"Dax Shepard"

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Speaker 2 Welcome to Smartless with Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and me, Will Arnett. Each week, one of us brings on a special guest and surprises the other two.

Speaker 2 They don't know who the guest is, which makes it fun. And then we laugh and we get a little less smartless.
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Speaker 1 Will you just congratulations?

Speaker 2 You just had a baby.

Speaker 3 That's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 It should be noted, my partner had a baby.

Speaker 2 Oh, I didn't do it.

Speaker 1 But you pushed just as hard.

Speaker 2 I sure did. I pushed it.
Pushed her thing. Yeah.
I was like, what are you made of? I was like the great Santini in the delivery room.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, just had a baby boy, little Denny.

Speaker 1 That's incredible.

Speaker 2 Just last night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So crazy. Do I look tired?

Speaker 5 You do. So

Speaker 5 way to hang in there with your girl. So you just thought you'd pop over for a podcast, huh?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, somebody's got to pay the doctor bills. Do you understand? We don't have health care in this country.
Like, I'm just.

Speaker 1 Are they both still in the hospital?

Speaker 2 Are they both? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And where are you? You're at home and

Speaker 5 doing a podcast.

Speaker 2 That's great. Wow.

Speaker 5 So you got a pretty stiff deductible, I guess.

Speaker 2 And I had to come home and sauna and cold plunge first. I mean, listen,

Speaker 2 this chassis, as you would say, Jason, it's no fluke. Okay.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's no, I actually, as you guys know, I was a little late getting here. I,

Speaker 2 all of a sudden, I stood up and I was like, babe, I'll be right back.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Based out and jumped in the car, drove home, got on here doing this, and I'm going to be right back at it.
But I just actually came from feeding him myself.

Speaker 2 He took a little extra in the bottle, and it was just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm talking about Jason. Yeah, no, I I got him.
I gotta look at him.

Speaker 1 He looks like he's about to poop any second.

Speaker 5 I think maybe I should probably have like a lift, some sort of like, isn't there a thing where you can kind of like cinch up your forehead a little bit and

Speaker 5 lift your brow back?

Speaker 2 Interested when Ed Begley had the eyes because he had alpicia. And then he put his eyebrows on upside down? And I go, God, you look surprised.
And he says, oh, do I?

Speaker 2 Sorry, I must have put my eyebrows too high.

Speaker 5 No, no, he said, I think I put my eyebrows on upside down.

Speaker 1 Guys, I'm super excited about our guest today.

Speaker 1 He's a fellow that we know, we all know, and we love very much. He's originally from the suburbs of Detroit.
And this, I didn't know, graduated magna cum laude from UCLA in anthropology.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 1 I did not know that. And I've known this man for a long time.
He's been very successful in everything he does. Andy Richter.

Speaker 6 Movies.

Speaker 1 Movies, TV shows.

Speaker 3 to his marriage, to being a father, to his own podcast, from which we could all learn a thing or two.

Speaker 2 Dax Shepard. Yes.

Speaker 1 I love this man. He's one of my besties.
He's one of the kindest

Speaker 2 smartest people ever. Dax Shepard, I got it.
Today on Smartlist, we have with us the amazing Dax Shepard, everybody. Magna cum.
Hang on.

Speaker 2 When you said Magna Cum Lata, I knew that because I'm not jealous of the fact that he's got it. It fills me with so much joy because one of the things about Dax is you look at this son of a gun.

Speaker 2 He's got an attitude. He's got the cutoff shirts that I love.
He's got the guns. He's got the whole thing.
And then this motherfucker is sneaky smart like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 5 Wait a second, Dax. How come you didn't let us know, me know ever that you graduated Magna Cole? That seems to be like something from UCLA.

Speaker 2 Yeah, from UCLA.

Speaker 6 Under promise, over deliver, boys.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, wait. I have to write that.

Speaker 6 Get the guard down. Get the guard down.
Chauncey Gardner it, and then sweep in and get all your women.

Speaker 5 I'm kind of dead serious. I'm really

Speaker 6 your lady, although I've not met her and she's just with child. She's mine.

Speaker 2 I knew that.

Speaker 4 It's cutthroat. Is the kid yours too?

Speaker 6 I don't want another kid for crying out loud. No, I just want another bedmate.

Speaker 2 If he wanted it, he'd take it.

Speaker 5 Wait, are you dipping right now? Hang on a second. Are you dipping right now?

Speaker 4 You're dipping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're chewing. Dax is chewing.

Speaker 5 Wait, do you have, do you have, do you have chewing tobacco in your mouth right now?

Speaker 6 Let's just put me right on blast four eyes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no. Oh, sorry.

Speaker 2 You want to go down this road?

Speaker 6 Do you want to start picking fights, lighting fires?

Speaker 5 Magna cum laude and dipping.

Speaker 2 Jason, here's where you could learn from Dax. When I did Dax's podcast, he let me up there in his space.
He let me blow some darts, and I was killing the butts, and he never mentioned it on the air.

Speaker 2 And then he comes on here. He's not on here six seconds before you're blowing up his spot.

Speaker 5 Wait, is that a secret?

Speaker 5 Are you supposed to keep that quiet?

Speaker 2 Chewing tobacco?

Speaker 1 I know. I never knew that.
I never knew that about it.

Speaker 5 I think it offsets his magna cum laude

Speaker 5 quite nicely.

Speaker 6 Exactly. And in the rare event that there's like 10 or 15 young men who look up to me, I find it hard to believe, but I certainly wouldn't want them packing a dip just to be like me.

Speaker 6 I'm not trying to promote that. Now, look, yeah, do I have

Speaker 6 some bad habits still? Yeah, I've cleaned up a bunch of them, but there's some left. And this chewing tobacco, look, I'm on and off it, on and off, and in quarantine, I'm all the fucking way on it.

Speaker 1 It's not the loose stuff, though.

Speaker 5 They're bandits, right?

Speaker 6 No, no, I got a big, let me, let me, let me.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, look at that thing.

Speaker 1 Have you ever swallowed it by mistake?

Speaker 6 Probably while drunk, drinking.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know, out of a, out of an old beer bottle that I've been spitting in. It happened.

