Speaker 1 And you thought it was just centrally located. Yeah.
I have never heard of that story.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 let's get to our guest, which I'm so excited about. It's a wonderful segue.
Great. All right.
So it is a tremendous segue. I know.
I'm always excited for my guests, but.

Speaker 1 This one is kind of like a mic drop, okay? Your 80s childhood dreams are going to come true. Your 90s childhood dreams.
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Speaker 1 And your current dreams. This woman is at the center of all your favorite iconic franchises that we'll talk about later.

Speaker 1 Born and raised in Manhattan, she went to the same two schools I did, Stanford and Yale. So, of course, she speaks three languages.
Sure. I don't know what they are.

Speaker 1 But she loves gardening and is afraid of elevators. As far as her work goes,

Speaker 1 as far as her work goes, if you don't blink, she was in Annie Hall for like six seconds. Annie Hall for six seconds.

Speaker 1 The respect and love and admiration she gets in this business of ours is as tall as she is. Guys, it's one of my favorite actresses of all time.
Sigourney Weaver. Whoa, Sigourney Weaver.

Speaker 1 Sigourney Weaver. It is Sigourney Weaver.
There she is. She's so glamorous.

Speaker 1 Hi, you guys. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 you look beautiful, and you know, you didn't have to like juzh up for us because nobody's going to see. Oh, I didn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, she's doing something important after this you watch the way i look you know when i'm vacuuming the house and doing the dishes unbelievable oh i didn't is my favorite response to that so gourney have you ever been to griffith park

Speaker 1 i have but i think i was on a horse so i missed all the fun so was i

Speaker 1 don't take a sip after that yeah you're not allowed to take a little comedy sip so gourney weaver welcome to the show my god it's such an honor to have you. It really is.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, that's very sweet of you.

Speaker 2 But by the time our segment is over, I don't know that you'll feel like that, but it's very kind of you to say.

Speaker 1 No, I am.

Speaker 2 I'm a big fan of this show and of each of you.

Speaker 1 I'm delighted to be here.

Speaker 1 Likewise, I didn't know

Speaker 1 you're probably so sick of talking about this. I didn't know your real name was Susan.
Sue? Wait, what? Yeah. Yeah.
Sue and Susie.

Speaker 1 And does anybody call you Sue or Susie?

Speaker 2 Well, they, you know, you can't can change your destiny. I did change my name to Sigourney when I was about 13, but now everyone calls me Siggy.
So, you know, Siggy, Susie.

Speaker 2 I was trying to get a longer name because by that time I was almost six feet tall when I was 11. So I thought, Susie is too diminutive.

Speaker 1 And Susie Snowflake. There's Susie Snowflake.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Or Wake Up Little Susie or all those.

Speaker 1 Or Susie Cream Cheese. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And from the Great Gatsby, right? Is that why you thought of him?

Speaker 2 That's right. I saw it.
It's mentioned once.

Speaker 1 What is Sigourney?

Speaker 2 I think it's

Speaker 2 Jordan Baker's aunt is mentioned, and it's like Mrs. Sigourney Faye or something like that.
And I just looked at it. It was an S, in case I liked the initial, and it just went on for a long time.

Speaker 2 And then it was a Y, which I think is very updated.

Speaker 1 And your parent? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did your parents say? Were they like, hey, we gave you a nice name and now you've decided. What kind of thanks is this? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they did call me S for a long time.

Speaker 2 In case I changed it again. But ironically, my mother was named Desiree because they'd had like eight boys and finally they had a girl, but everyone called her Liz.

Speaker 2 And my father was named Sylvester, but because he was a little red-headed kid, he and his brother, they were called Pat and Mike, so he was Pat. So they couldn't say anything to me.

Speaker 1 So you come from a long line of people who are not happy with the names they were given.

Speaker 1 Exactly. What about your middle name?

Speaker 2 James with a name.

Speaker 2 Alexandra.

Speaker 1 Alexandra. That's a beautiful name.
That's my mother's name. That's a beautiful name.
That's a bit long. Yeah, but Alex is a great short for a woman.

Speaker 2 But I knew a really obnoxious girl named Alex at camp, so I couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 What about brothers or sisters? Were they equally unhappy with their names?

Speaker 2 Well, no. My father was a Roman history nut.
So he named my brother Trajan

Speaker 2 after a really wonderful emperor, and he wanted to name me Flavia.

Speaker 1 I wish my mother...

Speaker 1 Now that I would have changed.

Speaker 1 Flavia.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that sounds so close to something else. I I know.
This is a very rich

Speaker 1 history. This is an incredible what was happening at your house.

Speaker 1 These are interesting people. No, I'm dead serious.
I like it. Sorry.
No,

Speaker 1 move on. No.

Speaker 1 First of all, my mother's name is Alexandra. My partner's name is Alessandra.
And my son's first name is, his real first name is Alexander.

Speaker 2 Well, Alexander the Great.

Speaker 1 So Alexander the Great. And do you know that

Speaker 1 women traditionally spelled Alex when they shortened it with an I. That's how you you differentiate them.
Oh, Alex. Yes,

Speaker 2 I understand that.

Speaker 1 I have A-L-I-X. Yeah, my mom spells it A-L-I-X.
Does she really?

