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Visit ParamountPlus.com slash LiveSports to get started. Hello, podcast listener this is smartless i am jason i have a friend named will and a friend named sean we uh we ask people questions uh if that's what you're looking for you're in the right spot i mean like the energy is just it's really low honestly i i just that what you do with that.
You know, here's your attitude. You guys deplorable, honestly.
You do it then.

Here's your attitude.

If you want to do it,

and then if you want to do it.

I just don't feel sincere if I like,

come on with a bunch of energy.

Hey, listener, welcome to Smart.

Like, we're not selling that.

There you go, that's great.

That's great what you just did.

Yeah, that is great.

Try more and sincere more often.

I think people appreciate the non-bullshit on this podcast.

People appreciate you when you're depressed.

Is that what you're saying?

It's free. Just deal with my mood today.
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Oh, look at haircut. Jesus.
What, Wills? I think it's just slicked back. What's up, haircut? I did not get my haircut.
Congratulations. It'll grow back.
Don't worry. I did not get my haircut.
I just combed it. Huh.
Hey, let me ask you something. When you guys go, because I know you guys go for walks like I do uh just to get some fresh air and walk during this crisis this virus we're doing but whenever i pass somebody on the sidewalk i pass them and my conversation in my head is okay did i inhale like their air even though there's a mask behind it did they inhale my air i had that in the first the first month of covid when i'd walk by i i would i would quietly quietly either hold my breath or quietly just slowly exhale.
Yeah, I still do it. Okay, well, hang on.
I got to admit something. And this is a true story.
When I passed strangers, four years have been holding my breath. Really? Yeah.
Even without a mask. That's germy like me.
You're not germy like me. Well, I'm quietly.
I'm a closet germaphobe. You're a closet germaphobe?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Are you really?

Are you a handshaker normally?

Yeah.

I mean, I am.

But I just, I don't know.

And I lived in New York.

I lived in New York for over 20 years full time.

And used the subway as my main mode of transport.

But I would do a lot of like, you know.

So if you, when like speaking of the subway, when you walk by and you walk into like basically like a urine cloud,

Do you feel like you're getting some sort of a disease just because, well, I've smelt it, so therefore I have inhaled urine. I think about that all the time.
Aerosol. All the time.
And now I'm going to have a bladder infection? Is that what you think, Will? I used to think like if you peed in a public urinal, that pee could travel through your stream up into your penis from the previous person. Go upstream, yeah.
Well, that part is true. That part's true.
Oh, that part is true. That part is true.
So then I do have it. That's where I got my STDs.
Yeah. Boy, I did not know this about you, Will.
But here's what you need. Sean, you know what it's like when you go out for dinner with Jason.
So this is how it goes. Just for our listener.
When you go for dinner with Jason, you go into the restaurant, right? And so what he does is he takes the menu and he goes, okay, great. And he can't do anything.
He says, great, let's just get our order in. Because what he has to do is get the order in.
Then he pushes back from the table. He walks gingerly to the men's room.
And he washes his hands like he's going into surgery. And then he comes out with his hands in the air.
No, they're down around the waist because I don't want to embarrass myself. They're like a surgeon, and he comes in, and then if— And I've got to kick the chair.
Yeah, if somebody comes late to the table and he's already been through that process, they're not getting a handshake, right, Jay? Or I start over. Or you've got to do the whole— Yeah, but I definitely wash my hands after I've touched the menu.
I've shook hands at the table, whatever that nonsense is.

But then now it's eat time, so I got to go.

I got to boil the hands.

I come back. Interesting point.

Interesting that the sitting down and shaking hands at the table

and greeting other human beings to him is the nonsense at the table.

To him, that's the nonsense.

I'm there to eat.

All right, let's get on with it. Gang yeah we don't get a lot of duos but today we got a duo oh no yep they are responsible for some of the most complicated and original music going today they are also extremely successful usually when people do complicated stuff, it's not that successful.

They know how to do both.

Their work has brought them, hold on, I go to a different part of my notes here.

It's Simon and Garfunkel.

God, it's a fun one to you.

It's brought them five Grammy Awards, two American Music Awards, two Guinness World

Records, three MTV Video Music music awards and at the the youngest to win all the four main grammy categories best new artist record of the year song of the year album of the year in the same year recently yeah man and i know who it is i think i know who it is you don't have to take your tone up well I'm all fired up about this they also happen to really love each other because they're brother and sister everybody it's Billy Eilish O'Connell and Phineas Baird O'Connell yo what there they are hi boys no way hi Hi. Hi.
This is, I mean,

I might have to, guys, I might have to get the

kids in here. Well, guess what?

Look at me, panning left.

There's my kid.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, Maple wanted

to say hello. Now, Billy,

you've worked with Maple before. You guys did

a little guest spot on our

friend, the talk show host, Mr. Jimmy Kimmel.

You interviewed, she did the Lord's Prayer in Spanish. Do you remember this? Oh.
Oh, my God. Say hi, Mapes.
Hi, Maple. All right, that's the end of that part.
We got to get to business, Mapes. All right, you guys.
Hi. Thank you very much for being on our podcast.
Look at you both there. First of all, it's amazing to meet both of you.
I am a huge fan. I remember, oh my God, now I'm freaking out because I'm nervous.
Ocean, ocean. Ocean eyes.
Ocean eyes. My godson played it for me on Spotify and I freaked out.
I was like, but I have to say, you know, there's a lot of music out there, a lot of pop music a lot of it is like fantastic A lot of it isn't But when I first heard your music I was completely blown away I mean, you and your brother Not since the Carpenters, by the way But I thought that what a way to pivot And not do what everyone else is doing I mean, it was just so different and so powerful Do you guys want to hear us talk? Yeah, I was just going to say, listener, we swear they're here. That is such a fair question.
But I have a question. I have a question.
It was the opposite of the same stuff that's been coming out. So what made you guys, like, trust yourselves as artists that believe that there's an audience that would want something other than those kind of manufactured pop songs that they so crave? You know what I mean? Because it's so different.
First of all, jokes aside, this is a very, very sweet question. So thank you very much.
Yeah. I'm going to let you leave.
No, you keep going. You want me to take it right? Yeah, you keep going.
Well, to answer a really sort of like kind question, I think the main thing is we just wanted to make music together, and that was kind of our only big idea.