Speaker 1 My brothers used to chew and would swallow and then throw it up.

Speaker 6 To manage their weight?

Speaker 2 No, because they were probably drunk.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of things happen.

Speaker 6 That's what I loved about being a drunk, and I think a few of you can relate, is that you'd show up on vacation.

Speaker 6 You don't need a game plan, just have a couple of cocktails at the bar, and everything else presents itself. You meet someone next to you that you would never hang out with, but you're lit.

Speaker 6 He's got a come to my bungalow. Great.
He's got these pills. Now we heard of a dance club.
You know, everything just happens.

Speaker 6 All you got to do is just get that first drink down, and everything takes care of itself. And in sobriety, when I went on vacation, I'm like, what? What?

Speaker 6 Go by the pool and watch other people pound cocktails responsibly?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Wait, so, but what age were you when you started doing all that?

Speaker 2 Partying? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, I had a year in high school where I actually spoke to my mother and I said, Look, I know dad's an alcoholic and everyone in the family's an alcoholic, but I'm going to need to find out for myself.

Speaker 6 And she said, I really wish you wouldn't do this, but I'm going to allow it. But with the understanding that if it gets out of control, you promise me you'll listen to me.

Speaker 6 And I said, yeah, I can commit to that. And then I was woken up one Saturday morning because the local law was at the house on a Saturday morning and they wanted to speak to her son.

Speaker 6 And that proved to be the nail in it. So I then shut it down for my full senior year because I respected her.
And then I went back at it when I graduated. And then I did 11 hard years.

Speaker 2 Good for you. Good for you for getting back at it, too, because a lot of guys would have given it up and just thrown in the towel.
But this guy's got to get up and get it.

Speaker 2 He's got an engine on him that don't quit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I said, Look, I think this law enforcement showing up at my house in the morning, that's got to be an anomaly. That can't happen again.

Speaker 1 Now, Dax, I want to, I truly do want to know.

Speaker 1 I've always wanted to ask you, because when you said you started this podcast, I don't know, two years ago, three years ago, I don't know how long ago it was, two and a half.

Speaker 1 And you were like, I'm doing this podcast. I'm in my attic.
I'm like, what? I didn't understand. Like,

Speaker 1 what made you want to do it?

Speaker 6 I was a pretty regular guest on some of them. And the feedback I got, say, from Mark Maron, where

Speaker 6 dozens of dudes had stopped me over the years and said, like, hey, man,

Speaker 6 I listened to that episode.

Speaker 6 Pretty often, I got sober after hearing it. And I always, I always kind of go back to it.
Like, I had so many guys tell me that. And I was like,

Speaker 6 I don't feel that when I'm in a movie looking in a barrel over Don Johnson's shoulder. No one stops me and says that got me sober, although certainly someone got sober because of that.

Speaker 6 But I was just, I was really, really moved with the

Speaker 6 response of being a guest on like Sam Jones,

Speaker 6 Mark Marin, a few of the long form ones. And as all of us have done, we're all comedians and we've all done a million talk shows.

Speaker 6 You know, that pressure to be amazing in six minutes,

Speaker 6 which is fun. I love it.
I love being on talk shows.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 I wanted for for like, oh, I'm, I have more thoughts and I have more to offer and I have a bigger story to tell and I want to do it.

Speaker 6 But just again, largely just enjoying being on the long form ones so much and generally being open to being on people's and just always loving the experience.

Speaker 6 I was like, I want to do this all the time.

Speaker 2 But do you miss like.

Speaker 2 I've worked with each one of you individually for months at a time on multiple projects. And one of the things I love and

Speaker 2 it's probably one of of the reasons I do this is because I love that experience, not just doing the scene, but I love hanging out with guys like you and people like you and gals like you, like having fun and laughing.

Speaker 2 I've had some of my greatest experiences working have been with all three of you guys where I've had a great time.

Speaker 2 Likewise. Do I

Speaker 6 see the whole reason to do the job after a while?

Speaker 2 It's such a blast. And so, and

Speaker 2 formed really great lifelong relationships with all three of you guys. So

Speaker 2 does that, do you miss that part of it? Do you feel like alone or no?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 I just shot, you know, 28 episodes of Bless this Ness, and I'm also on Top Gear, and I also host a game show. So I'm doing more than enough of that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 6 And in fact, it's,

Speaker 6 yeah, more and more with it, when you just look at the amount of energy required and time committed and two kids and all that, less and less do I want to be on a a like scripted show that takes 65 hours a week nine months of the year it's just yeah it's it's less and less appealing to me uh you know all my all my acting aspirations are are gone uh in a healthy way what about your directing stuff though because you're a great director and you're able to to you know juggle a bunch of balls at the same time and guide multiple departments and and shape an experience for an audience.

Speaker 5 Is that something that you think you'll return to? I mean, I recognize it's a bit of a time suck and you're super busy, you know, on the top of the hill.

Speaker 5 But, you know, do you see that sometime in the future?

Speaker 2 Because you did.

Speaker 1 You used to say how much you loved it.

Speaker 6 I love it. There is nothing more fun than when you're in production directing.
To me, it's the closest thing you can get to doing cocaine with kind of no downside.

Speaker 6 You're just when you're there as an actor, as you guys know,

Speaker 6 you're like, when are we getting out of here?

Speaker 6 I arrive and I ask,

Speaker 6 when are we getting out of here? As a director, the thing flips entirely where it's like, how long can we stay? I want to shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. Now, maybe we could add this thing.

Speaker 6 And like, just that flip of wanting to be there and wanting more time and

Speaker 2 the control, the control of

Speaker 6 solving problems as they arise. Because

Speaker 6 there's no game plan for a movie unless you have 130 days like Tarantino and you can sit around and wait for the sun to be where you thought it was going to be, X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 6 You know, Bateman, you do it all the time. You map something out.
You got there. You guys got there three hours later.
The sun's now in a different spot.

Speaker 6 You're now shooting on that side of the street instead of this side of the street. And I love solving problems.
So I love going, okay, well, how can we make this work on the other side of the street?

Speaker 6 That's very stimulating for me. So I love it.
Do I love editing for four months and then testing over and over again? I fucking hate that.