Speaker 1 Wait, Sigourney, how many brothers and sisters did you have?

Speaker 2 I have one brother.

Speaker 1 One brother. Traiton.
And then, and growing up, so what was growing up like that you could just be like, I want to change my name? And they're like, great. Was it like

Speaker 1 crunchy and 60s and love and whatever?

Speaker 2 Well, my father was working. He was head of NBC in the 50s.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 So he produced show of shows and created The Today Show and The Tonight Show.

Speaker 1 Come on, he did. All of that.
Hang on, Sean. This is a hurt.
Yes, this has got to be covered on the Wikipedia page. I did not know this.
I did not know this. What's his name?

Speaker 1 He's created the Today Show. Yeah.
Higher Will.

Speaker 1 What's his name? Sylvester. Sylvester Pat Weaver.

Speaker 1 Sylvester. And she just said it.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 And Jimmy Fallon just

Speaker 2 said nice things about him the other night.

Speaker 2 They think of him as the father of the tonight show.

Speaker 1 Sylvester weaver yeah sylvester pat okay pat weaver is really what he's called so what's so crazy is i met you once for two seconds backstage at the tonight show when i was like 27 years old

Speaker 1 and um just three years ago really made a real imprint on her yeah so we passed each other in the hall in the back i just think that's wild i was like oh my god hi nice to meet you and you were like hi nice to meet you so then does that mean your childhood was was uh around show business And is that where you got your taste for it?

Speaker 1 Or was that later?

Speaker 2 I was very shy. So I don't think I imagined even developing a taste for it.

Speaker 2 But what I must say is that my father would come home after the day, I guess before he went back for the night shows, and he always seemed in a good mood. You know, he was always laughing.

Speaker 2 And I thought, and we had lots of, you know, we had... We had those people come in and out like Red Skelton and Jackie Gleason did their, you know, this is your life.

Speaker 2 So he was working with people who sounded absolutely wonderful to me.

Speaker 2 And so it took me many, many years to say, I want to be an actor

Speaker 2 for various different reasons.

Speaker 2 But I guess I was always maybe trying to head toward a little area of that world because I knew it was hard work and unpredictable and often unfair, which I think is a great advantage to know that going in.

Speaker 2 But I also knew my father laughed a lot during the day.

Speaker 1 I love that. But wait a second.
I mean, what an interesting thing, though. So he creates the Today Show and the Tonight Show, and he's doing them simultaneously, working on them.

Speaker 2 Well, first he was running the network, and so he had the regular shows like Show of Shows, but then

Speaker 2 the network, the world could not imagine having any kind of TV on in the early morning, and they couldn't imagine TV on at night. So it sort of went from, I don't know, five to eight.

Speaker 2 You know, it was very limited in those days in the early 50s. So when he, you know, pitched to the General Tsarnoff, who owned RCA and NBC,

Speaker 2 that he wanted to do this morning show, people should wake up in the morning, be able to turn on TV, find out what happened overnight, get a few laughs from Dave Garraway and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 The general was horrified. And my father pushed it through anyway.
And it's, you know, still running.

Speaker 1 Wow. And

Speaker 1 maybe you can answer that, because I remember hearing once

Speaker 1 years ago that the idea of the late-night program,

Speaker 1 i.e. the tonight show, was

Speaker 1 part just that it was empty airways, but also so that the last thing people did was leave their TV on that channel. That's right.

Speaker 1 So that the next day when you turned your TV on, it was, they had, they already had your attention. That's right.
Did you ever hear that from your dad? I did.

Speaker 2 I'm not talking about that. No, I didn't, but but he wasn't telling me the secrets of NBC.

Speaker 2 But it's a good idea.

Speaker 1 Sigourney, sidebar, I'm doing a play on Broadway next year. I'm playing Oscar Levant, and the play takes place backstage at the Tonight Show.
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can I do a walkthrough? Yes.

Speaker 1 Like a ghost?

Speaker 1 Now, wait, I didn't know that. So when I was in college,

Speaker 1 We were obsessed with Christopher Durang.

Speaker 1 Like every play was like, oh my God, let's do a Christopher Durang play because it it was the, they were the, he was kind of like the Neil Simon of our generation, right?

Speaker 1 And I, I would look at the opening of all his plays, I was like, it would be like starring Sigourney Weaver. And I was like, wait, the movie star was on in play?

Speaker 1 Like, it's the first time at such a young age, I realized, oh, as an actor, you just weren't, you couldn't just be one thing. You could do all the things.

Speaker 1 But I was blown away to see your name as the original cast in so many Broadway plays. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I doubt it said starring.

Speaker 1 I think we just had our names.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the characters, right? That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, but that's how I, you know, that saved me because I was quite discouraged at drama school.

Speaker 2 And luckily, when I came to New York, even though I was looking for a job in a florist store or anywhere,

Speaker 2 you know, a cake store, anywhere but a show business because I'd been so discouraged, you know, I kept working with Chris and all our friends and off Broadway. And

Speaker 2 I'm so grateful that that is how I I started with about five years of

Speaker 2 Albert and Norado and all the all the games.

Speaker 1 Do you still do a bunch of theater? Do you have to even have time to? Do you want to?

Speaker 2 I did. We did

Speaker 2 Vanya, Sonia, Masha, and Spike on Broadway for a year, just about in 2013.

