"Oscar Isaac"

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Record. How do you refer to what we're doing right now when you talk to other people?

Speaker 2 I just record. I say record.
I say record.

Speaker 2 Record or sometimes, or I'll say, oh, I have to record a smartless. Yeah.
I've got a smartless.

Speaker 3 It's a long time. What do you say?

Speaker 3 I've said pod a couple of times, and it just

Speaker 2 feels terrible. Yeah, of course it does.
Well, it sounds terrible. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hey, what about the three of us get to put our chest and faces on each other on Sunday for the first time in

Speaker 2 forever?

Speaker 2 What do you mean? We're all going to have dinner on Sunday night. Yeah.
Yeah. All right, good.
I don't think Amanda's going on.

Speaker 3 Amanda's not. So I actually have an out, but I was thinking since you guys are going to be there.

Speaker 2 Well, you better be there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be solo too this Sunday. So it's going to be,

Speaker 2 yeah. Jason, will you be.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you want me to wear something special?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I want you to pick me up. I want you to pick and open my door.

Speaker 3 And I'm going to wear that thing that you

Speaker 2 that I always asked for. No, I got it.
No, I got it.

Speaker 2 Hey, we saw, we missed you last night.

Speaker 2 I was over there, Willie, last night with Jay. Are you? Yeah, just for a quick bite.
Quick bite.

Speaker 2 How was that? Yeah, it was good. It was good.

Speaker 2 Okay, good. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay, good.
So you guys had dinner.

Speaker 2 Well, we're having dinner tonight. That's right.
Me and Willie are having dinner.

Speaker 3 You guys going to go go to jar?

Speaker 2 It doesn't matter. Yes.
How did you know that? Truly? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You want to go or no?

Speaker 2 Well, nah, we're going to see each other Sunday. You can come.
Come.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 2 It's going to be fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I haven't hung out with Carolyn yet, really. So, oh, sorry.
Can I say that?

Speaker 2 Oh, boy.

Speaker 3 Oh, well, the internet's saying it, so I think we can.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Wait,

Speaker 2 what did we talk about last night, Say? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 We talked about, hey, Will, have you seen this alter ego thing i was talking about at the table where it's a new device it's like an ai device and you put it in the back of your ear yeah listen to this this sounds like a nightmare and all whenever you whatever you think of

Speaker 2 it translates into uh text audio audio yeah audio text you imagine that like basically having a microphone on in your brain that's a nightmare yeah but i mean only if you turn it on like you you don't it's not you know i i would i would venture to say people would pay thousands and thousands of dollars to have that eliminated if that was something that was stuck on most people.

Speaker 2 But it's voluntary. If their thoughts were vocalized, the jails would be full.
And they'd empty their accounts to get rid of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But I mean, it's voluntary.
It's not like stuck to your head.

Speaker 3 No, I understand that. I'm just saying they're going to have a tough time

Speaker 3 for this new device. That just sounds like a bad thing.

Speaker 2 I hope Jason misses this pod. I hope Jason misses this pod.

Speaker 2 Hey, did I leave too abruptly last night?

Speaker 3 No, you actually triggered a mass exodus, which was fantastic. We all left right after that.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, what do you mean we all?

Speaker 2 What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 15, 20, 25 people?

Speaker 2 No, it was like eight, six people.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 Hang on a second. Wait a second.
Pump the bricks. What was I left out of?

Speaker 3 This was a specific little bite.

Speaker 2 It's a bite and smile. It was a bite and smile.

Speaker 3 A bite and smile.

Speaker 2 And I don't know these people.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 3 Not very well at all.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But we also did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You have a guest today. I do.
I know. We're going to get right to it.
I was going to share one more thing, but that's love to hear it too.

Speaker 2 I worked on material. Go ahead.
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 Okay, here we go. No, no, no, wait.
I want to hear what you're talking about. No, no, it was just that.
It was that topic, that whole thing about, you know,

Speaker 2 men and women and like sexual opportunities.

Speaker 2 So like I asked all the women at the table, like if a guy came to the door and there was the best looking guy in the world, would you, and he propositioned you, whether, you know, politely or impolitely, whatever it was, just based on looks, would you go for it?

Speaker 2 And of course, unanimously, every girl around the table was like, no, I would never do that.

Speaker 3 No, no, I would never do that. You can be much more specific than that.

Speaker 3 You can say what the actual

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 it was like if a guy, if a like dropped that gorgeous, unbelievable guy was at your door and he just like exposed himself, but not really, like, but like in a, in a, or answered in a robe or something.

Speaker 2 And of course every girl was like, no, that's disgusting. That's weird and bizarre.

Speaker 2 And not, and then, but conversely, all the gay guys and the straight guys were like, yeah, I would totally go for that.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Meaning if it was the opposite, if the door opened and a woman

Speaker 2 had her robe open,

Speaker 3 the guy would say, oh, yeah, cool if I come in.

Speaker 3 You know, as opposed to the, and I guess Sean was making a statement about the the difference in sexes.

Speaker 2 It reminds me of this old joke that my grandfather had, and this is almost a dad joke, but it's worse.