So anything beyond that in terms of what people it has reached

or things that compliments people have imbued it with,

to us the success was just sitting down to write a song

and actually writing one and then trying to record it

and that going pretty well.

So I think we've kept our sort of like sights pretty low from the beginning in terms of like, let's just do something. And try to make it not suck.
Yeah, exactly. Jason can relate to that.
He's kept the bar low for so long. That's the key.
You never pull a muscle if the bar's nice and low. And as I also say, also never build your high horse too close to the ground.
You know what I mean? Because you're going to fall off at some point. If you could, you know, we're in 2021 now.
The last, what, three, four years have been, your head has spun around a few times and probably felt like it was going to come off. Right's just you guys have been in riding this incredible wave and we asked this i remember we had paul mccartney on this show we're kind of asking the same thing which is like you have those moments where you go where you check in and you kind of look at each other and go holy shit yeah does that ever happen or no it happens all the time All the time.
I mean, you know, in the bath a lot, you know what I'm saying? Like, or when I wake up. Yeah, we don't take baths together.
No, God, no. But every day, I mean, multiple times a day when I'm doing random stuff, when I'm not, you know, it's very weird to think about.
That's an interesting thing to me because, you know, in order to handle success, I would imagine, you need to somehow put yourself in a place where you are not entitled or deserving of it, but that it's appropriate so that you don't have a panic attack when you're out in front of thousands and thousands of people. Yes.
Yet, it sounds like you're maintaining a keen sense of normalcy. So then how can those two things coexist? Like the normal person would get out on stage and go, oh my God, this is, I'm having a panic attack.
You know, like how do you compartmentalize? How do you switch between the two? I mean, it's really weird because, you know, I have a job that basically a lot of it is just people complimenting me up my ass. You know what I mean? Where, you know.
I know how it is. I know.
No, but what I mean is that I have a job and a career that is like constantly, you know, people saying I'm great or whatever. And it's really hard to to not let that make you go wow i really am great and then be horrible forever and just be completely self-righteous and you know whatever because constantly it's just people putting you on this pedestal that no person should be on really but then you know there's the other side of of

completely the opposite of that of people just you know hate your guts but it's weird what really humbles both you guys like what are you both terrible at that that keeps that keeps you you remember the fact that you're not a superhero you're just human and you suck at x y and z what's X, Y, and Z.

Are you guys terrible

at cooking? Can you not boil

water? You're just human and you suck at X, Y, and Z. What's X, Y, and Z?

Are you guys terrible at cooking?

Can you not boil water?

We can cook.

I'm terrible at that.

Yeah, you are.

Boiling water?

Yeah, it's tough.

I can't figure it out.

It's tough to admit.

You can't fucking boil water.

You know what's a better question?

Not what do you suck at.

What do you wish you were better at? Oh, boy, that's

going to sneak it right by them there, Will.

I mean, we were both

homeschooled so

we don't know any math.

Yeah, that's for sure. Oh, wow.
We don't know any

academics at all. Yeah.

I don't understand anything about the word

geometry. Couldn't tell you.
Like, I don't

even know what it means. Sorry.

You're fine. You're not going to

need it. Look at baby.
That's what I'm saying, though.

I don't understand anything about the word geometry. Couldn't tell you.
Like, I don't even know what it means. Sorry.

You're fine. You're not going to need it.
Look at baby. That's what I'm saying, though.
I don't need it. Like, what am I going to do with that? What am I going to do with pie? You know, tell them, Jason, tell them.
I didn't graduate high school. Yeah, I didn't graduate.
Well, and Jason, because I acted as a high school, like I spent a fair amount of time on Glee as a young person and I was like,

I feel like my not going to school

equaled everyone else

going to school

and not learning anything.

That was the feeling I got.

That's what I felt too.

All of my friends

went to school

and none of us knew anything.

It wasn't like I knew less.

You know what?

I gotta say

and this is gonna be controversial.

I have the least amount of,

because I did not graduate

from college,

I dropped out

and everybody in my family has multiple degrees and I'm way smarter than all of them. See? They're going to listen to this and be really put out.
My dad went to Harvard and I'm way smarter than my dad. I'm always fascinated by musicians like yourself who either did or didn't study music.
Did you actually study music theory or anything like that? We actually did, but it was because we grew up in a choir and part of being in the choir was just like doing music theory like once a week. But it was fun.
It wasn't like a, you know, the way that school is horrible. No, but there were tests and stuff.
But it was, yeah, it was real. We did learn to read music, but, you know, that's not necessarily, you know, you don't need to do that to make music at all.
It just. We asked, again, Paul McCartney was on.
I asked him, I was like, what about this? And did you know that your time signature changes? Right. And he's like, I don't know any of that.
And I was like, oh. And he's written symphonies, which is crazy.
But it's more impressive. You guys know what you, you hear the music.
You know what you like. you know what you're, what you're trying to say musically.
And the fact that you can do it without having to sort of intellectualize it, you know, it's just raw talent, right? Just come that you're kind of relying on that. I mean, you laugh at it.
I know, but it's true. I think.
I think so. What do I know? Well, thanks guys.
I'm just the smartest person in my family. I want to go back to what Jason was kind of touching on, which is where in the world do people like you get the confidence at such a young age when other people your age are like, it's kind of what Jason was talking about a little bit, which is, you know, like what do you attribute your ability to perform in front of an audience? I could not tell you.
I don't know. I kind of have a feeling of, I think it just depends what type of person you are.
But I also kind of feel like some people change and be, I don't know. I don't really understand.
I mean, it's wild. I have a question for you.
What? Are there times where you suddenly are either in the middle of a show or you walk on stage? You know what? And sometimes you're like,'t belong up here that would be horrifying great question well the only time it happened was you know i think at the end of 2019 so after i'd had this enormous year um where you know i was becoming this you know name which was so random and weird i you know had like a month off doing shows. It was like Thanksgiving.
It was about to be the holidays. And I had this one radio show and I went on stage and the entire show, I felt like I was pretending to be Billie Eilish, swear to God.
Like I had this whole feeling in my body that I was like, why am I doing, and it sounds crazy, why am I doing a Billie Eilish show for her? Like, I'm not. I felt like a parody of myself, and it was very trippy.
It took me many weeks to get out of that weird headspace. That's really interesting.
But I don't ever feel like I don't belong. You know, being on stage really is the one thing in my entire life that I've actually felt like I belonged in.
You know, I had a lot of hobbies growing up and I still do. But I realized this recently that I actually never got to a place in any sport I did or any sort of hobby or whatever or class or anything.
Even things I loved, I never actually felt like I belonged there. But not in like a, oh, I'm an outcast way.
It just, there was something off. And just being on stage was the first time I felt.
You can feel it in the music that you guys write. It feels very authentic.
It feels like you guys are talking about what you're feeling, what you're going through. The music, it doesn't feel like you guys are pressing into some area that you you're incapable of doing it just sounds very personal um both musically and lyrically it um and it's and yet every single song is different i think we talked about this a long time ago they get jimmy's show um there aren't two songs that sound the same that's so sweet of you that's hard to do i would imagine yeah that's's what i was saying at the beginning uh when everybody everybody on this zoom was making fun of me i was trying to get the point across that it is it's such a departure from what was mainstream or what still is mainstream that even if you liked it or you hate it whatever you couldn't help but take notice of it because it was so different and in your face and artistic and thoughtful.