Speaker 2 And then since then, I've been doing

Speaker 1 Avatar. Yeah,

Speaker 2 Avatar and some other stuff.

Speaker 1 I haven't heard of it.

Speaker 1 When does that come out?

Speaker 2 Avatar 2 is coming out December 16th.

Speaker 1 And didn't you shoot the third one at the same time? Well, there's like five.

Speaker 2 Yeah, two and three.

Speaker 2 There will be five. It's all part of one long story about this family.
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 1 It's so great. You know, it's so funny because,

Speaker 1 you know, Avatar came out to such fanfare and success. It was, you know, really well received critically and at the box off, et cetera.

Speaker 1 To then have this follow-up, this film that's been made, as you can attest to, for a long time, and there's a lot surrounding it, to just call it Avatar 2 seems so sort of unsorged

Speaker 1 in the water, the way of water. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, well, and because James Cameron has this like fascination with water, we don't, I don't, I, you know, hopefully he'll come on the show one day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but wait,

Speaker 1 tell me about, didn't you have to like learn how to breathe? And didn't you film underwater for like a long time? She learned how to breathe underwater. Tell us about that.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 I'll just show you my gills.

Speaker 2 No, but I, uh, we did. We actually worked with Kirk Krack, who teaches the Navy SEALs.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 Jim doesn't do anything by halves. So he really wanted us to be comfortable in the water and be able to do scenes underwater.

Speaker 2 So we studied for a whole year with Kirk, and

Speaker 2 we all had to do breath holds, which you train to get up to. And

Speaker 2 I was able finally to do a static breath hold for six and a half minutes.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I can't.
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 But anyone can do it if you have Kirk Krak. My husband was with me because he trained with me.
We both did it that day for six and a half minutes, and neither of us can believe it. Wow.

Speaker 1 And we will be right back.

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Speaker 1 Back to the show.

Speaker 1 Now, can I ask you

Speaker 1 a potentially tacky housekeeping question?

Speaker 1 If you are obligated to train for a year for a film before you start shooting, are you paid for that year of training?

Speaker 2 That's a very good question. And we were shooting at the same time we were training.
So we got there in the summer of 2017 and started doing a lot of parkour.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I actually play one of the kids in Avatar 2. So I had to do everything the kids did.

Speaker 2 And at the same time we started training.

Speaker 1 So you'd like shoot in the morning and then train in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 We had about two months of training and then when you weren't shooting they would bring you over to the little tank in Manhattan Beach and you would do

Speaker 2 more and more

Speaker 2 challenging stuff and then eventually they took us to a final sort of rehearsal off the big island and we learned how to swim with

Speaker 2 sort of underwater vehicles, which would then represent other species that we might meet.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 You see, she's being very careful not to rehearse. You should be very, very careful.

Speaker 1 Sigourney, Jason would love to get a hold of your day out of days, maybe the one-line or two.

Speaker 1 And if he could get a number on the first AD just so we could work on his hard outs, that would be great.

Speaker 1 I mean, we need to know your turnarounds and things like that, because I'm sensing there's some overtime that could be OT.

Speaker 1 Definitely.

Speaker 1 Wait, Sigourney, but don't you have to do a lot of in addition to the water stuff and maybe for the other ones and I know for the first one all that motion capture green screen stuff, right?

Speaker 2 Well, may I just say that everyone in the world thinks we still do green screen. I haven't done a green screen since a pickup for the first Ghostbusters that long ago.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 So I've never done green screen except that one time. This is all performance capture

Speaker 1 It's more like Andy Circus. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's actually kind of a wonderful theatrical experience. You don't have to worry about lights or makeup or, you know, it's just you and your little black suit.

Speaker 1 You're a little bit more. So explain that to

Speaker 1 our Tracy's out there that have no idea what that.

Speaker 1 First of all, green screen is something where if you stand in front of a big piece of green fabric, they can later.

Speaker 1 cut out all the green stuff behind you and put in a picture of mountains or whatever they want to put you in front of.

Speaker 2 Charging rhinoceroses or something.

Speaker 1 Right. Nowadays,

Speaker 1 they have you act in front of what,

Speaker 1 and you are wearing a suit that captures your movement. The camera is tied to your head and your side, right?

Speaker 2 So you're in a big empty space called the volume

Speaker 2 and you may have basic sets built to run up and down and jump over this or jump over that. They all represent parts of Pandora.

Speaker 1 They're going to be drawn in later.

Speaker 2 Like like topography of the yes exactly topography um so we can do the scene running through an approximation of that landscape and um you have a suit on with various i don't know ping pong balls ping pong balls little

Speaker 2 receptors receptors little receptors um and you have a helmet that has two cameras facing you which must be just an awful angle i don't it's for the it's a dream for will

Speaker 1 There's a little china ball on a third arm there. He'd be a real happy.

Speaker 2 And then I think there's also

Speaker 2 one facing the person you're talking to. And that's all for Weta Digital in New Zealand, who spends, I wish I knew the exact time and amount of money, but it's like to make an avatar.
It's all CGI.

Speaker 1 It's all CGI. And how do you, how do you, dumb actor question to actor, how do you connect to the material when you're not? Dumb person.
Dumb person to smart person. Sean.

Speaker 1 It's quicker.