Speaker 2 It's a grandfather joke, which is a guy's on a desert island, and he's there by himself for years and years and years.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, this beautiful woman comes out of the surfer and she's wearing a wetsuit, and she says,

Speaker 2 When was the last time you had a nice cold beer? And he's like, Oh, my God, it's been forever. And she reaches into her wetsuit and pulls out a beer, and he chugs it down.

Speaker 2 She goes, When was the last time that you had a smoke? And he was like, Years.

Speaker 2 And she pulls out a cigarette lights, and he's like, Oh, my god it's incredible and then she looks at him and she goes when was the last time you played around and he goes you got golf clubs in there

Speaker 2 that's a good one it's a grandfather joke

Speaker 3 exactly but shawnee told me a great grandfather joke a granddad joke it was really dad joke yeah he says it's the cat yeah how to uh maybe sean should tell it

Speaker 2 i kind of punched up the reading a little bit okay go ahead go ahead Good.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so what?

Speaker 2 No. It's what is it? How does a cat like its steak?

Speaker 2 Rare.

Speaker 2 I can't even. It's so not even funny.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 3 You got to have the little tiny claws up when you do it.

Speaker 2 Oh, that'll help it.

Speaker 2 Guys, we're so silly. We're over.
We're over time already. All right, look, look, we got a guy.

Speaker 3 We got a guy here.

Speaker 2 We'll just thank our guests now.

Speaker 3 We'll apologize first.

Speaker 2 He's a big deal, guys.

Speaker 2 I might geek out a little bit. I'm a huge fan.
He was born in Guatemala, and then he kind of ping-ponged around the United States as a kid while his dad finished his medical residencies.

Speaker 2 He almost joined the Marines before making a sharp pivot to Juilliard. He spent most of his teens in Florida playing bass and singing in a ska punk band, including one that opened for Green Day.

Speaker 2 But now he's one of Hollywood's most versatile actors, playing everything from a folk singer, mad genius, tech guy, a rebel pilot, a superhero, a Shakespearean royalty. He's ridiculously talented.

Speaker 2 Absolute joy to watch. One of my favorite actors of all time, Oscar Isaac.

Speaker 2 Oscar Isaac! Oscar Isaac!

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Oscar Isaac. See the claws out?

Speaker 2 I'm so telling my six-year-old this joke when he home from school.

Speaker 3 You know what? Okay, we're rolling speed and action.

Speaker 3 Let's see your reading on rare.

Speaker 2 He's like, I can't

Speaker 2 do that, man.

Speaker 2 I think the claws are definitely necessary.

Speaker 3 You'd need the little kitten claws. Yeah, Sean's got great dad jokes.
You got any dad jokes, Oscar?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 my heart's pounding. You guys are so fast and so funny now.
It's so intimidating with your speed of wit.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, no, no. You should read what people say about me on this stream.
They're so sick of me at some point.

Speaker 2 I'm sick of me.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Wait, Oscar.

Speaker 2 I'm really happy. You know, because there was a moment there, I remember during the pandemic where I think there was a moment where it's like, oh, can I come and do the show way back then?

Speaker 2 And I realized I was stuck down there. Yeah.
You've been on my list to be on the show since day one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you've been on my list. But you have not stopped working on the greatest things that this business has to offer since then and before.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well done.

Speaker 3 I'm so, so happy. Every time I see you in something, I get more of those.

Speaker 2 And I just watched Frankenstein last night. It's you're

Speaker 2 you did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What are you saying? And you got home from the dinner and watched Frankenstein?

Speaker 2 No, I'm sorry, during the day yesterday, not last night.

Speaker 3 Oh, thanks for the phone call.

Speaker 2 But wait, but, and we're going to get to that, but Oscar.

Speaker 2 Holy moly, man.

Speaker 2 Your performance was

Speaker 2 incredible. I know.
I'm so sorry. I mean, just incredible.
I don't know how you do it, but anyway.

Speaker 2 Listen, thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 I'm guessing when we met a couple years ago, you could probably feel what a big fan I was.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Oscar, you describe it from your side what happened.
No, it was

Speaker 2 at the awards dinner.

Speaker 2 Yeah, or no, no, it was, I think before that, it was the Lynn Manuel Miranda kind of things that he does in the street. Right.
Right. And then we all had to like go out.
If you're in a show.

Speaker 2 he's erased that. It turns out he's erased that from his memory.
I have a notoriously terrible memory with all things, especially in like an over-uh, stimulated moment like that, which was insane.

Speaker 2 I know, me too. I'm like,

Speaker 2 but everyone, you were so sweet at the uh, what was the award? I don't even remember what the funny awards? No, no, no, it was before that where everybody kind of has a dinner on a stage. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 How awkward was that? Yeah, yeah. There's like a crowd, and then we're all on stage eating.
Like we're on display, yeah. Yeah, and then you came over and said, I was

Speaker 2 just, I just want to put it. So you're all on stage eating, and there's a crowd in the theater

Speaker 2 watching you. Well, they're eating too, right? Okay.
Yeah. Right? I think so.

Speaker 2 I don't remember.

Speaker 2 I couldn't see them. I couldn't see them.

Speaker 2 You can't really see them because there's lots of lights on. I mean, this is a new kind of dinner theater where everybody's eating,

Speaker 2 including the cast.

Speaker 3 And then let's get to Sean coming over and doing the offensive whatever it was.

