"Dave Grohl"

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Speaker 2 Spaghetti and meatballs. That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 What about fusilia? What about what about fusilia meatballs?

Speaker 1 No, no, but that falls under the same, that's the same category. It's just pasta.
No, I'm talking about okay, so

Speaker 1 belly. No, no, no, let's not get into different kinds of pasta.
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Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got a Spider-Man chair. Huh.
He's sitting in a Spider-Man chair. It's Abel's chair because I'm in my new booth and it's not finished yet.
I love how you blame it on the kids.

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Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I'm not happy with my podcast room setup here.

Speaker 2 The couch I'm sitting on is

Speaker 2 it's not comfortable.

Speaker 1 And I feel like. Can I ask you, is your couch from an old house? Is this just like a leftover? It looks like you're in a room that's full of leftovers.

Speaker 1 Like from your college days.

Speaker 2 It is. It is, right? And I'm looking at a Pilates bench, whatever you call it, in front of me.

Speaker 1 Reformer. Reformer.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just feel like it's time to admit that we're going to be doing this for a while, and I ought to untemporary my situation.

Speaker 1 Well, make yourself comfortable. Why wouldn't you

Speaker 1 get something, a scenario that you're happy to go sit in? Well, also, sitting up straight, Jay.

Speaker 1 My posture. I don't want you to hurt your lower back.
Well,

Speaker 2 that's my point. It's impossible to sit up straight in this couch.
And I mean.

Speaker 2 I mean, should I dress for it too? I'm still in my pajamas.

Speaker 1 The dressing is fine. I think it's more, it's the posture.
I think it's, and I think it's making you, it's affecting your mood. Quite frankly,

Speaker 2 a shitty attitude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's making you a shitty attitude because all your organs are crunched up.

Speaker 1 You have to elongate those organs.

Speaker 2 Hey, man, let's keep it classy.

Speaker 1 So let's get on the reformer, and I'm going to come over there.

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Speaker 1 with an S or a Z or a Z.

Speaker 2 Okay, so our guest today. Are you guys ready for one of my great written intros again? They're so funny, guys.

Speaker 1 What happens when you're, do you write these things? How many yummies in are when you write these?

Speaker 2 I don't think I've swallowed them yet, but I'm still sort of picking them out of my teeth.

Speaker 1 Put them in the back of your mouth.

Speaker 2 So this is the ninth draft. Okay, this is how good this intro is.

Speaker 2 Actually, it's only about six minutes old. Our guest today is one of the most popular figures in music, comma, worldwide, period.
Oh.

Speaker 2 He started at the young age of 17 in the band we all know and love.

Speaker 1 Steve Winwood.

Speaker 2 Called Scream. He's now on his third band.
He's been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and is about to be inducted for the second time. Wait, what?

Speaker 2 He's directed numerous videos and a few documentaries. He's been on SNL, Saturday Night Live, Tracy, 14 times.

Speaker 2 He has long dark hair, a great smile, and loves animals, long hikes, and short stories. He's a Capricorn, and don't I know it?

Speaker 2 Because this fella has the exact same birthday and year as yours truly, friends.

Speaker 1 This is Dave Grohl. Dave.
Oh, Dave Grohl.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 2 Bruce, look at that Led Zeppelin book.

Speaker 1 I know they asked for a towel to cover the camera thing. And you dry yourself off with a Led Zeppelin box hat? Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hi, guys.
Hi. Hey, Dave Grol.

Speaker 2 Can that take us right to drumming and my personal favorite, John Bonham? Is he number one for you?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. No question.
Truly? Number one. No question.
No question. No one close.
Okay. Well,

Speaker 1 now, when I say

Speaker 1 the words Neil Purt to you, what does that do to you?

Speaker 2 Well, he's Canadian, so it doesn't really count for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, was he?

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. He was the guy from Rush.
Don't say he was the guy from Rush. You're being the guy who was.
He was the guy from Rush, by the way. He was the guy.
He was a big coy.

Speaker 1 here's the thing pretty tight second a drummer like john bonham sure you have to understand that the thing that defines a drummer is their feel their signature sound it's like their fingerprint right every drummer has a different feel if you have a piece of music and you give it to three different drummers they'll play it three different ways

Speaker 1 personally i think that john bonham was the greatest drummer Not because of his technical proficiency, which was beyond anyone else. Sure.

Speaker 1 Not because of his his big fat feel, which was better than anyone else, but because he was kind of like, he like teetered on the brink of chaos the entire time.

Speaker 1 So he could like lay down a big fat groove. Cashmere, good example.
Yeah, sure. The simplicity.

Speaker 1 But I mean, listen.

Speaker 1 Frankly, when it comes to warmth, nothing beats Cashmere. But I'm sorry, Dave.
I've cut you off.

Speaker 2 You were about to say that John Bonham had a heavy stick, right?

Speaker 1 He had a heavy foot. Yes,

Speaker 1 he was amazing. But here's the thing.
When I was young, I got that 2112 record when I was like about seven or eight years old, right?

Speaker 1 And I was embarrassed to show it to my friends because of Alex Lifeson's camel toe that he had in that particular kimono on the back.

Speaker 1 And I studied that record and I thought it was amazing. But it's...
When you listen to Rush, you kind of listen to how he's playing stuff.

Speaker 1 But with John Bonham, you're listening because you want to know why he's playing it. Yeah, I was going to joke and say why, but you actually said why, and that's interesting.

Speaker 1 A little side note, the boys know I just got back from Canada and on my way back yesterday, I stopped in at Harvey's for a burger. It's a great Canadian chain.
Oh, right on.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. So I was in there.
I was in the, I went in, I had to use the washroom. Is it over here? The washroom.

Speaker 1 And as I'm in there taking a squirt, all I hear is just very, very, very faintly, I just hear. The backsmith and the artist must be the ones deciding.
And I'm like, this, somebody, this is playing.

Speaker 1 It's like the national anthem up there. I know.
And I will tell you this. The first time

Speaker 1 when I was first dating my ex-wife, we went up to meet my folks. The first morning we were in Toronto.
We go to a Starbucks and we're waiting in line. Not a Tim Hortons?

Speaker 2 Not a Tim Hortons.

Speaker 1 It was a Starbucks. And in front of us was

Speaker 1 Getty Lee, right in front of us. And I turned to Amy and I go, every day.
Every day up here is just Getty Lee everywhere. Is that right, A? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So now

Speaker 2 to close the John Bonham thing, Jason Bonham, a tight second, a bronze. Is he in the top five?

Speaker 1 He's, yes? Well, I do believe in the miracle of DNA. Yes.
And that he inherited a lot of his father's

Speaker 1 skills.

Speaker 1 Like when you, when you listen, we were at a studio not too long ago, a couple years ago, and he was down the hall recording.

Speaker 1 And with the door closed, listening to Jason Bonham play,

Speaker 1 it sounded like a guy from Led Zeppelin play in. So you're saying the best way to hear Jason Bonham is to hear him him through a closed door.
I mean, that's not a resounding thing. He didn't say that.

Speaker 1 Not exactly what I said.

Speaker 2 When he plays with

Speaker 2 a group that plays Zeppelin,

Speaker 2 he plays exactly like John did.

Speaker 1 He doesn't improvise.

Speaker 1 It sounds extraordinary.

Speaker 1 Listen, this is all great for these other drivers, but I want to get to you, Dave Grohl, because, look, I have to say, you're a guitarist now, and you're a lead singer, and you're a front man.

Speaker 2 He decided to give the drums to Taylor.

Speaker 1 He gave the drums to the title.