Speaker 6 Do I love promoting and getting tracking for fucking two months, knowing you're just going and promoting for no reason and it's going to tank.

Speaker 6 You know, all that stuff that the risk reward is just unappealing to me.

Speaker 5 Currently, that part of it's dead, though.

Speaker 1 I'll bet you that part of it. It is.

Speaker 6 You're so right. So, would I want to like write a pilot and shoot the pilot? Yeah, I think I would like to do that.
That seems like something that would be manageable.

Speaker 6 And then you're not so dependent on the studio to promote it and all these other things. But yeah, just the heartbreak of like like two years

Speaker 6 and then your whole life's decided on a Friday. I just don't need that again.
It'd be like for me,

Speaker 6 you know, having a boyfriend that kicked my ass and going back to that, why would I do that to myself?

Speaker 6 Two and a half months of shooting isn't worth that to me. I last year as a mantra, as a mantra, I would be saying, your opinion's not needed here.
Like just as a, everywhere I go,

Speaker 6 your opinion is not needed here because I think everyone must hear my opinion on all fucking fucking topics.

Speaker 2 And it's just, these people are doing just fine when I'm not around, guiding me with my genius. Right, right.

Speaker 2 How do they make it without you? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I think, but Chris and I have both said that to each other in fights. Like, do you think that I just arrived here by accident? Like, I was doing plenty good without you.

Speaker 6 I was eating and taking dumps and showering. Everything was, the bills were paid.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Now, Dax, I know, I know you jumped around because we were the last time we talked

Speaker 1 a week ago or two weeks ago, you said you had mentioned about jumping around from house to house when you were a kid, from stepfather to stepfather.

Speaker 1 And it was very uneasy and kind of like, you know, I had a hard childhood too, as you know, but like, yes.

Speaker 1 But why talk about that a little bit and like why that was unstable for you and what did that drive you to do or not to in your adult life?

Speaker 1 Like, how do you, and by the way, was comedy an escape from all of that as well? Did you like, I got to get out of here. The only way to deal with this is drugs, alcohol, and laughing.

Speaker 2 Sorry, and Dax, be warned. This is a 14-prong question.
Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, I'm going to parse this out.

Speaker 6 I think I heard why are you a comedian and why are you an alcoholic? So let me try to sum that up.

Speaker 2 Oh, so I'm coming through loud and clear then. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And you guys are, you guys are five-hour episodes.

Speaker 2 This is going to be a two-parter. Special episode.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because I just, I want to plot out my answer. I want to come, I want to land the plane in under three.

Speaker 2 Can I just say before you start, can I just say before

Speaker 2 you start your answer, can I just say, because I don't think it came out enough, how goddamn happy I am that Dax is here. Yes, it's pretty good.
This is such a fucking joy.

Speaker 2 I've just, I don't know if you heard Dax. I had a kid.

Speaker 2 My son was born yesterday at a newborn, and I'm sitting here with three of my fucking old-timey pals, and this feels so goddamn good, and I'm so happy it's you. Go ahead.

Speaker 5 Listen to all the love oozing out of this softy new dad. I love it.

Speaker 2 I can wish I could.

Speaker 6 How masculine is Arnett?

Speaker 4 He just can't have a girl.

Speaker 2 Like, you and I can only have girls. Exactly.

Speaker 6 And this guy's on Propecia and still making boys.

Speaker 5 Nothing but testosterone coming out of him.

Speaker 6 That was my explanation for having all girls. I'm like, it must be the propecia.
I'm on netrohydroxy testosterone.

Speaker 2 I am on nothing but propecia. That's all I do.

Speaker 6 If you kept going, you'd have a fucking football team on your hands in no time, Arnett. It's crazy.
anyways. An entire police force.
Okay, so

Speaker 6 look, I have a genetic predisposition. I come by it honestly.
A lot of shepherds were alcoholics. I got some uncles that shot each other.
A lot of people in prison

Speaker 6 were all from northern Kentucky that migrated to Michigan. So that's the gun.

Speaker 6 And then what loaded it is, you pointed out, was you know, lots of stepdads, some physical violence, some sexual abuse, and then

Speaker 6 a penchant for fucking fun-loving life. So, you know, just a thrilling, but I would say probably the biggest catalyst was

Speaker 6 with the absence of a father figure giving me approval, I sought it with reckless abandon from my peers. And my peers were all about how hard could you party? How could you fight?

Speaker 6 How far could you jump a motorcycle? How long could you wheelie? And I was like, sign me up for all these.

Speaker 6 I want the masculine credentials. I want to be a man.
And I did all those things.

Speaker 2 It should be noted that

Speaker 2 you probably did those things more than all those people who challenged you to knowing Dax.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 6 all those things happen at the same time on some occasions.

Speaker 6 Show up lit on a motorcycle to the bar and start swinging.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 you can dovetail them all into one explosion.

Speaker 6 And then, yeah, unlike you gentlemen,

Speaker 6 I was auditioning for 10 years in L.A.

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 could not get a job, couldn't book a commercial. And that was

Speaker 6 rough. And yeah, Booze was a nice little vacation from that.

Speaker 1 Hard to see everybody around you kind of, especially you were at the Groundlings, which is kind of like Second City and all of the other improv classes.

Speaker 1 Hard to be around all those other people who are like booking stuff left and right. And you were in the Groundlings with Melissa McCarthy and just all these huge names.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I would go home and I'd pop on the TV to watch basketball and all of my classmates and peers were selling auto insurance and fast food.

Speaker 6 And they were all just quietly making like, you know, 70 grand a year doing commercials.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I instead was driving cross country for General Motors to make ends meet.

Speaker 1 Which I'm sure they were jealous of.

Speaker 6 They were so jealous. They were like, how many hours are you in that car on the weekend? I'm like, around 72.
I think I even blew by Bateman and his buddy on their infamous ski trip in that van.

Speaker 5 Now, all right, now, now listen.

Speaker 2 Wait a second, wait a second. What is this story? Leaf Garrett?

Speaker 5 It was a 40-foot bounder, not a van. How dare you?

Speaker 2 Was it Lee Garrett?

Speaker 5 Oh, God. Have I never told you this story?

Speaker 2 Give people context.

Speaker 2 Come on, yeah. Give us context, Bates.