Yeah, not easy.

Yeah, I love that.

I remember the first time I heard bad guy and I was like, what is this?

There was such a sort of a danger to it, obviously,

and there was like this kind of, you know,

driving to school with my sons listening to it and thinking like, what?

Who is this?

You know, this is very unusual. Yeah, it's fucking rad man really rad thanks will are you in your batman booth in the living room where where are you we're down in the bat cave right now the jack shack i'm in the jack what we call the jack shack so gross that's horrible it's really gross it's named after sean and um uh the Sean.
The sort of that dark sort of subversive nature of some of those songs, that's what I was so surprised to find out that your parents are so close to you guys too and on the road and everything. I was like, oh, so it's not unsafe music.
It's okay. The parents are on board with it.
So it must just be just the skin of it because you know my my daughter was listening to a lot of like oh my god is this is this too adult for her is it is it too and uh and then you see the parent you're like oh no and now i gotta listen to the lyrics we did some interview like right before the first album came out or the album the only one we've put out so far, but right before that album came out, we did some interview on a radio station. And I remember the person interviewing us was like, why is the music you make so dark? Like, why did you make such dark music? And I don't remember exactly what the headline in the news was, but it was just sort of like, you know, it was a dark four years sort of geopolitically.
And there was a lot of like school shootings in the middle of our album. And I remember sort of just saying to her like...
And like forest fires and shit. Yeah, everything was like burning down and people were being shot at festivals and stuff.
And I remember just sort of being so annoyed that... Yeah, why are you guys so dark? Like, guys, the world is dark though, You know? Yeah, I remember just kind of being like, we're just sort of reflecting, like, what we're seeing in the world.
Right, and sort of, it's showing up in your art. It would be hard for it to not, which I was thinking, like, during this lockdown shit, when it's been kind of a dark time, and of course we go ahead and start doing a comedy podcast, and I'm like, God, we're so cynical.
We don't even know the world around us. The thing is that we never went for a dark song or a cynical song.
We were just writing about things we were wanting to write about. And it's the same with this album we're working on.
It's just songs. They all have their own world of, I don't know what I'm saying.
So what do you, because i'm an idiot what is the category of music it's not pop is it electro pop or do you hate subcategories and categories and i don't know i don't know perfect it's just good and it's successful it's just great yeah that's what it is is that what you've been doing in this time so have you guys been working on a on a record this whole year type thing or the whole year for real i mean i don't know how we would have made an album because you know we were planning before covid obviously to make an album and put it out in 2021 but now having had this whole year of break you know yeah i really don't know how we would have done it with the actual schedule that our our year was supposed to be like We weren't even supposed to be home, you know? Yeah, you guys are supposed to be on tour, right? Yeah. All year.
I guess the set lists or whatever you call it when you're playing is going to be so fun on the next tour because it's all the songs you didn't get in the last one and all the new album. People go crazy.
People go crazy. Yeah, I can't.
Are you guys like so ready to get out there and play? Oh, I dream about it. I just, it's all I want.
You don't want to stay home for another eight months? No, I don't, Jason. You're talking to a guy in pajamas.
I think there was a middle period where there was no vaccine, where there was a kind of a surrendering to the whole thing of like, I guess this is forever. And now that there's light at the end of the tunnel, it's worse.
Yeah. It is kind of worse.
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That's betterhelp.com slash smartless. So it sounds like you guys do like being out on the road.
You like the bus, You like the hotels. You like the routine of a show and then going to bed late and sleeping late.
As long as it's thought through and not punishing, yes. What would it look like if it was punishing? Well, there were the first couple years of me being me.
I was 14, 15, and then 16 touring for the first time. And I was also very depressed because I was 14, 15, 16, as you are.
And also, you know, at that level, you really grind. Like, it's the only word I can really come up with.
Because you're in a van you're just doing so much and and and i also was new to fame and suddenly i didn't have any friends because i was famous and i was leaving all the time and it was weird it was really weird so it's just i'm really glad that i grew up a little bit and and have you know found just ways of making it fun um right she loves her crew too i love my crew they're they're all like my friends you know and i also have a rule i don't go on sorry will i also have a rule that i i don't go out on tour straight for like four weeks four weeks is like the max that i'll be fully gone without a break i can come home for like two weeks and go back out but it's just when you're on tour for more than three or four weeks. Four weeks is like the max that I'll be fully gone without a break.
I can come home for like two weeks and go back out. But it's just when you're on tour for more than three or four weeks straight, it just it starts to feel like a chore.
And I really don't want it to feel like a chore, you know, because I love it. And I don't, you know, it's just no, that's that sounds really first of all, that sounds really well thought out.
And that's a very sort of a mature kind of sober approach to it, knowing what your limits

are and knowing what probably if you were to push that, that you would not only with

the product, maybe not be as good, but you'd start to resent the process a little bit.

And you don't want to get into that headspace.

And I was going to ask you about your friends.