Speaker 2 Was it about

Speaker 2 Star Wars?

Speaker 2 Maybe it was a Star Wars thing, but

Speaker 2 we were across the street from each other.

Speaker 2 You were doing Oscar,

Speaker 2 the triumphant, the much celebrated play.

Speaker 2 I was doing the marginally tolerated play

Speaker 2 across the way, Sidney Bruce Dean.

Speaker 2 No, no. And it was cool to be up there.
That was my first time doing Broadway. And it was kind of by happening.
Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, because we were doing it. What about Hamlet?

Speaker 2 That was in at the public. Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 Which is what, technically, off-Broadway?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's off-Broadway, yeah. Yeah, but anyway, I just, you know, huge fan.
But I want to talk about, I had no idea you played instruments and like inside,

Speaker 2 um, oh my god, Louind Louis, yeah, Louinde. Uh, incredible.

Speaker 2 Is that you really playing in the movie, too? Yeah. And was that a requirement the Cohen brothers wanted? They did.
They actually were mostly, at first they were just auditioning musicians.

Speaker 2 I had no idea you were a musician. That's so crazy.
Yeah, so I played, you know, I mean, I didn't play folk music necessarily or like that kind of style.

Speaker 2 And so when I knew, when I heard that they were going to be auditioning for it, I just really went in hardcore on learning like Travis picking and

Speaker 2 doing all that. And it was, yeah.

Speaker 2 What's Travis picking? Travis picking is kind of like, it's almost like

Speaker 2 rag time on piano where the left hand is doing the bass line and the right hand is doing the melody boom boom can you do that

Speaker 2 yeah it's called stride piano yeah stride piano yeah so it's you're kind of doing that with the guitar where the thumb is doing the bass line oh really these guys are just playing the melody oh my god difficult man yeah yeah it's kind of like uh yeah it's like almost like the the drumming where you have to kind of get some separation between the thumbs up jason i saw you drumming in a music video yesterday is that uh do you want to comment on that what

Speaker 2 what is that uh wait was it uh was was it the uh um uh uh it must have been a black rabbit or adjacent music oh right oh that yes yeah it just popped up yesterday and i just saw you hammering weird in the sky on your instagram on my instagram i know you see that yeah it's it's a crazy i saw the first episode of that you're so great

Speaker 2 man so you're so kind of so effortless can i can i tell you last night i i haven't i haven't started it yet because i want to have a i i want to binge it all in a row.

Speaker 2 I think I'm going to watch it this weekend. And I had,

Speaker 2 but Bradley texted me last night. He watched watched the final text was at 3.30 this morning.
He just sent me this tonight. Saying, I just finished Black Rabbit.
It's incredible. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 And then he called me this morning. He's like, Bateman, literally, this is not exaggerated.
Bateman is an incredible actor.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 He's seen in the car with the coins and the reaction to the gun. He's like, get it out of my fate.
It was so funny and real. It was so great.
I love it.

Speaker 3 Oscar, back to you. I want to talk about your memory because I'm wondering if I have Alzheimer's or is it just us actors that, well, although Will is an anomaly,

Speaker 3 he can remember everything. He's Mary Lou Henner's brother.

Speaker 3 But do you think that our brains have morphed into a one-trick pony where we can just remember lines and everything else, it decides,

Speaker 3 I can't have this. And it self-edits things that are not going to our bottom line.

Speaker 2 I still know all these Shakespeare monologues, but I can't, I think it's, uh, I think it's like, um,

Speaker 2 maybe it's like this anxiety. The moment there's even a slight doubt about a memory, it just erases or a person's name or anything.
Like the second there's a hesitation, it goes.

Speaker 2 Do you have face blindness at all? I have a little bit of that. Where you're just like,

Speaker 2 I do, where I'm just like, Scotty, my husband, Scotty's like, you've met that person like 20 times. I'm like, really?

Speaker 2 And it's horrible. It's a horrible thing.
I think it is that thing. It's like the, it's like a hiccup that happens, and then you're like,

Speaker 2 it's like a paralysis. Yeah, I have this.
I have a good memory, but I do have that too, Sean.

Speaker 2 It's not face-blindness, but I can't remember people say we met or we know each other or we did the thing like that. That part of my brain is completely cut off, but I can remember doing that.

Speaker 3 But like, you know, like

Speaker 3 February of 2003, you can remember.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Brad. Well, February 2003, February 2003, I auditioned for

Speaker 2 Arrested Development. And that was in February.

Speaker 3 But like November 2018, you probably know what was going on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do. November 2018, I went to England for six days.
That's fucking crazy. That's nuts.

Speaker 2 That is crazy. I don't pull it up.
I don't get that.

Speaker 3 The brain is amazing.

Speaker 2 But then there are certain parts of it that I can't remember. And I can also remember dialogue as well, Oscar.

Speaker 2 And I can remember also through, I guess, from like voiceover stuff over the years, I can remember copy from voiceover campaigns that I did 30 years ago.

Speaker 3 ago. Here comes the GMC tie-in guy's.

Speaker 2 Well, no, no, no, GMC is mentioning. I did it this morning.

Speaker 2 I did it.

Speaker 3 Was anything professional grade this morning?