Speaker 1 From Sean to Sigourney.

Speaker 1 How do you connect to the material when you're not in the thing and you're not, and everybody's dressed like you and you're looking across and you can't probably see them because there's a camera in your face?

Speaker 2 That's why I feel it's like an early theater rehearsal.

Speaker 2 where you just have an empty stage and you've read the script and you know who's playing what and you just are there as actors making the scene work. And it's not for any camera.
It's literally for,

Speaker 2 you know, for each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And, of course, Cameron has about 14 guys hidden around the set doing shots of different people. And when Jim,

Speaker 2 and I won't be able to explain this well, Jim created a camera for the first avatar, which kind of looks like he's holding a dowser.

Speaker 2 And when you're there, you can actually look over at a specific screen and see your roughed out avatar

Speaker 2 being

Speaker 2 and how much taller they are than humans and how they relate to the landscape. So that's a kind of very rough guide to go, oh, I see.

Speaker 2 I'm twice as tall as the boy I like, you know. in the next story.

Speaker 2 And then you just you forget about all that and you just work on these beautiful, very compelling scenes that Jim Cameron has written about this family.

Speaker 1 So, you don't you play a teenager in this one or something? I did at some point.

Speaker 1 I did crazy. Yeah, she said that.
Are you listening? Sean, you know what?

Speaker 1 I sense that she's

Speaker 1 using something.

Speaker 1 It's called an imagination. You should look into it.
And because she has obviously a very vivid one, and she doesn't need all your TikToks to get inspired.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 have you been able to see all the stuff that he said will eventually be wrapped around you, i.e., what your character looks like, what the world looks like.

Speaker 1 Have you seen a rough cut of it or will you see it when we all see it because it takes so long to finish?

Speaker 2 He is taking a long time to edit it down to three hours because, of course, he has a lot of material.

Speaker 2 So I'll see it when we go to the...

Speaker 2 Is it called a royal premiere? Maybe one of the royals will want to come see it. We start the promotional tour in London.

Speaker 2 So we'll have to see if it's Prince Charles or Prince William or the

Speaker 1 King Charles. I think you met King Charles.
King Charles, yes. Well, there goes a royal premiere.

Speaker 1 We can cut that part out, Segorni. Yes, please get that.
Things are safe.

Speaker 1 But wait.

Speaker 2 Anyway, so I will see it when the world sees it.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I do want to ask you, because I've never met you, just a couple questions about Alien. I know you probably.
Do you remember meeting him back? So he wants to get back to that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Do you remember me at the time? Sean's probably forgotten he asked that. Go ahead.
Wait, I just want to ask you something like Alien or Avatar or something.

Speaker 1 I always wonder with actors like you in massive franchises, are you as, these guys are going to go nuts, are you as into the mythology and like the backstories and science of it all as we as the audience are?

Speaker 1 Or do you really just think of it as a job you're focusing on your character? Or are you kind of, or do you get into it at all?

Speaker 2 You know, I kind of treat them all the same. Yeah.
It's just the script. I'm on this, you know, when I first did.
Alien, I couldn't understand why I was working in such beautiful sets.

Speaker 2 And when I wasn't on, I could roam through this world.

Speaker 2 And I remember thinking, it's so nice of Ridley and Fox to create these worlds that we can just walk through when we're off camera and feel like we're still on the planet. I thought they did it.

Speaker 2 for us and I was very touched by that. And then, of course, I realized it was off the camera.

Speaker 1 But the truth is, is that you have done some really iconic science fiction work.

Speaker 1 And maybe Sean is wondering,

Speaker 1 is that just, did you gravitate towards that? Or did it just find you? In other words, do you have like a passion for science fiction? No, I was cast. Excellent.
Wow.

Speaker 2 I was on a short list for Ripley and I told Ridley I didn't like the script and I got the part.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 Against your better judgment, you did it. But I will say this.
Let me, as a follow-up.

Speaker 1 Even though you don't have a sort of a natural draw or whatever it is to science fiction, but because you've been part of all these incredibly iconic science fiction pieces, do you have a sort of

Speaker 1 an appreciation for it? Like over the years, have you come to embrace it and appreciate it for what it is?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. It's an amazing space to work in because it's always in the future.

Speaker 2 And it is about, you know, about being human and what our future is. So I think that's why the younger audiences love it.
It's still relevant. You know, it took me a while.

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, once you've done all these, really ricocheting around the future,

Speaker 2 I totally get it. I love it.
And especially working with Jim Cameron, who is either thinking underwater or out in space. You know, we're in Alpha Centauri, I guess, is our solar system for Pandora.

Speaker 2 I know it's fascinating. It is fascinating.

Speaker 1 Fascinating.

Speaker 2 I love it. I'm so lucky.

Speaker 1 And Ripley is like this iconic character of like sort of the embodiment of sort of like toughness and and kind of grit and and somebody who's you know do you

Speaker 1 how do you wear that well do you do you like am i like that no

Speaker 1 i scream at a spider no i wasn't gonna ask i didn't mean that i meant more how do you feel when people sort of project that on you or how do you like that mantle do you like it or do you kind of shirk it you know i consider it ripley's mantle and i try to i i feel like i have to then

Speaker 2 throw that to her um i feel that way about Ripley too and in fact about the woman I based Ripley on. She's still like that even though she's on earth.