Like you mentioned early on when you're out there, when you're 14, 15, you're probably

like you were saying, you, you're not with your friends and you probably have friends back home. That social aspect must be super difficult kind of disconnecting.
So weird. And the big thing was that when you're that age, you don't really know how to talk to grownups and they don't really know how to talk to you.
Right. And other kids my age that I was friends with back home like they're not gonna pause their life and wait for me to get back and do things with me again obviously nobody should do that you know things happen and you move on with your life with or without somebody but it was really hard for me because I just didn't know how to talk to anybody I worked with everybody was you know over know, over 40 and I was 14, 15 and I just didn't, it was just not good.
It just wasn't, and it was waking up at like 8 a.m. to do radio press and having, you know, multiple shows and like acoustic performances and then on camera things, like so many things in a day for a 15-year-old and then I'd get laryngitis and then I'd get like the flu and have to keep doing all this stuff so it did get to a point then where i resented it and then i just talked shit about it all i could do was like fuck fame i hate being famous i hate all and i couldn't go anywhere and i was 14 not being able to like go out in the world and that was super weird because i wasn't used to it because i was a little kid you ever resent the fact that phineas could walk down the street uh you guys are both doing this thing you're pulling equal weight equal time equal creative input but phineas gets the anonymity and he gets to walk down the street and live his life normally i did i was jealous for a while but now i'm like i'm good like now i feel because now i'm i'm confident in my life and I'm very happy with where it is and I would not take it back or change anything really, even though there were a couple years that were really hard because I just think my life is at a place that I just, I'm so grateful for and very aware of how amazing it is and I really enjoy it, you know.
Before COVID and I was doing all these arena tours and stuff.

It was just pure joy, dude.

There's no other feeling.

Were you able to rekindle some of those childhood relationships and friendships?

Um.

The ones that mattered probably.

The ones that mattered, yeah, for sure.

It was kind of good.

You got to drop the ones that didn't matter.

Yeah.

I was so lucky.

I wish I could have dropped so many relationships. Because we have a couple that didn't.
They're going to be on the show in about one minute. Oh, my God.
Hey, Phineas, what was that like for you watching your sister go through that? You're going through it together, but watching her, so much of the spotlight is on her, shining so bright. And you know when that's happening.
He didn't want that shit. Yeah, well, you don't want it, but it's it's kind of like a helicopter light like you can't get out of it and every aspect of your life and so she's your sister and you guys are tight yeah the fame thing was really alarming as a like i mean it would have been alarming as a friend or or anything but as a big brother it was like especially weird because we're talking like

pre-driving years and stuff for Billy too so sometimes I'd be like let's go get lunch and it would just be this pandemonium in a way that I hadn't thought it would be at all and like I remember one time we went and saw a concert and it was oh my god like this was before you know we'd like Billy had security or anything,

and so it was just like her scrawny bouncer brother. Like I was like the worst security detail of all time.
And like just all these kids at this, you know, venue. So it was kind of alarming.
Well, it was also alarming then because it was a small level of fame. Yeah.
But it the moments of bad parts of fame this is a really dark thing to say but like a lot of the the most sort of sinister scary levels of like stalkers and stuff is not like lady gaga fame it's like the first echelon of like a lot of subscribers on youtube yeah because you're not big enough for people to really think you need protection. But you're small enough for people to really get to reach you.
And on a very real note, protection is massively expensive. It's so expensive.
Like until you're making enough money to afford security details, you just can't afford like your own safety anymore. It's very shitty.
It's weird. It's really weird.
Let me just say this. I in los angeles and you guys can't see but i've been working out a lot and so if you need some muscle oh just like on the weekends maybe well just do like the matinees will yeah i'll do security for matinees because i do go to bed at 9 p.m i have just like a stock stupid dumbass question, then roll it out for sure.
Make sure to interrupt the conversation with a stupid question. I want to know.
It's a question you've been asked a billion times, I'm sure, but I don't know the answer, which is what were your early influences as far as songwriting goes? Holy shit. Jesus fucking Christ.
Guys, I'm sorry about that. Are we done?

We're just auditioning.

We're looking for a new third, guys.

As a fan, I want to know.

I want to know who inspired you as songwriters.

And then roll it into your favorite color just after that.

And if you were a tree.

What kind of tree?

Willow. I think both of us are Weeping Willow.
I love a Weeping Willow. Or a cherry blossom.
What a great question. Our inspirations growing up.
Please say mom and dad. Many, many, many inspirations.
Musical. You mean musical, right, Sean? What music do you listen to? Of course I mean musical.
And songwriting. I said in songwriting.
But look, it seems to be a really

horrible question that I can't imagine

anybody would want to know. Do you start

to, when you start getting some of those, like, old

chestnuts, the ones you get in every single

interview, do you guys start to

make each other laugh privately

by answering the same question

with a clearly different answer

that only you both know is

total BS? That's

really funny. It's bad when we have to

do an interview together that's, like, a real

I'll see you next time. with a clearly different answer that only you both know is total BS.
That's really funny. It's bad when we have to do an interview together.
That's like a real serious one. It's bad.
And the questions are always like, oh my God. You know, one time somebody asked us how we met.
Come on. That was nuts.
That was bonkers. Was the person's name Sean Hayes? Was that the interviewer? Just because I think it's blatant, disrespectful to not answer the question, Sean.
I was going to answer it eventually. I was going to answer it.
Sean went into this a fan. He's going to, we're going to finish this.
Oh, that ship has sailed after the first question. No, but I was going to answer it.
I was just going to, I was going to answer it. It's our fault.
It's our, Jason and I have been misbehaving. Sean's been side texting me hateful things about the both of you.
These guys, their egos are enormous. But go ahead, answer your, give them your answer.
We grew up listening to like a ton of The Beatles. That was a huge part of- Big writing inspiration.
Yeah. Lana Del Rey, huge one.
Lana Del Rey was big for us. You loved Green Day.
Yeah. You loved a lot of like underground SoundCloud rap.
Yeah, I did. That was very inspiring.
you guys released that first song on SoundCloud right and it just like what exploded there were you guys watching the numbers tick up did you put it up there hoping that it would get traction or was it just like well we're done with this let's put it up there maybe some people listen to it exactly that second thing you said it was very odd that it got any attention at all the reason we even made it in the first place was because my i danced a lot and my dance teacher was like billy could you make a song and i could like choreograph a dance to it and i thought that was you know the coolest thing i'd ever heard even though it wasn't going to be like anything it was just like you know some random dance but i was like sure and we finney's had this song and we so we whatever we record it blah blah blah and we were gonna just send it to him and not put it up anywhere but we were like i mean it's it's this song we made we might as well put it we're proud of it soundcloud like for our friends to listen to. There was a free download link on it.
We didn't expect anything, though. That's crazy.
Just in the next couple days, it just grew and grew and grew. But it was a small growth.
It was a small growth. It seems like, oh, it went viral, and then I became a star.
Not at all. It got like 1,000 plays.
That's how much. And we were just over the moon.
Your boy Bieber kind of, you launched like that, right? Yeah. By people, fans like you of him.
Yeah. Correct? Don't say your boy Bieber.
She loves Biebs. She might, but just to say, like you're on the inside.
Fuck off, man. Let me tell you something, Arnett.
I cried during- It's so demeaning. That Bieber documentary made me cry.
Okay. And anybody that likes Biebs- Oh, yeah.
I like, so I me tell you something arnett i cried during so demeaning that bieber documentary made me cry okay and anybody that likes oh yeah i like so i'll tell you a true story this is this is embarrassing because i've done so much stupid shit like this i was at the at the u.s open years ago and they do this thing the day before it starts and it was me and will ferrell playing tennis against andy murray and andy roddick and we're playing then there was this kid who was going to play some music right before the thing. It was like on a Sunday.
And the kid's like, hey, Will. He was saying to Feral.
He was like, hey, Will, can I get on a, maybe I should do like a Funny or Die video or something. And I said, I remember saying to Will, I was like, hey, Will, you're super psyched that the nine-year-old wants to do a video with you.
And it turned out it was Justin.

