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Speaker 1 Okay, guys, it's great to be here. I'm really happy that we get to do the podcast today.
It's our final smart list. The final smart list ever.

Speaker 1 Very special Smart List. Don't say that.
People are going to

Speaker 1 finish strong. And this guest is really, what a great final guest.
Our final episode, Rob. Our fat finalist, Fat Final.
People don't think ever.

Speaker 1 Wait, it's not our final episode. Let us finish for today.

Speaker 1 It will be our last. Sean, don't cut us off, Rude.
For today, but for today. For today, this is our final, final Smartlist.
Ever. Ever.

Speaker 1 Not today. For today.
Sean with the cutting off.

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Speaker 1 I put the Dew and Douche.

Speaker 1 That'll be our first line of this episode right there.

Speaker 1 We just found our in. I put the Dew and

Speaker 1 Good for me. Wait a second.
Wait, you're saying, Will, joke's over. When are you coming home? I know.
Uh, soon, right? End of this week, maybe? Yeah, end of this week.

Speaker 1 I'm actually really looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 You were going to come home a little early, weren't you? You were threatening to do that. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 First of all,

Speaker 1 Jason, when were you here?

Speaker 1 Remember, you were going to come and you called me. I was going to come, but

Speaker 1 the dude came here. No, the dude came here.
Yeah, so Sean, are you? Are you? Did I tell you this when I saw you? What did I see you yesterday? Are you sure you can we talk about this?

Speaker 1 Wait, did I see you yesterday? I saw you yesterday. No, I saw you Saturday.
Saturday. Saturday.
I talked to Sean last night. I phoned, I FaceTime.
You phoned him, Granddad? FaceTime bombed him.

Speaker 1 That was really funny. Oh, my God.
They were freaking out. Anyway, keep going.
He was with a bunch of, he was with lesbians, and I was like, yeah, you don't have to tell me they're lesbians. I got it.

Speaker 1 He did something. Let's go deeper on that.
Can we have names?

Speaker 1 Wait, Jason, tell me what were you going to say? So

Speaker 1 I don't know if I can talk. Well, I guess I can talk about this.
I can just kind of skid along the top of it.

Speaker 1 My eldest,

Speaker 1 my 15-year-old daughter. We talked a little bit about this, but keep it.
Yeah, so she went to Europe this summer in a camp

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 she fell in love. And this guy, he lives in New York.

Speaker 1 He is currently married, has three kids, but you know,

Speaker 1 she.

Speaker 1 But you can always work it out. You can work through it.

Speaker 1 no she loves him no he's uh he's her age he's 15 and um she was going to fly out there and see him in new york because they they'd been dumb with camp for a couple of weeks and she was starting to really miss him this this whippersnapper gets a hold of my wife

Speaker 1 um and works out a whole surprise to come out and see frannie and visit and surprise frannie so this guy's been here posting up in my house for three days and just extended his trip another three days as of today.

Speaker 1 It was a surprise.

Speaker 1 He's there now. Yeah, here now.

Speaker 1 And he's staying with you. Staying with us.
There's rules. There's rules.
There's rules. He's an angel, though.
He clearly needs no rules. He just seems

Speaker 1 to drop straight from heaven. Nice kid.
But tell,

Speaker 1 tell Will what you did to keep the surprise from Franny. Oh, well, you know, it was a whole thing about like, well, him landing and then, you know, getting a ride to the house.

Speaker 1 And then do we, do we have her, you know, like run into him in a coffee shop here, no, next to the house? Or should we have him just kind of be in the house and have her come downstairs?

Speaker 1 And, you know, Amanda and I were trying to get out of the cake. Well, yeah, come out.
Yeah. We didn't want to.
Here, just get in this cake.

Speaker 1 I was really set on trying to preserve the moment that she sees him that we're not, you know, having, you know, two cameras rolling and making sure because you know of course that's what we want and that's what his mom wants but anyway we kind of we kind of did a little of each and I think it was a big success but you told her you told her to kind of get Gussied up for a photo or something oh yeah because Amanda thought well gosh you know if I was surprised and I didn't look my best

Speaker 1 I'd be upset at whoever surprised me so

Speaker 1 Amanda yes said that she had like

Speaker 1 should get like her passport picture retaken or some sort of picture that the photographer was nice enough to come over to the house and so just make sure you comb your hair before you come downstairs kind of thing yeah wow yeah yeah it was really really that's i love that story it's so sweet yeah it's i know and you'd have video you'll show me video later we've got video so you did shoot it you filmed it with a couple of we did film it but it was at a tasteful distance full crew from discovery

Speaker 1 i had i have seen have you ever seen uh alone it's the same production crew that shoot that works on alone one nice shout out for alone will have you don't have you uh gotten into alone frozen yet dude i am in alone we took a break for i'm now in alone the cup the first one where they do couples.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 so you met your Canadian guys. How about those Toronto fellas? Are those guys not the best? I got to watch them.
They are such graduates of Hoser You. They're from Toronto.

Speaker 1 And the one of them says to his brother, he goes,

Speaker 1 And I noticed the casual swearing by Canadians is so off the charts.

