"Michelle Pfeiffer"

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Speaker 3 The family that vacations together stays together. At least, that was the plan.

Speaker 4 Except now, the dastardly desk clerk is saying he can't confirm your connecting rooms.

Speaker 3 Wait, what?

Speaker 6 That's right, ma'am. You have rooms 201 and 709.

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Speaker 2 Welcome to Hilton.

Speaker 9 I see your connecting rooms are already confirmed.

Speaker 3 Hilton, for this day.

Speaker 2 Oh, how's everybody today doing today? I'm so good, Sean. How are you?

Speaker 2 Are we actually doing this or are we talking, are we having a business meeting about

Speaker 2 where we're doing cold opens? I think we're rolling.

Speaker 2 We're literally rolling. This is a cool listeners.
We're listening. Okay, because we're not doing another show for another couple weeks.
So I'm just anyway. Welcome to Smartless.

Speaker 2 Here it comes. Smart.

Speaker 2 Less

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Speaker 10 wait, what's sus mean?

Speaker 2 Any people in your suspects, right?

Speaker 10 That's the one that's one of the new ones that kids are saying, right?

Speaker 2 Not new. God, you're nervous.

Speaker 2 Riz.

Speaker 10 Riz is not new, right? That's a couple years old.

Speaker 2 Really, really bad.

Speaker 10 Is Flexi a new one?

Speaker 2 Flexi could be good.

Speaker 2 Like, what's Flexi mean? Like, flexible? Yeah.

Speaker 10 And then, what did I hear was, um, oh, zesty is gay.

Speaker 2 Is that right? Is that the new one? Sure, I never heard of it.

Speaker 10 Or something is zesty.

Speaker 2 Will, have you heard the boy saying that? Sorry.

Speaker 10 Guys, I've got to keep up.

Speaker 2 We have to record soon.

Speaker 10 We're going to start the podcast.

Speaker 2 And I just want to make sure I've got my.

Speaker 2 Watching you and hearing you get old in front of me is just astounding.

Speaker 10 You should have heard the sounds I made trying to get out of the bed this morning.

Speaker 2 Super old. Like you, you like a rogue fart.
Just like, oh, fuck it. I'm back.

Speaker 2 Boy, you're going to wish I hadn't said that with our guest. Hey, no, he was respectable.
Respectable guests. Very respectable.
Very respectable. Let's start over.
She's very classy. God damn it.

Speaker 10 I'm sorry, surprise guests.

Speaker 2 No, it's good. And JB, I would say that you started me off on the whole, like, every time you would get out of your chair, by the way, not even when you were old, when you were like 33, you'd go,

Speaker 10 you got to make a sound to lock in the core.

Speaker 2 I know, and somehow I got into that hoi.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you do, hoi.

Speaker 2 Well, but you know what choogie is, right?

Speaker 2 Chugi is a word the kids use to describe someone or something that's outdated or trying too hard to be trendy or lacking originality. Well, you're reading, because you looked that up.

Speaker 2 I just looked it up while you were talking. I was like,

Speaker 2 what did you look it up? It's gone. What was the prompt?

Speaker 10 Hey, what are the kids saying?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Really?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. That's what the prompt was.
Sean.

Speaker 2 Wait, what about how, oh, by the way, the other night at this is, what's today? What's today? Wednesday? Tuesday. No, today's Tuesday.

Speaker 2 Sunday, the center seat in the front row of the play, the girl, this girl, just, I could tell she was just a single ticket. She just kept not, her head was.

Speaker 10 She was a narcoleptic,

Speaker 10 hard to get a date.

Speaker 2 I don't know yeah

Speaker 2 she kept nodding off and so at the bows i pointed right to her and i just and i mouthed they go you gotta go night you gotta go nine nine oh shit

Speaker 2 i did i pointed right to her the whole cast we were laughing on stage and i'm like you gotta go nine nine

Speaker 2 are you tie are you tie tie oh and what was she embarrassed or she just give you the thing at me clap she just kept looking at me clapping clapping and she's like she didn't realize i was i'm looking right at her time, but she didn't realize it.

Speaker 10 Yeah, well, she probably has an issue picking up on social cues and

Speaker 2 proper rest.

Speaker 2 Definitely proper rest.

Speaker 2 It's like a very expensive nap.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Did you maybe look at your performance? How was she?

Speaker 2 How did she? I thought about the whole time.

Speaker 2 Was she normal or was she chopped? Did she look chopped?

Speaker 10 What's chopped me?

Speaker 2 Would you just look up what she was doing?

Speaker 2 Oh, you guys don't know what she's doing. Oh, God.
What's chopped?

Speaker 2 This is a real one. You kind of

Speaker 2 busted. A little busted up.

Speaker 10 You're not even reading that.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 10 So did that come from Archie or Abel?

Speaker 2 Listen, I'm... Look,

Speaker 2 you're not dead. You're not a dad.
You're not going to turn it on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm in with the.

Speaker 10 Who gave you that? Archie or Abel?

Speaker 2 Dude, all of our friends, my friends and Archie's friends and Abel, so we're all, because I hang, because we're all young dudes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So we're kind of in the same friend group.

Speaker 10 And do you guys say, hey,

Speaker 10 this is a great new flavor of gum? You should try it?

Speaker 2 Or you should hear it, is what I usually say.

Speaker 10 Spit it out of your mouth. I know.

Speaker 2 I always forget that I got to go in there.

Speaker 2 But you always chew gum.

Speaker 10 Wait, is that the Nicorette gum?

Speaker 2 Is that what it is on it? Well, truth be told, I've got some Zin.

Speaker 2 I've got the little nicotine predication.

Speaker 2 Is that another word? The kids' free pouches. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 10 I'm forgetting free shit. I like this David power bar, guys.

Speaker 10 The folks at David,

Speaker 10 let me give you, I'm going to give you my address a little later in the side chat.

Speaker 2 The folks at David, Sean, anything, any kind of hot fudge or ice cream that you need to Haagenda's. I love Haage and I's.
Do you? I do.

Speaker 2 I can't eat too much. We like McConnell's.
We like McConnell's. Yes, we like McConnell's too.
We like McConnell's as well. A lot.
We like them a lot.

Speaker 2 And obviously, Hyundai, Jamesy.

Speaker 2 Do you want to hear Reese's one flavor joke? Laura, Piano, Rolex, and NetJazz. Okay, guys.
Wait, do you want to?

Speaker 2 Wait, a real quick joke. A real quick joke.
Ready?

Speaker 2 So gross.

Speaker 2 Go ahead,

Speaker 2 everybody. A dwarf psychic just escaped prison.

Speaker 10 Come on, really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's a small medium at large.

Speaker 10 There's a small medium

Speaker 2 at large.

Speaker 10 I feel you work on your reading of that.

Speaker 2 Okay, I heard a really quick one. This guy's going down the road.
There he is.