Speaker 2 So I feel like a you know I'm a vessel you know and I and I was very very lucky to be able to tell these stories. I was very lucky to have the writers who decided to make the lone survivor a woman.

Speaker 2 I was very lucky to have guys working with me who liked you know, strong women.

Speaker 2 But it was all a commercial decision to make the survivor a woman because they just thought, you know, story-wise, no one will ever suspect that that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 1 I remember being so, was it, which, which alien was it when you shaved your head? Was that that's three. That's three.
Was it, I just found that so,

Speaker 1 I don't know, it's something about that time period or that moment right there.

Speaker 1 It seemed like such an incredibly brave and courageous and forward thing for this huge female movie star actor to do something as, you know, sort of traditionally unglamorous as to like shave your head.

Speaker 1 Did it feel more frightening or did it feel like this is something that's, that's kind of cool and courageous and let's do it. And was it, and, and, and did you do it yourself? Or tell me about that.

Speaker 2 It was David Fincher.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He'd just done Vogue, you know, and he was asked to do

Speaker 1 some Madonna video.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so we were at this meeting with Fincher and some of the suits and it ended. And we all got up and someone at Fox, probably the head, said, so David,

Speaker 2 how do you see Ripley? And we were on our way out the door and he turned around and he said, I don't know. How do you feel about bald? And I said, sounds great to me.
And we just went off and did it.

Speaker 1 No, really?

Speaker 2 Wow. I had a baby.
And

Speaker 2 I had lots of hair then. And so I tried to cut it in little, little,

Speaker 2 because they see black and white, I tried to cut it off in little stages so I didn't frighten her when you're bald at the same time. It's chilly.
Otherwise, I think it's a really cool look.

Speaker 1 It is so cool. And I mean,

Speaker 1 just what a beautiful look, too. And that sort of post-modern look, too.
Did the studio freak out when they saw the first footage that, oh, my God,

Speaker 1 they weren't kidding?

Speaker 2 No, I think they were delighted. I think I was the one.

Speaker 2 My wig that has to work in the beginning was sort sort of, you know, problematic, like a dog trying to run off my head. And so

Speaker 2 that was the greater concern, I think, than how I looked bald was how I looked with the wig on. And did that match, you know, the Ripley we last saw?

Speaker 1 But wasn't Alien your first feature film ever?

Speaker 2 Well, basically, yes. Yes.
The first week they had to say, really kept saying, you know, can you stop looking in the camera?

Speaker 2 And I said, well, I'd love to stop looking in the camera, but you keep putting it right in front of me.

Speaker 2 And I just had to ask, I asked a couple of the actors, I said, how do you deal with that? You know, how do you deal with it right being there? And it's right there. So,

Speaker 2 but what are the odds?

Speaker 1 I mean, my God, your first one out of the gate. How did that happen?

Speaker 2 But it was, you have to remember, it was a very small. budget movie.
You know, it was Ridley Scott's second movie.

Speaker 2 I mean, I decided very quickly that I didn't have to worry about any of it because it was just like being off Broadway. I just was going to be in a different medium, but the stakes were low.

Speaker 2 It was, you know, it was a fantastic story. But, you know, no one even thought about franchises there then.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 And it was all on a state. And it was all on a stage, too.
So it was in a small area, right? It probably felt really contained.

Speaker 2 At Shepperton, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at Shepherd.

Speaker 1 How did they find you?

Speaker 1 Being your first movie. Had you been doing a bunch of television shows or

Speaker 2 I had gotten my first job at the public theater on a John Gware play where I played a maid who was cleaning the glacier a year before.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 I feel very lucky.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so, you know, I'd been meeting, I was up for a Mike Nichols movie. I, you know, I was up for a Bob Fosse movie.
I hardly had an agent. People really didn't know what to do with me.
And

Speaker 2 I even was part of this depressing class where actors sat around and thought about how to get agents' attention. Like, should you make some chocolates, put them in a box,

Speaker 2 and you eat them all, and then you have your 8x10 underneath.

Speaker 1 That sounds like a classic Sean Hayes.

Speaker 1 I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 But I did write what the agent who finally accepted me. I wrote something like, Love Sigourney in parentheses, it's a crime that I'm not working.
Weaver.

Speaker 1 I was just desperate. I was just desperate.

Speaker 1 Was the Bob Fosse film that you read for, was it all that jazz?

Speaker 2 I think it was the one

Speaker 2 with Mariel Hemingway,

Speaker 2 1981.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 One of those.

Speaker 1 Star 80. Star 80.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 You know, when I was in, just a little sidebar thing, and when I was in high school, I watched, I saw you in Gorillas in the Mist and you were like amazing.

Speaker 1 And after that movie, because the trailer would keep running on TV all the time. I mean, the commercial for it.

Speaker 1 And so my go-to joke as a kid to anyone that was bothering me or teasing me was your line from Gorillas in the Mist, which was.

Speaker 1 Get off my mountain. I would say that

Speaker 1 all the time. Oh, I love it.
I'm going to use that.

Speaker 2 It's much more fun to say than get away from her, you bitch.

Speaker 1 I really say that all the time.

Speaker 2 You know, if my mountain still works.

