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Hello? Oh, you got a phone call. I'm just doing this intro thing with Sean.
With Sean from, yeah. Hey, you want to finish with me first and then take the call? One second, Sean.
This is very important. Yes, host of the year, Sean Hayes.
Why don't we start the show? Sean, one second.

I'm going to be there.

Why are you so...

Why don't we just start the show

and then you can take me home?

This is an important business call.

Just give me one second.

Yeah, just chill.

What's going on with you?

Guys, welcome to SmartLess.

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Yeah, good news, bad news kind of thing. It's a dark day for sweet Willie Arnett.
It's a bummer. We're not going to, because of everything that's going on in the world, we are unfortunately going to have to cancel our Toronto shows.
Yeah. So sorry to all our Toronto friends.
And just so people understand, it's due to current capacity restrictions and the uncertain timeline of those limitations that we have to cancel the Toronto show. And they can get refunds, right? Yes.
The good news is that a refund will be processed automatically if you bought tickets. If you bought tickets directly from Ticketmaster, I think, is the caveat.
But let's tell them where we're going instead. The new city is...
Sean? Washington, D.C. Wait, what? Yes, February 2nd, the same day as the Toronto Show, but now since we're not doing Toronto, we're doing D.C.
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Never go to the post office again. So we're very sorry, Toronto.
We love you, Canada. We will return.
We love you so much. We know we have a lot of fans in Toronto and D.C.
We can't wait to see you at Constitution Hall. And that's great.
February 2nd. And anyway, let's get to the show.
Let's get to the show. Let's get to the show.
This is odd, isn't it? We're doing a little Monday matinee. Listener, I've got shoes on.
I don't think I've had shoes on for... How many episodes have we done now? Yeah.
It's the first one. And you're wearing a nice crew neck.
Yeah. Well, how dare you? It's a sweater.
Yeah, I guess. That's what I mean.
It's a crew neck sweater. It looks like a cash sweater.
It is. It's cash.
You guys are also wearing... I'm wearing a V.
Will, you're wearing a crew neck sweater. Slight V.
Slight crew neck. And Sean's wearing a Henley collar.
But he's wearing a Henley with a t-shirt. Is it a sweater? We all have t-shirts under.
We all have t-shirts under. We all grew up on TV being dressed by costumers that like to put a little collar t-shirt underneath the sweater.
That's so true. We all have t-shirts under our sweater.
My t-shirt is a slight V. It's not really a V.
If you want to get into it, this is a Heather Gray. You know, when the Hogan family was over, that was a show I was in for a few years.
And I'm out, guys. I'm out.
No, listen. So back in the Hogan family.
We're not rolling yet. So when they were done with the show, they said, hey, would you like any of the wardrobe that your character wore? And I said, how much can I take? And they said, well well tell us what you don't want and i said well i'm not sure i don't want any of it can i have all of it and they said sure so my whole wardrobe for well really until i got with amanda was was was all david hogan family and it still fit yeah it did still fit for a bit.
Would it fit now? It would, yes. Yes, I think it would.
You know what, the same thing they offered. Well, now they offer, if you want any of the wardrobe, you have to buy it.
Yeah, that's a really tacky thing, I think, that production companies are doing nowadays. I don't have that.
The shows end, and they sell all the props, and all the the furniture and all the clothes and it's like hey hey let's easy with the tacky garage sale sean i'll tell you when we when we first did arrested um development development hang on i was getting to it i just wanted to have a nice pause when we were first doing arrest development um we used to jason and i especially amongst everybody in the cast uh would have our sides and for Tracy, I think we've been through sides. Oh, no, tell Tracy what sides are.
Whatever scenes you're shooting that day, they print out those scenes so that you can have quick access to those scenes for your lines of dialogue and they make them smaller if you'd like them to so you can kind of carry them around easily. And Jason and I would, we often had quite a bit of dialogue and we would quickly look at it and then we'd be, especially in the model home set, we'd jam them in the couch, our sides, they'd go rolling, here we go guys, we're rolling, we'd just take a last look at that, and then jam it in the couch to do the scene.
So years later, we'd go back to start doing the Netflix season, like season four, and they bring all, and they had some of that, all that old stuff they had in storage. And they bring the couch, and Jason, I don't know if you remember, you and I went in, the first day we had to do like a, like a 12-page two-person scene that was insane that Mitch had changed the dialogue first day.
And we were like trying to remember, get to the couch. And I'm like, huh, reach in.
And there are all these sides in there, all these sides from like eight years before we had a terrible housekeeper on the show yeah we really we would do that too like all around the set we just like hide lines and stuff i'd write them on the table and you know ted danson's famous for keeping his script behind the bar so if every looks down he's looking at his pages oh really no kidding he's not working the uh the ice huh that was sometimes he was Guys, let looking at his pages. Oh, really? No kidding.
He's not working the ice, huh?

Sometimes he might.

Guys, let's get to it.

Oh, shit.

What an extraordinary person we have today.

This little girl got her start on...

Higher and less red.

This little girl got her start on a local puppet show

called Hickory Hideout.

And then because of that impressive credit,

it made sense her next move would be on the hit NBC drama, Crossing Jordan, and then went on to steal scenes in Parks and Rec, Transparent, and on and on. And in films, she has incredible roles in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, Anchorman, tons of other great comedies, as well as amazing dramas like The Last Mimsy, Revolutionary Road.
But her latest gig, which I'm a huge fan of, was from the Marvel world, starring as the amazing villain Agatha Harkness in WandaVision. It's the illustrious Katherine Hahn, who I love.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Wait, you guys. Our Katherine Hahn? Yeah, why is she your guest? Katherine, how dare you come in on Sean's list? You should have called me and said, before I say yes to Sean, I just want to make sure you're good with me not being your guest.
Well, I'm also really like, everything about this is cute. First of all, that it's a paper towel.
That was over your camera? Yeah, not just camera off, but just that I'm supposed to hold a paper towel. So I saw your cute, look at you, you're all dressed the same today.
Yeah, we dressed up for you today. We literally dressed exactly the same for us.
It's all of us dead, kind of. Look at all of us.
Oh, yeah, you're in the same, well, it's kind of rainy here, isn't it? Yeah, it's all cozy and rainy. Well, Sean, would you guys mind taking a tight 60-minute break and just let me hang out with Catherine for a bit? Sure.
Oh, sure. I think more than both of you guys put together.
We have a lot of catching up to do. We really do.
I know. Catherine, I don't know.
I think we met a long time. Come on.
Thank you for having me. Yes.
We did. Yeah, a long time ago.
And we share a very good mutual friend. Well, don't gloss over that.
Where did you guys meet a long time ago? What was that event? Well, you might remember it differently, but I remember it was like when I was doing Crossing Jordan, there was an NBC party maybe at 30 Rock. Yeah, sure.
And then we ended up at a bar called Names and Faces. Yes.
Sounds great. Right by what we used to call the Regal Beagle, the Regal Royale.
Was it called Names and Faces? Yes. Names and Faces.
Jason would have, he has problems with both of those things. They don't let him in.
They don't let him in. Wait, Catherine, quick question.
Just not to speed up your story, but how long did it take to cross Jordan? Oh, I'm still crossing Jordan.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

No, she never got a cross.