Speaker 2 No, but you can get 0% in all. 2025 GMC terrain ATV.
Good lord. That river does a damn.
Okay, Oscar, I want to talk about your. So

Speaker 2 not only did I not know that you played in a band and sang

Speaker 2 in a band called The Worms, right?

Speaker 2 And then one of the names of the bands. The Worms.
What kind of music was it? Ska. Yeah, it was like Ska Punk, right? Oh, boy.

Speaker 3 I can smell the weed from here.

Speaker 2 There we go.

Speaker 2 This was before I wasn't drinking or like, I didn't drink alcohol till I was like 24 years old. So I was like, I was straight edge.
Really? Oh, wow. I was, yeah, like, I didn't,

Speaker 2 so I was always the odd one out. But how did you go?

Speaker 2 How did you do that thing where you, because Sean said it in the intro, uh, ineloquently, that you were in a band and you were in ska bands and that, and then you all of a sudden go to Juilliard.

Speaker 2 Was that one day like you're like, hey, guys, I'm out of the band. I'm going to Juilliard.

Speaker 2 Kind of. Really? Really? For real?

Speaker 2 A little bit.

Speaker 2 But you did it straight from Marines to Juilliard, which was, it was.

Speaker 2 I was. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, a little bit.

Speaker 3 Wait, were you driving a moped with a raccoon tail on it when you were playing the band?

Speaker 2 And suspenders? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Really? I'll bet you were.

Speaker 2 God, I remember those. How many times have you seen Quadraffinia? No, sorry.
Keep going.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I had graduated high school. I was in this different band called the Blinking Underdogs.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we're surprised that cleared.

Speaker 3 No one had that, huh? Nobody had it.

Speaker 2 They had the Blinkers. They had the Underdogs.

Speaker 2 And just so you know, Oscar, I was in a band called Sounds from the Stairs. So it's all

Speaker 2 the names are. So keep going.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Blinking Underdogs.

Speaker 2 So many different band names.

Speaker 2 But yeah, and so I came up to New York to do this off, off, off, off Broadway play.

Speaker 2 While you were in the band. Yeah, yeah.
And we were touring, but Florida. We didn't really get out of Florida.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And this was kind of as the third wave was cresting and kind of coming down of Ska, right?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 when did you start Closet Heterosexuals? That was the third band.

Speaker 2 That was before Ska. That was hardcore.
That was a hardcore band. Okay.
That was hardcore. Okay, got it.
C-H.

Speaker 2 C-H. Is that what you called it?

Speaker 2 And now do you still collect guitars because i know you collect well wait shun sean he's telling you a story about how he went to new york to do the play what are we doing well no i went to do the play and then i was up there and i passed by july and i was like ah juilliard let me let me go in there and and and see see what's up and i asked come on yeah yeah and i asked for an application

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 they said that the deadline was due uh already it was this was like a Tuesday and it had been due Friday and I kind of like schmoozed the lady and I was like, can I just take it back?

Speaker 2 And she's like, well, take it. Maybe you can turn in next next year and I went home that night and I filled it all out and I came back the next day and she took it and like put you know post

Speaker 2 what else did you have to do to get it was there was there an audition process yeah then there was a then there was a whole audition process where I had I had to come back and

Speaker 2 do like a monologue do a couple monologues and do like a movement class and a dance belt and

Speaker 2 wear a dance belt or wow you don't have to buy any dance belt did you add you ever kind of rare dance belt collector? Did you? Great

Speaker 2 guitars, but I have a great dance belt collection. Sure.

Speaker 3 Were you able to confirm that the other applicants had to wear the dance belt?

Speaker 2 The funny thing, no, the dance belt thing actually was not about the audition, but the first day of when you got in, they were like, this is what you have to do.

Speaker 2 And I remember I went in with my dance belt, and nobody else had put on a dance belt.

Speaker 2 We got another one.

Speaker 2 Got them.

Speaker 2 Why would you put a dance belt on just for a monologue?

Speaker 2 Because that's my craft. Okay, I got it.
I got it.

Speaker 3 Don't question.

Speaker 2 We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2 All right, so what, so Will's point, okay, so, but how did you, where did you, so you were in this band, but you always had this kind of inkling to yeah, I was doing plays.

Speaker 2 I was doing plays in Miami as well. So I was doing both at the same time.

Speaker 2 And where did the Marines come in?

Speaker 2 That was

Speaker 2 the guy, the Sachs player of the Worms. Sure.

Speaker 2 He and I just got really good. His dad was a Navy SEAL.
And so we started talking about going, going in, being, you know, getting like buff and

Speaker 2 you know and just like going in on the buddy system because you could do the buddy system at that time which is what what's a buddy system the buddy system is that you go in with a buddy and then you get to do all of basic training with your pal nobody you get to do the whole thing so like that sounds great it just sounds rad i mean it sounds so fun right you can do pull-ups and push-ups and all this stuff like it's gonna be great and the thought that you even thought that you could like i i would never occur to me i wouldn't even look it up because i'd be like i'm not getting anywhere close to that right you're gonna get kicked out when you go when you enter the barracks but i but then they're like and then i said you know oh and i'll go in for combat photography i had watched you know uh uh full metal jacket and i'm like yeah like be a combat photographer yeah and uh And so we started doing the training, like you would meet up every weekend and start like doing the training with some of the Marines, like an early training.