Speaker 1 Nobody gets beat more on those shows than Canadians. You're like, fuck it, hell of a day, eh?

Speaker 1 So it's just beat. Hell of a day, eh?

Speaker 1 I'm just like, oh, these guys are, they're beautes. The guy goes, he's fishing.
He's like, fuck, I better catch something, or I'm just going to stab myself in the face, eh?

Speaker 1 I forget how far they make it.

Speaker 1 It's so good. Wait, are you talking about the new one? It's like Alone Frozen.
No, no, no. That's season nine.
He's not there yet. I'm past that and now going to start

Speaker 1 the spin-off,

Speaker 1 the X-Champions that they drop into a frozen tundra. This is called Alone Frozen.
I haven't started this yet, but I've got a couple episodes.

Speaker 1 I'll be into that. Oh, wait, by the way,

Speaker 1 speaking of gussing yourself up, I got a facial the other day, and the woman, when I'm done, she says, By the way, Will, it's the same spa that I got you a gift card for.

Speaker 1 How often do you? Will has six jokes already, just right off the word facial.

Speaker 1 No, it was just

Speaker 1 a facial. Jizzin My facial.

Speaker 1 You gave a facial or you got one?

Speaker 1 Sorry, I don't know which joke to use. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay, so wait.

Speaker 1 Wait, Sean, so you go, you get a facial. I got a facial.
And when I was done, the woman says,

Speaker 1 the woman says, your scalp is too tight. Sounds good for you.

Speaker 1 Stop teeing them up, Sean. You got to be quicker.
Jason, stop laughing because that went too far. When I was done, she says to me,

Speaker 1 I mean, drop the ellipses and keep our net.

Speaker 1 Okay, ready?

Speaker 1 When I was done, the woman turns to me and says, your scalp is too tight. You think too much.
And I said, sorry, excuse me. She says, you need to stop thinking so hard.

Speaker 1 and i'm like what does that even mean you must have got a real deal on her

Speaker 1 i had a uh i i i did not have a facial today or give one but i did i did have a like a face what they call like face gym or something this person comes and they like it was alessandra set it up and they did this thing they like manipulated my face and moved it all around did all this stuff it was incredible a face gym so like face like cheek push-ups and things like that yeah they come they do all this stuff and then with this electromagnetic thing and do all this stuff.

Speaker 1 And it was like, I've never had it. I've had three facials, I think, in my life.

Speaker 1 They were great. Yeah.
But I just forget. It's nice.
They're nice. I forget they're nice because, you know, you look good.
Your skin looks very good. Sean, you look very good.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 Will, you look good. You look great.
Why do they fill out a V naught? I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm currently in a relationship. So, well, but you're coming out here, right? You're coming out.
You're changing area codes?

Speaker 1 Okay. So, wait, guys, before we get to our guests, I have an official announcement.
Oh, Oh, boy. Is it facial-related? What's that?

Speaker 1 What did you say? I asked if it was facial related.

Speaker 1 No, it's not. I got little midset.

Speaker 1 No, it's not facial related.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the play I did at the Goodman Theater in Chicago earlier this year, it's called Good Night Oscar. This is the official, official announcement that it's going to Broadway.
No way. Yes.

Speaker 1 Performances begin April 7th. Oh, wow.
And if you go to goodnightoscar.com, that's goodnightoscar.com. Spell it.

Speaker 1 Spell it. G-O-D-N-I-G-H-T-S-O-S-I-S.
It's not K-N-I, because this is the sword play you're doing, right? It's like, good morning, good night.

Speaker 1 You'll be one of the first to get tickets if you go to goodnightoscar.com. Tickets go on sale today to help you call and get excellent seats.
It's a great show. Oscar.
Wow.

Speaker 1 This is not the Excalibur One act you were doing. No, it's not.
And it's going to open at the Velasco Theater, which is huge. And I mean, it's a great theater.
And I've heard it's a little haunted.

Speaker 1 So that's going to be exciting. That is great.
Congratulations, Shawnee.

Speaker 1 Thank you I'm excited afraid of no ghosts by the way it should be mentioned um no but Shawnee Shawnee congratulations he had a very successful run in Chicago listener and he has earned this so I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna see it uh Will are you still thinking about it up in the air up in the air about going to see it yeah and we don't want your matinee money I always came I always I almost came I almost came to Chicago and I couldn't do it in the one weekend I had in Atlanta anyway yes I'm gonna be there are you kidding Will Carpool thank you guys for being so supportive I'm excited for you so happy for for you.

Speaker 1 All right, guys. So our guest today, boy, does she make me laugh a lot.

Speaker 3 But funny enough, that's not what she gets paid the big bucks to do.

Speaker 1 She was signed to a major record label at just 15 years old. Oh, my God.
She eventually released her first album under a different name

Speaker 1 than what we know her as today. She's Jason Joplin.

Speaker 1 Janice Joplin. The self-titled album was heavily influenced by her Christian upbringing, which I'm going to ask her about too.

Speaker 1 She's celebrated in the LGBTQ community, winning many awards for her advocacy and philanthropy. Guys like me have some pretty badass empowerment anthems because of her strength.