Seven seasons.

That's what kept it going.

Just for the record,

if I made that joke,

Will wouldn't talk to me

for a week.

Yeah, Will makes it

and I laugh my ass off.

It's how you make it.

It depends on what time

of the year

you're going to cross Jordan in.

If it's a winter,

they've got tough winters over there.

Wait, you're in your house, but it looks like you're in a record store or something.

What's happening?

It does look, yeah.

Me?

You look like you're on the set of a...

What if I was just in a record store, you guys?

I'm living out my high-fidelity dreams.

Are you in the set of a...

I'm in my garage, guys.

I don't know what to tell you.

What do you do, paint or what's going on?

Is it a gal cave?

You guys, can I tell you a very funny story?

Sean had asked me to do this before, and I was the guest that had to bail last minute. That's okay.
That was you. You had to bail last minute? I was in Serbia and it was late at night, my time.
And my headphone jacks. This is my headphone.
Uh-huh, got it. They wouldn't work.

And turns out all I needed to do was... It should be noted that you just made the universal sign for...

Masturbation.

Jacking off.

Pulling a rope down.

Jason.

Well, needless to say, all I had to do was turn the computer on and off, apparently.

But I was in such a frenzy, and your tech team was so patient with me.

But it would have been really goddamn cute because I was shooting a film.

We were having our wrap party on the roof,

and the lead actor was like, you're not getting away with this.

And so he had brought, in the middle of what would have been our podcast,

he brought, it was Daniel Craig who was going to bring,

like force me to answer the door and get a glass of champagne during our podcast, which would have been real goddamn cute. For the Crossing Jordan movie? Yes.
We were shooting it in Serbia. It's a long story, Will, but Daniel Craig's in it.
Does Jill Hennessy have anything to do with the... I shouldn't have said it.
I know. The Crossing Jordan movie everybody's been waiting for.
Names and faces. Faces and names.
All right, Nat, haven't you done some light hanging with Mr. Bond? Daniel Craig, I did years ago.
We went to a Super Bowl party and then he said, let's go to... Hey, wait a second.
Will, did you just wake up from a nap? Look at the back of your head again. Hang on a second.
I did. I did.
Did you really? I did. I did.
That's why he's on fire. Listener, it's three o'clock on a Monday and Will just got up.
I like that. Can you tell me something, Will? Yeah.
Me too. You did, right? You guys are the worst.
You guys, I'm going to shake it up for you. It really is.
And I appreciate you doing this at a three o'clock on a Monday. Okay, let's get back to Serbia.
I want to go to Serbia.

How was shooting in Serbia?

Quick trip.

You're in Serbia with D. Craig.

What was it?

It was Knives Out.

We did some stuff there from the second Knives Out.

Oh, great.

Right.

And third, right?

Just the second.

But there's two and three, right?

But there's going to be a third, yeah.

You get killed in the second one?

There we go.

Spoiler alert.

We got it.

I love that movie.

So, Catherine, you get shot or knifed.

You get knifed, probably, in the second one. But just blown up in the trunk of a car.
No. Why are they shooting in Serbia? I can't say anything.
No, Jason, what are you doing? By the way, in Australia, it's called That's Not a Knives Out. That's Not a Knife.
That's Not a Knife. This is a knife.
Yeah. All right.
So so you're in part two, but not in part three.

I mean, I, yeah. You don't know.

We don't know. They haven't contacted you yet.
But you know, they do a new cast

for every, I guess, Knives Out.

So, except for Daniel. Daniel's the one

connecting. Ah, right.

But you're tech avail, LA.

Listen, I will tell them I'm

tech avail. Means technically available.

Put a different wig on her. Who knows? How did you like

working in Serbia? Serbia, let me, this is what I'll tell you about. I loved Serbia.
However, I, if, I'm not like, I don't really, I haven't been eating much meat lately. If you like day old cheese poured over deer.
Sure. Serbia.
Is your place. Is your place.
Served to you by a guy in a Sergio Takini tracksuit, that, right? Oh, my God, which are so rad. And let me tell you, I got a couple from my son, and he is wearing them proudly.
I can serve you this food, or also I might have a piece under here, too. Also, there's a lot of, like, at baggage claim, people just full-on smoking cigarettes inside, just waiting for their luggage sure in in the airport i mean they smoke

in the elevator in serbia i think yeah oh yeah for sure bless them for sure but um it is but it's

actually like a gorgeous like really beautiful really beautiful graffiti um will and i will and

i were went to istanbul turkey once and when we got off the plane and in the airport they put i

don't know why they put us on that little truck that drives you through the airport in the sea of

And I'm not exaggerating a million people yeah like beep beep coming through did you guys look particularly bloated when you got off the plane or something why they put you on the truck i don't know wait no not everybody's worried about bloat 24 7 and they'll put people on an ambulatory golf cart. Is it about the bloat? All right.
So, Catherine, back to you. How long were you in Serbia for? Not that long.
We were in Greece for a big chunk of it, which was the best, which was awesome. That was like the beginning of the summer.
And that's heaven, and I'd never been there before. And I literally got there, and I felt like immediately, I was like 67 years old, just like with an overall strap off.
I was just like, I was like, I was Mamma Mia city. I loved it so much.
In Greece. I was so into it.
I was like, you leather up the skin. Like, I was so down.
I loved it. What part of Greece were you in? There's some great spots in Greece.
Yes, we were in a really off the beaten path, kind of like three hours north, or I guess maybe, I guess it was more, it was like three hours outside of Athens. It kind of felt like the big, like the big syrup.
So you're coming off the main highway. Catherine, you think our listener doesn't know?