Oh, my God.

Did he do it with him?

Yeah, of course he did.

I was just watching it every day.

He did do it.

He did do it.

That's hilarious.

And I'm so – I had a similar thing, too, with my buddy.

I had his friend.

He's like, I'm spinning.

I'm a DJ.

This is like 1992 in New York.

And he's like, are you going to come to our show? He's like, I got a show down on Canal Street.

I'm like, yeah, I'm coming to your show,

Moby.

Oh, wow.

And then what about, yeah, you kind of

tisk at that stock tip you got

on Netflix and the other one for Uber,

right? Yeah, because I was like,

every movie, every TV show

and movie that you want in your house on your

computer, I was like, yeah, sure, sounds like a great

idea. Can I ask another fan question? Here it comes, guys.
Hold on. Okay.
Thank you. Thank you.
And a lot of these are for my sister in Wisconsin, too. So I am a huge James Bond fan.
I know you guys wrote the song No Time to Die. So two of my favorite things are going to be on the screen at the same time, James Bond and Billie Eilish.
And so I love the song. I love, I think it's amazing.
But here's the thing that I get to ask you, which I've always wanted to ask somebody who wrote a Bond song, performed a Bond song. Did you guys have like, did you have to work with the Bond estate? Do they put certain guidelines or influence on how the song should be? Or do they mold it together? Or do they leave you alone and trust you um great question it that's a great question you're also you're very sweet i i i appreciate all the compliments it's really nice to hear he's vicious you don't need to help him it was very collaborative the beginning of the process which is what somebody says when it's like wasn't collaborative no no no it was it was it was they didn't just say go write a song and it can be anything and then we'll use it it was you know it was would you guys be open to writing a song and we were like um no shit and then basically the steps were they sent us the script from like the first scene the opening scene and that's all we got but it was kind of it kind of showed what the movie was about and then she kind of um barbara broccoli kind of gave us a little bit of what the movie was about and and what barbara broccoli is the producer of all the james yeah and she that was basically what we got and we you know the bond songs are are a very high standard for us.
It's a real honor, and so we wanted to be really good, and we thought about it really hard and worked really hard on it. Well, it paid off.
It's awesome. Thanks.
Well, thank you. It took a couple days of writer's block, and then we came through.
Did it have to hit a certain time? Because it's always over the credits, isn't it? Right. The opening credits? Yeah.
I think the very last step was sort of like um making it the right let's make it exactly this many seconds or something but but yeah i mean it really was this uh it was like on our you know fantasy lifelong bucket list of dreams of like maybe we could do a bond song wow and i think it was one of those things where so after the album had come out it was sort of like of like, what would you be interested in doing? Like, who would you want to collaborate with? And I think our team maybe was expecting us to be like, you know, say some other musician or something. And we were like, if they're making another Bond movie, like, let us know who we could, like, who we could beg to do that.
Wow. The Apple commercial was pretty awesome in that respect as well.
I mean, that's a very pedigreed destination for songs nowadays, isn't it? Yeah, Bond and the Apple commercial thing were both very much like auditions in terms of like they were not an offer. It was like, we'd love to hear what you come up with.
That's true. And then once we had written the thing and presented it to them, they said, let's play ball, which was very sweet of them.
Jason knows a lot about auditions. Tell them, Jason, about your last audition that you had.
The last one? Before Arrested Development. Tell them.
Oh, this is for Can You Hear Me Now? Yeah. Yeah.
Horizon. I got very close to getting that campaign.
And had I gotten it, I don't think I would have gotten Arrested Development. But Jason, if you'd gotten the Can You Hear Me Now campaign, you would now, many, many years later, be the Sprint guy saying, Can you hear that? Yeah.
And I'd have twice as much money. Yeah.
And half as much hair. You know what? I do want to swing back to, in retrospect, Sean's question wasn't as terrible as we gave him shit for it, but it's just more fun to give him shit for it than actually.

But when you went out,

when you first started making your record and you start to record, you write a song or whatever,