Speaker 1 want the let the baby have it but i will say i mean jesus christ it's pretty rad can we just take a second because you don't probably think about this enough you're dave grohl drummer from nirvana yeah that's crazy and and and and and i i i want to i want to get into everything that you've done since yeah but i want to just say that you're dave grohl from nirvana yeah think about that for a second i want you to enjoy that because that's pretty fucking

Speaker 1 never thought about it before you know i don't think he has you but when i was in college you get this every day of your life. I've never met you.
It's such an honor to meet you.

Speaker 1 I think you're amazing. Thanks, Sean.

Speaker 1 And when I was in college, you know, Nirvana was gigantic. And you know this, that when, you know, music has a special, it penetrates your soul in a certain way that other things don't.

Speaker 1 So a lot of people have a relationship with music that brings them back to when they were in a certain point in their life. And there's not a lot of things that do that.

Speaker 1 So for me, Nirvana was just massive, right?

Speaker 1 Thanks. It's just massive.

Speaker 1 Sorry. But I want to know, because everybody knows you're such a phenomenal drummer and guitarist, is there an instrument that you've always wanted to play that you've never picked up or learned yet?

Speaker 1 My first instrument was a trombone, and I realized that that wasn't cool.

Speaker 1 And then I really started with guitar.

Speaker 1 That was my first instrument. But the one thing I've always wanted to do, which I promised myself I would learn someday, is tap dance.
Are you serious? I'm dead serious. Come over.

Speaker 1 I'll teach you in two seconds. Oh my God, I have the shoes, but I've just never done it.
I have many. I'm scared to wear them in public.
I have the shoes.

Speaker 1 And one of these, I figured that I could implement a lot of my

Speaker 1 drumming skills and my understanding of rhythm into this. I can't dance, but I think I could do it with my feet, like speed, metal, double kick, drum, drumming.

Speaker 1 I'm going to need both of you to sign a release real quick, and I'm coming over too because I'm going to video the whole thing if that would be okay. Yeah.
No, Dave Sagan.

Speaker 1 And we'll both have white claws in our hand. We'll be tap dancing with white claws.

Speaker 1 Why not? Now, okay.

Speaker 2 Now, so, so, so, so, Dave, so, uh, you, you knew how to play the drums.

Speaker 2 Uh, you started with the guitar, but then when you did that first album for Foo Fighters, all by yourself, guys, he played every single instrument. That I did.

Speaker 1 Is that true, Dave?

Speaker 2 That whole first album is nothing but him. And it's stunning.
So, did that come as a result of you just kind of,

Speaker 2 you know, screwing around? Or did you go, I'm going to make an album, I'm going to have a band, I'm going to be the only musician, and I'm going to sing, and here we go.

Speaker 2 Or was it more just sort of like a, well, let's see if I can kind of do this by myself. And if it kind of gets traction, so be it.

Speaker 1 Well, when I was young, I figured out how to multi-track with two cassette players.

Speaker 1 Like when I was like 10 or 11 years old, where you can take one like radio shack cassette player, record guitar onto that, take that cassette and put it into the home stereo, hit play,

Speaker 1 and then put another cassette in the cassette play and play drums along to the guitar. And then you'd have drums and guitar on one cassette.
So I was writing songs about

Speaker 1 fantastic quality.

Speaker 1 I just had a crazy experience when you said when I was young, when I was it reminds me of that lyric in your new song where you're like, when I was a young boy, when I used to have a toy gun, what is that song?

Speaker 1 It's called Waiting on a War. Waiting on a War, which I've listened to a lot because I listened to a lot of UK radio, you guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, because

Speaker 1 that's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 And my buddy Johnny Vaughn plays it a lot on his radio station over there. He's a great guy, very hilarious guy.
Much funnier than these two, Dave.

Speaker 1 And he's available. He plays it a lot, and I love that song.
It's such a, yeah. Have you guys heard it? No, they haven't, but it's such a great song.
I'm sure they have. It's such a great song.

Speaker 1 Dave, can I ask you a question? Hang on. Host of the year has a question.
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Everybody's favorite host.
Go ahead. Wait, what's going on? Sean's everybody's favorite host.
No.

Speaker 1 We just got some eye hards. He definitely talks the least.
Dave, Dave, we just got some eye hards. How do you do it, Sean? Hold on.
I'm talking to Sean. Sean.

Speaker 1 Sean, you and I. Come on.

Speaker 1 I wait for a sliver of an opening and I jump in there. I'm sorry.
No, be good. Dave, how do you like your omelets? I don't know.
Yeah, there it is. Go ahead, Sean.

Speaker 1 Because I've never met you and I'm truly a big fan. I have to ask you, and I apologize because you probably get this a lot, but when you were in Nirvana, I know, hold for it.
He loves Nirvana.

Speaker 1 I just love them. I love you, and I love them so much.
When you were in it and you were first like meeting and creating music and recording together, did you all know you had something special?

Speaker 1 Was there infighting? You're like, this is never going to fucking work out? Like, what were the dynamics? Well, I joined, I met them through a mutual friend.

Speaker 1 I was in a band called Scream, and we came out on, we toured in a van and we toured America, played little clubs and blah, blah blah and we wound up on the west coast our bass player skeeter decided to just go home without telling anyone and we were stuck sounds odd for a guy like skeeter to just i never imagined and it wasn't the first time he'd done it by the way he did it in europe anyway he got his name yeah so uh i gotta skip out of here he so we were stuck in a house in laurel canyon full of mud wrestlers who worked at the hollywood tropicana where in laurel canyon was it it's right next to that house where rick rubin records stuff that like mansion.

Speaker 1 Yes, I know exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 It's directly next door to that. And so our guitar player and singer were brothers, and their sister worked at the Hollywood Tropicana.
So we had a place to crash.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so the skeeter goes home and then this friend of mine says, hey, you know, Nirvana's looking for a drummer. And I'd heard their first record and I loved it.
I thought it was great.

Speaker 1 So he gave me their number and I called him up and they said, actually, we already have a drummer.

Speaker 1 I was like, cool, okay.

Speaker 1 Well, if you come down to L.A., I'm just living in a house full of mud wrestlers and so then they called back that night and said uh maybe you should call kurt and then i got on the phone with kurt and we started talking and he said all right well if you can come up to seattle um let's jam and so i flew up there And yeah, within like two minutes of us playing together, it sounded great.

Speaker 1 Really good. And when you, but sorry, just no, no, go ahead, Will.

Speaker 1 Just to that, like kind of like to Sean's thing, like when you're in that gym recording the video that everybody has seen a million times and you're going to be like

Speaker 1 yeah uh i don't even need to say it smells like teen spirit one of the most iconic songs did you know in that moment you're like we're doing something pretty fucking rad and different here no we were like this is the most spinal tap moment of our entire career are you serious

Speaker 1 yeah i mean because it was like there was like fire machines and a director with a bullhorn like more fire more fire it was like

Speaker 2 it was kind of a little weird when they said okay you you should you should call kurt what was that because you needed to just kind of do like a personality test with him?

Speaker 2 Or did you guys talk drum theory? Was it like an audition type of phone call?

Speaker 1 Well, they had seen our band Scream play and I was the guy with the big drums that would beat the shit out of the drums. And they basically said, like, well, if we could get a guy like that,

Speaker 1 I'm like a disco drummer. I'm a very AC DC, full-on, just like,

Speaker 1 shh,

Speaker 1 shit. And that's what they needed.

Speaker 1 And so,

Speaker 1 and then I just happened to be available. And so when we went up and started playing, also I sang backup vocals, which Kurt was putting on some songs.
And so I could sing that too.

Speaker 1 Was there any joy from Kurt? Like, because every interview, every story, everything I've ever seen is just very heavy and dramatic.

Speaker 1 No, this is a popular misconception about Nirvana that it was a total drag. And it wasn't.
You seemed pretty funny, actually. Kurt was really funny.
He had a really fucked up sense of humor.