Speaker 2 So you did that? Yeah, yeah. And I even went and I did the,

Speaker 2 you go to like a hotel and they do all like your

Speaker 2 examinations and health stuff and you take your first oath and there's like a second oath that you have to do. Wow.

Speaker 2 And then I, and when I first signed up, I remember they gave me a pamphlet that had all like the famous Marines, like the Artsy Marines, like Brian Dennehy, and I forget who else.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I was like, great. And then I went to sign up, like when I actually really had to sign up, I was going to go in as a reservist.
And I was like, I'm here for combat photography.

Speaker 2 They're like, oh, no, that's just full-time. And I said, well, what, what can I do instead? And they said, anti-tank.

Speaker 2 And I was like,

Speaker 2 so against the tank? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm like,

Speaker 2 how do I get? All right. I'm going to think about that.

Speaker 2 Let me just think about it. And then the saxophone quit the band and said he and I weren't really close anymore.
So I lost my buddy. And then we got enough money.

Speaker 2 And then we got enough money to like record an album that summer, like to record our own like CD. Right.
And so I was like, I think I'm not going to do it. Right.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 So you did not go through the basic training.

Speaker 2 No, I didn't didn't go through any of that. Wait, so, but then you, so I want to go back to the thing because I didn't know you collected guitars.
So you, how many guitars do you have?

Speaker 2 I don't really collect guitars. I mean, I, I have some guitars, you know.

Speaker 3 But you told the Cohen brothers you did, I'll bet.

Speaker 2 Seven. Seven's pretty good.
Seven. Seven guitars.
Seven guitars in the collection. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was that the last audition you were on? The last audition I ever did was for Hudsucker Proxy.

Speaker 2 Whoa. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So it was for the Cohen brothers. I mean, I'd read today for the Cohen Brothers.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was that the last audition you've ever done?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 my last audition was for Mike Nichols. Really? Wow.
For betrayal on Broadway. Wow.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Wow. When was that? Terribly.
It was 2014.

Speaker 2 I remember I came in and I had like listened to a lot of Harold Pinter to kind of do his accent.

Speaker 2 And I was going through a divorce at the time. So I was like, man, I'm feeling this thing.
I'm not sure aware of the

Speaker 2 play, but it's very much about that infidelity and all that.

Speaker 2 And so I got there, and Juliet Rylance was the

Speaker 2 reader.

Speaker 2 She's a great, great actress, Mark Rylance's daughter. Yeah.
And

Speaker 2 I did

Speaker 2 the first scene, and Mike Nichols was quiet, and he goes,

Speaker 2 Where'd you get that accent?

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 Where'd I get it? He's like, Where would you get it? And I was like, Oh,

Speaker 2 I was listening to Pinter. I was listening to some recordings and kind of trying to do that.
He's like, oh, yeah, well, I guess different English people sound differently.

Speaker 2 And then why don't we do the next scene? So I did the next scene. And then he goes,

Speaker 2 would it make you sad to do this play every night?

Speaker 2 What does that mean? I was like, trick question. How do you answer it? And I was like, I'm just going to be honest.
Like, you know what? I was reading it on the subway ride over here.

Speaker 2 And yeah, you know, I'm kind of going through something right now. And I feel really connected to like the grief of that and the pain of that.

Speaker 2 And I feel like, yeah, it would definitely be, you know, delving into that night by night. And then Juliet Rylands, God bless her.
She's like, but also fun, too, right?

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, yeah, no, but also so fun. It's so fun doing this on my way with you.
It'd be so fun. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 2 they're like, thank you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And then I, yeah, and then I walked out.

Speaker 2 Who got it? Do you remember who got it?

Speaker 2 Rafe Spall.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, Rafe Spall.
And they did the play, they did the play as a comedy. Oh,

Speaker 2 as well.

Speaker 3 So the right answer would have been the opposite of.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the right answer was

Speaker 2 the opposite.

Speaker 2 But the trick question is, just tell me, like, what you, I want to do this at a comedy. So, yeah, okay, then it'd be fun.
Yeah. I know.

Speaker 2 You know, okay, so born in Guatemala, which I did not know either, and then Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami.

Speaker 2 Is this question going to make you sad? Yes.

Speaker 2 But also fun. I'm going to blast.
I'm going to have a blast. Keep going, keep going, keep going.

Speaker 2 Wait, all that moving around before you were six years old. And why? Because your dad

Speaker 2 is, that's what I read, that he was doing his medical something. Is it all because of your dad?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, also just like that, yeah, the immigrant story of like, you know, coming to America for a better life. And so he grew up in D.C.
He's Cuban. He was born in Cuba, but grew up in D.C.

Speaker 2 And then went to medical school in Guatemala. Him and his two brothers.
And that's where he met my mom. And then they had my sister.
And then,

Speaker 2 yeah, then I was born in like week, as I was six months old. And then we moved to D.C.
first, like Virginia, Baltimore area.

Speaker 2 I did kindergarten there, then Louisiana, because he went to LSU for his residency. And then Florida, where we had family, and his mom was there, and we lived with my grandma for a bit.
And then...