They don't know shit about anything.

Are the people dumb enough to listen? I love your listeners.

I'm one of your goddamn listeners.

Tracy's got, how did she get so dumb, Sean?

Tracy, I'm with you.

I'm pleased to hear you.

She's part of the fruit bowl.

Why are they so cruel to you?

We love Tracy.

We love her.

It was like, we took little air,

we took little taxis to like Spetsis or Hedra were islands we visited. We never went to like the party islands.
Did the kids or Ethan make it out there? Yeah, they were with me the whole time. Come on.
Oh, that's nice. Yeah, and then Leonard and Ethan went, they went home early so they could, you know, Leonard could have his first like the camp, sleepover camp.
How's that going? 15 for him, right? Is that what you said, 15? Yeah, it's good. Actually, like, much better than middle school.
I don't know if you feel the same, but I feel like a cloud, like, lifted. Middle school is tough.
Middle school is rough. Yeah.
It's rough. I'm glad that Franny missed the bulk of that.
She missed seventh and eighth. And I think, aren't they both in the same class? They're the same class Yeah, exactly Yeah Middle school Or what Jason calls High school, right? It was the same Or just the end Middle school Yeah Or not even Almost made it Is what I call high school No, Jason, don't you dare Well, listen I was busy Chasing my passion You were earning Yeah, I was doing Some 50s dance in Teen Wolf 2.
Somebody said, hey, here's your diploma. And Jason said, what do I need a diploma for? And he sped off in a 9-11, you know.
It all went downhill. Catherine, listen, I want to talk to you about your start and everything because I'm really interested in that and you grew up.
Let's get the interview started. It's 20 minutes in already.
I know. By the way, Sean is our top interviewer on this program.
Oh, I know. I love your podcast, by the way.
Because you've got the world's greatest host on it. It is the worst.
say it's the worst. Sean, here he comes.
Here comes one of his award-winning questions. Oh, God.
How old were you when you started to act? Did your parents want you to get started in it? How do you memorize all those lines? Don't start. Catherine, you know, the three of us host this thing, and the nice folks at iHeartRadio gave us a few nominations for their annual podcast recognition.
Yes, they should have. And they singled out young Sean P.
Hayes for host of the year. Yeah.
The worst part is that Sean sent us the article. Oh, he did.
And I didn't read it. Under the caption of, good for us.
Good for us. Exclamation point.
And then Will said, sounds like good for you. And he goes, oh, I didn't read it all.
I didn't read it. I really didn't read it.
Sean. Yeah, isn't that hilarious? And I'm like, check out the pictures of these Emmys.
Oh, I didn't know I sent that. All right, so how'd you get started was the question, right, Sean? So how early? No, no, I want to know.

Hang on one second.

I actually have a question.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

So when you were, you come from a family where there's three kids, and we kind of ask these

questions a lot because I'm interested.

I was the youngest of five.

A lot of people who are the youngest of siblings feel they need the attention for the actor.

But you were the oldest of three, which is rare.

So what gives?

So what?

Yeah.

What's with the freak show in your life?

Yeah, hey, weirdo.

Yeah.

Too much of a big shot to stick around

and be an example for the young kids, huh?

You have to get out of there.

Sorry, Catherine, go ahead and finish swallowing your drink.

Oh, my God.

We almost got our first take.

Almost. So even though you were the oldest, why did you get into showbiz? I'm actually interested in that question.
I love you. Me too.
I, you know, I was, I grew up going to Catholic school. Mm-hmm.
It was more of like a cultural thing for us than anything else. It was like the cheapest private school, to be honest.
And every Saturday, I would take classes at the Cleveland Playhouse, which has now kind of been mostly taken over by Case Western, the big hospital down there. But it was just like the most.
I thought you were going to say mostly taken over by kangaroos or something. It's been mostly...
No, it's been overrun by kangaroos. What? Yeah, no, I know.
It's a long story. That's exactly what I was thinking too, Sean.
Yeah, thanks. She almost said kangaroos.
Catherine, please just go ahead. Please go on.
God's so silly today. It's because it's later.
I love a matinee, guys. Yeah, the matinee is yielding real fruit.
Turns out the matinee is the only way to do it. Okay, so the kangaroos are in the gym.
What a clown show this is. What a...
So far we can't use any of that. None of it's usable.
We're 25 minutes in. Okay.
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Okay, my first big job. I played Salty the Psalm book.
Yes. And I played a psalm book at the church.
It was like I wore a cardboard box and they painted it to look like a psalm book. No, Kevin.
And I kind of stood in the middle of the church. Wow.
And I would dance around and it was like, apparently it's a thing that they do in churches. I thought that it was just like a singular, you know, that we had written it for our, you know, for St.
Anne's, but apparently, like, it goes,

it's something that is in a lot of different, like,

fundamental churches throughout the country.

But I played Salty. Sean, you're familiar with this?

No, not that.

P-S-A-L-T-Y.

Pasalty.

Oh, I get it.

Pasalty, the Pasalm book.

Pasalm book.

And you felt like you nailed that particular piece such that you—

No, I had a lot more to learn, Jason Bateman.