Speaker 6 I tried to get it all out of him on my podcast, but it was too dangerous. So maybe on his, he'll feel empowered to tell us the truth.

Speaker 1 You got to. You have to now.

Speaker 6 In his retelling on my podcast, there's just some gaps in time that he has no explanation for, but we all know what the fucking thing is.

Speaker 5 I think we went down a rabbit hole about

Speaker 5 wiping techniques. I think that's exhausted our time.

Speaker 2 Oh, I heard that.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 5 Laif and I were buddies

Speaker 5 because

Speaker 5 Lafe Garrett, yeah, he was dating my sister and

Speaker 5 I, I just thought he was just the coolest thing in the world. And then they broke up and he and I stayed friends and I was thrilled about it.
And he was a great skier and knew his way around

Speaker 5 a bottle of booze. And

Speaker 2 he admired his skiing prowess.

Speaker 5 And everything else. No, this guy, this guy's it.

Speaker 5 And then I pitched,

Speaker 5 I wanted to just take him away. You know, I wanted him all to myself.
So I said, hey,

Speaker 5 how about we go on a ski trip, Angel? And

Speaker 4 he said, great.

Speaker 5 So we rented

Speaker 5 a motorhome,

Speaker 5 stocked it up with all you can handle.

Speaker 6 Read between the lines.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we put two mountain bikes on the roof so

Speaker 5 we could travel

Speaker 5 from the RV parking lots into the main town, wherever we'd go. And we plotted a loop.

Speaker 5 We went north from Los Angeles to Mammoth, then we went to Tahoe, then we went to Jackson Hole, we went to Sun Valley, we went to Aspen, we went to

Speaker 1 a lot of places, yeah.

Speaker 2 Utah.

Speaker 1 We don't need the itinerary.

Speaker 6 Well, but you put some miles on it.

Speaker 5 But that's significant.

Speaker 2 Where'd you gas up up in between?

Speaker 4 Oh, so it took a couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 I would say the beauty of the story is in the details, Bateman.

Speaker 2 Okay, don't scare us any.

Speaker 6 I love every one of these stops.

Speaker 5 I can't do any more details than just destinations.

Speaker 5 Mostly because I can't remember.

Speaker 5 Once we turned the rig off, things got a little cloudy.

Speaker 2 It should be noted, as hardcore as that is, and you guys are going on this trip or you're filling the RV full of party supplies and stuff, the nerd element is, and we had the mountain bike so we could go from wherever our destination to the town.

Speaker 2 Like, what, nerd?

Speaker 6 And that's a new development for me. Can I tell you, what I thought when you originally told me there were mountain bikes involved and skis, I was like, God bless these guys.

Speaker 6 They're doing some downhill mountain biking. Like, I assume when they come out of elevation and it gets warmer, they're in Moab maybe on the mountain bikes.

Speaker 2 No, no, it's drunk. No, no, no, this is WAX shy.

Speaker 5 No, it's a winter trip. So we're riding these mountain bikes in the snow,

Speaker 5 pretty lit up.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 6 it was tough. Do you remember my first follow-up question when you told me that story privately?

Speaker 5 I do not.

Speaker 6 I said,

Speaker 6 if and how often were you and Laife both making love in the same RV at the same time?

Speaker 2 It's close quarters. I bet I had a pretty colorful answer for that.

Speaker 2 Listen, this is great. And I love, thank you, Dax, for saying make love.
Good for you. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, this is a couple of thrill seekers, romantics. They're on the road.

Speaker 5 Not a fuck trip.

Speaker 5 This was beautiful mountains and making love and rivers and light snow.

Speaker 2 Dax, because

Speaker 1 I want to get back to life stuff because I love it. And I wasn't there in the story, so I'm kind of bored by it.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Okay, Sean, I'll spice it up for you. Any dudes come in that fucking.

Speaker 2 Jesus God. This is all of a sudden.
They swing their wangs around at all. My earphones just popped up a little bit.
Trust me, you guys are seeing.

Speaker 2 You guys know when you work with Sean, it's like, yeah, your line, your line, your your line.

Speaker 4 My line.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Your line, your line. Everybody else talks to everybody else.

Speaker 1 So, obviously, the four of us have been friends for a super long time and know everything about each other or almost everything about each other. I didn't know them about the magnum culaude.

Speaker 1 But for the people listening who don't know, like, you're one of the funniest people I've ever known, Dax.

Speaker 1 And like, when you were going from house to house, stepfather to stepfather, like, for me, I didn't, I didn't fall into the trap of drugs and alcohol like the three of you did.

Speaker 4 Not yet.

Speaker 1 So it's not a competition. So

Speaker 1 not not yet.

Speaker 1 And so my true escape, my nerd escape was Saturday Night Live and comedy because it made me, if I could laugh or make other people laugh, it made me feel euphoric.

Speaker 6 That's my, that was my corny, dumb, nerdy drug because I didn't do drugs, right?

Speaker 1 So for you running around doing all that,

Speaker 1 who were your influences and who were, who did you watch? And was comedy as much of an escape as a drug like it was for me?

Speaker 6 Okay, so what I love about this is I'm juggling three balls and I'm juggling Sean Hayes and Bateman and Arnett and it's great. So which hand of mine?

Speaker 2 Which hand of mine?

Speaker 6 You're in the air right now.

Speaker 2 You're in the air.

Speaker 6 But to answer your question, so what I like about it is I'm clicking back from sincere to getting roasted. But

Speaker 6 to that, I would say The other element was I was, you know, severely dyslexic and I went to the learning disabled room for an hour a day and they knocked on the the door and they basically brought me and the other guy out you can imagine what he looked like

Speaker 6 it was demoralizing and yeah my defense for that was I was I was funny but but I think it now you know that I'm older I really recognize it's control. Every one of these things is control.

Speaker 6 Why I like cars and motorcycles, it's all control. And why I like comedy is control because I'm in an awkward, we're all awkward.
We all have social anxiety.

Speaker 6 And I have this thing where I could take charge of the whole interaction and I could steer it and I could do something and get a predictable outcome. And I loved that predictability.

Speaker 6 I think my childhood was largely unpredictable and sometimes dangerous. And just having a sense of control of my environment and the people in it, that's what appealed to me.