Speaker 2 And he eventually became a doctor, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Was there any

Speaker 3 pressure on you to follow in his footsteps? Or did he fully embrace the actor thing?

Speaker 2 No, he kind of he was also a bit of a frustrated

Speaker 2 artist as well. Like he would make movies with his brothers on a

Speaker 2 8mm camera.

Speaker 3 And that's what the initial spark was for you too, maybe?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
He would like bring home, every Friday was like a movie night and he would bring home these like mystery movies that we'd watch.

Speaker 2 And then he bought a camcorder and we'd make like home movies. So he must have been kind of thrilled when you kind of got into this a little bit.
Yeah, he was into it.

Speaker 2 He was into it until it became competition.

Speaker 2 Is he still with us? He's still with us. And so he must have been.
Yeah, I brought him to the Frankenstein premiere in

Speaker 2 Venice. Oh, that's so cool.

Speaker 3 Do you remember who the first actor was that he showed you that you kind of latched onto and was like, oh, I'd like to have those chops when I'm older?

Speaker 2 Tim Curry. Yeah.
Oh, really?

Speaker 2 That's cool. Because I remember I saw, he showed, we watched Clue.
Uh-huh, I love it. And then we watched Legend.
Uh-huh, I love it. And when I realized it was the same fucking guy.

Speaker 2 What about Rocky Horror? Yeah, well, then Rocky Horror after that. Although dad didn't bring that one home for movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But, but man, like, I just, I couldn't believe that that was the same guy. And I noticed it because the way that his lip curled at one point as like the devil.

Speaker 2 And he went like, oh, my God. Yeah.
Oh, you can, whoa.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 What about, not to jump around, sorry, but what about, how about Cuba? I've always been fascinated with Cuba.

Speaker 3 Have you been able to go there since your dad's root, sir?

Speaker 2 I haven't been. I haven't been, you know, like I grew up in Miami, Cuba world, which is like everyone's so traumatized and afraid and it's so complicated.
But I've wanted to go.

Speaker 2 We almost went when Lou and Davis came out. Actually, we were going to go to the film festival, and then at the last minute, it didn't happen.
But it's definitely a place I want to go.

Speaker 3 It's current. I feel so dumb, as usual.

Speaker 3 You can't go there freely?

Speaker 2 It opened up for a moment

Speaker 2 under Obama and then closed up and now

Speaker 2 closed up again. Well,

Speaker 2 as an American,

Speaker 2 Canadians go, I know that a lot of Canadians go there on holiday all the time. There are lots of flights, and I know that.
Oh, is that reputation? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right.
Go to Cuba?

Speaker 2 I mean, why would you want to go? Like, because it's beautiful? Oh, there's our quote for the day.

Speaker 2 I mean, fuck you.

Speaker 3 Enjoy your vacation.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's an incredible plan.

Speaker 2 How many demographics are you trying to get rid of at one, man?

Speaker 2 You know, I just didn't know what the draw was. Like, I know what the draw is.
It's beautiful. Put the shovel down.

Speaker 2 It's got incredible culture. It's got a lot of people.
Okay, okay, okay. I just didn't know people are like, hey, I can't wait to go to Cuba.

Speaker 2 They feel the same way about you and your maul. What's their dream?

Speaker 2 Why doesn't you mall all the time?

Speaker 2 Okay. So anyway, Oscar.

Speaker 2 So I grew up super, super Catholic. You grew up very, is it safe to say evangelical or Christian? No, evangelical.
Now listen.

Speaker 3 And to religion.

Speaker 2 No, think it's fat I think it's fascinating because

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 because they you you were like devout we're talking spiritual abuse

Speaker 2 yeah totally totally I love talking about we don't have to talk about it but I love dude do because I don't I know zero about religion please yeah I mean you know it's it there's some wonderful Catholics there's some wonderful Christians and then there's the ones that are beyond hypocritical but do

Speaker 3 you guys know like what is the difference between Catholic Christian, Evangelical, Episcopalian, Protestant, Methodist, Lutheran?

Speaker 2 They're all Christian. They're all under this big umbrella of Christianity, right?

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 is there a singular difference that separates each one of them, like, as far as interpretation of the Bible goes?

Speaker 2 Yes, yes. Yes.
Okay. Yeah, I guess that's a short answer.

Speaker 3 But is it like an identifiable, like, could it be a jeopardy question? Like, what is the single difference between Lutheran and Episcopalian?

Speaker 2 Is it well like put it this way like the episcopal episcopal church came from is church of england right and it was established as a as a sort of an offshoot of catholicism because henry viih wanted to be able to divorce his wife jesus christ

Speaker 2 so he established the church of england and martin luther comes yeah and then and so of course it's a little bit different it's kind of like uh a lot of people describe uh uh church of england as sort of catholic light without all the pageantry that's a sort of a simplistic view but then there are all these different yeah yeah and in catholicism there's a lot more intercept in intercessors, I guess is the word, you know, like the saints and people that you pray to, and

Speaker 2 like you said, the pageantry,

Speaker 2 which to go to Frankenstein, is a very Catholic Mexican

Speaker 2 version of it, but he talks about it very much in that way, you know, like a lot of Christ figure, like the forensic nature of the crucifixion.