Did you end up doing Psalm Like It Hot? Did you guys ever do that? I mean, something's gotta give. And this guy cannot get a nomination.
It's unbelievable. Now that's high level shit right there.
Hey, Hayes, you couldn't come within a mile of a joke like that. No, absolutely not.
I say kangaroos and it kangaroos and it goes to cricket. Catherine, keep talking.
I want to know, you went back to, you went to Northwestern. From kangaroos to crickets, the Sean Hayes story.
It's just stupid. This is my favorite.
It's the worst. Okay, so Catherine, wait a minute.
I can't tell you. You have to fire your publicist after this, Catherine.
No. So wait, you went to...
Then I went to the Cleveland Playouts, and I just took classes. I was called a curtain puller there.
But I didn't actually... Apparently, back in the day, they used to be able to pull the curtains.
This is going to be such a boring story. No.
But then I didn't get to. Well, walk us through it.
Okay, wait. And then you went to Northwestern.
I know so many people that went to Northwestern University. It seems like so many famous people come out of there or went there, right? Did you love it there? Jumping forward to Northwestern.
Sorry. Yeah.
Okay. That was about a 15-year jump, but I'm with it.
Go ahead. Please.
Sorry. The job, she didn't get to pull the curtain, Jason.
Right, right, right. And then we went to Northwestern.
Unless you got another, what other jobs have you not gotten? Okay, listen. I played, listen, in the middle there, in the middle there, I did Hickory Hideout.
Yes, Hickory Hideout was the first, it was your puppet show. How old were you when you did that? I was in fourth grade to sixth grade, and it was at our local news station, and we shared the space, so they would like, it was the treehouse was always in the corner, and then on Saturdays when they weren't doing the evening news, they would just roll out the treehouse.
I got to see footage of that. And it was me and two squirrels named Nutso and Shirley Squirrely and an owl puppet named Noah Owl.
I love that joke. And I played a character named Jenny, and I would knock on the treehouse, and we would ask Nutso and Shirley.
That sounds like a hoot. Nutso, beautiful.
Now they're, hey, who's in the game now? Good for you, Sean. Look who's thrown his hat in the ring.
You know who will watch that? You know who will watch that? Owl. Oh, my God.
Somebody just passed you. Boy, did you see him go by you there, Will?

Boy, he's hitting for the cycle right now.

That was unbelievable.

Wait till he gets to buy at the end of the episode.

Barely keep up.

Go ahead, Catherine.

So, yeah, let's get to Northwestern.

Fuck the treehouse.

You're six years old.

Now you're at Northwestern.

So what happens at Northwestern?

You go to some Wildcat games?

I did not take in one Wildcat game, but I met my husband. There we go.
Oh, that's nice. My then boyfriend, now husband.
How'd that go? Tell me about the first date. Um, God, we...
Hurry, God damn it. Because somebody shot at me real fast.
We... Are you talking about the date? I remember we...
Oh, Jesus.

Sorry, we can cut that.

I'm trying to get in on the quick jokes.

Cut it.

We're going to double it.

Can I get in on the quick jokes?

Double it, you guys.

We were at the cafeteria.

His plate was...

I remember his tray was very neat.

Mine was a disaster

because I wanted to try everything on the buffet.

That sounds like mine.

And he was very neat.

I made a lot of fun of him.

And the rest is history.

Wait, so he was sliding. I honestly want to know this.
So you guys are filling up your tray. You're next to each other in the line there.
Or did you see him sitting alone at a table for one? No, he was not sitting. No, he was not.
Okay, so you're sliding down the thing together. And you start making small talk while you're scooping stuff onto your plate.
No, we had arrived at a table where there were other people sitting, and I was like, Jesus. Because his tray was so anally neat.
And that was not a turn-on, or it was? It was interesting to me because I had to try everything. It was like as if I had never been fed before in my life.
I had piled everything that the cafeteria had offered onto my drink. You wanted to get your money's worth.
Absolutely. Did he have his great hair back then? Great hair.
He's got great hair. Really, really.
Doesn't he have beautiful hair? Beautiful hair. Great hair.
Now, when did you, because this is what I really want to know, you worked at a beauty salon. You've got to have like crazy, awesome, funny beauty salon, like stories.
Was that while you were in college you worked at a beauty salon? It was after college, moved to New York, skipping ahead, worked at a hair salon called Garen, New York, that was out of Henry Bendel. So this was in 95.
Copy. He was like one of those hair, you know, like those hair cutters that were charging like $300 for a haircut.
And you were like. Where was it? Where was the.
What? I know that name, Harry. Where was his.
Henry Bendel, it used to be on Fifth Avenue. It was like a very fancy little.
Yeah, very fancy. I remember it.
It was like a, like Bergdorf's was right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And were you assisting this hairstylist? Not a hair cutter. God, they don't like to be called that.
I was the receptionist. Okay.
My cousin George gave me the job. Okay.
My cousin George gave me the job. Would you dabble with nails or hair or anything? No.
In fact, I wore the same Banana Republic suit there like every day, so much so that it turned like shiny because I had to dry clean it so much. Do you know like how you like? Oh, yeah, yeah.
All the dudes got together to get me a Mason Pearson hairbrush for like the holidays one year because they were like, brush your hair. Because I was such a disaster working at the front desk.
Because I would literally be like, I remember they would kind of try to experiment on me like Sweet Garen gave me like Ann Bancroft like skunk stripes and Ethan. We had been living in like a one room fifth floor walk up near Scores.
So like on the east side. I don't know where that is.
Right, right. It's a sports club, right? Anywhere near names and faces.
Names and faces. Faces and names.
So because Sean jumped in, you and Ethan, you meet in the line at the cafeteria and all of a sudden now you're living in New York together. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sean. What? Because he just wants to hear about stories about people crapping their pants at the salon.
But you know what I mean? Like, let's. No, you know where I'm going with this.
I want to know about theater in New York. Yeah, things went well in Northwestern with you and Ethan.
Ethan. And you said, hey, let's go east.
Let's go to New York because I've got a passion for theater. And it seems like you have a passion for hair, Ethan.
So why don't I get a job at a hair salon? No. That, we kind of looked in the Village Voice when we were at Northwestern that summer after graduating.
We saw that there was, like, a hotel that was 60 bucks a night, and we were like, great. Got a U-Haul, went, got, saw the hotel, put our stuff in storage, saw the hotel.
It was the Jane Street Hotel. Oh, yeah.
Pre- Pre-cool. Hedwig.
Yeah. So it was like pre-becoming like a hip place.
It was rough. Yeah.
It was like my mom was like, bring flip-flops because she was so afraid I was going to get like planter's warts from the shower. Sounds like me.
And I was like flip-flops because the water, the standing water in the shower was like three inches high. Why would you check into a hotel of 60 bucks a night as opposed to like an apartment for, I don't know, 300, 400 bucks a month? Because we didn't even know the city.
Like we went so blindly, like just like we're going to go there. We're going to stay in this hotel until we find an apartment.
Just dirty hippies. Good with anything.
Like my cousin George is going to get me a job. Ethan's working at.
Like, it's all going to happen. Right.
It was crazy. And did it happen? How fast was it? Did it start happening? No.
So you were auditioning for stuff, I would imagine. It didn't start happening for a really long time.
I mean, I started, I was auditioning, like, you know, I had, like, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off Broadway, you know, that crap, like, that was like, you can do it if you find 12 people to pay to come see it. Right, right, right.
Yeah. And, like...
Then what was the first thing that, like, gave you some money and you were like, okay, I can make a living at this, I no longer have to work the reception desk at the beauty salon? I mean, we started going to Williamstown. I probably did like seven summers there, which was pretty life changing.
Right. Williamstown, they do a lot of theater there.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then I got that doesn't pay. No, it doesn't pay.
In fact, no, it doesn't pay at all. But then I got into Yale, and I went to grad school for acting.
But that also doesn't pay.