Speaker 2 Okay, and he gets to a T in the road, and he doesn't know which way to go. He's kind of lost, and he goes to the right.
And all of a sudden, his car breaks down.

Speaker 2 He goes in front, he lifts up the hood. He's trying to figure out what's wrong.
And he hears, it's the alternator. And he looks up and there's a horse there.
He goes, what the hell? Talking horse?

Speaker 2 So he goes down, looks at the car again. He can't figure it out.
He hears, it's the alternator. He looks back at the horse.
He's like, what the? So he tries the alternator, tightens a few screws,

Speaker 2 starts right up. And he goes, so he's like, oh, man.
So he drives to the nearest bar. He gets it in the bar and he says to the barman, he says, give me a large brandy.
And he just downs it.

Speaker 2 He says, give me another large brandy. And he downs it.
And the barman goes, ho, ho, ho, you okay, man? He goes, yeah. He goes, I was just driving here.
I was lost. I hit a T in the road.

Speaker 2 I went to fix my car. And this horse, this talking horse, you know, I decided to go right.
And I came upon this horse, and he said that it was the alternator.

Speaker 2 And he goes, oh, man, good thing you didn't go left. He goes, why? Because there's a horse over there that doesn't know anything about cars.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 Come on. Where are we going?

Speaker 10 I know. Are we going into fucking choke hell?

Speaker 2 You didn't like that? Because I'm already there.

Speaker 2 You didn't like that? There's a horse over there that doesn't know anything about cars. Where's Where's the punchline? Yeah, that's it.
That's fucking terrible. We're going to leave that in.

Speaker 10 We're not going to cut it because everyone needs to know that sometimes Will clanks it.

Speaker 2 It happens rarely. You didn't like it that way.
I love it. I think it's cute.
Stupid. All right, so our guest, our guest,

Speaker 10 couple of pieces of string walk into a bar and

Speaker 10 they sit down on the stools.

Speaker 10 And the one piece of string says to the bartender, he says,

Speaker 10 give us a couple of beers. And the bartender says, we don't fucking serve string in here.

Speaker 10 And the two pieces of string look at each other, come on, let's get out of here. So they walk outside, and one piece of string says, The other piece of string, quick, tie yourself around me.

Speaker 2 He goes, What are you doing? He's just tie yourself around me.

Speaker 10 Come on. Ties himself around.

Speaker 10 They hop back in there. They jump up on one stool and says, Give us a couple of beers.
You go, Hey, aren't you those two pieces of string I just kicked out of here? The guy says, Afraid not. Ah!

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So that's up there with your shit horse joke, but it's slightly better. That's a little good thing you didn't go left.
There's a horse over there that doesn't know anything about it.

Speaker 2 I don't know anything about cars.

Speaker 2 Oh, Sean's laughing.

Speaker 10 Sean's just having fun. Let's see if our surprise guests are.

Speaker 2 Imagine a horse. Imagine, like, okay, you know, and it, okay.

Speaker 10 So by the way, Franny is eating up Bojack. Oh, no, is it? No, it's Maple.
She's eating up Bojack Horseman.

Speaker 2 Inappropriate for upgrade.

Speaker 10 But apparently, this is a great show.

Speaker 10 This is an animated show on the Netflix.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Is it just

Speaker 2 getting going?

Speaker 2 I tell you, who's been going for a long time is our guest.

Speaker 2 Oh, nice. She's worked with everybody from,

Speaker 2 we're talking, this is Primo A-List, iconic, she's going to hate me for saying this, but it's true.

Speaker 2 Actor. She has been, she's worked with everybody from Pacino, De Niro, Nicholson.
She's been nominated for three Academy Awards. You know, she's been a queen catwoman, a dad liaison.
Yes.

Speaker 2 How did you do it so fast?

Speaker 2 I'm actually

Speaker 2 connected to the universe. Michelle, Pfeiffer, reveal yourself.
Good morning. Oh, she's just late.

Speaker 2 She's so worthy.

Speaker 2 Good morning. What a pleasure.
Good morning. You got it so fast.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 10 Jason has not that many incredible

Speaker 10 icons in the world, male or female. You're right there at the top.

Speaker 2 Hi, Michelle.

Speaker 2 Hey, hi.

Speaker 11 How are you?

Speaker 2 I'm great. How are you?

Speaker 11 Oh, I'm good. Getting ready to go back to Montana.

Speaker 2 For what?

Speaker 10 For some

Speaker 11 more Madison.

Speaker 2 More Madison.

Speaker 2 So, Michelle,

Speaker 2 I wanted to start by saying, first of all, I had such a great time. I did a couple days with you on the Madison, which was super fun.

Speaker 2 He came home and raved about you, Michelle.

Speaker 2 My dad, he did. It was, you know,

Speaker 2 I gushed.

Speaker 2 Aw, fun.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 11 It was, it was, it was, yeah.

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 10 Are we talking about Will as a scene?

Speaker 2 No, no, Will was great, and he was very

Speaker 11 amazing scene. No, no, love, love, love, love the director, love the show, love the actors.

Speaker 11 It was just,

Speaker 11 our scenes were kind of grueling, and we did a lot of takes.

Speaker 2 We did a lot of takes.

Speaker 2 A lot of angles. A lot of angles, and we had, it was heavy dark.
It was just the two of us for about two days. And we were just talking at each other for two days.

Speaker 2 was it only two was it like a contentious

Speaker 11 maybe three and i was cursing at him and yeah yeah i'm throwing the f-bomb around and

Speaker 10 i appreciate you not actually using the word on this episode

Speaker 2 um so michelle i went all the way back so in anticipation of having you on the show which this has been a long time coming and actually we were going to have you a long time ago and then uh schedule and things that you know prevented us from having you a long time ago um and i've wanted to get into one of the things I loved when I look up, it says, and I wanted to talk, ask you about this,

Speaker 2 your first television credit ever was Fantasy Island. Is that true? Oh, no way.

Speaker 2 That's cool. What a ton.

Speaker 11 I had one line.

Speaker 2 No way.

Speaker 11 I had one line on Fantasy Island.

Speaker 11 And I remember the line. What is it? And the line, and the episode was the Island of Lost Women.
Sure, okay. I was one of the lost women, and we were all running around in togas.

Speaker 2 Can I guess the line?

Speaker 11 Pastel.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 10 Here I am.

Speaker 2 No? No. And it was the closer.

Speaker 10 They went to credits after that.

Speaker 2 That was the only episode that Sean skipped. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was like, boobs, I'm out.

Speaker 2 It was.

Speaker 11 It was

Speaker 11 who is he, Naomi?

Speaker 2 Wow. Who is he, Naomi? And were you referring to Mr.
Rourke? It was, who was it?

Speaker 2 Herbe Pillichez. I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and there were no men. I mean, the premise is there were no men on the island.
And so

Speaker 11 we were all lusting over this one

Speaker 11 man.