Speaker 6 A lot of comedians will go, like, oh, I just love the joy of making other people laugh.

Speaker 6 Not me. I like control.
I like predictability.

Speaker 6 I'm not that altruistic.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I get that from you.

Speaker 5 Well, then that sets up well for what you're killing right now, right? And I want to talk about that. I mean, I think it is

Speaker 5 incredible, awesome, fantastic news that you're just right up on top of the mountain with what you're doing with your podcast.

Speaker 5 I just like, and, you know, we're three morons trying to see if we have any idea what the hell we're doing in this space.

Speaker 5 So I want to try to pick your brain a little bit and try to keep it entertaining about how we try to do this half as good as you're doing it. But just, I do want to say,

Speaker 5 I've told you privately, I want to tell you publicly. I just, I'm so happy for you with how incredibly successful your podcast is.

Speaker 5 And do you like the dynamic of the control of that where you know who the guest is, what the questions could, should be, what the angle is going to be, and then kind of pivoting inside of that and trying to be a little bit flexible, yet still in control.

Speaker 5 I mean, is that an appealing thing, I'd bet, yeah?

Speaker 6 For sure. It's like it's downright euphoric when it goes well, when you really do,

Speaker 6 not to get corny, but you, you can reach a state of flow in this. It happens to me all the time where, you know, I interviewed Yuval Harari and they're like, he's got to leave in an hour.

Speaker 6 And I was like, okay. And then all of a sudden I saw the person like signaling us he had to go.
And in my mind, I would have bet my children's life on the fact that we had been talking for 12 minutes.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And an hour had gone by.

Speaker 6 And I was like, oh my God, that reminds me of, you know, other aspects of our work where that can happen it happens to me in the editing room right where it's like you're so hyper focused on this thing and all of a sudden you're like oh my god I've been editing for six hours that's crazy or you know I think any I get that on the motorcycle track any time I'm present, I'm not worrying about what Dax needs in the future or what I don't have now.

Speaker 6 As soon as I escape that prison of my brain, I'm really happy and I enjoy it.

Speaker 6 And yeah, there is this great sense of, it's not unlike acting too, where it's like, if you get into a scene and it's really sloppy and things are changing and you're reacting and then all of a sudden some magic kind of happens.

Speaker 6 And that to me, that the podcast is like, it's two hours of my favorite aspect of acting. Like, can I listen? Can I respond? Can I elevate this? And

Speaker 6 I have found it,

Speaker 6 you know, I directed three movies and the whole goal of directing a movie in theory would be that you're going to let someone in on your point of view, how you're processing this world around you and yet you're confined by the three act structure and you're combined you're confined by the rules of aristotle and poetics there's all these things you're confined by and then i realized on the podcast like oh i sit down for two hours you're in my fucking point of view you if there was ever a fast pass to my point of view it is that podcast and it's what normally takes me two years to do and i don't even succeed when i make so has has it made directing and acting less important then i mean you're getting getting satiated with this yeah yeah you know it's funny is I heard Joe Rogan about five years ago say he had no desire to act and I as a cynical piece of shit thought

Speaker 6 oh that's bullshit he's just not getting asked to act anymore and that's his story now

Speaker 6 uh and now i i i completely i totally believe him and it's not that i don't have a desire to act or anything it's just that yeah this is fucking incredibly fulfilling i don't have to get hair and makeup i drive to my guest house above my garage.

Speaker 6 There's so many elements that are heaven about it.

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Speaker 2 One of the things that's really great, this is more of sort of an observation, is that, and I bet the other guys will back me up on this, is that you are a guy who's very, very interested in the world around and you're very interested in other people and how other, what other people's perspectives are.

Speaker 2 You're often blown away when confronted with somebody else's perspective. It's really cool to watch and be like, wow, this motherfucker thinks this, that's crazy.
But not bad, more like, that's wild.

Speaker 2 That's not how I looked at it. And

Speaker 2 you hear that when you talk to people. So, well, one thing was, I don't know if you guys watched that Michael Jordan documentary.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 4 And it's hit me a couple times.

Speaker 6 To say I watched it's not fair. Yeah, it's not easy.
And injected it or something. It's so great.

Speaker 2 And do you remember the part where the guy said, Jordan wasn't the best, fastest runner, the best shooter, whatever, but never has there been somebody who's been more in the present moment than that guy.

Speaker 2 He's always in the present moment. And I think that that's what you're kind of touching on.
That desire to be, I understand that. And

Speaker 2 I understand it to the extent that I'd love to be able to connect with it as much as possible because when I do, it feels so fucking good.

Speaker 2 And that's what I hear coming through from you, like that desire to be right there in that moment, like you said, when you're on the motorcycle track or doing the podcast, right?

Speaker 2 Like that's the kind of zone you want to live in.

Speaker 5 Eric Stern does that really well. There's a sincere curiosity about other people's perspectives

Speaker 5 and really stays engaged in his conversations with people. You do that incredibly well, too.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I got to tell you, so two things. One, I just want to give full credit to AA.
Their whole reason I'm any of the things you guys might compliment is from AA.

Speaker 6 15 years ago, you would have liked me. I almost a blast at the party and I would have fought for you guys, but that it would have ended there.

Speaker 6 You wouldn't have asked me to like help you do anything and expect me to show up. So I give all credit to that.
And then

Speaker 6 also, I just want to say, as far as the podcast and as far as you guys are concerned, I asked Chris Hardwick because I had him on.

Speaker 6 early and he's obviously done tremendous in this and i said what advice do you have for me and he said uh He said, You know, the less and less I prepare, the better I am.

Speaker 6 He said, Because inevitably, if you're trying to lead someone to a story, best case scenario, you'll hear that story. Great, but you already knew that story.
So there's limits to your engagement.

Speaker 6 You can only be so interested in something that you already know the outcome of. And it's palpable.
And he said, you know, be flexible. Let the thing go where it goes.
Don't try to steer it, you know.

Speaker 6 Have some flags planted, but you know, really be open to what can can happen. And

Speaker 6 the more, the times that I get into a state of flow is like the piece of paper

Speaker 6 vanishes, you know. I mean, obviously, you should come in prepared enough that if the person's a fucking dud, you can walk them through it.