Speaker 1 It was really, really funny. And Novicellich, too, the bass player.
I mean, we were like, we were like the Adams family. Like, Nova Selich is six, seven and a half.
Right. You know,

Speaker 2 the unplugged MTV, you could, you could tell you guys had a great sort of fun kind of chemistry. You could tell things were pretty dry and wry.

Speaker 1 Always.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, but I mean, but then there were times that were really difficult because we basically went from sleeping in a squalid little apartment eating corn dogs every day.

Speaker 1 to becoming this thing that people now know as Nirvana in the course of like four weeks or or six weeks. We were kids.
We were like 22, 23 years old.

Speaker 1 So it was really, there were times that it got really difficult. Was that like the middle of 91 when that just first exploded?

Speaker 1 It was September of 91. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 What was the first thing that you bought that you felt like, you know what,

Speaker 2 this is really irresponsible of me.

Speaker 1 The first thing I did, the first check I got was 400 bucks. It was the most money I'd ever had in my entire life.

Speaker 2 From Nirvana stuff?

Speaker 1 Yeah, 400 bucks. I was like, fuck.
And I went to the Fred Meyer, like Kmart store. I bought a BB gun, a Nintendo, and I got a fucking tattoo.
And then I was back to the corn docks.

Speaker 1 Like, I had nothing. I fully MC hammered it within like 24 hours.
Just fucking dropped the whole thing back to the couch in the corn docks. It's good to learn that lesson on the 400 bucks.

Speaker 1 So when the big check comes, you go like, all right, I'm not going to do the BB gun again.

Speaker 1 This is one of the beautiful things about some rock stars. Like you think about someone like Steven Tyler.
Oh my God, that guy's had $10 million and then $10 and then $10 million and then $10.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if he's buying BB guns and fucking Nintendos, but it kind of goes like this. But actually, when we started making real money, my father,

Speaker 1 both of my parents were musicians. My dad was a classically trained flautist and my mother sang in a cappella groups and stuff.
So we love music.

Speaker 1 Anyway, my dad was also, he was a conservative Republican speechwriter on Capitol Hill and a journalist and a campaign manager. And my mom was a public school teacher, like liberal, cool.

Speaker 1 They were very cool. But anyway, so when we first started making money, my dad was like, you know, this isn't going to last, right? And I was like, no,

Speaker 1 of course. Why? He said, you have to treat every check you make like it's the last one you're ever going to make.
They scared the fucking shit out of me. And I still do this.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I still, everyone I get, I'm like, well, that's it. I guess I'm fucking out.
Back to Shaky's Pizza. I'm fucking

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Speaker 2 You, like me, did not finish high school, and that has been one of the things that's sort of driven me to constantly try to stay a few years ahead to make sure I don't run out of employment or, you know, know, cash or anything.

Speaker 2 Is there still some part of you that's still sort of like, got to stay ahead, got to, got to keep this thing going. They're going to kick me out any minute.

Speaker 1 Always. Yeah.
I mean, when you like, so my mother raised my sister and I on like the public school teacher salary. So it's like month to month, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So I sort of realized at an early age that she was working at the school and Bloomingdale's and serve pro carpet cleaning.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh shit, you have to work your ass off to stay ahead of it to have food, you know? And so. Is that Virginia where you grew up? Yeah, just outside of D.C.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you this. What were the bands that you really like right when you were getting to? I know you talked about Zeppelin, and I know we all appreciate, I love those bands.

Speaker 1 And I have an eclectic, like people say, I'm like, I'm not a deadhead, but I've seen the dead like 11 times.

Speaker 1 But I'm not a dead. I think that makes you a deadhead.
No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.
No, I'm pretty sure. I once saw on the sand.
Are you like spinning and taping and doing

Speaker 1 that? Do you have a tie-dye in the closet? Don't forget to. I'm selling devil sticks out of the back.

Speaker 1 Have you ever worn tie-dye shorts? I mean, socks. That's a big one.
No, never. Then sandals.
I have a brand new all-black Grateful Dead. They do send me.
It's a weird story.

Speaker 1 The band sends me stuff sometimes. Anyway, I will say this.

Speaker 1 I saw within a week, I saw Bob Dylan's and the Jerry Garcia band both sing Forever Young within seven days of each other at Madison Square Garden. Anyway, but my point was this.

Speaker 1 What kind of music were you into? No, I was trying to get into like, we're all into it, collect, you love Zeppelin, you love, but was there one kind of music that you loved more than any other?

Speaker 1 Like, were you an indie guy? Were you a pop guy? Metal guy?

Speaker 1 First, I was a Beatles guy. And then I got that rush record with the camel toe, and I was afraid to fucking let anyone hear it or know that I was listening to it.

Speaker 1 I hid it like under my bed, like it was a Playboy. I hid it under the bed.
And then

Speaker 1 I discovered punk rock music. I went up to Chicago.
I have these cousins that live in Evanston outside of Chicago. And we would go up every year from Virginia for.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm from Chicago. I know I was.
Oh, there you go. So my cousin, Tracy, lived in Evanston, right off the lake on this.
You have a Tracy? Wait a second. I do.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 You have a cousin named Tracy in Evanston? I did.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. She's not dead.
She's just in Florida now. But anyway, she's dead.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so I went up there and she had turned into a punk rocker. Like we get one summer we show up and she's got like chains and boots and the jacket and the shaved head.

Speaker 1 I was like, I'd only seen that on like Quincy and Chips. I'm like, holy fucking shit, this is real.
Oh my gosh. Wait a minute.
This is amazing.

Speaker 1 Yes. The problem child that needs to be rescued.
That night, she took me to the first time I ever saw a band was this punk rock band from Chicago called Naked Ray Gun.

Speaker 1 And they're playing at this, right? They were playing at the cubby bear right across the street from Wrigley. Yes, of course.
So she took, I was like 13. She took me to the cubby bear.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, all I knew about rock and roll was like the lasers and the dragons and the castles and the fucking kiss and shit like that.

Speaker 1 So this was like this tiny, shitty little room with a tiny shitty little stage and they had two tiny shitty little lamps and there was a microphone and they started playing and the place fucking exploded and like spit and blood and puke and fucking guys standing on my head and I was like, oh, this is rock and roll.

Speaker 1 This is it. That's pretty wild.
So then I fucking dove headfirst into that whole punk rock thing. But the thing that I loved about it is that all of these bands were totally doing it themselves.

Speaker 1 Like there was no record companies. They had their own record companies and made their own.
So you're like Fugazi, like that whole vibe.

Speaker 1 Fugazi. Yeah, like Fugazi.
That whole scene. Well, that's where I grew up in DC.
Right. Like, those were our 9:30 club.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 9:30 club. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How much time did you spend in Chicago? We'd usually go for like a couple weeks and then we'd go back home. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you ever go to Medusa's? Did not go to Medusa's. It was like an ice cream shop or something.

Speaker 1 So is that where you used to get your pants tailored? What is that? Is that a vape thing?

Speaker 2 So speaking of pants, speaking of the Camelto and everything, once you got off the drum stool and you became lead man, you're up front, was there a pressure to work on the in-seam at all?

Speaker 2 Like when you're up front, do you have to, what is the rock and roll sort of rule there? That you, can you wear baggy pants as a

Speaker 1 wait, huh?

Speaker 1 We're talking about

Speaker 1 baggy pants as a singer. Or do you often have to talk about MC Hammer this whole podcast? Is that what we're doing? MC Hammer and John Bunham.
Go.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 no. I mean, I didn't put that much thought to it.
One of the reasons why, okay, so I go and I record that thing by myself.

Speaker 1 Where is it? The first record. It was just the first Foo Fighters.
It was in Seattle. There was a studio right down the street from my house, and I'm like, okay, I need to do something

Speaker 1 because I stopped playing music. I didn't want to become someone else's drummer.
And I was, you know, we were, our whole world was turned up.