Speaker 1 Please welcome the fantastic, the fabulous, Katie Perry.

Speaker 1 What? What? Katie. Hi.

Speaker 1 Katie. That was a long wait for you, Katie.
That was a long wait. You don't have to wait that long for anyone.
Katie, you don't have to wait that long. You can't.

Speaker 1 Did you hear me cracking my knuckles?

Speaker 3 I was like, guys, my child just woke up from a nap. She's desperate to see her mommy.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Oh, is that true? Well, not really, but okay, let's get right into the baby stuff.

Speaker 1 How is the kidnapping? Boy or girl?

Speaker 3 She's a girl.

Speaker 3 She's about to be two years old. She's doing okay.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 I am

Speaker 3 working a lot and I've always worked a lot and kind of been a matriarchal figure.

Speaker 1 Yes, you have.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I have a wonderful nanny, but I don't have a full-time nanny because...

Speaker 3 I feel like if I had a full-time nanny, then I would never be able to know how to like care for my daughter. Right.
Like I'm meant to and so therefore any day I get off

Speaker 3 I'm just like in mom mode like doesn't matter if I've had a show that goes to 11 p.m.

Speaker 3 the night before I'm waking up at six o'clock and we're going to go and do breakfast and yes I have the no sleep shakes

Speaker 3 but um

Speaker 3 yeah so I'm I'm doing mom mode today and my sister tapped in to to do some play-doh while we're having a little chat so well thank you for taking the time I think I think I think as much help as you can get,

Speaker 1 my, just for what it's worth,

Speaker 1 it always made me a better parent so that I could refill my patience tank and my compromise tank and whatever that is.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's, I think help is great as much as you can.

Speaker 3 Oh, of course. I mean, it's, whereas like super blessed and I'm so grateful, but I also, you know, like,

Speaker 3 want to participate and like yeah, yeah. I want like every, she's two, so she's at that point where it's like she's saying new words every day.

Speaker 3 And the other day she was just saying some words that I didn't teach her. And I was like, damn it, that doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, so she's two, so then she's walking around.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You have, you have all the corners padded and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, still. I actually overheard your conversation about the new boyfriend.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Yes. I think you got to look at the bright side of this is that he's on your turf.
She's not over there.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.

Speaker 3 not texting me back. He's literally in your house.
So if you wanted to set up that extra ring camera and throw it in like a old stuffed teddy bear in the bedroom, you know, you could do it.

Speaker 1 I might see stuff I don't want to see. Sure.
Yeah. I might see stuff I don't want to see.
Now, are you getting help from dad?

Speaker 3 Yeah, dad. Is dad around? Of course, dad is the best.

Speaker 3 But actually, I was a little tardy for this call because he had just called me to let me know he was alive because he's in the Bahamas right now filming a show where he goes to kind of just the edge of everything extreme and he's doing an episode on free diving.

Speaker 3 So he just free dove like over 100 feet.

Speaker 1 For my sister, Tracy, you're talking about Orlando Bloom.

Speaker 3 Yes, Orlando Bloom, yeah.

Speaker 3 And so he was just calling me to check in and tell me that he's still around,

Speaker 3 which I'm grateful for because it's been a few days he's been learning how to

Speaker 3 do all these kind of extreme sports. He's filming a show for Discovery and it's just like, it's a little nerve-wracking, but no stunt doubles allowed.

Speaker 1 John can relate.

Speaker 1 She is his own story. You got to go in toes first, right? Will used to do a lot of,

Speaker 1 Acapulco, he did some free diving. You got to go in toes first.
You lose your toenails. You saw that footage of me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure.
From back in the day.

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Speaker 1 All right, back to the show. Wait, Katie, I want to talk about, by the way, I've like, I know you have to like transfer out of like mom mode for a second and be here to talk about all this stuff.

Speaker 3 I want so many fucking hats. Come on.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do it. All right.
So I did not know your real name was Kate Hudson. Katie Hudson.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, it's Catherine Hudson.

Speaker 3 But people called me Katie Hudson, but I didn't know that. In the beginning, I decided not to do that because.

Speaker 1 How did you settle on Perry?

Speaker 3 My mother's maiden name Perry. So if we were living in a matriarchal society, it would have just been easy.

Speaker 1 Have you cornered Kate Hudson at a party and told her to back off and

Speaker 1 give you the name back?

Speaker 3 No, we're best friends.

Speaker 3 We get along. That was actually the first thing that we got along on.

Speaker 1 How could you not get along with her? She's just

Speaker 3 effervescent is the word, I think.

Speaker 1 She's so sweet.

Speaker 3 She's just like, I can do anything. I've got children.
I can cook. I'll show you how to do my yoga poses.

Speaker 1 Yep. Wait, speaking of poses, the first time I met you was very brief backstage at either Madonna or Janet Jackson.
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 But I think it was probably Madonna.

Speaker 1 Madonna. And I didn't stick around because Madonna was like two, three hours late.
I was like, I'm old. I got to go to bed.
I get it. But I saw you backstage.