Speaker 2 But also,

Speaker 6 as soon as you get that green light that there's someone that can run, then you just fucking join them, you know?

Speaker 2 And to that, who do you think, maybe you don't want to say, but

Speaker 2 can you think of a person who was potentially the biggest surprise in the sense of where you thought it was going to go and where you ended up? Was there one person who stood out to you as like, wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well,

Speaker 6 first and foremost, my mom. That was my favorite interview I've done so far because, you know, she's not in the public eye.
She's never been interviewed.

Speaker 6 And for her to tell her personal story succinctly and so powerfully was like, I was at, you know, I got to ask her questions in that interview. I never, A, even thought to ask her.

Speaker 6 And then B, maybe would have been nervous too, but the time was was right and it happened. And so that was that was like a very profound experience.

Speaker 6 But, dude, dog the bounty hunter, dog the bounty hunter, who we all have loved on television. We've seen him run through those doors with the industrial can of mace.

Speaker 6 He's got his whole, all of his kids. There's so many kids.
You know, the whole thing's great. It's great entertainment.
He shows up. And dog is got a humongous bandage around his thumb.

Speaker 6 And he has been

Speaker 6 bit by an actual dog at the Starbucks next to my house minutes ago. So right at the gates, I'm like, dog the bounty hunter was just bit by a dog, you know, seconds ago.

Speaker 6 And he's here with this, this fucking makeshift bandage. So that already I loved.
He came upstairs. His wife had only died three months ago.
And he just went right at that.

Speaker 6 He must have cried six times. I started seeing like, oh, this dude was the sergeant at arms of the Devil's Disciples motorcycle.
That's not Hollywood bullshit or fucking rap stuff.

Speaker 6 To be the fucking sergeant at arms of the devil's disciples, you've got to kick ass. And I'm looking at this guy and he's the sweetest, most beautiful guy with a fucking terrible stepdad.

Speaker 6 And his whole life is about been building this armor, this outward armor to say, don't hurt me because I will hurt you back.

Speaker 6 And I was like, I love you and I relate to you and I'm doing the same thing. I've done the same thing always.
And we're all, man, we're all, we've all had babies.

Speaker 6 You pick them up and they're fucking flawless and then they just get injured and injured and they create all this stuff to protect themselves. And I just, I don't think I ever felt so,

Speaker 6 I related so much to a guy as Dog the Bounty Hunter.

Speaker 1 Do you still feel like you have that armor? Like, do you still feel like you

Speaker 1 put that on to protect yourself? And if so, when do you drop that?

Speaker 6 I think less and less, and I would, I would credit Kristen with this entirely, which is, you know, for the first Kristen.

Speaker 6 come on sean no i know everybody knows yeah the only reason someone turned into this is to listen to kristen bell's husband talk about something so

Speaker 2 sean wishes we could have chirons on the podcast

Speaker 6 yeah can i tell you guys one one funny story about pamphlets out for it before each episode go ahead yes please Really quick, funny story about Colin Hanks and I.

Speaker 6 About two years ago, I got invited to be

Speaker 6 a judge on a cooking show, right? And it was a tremendous amount of money for three hours hours of work. And I said, Absolutely, I'll be there.
I go there. Colin Hanks is the other host.

Speaker 6 They've got us on this scissor lift that's got to be four stories high, you guys. And it is so wobbly.
They've built like this stage on top of this scissor lift.

Speaker 6 And then all the chefs are below cooking. And this thing is swaying and rocking.
And I say to Colin, I go,

Speaker 6 I just want you to know when this thing collapses and we die, the headline's going to say, Tom Hanks' son and Kristen Bell's husband die in a scissor lift accident.

Speaker 2 And by the way, so, so true. But

Speaker 4 you know that, can I just say this?

Speaker 2 So like 12 years ago, we do this, we go this funny or die tour that Will Farrell's doing with, and Adam, McKay is like doing the intro stuff for him, and Will's performing, and then he's got a couple of stand-ups, and one of them is Gal Finakis, and

Speaker 2 who else?

Speaker 2 A bunch of guys doing Nick Schwartzen and stuff.

Speaker 2 Adam had to leave the tour for like a week. He got sick.
So anyway, so we were doing promo for this thing, and he goes, come with us. You're leaving.
We're leaving tonight, and you're coming.

Speaker 2 You're filling in for McKay for a week. I was like, Great, it'll be super fun.
So, we go to like Penn State, and we go to

Speaker 2 University of Rhode Island. There's like 20,000 people in the arenas that feels great.
And I,

Speaker 2 Will goes out, he does the intros first, and I'm just kind of his sidekick on the side of the stage, keep it helping him keep it moving. We get to

Speaker 2 Boston College, and it's packed, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, We're so happy to have you.

Speaker 2 And here he is coming out.

Speaker 2 You love him. Here he is, Amy, Poehler's husband.

Speaker 2 And I come out here, and I'm like, in front of all 20,000 people, I'm like, you son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 Poehler's husband. That's funny.

Speaker 2 Anyway.

Speaker 6 But anyways, yeah, so Bell had,

Speaker 6 you know, we one time were on our way to. Actress Kristen Bell.

Speaker 6 Princess Anna.

Speaker 2 Kristen Bell.

Speaker 6 What if she didn't even earn her own title?

Speaker 6 So we're on our way to this place, and we'd been together for maybe a year, and we're dressed up. A guy threw this humongous drink at my windshield in my car

Speaker 2 on sunset.

Speaker 6 Yeah, right in front of Chateau. He was hammered, and he was like crossing sunset in front of Chateau.
There's no crosswalk there. He had plenty of fucking time.
I didn't slow down.

Speaker 6 So then he realized I wasn't slowing down. So then he was like tough guying it in the middle, just standing in the middle of the road.
So then I went by him on the outside. He chucked this huge drink.

Speaker 6 I thought the windshield had exploded because it was just, you know, glass and ice everywhere. And I thought the windshield was blown out.
So that thing exploded, and the e-brake was up.

Speaker 6 And I was exiting the vehicle before the car was stopped. And I fought this guy on the sidewalk.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 you know, he was screaming, I'll sue you. And the whole people at that magazine stand were like looking, and they missed the part where he fucking threw a glass at my car.