Speaker 1 There must have been in that time a lot of, are there any films from that era that we all, that you regret passing on or not doing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That at the time you thought, I can't get my head around this or I don't get it. And then later you went, oh, I wish I'd been able to get my head around that.

Speaker 2 There are a couple of, you know,

Speaker 2 in the 70s and 80s, there were a lot of what I would call male fantasy movies like Body Heat and PlayStation. Those were quite common, that kind of, and I just didn't get them.

Speaker 2 I just felt that if I couldn't relate to the character and if there was not much character to relate to, I would have been too insecure to just try to look good.

Speaker 2 and sound fascinating because I don't think I'm charming enough to maintain that kind of focus if I don't believe in what I'm doing. And that's just me.
I just couldn't relate to it.

Speaker 1 And speaking of that, like, because a lot of your character,

Speaker 1 do you ever

Speaker 1 include yourself in the process of writing with the writer? Or do you ever kind of like change some dialogue to fit your vision of the character?

Speaker 1 Because it just seems like something you might be interested in or do because it's so everything you say seems so real and honest.

Speaker 2 Oh, well, that's very nice of you. Yeah.
That is, I guess, our job.

Speaker 2 The only time I've really contributed stuff like that is when the script does not continue to be good. And then you survival.
And then it's cutting and rewriting a little so you can manage.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Very diplomatically put, by the way.

Speaker 1 Most people would be like, yeah, that script was terrible. And I rewrote the whole second act.

Speaker 1 Is your husband in the business?

Speaker 2 Jim

Speaker 2 ran the flea theater for 20 years years downtown. Gotcha.
He's an absolutely amazing director.

Speaker 2 And I feel very fortunate since we hardly knew each other when we got married that I had, I ended up marrying someone who totally got what I did,

Speaker 2 respected the time it took, really enjoys working with me on the occasional script we have to rewrite or

Speaker 2 just working on, working on, you know, I can run lines with him. We talk about stuff.
So I like to hit the ground running.

Speaker 1 I have the same relationship, actually. Yeah, it's great.
With her husband. With her husband, yeah.
She's

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Speaker 1 Let's get back to you guys got married before you knew each other. This was sort of an arranged thing.
We're making news today, you guys.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I was older.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I went to the Williamstown Theater Festival. And on the very first day I was there, I saw this cute guy chain smoking in the student union in front of like a stack of books on checkoff and I went

Speaker 1 wow was it meant my

Speaker 2 yeah and then I didn't really speak to him

Speaker 2 and at the end of

Speaker 2 wait was that your strategy you were gonna you were gonna kind of ignore him a little bit no it was Diane Wiest and I were in a Pinter play on the main stage and Jim was sort of directing the

Speaker 2 the non-ex, the non-equity kids. And, you know, he ran the bar and and

Speaker 1 this guy sounds really hot.

Speaker 2 You know, he looked like a player. And I thought, he's not for me.

Speaker 1 Right. I don't want it.
I don't need that.

Speaker 2 And so then at the end of the summer, I was sitting at the sort of party next to Diane Weestie. And I said, see that guy over there across the room? I saw him the first day.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go over and ask him to dance.

Speaker 1 And she went, oh, go, Siggy Go.

Speaker 2 Because we both were unattached that summer. and all we talked about was like, you know, just.

Speaker 1 It'd be the name of your biography, go, siggy, go.

Speaker 1 And so you walk over. So you go.

Speaker 1 You saunter over. Let's go.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe, maybe I tried to saunter. I got up to the guy who was standing with his friends and I said, hi, you want to dance? And he went, no.

Speaker 1 And I just was like, oh, now I have to get across the room.

Speaker 2 So I just remember going toward Diane, kind of, you know, getting closer to the ground with every second. He caught up with me and he said, I'm so sorry, of course I want to dance with you.

Speaker 2 But I couldn't look at him. I had been deflated so entirely.
And then months later, I had a Halloween square dance birthday party when we started shooting Ghostbusters.

Speaker 2 And I went through the book and I thought,

Speaker 1 all right, give me a little bit of a little bit of a little bit try again.

Speaker 2 And he came and he had such a good time, even though he didn't know anyone. And about two months later, we decided to get married.

Speaker 1 No way. Wow.

Speaker 2 We've been married 38 years.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 That's really cool.

Speaker 2 I think part of it is that you're not with each other all the time. I was often away filming another alien or something.
But no, he's so great. He's from Hawaii.
He's filled with aloha.

Speaker 2 He's just, I'm so lucky, you know.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's amazing. Did you guys ever decide to have kids or were things just too busy?

Speaker 2 No, we have a wonderful daughter who's now 32. I don't know.
She still looks 12, but.

Speaker 1 Well, she's got such terrible jeans, you know.

Speaker 1 Did she go into the business as well?

Speaker 2 She teaches.

Speaker 1 Oh, great. Yeah.
Amazing.

Speaker 2 In fact, they're non-binary and they teach.

Speaker 1 I gotcha. Fantastic.
Not acting,

Speaker 1 academics. Yes?

Speaker 2 Digital storytelling and world building and things like that.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome.
God, what a now. A cool family.
Yeah, very cool family.