Speaker 1 And the first time, we didn't even say hello. I go, Katie.
I go, you have Sean. And we both did the Lions pose because we have the same vocal coach.
Oh, yeah. Remember that? We stuck our hands out

Speaker 3 like that.

Speaker 1 Eric Vitro. Shout out to him.
Eric Vitro, yeah.

Speaker 3 The most iconic.

Speaker 3 He's like, kind of like,

Speaker 3 he's Corky St. Clair in a Christopher Guest

Speaker 3 movie. He really is.
He's like a little, he's like a character from a Christopher Guest movie.

Speaker 1 He's the greatest. And the greatest vocal coach ever.
Got me through Broadway. He's amazing if I had if I had his name my business I would call my business in vitro of course I would not of course

Speaker 1 wait a second wait a second so Sean came up to you at a Sean came up to you at a after a concert and then did no before oh before the concert yeah and were you on your so you went to Janet Jackson and then Madonna were you on your way to share or was that

Speaker 3 the the Holy Trinity yeah

Speaker 1 you mean

Speaker 1 the Holy Trinity the Trinity was complete with Katie there and you know that Katie doesn't know that I was actually a backup dancer for Janet Jackson.

Speaker 1 Will was on an episode of Will and Grace where we were both backup dancers to Janet Jackson. And Sean and I had a dance off, and I was in January Johnson's band.
Jason, you were there that night.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was there. So true story.
Wait, go back to just for one second with Eric Vicho. Do you still use him and call him up? Because you're doing a Vegas show.

Speaker 1 Is it every night you do the Vegas show?

Speaker 3 No, I do it in like three-week installments.

Speaker 1 How much you get for that? How much money do they pay you for that? You don't have to answer that. Don't listen to that.

Speaker 3 It allows me the ability to drop my daughter off at preschool and then mommy goes to work and comes back home the next day. So it's like, it's like a, it's such a great routine.

Speaker 3 You know, it's like, it's something that like pop stars love to do and check off the box. But it's also, I get to create an incredible, crazy, crazy show that I can't tour with because I couldn't.

Speaker 3 possibly move all these absurd props that are on the stage. But do I call him every single time I sing? No, I actually have a recording

Speaker 3 of, yeah, and it's like from like 10 years ago, and yeah, it's the best.

Speaker 1 Do you know, so you know Eric Vitro? Do you know Skevo?

Speaker 1 That's the guy who cuts my hair. That's Sean's beautician.

Speaker 1 We all know each other.

Speaker 3 This community, we're all just, we don't, we just all hang.

Speaker 1 Right. So in Vegas, so you do three weeks at a time at your, what is it? What is the place? What is the

Speaker 3 Resorts World,

Speaker 3 which is the newest hotel on the strip. Gotcha.
And it's right next to the wind.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I started it out

Speaker 3 on New Year's Eve, I think, or a couple days before New Year's Eve. Just this past year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And I'm there for this year. And I'll be doing some more shows.
I'll do my

Speaker 3 last kind of announced run so far, and it depends if we'll go next year, is in October.

Speaker 1 So you do three weeks on, one week off, three weeks on, one week off, all year?

Speaker 3 No, I don't do that. Actually, it's actually, it's kind of crazy it's three weeks on and then sometimes six to nine weeks off oh that's a nice and i it's really easy to become fat elvis in between

Speaker 1 really

Speaker 1 incredible so listen katie um i've always this is so cool that you're here so thank you i mean it is very cool to have you on this is this i only i'm only doing this because of

Speaker 3 it's divided between sean and amanda

Speaker 3 i'm gonna tell her i'm gonna tell her it's mostly it's mostly amanda i love you sean but amanda she's No, I get it.

Speaker 1 I get it. We all love Amanda.
She's pretty great. Will loves Amanda.

Speaker 3 She's the real boss of this podcast.

Speaker 1 I think Will talks to Amanda more than I do.

Speaker 1 Everybody loves Amanda. Will Next Fall on NBC.

Speaker 1 She's my most frequent FaceTimer.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, Kenny, can I go back to,

Speaker 1 Sean was, I want to talk about, like, we talked about you going to Vegas and doing this stuff. What was,

Speaker 1 for you musically, like, what was, I don't know, who were your idols growing up? Who are the people you're like, I want to be like that. I want to sound like that.

Speaker 1 Like, this is the kind of shit I want to do.

Speaker 3 Jagged Little Pill by Elanis Morrison changed my life. Oh, wow.
That was the record that changed my life.

Speaker 1 How old were you when that came out? Well, that's rude to ask.

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm 37, so I don't know. It was like early 20s.
I mean, it was late teens.

Speaker 1 Sorry, late teens. God, that was so good.
That was a good record.

Speaker 3 But before that, Queen. Queen was like the number.
Freddie Mercury was

Speaker 1 amazing.

Speaker 3 I only listened to gospel music

Speaker 3 my whole life up until I was about 13. And then I discovered like a greatest hits of Queen and the wide album from

Speaker 3 The Beatles and Pet Sounds from The Beach Boys. And those three compact discs were on rotate.

Speaker 1 That was it. That's amazing.
Were you not allowed to listen to other? Oh, that's what I was saying. Guys, don't fight.
Don't fight.