Speaker 2 How about in the movie when the monster's up in the thing? I was just

Speaker 2 shy of being across. I mean,

Speaker 2 definitely, no, we called it the crucifixion. There's even a thorn, you know, the metal thorns on the head.
No, totally.

Speaker 2 I thought it was cool, but that, but did, was that a conscious choice of Guillermo or whoever to not make it a specific cross, but just at an angle? Have it a little bit angle?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It wasn't an accident.

Speaker 3 Now, is working with Guillermo del Toro everything that you would hope and think that it is?

Speaker 3 He just strikes me as just such an infectiously enthusiastic and kind leader, not to mention his creative abilities are just unmatched.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
It was, it was,

Speaker 2 I had, I was like a kid. There was just so much joy.
It was so much, so much fun. It was this particular

Speaker 2 approach to it, too, where, you know, while he was writing it, he's like, Cabron, I'm making you a banquet. And he really, he really did.
It was just like a feast of stuff to do every day.

Speaker 2 We only spoke in Spanish to each other.

Speaker 2 He would direct in jokes mostly, like dirty Mexican jokes. But also, in like, and he was just ebulent, really funny.
There was no whispering behind monitors.

Speaker 2 You know, it was like if there was a problem, everybody knew it. If something was great, everybody knew it.

Speaker 2 That's amazing.

Speaker 2 It was just really, really fun. He would, and it's like zero pretension whatsoever.
You know, he was, he'd be like,

Speaker 2 Cabron, I need a lot of jamon on this one.

Speaker 2 What do I mean? He's like, Jamon

Speaker 2 with mustard and mayonnaise to make it go down easy. I just need you to look up and look right past the camera and hold it.

Speaker 2 Or he'd be like,

Speaker 2 I need you to do the Maria Cristina, which is like a telenovela thing. He's like, I need you to be in profile and then walk across a counter to him and then stop and turn around and look.
Right.

Speaker 2 Super dramatic. You know, he's like, just give it to me.
Give this, make this one Mexican happy.

Speaker 2 Wow. I love that.
The scope of the movie is so massive. Like, how long was the shoot?

Speaker 2 I mean, it spanned nearly eight months. Wow.
With where was it? There was a two-month break where he shot miniatures

Speaker 2 in London.

Speaker 2 We shot it in Toronto and in the UK, Scotland.

Speaker 2 Do you, do you, when you do something like that with a, with a director like that who has such a vision, right?

Speaker 2 And he has, and, and he has such a, but, but from what I understand from you, also a very collaborative

Speaker 2 spirit. Do you, not to get sort of too, but do you, when you are in that,

Speaker 2 your ability,

Speaker 2 what are the sort of the parameters or are there any of sort of bringing stuff in your thoughts and feeling like you can just go out on a limb with a guy like him?

Speaker 2 Is it just pretty wide open in that way? It is. That was the one thought when I was going into it.
I know he's an animator. I know the visual language is so precise.

Speaker 2 And so I, you know, I went in expecting like, all right, the constraints are going to be tight, but that's the, that's the job. But

Speaker 2 he actually was in, in a very different,

Speaker 2 he talks about like making the movie with Bradley really shifted him. Like it really opened him up in like an amazing way.
And you credit him. Nightmare Alley.
Yeah, Nightmare Alley.

Speaker 2 He credits him a lot with like just him learning how to listen to the movie. He would talk a lot about that while we were shooting it.
Just like the movie kind of tells you what it needs.

Speaker 2 In fact, at one point, I was saying, I don't, you know, I'm, I find myself like, am I not shaking it up enough? Am I not like being kind of dangerous enough and going out on a limb enough?

Speaker 2 And he's like, no, that's that's an idea. It's like the movie kind of tells you what it needs, and however you're responding is what it's needing.

Speaker 2 And if it's needing you to be this way, then, then don't second guess that so much.

Speaker 2 He gave a lot of feeling to all of us of like, you can't fail. I wrote this stuff for you.

Speaker 2 It's there's nothing to like reach for,

Speaker 2 which was great. And also, but, you know, but also there it was a very, it's a very specific kind of performance.
He said, you know, it's not naturalistic. It's heightened.

Speaker 2 I want the speed of language, speed of thought. There's not a lot of pausing for you guys.

Speaker 2 It's kind of high camp

Speaker 2 and high melodrama and just all heart. Like that's what he wants it to be.
All hearts. So he was really specific about the tone before you guys guys got started.
Yeah, that's helpful.

Speaker 2 God, that's really helpful, I bet. For sure.

Speaker 3 Did he attempt to sort of give you a taste for that collectively by doing any sort of like table reads ahead of time or rehearsals in a group

Speaker 2 around a table? No, he didn't want to do that so much. We did have one big table read

Speaker 2 with like the execs and all that.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that was it. I mean, he, you know, because he was quite protective of the script as he was writing it.

Speaker 2 You know, I think partly out of just like a little insecurity as well, like, I'm not sure it's quite there yet.

Speaker 2 And so he kept adjusting. And I mean, every day he was working.
Like, even behind the monitor, he was drawing his

Speaker 2 storyboards. He would be quilting the movie as we went along.
Like, sometimes you would do a take and he would like put it right into the flow of the edit so he would just show you.