Speaker 10 Oh, but you don't remember who that, and that was a guest guest you?

Speaker 2 I don't.

Speaker 11 You could look. Will, did you do your homework? Did you look at the woman?

Speaker 2 No, I did.

Speaker 10 Sorry, did it say who you're not on Wiki?

Speaker 11 I mean, it did say it.

Speaker 10 Didn't they do a lot of that? Wasn't that done like on a back lot uh at one of the studios it was

Speaker 11 universal backing it was universal but it could have been warner brothers you didn't you didn't you don't like you didn't fly to hawaii or something right no yeah right no they flew me to hawaii no yeah no no but i do remember um

Speaker 11 how exciting it was showed up for work and there was you know honey wagon Yeah, the rooms in.

Speaker 10 You were at a honey wagon for sure with one line.

Speaker 11 For sure. You're lucky to see that.

Speaker 2 can you just tell tracy real quick Sean's gonna explain to his sister yeah a honey wagon is it's a trailer where you where you as an actor you hang out before while they're yeah working on

Speaker 10 a small trailer and it's divided up into small rooms right very small rooms and they put you in there like a veal

Speaker 10 it's just enough room to turn you can you can go to the restroom brush your teeth and change your shoes all uh sitting on one and what more does one need right nothing it's very efficient but i was very excited because i looked up and there was my name and a star.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 like you made it. That's how long ago.
Yeah. Yeah.
They knew.

Speaker 2 So tell me, like, tell me what, by the way, it's so nice to see. I think we met a long, long, long time ago, but she doesn't remember.
She's just in passing. No, she doesn't remember.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 this is the first time I've gotten to talk to you, so it's such a pleasure. And

Speaker 2 what was that like when you, the first time when you, so before Fantasy Island had you been pursuing it? How did you fall into it? Like, how did you get that first job?

Speaker 11 I had taken theater in high school to avoid having to take an English class. I think it was grammar that I was avoiding.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 so I sort of fell into it. And I thought all the theater people were just kind of, you know, geeky.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 For sure they are.

Speaker 11 And anyway, I

Speaker 11 just, I mean, I just fit right in. And I just sort of fell in love with it.
And then anyway, graduated.

Speaker 11 I didn't think I would ever, in my wildest dreams become an actor i just i wasn't a part of that i'd never met an actor i'd never met a famous person and um and your family was there was no sort of acting connection in your family

Speaker 11 nothing nothing in fact my dad was not thrilled at the notion of me doing where were you where did you grow up um

Speaker 11 uh we're in orange county not that far away from la

Speaker 11 um anyway so i was uh working at Bond's supermarket.

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 2 checkout.

Speaker 11 Yeah. And it wasn't a very good checker.
I could never balance my cash register.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and those are the days where

Speaker 10 you had to type in the price. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you didn't just scan stuff. Those were the days, right? Way back then.
Get some skills.

Speaker 10 Now, did you not go to college and like study up on some

Speaker 10 tangible something you could really rely on?

Speaker 10 Or were you just like, I'm all in, and if this doesn't work, I'm going back to slinging melons?

Speaker 11 I had started a trade school. I was doing court reporting.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Wow.

Speaker 11 And that made me crazy in the head

Speaker 11 because you have to sort of learn a whole new language.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then you have to type it out like this. What is sonography? Senator.
Synagoger. Wait, so you know how to do that?

Speaker 11 Not anymore. But what would happen was after about a year of studying that, every time I would talk to people, my hands would start going like this, and my brain is transcribing.

Speaker 11 And I'm transcribing every every single thing and it's not a quirty keyboard is it it's it's it's no it's like a different no it's a totally different

Speaker 2 you have to learn a completely different language it's a fully different language did it help you memorize dialogue going forward no i mean maybe good question though

Speaker 2 i was just thinking i just think it would be funny i wonder if you ever lost a job you know you said you took acting because you didn't want to um do this grammar class and i wonder if you ever lost a job they're like we really wanted to hire her but her grammar was terrible yeah

Speaker 2 She doesn't speak good. I've been

Speaker 2 since you popped on our little screen here today to talk, it's really hard for me to hold. I have, you know, Grease 2 is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Really?

Speaker 2 And I'm sure you get it all the time. And I'm so sorry, but me and my sister watched it a thousand times.
I know every word. My sister's song.
My sister and I.

Speaker 2 Michelle was about to correct him, but she was.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I just, I just,

Speaker 2 it was a huge part of my childhood grease, too. And we would just watch it over and over and over again.
And I know every line of dialogue and every word. So it's really cool that you were.

Speaker 2 What's your favorite part in the film?

Speaker 11 Isn't that cool?

Speaker 11 I think one of my favorite parts of the film is A Girl for All Seasons because it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 A girl for all seasons.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 As a Christmas tree.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Absolutely.
And how many?

Speaker 11 Sean, how many times have you reenacted Cool Rider on a ladder?

Speaker 2 A thousand times. Okay.
I need to see.

Speaker 11 You know, there's somebody online who did that, actually, and I reposted it.

Speaker 2 Oh, really?

Speaker 11 There was a guy who

Speaker 11 reenacts every scene.

Speaker 2 Do you get that a lot in your life that people just don't know? It's like a cult, like, classic. Like, people.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Is that the thing people do the most from Greece too? Like going outlandish and recreating stuff?

Speaker 11 You mean...

Speaker 2 Like, do people come up and quote lines or like

Speaker 2 is that the one that people go, oh my God, I love like Sean, like sort of fanboying out there?

Speaker 2 That is,

Speaker 11 that's a big one.

Speaker 11 And I guess probably,

Speaker 11 well, and then you've got all the people quoting Scarface, which is

Speaker 11 crazy, but mostly they're quoting Tony Montana, not really me.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 Fabulous Baker Boys.

Speaker 2 Carlos,

Speaker 11 what about that, Sean? Have you sung on top of a piano? Of course.

Speaker 2 I took a nap on top of a piano. Oh, my God.
I remember when that movie came out. I love those guys, too, so much.
I love Bo and Jeff Bridges. What great dudes.
And I mean, just the best.

Speaker 2 That movie was so good. The best.
The best.

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Speaker 3 The family that vacations together stays together. At least, that was the plan.

Speaker 4 Except now, the dastardly desk clerk is saying he can't confirm your connecting rooms.

Speaker 3 Wait, what?

Speaker 6 That's right, ma'am. You have rooms 201 and 709.

Speaker 7 No, we cannot be five floors away from our kids.

Speaker 7 The doors have double locks, they'll be fine.

Speaker 8 When you want connecting rooms confirmed before you arrive, it matters where you stay.

Speaker 2 Welcome to Hilton.

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Speaker 2 And now, back to the show.

Speaker 10 Michelle, like you could go on and on and on with all of the incredible things that you have done.