Speaker 3 No, I wasn't allowed. I was raised in a very Christian,

Speaker 3 but it's like, they call it born-again Christian. So it's like, it's very kind of emotional and like it's new wave.
Don't call it new age, but it's, it's not like, it's not like a Catholic.

Speaker 3 It's like, it's pretty radical Christian.

Speaker 1 But no music sounds more like boring again. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Well, actually, there's a whole, like, I mean, there's like all.

Speaker 1 You have to take that shit from them, Kate. No, she's with me.

Speaker 3 You're not offending me, please.

Speaker 3 But no, I grew up with listening to gospel music and Christian music. And there's like a whole, there's a whole

Speaker 3 Christian music world out there that have their own type of Grammys. I mean, it's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 That's huge, right? Huge.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's massive.

Speaker 1 Really? Do you mind if I ask how big religion plays in your life currently? Currently? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Religion. Organized? No.

Speaker 3 I don't believe in the way that I was raised.

Speaker 3 Organized religion is not necessarily for me.

Speaker 3 I'm a big, big seeker.

Speaker 3 Orlando is a devout Buddhist and he chants every morning mostly. And so

Speaker 3 I kind of follow a little bit more of his philosophy or just the Buddhist philosophy, but I'm actually just like a seeker of all of it.

Speaker 3 I mean, like from mysticism to math to geometry to like physics, lots of science.

Speaker 1 Right. There's something bigger up there that somehow explains all this beautiful miracle stuff, but what that thing is can be for anybody's choosing kind of thing?

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm sure it's ultimately going to be something. I don't know if it's anyone's choosing, but I'm sure.

Speaker 1 No, but I mean, whatever they want to call it, right?

Speaker 3 Buddha or I have some, I have some freaky,

Speaker 3 not freaky, but like, there's, there's some thoughts that I entertain.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that explains it all kind of thing.

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm into simulation theory. I'm into like

Speaker 3 NPCs. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 Let's

Speaker 1 do all of it.

Speaker 1 Somebody just walked me through the simulation thing last weekend. What's the simulation? You just heard about that?

Speaker 3 Well, I don't, I mean, I've never been walked through it.

Speaker 1 You were a part of a simulation?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but like, for instance, my brother is a big gamer and he's into crypto and I'm into crypto and all that.

Speaker 3 all that stuff. But they were watching like the X games of video gaming yesterday.

Speaker 3 And it was like, it was literally just video gamers on their computers, you know, with their fancy chairs playing

Speaker 1 FIFA or playing soccer.

Speaker 3 Right. And there was a stadium full of people watching these people play their characters, their avatars.
And I was like, well, isn't that already happening? Is this like meta, meta?

Speaker 3 Is this happening with us? Is someone potentially playing with us?

Speaker 1 Us?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 And then we're figuring out how to play another game. And, you know, the metaverse is just like the next dimension of our reality.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Something just outside of what we can see. And perhaps this is all sort of happening at

Speaker 1 another place. And we think we're here, but we're really not kind of.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I don't even smoke weed. I'm not even allowed to smoke weed because you don't want to smoke weed.

Speaker 1 It sounds like you're making it. I mean,

Speaker 3 listen. It sounds like I'm micro-dosing now.

Speaker 1 Here's the other thing to keep in mind.

Speaker 1 I have had those thoughts too, where it's that whole like, are we in the matrix, all that kind of shit. Yeah, I love it.
And I have to be honest, I had it quite recently.

Speaker 1 And to a certain degree, I thought,

Speaker 1 if I am, I actually don't want to know.

Speaker 3 Yes, it's pretty intense to try and process any of that information.

Speaker 1 Now, what was the other thing you said? So simulation and what was your MMT? No.

Speaker 3 MPC.

Speaker 1 What is that? What is that?

Speaker 3 Non-player character.

Speaker 1 Non-player character. And NPC.

Speaker 1 It's like that

Speaker 1 free guy movie.

Speaker 3 That's what Sean's movie was all about that back people that are not uh actively participating in life

Speaker 1 and they're they're like so and it's a reference to basically

Speaker 1 or katie correct me if i'm wrong characters who are or who are extras in video games who just kind of walk around and don't or aren't actually part of the thing they're wow that's wild i think it's a i think it's maybe a a sociopathic way to explain it but I mean, on a more esoteric spiritual level, maybe it's just people that,

Speaker 3 people that lack awareness or consciousness.

Speaker 1 I feel like as soon as the headset thing,

Speaker 1 the virtual reality thing, when that really like takes over, I feel like we're going to have a bunch of those people. They're just like, well, why should I go out?

Speaker 1 I got this perfect environment that I could just kind of put on my head. I can stay in my air-conditioned house and I can really kind of go wherever I want.
Have you done that, Jason, before?

Speaker 1 Have you put it? No, but from what I hear about it, it sounds fantastic. Yeah, because the second you take it off,

Speaker 1 the second you take it off, and you forget, oh, gosh, I'm in my living room. It really transports you to another world.
Like, it's crazy. But, but it's really simple.
We're just from aliens, period.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 3 We're all just stars bound to a body.