Speaker 2 We may give that impression, but really.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, Sean watches TV and eats Sour Patch Kids all day. I mean,

Speaker 1 you could have had one of those, you know? It's true. I just watched all your movies on a loop, and you think I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 We would have been delighted to have you. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 But speaking of weddings, didn't you officiate?

Speaker 1 Because you love dogs as much as I do. I think we all own dogs.
Yeah. Right? And didn't you officiate a dog wedding once or something? Come on.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 Our daughter was 10. Yeah.
And

Speaker 2 we decided to breed our little Italian greyhound.

Speaker 2 And Shar said, well, if she's going to have babies, she has to get married. And I said, well, absolutely.
So

Speaker 2 we had

Speaker 2 petals in a little beautiful wedding dress that we bought at Zittimer's.

Speaker 2 We had

Speaker 2 the groom. We had a best man who brought the groom in.

Speaker 2 Shar was the minister. We had a pre-puptial agreement.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it was covered. And I must say, they seemed quite in love.

Speaker 1 And then the honeymoon happened.

Speaker 1 They couldn't figure out how to get together.

Speaker 1 I heard they couldn't keep their paws off each other.

Speaker 1 Guys.

Speaker 1 By the way, laughing. Guys, dumbest.

Speaker 2 Shit. Anyway, so now we have actually, during COVID, we did, those two dogs are rest in peace long ago.

Speaker 2 And now we have a little, a beautiful little Italian greyhound named Kosi Fang Tuti because she is an Italian greyhound.

Speaker 1 The Mozart opera.

Speaker 2 Yes, with a G.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kosi Fang. That's great.
Thanks, Sean. Thanks.
Yeah, Sean, good. That was a good catch.
Good feeling.

Speaker 1 Wait, so I want to know just a few more things about Avatar before we let you go. Yeah.
Now,

Speaker 1 when you guys, so was there talk about filming them all at the same time? Are you guys, this is like more of a Bateman question. Are you guys

Speaker 1 contracted to do all of them so you cannot do other work? You have to remain available. The full five.
You mean all five? Yeah. Yeah.
Like do you have to block out the next five years of your life?

Speaker 1 Did they pay for first position? Go ahead, Sequorn. Yeah, go back.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 But no, I was just curious, like, to know, like, do you have to keep yourself now available for that franchise for

Speaker 1 what, five, six, seven, eight, nine? Sean has a one act. He'd love for you to read.

Speaker 2 So two's coming out. Yeah.
In two years, three will come out. Probably after three, when Jim can imagine going back to this

Speaker 2 after, you know, creating a few more submarines.

Speaker 2 We will start four and five, and we will shoot them.

Speaker 2 together and then eventually they will come out. So the last one will come out in 28 where I'll be, you know, walking with a cane.

Speaker 1 And how long does it take to shoot each one?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 I think I was on it working regularly a year and a half, but I think Jim probably he had to do the live action, which is with Actors UC.

Speaker 2 That was another year and a half. So I'm sure it's like three.

Speaker 2 three years to just shoot it. And meanwhile, Weta takes about five years to

Speaker 2 transform it. Wow.
So it is a big

Speaker 2 one. But

Speaker 2 no, they have to work around my schedule.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 Where do you do that?

Speaker 2 It's in Manhattan Beach for the performance capture and

Speaker 2 then in New Zealand for the live action.

Speaker 1 Now, doesn't a nice quick run off Broadway or going back to Williamstown, doesn't that sound a little bit more manageable? I mean, what if you slide one of those,

Speaker 1 like right in the middle of one of these avenues?

Speaker 2 Well, I do.

Speaker 2 I do try to, obviously you really need to you know go to the opposite end of the spectrum and do small you know i've done uh about three small movies that are all coming out yeah this year too and um and they they keep me sane wow so

Speaker 2 we watched may i just say i we were just devotees of ozark which was oh no so terrifying you guys were so amazing in it but i have one suggestion uh-oh yeah This is good.

Speaker 1 We are locked.

Speaker 2 At the very end,

Speaker 2 I think it should have been your daughter. Because we assume that she's escaped all of this and she might have a normal life, maybe.
Right.

Speaker 2 And if she had killed him, we would have gone, oh my God, everyone is going to be in this.

Speaker 1 It would have been way better.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people agree with you, Secourt. It would have been way better.
William Goldman's already, William Goldman's already written a book about it.

Speaker 1 It's called How Ozark Could Have been Better.

Speaker 2 No, I'm sorry. I don't mean that to be.

Speaker 1 No, you just thought, Ozark. No, I'm with you.
It's a good

Speaker 1 group.

Speaker 1 We all thought it would be a good idea. And you know what's so funny? I emailed him that exact same suggestion.

Speaker 1 But anyway, Sigourney, we've taken up too much of your time. We love you.
Thank you for being there.

Speaker 1 It's so cool you decided to do this. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm so grateful to you for thinking of me. And we love your show.
And you guys are awesome. And I love the way you do ads too.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. We've got to do some of those today.

Speaker 2 I wanted to do an ad for you.

Speaker 1 You want to? God bless me. Why don't you do it?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know.
Do you have one? Text. Or just what about a

Speaker 1 hey, hey, buckle up. Here comes a new Smartless.
That's right. Yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 Do an intro. Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, we should do an intro.

Speaker 2 Just that?