Speaker 10 Do you take the time ever privately to kind of give yourself a little pat on the back for the longevity, the amount of time you have spent in a relevant position in an industry that's famous for its

Speaker 10 unpredictability and

Speaker 10 it's so sort of fickle? and like you have been incredibly well respected and and and sought after for probably five times longer than your your average actor or actress. It's just it's

Speaker 11 admirable. Don't you find it I find it first of all, no.

Speaker 11 I don't

Speaker 11 I'm always surprised actually to hear people say that.

Speaker 11 But I also find today it's really hard to feel relevant in any way because it does feel like

Speaker 11 you know everybody's having everybody's sort of getting their 15 minutes and you kind of

Speaker 10 so it doesn't I don't know it doesn't feel that way honestly right but it turns out it seems like there's well there's certainly enough room for you right you are still uh doing that which you want at the pace that you want it seems from the outside I mean you've got three you've got the Madison you've got your show on your Apple TV that you've got a movie coming out as well right for Amazon like you're busy well

Speaker 11 it yeah i'm a little too busy

Speaker 11 um i didn't i didn't really plan look i'm so grateful i'm so grateful because i love acting i've never lost in fact i probably um enjoy it more now than i ever have because really yeah i i'm sort of more relaxed with it um i actually didn't you know i

Speaker 11 when I had all of this work. Plus, I have a fragrance company that I founded like seven years ago.
And And so it's, you know, at a time when I wasn't

Speaker 11 working all this much.

Speaker 11 So I don't really have time to be thinking about anything but the task at hand. But when I had all these

Speaker 11 acting jobs coming up, I thought, okay,

Speaker 2 okay.

Speaker 11 How are you going to manage this and have a life?

Speaker 11 Because that hasn't always been easy for me.

Speaker 11 I'm a all or nothing kind of girl. And

Speaker 11 when I approach things

Speaker 11 and I always like taking on challenges and then I get into it and it sort of sink or swim.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 for whatever reason, I kind of feed on that.

Speaker 11 Maybe not so healthy. I don't know.
But

Speaker 11 so

Speaker 11 my approach has been, this gets back to why am I enjoying it more now than ever, ever, is I don't have time to,

Speaker 11 nor the desire to go that deep for that long

Speaker 11 and

Speaker 11 not be present.

Speaker 11 You know, I

Speaker 11 really, I realize, you know, I have a finite amount of time left and

Speaker 11 I might announce on this show that I became a grandmother last year.

Speaker 2 Excellent. Well done.

Speaker 11 That's awesome. I've been very quiet about it, and it is

Speaker 2 the greatest, right?

Speaker 11 Heaven.

Speaker 11 It's heaven. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 Congratulations, by the way. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 if I had known that I was going to be a grandmother, I wouldn't have taken on so much work. But I've enjoyed everything and I'm really grateful.
I mean,

Speaker 11 I love each of these projects. And so what the weird thing is that

Speaker 11 sort of

Speaker 11 giving up that angst about the process has freed me up and I feel in some ways has made me better.

Speaker 10 You mean the angst about the process of actually studying to play that character, doing the research, yada, yada.

Speaker 11 Oh, I have to know this and I have to

Speaker 11 free yourself. I have to personalize this and I have to, you know, and yes, yes, there's a certain amount of that you have to do and that's important.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 But then,

Speaker 11 you know, and then you start though, but there's something amazing for me about showing up. And just, it's about discovery.

Speaker 2 Yes. And also, I bet you bring more of yourself now than ever before.

Speaker 11 Yes, I think you might be right.

Speaker 2 You might be right. That's a first word.

Speaker 11 For better or worse, Sean. For better or worse, Sean.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, like,

Speaker 2 it makes you fearless more for you.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'll bet, Michelle, you would say for better, right? Because if we're if we're

Speaker 10 doing things correctly, which it sounds like you are, you become

Speaker 10 a better and better version of yourself as you get older. And

Speaker 10 as an actor,

Speaker 10 sort of by consequence, you're bringing more interesting abilities to pretending to be other people. So I'll bet your work has gotten even better,

Speaker 10 right? I mean, do you watch your own stuff? I mean, can you allow yourself to watch yourself and go, that's a little bit better than what I did five years ago or 10 years ago?

Speaker 11 It's hard for me to like my work and watch it. And that's the other thing:

Speaker 11 I used to

Speaker 11 see every day's daily, the work before, I had to see what I was doing, had to see where I was at, had to know, do I need to make a shift? Do I need to? Yeah.

Speaker 11 And you don't do that?

Speaker 2 I don't.

Speaker 11 I just don't anymore.

Speaker 2 What happened?

Speaker 10 When did that change?

Speaker 11 It gradually

Speaker 11 started shifting.

Speaker 11 Actually, that was a while ago because I was just torturing myself.

Speaker 10 So you didn't like what you were seeing, or you got more confident in, oh, you know what? I keep checking, but it's fine.

Speaker 2 Or were you doing it to punish? Were you doing it to punish yourself on a certain level, do you think?

Speaker 11 I'm just very, I'm just super critical.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Okay. So then you left it and you're like, I'm just going to be mean to myself, so I don't even want to look.

Speaker 11 No,

Speaker 11 mean to myself. Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 11 yes um

Speaker 11 because i know

Speaker 11 no matter what i see yeah i'm going to

Speaker 2 find the negative i'm going to find the negative and i'm and i'm i'm going to show up the next day and do it the best way i know how anyway i'm always going to give 110 i'm not going to um well i guess the danger of looking at it and and and caring and is if you start watching that and you start relying on that you you run the risk of dragging that and your opinion of that to the next day and it affects what you do not in the way that's constructive but potentially going

Speaker 11 oh i want to avoid this this this and this and now you're in some weird loop you know what i mean yeah and the other the other thing about it too is that then you become

Speaker 11 rather than something happening spontaneously because you're just going with your instincts and you're in the moment, you start copying yourself.

Speaker 11 Oh, that was really good that was a really good moment ah you try to regenerate it and then you're not in the moment anymore and which is what made it so good

Speaker 11 and also what could have made it so bad but you know that thing about like a painter like when you paint it's sometimes you go okay but those moments where you missed

Speaker 11 led to the good moment and it's like a painter it's the same thing because I paint and you have your painting and you have an idea and you start painting and then you make a mistake

Speaker 11 and then you have to go about how am I going to fix this? Well, you don't have a plan how to fix it because you didn't plan on making a mistake.

Speaker 11 So now you have to, you have to just figure that out and it ultimately typically will end up being the favorite part of your painting.

Speaker 11 And so I think when you're creating, I think that's all part of the process.

Speaker 2 And so just I love that you paint, like, of course you paint. You couldn't be cooler.
Everything you say is one thing's true than the next.

Speaker 2 Wait, Michelle, you were.