Speaker 6 So it looked, it literally looked like I was just beating the fuck out of a random guy on the sidewalk.

Speaker 2 So no jaywalking.

Speaker 2 Yes, vigilante jaywalk enforcer.

Speaker 6 So, I get back in the car, and my hunch is that she didn't love that. You know, I know enough that that wasn't great for her.

Speaker 6 But, God bless her. She didn't say a thing.
And we get to this restaurant. It was right before the Soho house opened, but they had it, you know, running.

Speaker 6 And she, and I had hurt my leg pretty bad because when I kicked him, I hit his head on my shin. And I had a huge eg on my shin.
And

Speaker 6 she was aware of it and I was kind of limping as we got out of the valet and so she said she had to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 6 She came back and she had procured me like a bag of ice and slid it to me under the table. This is like a meeting with her representatives.

Speaker 6 There's other actors there and she's sliding me a bag of ice for my leg that I kick somebody with. And, you know, afterwards, we had a talk about it.

Speaker 6 And I said, you know, thanks for not running me up the flagpole. I shouldn't have done that, blah, blah, blah.
And she said, why do you do that? And I said,

Speaker 6 you know, I

Speaker 6 have a bully thing and I have a, I'm going to protect everyone thing and I, and I will never be a victim again. I have all this stuff.

Speaker 6 And she said, you know, I just want you to know, it doesn't make me feel safer that you'll stand up for me. It makes me feel more scared.

Speaker 6 Like when we go places, I'm afraid you're going to be punching people. And I was like, wow, well, that's the opposite outcome of what I'm trying to do.

Speaker 6 Like, I want you to know that I will fucking go through 10 guys if they're saying something to you. And she's like, Yeah, that just doesn't make me feel safe.
And I was like, Well,

Speaker 6 this is, I've been telling myself a lie. No one feels safer around me.
Arnett, you don't feel safer. You're waiting for me to get into some shit.

Speaker 2 Sometimes

Speaker 2 I think it's funny. I love it when you mix it up with others.
There have been a few times, a few times where I was, where Dax like basically big brothered it for me, which is unbelievably great.

Speaker 5 Dax, how often when you're out driving around in Los Angeles, are you driving

Speaker 5 aggressively, taking risks, breaking laws?

Speaker 5 You know, not not being irresponsible, but getting after it?

Speaker 6 This is so embarrassing to say, but 100% of the time, I'm like the wolf in

Speaker 6 pulp fiction. Like, it's 20 minutes away.

Speaker 2 I'll see you in eight minutes.

Speaker 6 My hobby in life is getting that ways.

Speaker 4 I have that same bad habit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I get that ways estimate of how long it's going to take me. And for me, if I don't meet that by 20%,

Speaker 6 I should throw my car keys in the trash.

Speaker 2 i'm exactly i'm exactly the same way i i live my life exactly the same way i i say that estimate and to me it says you're a fucking coward if it takes yeah it's like it's like name that tune i'll beat that i'll beat that in two minutes i can beat that in one minute I told you this.

Speaker 2 We talked about it when I was on your show, but two of the guys on this tiles, you and Babin are the only two people that I know, even in my life now, that if I get in a car, that I'm okay if they're driving.

Speaker 2 You two guys are the only guys. Sean, you and I haven't driven enough to.

Speaker 1 No, I'm pretty bad.

Speaker 5 Dax, wouldn't you love to do a remake of Against All Odds and do that race on Sunset that

Speaker 5 James Woods and

Speaker 5 Jeff Bridges did?

Speaker 6 Bateman, remember I told you I wrote that

Speaker 6 the Daryl Hall show, right? That I was sold to Showtime. It was a false history of Daryl Hall's life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, from Hall Notes. Great idea.
Really?

Speaker 6 And I was going to play Daryl Hall.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 4 the whole world's fake.

Speaker 6 Like, you find out all the real real meanings behind all those hit songs, and it's just insanity.

Speaker 5 God, if you could get Schwartzman in a perm to do

Speaker 5 Oats,

Speaker 1 well, whatever happened with that, because I remember you telling me about that.

Speaker 6 It ended up getting really dicey with Daryl's giving us life rights. So, I became friends with him, and he's an awesome guy.

Speaker 6 And understandably, he was nervous about, you know, I'm telling a history of his life, but it's all insane.

Speaker 6 But, but Bateman in the fucking pilot, shot for shot, the against all odds races in there in the same cars up sunset. It's literally, I wrote it.
I wrote it.

Speaker 6 And I was, my whole fantasy is like, I cannot wait to reshoot that fucking thing.

Speaker 5 You think you'd ever be able to permit that? Like, get Sunset locked down so you could shoot that? No way, right?

Speaker 6 Oh, it's so easy.

Speaker 2 Dude, it's so easy. True story.
We developed a pilot. Thoreau and I developed a pilot for Don Johnson, playing like a Justin Thoreau.
Justin Thoreau, playing a sort of Jennifer Anison's ex-husband.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 For Don Johnson, Crock Tubbs's partner.

Speaker 2 we

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 do a thing where he plays this guy. He's kind of like a Crockett, but later in it was a great part.

Speaker 2 But we had the, this whole segment was the exact shot for shot through the intersection of Beverly, Glenn, and Sunset, where he blows through. Against all odds.
Against all odds. God damn.

Speaker 6 All roads lead back to Against All Odds. Can we tell everyone the R DJ story, which is one of my favorite show business stories ever? Don Johnson, Arnett.

Speaker 6 So Arnett and I are doing a movie with Don Johnson. And a couple funny things.

Speaker 6 Look, I loved Miami Vice, and Don Johnson's awesome, but I'm not a devotee of Don Johnson, but Arnett is fucking, he is his

Speaker 6 Joe Namath.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow, look at Michael Jordan.

Speaker 4 Look at him.

Speaker 2 It's over the line.

Speaker 6 He is so thrilled that Don Johnson has landed. Like, we're in Italy, and he's like getting updates when DJ is going to arrive.
He's so thrilled, right?