did you have somebody in mind, like,

who are the people you go, like, I hope I sound like

or I hope it's going to be like,

like, here are the people that I really love right now,

especially, you know, like, I'm not a musician at all, there i know that i have five people who i'd want to sound like that's a good one um that was oh that was shut up it's not it's not it was a good one it was one i haven't heard before sorry sean no i get it i get it um my james bond was pretty good now god um that was more of a thing that was prominent when we were first starting like when like when we first started making music which was i was 13 and finneis was 17 i think um that's crazy to think about i don't remember feeling that we were that age anyway then it was, you know, because I didn't know my sound at all. I was just like...
We were like pure inspiration from others. Sure, yeah.
And this is a thing I've always talked about, which is that, you know, people get flack for copying others, and I totally feel that and have felt that a lot. But there's like a certain line of just being inspired versus carbon copy.
Do you know what I mean? Because when you're starting out in anything in the world, not just music, you have to try things out to figure out what you like. It's the same with like personalities.
When you're 13, you meet a kid and you're like, oh my God, they're so cool. I want to be more like them.
And you do things like them and you talk like them and you you have to do that to become what you are and that shouldn't be that shouldn't be pushed away like that shouldn't be turned away i guess no we we relate to that we do that i can't speak for these guys but i know that as a performer there are people that i looked up to who i thought were really funny or really witty. I mean, I love David Letterman.
I loved his delivery. I love how dry he is.
And, you know, I was always like, I wish, I hope that I can cut somebody off and be really shitty and witty in the way he is. That's awesome.
Mission accomplished. I know the exact feeling.
But also, you also catch yourself, you as in anyone catches, you know, I do it all the time where I'm like, I'm kind of doing too much like this person that I admire. And you have to just be aware that you're going to end up accidentally copying someone just because you think they're dope.
But I think it's just important to remember that you can be inspired by someone. You just can't completely copy them.
But you can be inspired and you should let yourself be inspired yeah but but instinct is sort of like the the child of being inspired by somebody right like you can't you can't get an idea to be or do something unless you have seen it or a version of it beforehand i mean it just there are no original ideas in. I mean, Tarantino talks about it all the time.
He's a brilliant filmmaker. He's made some brilliant films.
And he is also a student of films. Totally.
He's inspired by so many different styles. Yeah, we listen to so...
The quantity of music we listen to is very, very, very high.

And I think, you know, one of the coolest parts about,

especially working on the second album over the past year,

has been that we're deep enough into our catalog that we're more internal than external.

You just kind of build enough of an environment

where you're kind of pulling from yourself in an interesting way or your own.

I don't know.

Do you feel that way at all, Billy?

I was not listening.

Sorry.

What did you say?

What a great answer.

I was just saying that like when you,

because we're on like your second album

that we've been working on

and it's like now I feel like it's more like

it's just being built upon itself

as opposed to external influence.

Do you know what I mean?

Right.

Sure.

Yeah, I think so. Absolutely.
Well, on that, like do you guys what i mean right sure yeah i think so

absolutely well on that like do you guys when you when you start to write an album or song do you um do you guys try to start as macro as possible like you think about theme or feel or tone and then come up with a melody then come up with lyrics and you start to get more and more and more micro or does it change per song per album it really changes per song um it really does i i forget that like anytime i'm asked a question about how my writing process goes and our writing process i always feel like stupid answering it because i'm like but that's how everyone works and i realized recently that it's not that people write in all sorts of different ways and we write in a certain way and it's usually I mean it is random but it's usually out of you know like three ways ish where it can start with an instrument just playing chords whatever coming up with melodies then coming up with or it starts with a beat, and then it's lyrics and it's melodies, or it's concept, yeah, or it's one lyric, or it's one melody, like that you just, it's random. Do you feel an obligation to have a continuity between all of the songs so that the album is a whole in its tone, in its sound, or given the sort of a la carte nature of the industry now where you don't necessarily have to buy an album.
You can just kind of buy one song at a time. Do you guys feel like, well, let's just make each song great, and if somebody finds a continuity thread through all of them, then so be it, but that's not the drive? I feel the opposite.
I feel a desire to not repeat ourselves. Yeah.
But also, I do think it's important to have a project that feels cohesive, but doesn't feel like a bunch of clones. It's just really been important to me to make music that doesn't sound like my other music.
I want to make a different song every single time. Obviously, you can't really fully 100 but you can kind of do it and what i like about this album we're working on and you know my debut album or whatever is that it it was very different but it felt like from the same project it felt like the same body of work but different enough i don't know if that's even true but i gotta say, I love, I sort of noticed that you keep saying, every time you guys say like debut album and you kind of go or whatever and you're talking about, there's this self awareness.
No, it's really sweet. You get, there is a sort of a built in modesty that you guys have there.
Cause I know it sounds weird saying it and you feel like if I say debut album, I'm bragging. I remember one time somebody saying like, never say the words my and career in the same sentence because you sound like a fucking jerk.
And you're like, well, my career. Like, shut up, you asshole.
But the truth is at the same time, it is, you know, it is your debut album and you are working on your new album. And there is maybe that thing.
I think anyway, Jason could learn. You guys are genuinely, sincerely humble and modest.
Is a part of that not only just the sincerity of it, the genuineness of it, but is there also sort of like a side benefit of if you stay sort of normal and grounded, then you can appreciate all the crazy batshit fun stuff that's happening around it. Oh, my God, yes.

If you get jaded, then it's just like you're yawning on stage.

Oh, my God.

It boggles my mind, the shit that people do.

Right.

Don't make it normal because then it stops being fun, right?

Exactly.

You stop being able to call people batshit, you know?

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Shop in-store and online at Macy's.com from now until Easter on April 20th. What is it that gets you guys really nervous? Now that you guys are very good and accomplished and seasoned at a lot of things that you're doing are you guys thinking about areas that might get you outside your comfort zone well yeah also just performing to to piggyback on jason's question because you already performed at the grammys and the oscars yeah the oscars we were so nervous we were terrible at theys and terrible at the Oscars.
I disagree. We bombed the only two really big performances that we were supposed to do.
I literally, I can't even look at pictures of me performing. I want to puke.
Oh my God. Well, you're good actors then.
The Oscars was so scary. The Oscars was the scariest thing because it's the coolest one of them all.
Because actors are just classier than musicians. Oh, that's so nuts.
They are. It's such a cliche, right? Like actors get nervous around musicians and musicians get nervous about athletes and athletes get nervous about, you know, it's all grass is always greener.
Well, the difference between the Grammys and the Oscars is like everyone at the Grammys walks up on stage and their first thing they say is they're like, wow, I wasn't expecting this. And there's a lot of umming in Grammy acceptance speeches.
It's very floppy. And like Oscar, like everyone, you know, I mean, most of them are actors, but even the, you know, sound mixing Oscar is they have written a speech.
It's so professional and like classy that it's very intimidating and I said that a lot after the Oscars and then there was articles where like Billy Eilish hates the Oscars and I was like no no no guys they're just really scary and I was not used to that environment I've never been to the Grammys but it does seem like sometimes like a battle of who could care less, you know? Yeah, absolutely. People don't even show up sometimes.
Yeah. And they're like, oh, and today he's wearing a small Fiat to, like, that's his wardrobe? Holy fuck.
It's also in the Staples Center and there's like thousands of actual audience members. And I think the Oscars is like, you know, I mean, it's in that, what is it, the Hilton? Oh, the Dolby.
But it's very intimate. Dolby but it's very intimate it feels like wasn't there a question at the beginning I want to know what gets you guys nervous what do you find that you dread like if it's something is planned on a certain day and you wake up in the morning you're like oh that's so good talk shows it's talk shows for me is it? You're so good on talk shows, though.
Take a second look. Hang on, Will.
Take a second look. Right in the middle of a compliment.
It's a fucking bore. Go ahead.
My God. All three of you are great on talk shows.
Well, hang on, Phineas. Thank you.
Go on. No, it's the nerves that get me prepared for it.
You know, if I wasn't nervous, I'd probably be worse. That makes sense.
I get that. It's the anticipation of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
But it is funny though, because you never stop dreading things. I thought that maybe when I got to a certain age or success or whatever, that maybe like I would never dread anything again.
And I dread things every day. I just, normal things.
I just dread them. But that's that normal part of you that