Speaker 1 That's exactly right. Guys, I've been saying it for years.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, Katie, I want to talk about your, just you for a second and like your scenes and music and everything I know we are, but I want to talk about like,

Speaker 1 I just, you know, I'm obsessed. So

Speaker 1 first of all, I just have to say this, you know, for as long as we live,

Speaker 1 Mariah Carey will have a Christmas song that will be played every single holiday season called All I Want for Christmas forever.

Speaker 1 And there's only a handful of people that have anthems like to a holiday and stuff.

Speaker 1 But for as long as we have the next 10,000 years, 4th of July, they will always play firework by Katy Perry for the rest of our life.

Speaker 1 I mean, isn't that cool?

Speaker 1 Apparently, for 10,000 years.

Speaker 3 Yes. 10,000 years until the next polar shift.

Speaker 3 Then all the pop stars start up.

Speaker 1 None of us are living more than 40 more years on this planet. Keep going, Sean.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's the polar shift.

Speaker 1 No, but that's just like, obviously.

Speaker 3 It's so great. I'm so, look, I'm so, I'm grateful.

Speaker 1 You don't have to say anything. I just think it's so cool.
It's the best. Yeah.
I mean, and that you didn't write it for that purpose, but it became that thing.

Speaker 1 And now every fourth of July, we just hear that. I think it's so cool.
I just think that's cool.

Speaker 3 It's wild. You know, you guys know because you guys have a lot of, I mean, all of you have been in,

Speaker 3 you know, success for a long time for more than a decade. It's like in the beginning, there's a lot of anxiety and worry and doubt and fear and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 And then you just keep chipping away at, chipping away, chipping away. And then 10 years pass and then 15 years pass and you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 this gonna be okay i think yeah yeah it's gonna be okay and the more the more i decide to live the better i get at living it you know yeah yeah the more you decide to live meaning the the less you pay attention to to business and the aspirations and the ambition and stuff and and more about like personal life you focus on?

Speaker 3 I mean, yes, but no, I'm just saying that, like,

Speaker 3 you know, I don't come from anything. So I just, I'm grateful that I've been able to scale these heights.
Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't say that I didn't dream of these heights because I totally did.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But just because you dream, it doesn't mean you always get the opportunity to do it.

Speaker 1 Right, but your, but your work ethic, I mean, it's like song after song, album after album is just massively, globally huge it's just unbelievable

Speaker 1 you know where does that come from where you just like you know what i gotta get another album and another album and another album and all the people that you collaborate with childhood trauma yeah for sure

Speaker 3 childhood trauma uh it is the gasoline for all art for a long long time until it turns against you

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Speaker 1 What does it look like? What does it look like in another 15 years? Is there, would you love to just become

Speaker 1 a more and more mature singer, a songwriter, a producer, or all of it?

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 my currency is

Speaker 3 communication with people. You know, that's what I feel like I'm put on the planet to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're an excellent excellent communicator. I watch on American Idol, the way you speak to the contestants.

Speaker 1 I've seen you in interviews, the way you just, the way you carry yourself is an extremely intelligent, very succinct, very. Sean, go ahead and ask her.

Speaker 1 He wants to know how much you make on American Idol.

Speaker 1 He's desperate to know.

Speaker 1 And by the way, he's laughing now, and he's also like, but maybe she will.

Speaker 1 Scratching the question off the list.

Speaker 1 No, but seriously.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I'd like to continue scaling

Speaker 3 with that. I mean, I love music and, you know, that has been the main, you know, that's my main tree, but I have a ton of branches and,

Speaker 3 you know, maybe another tree.

Speaker 1 By the way, what about acting? Because in all your videos, I swear I'm not just saying this. You're a really talented actress.

Speaker 1 And I'm not, I can't be the first person to tell you, but in every video, I'm just like, why is she not like in a movie or something or like a child? Can I tell you? Can I tell you? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's make some news.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 1 you and Orly are doing love letters. You're doing love letters down at the end.

Speaker 3 I respect what you guys do, but I think I have a little bit more fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, wow.
You probably do. Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 3 Because I have been on set. I have, I have, you know, I've been around all the actors.
I've dated them, married them, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 And like the amount of time that you guys sit in a trailer and then the amount of deliveries and takes you do like close up and then wide and over the shoulder.

Speaker 3 And it's just like, I just go on the stage for two hours and I, and I do it all in real time in front of a real audience. And, you know, I feel like I love what I do.

Speaker 3 And like, I would not not do a movie. Obviously, I have ideas and dreams and I probably will in the future, but it has to be something that I'm totally like.
so excited for

Speaker 3 develop and own and all that jazz because I'm, you know, it's a real communal job that you guys have yeah and my job takes a team but it's not as communal like the buck stops at me yeah yeah you know that's so I'm I'm like I love watching films I love you know I'm I respect and admire and I'm in awe

Speaker 3 of the dedication, the time spent, the effort that all y'all do. But it's just, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you're in the studio for hours and days and weeks, and then you shoot videos for hours and days and weeks. No, videos are just a couple days, right? I mean, videos are two to three days.