Speaker 1 And you went to Ireland and you, there's this great story about a hitchhiker there,

Speaker 1 if you want to share it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So after Kurt died, everyone just kind of like retreated into our corners and we kind of hid from the world and i decided to go on this like soul searching find the most remote place on earth trip and i went to the ring of carry in scotland where i'd been before and i decided i was just going to drive around and think for a while and i was driving down this country road and i saw a hitchhiker And I thought, well, maybe I'll pick him up.

Speaker 1 And as I got closer, I saw that he had a Kurt Cobain t-shirt on in the middle of nowhere. And it was in that moment that I'm like, okay, I can't outrun this thing.

Speaker 1 I need to like, I need to play music. That's wild.

Speaker 1 And so then I went back and booked six days in this little studio and just recorded the 15 songs by myself, thinking, okay, I'm just going to make a cassette and hand it to some friends.

Speaker 1 And what it was not like a career decision. It was like, okay, I'm just going to do this because I felt like I needed to do it.
But it made you go, good.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say, so I strangled the guy and I hid him in some bushes. Like, okay, good.
You did not do that. That did not happen.
Okay, good. Good.
Fuck no.

Speaker 1 I took the t-shirt the fuck out of there as fast as I could.

Speaker 2 Man, that album is so great. As all the ones that followed have been as well.

Speaker 1 But that was kind of your, like, you realized that, like, you had to kind of, I love that idea, like that, that headspace that you're in, that you're like, you, you're like, okay, universe, I hear you, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 I'm, I'll go, I'll do it. I'll jump back in.

Speaker 2 Just steer right into it.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, if you think about it, like your entire life, listen, in the darkest moments of your life, you've probably turned to music and listened to music to help heal whatever you feel.

Speaker 1 So I kind of went in that, at first I'd stopped listening to music, and then I'm like, no, wait, it's kind of healed me my whole life. Now I need to like get back into it.
So I did. Right.
100%.

Speaker 1 I get that.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 was it transitioning off of the drum set and going up front and

Speaker 2 finding Taylor and kind of handing that off to?

Speaker 1 It's a drum kit, by the way. It's a drum kit.

Speaker 2 Sorry, yeah.

Speaker 2 Was that a comfortable thing? Did you want to sing and play guitar and be up front? Or was it, what was that decision process?

Speaker 1 No, it was totally weird and foreign, and I hated it. But that's kind of why I did it, because I didn't want to just go sit and play the drum some more because I kind of knew I could do that.

Speaker 1 But this was something I didn't know that I could do.

Speaker 2 And you had some things you wanted to say, yeah, with writing lyrics.

Speaker 1 My lyrics are fucking terrible. I said absolutely nothing at all for the first 10 years.
Like, maybe the last record I actually said something meaningful.

Speaker 2 Are you conscious of that?

Speaker 1 When you're, when you're right, I'm not agreeing with you, but when you're writing lyrics, are you like i'm not even gonna try to do anything somewhat profound you know i remember spending so much time on a lyric once and our bass player nate said dude not every song has to be imagine you know that right and so then i was like really

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 right right um

Speaker 1 can we go back so who was the flautist your dad or your mom dad my dad dad and did you did they encourage you to study music and to learn uh music theory and and things like that?

Speaker 1 Or are you just by ear?

Speaker 1 I just kind of went by ear.

Speaker 1 There was this old guitar in the corner of our house and like around nine,

Speaker 1 nine years old, I picked it up and I was one string. I'm like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, shit, this is easy.

Speaker 1 And then I just fucking, I took like a few guitar lessons and I had this.

Speaker 1 uh beatles songbook and we'd play along with beatles stuff but drums i i would set up pillows in my bedroom on the floor and learn how to and put on records and do it that way.

Speaker 1 Does any part of you want to go learn, not that you have to because you're brilliant, but go back and kind of learn all of the how to read music and how and the music theory of it and chord progressions and time signatures and all that kind of stuff?

Speaker 1 Oh god, that sounds like a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 there is no part of me that wants to go. Now that you've got a lot of money and time to do whatever you want, do you want to go and read

Speaker 1 that? You know, I actually had a plan when I was young.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, since I'll never become a professional musician, I should learn how to read music and I'll become a studio drummer and then I'll make enough money that I could put myself back through school and then get a real job.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. And then I was like, fuck that.

Speaker 2 Can I ask a dumb question? Can you read drum music? Do drums have notes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do, and they look like squiggly little lines. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 They're X's. Where the notes are, they're just X's.
Huh.

Speaker 1 Okay, Sean. Like, let's learn how to do this.
Sean's driving studied. Sean knows what he's talking about.
Maybe you could teach me to play the drums as well. Tap dancing, drumming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you got some extra time. Dave, he's trying to get you to, he's trying to identify and he's working towards ask him, Sean, about musicals.
Fucking ask him. No, no.

Speaker 1 I do have another question, though, about genres of music.

Speaker 1 Have you seen promises, promises? Have you seen promises, promises?

Speaker 1 Have you, is there a certain genre of music that you aren't drawn to? Like, you know, there's so so many. There's country, there's pop, there's rock, there's rap, there's just tons and tons.

Speaker 1 Is there something you're like, that's not for me?

Speaker 1 I'm not the biggest country fan. I have to be honest.
There are certain things that I kind of like, and there's certain artists that I respect and think are really great.

Speaker 2 Maybe you and I can get together and watch a Ken Burns documentary on country and get to know it and get to know it.

Speaker 1 Should we do that? Should we go? I mean, I went to, like, I did this HBO series called Sonic Highways, and I went to Nashville and did a whole episode on Nashville. And it was was really interesting.

Speaker 1 And of course, like Nashville's, that's the town with the best musicians. That's the place where

Speaker 1 you walk down the street, look in someone's window, and they're playing like a dulcimer or something like that.

Speaker 1 That place is filled with the most brilliant musicians. I don't know why.
It's just, I've just never clicked with the country.

Speaker 2 Tell me how you like or not like the being sort of the front man, the leader, the dad in the band.

Speaker 2 Well, but I mean, you know, he put it together and he's the boss.

Speaker 2 And how do you like managing the inevitable ups and downs of traveling and living together and probably spending more time with one another than you?

Speaker 1 Hey, before you answer, sorry, Jason, I just want to cut you off and just say, or the mom, just because just to cut off all, you know, to head off the letters.

Speaker 2 He needs to be mom too. You know, there's moms.

Speaker 1 You're such a dummy. Wow, Will's policing this whole thing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a bad sign. That's not cool.
Yeah, that's like me being the front person of a band.

Speaker 1 Bad idea.

Speaker 2 But are you good at smoothing out conflict and doing all the administrative stuff that one needs to do in a band or not?

Speaker 1 Well, we've been a band for 26 years.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Which is totally crazy. It's 26 years.

Speaker 1 And I think that eventually

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 come up with some sort of system that works. And I always liken it to like wheels and a clock.
There's like the big wheel that rolls slow. There's the little wheel that kind of does this.

Speaker 1 And when the gears meet, like that keeps ticking. And so I love that.
You know, I like to be in a band. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like I like it when everybody is there for the same reason and everyone's contributing and it's really awesome. Do I have to make like sort of weird decisions, tough decisions sometimes?

Speaker 1 Yes, but I refer to different members for certain things. Like if I have sort of like a...
any sort of like ethical dilemma or crisis, I turn to Nate and Pat and I'm like, what should we do?

Speaker 1 They're like the barometer.

Speaker 1 If it's, if we need to have like a stadium rock ending to a song I turn to Taylor and I'm like Taylor How to what would queen do you know so what about t-shirt designs?