seems so healthy. Don't worry, it only gets worse.

I'm sure it does. But it seems very

healthy. Yeah, but you know what's interesting is

like, you know, Jason and Will

and I have talked about this where I

grew up in Chicago

and so I didn't

grow up at all around any

kind of Hollywood, Los Angeles.

Your voice sounds just like my uncle's voice. Well, he must be gay.
I don't know how Sean beat you to that one, Will. Sorry, go on.
No, I mean, because he's an uncle. Let's just start there.
But no, growing up in Chicago, I would watch, I told Jason, I would watch Jason on TV when I was a little kid and I would watch movies and I would watch all these things and just dream and aspire to, I still,

even when I would go on the universal lot, I would drive just as a year ago, I'd be like,

I can't believe I'm driving on the universal lot. Like it never goes away.
So what was it like for

you guys to grow up in it? Because you don't have the perspective like I had, which was,

it's so unattainable. It's so far away, but you guys actually grew up inside of it.

Thank you. up in it because you don't have the perspective like I had, which was it's so unattainable.
It's so far away. But you guys actually grew up inside of it.
Well, we had that up until we were 13 and 17. So to me, I do feel like I had that because I also grew up a huge fan of like Bieber, for instance, complete fan, like merch, posters, waiting in merch posters waiting in line blah blah blah and just to me just like you're saying it was completely irrational any idea of celebrity in general i was like there that doesn't happen to people so just because you grew up in la doesn't mean you it would accept it any easier? No.
I think that there's like – people think it would. And I think that L.A.
definitely – no, not definitely anything. I don't think it really – I mean for us because we didn't grow up – We didn't have famous parents.
And our parents didn't have – But they were both in the business, right? Sure. Did that make it feel like sort of your pathway into any sort of entertainment was somewhat more sort of natural? They validated our dreams and our aspirations.
They did. But they didn't make them look easy.
No. Yeah.
Yeah. I think that, you know, we had like both our parents worked several part-time jobs because they were in and out of work in terms of acting.
So if anything, it just kind of made us feel like maybe this isn't even ever going to work for us. But, you know, I think the other thing that was, to your point, Sean, maybe it doesn't feel weird if someone ends up doing something that wasn't a fantasy or a dream of theirs prior.
But like, I wanted to make music from the time I was like 11 to the time I was like 18 19 when anyone actually started to care about the music we made and so those years of like i know exactly what i want to do i just have no idea if i'll ever really get a chance to do that right um we're very daunting but it felt completely unrealistic yeah exactly i used to listen i used to listen Fame by, um, what's it called? Standing in the Hall of Fame. And the world's gonna know your name.
And I used to just listen to that and be like, damn, that'd be so crazy. Like, it'd be so crazy if people knew your name.
And I was like, I would listen and be like, there's, like, that doesn't happen, though. It's just, it didn't feel like anything that could ever happen and it still is crazy that it happened.
Does it feel now like you thought it might if you guys were ever able to get as successful as you dreamed of becoming? Now that you're there, does it feel like you thought it would be? It's way better. It is better.
Oh, that's great. That's great.
At this point. What is that? What part are you guys really, really digging? Honestly, the parts that I hated three years ago, those are the parts that I'm digging now.
Fascinating. I don't know really how that works.
What are those parts? What are those parts, yeah. Fame in general.
I used to just despise it. I hated everything it i hated being recognized i hated not being able to go out i hated you know not being able to post a place because then people would show up at that place wherever it was because they just figure out where it was um i really hated everything about it and i felt stupid because i was like wow i have this thing that like is really cool and people would kill for this.
And I don't like it at all. And, you know, I was also forgetting that I was really, really depressed and that can make you hate almost anything.
And I don't really know what changed, but I fucking love fame. I got to tell you, I just I love it.
Is it because you're more comfortable with it because you feel more worthy of it or you like what you're doing with it or? I definitely like what I'm doing with it and I feel more confident in it. I think that there were some years, like the years I'm talking about, where i felt like i had to prove myself all the time yeah especially to kids like i grew up with like we had this we you know we have this like tradition of like going to our friend's house for like what fourth of july or whatever and there was just a couple years where i felt so lame because i i felt like people thought of me as like a, like people that knew me my whole life and I felt like every time I went and saw people I used to know, I had to like prove that I was actually doing pretty well but nobody believes you because you know, they don't think about it because why would your friend that you knew since you were a kid suddenly, of course, I understand that.
Making that leap from feeling weird about it and not knowing how to deal with fame and getting to a place of comfort. I mean, there's a whole, before you guys were born, you two did that record after Joshua Tree, they did that pop record, which was basically Bono's whole sort of struggle with fame.
And he played a version of himself. And I think that a lot of that was him trying to figure out all of a sudden he's Bono and he's doing these great things in the world and then you get to a place and now when you talk to Bono he's very comfortable with who he is yeah because I was just going to say it's so much healthier Billy to say I fucking love fame than not and you've processed it quicker than a lot of people do I feel like I can say it because I hated it.
And so when I say it, I'm not trying to be like, I'm so cocky and I'm, you know, because I have fame. But it's like, I think that we should be aware that, and you guys too, like we should be aware that we have an incredible thing that we get to do.
Yeah, you're very privileged. Look at Jason.
The pandemic is like for Jason, it's been terrible because he hates having to wear a mask. He doesn't want to cover his face because he wants people to know it's him.
And it's fucking killing him.