Speaker 1 Something like that. Yeah.
You know what? Make it your own. Let's just have fun with it.
Here we go. Rolling.

Speaker 1 Introduce yourself and then introduce the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, who are you today? Who is that over there?

Speaker 2 I'm Sigourney Weaver, and I just want to say, hey, buckle up. Here comes a new Smartless.

Speaker 1 Hey, wow.

Speaker 1 Wow, we're off to the races.

Speaker 1 Anytime. Wow.
Anytime.

Speaker 1 Wow. Thank you, Sigourney.

Speaker 2 Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Sigourney. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Love you. Bye-bye.
Bye. Bye.

Speaker 1 What a pleasant way to start the day. Oh, my gosh.
I mean, I trust you.

Speaker 1 Who doesn't, when you're scrolling through the thing, I can see aliens on, just sit and watch it every time.

Speaker 1 Sigourney Weaver is, ill I didn't accidentally say I've been in love with her my entire life did I that didn't come out you didn't that stayed internal great did you

Speaker 1 did you go think about all the movies we could have talked about go we didn't even talk about ghostbusters no I know and that's and that was probably on purpose my because that that's where it really started for me I know and you know because obviously who are you gonna call well I guess oh we will

Speaker 1 by the way I did want to mention to her because somebody once accused me and she needs to know I ain't afraid of no ghosts well he just did it again.

Speaker 1 No, but I wish that I had let her know. I am afraid of no ghosts.
Okay.

Speaker 1 No. Oh, you're really, you're really

Speaker 1 your conviction. Yeah, I'm adamant about it.

Speaker 1 But you know,

Speaker 1 when you guys have people like that on that you're super fans of,

Speaker 1 aren't you kind of afraid to ask them about, you know, the things that made them famous because you think they're just sick of talking about it? But you kind of want to know, right?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, that's, that's what, that's our little sort of like gift or our little privilege we're so lucky to be able to just say hey um excuse me sir can i ask you a question yeah exactly i love that jason you always want to know like schedule and you always want to know do you get fridays like what did you do how did you get out of you're always looking for the out you get portal to portal right or it's on photo

Speaker 1 you know there's a show there's a show called i don't know if i think it's on netflix maybe it's called the movies that made us do you know this show no and they and it's all these iconic movies and they get some of the people that worked on them to talk about it.

Speaker 1 And they do, they have behind-the-scenes clips nobody's ever seen. And one of them was Aliens.
And I just watched it like a month ago. And

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk to her about it, but all of the,

Speaker 1 it was just kind of a mess, and everybody was yelling at each other and screaming. And it got shut down for a while.
And then they went back. And

Speaker 1 thank God you didn't ask her when we just had her on the show. No, I know, but I mean,

Speaker 1 what are you doing? Any other exciting questions? You neglected.

Speaker 1 Anybody else?

Speaker 1 Hey, you got anything that you want want to ask dax our first uh guest ever now we're a couple hundred in maybe have you worked up uh a good database of post interview questions i actually could sean also did you do you guys find like a a tear in the space-time where are you and scotty finding all this time to watch all this shit holy crap what do you mean at night you watch a lot of stuff does your night start around 3 p.m i can't believe how many documentaries and stuff you've seen i just watched the one on shineado connor i thought that was pretty good wait you guys are always telling will

Speaker 1 it's the same as you reading 10 books a day. That's true.

Speaker 1 I do neither. What am I so busy doing? I got it.

Speaker 1 Can I start? No, I wasn't eliciting a response at all.

Speaker 1 Quiet. You know what I'd love to see? I'd love to see Alex come back in right through that rear door there.
It's time for mom to do another

Speaker 1 special guest spot.

Speaker 1 When you're done there visiting and working and stuff, is it going to be hard to say? Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
Here it comes.

Speaker 1 Hang on. Here it comes.

Speaker 1 Just to say bye. Bye.

Speaker 1 I don't think we can ever use just bye. Why not?

Speaker 1 Why not? I think it's lazy. Well, here's the thing.
Here's the thing. I mean,

Speaker 1 I live here. I grew up here, but then I moved to New York, and now I live in L.A., but I have to go to the East Coast.
So technically, I'm

Speaker 1 by coast.

Speaker 1 Still not great. I feel like we've used that one a million times.
No,

Speaker 1 here, by the way, so I'm here.

Speaker 1 I'm here with

Speaker 1 i'm here my dad's study and my dad uh went to the uh university of manitoba uh-huh and uh manitoba uh

Speaker 1 i'm here my dad's study and my my parents are you don't need to you didn't need to reset your

Speaker 1 reset we're going to cut we cut yeah no we're not going to cut it we're going to have cheap in that you've you've reset yourself still rolling

Speaker 1 so i'm here because i wanted to include i'm here in my parents place uh-huh yes uh-huh i am will okay

Speaker 1 You're reading this. My parents are from Manitoba,

Speaker 1 which they have, you know,

Speaker 1 the animal, the provincial. Let's cut.
Let's get to a brand new slate. Is the Bison.

Speaker 1 What did he just say? God, that was. Oh, Manitoba is a Canadian bison.
Is that what he said? No, that's the province, and their provincial animal is the bison. Bison! Fuck! Bison!

Speaker 1 That's just a wipeout. And then the music starts.
We'll talk to you next week, listeners. That's all we got.

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