Which does not pay, and in fact, I put myself into it.

When you came out, did you get something that was...

I came out with a holding deal.

There it is.

And that's when I got Crossing Jordache, was through...

So a holding deal is when they pay you money so you don't audition anywhere else.

Yeah, they basically own you, which is good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you know, then it was great. It is, yeah.
Well, especially in a fickle business, you get a guaranteed check. It's nice.
So, Catherine, you know, I love horror, theater horror stories, and I know these guys love them too, but they'll say they don't. Sorry.
Horror. You're saying horror.
Okay. And so tell these guys the story about some clinking glasses or something or cheersing something.
Didn't you have a horror theater story about in a scene, somebody was cheersing? No? Didn't you, Catherine, you got something about there's a cheers story. Didn't you have a clink glass or something? Funny stuff? Go stuff go fuck you're not going to win it Sean they're listening right now the people making their decisions you have one Sean you have it's been narrowed down to five people now can you believe what I deal with it's just you against we're just jealous that Sean got one I was in a place yeah come on guys it's the host of the year it hurts it does Okay.
We're just jealous that Sean got... I was in a play...
Yeah, come on, guys. It's the host of the year.
I'm sorry. It's bitterness.
It hurts. I know.
It does. Okay.
It was... I was in a play with...
I was in... My one and only Broadway play was called Boeing, Boeing.
Oh, yeah. I remember that.
It was... Do you? Well, I remember not buying...
I remember going, nope. Oh! Yeah, yeah, not buying tickets to it.
You know? But promise is promise is... Yes, yes.
Yes, yes. No, no, no.
All jokes are sad. I remember going, nope.
Oh! Yeah, yeah, not buying tickets to it. But promise is promise is yes, yes, yes, yes.
No, no, no. All jokes aside, I remember when that was yes on Broadway.
So that was your first, that was your one and only. That was a big hit.
My first and only, but the cast was like crazy. It was Mark Rylance and Whitford and Mary McCormick.
That was a big show. Christine Baranski.

It was a great experience.

And it was like a farce.

Matthew Warkis directed it.

It was like a big old farce.

And I think that's what you mean.

Like we had to cheers each other every night.

And so I just always did.

Like there were so many times I did it with such force. Like poor, like fucking Mark would be so annoyed at me.

And then I had to do this thing where I flashed him every night. So from the audience's perspective, they just saw, like, the towel.
And they just saw his reaction. But then we all wanted to just make Mark break because he was such an easy laugh.
No, like, he's such an easy laugh. It was hilarious.
So, like, one night I would just, like, take Bradley Whitford's headshot and and I cut it into a triangle and I just taped it down there.

We would just do the stupidest crap to try to make him laugh.

And then he would just like lean into it.

So like our stage manager would be like, okay.

Like it would, the show, the duration time would be like 20 minutes longer.

Screwing around time.

I mean it would be like, depending on how the audience was it would just it was hilarious all mark but he's like i love that you know he's a shaman i think i think he's so gifted actor's actor so an actor's actor do you so uh this is gonna this is not a great question and a tough one i'll bet you but your star your star is rising with a bullet. And I'm sure that all, you know, they want you to continue to be the funniest thing on screen and steal all the scenes and stuff.
But then you're also getting these parts probably that are maybe even the lead on something where it's not always maybe that funny. and are you battling sort of the decision between like, do I continue to take these parts where I can really score or do I take these larger parts that I less score but I'm in more of it? And like, are you strategizing about your future, what kind of stuff you want to do? I mean, I don't know.
This is why I don't get nominated for fucking hosting. Oh, stop it.
But I mean, I've always like... Go ahead.
Did I say any of that out loud? You guys. After I was done with the question, did you hear me talking at all? Unfortunately, the question was out loud.
It's an awesome question. I mean, I feel like I've been able to do some stuff that's kind of lands in the middle of all of it.
So that's the kind of stuff that I'm the most attracted to anyway. So if it happens to be a lead, it happens to be a lead.
But it also can be supporting. You know, Catherine, you're in this sort of elite group of actors.
And I put you in there a lot of, and it's not that big of people. You're always, always, always good.
No matter what the thing is. Yes, in every single thing you do.
You're like John Goodman in that way. You're like, it's a very small...
Oh my God, that is the most flattering comparison. Yeah, like Meryl Streep, like all those people.
But no, you're always good. And you're not going to phone it in like a Bateman or a Hayes.
You're going to deliver every time, you know? No, you're going to phone it in like an Arnett. An Arnett phone it in.
I want to just a little bit more about the career stuff because I think you're such a fascinating actress. And I think you, do you feel now that you're finally getting the attention you deserve? Sure, you're always working, but now you're kind of more in the spotlight than ever.
It feels like from my perspective, from someone who watches your work and admires you, it just seems like finally, like I've been a life fan, but I feel like finally the press is catching up to you. Do you feel that as well? I mean, WandaVision was nutso.
Like, that was crazy. Yeah.
I've never experienced anything like that, so that was bonkers. Yeah.
And it was certainly, it's interesting because it was certainly not the thing that I thought would have been the thing. You know, you just never freaking know.
Yeah, it's massive. But it seems like people are finally taking notice in the best way.
And I don't know, from my perspective, at least. Do you have something when you're working, do you have a big pet peeve about the process or the way that things are getting made that you just don't adhere to? You're just like, you know what? That really doesn't work for me.
I mean, I do. Like, I guess it would be like in the hair and makeup trailer when someone comes in and is doing like a voice memo really loudly that everyone else has to shut up for.
Right. It's always really freaking annoying.
Or just walking in on a FaceTime. It's just kind of like, guys, you can step outside.
Like, now the whole trailer has to be kind of quiet. It's always a little...
And also, just pick up your clothes. Like, and maybe that comes from the theater, but I'm always like, hang your freaking costumes up.
Like, it's not that big of a freaking deal. I agree I agree with that.
Hang on. Are you sharing a trailer with somebody? Do you need a better representation? No.
We always share trailers. I mean, can Aline negotiate you at least a triple banger or something? Yeah, but our triple bangers are just it's just one long car and then we're all just kind of bouncing around.
That was the other title of our podcast was Triple Banger. Triple Banger.
It would have been good. Don't you think in general, though, FaceTimes need to happen when you're alone? You can't, if you're in a group of people, you cannot use FaceTime, right? Isn't that imposing on other people's space? Because I also feel like naturally the human voice gets louder when we're on FaceTime.
Right. And it's just like a little bit performative.
Yeah. And then when other people are around, yeah, I'm with you.
I'm with you. I don't want to be a part of your conversation.
You probably are not with me on this, but I hate phones on sets. Yeah, well, of course.
I do too. Who likes it? Well, but to sort of fill the gaps in between when you're working and not working? You should not because I think it takes you out of it.
And I used to try to institute a rule and said like, no, because now you look around and if everybody's there, you look at everybody in every department. Where's the small talk? Where's everybody hanging out together? Like we got to be making an, you know, whatever ensemble.
Go back to either go back to your trailer or just like hang out. It.
Right. It feels like.
It bumps me out sometimes.