Speaker 11 Oh, by the way, I have a fragrance called

Speaker 11 Dave.

Speaker 10 Dave. Come on.
Dave. Well, maybe Dave should meet the David Power bar.

Speaker 2 Maybe they should be friends.

Speaker 2 Summer bar out of here. We're talking about Michelle's fragrance.
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 10 Well, I do think before we move on, we should, Sean, I really think you should track down the gal in the front row and ask her how you can fix your mistake.

Speaker 2 You know, okay,

Speaker 2 okay, straighten out your performance and stop putting people to bed i totally will do that i totally

Speaker 11 can't you get in serious trouble like if you're on the stage and you break and you like start talking to the audience isn't that sort of like a trial

Speaker 2 he didn't it 10 years ago

Speaker 2 he's been trying to get fired off of oscar forever

Speaker 2 no no i i i noticed her dozing off for the first hour of the play while i'm in it i understand and then i waited till the end of the at the bows when everybody's clapping. You know, we went to fly.

Speaker 11 Was it in the middle of your performance?

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Was it the applause that woke her up? I think it was the applause that woke her up.

Speaker 2 Michelle, when I come next week, I'm going to bring a pillow. It sounds like that's what I need to do.
Wait,

Speaker 2 Michelle, I was going to ask you: you know, you've worked with so many great directors over the years. I mean, some just some of the all-time greats.
And were you,

Speaker 2 was that a time when

Speaker 2 there a time when you were just director-driven?

Speaker 2 Has that shifted?

Speaker 2 What do you look for when you're deciding now?

Speaker 11 Director is super important. I mean, initially you just want a job.

Speaker 11 And then once you start getting work, and then it's like obviously just choosing the best of what is put in front of you. And

Speaker 11 hopefully you're able to get... you know, pickier and pickier as you go along.
And then and then, yeah, when you're in a position of where you have that kind of choice, it's a tough one.

Speaker 11 Like, is it script

Speaker 11 is it director I mean a lot of I've seen really talented directors make

Speaker 11 I want maybe masterpieces but great films out of not so great scripts yeah and then I've seen maybe in the wrong hands a really great script just yeah so director's so in some ways I think I would

Speaker 11 If I had to choose,

Speaker 11 I would say director. And then I think the part is,

Speaker 11 you know, does it kind of just speak to you? I mean, for me, if I can hear it, I can hear it. I can see it.
I'm very visual.

Speaker 10 Does it matter if it's the lead or seven, six, seven, eight, nine down the call sheet? If it's a director,

Speaker 2 seven, six, seven, eight, nine.

Speaker 2 Now you're getting into honeymoon territory.

Speaker 11 You know, I recently have, especially like, you know, working on a Marvel movie or something, and you have a tent on the stage

Speaker 11 and you're in a costume, you can't pee, you know, you can't go to the bathroom in unless you, and it's,

Speaker 11 you know, I've had to beg for a honey wagon size room. I'm like, just, I just need a place to go sit and work on my stuff that has a little tiny toilet, you know?

Speaker 2 Right, right, right. And

Speaker 2 couldn't even have here. So

Speaker 2 right, right.

Speaker 2 Let me ask you something.

Speaker 2 This might be like a, you don't, we don't have to go there if you don't want to, but having your, your breadth of work over literally decades, like amazing work, one after another, have you seen

Speaker 2 a change for the better in

Speaker 2 either roles for women from the beginning of a career to now, or how

Speaker 2 being a woman in the business has changed at all? Have you experienced any of that yourself? Or have you just been like, no, it's been, I've just been sailing along.

Speaker 10 Before you even answer that, here's one thing that I just find incredibly impressive about you, and you don't have a lot of

Speaker 10 company in this.

Speaker 10 You have been able to

Speaker 10 have your talent as an actor overshine your extraordinary beauty from day one.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 Which extends into, you know,

Speaker 10 I would imagine so many interesting roles. Now, as one gets older,

Speaker 10 the roles get better. And since you never traded just on your looks you there's no there's no there's no um

Speaker 11 end of relevance there like it was always about the talent with you and the looks that was so delicately walked through and so impressed

Speaker 2 i was just waiting you're so close to trouble on either side i know she is teetering i think he is so teetering on the edge

Speaker 10 did i make it did i shut up in time

Speaker 2 so impressed wow i just i'm i was just more to the point it was i was gonna say i i was just how does it feel being an aging actress in Hollywood? Why don't you just say it, Sean? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Michelle, I was going to say that never thinks that you're even cooler than you are beautiful, which is saying a lot. That is incredible.
Am I cool? I always feel it. I'm serious.

Speaker 2 You're very, very cool. No, I just like pick your scandal

Speaker 2 in the news over the last 40 years about this business that we're all in.

Speaker 2 And a lot of the times it has to do, not all the time, but a lot of it has time to do with women and how

Speaker 2 you've been mistreated so bad. And so I didn't know if you could speak to that.
Sean, are you trying to get headlines for us?

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Can you get out of the dark water and get into the shallow? Because turquoise. Yeah.

Speaker 11 We just got out of the deep end, Sean.

Speaker 2 And now there you go, diving back in.

Speaker 2 Wow, that was a lot to unpack, guys.

Speaker 11 So, where do you want me to start?

Speaker 2 How are the roles seems to you? Better roles. Good.

Speaker 11 Well, you know what? They're better, but they're way better. There's so many, like, and mainly that's due to television and streamers.
And there's just

Speaker 11 the bad news is there's like a ridiculous amount of content out there. And

Speaker 2 maybe too much.

Speaker 11 You don't know what to watch. A lot of it not so good, maybe.

Speaker 11 But that's always been the case, right?

Speaker 11 In our industry. And now,

Speaker 11 and so, and I feel like all, I just feel like so much of the good work,

Speaker 11 like the majority of the good work is being done by women. I mean extraordinary work by women and on television.
I agree. And so it's keeping us all working.

Speaker 11 And then I also feel like in terms of performers and entertainment,

Speaker 11 there has never been a bigger appreciation for women of my age.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And that's... That's super exciting.
And

Speaker 11 so, yeah, I've seen.

Speaker 2 But that's what I kind of mean. It's like, I don't think that was the case 20, 30, 40 years ago.
No, 50 years ago. No, no.
Now

Speaker 11 you couldn't do TV and movies. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Right, right. Let alone.
Right, right. That's a great point.

Speaker 11 You couldn't do a commercial. God forbid

Speaker 11 you should sponsor a product or something. You will never work again in the movies.

Speaker 2 Like, Michelle, like when you were making, like, let's say like 88, it was 88, you made dangerous liaisons

Speaker 2 and you're getting nominated. So you're nominated for an Academy Award.
And then you call your agent and you go, I'm going to do this TV series. They'd be like, what, are you out of your mind?

Speaker 11 Right, exactly. Right?