Speaker 1 Who's who's got who's got never me absolutely not never never never me really no who's got the taste on the graphic art?

Speaker 1 It's probably like Nate and Chris. And you know what to be honest? I don't fucking care.
So I just kind of back out and go like, yeah, whatever you guys want to do. I don't care.

Speaker 1 You don't care for real. When it comes to album covers and shit, yes.

Speaker 2 We haven't done a coffee cup for a while or what about a a good key fob? You're not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's an email that I swipe and delete. By the way, those are Bateman's best ideas.
Coffee cup and a fucking key fob.

Speaker 2 God, I designed the greatest.

Speaker 1 Greatest key fobs. I mean, look at the, he's aesthetically inclined.
You just take a look.

Speaker 2 This looks like just a generic hoodie. It's $6,000.

Speaker 1 By the way, we should mention, this is a great time to mention because we've never mentioned it except for where we do have hoodie. We have a website.
I just thought about that this week.

Speaker 1 We have a website. Oh, you have merch.
And we have merch we've never talked about. Cool, go to foofighters.com.
Foofighters.com. Yeah, it's weird that we're selling our stuff at foo fighters.com.

Speaker 1 Dave, when you were growing up, it's clear that you kind of, you know, took influence from your dad and the music side. And a lot of kids either go one way or the other, right?

Speaker 1 You go, oh, I want to do what my parents do, or I want to run from what my parents did.

Speaker 1 What about your kids? Is anybody kind of going to get it? Well, in your case, your parents just run. Right.

Speaker 1 Not your dad, but keep going, Sean. Sorry.

Speaker 1 And I stayed put and got fat. But anyway,

Speaker 1 what about your kids? Do they want to do it, Dad? Does their they want to run? Well, my daughter, Violet, who's 15, she is the most talented musician that this family has ever known.

Speaker 1 Like, she has perfect pitch, and she has

Speaker 1 an incredible memory, musical memory.

Speaker 1 She could pick up an instrument and learn it in like a week. She's a total badass.

Speaker 2 Does she think you're a badass, or does she think, oh, he's daddy, he sucks?

Speaker 1 He's a dadass. No, I think she, you know, she, it's because she's, she's grown up like, you know, I've been carrying her backstage since she was, you know, so she's seen this whole thing like from the

Speaker 2 gets that you're good, that that you're not just screwing around.

Speaker 1 Well, she gets that I work really hard at trying to make good records and stuff like that. And that's a big part of it.

Speaker 2 How does she handle all the travel? I mean, she's, she doesn't know any different, hopefully, like, like my kids, like, they just kind of deal with it. And I don't see any problems yet.
But

Speaker 2 how does the family deal with you being gone all the the time?

Speaker 1 Well, you know, she's actually, she's one of our backup singers now. Oh, great.
So she comes on the road and we like, we share a room. She's like on that side of the situation.
How old is she?

Speaker 1 I'm on this 15 and a half. On this side of the single wake up in the morning and I like order room service.
Then I'm like, it's time to get up.

Speaker 1 And then we like have some breakfast and then we roll our bags down to the thing. Then we go to the thing.

Speaker 1 100,000 people. And then we get, we get a pizza and then we watch a horror movie.
And it's actually really awesome.

Speaker 1 And then my daughter Harper, she came up to me when she was like nine or something like that she's like dad i want to learn how to play the drums and i'm like

Speaker 1 drums like that's some mail room position

Speaker 1 really like straight to the drums usually you get demoted and so i was like okay so i started showing her how to play the drums and she has like an internal meter where she's got really good time and she understands how that shit works and i sat her down and gave her an acdc record and she was like

Speaker 1 she has feel

Speaker 1 Like, she's really got it. She did it for like three months and was just like, fuck that.
By the way, that was really good already.

Speaker 2 Did you show her the videos of Nandy Bushall?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Well, you know what? They're actually my daughters.

Speaker 1 I wrote a song for Nandy and my three daughters were the backup singers for the song that I wrote for Nigeria.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was that girl, that English girl that you got into the thing with that was so red. That was so real.
That was so, so red.

Speaker 1 I have a question about what you just did because that was kind of mind-blowing. What you just, like, Will just said, that was crazy.

Speaker 1 The thing about drummers is that, is like this internal thing. How do you learn how to, I mean, it's you keeping the rhythm for the whole song, for the whole show, all the time, every song.

Speaker 1 And how do you learn how to do that? You know, I'll tell you, when I was a kid, like when we would, my grandparents lived in Ohio, and we would drive from Springfield up to Youngstown, Ohio.

Speaker 1 And when you pass through Pennsylvania, you're going through all of those tunnels through the mountains and stuff. So you have a radio station on and there's a song.
It's like, whamp,

Speaker 1 and then you go into the tunnel and it's gone. And you try to keep time with it.
So when you come out, it's like, battle, daddle, daddle, dad, bouche.

Speaker 1 And so I would do this game in the fucking tunnels to see if I could actually keep the meter going like that. And so I did that my whole entire life.

Speaker 1 But all joking aside, and the tap dancing, I know we were joking about that. That's no joke.
You have to be.

Speaker 1 You have to be a good dancer because not that you've tried, maybe, or I don't know, because your whole body is rhythm.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's kind of the last thing you want to see from anyone on a dance floor. Because I'm either going to like do the fucking robot or I look like a deadhead, like Will, or it's like it's not,

Speaker 1 I don't know. How is that? How is that? How is the rhythm, the internal rhythm, the clock that you have, how is it

Speaker 1 you know, shown up in other parts of life, you know?

Speaker 1 Uh, I could play drums with my teeth. You can, what does that look like? Hold on, let me see if I can.

Speaker 1 I can, I can do this. I can do this with my mouth and my nose, nose, my breath.
I can go.

Speaker 1 Oh, I heard that. That was cool.
It was like, check it, chick, check, check, check it, check it, check, check, check, check, get it. That was a little bossa nova.
Yeah. Wait, do you do blow?

Speaker 1 Do I do blow? No, I don't. She's still a little bit.

Speaker 1 That's what's coming up.

Speaker 1 You really should dry it, though. Yeah, it's real fun.
That's a cynic side.

Speaker 2 So, hey, Sean, did you do that because you wanted to try to figure out how to smell your own breath?

Speaker 1 Do any of you guys ever smell your own breath?

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. What's the question, idiot? Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 I just want to double back on the camel toe question for Dave. And then when I want to get to breath smelling,

Speaker 1 I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 Guys, I'm the best host of the year.

Speaker 1 What about these questions?

Speaker 1 What about these questions?

Speaker 1 I had a joke that I was going to make that even I wouldn't make. So I'm going to go.
Do it. We can cut it.
No, I'm not going to do it. Really? Do it.
No.

Speaker 1 I actually have a line. All right.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Hey, Dave, what about directing? Why, why, do you have a passion for that? Or is it just like, ah, fuck it, I'm tired of listening to these guys direct our videos.

Speaker 2 I'll tell where to point the camera and stuff like that. Or do you have a passion for that?

Speaker 1 Well, most of the videos that we've done, like, have come from crazy dreams that I've had. And so, and we would look through all the treatments people would send us.

Speaker 1 And I'd be like, man, well, it doesn't really matter. And then I would write a treatment and someone would say, do you want to direct it? And I'd say, I have no idea how to do that.

Speaker 1 And then I would do it. And so I've done it a bunch of times.
And then the documentary stuff, like, that stuff just kind of fell into my lap. And that's really fun.
I really enjoy doing that.

Speaker 1 Who are the musicians musicians now?

Speaker 1 And all jokes, aside from going, like, you know, like Elvis Presley, like, who are the people you would like to, who are still making music or have been making music in the last 25 years,

Speaker 1 current recording artists that you're like, or that you would like to make a record with, or you think is fucking cool, or doing something that's cool.