I agree.

But, Catherine, if there was a no phone rule on set,

do you think that you'd be great about generating,

maintaining all of that small talk?

Are you good at small talk?

Are you a sociable person?

I am good at, like, leaving when I need to

and coming back when I need to.

Like, I go to my trailer for lunch and recharge.

Yep.

You know.

Do you nap at lunch ever?

Did you ever nap?

Really good at a power nap.

Same.

We just did it before you came on.

Will, didn't Barry Sonnefeld teach you how to nap on set?

Yeah, he told me one day after coming back from lunch, he was like,

you had a nap, didn't you?

I go, how do you?

He goes, I can tell by your face is puffy.

And he goes, you got a nap sitting up.

And I was like, thanks a lot.

Ten years later. Meanwhile, he's like, all right, let's start shooting.
I'm like, I'm not going to shoot with this face. Are you crazy? Nap sitting up like a cow.
Let's do my angle last. Anyway, I do.
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Catherine, other than your beautiful family,

how do you balance life from work?

Do you have, like, hobbies and stuff like that?

Hmm.

Sean, did you just give up?

Mm-hmm.

You know why? You know why? Why? Because I'm sweating my balls off. Are up? Mm-hmm.
Yep. You know why?

You know why?

Why?

Because I'm sweating my balls off.

Are you?

Hi, honey.

It's hot in there.

Oh, my God.

It's so hot.

And Scotty's not in here.

Oh, you're in New York, right?

You're in New York.

Oh, go up and change it. Don't.

You have to suffer.

Get up and change the thermostat.

This is incredible.

Okay, while he's gone.

Do you have any hobbies?

While he's gone.

No, he's putting a bad guy down on down. Sean, go do it.
Go adjust it. Sean, go adjust it.
I just did it. What was it at? What was the thermostat at? 75.
75? What are you going, monster? I'm like drenched. Sweating my balls off.
Hey, do you have any hobbies? You like it cold over there, Catherine?

Yeah, we keep it a little chilly over here.

Not gonna lie. I love it.

We do. Sean, let's get back

to your hobby question. Yeah, so

let me ask it a different way. So, Catherine,

you know, other than your beautiful

family, how do you fill the time

in between gigs? Because I'm always looking

for great ideas. Okay.

Thanks, Sean. Catherine? Thanks, Sean.
Catherine? I mean, listen, between gigs it is mothering and existential crisis until the next gig. Yeah, alright.
Right. Catherine, I'm sorry about this.
It's just, if we didn't like you and know you so well, we'd actually have a decent interview here, but we don't want to do a decent interview. We want to fuck around with our panel.
Let's just fuck around, guys. It's fine.
It's a rainy Monday. I love you.
I'm so grateful that Sean, you asked me to do it. Well, listen.
Catherine, talk, I want to know. Let's get to five questions.
I think we're at about three questions. Let's get two more good quality questions.
Here's what I want to know. Here's what I want to know about you.
I want to know about your sensibility. What is your favorite film of all time? Do you have like a film or like a sort of an area that you like that you go- A touchstone.
Yeah. What lit your fuse? I would say- And don't be cool.
And don't be cool. And don't be like- Das Boot.
Yeah. By the way, Das Boot's a great film.
Is it? Das Boot is a great movie, but also intense. I mean, I would say, I mean, listen, Woman Under the Influence is an incredible movie, but I also love E.T.
Great. I love E.T.
That's a great answer. A little bit of the both.
That's a great answer. And when you were a kid, who would you watch? You watch movies and TV and go, God, I'd kill to have her career.
I'd kill to be just like her. Oh, Terry Garr.

Nice call.

There you go.

I just watched Tootsie last night.

By the way,

you've nailed it.

But you've nailed it.

Do you know that I have,

independent of ever knowing

that you said that,

I've referenced you as Terry Garr

a thousand times.

Is that true?

Are you serious?

On my kid's life.

Both of them.

Yep.

That's crazy. Boy, you're real quick to put stuff on your kid's life.
I've noticed that. Because you've said it a few times.
And Catherine. Wait, Sean, you just watched Tootsie recently.
I just watched Tootsie last night. Did it hold on? Oh, my God.
It's one of the best movies of all time. It's like one of the best movies.
It's flawless. It's a perfect movie.
But getting back to my earlier dumb question, now Terry Gard didn't really have a lot of lead roles in her life, did she? No, but again, like- Do you want that, I guess is my question. Yes, I mean, of course.
Like, I also love, like, Gina Rowland's, forget it, forget it. Yeah, right.
Are there any roles that you get offered and because of their, like, maybe they lean towards more obvious, they lean towards, like, the sexuality of a woman and you're just like, God, I don't want to do those things. Like, is there stuff you turn down right away? No, I think I've done it all.
Like, I mean, I've definitely done like all, like I've, you know, I've been afforded in this weird chapter, like post kids. I've been able to do some like juicy, tell some juicy stories that have not been just like, you know, like, you know, there's this movie I did called Private Life, which I'm like crazy, super proud of.
It's me and Giamatti. And it's like- Yeah, Paul Giamatti, what was that like? How was he? He was great.
I love him. I think my favorite experience, and it's about a couple that's like, it's Tamara Jenkins.
And it's a couple that's going through like their, it's not, it doesn't sound funny, but it's funny. The couple going through their IVF journey, but it's like really funny.
and it's a couple that's going through like their, it doesn't sound funny, but it's funny.