Speaker 11 And not even that long ago, you know. I remember, like, about,

Speaker 11 oh, maybe 10, maybe was it 10 years ago? I was talking about, I don't know, I got offered some TV show.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, well, you know, I don't know, it's kind of interesting.

Speaker 11 And they're like, no, you know, if you do TV,

Speaker 2 really? It was what it was.

Speaker 11 It's got to be something really special.

Speaker 10 It was Woody and Matthew McConaughey with True Detective, I remember, was the big, like, oh, wow, these guys are changing.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think McConaughey had just won the Oscar

Speaker 10 like five months earlier for Dallas Buyers Club, maybe.

Speaker 10 And that was like, what

Speaker 2 was this going on?

Speaker 10 I really feel like that was, and before that, obviously Fincher doing House of Cards on Netflix, too, like just sort of

Speaker 10 launching streaming as a place where filmmakers go. So, yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 You don't think it was me doing the sitcom, The Millers, after I did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Well, maybe it's, and let me tell you something.

Speaker 10 This Bojack thing that I'm hearing is coming on soon, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I feel so responsible.
When you say tons of bad stuff, I'm like, God, I'm so responsible. Oh, trust me.
Trust me. We've all got it.
Trust me.

Speaker 11 I've done

Speaker 11 my share of bad stuff.

Speaker 2 So now you're sitting here,

Speaker 2 you're kind of in the catbird seat because

Speaker 2 you get to kind of pick and choose. You can do whatever you want.
You can do TV and film, and you've got a new appreciation for it.

Speaker 2 And you've, as you said, you've kind of relieved the pressure of of making yourself crazy so when you look at

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 i just now being a grandparent now you're a grandmother domestic life is is at its zenith is life is is life work balance the most

Speaker 2 important is that the first decision

Speaker 2 uh yeah

Speaker 11 yeah it is and you know

Speaker 11 now but i it

Speaker 11 obviously wasn't when i committed to do all this work i didn't know i was going to be a grandmother then. And, you know,

Speaker 11 I thought, wow, it's my time now.

Speaker 11 I can go do what I want to do.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

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Speaker 10 How good are you and your husband at

Speaker 10 working out this balance? Because that's a tricky part, too, because you're both incredibly busy.

Speaker 2 He's very busy as well, yeah. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 2 for Tracy.

Speaker 2 Please, Sean.

Speaker 2 For my sister, who might not know, your husband is David Kelly. Oh, okay.

Speaker 11 I got to say, he's been amazing. And I said to him when, again, all this work was coming up, I'm like, I'm like going to Montana in Texas for four months out of the year.

Speaker 2 I'm like, okay,

Speaker 11 I'm not doing this unless you're with me. And don't say you're going to be with me.
And then come for like a couple weeks and then go away from it. No, no, you're with me.

Speaker 11 And he's been with me.

Speaker 2 Really? And

Speaker 11 I couldn't have, I couldn't have, because he can write anywhere.

Speaker 10 Right, but he's doing much more than right. He's directing, he's producing, he's doing different stuff.

Speaker 2 Showrunning.

Speaker 11 He doesn't direct.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 10 he's sort of by proxy at times, yes.

Speaker 10 Maybe.

Speaker 11 Well, he's. He's pretty.
He's pretty. I just worked for, I just worked with him, for the, worked for him,

Speaker 11 with him

Speaker 11 for the first time, really, on Margo's Got Money Troubles. And I did, it was

Speaker 11 so fun. And I was very,

Speaker 11 I've never been really eager to work with him because I so cherish my marriage.

Speaker 11 And sometimes that's the kiss of death to work together and don't be on the cover of People magazine together because you'll be divorced next year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, how many times have we seen that?

Speaker 10 So it was nerve-wracking as it, as it approached. Yeah.
Did you guys lay down any sort of like, listen, this is this is how you could trigger me if you do this.

Speaker 2 And I know the door to my honeywagon is exposed.

Speaker 11 He sort of set a boundary early on

Speaker 11 when I was asking maybe too many questions.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 do you really think she could say that, David? And he's like, you know, I think that's a good question for the director.

Speaker 11 Oh, no. After he did that a couple times, I'm like, okay, I get it.

Speaker 11 I get it.

Speaker 11 And that was actually really good.

Speaker 11 But the truth is,

Speaker 11 this character is so well written. It's like,

Speaker 11 I was born to play this part. Really? She is like a real housewife of Fullerton Wannabe.

Speaker 11 I grew up in Orange County.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I

Speaker 11 love, love, love, love her. Her name is Cheyenne, and she works at Bloomingdale's in the cosmetics department.

Speaker 2 That's brilliant.

Speaker 11 And single mom, Elle, clearly

Speaker 2 is my dad.

Speaker 2 You can move on. I've just found out.

Speaker 11 Anywho, so

Speaker 11 it was, and also, gosh, how often do you get to work in Los Angeles and stay home? Yeah. I don't know where you guys live.
Willie, I don't think you're in.

Speaker 10 Are you shooting? You're not shooting. I thought you were going in Montana at shooting.

Speaker 11 But I'm not shooting right now.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 11 I'm going to Montana.

Speaker 10 When you worked with David, it was in L.A.

Speaker 11 It was in L.A. Got it.

Speaker 2 Okay, great. So,

Speaker 2 Michelle, sometimes I do this and I ask people who have, as Sean said, such a wide, sort of huge breadth of work. Is there a role?

Speaker 2 Is there a, not a role, maybe a role, role and or film that you did of one of these great films? Is there one, do you have a favorite? And it's okay?

Speaker 11 I don't.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 11 I have a few that are

Speaker 11 of my favorites, but it's then it's bad if I don't mention some and then the director's going to be like, oh, you didn't mention mine.

Speaker 2 Let's assume that you love them all. Let's assume you love them all, but you love one.

Speaker 11 You know, there's the film that I actually love the most,

Speaker 11 and then there's the performance that maybe I don't hate. Right.

Speaker 11 And then

Speaker 11 there's the experience that I have the best time.

Speaker 2 All three, all three. I like all three of those.

Speaker 11 Experience would be, I think, a toss-up

Speaker 11 of Married to the Mob and honestly, Margot's Got Money Troubles.

Speaker 11 It was just a ton of fun.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 my favorite film,

Speaker 2 maybe Baker Boys, maybe? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I got to check that. I've never seen that film.

Speaker 11 That might be my favorite performance as well.

Speaker 2 Double thick. As well.
Might be. So famous, too.

Speaker 11 Don't you think that would make a great sequel, like Where Are These People?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Right? Oh, yeah. That's a great idea.

Speaker 2 I can't get...

Speaker 11 I can't get Steve to do it. So

Speaker 10 anyways. Just say David will take care of it.

Speaker 2 Yes, he did. Can I ask you, can I just nerd out just for a second?

Speaker 2 Are we going back to Greece too? Yeah, Greece.