Speaker 1 And I don't mean like, I want to do it with Justin Bieber. Like, forget the mainstream.
And I don't want to hear the ironic answer.

Speaker 1 Tell me the real answer, not like the thing that you think will, you know what I mean? Yeah. No, I know I've, I've met a lot of really amazing musicians.

Speaker 1 I'm sure everybody, you met everybody, like Steve Malcolm, like somebody like that. Like, he's a one-on-one.

Speaker 1 I'm more like Omar Hakeem and Niall Rogers and Craig Kirsten, and like just like assemble like a real,

Speaker 1 like badass group of people to go in the studio for one week and then just like bang some stuff out and see what happens. That's really fun.

Speaker 1 Because when you meet musicians that you've never really played with before,

Speaker 1 you meet someone and you try to carry a conversation and you try to like make friends this way.

Speaker 1 But when you put on instruments as musicians, like those conversations can be more fun and deeper when there's no language, you're just like playing the music together. That's really awesome.

Speaker 1 Cause then you, you almost.

Speaker 1 you you find out what type of person they are by the way that they play their instruments so that's why i love jamming with so many different people is that it's like you know once you sit down and start doing it you're like oh that's who you are oh okay cool i tried to make a conversation conversation with Dave once during some of my, my, my, before I lost my privileges.

Speaker 2 This one, I was really thirsty during my peak drinking.

Speaker 2 I was over at, I think it was Trader Vicks in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 How psyched was he when you were? Yeah, well, hold on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he let me know.

Speaker 2 I was deep into my third Scorpion Bowl, and there's Dave Grohl sitting in a booth.

Speaker 2 And I had just learned that we share the same birthday and year. And I just thought he would be thrilled to learn this too.

Speaker 1 I am. I have been.

Speaker 1 Remember the time we had the birthday show at the forum? I was so excited for us to share an arena concert

Speaker 1 celebrating our birthdays.

Speaker 2 But this was my first, this is what my, my, my passion for you was running white hot. I'd never met you before and there he is and I just learned we share the same birthday.

Speaker 2 So what that's no wonder why I think this guy's so amazing. So I slide into the booth next to him and I just give him the eyebrows and I say, hey, guess who's got the same birthday as me?

Speaker 1 Same year.

Speaker 2 Just smiling at him, waiting for a like a fucking what?

Speaker 2 And he looked at me.

Speaker 2 This is all to my drunk memory. I'm sure he was very, very nice, but I just remember just whatever the physical facial equivalent of crickets is, I got it.

Speaker 1 No, that's pretty spot on. That's pretty spot on what you're talking about.
It was, right? Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 So fucking what, Jason Bateman?

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Speaker 2 All right, back to the show.

Speaker 1 Are you always someone who kind of, because you are, you seem, you have so much energy, you're super funny, you're always writing, you're always making, creating something.

Speaker 1 Are you that kind of personality that just goes, goes, goes all the time? And if so, how do you relax? How do you calm down? What calms your brain down? Or no? White claw. White claw.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yes, I am a total spaz. That's the short answer.

Speaker 1 What do I do to relax? Is there anything that calms you down? I don't know. I don't have any hobbies.
I don't know. Do you work out or do you go to the school?

Speaker 1 No, you don't work out. Come work out with me, Dave.
Come over to the house. No.

Speaker 2 But Dave, Dave, are you a spazz all day or are you like me? Because we are the same age.

Speaker 1 Do you crash?

Speaker 2 Yeah, at like four o'clock. Is it a testosterone thing?

Speaker 1 Is it a workout? You might want to get your thyroid checked.

Speaker 2 Are you napping at all now, Dad?

Speaker 1 I'm a bad napper. No, I'm not a good napper.

Speaker 1 No. No, I pretty much much spazz all day.
I, you know, it kind of ramps up around, what time is it? 10, 11 o'clock in the morning. Yeah.
And then it peak spaz, and then it kind of dips a little bit.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you guys, like,

Speaker 1 and then the white claw.

Speaker 1 A really dark, weak stream is a good sign, right?

Speaker 1 Yes, especially if it smells like maple syrup. I think that's what you're

Speaker 1 referring to, right? Just checking. I'm healthy.
Ah, Dave.

Speaker 2 Dark and weak.

Speaker 1 Dark, weak stream.

Speaker 1 Dave, but I do want to know, though, like, is it like, are you a baseball? Do you watch baseball or do you? No, I mean, I don't watch sports. No.
Okay, you don't watch sports? No.

Speaker 1 The closest thing I had to sports was I was on a skeet shooting league for a while. That's pretty dope.
It's pretty fun. That's pretty dope as hell.
That's my sport. What's skeeter? Like, skeet.

Speaker 2 How often are you playing music? Is it every day in some capacity you're picking up and just kind of like noodling around on the guitar looking for a rhythm that might become a song?

Speaker 1 That happens kind of every day. But

Speaker 1 what do you listen to in the car? Do you have a radio? Do you listen to radio at all every day? I do. I listen to old school.

Speaker 1 First of all, like just the fact that I'm on a computer right now with a thing that's connected to this other thing

Speaker 1 is a fucking miracle. I'm the most like

Speaker 1 AM radio analog dude. I drive around in the car.
I listen to KLOS or whatever. And I hear like Fog Hat again, and I still like it.
And

Speaker 1 yeah. Or, you know, I'm also a YouTuber.
So I'll wind up watching videos of songs like I just the other day. Remember that They Might Be Giant song?

Speaker 1 Put a little birdhouse in your soul. Yes, it's one of my favorite groups.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I hadn't listened to them in like 30 years.

Speaker 1 And in the last 12 hours, I've listened to that song like 1,200 times. It's the best.
I love it. It's amazing.
Like, I'm even watching like covers that people have done of, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 What about this sort of move away from, it's probably happening over the last 10 years, probably 15 years, away from real drums, real guitar, real everything, and it's becoming much more sort of electronic and you can kind of make a whole album on a computer.

Speaker 1 It's been the last 10 years. Have you ever heard soft cell? Yeah, like

Speaker 2 no, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like 2011 right now? What are we talking about? What are you with?

Speaker 1 But like there's no more like amps and there are, like, remember the last time, I mean, there are moments where you see it sort of poking its head into mainstream music.

Speaker 1 First of all, it's not, you know, it's not like a meteor crash dinosaur extinction level event. It's like

Speaker 2 thanks to you guys and a couple of other bands. You guys are keeping that thing going strong.
But, you know, like

Speaker 2 the days, like the new band used to be, you know, like white stripes or something that's just like hardcore, but now it's like anything that's like, yeah, but like super techno electronic, odd.

Speaker 2 you try to find a rhythm and you can't is sort of the new, some of the new sort of, I mean, it's also very cyclical.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 something will be really, really popular for a while. And then that becomes like, oh, wow, they're using guitars and drums.

Speaker 1 Like, if you look at, I mean, first of all, Miley Cyrus is like becoming the next Joan Jett as we speak. Like, this is really happening.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, she goes out and she's like a rock star, you know?

Speaker 1 Or like when Lady Gaga played on the Grammys a few years ago, like instead of doing her huge production, she was like, it was almost like she was Ziggy Stardust.

Speaker 1 She was like singing with the band behind her.

Speaker 1 Hey, Dave, let me ask you, what's your favorite beat of all time that always gets you? There's like a like there's a song that comes on and you go like, fuck, I just love that.

Speaker 1 You know what it is? It's that reggaeton beat. It's like,

Speaker 1 is there a song that has

Speaker 1 10,000 songs that do that? Like that, right?

Speaker 1 Like Justin's got one, and Selena's got one.