So I got a mask made with the bottom half of my face from a photo so I can wear the mask. His happiness is pegged to, yeah.

So in five years, in 10 years, 15 years,

you guys still making albums that you love?

Do you see yourselves diversifying into... So in five years, in 10 years, 15 years, you guys still making albums that you love?

Do you see yourselves diversifying into producing other young artists and launching them?

I know, Phineas, you do a lot of that.

And you guys have hit so much success so young.

Do you think about mapping it out?

Like, Jesus Christ, we keep this thing going

for another 30 years.

We're only 50.

Not everybody else has the mind of a serial killer,

Jason.

What do you do?

It's so white hot

already.

I try not to think about it.

I really

have a strong feeling

of wanting to be to have longevity. We think about longevity a lot.
I think, you know, Billy is very multi-talented and has a great eye for visual media and stuff. I think we've talked a lot about how our favorite art, like almost no one has like any more than five good albums.
Most people have like one good album. And then no one has more than five good albums, I think.
And so we kind of are like... Except Drake.
Except Drake. Yeah.
The unlimited supply. Yeah, he does.
He just keeps going. When you're going to listen to music that's not your own, who are you listening to right now? Like who do you...
A lot of the Carpenters, honestly. Really? Wow.
Come on. You don't know what you're missing.
You don't know what you're missing. They're amazing.
We love the Carpenters, just not all the time. So currently, I've been listening to a lot of Julie London.
She's just been setting the mood for me somehow. Also, Arlo Parks just bought an album that's really good.
Yeah. But honestly, I've just been replaying the unreleased songs we have

because I really like them.

Yeah.

And I'm very happy with them and they're good.

When do those change from un to released?

When the album comes out at some point.

Well, when's that, Billy?

I can't tell anyone.

Come on.

Make news.

I can't tell you.

You guys have been super generous with your time.

No, Will.

That's the end of it.

You guys, we've exceeded our promised hour.

It's been so fun, though.

Thank you. You guys have been super generous with your time.
No, Will, that's the end of it. You guys, we've exceeded our promised hour.
It's been so fun, though. We love you both deeply, immensely.
We love you guys. You guys are such huge talents.
Really exciting to meet you guys. We're big fans of you guys, so this is very exciting.
Even after this talk? I listen to SmartList. My girlfriend and I both listen to it all the time.
Come on. And because I feel like we've cyber-bullied Sean on this episode, I wanted to close with my favorite thing Sean's ever said, which is during like an ad read at one point, Jason, you go, yeah, I just had an energy bar.
And Sean goes, oh, when does that kick in? I thought that was a fire. That made me like howl laugh.
That really killed me. It's so funny.
I love that. There's a lot of cruelness that gets thrown around this Zoom chat.
Well, it's cruelty. And there's your education rearing its ugly head again.
So thank you. You guys, you're the best.
Guys, thank you. It was so exciting to meet you for me truly and for all of us.
I just really, really, truly, honestly, a huge fan. Thank you, guys.
Thank you for doing this. Continued success.
Push that album out soon, please. We'd like more music.
We'll try. We love you guys.
Thanks for having us. Such a treat.
Bye, you guys. Thank you.
Wow. Now, listen, you know, I'm a parent.
I hope my kids grow up to be like that and that they still get along and they're productive. Did we talk about this before? Would you guys ever homeschool or did you? I've got my own scars of sort of like not being involved in a regular school as a kid and sort of losing out on the social structure of it all that I would not.
But that's only because of my own baggage. You know, I'm sure it's great.
I'm sure it's fine. Right.
That's interesting. Will, would you ever homeschool Archie and Abel? No.
This is the closest we've come to it, obviously, during the pandemic. It's not going well? Well, no.
I mean, it's going as well as it's going for everybody. It's very, very trying.
And I think that what we're missing is that socialization. And, you know, you can't stress enough how important that is, I think, for my kids.
But Billy and Phineas, they seem great. But they've turned out great.
I know, I know. That's the thing.
It's like, but like where do they go to like, how would you meet a boyfriend or a girlfriend if you're homeschooled? I don't know. And they're like four years old.
He's like four years older than her too or something, right? So like they weren't, like my kids, it's different for them even during this pandemic because they're so close in age. You know, a lot of their friends are very similar and, you know, of similar age.
It must be tough when you're a younger sister and your brother's four years older than you. Yeah.
That's a huge you know you're you're a freshman while your brother's a senior in high school yeah and that's that's a big how do you do school together yeah yeah i've always wondered that i just i think it's fascinating like i read this about billy eilish and her parents and that they just uh constantly reinforced creativity around the house so you couldn't get that at a public school. I mean, yes, you can in certain programs and stuff, but it's constant at home.
It's always constant. I'm sure they're reaping the benefits of having such a stable upbringing and such a close and healthy relationship with their parents that they're in this in this this you know this cauldron of anxiety or temptation or um you know that they've got that solid home base is probably really helpful for them if i had kids i if and i saw that as an example i'd be like yeah maybe i should homeschool but we do have like we we have the three of us have mutual friends uh um i can think of a couple people who have who homeschool their kids and it really works out for them yeah and it so happens that because of their because of how much they're in the public eye and how well known they are that it really works i mean apart from the fact that it worked for them in terms of travel and stuff because of work but also because of that level of of you know notoriety and now because of covid everybody'sing.
Yeah, and so, like, first of all, it's served them well during COVID because they're like, we know what we're doing in this environment. So the last year and a half has been good.
Exactly. And, but also, you know, they've figured it out.
Jason, did you know Billy to bring her on the show? And by the way, great guests. Thank you very much.
Unbelievable guests. I met them at Kimmel's show and they were super complimentary about Arrested Development.
And they liked Ozark. So Sean, Arrested Development is a TV show.
But let me finish. But what they really loved was Cheers.
So Sean, you... Yeah.
Okay, great. And how long, Sean, were you on Cheers? So, you know, I was a first-a-day player.
Yeah. And then I did a really good job.
Expanded him to the postman. Yeah, we're great.
Oh, you did the post guy. Oh, man, I love that.
How are you? Ah, Normie. Hey, Normie.
Nom. Nom.
Nom. Anyway, Billy and Finn were fantastic, weren't they?

Yeah, they're an inspiration to every brother and sister out there. Bye.

Bye.

Smart.

Yes.

Smart. Smart.
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