Speaker 2 Just like a couple of questions because I'm sure it's never going to happen again in my life.

Speaker 2 Sorry, Michelle, this is where we take questions from fans. Go ahead.
Go ahead, call her.

Speaker 2 No, like,

Speaker 2 what was it like?

Speaker 2 What was it like knowing how big the first one was? And then were you like scared to do this, to be in the sequel, like to be like, oh my God, Greece was such a massive thing. No, come on.

Speaker 2 It was a big deal to me as a kid.

Speaker 11 No, it's a really good question. And of course, I was terrified.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you were so good in it. You were so good.

Speaker 11 You know, but you know, look, it's John Travolta, Olivia Newton, John, and, you know, and it was, you know, the first one, and it was amazing and such a cult following and so successful.

Speaker 11 And then you got me and this kid, Mac, they don't know who we are, and they're taking out ads that say too hot.

Speaker 11 And I'm like, don't say that.

Speaker 2 What if they don't think I'm hot? Okay, like, don't tell them I'm hot.

Speaker 11 Anyway,

Speaker 11 so it was, it was, it was, uh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Was it fun to make? Yeah.

Speaker 11 Dancing and singing. I loved all that because I do love to dance and I love to sing, but I don't stop.

Speaker 2 I'm sweating.

Speaker 2 It's so, we can see you sweating.

Speaker 10 We can see the towel just below the frame, Sean.

Speaker 2 Damn it.

Speaker 2 Cool it off, man.

Speaker 2 As soon as she mentioned Maxwell Callahan,

Speaker 2 it just exploded.

Speaker 2 By the way, you know, I find it for you, and then I stayed for Maxwell.

Speaker 2 A couple bars. It was really more about Maxwell.

Speaker 2 Name a song. I know I love words.
Opener. Give us the opener, Sean.
Medley.

Speaker 2 No, what's the opener? What's the opening song? School's out for. No, it's a school.
It was about a school. Oh, God, I can't remember.
It's Ramones, isn't it? School's out for summer. No, no, it was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was this. It was this.
This is done. That's right.
Shaking it up.

Speaker 2 Anyways, um, I still have my bowling ball. No, you don't.
I do.

Speaker 11 And the bowling ball case.

Speaker 2 We're gonna go

Speaker 2 tonight. That's it.

Speaker 2 We're gonna rock. We're gonna roll.
We're gonna bop. We're gonna bowl.
We're gonna

Speaker 2 go. Thank God.

Speaker 2 Well done.

Speaker 10 Michelle, do you grab a little keepsake from every single job?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Not always. Not always.
Sometimes there's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 Do you have the dress from Baker Boys?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I don't. Oh,

Speaker 11 I have some of the costumes from Married's the Mom. I don't always keep them because

Speaker 10 what about a script?

Speaker 10 Do you keep the script?

Speaker 2 I keep my scripts.

Speaker 10 Okay, so you've got a stack of them like on a wall somewhere? Do you have them like bound and stuff like that?

Speaker 11 No, they kind of got mildewy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And I've been trying to clean.

Speaker 2 Do you archive stuff?

Speaker 11 No, I just.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 11 I just don't have time.

Speaker 2 Develop here, right? Yeah. Yeah.
I like that. I like that you don't.

Speaker 2 I do want to follow up before we let you go because Jason obviously

Speaker 11 has a time crunch.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's a time crunch. He's got to get out, man.
Because he's got to get up.

Speaker 11 And, Jason, by the way,

Speaker 11 I was meaning to say, I'm sorry. Maybe are you going to a doctor to address your gastrointestinal issues?

Speaker 10 Yeah, well, you know, just when I get the back is so stiff when I get up in the morning, it just sometimes the valve gets a little loose.

Speaker 2 I understand. Yeah.
God damn it, man.

Speaker 10 Michelle understands.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 10 We're all chopped a little.

Speaker 2 We're all chopped, baby. We're all chopped.
We're all chopped.

Speaker 11 That's a good t-shirt.

Speaker 2 We're all chopped. We're all.
It's a great show. It's a great show, by the way.
Yeah. Chopped.

Speaker 2 Wait, Will, you had a killer closer. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 No, not a killer closer, but I just want to ask you, because we only briefly touched upon Scarface that became this huge, of course, iconic film, Brian DePalma. You and Al Pacino.
Didn't care for it.

Speaker 10 We have a rogue Italian critic in the back of the theater in the process of getting kicked out.

Speaker 2 So so

Speaker 2 you couldn't have imagined, I imagine,

Speaker 2 what the cultural impact that Scarface had and continues to have to this day. I mean, it's just, it's phenomenal, right?

Speaker 10 We're talking about remaking it, right?

Speaker 2 Or doing another thing? I think there,

Speaker 11 I did hear something about that. Was it a television show or was it a new movie? I forget, but I did, that was a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 No? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It comes up every once in a while. I think Universal and Antong Fu quite new.

Speaker 11 I mean, I didn't have any idea it would become sort of a culture phenomenon in the way that it, and in the way that it did, too.

Speaker 2 It became this sort of

Speaker 11 cult kind of following. And

Speaker 11 so, and that was,

Speaker 11 and that was,

Speaker 11 boy, that was really intense for me. I think I want to to say the shooting went on for six months.
It went over like a couple of months. And I was playing a Coke addict.
So I was not eating. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 And I kept getting skinnier and skinnier.

Speaker 2 And Jason, anything?

Speaker 11 The crew were bringing me bagels and kind of.

Speaker 10 We're going to have to reshoot about 20 pages.

Speaker 2 Will you please eat something?

Speaker 11 Well, and then the scene at the end, you know, where she's in the restaurant and like kind of strung out and at her worst, kept getting pushed and and pushed and pushed

Speaker 11 and that was the scene where i really wanted to look my worst anyway and it was also very other than mary elizabeth

Speaker 11 master antonio like we were the only women and it was these you know it was like it was like uh

Speaker 11 guys you know it was like uh and and gangster guys and you know machismo and they were all kind of you know a little bit in character all the time and brian depalma right so and brian yeah and i was 20 i I was so young.

Speaker 11 I mean, again, the last credit.

Speaker 11 I was 23. I think the last credit I had was Grease 2.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 11 And I just didn't have a lot of experience under my belt. And I was terrified.

Speaker 11 Every night I was terrified.

Speaker 10 A lot of that was in Florida, right?

Speaker 11 Let's see.

Speaker 11 A lot of it was in LA. Oh, yeah.
Most of it was in LA on stage, and we did some Florida location stuff.

Speaker 2 But terrified because of the newness of your career.

Speaker 11 Yeah. I didn't feel worthy.
I didn't feel like I had the chops. I didn't have any experience behind me.
I had no, I had zero confidence. Yeah.

Speaker 11 And Al will admit this, he didn't really want me for the part. And I auditioned, I think, for a couple of months for it.
And I knew he didn't want me going into it. Really?