Speaker 1 I was just thinking, like, I love that. You remember that, like, Stone Rose's Fool's Gold?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a Manhattan beat.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, this is the thing. Sometimes.
Dave, did I get that right? I don't fucking know what any of you guys are talking about. When we just turned it over, sometimes

Speaker 1 when a beat will define a whole genre of music, and this is

Speaker 1 dangerous, I think, because then all of a sudden your band or your type of music you're playing is restricted to this one thing and it happens something like trap music when all of a sudden when it was like

Speaker 1 and you're going like hip it shabbit fib it ship it

Speaker 1 that was like three years ago or whatever right right

Speaker 1 because it was the same fucking beat in every fucking song well i know what you're talking about um that song that stone roses song everybody emulated that beat for like seven years right after that that was like 1989 and it was just like boom, all those bands out

Speaker 1 of Manchester specifically, but it was like so good. And God, I love that band.

Speaker 1 Dave,

Speaker 2 true that you broke your leg, went backstage, got a cast on it, came back out, finished the concert, then had a throne

Speaker 2 built to continue the tour.

Speaker 1 Is that correct?

Speaker 2 True. All of it true.

Speaker 1 All of it true. Well, sort of.
I fell off the stage and I

Speaker 1 dislocated my ankle and broke my leg. And then I felt no pain.
So I was like, I'm going to go fix this. I'll be right back.
And I looked at the band. It was like, just play a queen song.

Speaker 1 Just go, go, go, go. And they pulled me off to the side of the stage.
And the guy, it was in Sweden. He takes off my, my high top and he's like, your ankle's dislocated.

Speaker 1 I must put it back in right now. And so I'm like, oh my God.
So I got this huge cup of crown royal. I was like, and then he puts it back in and he's holding it there.
And I'm like, okay, so

Speaker 1 can I go sit down and finish the show? And he's like, well, we have to put a cast on it. And I was like, where is, okay, do you have one? He's like, no, we got to go to the hospital.

Speaker 1 i said how far away is that he's like half an hour i'm like fuck that you go get the cast and i'll go sit down and he goes well if i let go of your ankle it's just gonna fall out and then i was like well then you're coming on stage motherfucker and this guy no way was like okay and he they they put this ace bandage around it and he came out with you and held my foot it was like now again i'm making decisions and so he sat there and held it as we played it was a stadium and we kept pointing no pain

Speaker 2 no pain and then the throne. And then you had a chair developed to continue the tour.
Later, gave that throne to Axel Rose. True or false?

Speaker 1 True. Axel had to use it.
Oh, you want to know what's crazy? Okay, so then Axel used it for Guns and Roses because he broke his foot. And then he was also singing with AC DC at the time.
So then...

Speaker 1 Then it goes on tour with AC DC for a little bit. And then I'm the guy that people call like, hey, I broke my fucking ankle.
Can I borrow the throne? I was like, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 So I started sending it out to different people. But recently, like about a month ago, there was this dude in a metal band who stopped an active shooter at his show, at his own show.

Speaker 1 He saw this guy that was acting sketchy. And so he confronted him.
And the guy shot this dude in the band in the leg.

Speaker 1 And then, and then they found his car was full of ammunition and blah, blah, blah, blah. What? And so

Speaker 1 he and his friends started this online campaign, like, Dave, you should give him the throne.

Speaker 1 And I gave him the throne for him to play in his metal band, which was pretty radical.

Speaker 1 So listen, if any of you guys ever need

Speaker 1 a throne,

Speaker 1 I know you've got your spidey chair, Will, but this thing has like lasers and a smoke machine on it. Yeah, that would be, that's pretty red.
That's pretty rad.

Speaker 2 Dave, I imagine you got some real quality house time with the, with, with the wife and the girls

Speaker 2 during COVID. But now,

Speaker 2 are you back on tour? Are you back on the road?

Speaker 2 Are you thinking about it?

Speaker 1 We are. We're doing some shows here and there.
We're playing. Well, we've been out.

Speaker 1 We went out for the last like two and a half, three months and played all through the Midwest and did Lillapalooza and reopened Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 1 That's right. That's right.
We've got some more shows coming up.

Speaker 1 And then we'll like quiet down for a little bit and then do it all again.

Speaker 2 Sean, isn't there like a vocal exercise, like a sentence? Not like quick brown fox checks.

Speaker 1 What is the thing you say before you do it? I'll do it. I'll do it.
Let's hear it, Sean. I'll do a

Speaker 1 mama,

Speaker 1 mama,

Speaker 1 mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama,

Speaker 1 mama, mama,

Speaker 1 mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 Wow. You get to that.
You know what I do before a show? Yeah, good. What do you do? Three Advil, two Coors Lights, and two Shots.

Speaker 1 There it is. Is that true? 26 years.
26 years right there. Is that true? It's absolutely.
You don't smoke butts, though, right? You don't smoke butts.

Speaker 2 In a pinch.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 You do. I do.
I do all the things I'm not supposed to do.

Speaker 2 You're a rock star, goddammit.

Speaker 1 It's not even that. I'm just a fuck-up, and I'm too lazy to do the thing Sean did before a show.
And

Speaker 1 terrified someone will hear me doing that.

Speaker 2 But here is the deal. And I don't want to embarrass you.
You have

Speaker 2 been an incredibly relevant figure in rock and roll for a long, long time. You've made all these records.
You have a family. You are getting up early.
You're going to bed early.

Speaker 2 You're still doing all the rock star things, but you're managing to juggle the other side as well. My hat is off to you, Michael.

Speaker 1 You definitely want. Jason is really impressed with how early you get up.
Because he's just like, that's the mark of somebody who's serious. Well, you can't fake that.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up. We're not going to fit in your fucking box, Bateman.
Okay? Of what you've drawn up, what you think should be, because you don't even do it yourself. Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 I've had enough of it. Dave, Dave, you and I are rock stars, man, and we're doing it differently than everybody else.

Speaker 2 Said from a spidey chair.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Dave. You're a fucking rad dude, and come on over to the house.
We're going to lift, and I'm going to get you into sports.

Speaker 1 Sean's going to tap dance with you, and he's going to get you into promises and promise. And, Bateman, you can go and F yourself.

Speaker 1 And that's our show.

Speaker 2 And with that, sweet, sweet Dave Grohl, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 2 I'll see you at Trader Vic.

Speaker 1 So cool to meet you, Dave. You're a treasure.
What a pleasure to meet you. Thanks, fellas.
We'll see you around. Okay.
See you, man. Bye.
Bye. Bye.
Bye, buddy. That Dave Grohl.
Boy.

Speaker 1 Jason, what a great guest. Look, I fanned out about the Nirvana thing because I grew up listening to him.

Speaker 2 So I tried very hard not to ask any Nirvana questions. He doesn't want to talk about Nirvana.
Why not, though? Because that's all he's ever talked about. Everybody always wants to ask about it.

Speaker 2 It's like this great thing.

Speaker 1 It's one of the most iconic bands of all time. That's fair.

Speaker 2 He's done 14,000 albums with the Foo Fighters.

Speaker 1 That's like somebody saying you can't ask you. And that was our question or an arrested development question.

Speaker 2 Well, but did we hammer Paul McCartney about the Beatles?

Speaker 1 No, we should have. We should, we should have.
We did. We talked a little bit about him being from Liverpool, and we bring up

Speaker 1 Teen Wolf 2 all the time with you.

Speaker 1 We can't not talk about that.

Speaker 2 I do enjoy talking about that.

Speaker 1 Because you, as you point out, it's Teen Wolf also. Yeah, teed up a lot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was not a sequel. It was not a sequel.

Speaker 1 He's great. Super guy, super funny.

Speaker 2 And he's got a brand new book out. I should have asked him.
It's called The Storyteller.

Speaker 1 Is it called The Storyteller?

Speaker 2 It's called The Storyteller.