Speaker 6 And so Arnett gives him a real full court press from the second he arrives and don

Speaker 6 is cordial and nice but even you would admit arnett he's a little bit like all right bud and then i'm kind of i'm treating him like i came on way too strong oh fucking you you yeah the gates weren't even open when you were sprinting and so and i was kind of giving him the you know you're the hottest girl in school treatment i'm just ignoring him and but didn't he become obsessed with me huh

Speaker 2 he was like i want you to do a remake he's like they ever do a remake of my being him about being him. And I'm, I'm incensed.

Speaker 2 I'm fucking, I'm rich at how dare he

Speaker 2 Dax doesn't even care.

Speaker 6 It's so great. And then, so, at one point, while we're shooting this scene, and the scene is all, we're all in a church at a wedding, and Arnett and I are one pew behind Don Johnson.

Speaker 6 And the shot is of Don Johnson. But just prior to this scene, DJ pulls me aside because now he's mentoring me.

Speaker 6 And he says, you know, how I connected with the audience on Miami Vice, what my trick was. And I go, no, what would you do? And he goes, I buzz the lens at least once an episode.
Buzz the lens.

Speaker 6 I go, hold on. You would look right down the barrel of the camera.
He goes, oh, yeah, just you glance it, you buzz the lens, you pop in, and then you're out.

Speaker 6 And that, for him, that was the recipe for success on Miami Vice. So I immediately tell Arnett this.
We're in stitches about it. The very next take,

Speaker 6 poor DJ, he's acting his ass off in the foreground. Us bozos are about on the other, on either side of his shoulders, looking right in the fucking lens.
I mean, we are target

Speaker 6 staring. It was the craziest feeling because you know, you're all your trainings to never look at that lens.
And we were straight in it for like six minutes. And now we're laughing so hard.

Speaker 6 We're like, we're squeezing each other's legs and we're trying not to bust. And we're just in the lens and it made the fucking cut.
It's one of the greatest days of filming ever.

Speaker 6 What is this film?

Speaker 2 Oh, boy. Went in rowing.

Speaker 2 Kristen Bell.

Speaker 2 We'll tighten that up later. That's right.

Speaker 2 That's not the point of that.

Speaker 2 Neither here nor there. Actually, you know what, Dax? A good footnote to that is that DJ and I have since become good pals.
I knew everyone.

Speaker 2 I wore him down.

Speaker 2 You played the long game.

Speaker 6 Does he ever bring me up?

Speaker 2 Of course. The one that cut away.

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 2 Of course he does.

Speaker 2 You're the ex he can't stop thinking about.

Speaker 6 Oh, man. I did love him.

Speaker 4 He's fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's such a cool dude.

Speaker 6 And then we took Buzz the Lens and we just ran with it. You know what?

Speaker 2 I've said it on virtually everything I've ever done since then. I've always talked about buzzing the lens.

Speaker 5 I have heard that from you.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I like to grab a little glass every now and then.

Speaker 2 I think a DJ is kind of look up. Dax, you used to always say, I like to throw a fastball right down the lens.

Speaker 2 Sure, right in the barrel

Speaker 5 um so dax uh as we uh wrap up because i don't want to take too much of your time for your empire that you've built um yeah and let me say as an aside if kristen ever gets sick of your garbage uh just call me i i think okay i think you're swell i think you're real swell oh oh wait you'll take me yeah

Speaker 5 you'll take her oh yeah no no no and i'll send a man over to kristen's house and

Speaker 2 it'll be great and we'll go on a ski trip uh i gotta don't let him get you on a ski trip yeah

Speaker 2 get me because what we'll do is we'll go north, we'll go to Mammoth, and then we'll head on up to

Speaker 6 395,

Speaker 6 U.S. 395.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yep.

Speaker 5 Up in the Sun Valley. Then we're going to take it over to Jackson.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 1 but Dax, we are so proud of you for your success in this, in this kind of world that we're just kind of chipping away at. And we do look up to you and are so honored that you joined us today.

Speaker 1 And not only as one of our closest friends, but as a mentor to this world we know nothing about. And so hopefully we can learn from you.
And we love you so much.

Speaker 1 And thank you for taking the time and your busy schedule. I know you're taking over the world.
So love you, Daxie.

Speaker 6 Love you guys.

Speaker 5 Love you, Daxie. Thanks, buddy.

Speaker 1 Bye, Daxels.

Speaker 5 Say hi to Kristen.

Speaker 5 It never, ever gets old.

Speaker 1 No, he's the best. You know, my God, he's so open and so

Speaker 1 not afraid to be vulnerable in every single. I mean, I don't know what he hasn't revealed.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and it's not a bit either. It's completely sincere.
You can tell he really likes who he is. He's truly comfortable in his skin.

Speaker 5 He's always had incredible charisma, but I think he said that he's never been better or that since he's been with Kristen, she's made him better. And

Speaker 5 he was great back in the day, but even now he's just,

Speaker 5 I was sincere. I hope he felt that I was sincere when I said if things don't work out, for sure,

Speaker 5 he can call me.

Speaker 4 He's such an authentic guy.

Speaker 5 I should have left my number. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 But he's such an authentic guy. And one of the things I think that you guys will probably agree with me on is we've known him for a number of years, and you see him.

Speaker 2 He's gone through different stages in that time, but he's always been really honest about where he's at, wherever it is that he's at.

Speaker 1 That's so great. Always.
And I think that's why he's successful.

Speaker 2 Yeah, now we see him in this place, and you can see that he is truly happy. So you believe it because it's true.

Speaker 4 It's not a bit, it's not an act.

Speaker 5 And he's found a medium and a format that truly embraces and takes advantage of

Speaker 5 his best qualities. I'm thrilled for him.

Speaker 2 Great guest, Sean.

Speaker 5 Thank you. Nice going, Sean.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 3 Well, until next time.

Speaker 2 Hey, guys.

Speaker 5 Nice potting with you.

Speaker 3 See you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Oh, I like that. Nice potting with you.

Speaker 3 Nice potting.

Speaker 1 Okay, bye, everybody.

Speaker 2 Bye, you guys. So much fun.
Love you guys.

Speaker 4 Love you guys. Bye.

Speaker 2 Bye.

Speaker 2 Smart.

Speaker 2 Smart.

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