Speaker 1 All right, well, calm down, everybody. Well, no, no, no.
I'm I'm

Speaker 1 I was looking up, uh, Kitty, I was looking, I was trying to remember the name of your song. Anyway, I was just looking up, and then give me some context clues, I'll tell you.
Well, no, it was Roar.

Speaker 1 Sing a little bit of it. Roar, yeah, but then the question is this.
Well, it's more of a statement. So then Wikipedia decides to tell me that you've sold over 143 million records worldwide.

Speaker 1 You've had over a billion streams on Spotify. You have nine number one U.S.
singles. I'm like, what? That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 So when you're saying to her, do you ever want to be an actress? She's like, what? What? Why the fuck? No, because she's doing what you do. You're cool.

Speaker 1 She's like on top of a mountain.

Speaker 3 I'm a statistic media.

Speaker 1 Yes, no, but have you seen her videos? She's like a really fantastic actor. Yes, I have seen her videos.
I don't know. It's amazing.
What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 If you have a two-year-old, it'll start start eventually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 okay, so wait, before we let you go, because it's been too long, you got to get back to your, you're narrating an Elizabeth Taylor podcast, which is amazing. Tell me about why and what it's about.

Speaker 1 And Elizabeth Taylor, you only talk about Elizabeth Taylor? I don't understand.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm learning so much by narrating it.

Speaker 3 She's like one of my heroes. I mean, she just,

Speaker 3 you know, she wasn't just an actress. She was an activist and expanded.
She was the first influencer i would say you know she created a brand and and

Speaker 3 you know she had ownership she really was such an incredible businesswoman and

Speaker 3 you know i'm just just so inspired by her and and i resonate a lot with her story and hope to

Speaker 3 you know have as many husbands as her so yeah

Speaker 1 what did she have seven

Speaker 3 it's seven and one of them was twice. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was Richard Burton.

Speaker 1 Old Dickie Burts. Yeah.
Oh, my God. At what point do you think she said, maybe it's me? But anyway, okay.

Speaker 1 But last stat that I think is so impressive, and I couldn't name a million of them,

Speaker 1 is of all halftime Super Bowl shows,

Speaker 1 yours is the most watched. Worth it.
I think it's incredible.

Speaker 1 Well deserved. Thank you.
I thought it was amazing.

Speaker 1 Was it worth it? Was it was it worth it? Because you know when they talk about like, they're always like, this year in the Super Bowl, it's going to be Katy Perry.

Speaker 1 And then they're like, did you guys hear this week on this year in the Super Bowl? It's going to be so-and-so.

Speaker 1 Was it that much of a thrill? You can be honest because nobody listens to this podcast.

Speaker 3 You guys are actually really popular.

Speaker 1 I'll bet it was really fun.

Speaker 1 Was it fun? Like, was it

Speaker 1 fun? So, was it everything that you wanted it to? Is it the greatest thing?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was everything. It was like,

Speaker 3 it was really intense.

Speaker 3 It was the most adrenaline.

Speaker 3 It was like,

Speaker 3 I had never been close to death. I had never given birth.
So I had nothing

Speaker 3 to compare it to. Those feelings seem like really intense, you know, life feelings, but it felt like it was in that same category.
You don't really wish it on anyone, but,

Speaker 3 you know, it's a rite of passage in some ways. And it separates, I think, people.
And I mean, it definitely helps catapult and, you know, puts you, just puts you in a different thing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it was amazing. And I got to pick my

Speaker 3 people that I performed with, which was Missy Elliott and Lenny Kravitz.

Speaker 3 But I rehearsed, I rehearsed the hell out of it. Like you did.

Speaker 3 Well, one of my producers for that particular show, he literally had a cattle prod.

Speaker 3 And he would run after me with this cattle prod. And it'd just go,

Speaker 3 And I'd have to, it was like my legs were so sore, but I had to climb and mount that lion again and get on it.

Speaker 3 And what you didn't see in between, you know, all the changes and stuff on that particular show is that I was coming down from the lion by literally doing, holding onto a fire pole. So I was like.

Speaker 3 Coming down the firepole, I was changing, ripping things. I was wearing three costumes under one thing, you know, there was so much behind the scenes that was going on in order to like

Speaker 3 in order to give it that color and variety and life and just have it be the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 How long did they let you rehearse that?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I rehearsed it for months on end, but um, really months, yeah, but you only get like there's so much room for error.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course, it's only like it's only like 10 minutes, right?

Speaker 3 10, 12 minutes, yeah. And a lot of my show was based on projection.

Speaker 3 So the funny thing, well, not funny.

Speaker 1 I do a lot of projecting, too.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I can see.

Speaker 3 No, but like it has to get certain, the light has to be a certain way in order for projection to work.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that game was running early. So I was about to get totally screwed.
And something happened. The universe covered me.

Speaker 3 And there were some, you know, calls or fouls or whatever that were called that delayed the game. And finally, it got dark enough that the projection would actually be read.