Speaker 1 it's your favorite term will

Speaker 2 it's tough i'm gonna have to it's tough yeah but i do love dave and and by the way if you're actually writing a book and you call it the storyteller that's okay so do you guys get the same sort of vibe from him that you do from me because we we share the same exact day i mean do you believe in all that like astrology and like people born on the same day are kind of the same the same people do you think rock star when you when you look at me when you talk to me

Speaker 1 first of all i don't think that that's true i think that if you were born at the same minute maybe

Speaker 1 in the same place.

Speaker 2 No, I didn't really go that micro with it.

Speaker 1 Well, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 I like when he said the parts of the band he associated with a clock where

Speaker 1 the big gear moves a little slower, the little one moves faster, and they all come together. Will, how would you describe us three as

Speaker 1 the internal parts of a clock? First of all, I didn't know that we were going around doing like, I like when he said, oh, okay. And I like when he said, oh, no, I just remembered it.
I remember.

Speaker 1 I like that analogy too. I thought that was really, really cool.

Speaker 2 Would you call me the big cog?

Speaker 1 No, there's an L. Clock.
Clock?

Speaker 2 Big Cog.

Speaker 1 Big Cog. Big Cog.
Big Cog. Yeah.
But you were very, you were, you were real slurry on this.

Speaker 2 I was trying to slur the G just to get a joke.

Speaker 1 Am I the big cog? I like the analogy of,

Speaker 1 I like the analogy if we were all board games. I would say, I would say Jason's chess, Will, you're checkers, and I'm probably shoots him like.

Speaker 1 You think so? Oh, I thought you were going to say sorry. Or I'm sorry.
Yeah. Why? First of all, why am I checkers?

Speaker 2 It's Because I'm chess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you're right.

Speaker 2 He's just calling it like he sees it, Will. You know?

Speaker 1 What do you think? He's just talking.

Speaker 1 Do you talk to Bateman? Because you travel a lot. You can travel with checkers a little bit easier.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. You guys have traveled.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about that, by the way.

Speaker 2 We've never taken a trip.

Speaker 1 We're going to. Just the two of us.

Speaker 2 No, just the two of us. You, me, Sean, or you, me, Will.

Speaker 2 We're going to do a threesome coming up in February.

Speaker 1 Get your tickies. Get your tickies.
And I mentioned the merch because I did. I have,

Speaker 1 we each got one of those smartless hoodies when we first were coming up with it. And the people who made them.

Speaker 2 You're not going to wear that, are you? You can't wear your own stuff.

Speaker 1 Well, this is what I'm getting to. So they sent it to the three of us to say, like, hey, what do you think? Right.
Right. And we all got one

Speaker 1 before they went on sale on the website. And

Speaker 1 so I still have mine and it's hanging in the closet. And the other day, I had it on.
And sometimes I wear it around the house because it's actually very nice.

Speaker 1 And this is not me trying to say they're really comfy. You should get it.
It's super comfy. I actually just put it on.

Speaker 1 And I said to the kids, I was like, I can't wear this outside of the house ever because I'm like, hey, hey, look, hey, there's the guy wearing his own face.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And did Archie and Abel say, you can't wear it here either.

Speaker 1 Get it off. No, they didn't.
But let me ask you something. Jason, you must have Ozark swag.
Do you wear it? And do you wear it outside of the house?

Speaker 2 I give a lot of it away. I've got two hats that I still keep in my closet for some weird reason.
Like I'm going to wear them one day, which I can't.

Speaker 1 I can't go out with it. You're one of the, Jason, are you one of those like you wear like a Panavision hat? Like, hey, just ask me if I'm a director.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 A stunt's unlimited. Just beg them for some ass.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. Just please ask me.
What kind of mat do you use? Yeah. Something like that.
It was, well, that's how I felt about the segue bringing. We talked about the segues before.

Speaker 1 Remember, Jason remembers, Sean, when I was at Arrested Development, which was a show Jason and I were on, which, again, you got to see it. It's a comedy hat.
You got to see it.

Speaker 1 Because you like comedy. And I used, my character used to ride one of those segues, those, you know, personal people, single, whatever, people movers,

Speaker 1 something like that, something dumb.

Speaker 1 and I drove that thing around it's really fun to it was they were fun to ride yeah I could never ride it from that moment on because I'd be like hey hey guy are you riding your proper riding so funny you know you're gonna think I'm a nerd but like I actually did like sweater vests before my character Jack McFarlane now I can never wear a sweater vest yeah you can never wear it nope yeah and now Jason can never wear khakis with the sleeves rolled up on a shirt oh wait he does it all the time that's that's our show bye

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Sorry.
Wait, was that a real buy or 200? No, I don't know. I don't think I count.

Speaker 2 By the way,

Speaker 2 I took a little heat the other day.

Speaker 2 I was talking to some friends, and they're like, hey, are you serious with the buys at the end of every episode?

Speaker 1 What do you mean, are you serious?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 they're like saying, because remember, the only reason we're doing it is because it's the most obnoxious, annoying thing.

Speaker 1 It's a joke.

Speaker 2 But I think we're past the joke now, and now it's just awful.

Speaker 1 What do you think? Wait, wait, who, by the way, it goes, it depends on who said it. Who asked that?

Speaker 2 Somebody who's not prone to cynicism at all. It's actually somebody I was working with like a sound crew, like engineers at a post-production session.

Speaker 1 When you were doing, you were doing a session for Hyundai?

Speaker 2 No, a different,

Speaker 1 different,

Speaker 1 which, by the way, is a fantastic car.

Speaker 2 If you like safety and if you like economy and handsome lines.

Speaker 2 Anyway,

Speaker 2 so should we change that at all?

Speaker 1 No, well, we've run out of all the pun. How about like a Siya?

Speaker 2 Why don't we move on to Siya? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

Speaker 1 I'm not taking fucking notes from people. I don't give a shit what they think.

Speaker 1 I hate when people go, you know,

Speaker 1 so I'll tell you this. Okay.
This is my last point. And then you guys, I was in Toronto and I was with our friend Shanny this week from Toronto.
Brendan Shanahan, Tracy.

Speaker 1 Brendan Shanahan from the Leafs game for Tracy. Love him.
Who's the president of the Leafs? Love him. And he called.

Speaker 2 Home Opener when. Did you go to the home opener?

Speaker 1 I was at the home opener with my dad you were yeah big nice big win and it was with my dad and and a couple buddies and and was there with shandy we had a nice little dinner before and then we were at the thing pushing through um pushing through and and and so anyway so we were watching the thing and i said you know that shandy often uh after one of our podcast you know episodes uh it comes out he'll call me or text me and he'll be like that was pretty good you know what i thought uh when bateman said that was good and i liked when sean like he'll do it like every week we'll talk on the phone he'll have notes so i realized we were watching the end of the leafs game and his brother was there and a couple other people.

Speaker 1 I go, you know, I turned to Sean. I go, you know what, man?

Speaker 1 I go, you call me after the podcast, and you give me notes on the show. So guess what? After tonight's game, I got some notes, dude.
The third

Speaker 1 needs

Speaker 1 some work. I got some notes.

Speaker 2 And did you give them? Yeah, I sure did.

Speaker 1 Did he take them? Has he implemented him? Well, it's all about puck possession, right? And I think, Sean, you'd agree. Yeah, I know, puck possession for sure.

Speaker 1 They could just jockey for a better puck position.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and forcheck.

Speaker 1 Possession. Possession.
Sure. That's what I said.

Speaker 1 Oh, you did. Sorry.
I misheard.

Speaker 2 Hey, Sean, serious question. If you were to spell 4check, would you spell it F-O-U-R or F-O-R-E?

Speaker 1 First of all, I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 On a like a gentleman from Prague, and he's not cut, he's got a 4check. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 Now I gotta say,

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