The couple going through their IVF journey,

but it's like really funny and it's also horribly heartbreaking.

Right.

And like, you know,

I Love Dick was something that was like a different,

like a whole different like, you know.

Keep it to the movies.

Keep it to the movies you like.

Okay, we're not going into general likes.

We're not going to go into general likes.

I'm just saying things that I enjoy.

Jesus Christ.

My poor children.

But like, so yeah,

I'll see you next time. Okay, we're not going into general likes.
We're not going to go into general likes. I'm just saying things that I enjoy.
I know. Jesus Christ.
My poor children. But like, so yeah, I mean, of course, I'm attracted to like the, that, there's nothing that I'm like, if it's an interesting story and whatever.
How are you managing all of this work though with, I know you love your husband and your Like you, but you say they went to Serbia with you. They did not go to Serbia.
They went to Greece. Then they, then I was gone for a little bit and then I came home and now it's like nothing.
I'm here. I mean, you know how, I mean, you know how it is.
It's like, you're gone for a chunk. Right.
But the ratio, like, I don't think I've, I've, have you guys declared the ratio that you're going to spend away from home versus at home? I mean, I guess we can't really, right? You just kind of go from job to job. Yeah.
Yeah, but you know what sucks? It turns out they need you the more, the older they get. I know it.
Yeah. They need you around.
And yet, the older they get, the harder it is for them to travel with you because they're involved with their social continuity and their educational, you know, consistency and all of that stuff. Yeah.

So it's like really big, big, everyone is a big decision now for sure.

Cause of all that stuff.

What about dream role? Is there something that you've always wanted to play and you just haven't got a

chance yet?

Or are you like, I want to play this.

I guess I'm going to have to write it for myself cause it'll never be offered

to me.

Anything like that?

I mean, I guess like, you know, I guess there's just a woman nancy reagan nancy reagan yeah nancy reagan everyone's list yeah yeah yeah very complex i'm gonna be allowed to but i really would love to play nancy reagan there we go but i think i you know like any a woman like just as she's aging. Like, in the juicy complexity of it is to be a person in a

woman's body that's getting older and older and older like i you know if i could continue to have those parts to show like that's great to hear all the nooks and crannies of right yeah because as we age we get to play more interesting characters where some actors think oh god as i get older all the good parts are gone or they're not going to hire me as much because i'm getting older well it's actually where all all the good parts are that's what i have found in my career oddly is the more interesting my life has been post 40 right which is like i really think i want to tell these young actors that are panicked like you just never freaking know like all the society was telling like, once you have kids, you're done. Like, especially as a woman.
Like, you're done. Right.
But that's old thinking, though. That doesn't exist at most point.
That's old thinking. You know, I used to have an acting teacher who used to say he hated child actors.
He's like, what do they have to draw on? They have no experience. These people, they're boring.
They have no. And it's the same thing with young, a lot of young characters.
Who gives a shit? You know what I know what I mean now of course that's saying that as a guy who's getting older who's a middle aged guy who still plays 30 but like you know that's my you know barely and you know who's an icon for the young people but right no right right right and I could go on and on and on we got it what do you think the youngest Will Arnett could play Catherine be honest and be kind No, you don right, right. And I could go on and on.
No, you're not. So we got it.
What do you think the youngest Will Arnett could play, Catherine? Be honest. And be kind.
No, you don't have to be kind. Be honest.
No, no. I mean, let's really be honest here.
What is he? I'll start. We'll go around.
It'll be my turn, then we'll go for each of us. No, we're not going to start with you.
In fact, I don't even think you get to respond to this. I would honestly say I could honestly cast you as a 32-year-old guy.
Come on. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
What? I was going to say that. I was going to, I was to be totally honest, I was going to say 36.
Yeah. Now, not, I don't, I just want to be honest because we were talking about that before.
This is the greatest day of my life. I would say all four of us could play in our 30s.
Could we not? Are we nuts? No, I don't know. Are we nuts? I mean, listen, I've seen 50-year-old people.
Yeah. And I don't, they look a lot older than you will.
Thank you. Do you know what's interesting? Remember the show The Golden Girls? Yeah.
They were all, weren't they all, I'm going to get this wrong, God bless. Weren't they all in their 50s, but we were made to believe they were older than that? Or were they in their 40s even maybe? Come on.
I wish there was a way

we could find out information quickly.

Guys, I've got a computer over here. You want to hold on

a second? I want to find that out.

Hey, Catherine, let me ask you

the last great question. Have you

done an interview worse than this? They're in their 50s.

Have you ever been

interviewed by three dumber,

less prepared... I have never done an interview

that has been more entertaining and charming.

None less interesting.

And just vague.

Yeah.

Vague.

That's what we're going to call this.

Completely vague.

Yeah, that's what it is.

And just charming as hell.

There's no beginning, there's no middle, there's no end.

Which I love.

It's kind of like life.

Yeah.

You know, this was just a slice of life.

Yeah.

Big finish, Sean.

Big finish.

What's your best question on the list right there?