Speaker 3 Otherwise, I was going to have a

Speaker 3 pretty crappy show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's so much pressure. And so you're building up, you're rehearsing, then stuff like that happens.
And it sort of occurs to me, I mean,

Speaker 1 not only

Speaker 1 do you have to go and do it, but you are, and especially because you're a solo artist, I know there are a lot of people who you work with and a lot of dancers and people, of course, but it's you.

Speaker 1 It's your name. And you're the CEO of Katy Perry Inc.

Speaker 1 And you're also the star. Katy Perry Inc.
Yeah, you know what I mean? But you're all, it's everybody's leaning on you. There must be, that's a lot of, must be a lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 When the call comes in, they're like, hey, Katie, they want you to do a Super Bowl. Are you like, yes, automatically? Are you like, oh, this is risky?

Speaker 1 You have to make all these big decisions is my point. Like, it's a lot, I bet.

Speaker 3 Big risk, big reward.

Speaker 1 That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's right.

Speaker 3 I like to roll it.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's admirable as hell.

Speaker 3 But I like to roll it with preparation. So when I decide to do something, I'm a super prepper.
It's not by accident. So, there's no nerves ever for anything.

Speaker 3 Like opening the show in Vegas, I had been developing it for over a year. I had been on stage rehearsing it for months on end.
I had everything dialed in. There were no surprises.

Speaker 3 The only thing we were navigating in that time was COVID, and we were bobbing and weaving left and right because it was such a crazy time.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the preparation makes the precision.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
I like that. Yeah, and it shows in everything you do.
Every single thing you do is like perfection.

Speaker 1 I really appreciate you. Yeah, you're drilling it.
You're absolutely killing it. It's amazing.
Katie, we love you. Thank you for being here.
Please go attend to your daughter.

Speaker 1 Thanks for doing this and taking some time out from being mommy. And please say hi to daddy.

Speaker 3 I will. I will.
And please say hi to other mommy, Amanda.

Speaker 1 I will. I definitely.
Love her.

Speaker 3 Thanks, guys. Thanks.

Speaker 3 Can I give a shout out to my cousin Jen who listens to your podcast? And she's the reason why I ultimately said yes.

Speaker 3 Jen.

Speaker 1 Thanks to Jen. Thanks, Jen.
She was a huge, she's

Speaker 1 a huge fan.

Speaker 1 Where's Jen?

Speaker 3 Jen is in LA and she just conquered breast cancer. So she's a huge, huge fan

Speaker 1 of you guys. And

Speaker 3 she was telling me about Smartlist and then, you know, someone said, oh, you should do Smartlist. And I was like, oh, well, my cousin really likes it and she's cool.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to do it but i also like you guys very nice very nice that's awesome well send it please katie please send our love to to jen well we're saying it right now jen we're sending you our love jen we'd love

Speaker 1 you we're happy for you congrats it's awesome we love you too katie

Speaker 3 love you guys thanks so much

Speaker 1 all right see ya

Speaker 1 oh i forgot to i forgot to tell her to text me she's like she's never gonna text me

Speaker 1 you know just text just text her text her yeah text her i'm kidding i don't have wait for the bubbles could you imagine

Speaker 1 If I had her digits, that would you guys say? If I had her digits, I would be texting her all day and night. Just like a bunch of like kiddies on skateboards and stuff.

Speaker 1 I just make her just throw her phone out the window. Just kooky stuff all day and night.
I didn't know that she and Amanda were friends.

Speaker 1 She has talked with Amanda quite a few times

Speaker 1 at dinners and stuff with Orlando. And, you know, Amanda.
Amanda, Amanda's in the house at night. I do not.
Yeah. You know, I'm a house cat.
But how great is she?

Speaker 1 Isn't that a nice surprise? I've never had a lengthy conversation with her. I just said hello once and then she came on the show.

Speaker 1 No, I don't know her at all. Oh, I just met her once so fast.
It was so brief. We did like a bit with like.
They should have been in the interview. God, we're bad interviewers.
We're the worst.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Well, we're not smart. You know, if we were smart, we'd ask good questions.
I know. We'd do research.
I know.

Speaker 1 But it just occurred to me when she was talking about, and this goes for all solo artists, but just, you know,

Speaker 1 how much pressure there is on her. Like, you know, it's insane.
It's a huge

Speaker 1 huge enterprise. I know, man.
Well, you know, there's a lot of pressure on you too, Arnett. Who's the CEO of Will Arnett? I know, but you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but I'm not Katy Perry, man.

Speaker 1 She's on a, you know, she's killing it. Yeah.
It's kind of amazing. I mean, let's do sing roar one more time.
You're going to hear me roar. You're going to hear me roar.
Just tickle me. What about

Speaker 1 so catchy?

Speaker 1 How does the firecracker one? Nine number one U.S. single.
How's the Firecracker one go?

Speaker 1 It goes

Speaker 1 Firecracker. Wait, wait, and I can't think of it, of course.
You light it, and I will spark it. Is that, am I close?

Speaker 1 You start this fuse,

Speaker 1 and I will bang, bang, bang it.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 1 Listen to this style of music. You get too much Paul Anka in.
I closed my eyes. Katy Perry never left.
Every song that Jason sings sounds like a Paul Anka hit.

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