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 one of my favorite stories is when I actually made him bleed during my screen test.

Speaker 2 How so? Wait, how so?

Speaker 11 I think we don't you want to just end there?

Speaker 2 No, no,

Speaker 2 god damn it.

Speaker 11 Okay, so I'll try to make it brief. So I'm having to audition.
First of all, I come in, I do a great reading for Brian DePalma and the casting director.

Speaker 11 And I was like, it just was a good, it just happened to be good.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 11 Then they want to bring me back to meet Al

Speaker 11 and

Speaker 11 anyway, over the course of two months, I just get worse and worse and worse because I'm just afraid. Yeah.

Speaker 11 And by the end, I'm bad. And I don't blame him.
He just is like, I'm bad. And Brian finally comes to me and says,

Speaker 11 you know, doll, it's just, it's just not going to work out. I'm like, I know, man, I'm sorry.
Because Brian really wanted me.

Speaker 10 So what's wrong with the audition process? Is it just the stakes get so high? You don't do good.

Speaker 11 Yeah, as disappointed, well, you know that fear is the worst, is an actor's enemy. It's just completely undermines you.
So,

Speaker 11 so as much as disappointed as I was, I was so happy to be done with it.

Speaker 11 So, like

Speaker 11 at least a month goes by, and I get a call. They want to bring me into screen test.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 11 so I show up and I don't even give a shit because I know I'm not getting this part.

Speaker 2 Sure, yeah.

Speaker 11 So when you get them, it's a sexy indifference. So I show up.

Speaker 11 It was my best work of the film. Of course.
And it's that restaurant scene where I explode at the end and I swipe the table of the dishes and glasses break, the dishes break.

Speaker 11 Cut.

Speaker 11 There's blood everywhere.

Speaker 11 And they all run over to me

Speaker 11 to see where I've cut myself. Yeah, your hand.
Well, I didn't cut me.

Speaker 2 I cut Al.

Speaker 2 Wow. No.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 11 I thought, well, there goes that part. And he's just staring at you.
Anyway, actually, I think that was the day he was like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Really? You'll woman.

Speaker 2 I think,

Speaker 2 yeah, she's not bad.

Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 2 Charlie. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so,

Speaker 2 wait, wow, so was it, was it, did you cut him bad? And, and

Speaker 11 I cut his, I think I cut him in the finger or something.

Speaker 11 Wow. And, and it is.

Speaker 2 And you went for it. You went for it.
That's why, yeah, I love that. I love that.
Wow.

Speaker 10 There's the lesson.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's the lesson. There's the lesson.

Speaker 10 You got to give a little less shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And if I went for it more, people wouldn't fall asleep in the front row.
Exactly. Exactly.
And once you start breaking some glass, you know, make them say hello to your little friend.

Speaker 2 Make sure the front row is bleeding, Shawnee.

Speaker 10 Come on. Yeah.

Speaker 11 So before you show up, you know, to do your performance, just that's your mantra. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 I'll give you a shit. I don't give shit.
I'll cut him off. Oh, don't worry.
You watch this. Just cut him off.
I'll cut his cover

Speaker 2 while he's chewing.

Speaker 2 Michelle, thank you. We have taken up, again, way too much of your time.

Speaker 11 And Jason is late for his meeting. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2 That's all right. It's really fun.
Michelle, what a pleasure. Thank you so much for doing this.
Huge pleasure.

Speaker 2 You're the greatest. It's such a thrill.

Speaker 10 Such an honor, truly.

Speaker 11 Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 10 Thank you, Michelle. Thank you.
Have a great rest of the day.

Speaker 2 Okay. Until I see you again.
Bye-bye.

Speaker 11 Am I supposed to stay on? Am I supposed to do something? Stay close.

Speaker 2 Slam your laptop closed. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

Speaker 2 Bye-bye.

Speaker 2 Thanks.

Speaker 2 Well, Will. Okay,

Speaker 2 so I pulled it off, huh? I pulled it off. Pretty, pretty.

Speaker 10 Pretty, pretty nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no.

Speaker 10 Did that cost you any money? Like, you got to pay to get guests like that.

Speaker 2 I mean, she, I mean, God, how great is she? How cool is she? Cool. Yeah.
I know, I know. I mean, aside from the

Speaker 2 case. Did I seem nervous?

Speaker 10 No, that is, wow, what a cool thing.

Speaker 2 Aside from the talent and the looks and everything she has, she's just cool. Cool.

Speaker 2 Like, so down to earth, so cool. Just, it's just amazing.
Got it all. And then, Jason, you did put it really well, which is like, or, or was it one of you talking about

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 10 she's such a great performer she's such a great actress that that is the thing that shines yeah you always went for the acting and the beauty was just sort of just a great little side extra as opposed to there are some actors male and female that i think people do go to see like oh look i want my handsome movie star you know like and i just want to yeah you know and then uh

Speaker 10 and then you leave and it's like you know it was not no performance days with you but you you like the eye candy she's just like she's she's an incredible actor.

Speaker 2 Do you think that was okay that I brought up Grease 2 so much?

Speaker 2 Oh, we'll cut that out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 By what?

Speaker 10 By what?

Speaker 10 Most of your stuff.

Speaker 2 By what measure do you mean okay? Like it was.

Speaker 2 No, I know. Like, I couldn't tell you.
I mean, embarrassing for you, and it was

Speaker 2 awkward for me. I was like,

Speaker 2 yeah, that movie was so huge to me.

Speaker 2 No, we don't need more.

Speaker 10 We don't need more.

Speaker 10 No, I'm actually jealous. I never saw that one.
I saw the first Grease seven times in a row, just sitting in my theater chair with my sister

Speaker 2 out in the valley. This was, what, we were probably 11, 12, something like that.
Were we like sharing a bag? What was going on?

Speaker 10 The only reason we left is because the lighter ran out of butane.

Speaker 2 So we're like, let's get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 10 This is out in the West Valley in the early 80s, and it was cheap. Stuff was cheap.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 There's no way, there's no other reason you would stay and watch it seven times in a row. Oh, the theater's cool.

Speaker 10 You don't want to be sweating while you're tweaking out there in the valley.

Speaker 10 Let John and Olivia just kind of serenade you while you just.

Speaker 2 Watch it again. Watch it again.

Speaker 2 Watch it again.

Speaker 2 That is hilarious. Oh, and you watched it that many times before you said.

Speaker 2 Oh, God. Well, listen, I'm going to hear that.
Yeah, before I turned to my sister and I. Somebody grabbed the wheel of a bus.

Speaker 2 Like, somebody in a passenger just reached up and grabbed the wheel of a bus. My stop.

Speaker 2 What, say goodbye?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 10 Wait, wait, Sean, if you were to say bye in a Grease type of song,

Speaker 2 how would that?

Speaker 2 Everybody knew their role.

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