No, I don't need any more questions because she's going to come visit me in my apartment in New York City. Is that true? And I can ask her.
I'm going to make her. And I'm going to ask her questions without these two knobs.
Maybe we'll go to names and faces. But what about for Tracy? One last good one for Tracy.
One last good one for Tracy. She's very disappointed in this interview.
And she really wants to end it. Tracy, don't be disappointed, Tracy.
It's a lot of fun. Give her one more, Sean.
We're having a lot of fun. This was a rainy, cozy...
Here's one that I love. Here's one that I ask often because I'm always interested.
Kids want to do what mom does or no? No. Or dad.
Oh, actually, my son. Oh, my God.
You guys, I almost just burped right in the microphone you almost threw up on the mic I almost made myself laugh when the paper was over at the very beginning because I was like what if I just had cut the loudest fart while you guys were just doing it if you had laughed with your tiny little snort I would have known exactly who it is there it is but my son wants to as of right now he's really into film he in a film class. He's really into it.
It's a lot of psychological horror going on. Yeah.
Can I ask you a question? And this is going to seem somewhat serious. What drew you to the cinema? Just to finish this off.
Catherine, thank you for your time today. I'm sorry.
Somebody needs to be. Sean, Sean.
No, that's it. So, Catherine, listen.
You guys, I just, I don't want to think ahead, but I feel like this is your submission for next year's podcast. Absolutely.
This is going to get Will and I in the conversation, I think. We're that part of the conversation.
This is going to be the submission. Thank you for the time in your garage that you gave us.
Hopefully, they let you back in the house. Get back to framing more posters.
Sure. Sorry, what is the turnaround on a poster? Like just a regular poster size? If I bring it in.
If I get it in the mail, it's good. Okay, because if I do a curbside, if I do a curbside drop-off, can I get same day? Can I get same day? Really? Three hours.
Plastic or glass. Wow.
Does it matter? I prefer plastic. Sure.
Got it. It's better better for the environment it's a little tacky um Catherine Catherine I can't do another hour I know our audience couldn't but I could I know I love you guys so much thank you so much yeah thank you so much there was nothing about this hour that I didn't love other than you can't get it back you're a mega a mega talent.
You are a mega talent and we worship you. Worship back.
Thank you so much for all of this. Mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah.
Mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah. Okay.
Bye, sweetie. Robin Bennett, do I stay on? Flip it.
No, you slam your laptop closed. Bye.
I'm finding you all. Bye, Catherine.
Love you. Bye.
You know what? If you're a fan of the show, if you listen to the show and then you come on the podcast, feel free at the end of the interview to just slam your laptop shut. Yeah.
Because we will have newfound respect for you. Yeah, that's the move.
It's the mic drop. That's the power move, right? Just slam it shut.
But what if you're on a desktop? You walk away. You just get up and walk away.
Just get up and walk away. Cut the power to your house.
Stick your gum back on your camera. Go outside and just cut the power.
Guys, I have to. Sean, listen.
I think that might have been one of our worst interviews. Yes.
Because we just wouldn't get on track. I was trying.
I've got to blame you for that. No, no.
It's your guest. You've got to keep us on the rails.
Was it our fault? You feel like it was our fault. No, no.
A little bit. But listen, I think that it was also, I think it was a Monday matinee.
We were all a little giddy. Plus, then you get the fourth giddiest person on the planet.
I know. So we all had a really good time.
It was probably, not definitely not our worst. It was probably our most silliest, which is more fun than that.
Let me tell you, this is what it's like working with her. Have you guys worked with her yet? No, I have not had the pleasure.

You just can't get anything done because it's just too much fun hanging out with her.

You don't want to get serious and say,

okay, okay, hold it, hold it, okay, okay.

Now let's, rolling, please.

Yeah, but I really have been such a fan for a long time.

I've seen almost everything she's done

and I've always kind of felt like we'd be friends

because she's so-

I was just going to say that.

I don't have a lot of female friends,

but if I could count three, she would be one of them.

Why do you think that is?

I don't have a lot of female friends, but if I could count three, she would be one of them. Why do you think that is? I don't know.
I do. Why? Uh-oh.
Why? Here it comes. Because I think that your personality is kind of grating.
Okay. No, no, listen.
Don't let him keep going, Sean. No, no, that was it.
That's a full stop. Oh, there wasn't a qualifier on that? Especially towards women.
It's grading towards women. Oh.
Men tolerate it. Sorry, I should have said that.
Towards women. I think women find your personality.
So you're saying the reason I don't have a lot of female friends is because they don't want to be friends with me. Exactly.
Because of your personality. I thought I had a choice.
Got it. Okay.
You know what I say to that? That's not true. By the way, that's not true.
Is it at a level that I could maybe, could I work on it? Or am I, is it a little too heavy? That's not for us to answer. Work on your personality.
You've been working on it for 52 years, pal. Sorry.
It's not working. I mean, what are you going to do now? Okay now okay you know no i will say this you have a lot of you do have a lot of female friends that's not true you have katherine yes but i mean like like like close tight like just call them up like here's how my day's been going kind of thing well like i have as you know you do my wife's one of them Your wife is one of my close friends, and she's a female,

and she and I talk on the phone or FaceTime often.

Right.

I am, I love Amanda,

I am friends with both sexes because I am non-threatening.

That's not, one of my favorite things that Sean does,

and he likes to do this a lot at dinner.

He does this a lot at Jen's, because Jen often has candles on the table, as we know, for dinner. Sean will go, he'll pick up one of the candles and he goes, which way is the bathroom? He protects the candle like an old time.
Like I'm Scrooge. Like, yeah.
Which way is the bathroom? And he walks like as if he's going through like a haunted mansion. Oldest bit in the world.
Or I'll pick up literally any purse that a woman left behind. I'll pick it up and go, I'm running to Ralph's.
Anybody need anything? Remember we were at this dinner and Tyke showed up and he had that, he had like Joseph's Technicolor coat and it was really, a lot of colors and stuff like that. And he came in and he put it on the chair.
And then Sean and Scotty got up to leave like 20 minutes later and all of a sudden Sean comes in the room and he, Sean's wearing it. He goes, anyway, guys.
And Taika goes, hang on a second. And he goes, and Sean goes, I came with this.
I walked in with this. He kept going, I walked in with this.
He's a nice guy, Taika Waititi. Gosh, he's talented.
Anyway, Catherine Hahn. Let me just say, Sean, thank you for getting Catherine on the show.
Yeah, you're welcome. She is one of those just mega wattage talents.
And I meant that she is always so good. It's so true.
And you know what? Like you said, there aren't a lot of actors out there that it doesn't matter what the material is, if the material is great or it's just kind of not so great. She always shines in everything.
I couldn't agree with you more. And I think she's just hilarious she really is she just sparkles and a really and a really really nice person too like a very genuine nice person real family nice talented people work a lot forget working even just hanging out with her it's almost impossible like this interview was tough just getting through because she's so much fun and you just want to laugh and just have a conversation.
Yeah, it's like we were at a restaurant or something. You never want to get serious.
I love it. If she ever had an autobiography, she should call it Honestly.
Uh-huh. Oh, I get it.
I get it. Because her last name's Hon.
And that would be the title of her. Her biography.
Aut autobiography.

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