Speaker 2 Like we did the last scene of the movie and the next day he came in with you know Johan Johansson music on it and showed the edited scene to me.

Speaker 2 How did you like that, or how did it affect what you were doing?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, that example in particular was interesting because, you know, it was the last scene of the movie. And so I want to try to talk about it without giving too much away of it.

Speaker 2 It's like a highly emotional crescendo of the whole thing.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I spent the day like in the zone, like listening to all my sad sack music and, you know, like looking at pictures of sad times, you know doing like the full anti-Mike Nichols moment and right

Speaker 2 this is in the Arctic this is

Speaker 2 yeah in the ship yeah and you know and like did you know and I went in and like didn't talk to anybody and I lay down we did this scene and there was tears and everybody was really happy and Guillermo was you know high five and all yeah we got it and then the next day he showed it to me and I was like I don't I don't really buy it.

Speaker 2 Like me, me. I was like, I don't, I was like, was that take five? I thought take five was the good take.
He's like, that's take five comes on. I was like, I don't think that's take five.

Speaker 2 And then we looked and it wasn't take five, but then take five wasn't that much better either.

Speaker 2 Was it because you think that you came in with too much of that, too much of this and not listening to that?

Speaker 2 Check out what happened. So then, then, then, I was sitting there and then Guillermo comes over and he's like, what's wrong?

Speaker 2 I was supposed to just do like a little insert of my hand, grabbing his hand. And he's like, what's wrong? And I was like, I don't know, man.
I'm feeling a little insecure.

Speaker 2 And he's like, well, you are an actor. I was like, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 But i just feel like should i have looked up maybe when i said sorry should i have yeah i just and he's like no no no no no those are all ideas you know you were honest and you thought about your mom and you thought about all these things and that was there and i was like all right okay and then i went away for like 30 minutes and um i was like i'll just have to be a dead body for the rest of the day and i came back and he had set up a whole different thing and i was like what are we doing he's like we're gonna do it again We're gonna do your close-up again.

Speaker 2 And he's like, from yesterday. From yesterday.
And he's like, you know what? It's okay. Like, we're gonna see if, you know, we definitely have something.
If you don't have anything, that's okay.

Speaker 2 I'll just make fun of you for the rest of your life. You know,

Speaker 2 win-win. And so, like, really quickly, I'm like throwing on my ear pods to try to like find a song to get me sad again.
Like, I'm just trying to do all this shit. And I just, I didn't have any time.

Speaker 2 I like laid down and we did it. And we did like four takes.
And it was way better. Yeah.
Just like I wasn't, I didn't have time to try to like evoke anything. Yes.
Or like, it was like more sober.

Speaker 2 It was more severe. It just was like, it was just.
You didn't have to bring a preconceived idea of what it should be as opposed to just letting it be. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's what's in, it's what's in the film, you know. I love that.

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Speaker 3 So, but that adjustment in your performance came as a result of you watching what you were doing. And are you good about that? Because I'm sure you've worked as many actors as we have.

Speaker 3 But some actors,

Speaker 3 they don't watch themselves. They can't watch themselves.
I learned so much from seeing how bad I am sometimes. It's like, oh, don't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 Or you think it's coming across this way, but it actually comes across this way.

Speaker 2 That's what it goes. I asked Christoph Waltz, who's on it, right? It's like a legend.
I asked him specifically about that. And he's like, he doesn't watch.

Speaker 2 He's like, because it's okay if you watch and you think it's not good. But the bad thing is when you watch and you think it's good.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And like that can be way worse.
Why is that that? Because then it's cut together and you're like, oh, maybe it wasn't that great.

Speaker 2 Or there's just like a self-consciousness or you think, you know, it's just for him. But, but this wasn't,

Speaker 2 but there's many times when I've watched something and I'm like, I can do it better and i just and i can't you know it's it's in so i don't know man i don't know but but that was there was a moment there after i that happened when i was like well does i have to watch every take or every scene i just said no you know it i think

Speaker 3 yeah i i it's for me it's not like a definitive sure thought of like one or the other um i've also asked a bunch of people this this question as well but um uh with all you single yeah and what is your sign and you're rising um with the incredible directors that you've worked with uh do you ever fantasize about cherry-picking from each one of them and becoming a smoking director yourself

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 yeah i think sometimes yeah i mean i thought originally that's what i kind of was more into like i came into like acting all from like making movies with friends and doing that and yeah um yeah uh yeah i think about it sometimes oh that would be incredible please too You'd be great.

Speaker 2 When you say think about it sometimes, I want to, do you have an idea in your mind of something that's kind of back to you? I don't.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm like, until that thing happens where it's like,

Speaker 2 you know, I think until that happens. What scares me a little bit is just I'm incredibly indecisive.

Speaker 2 As just a human being, like even with a menu or with anything, I just get,

Speaker 2 I get just crippled with like, I don't, I don't know. So like someone being like red shirt or blue shirt, I'd be like, ah, I don't know.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 But I guess it's also a conversation. It's like, I don't know, what's the difference?

Speaker 2 So kind of looking at it, maybe it's more of a conversation than a decision.

Speaker 2 Right. Right.
Right. How do you do that, Jason?

Speaker 3 I mean, you, if you, I, I, when somebody told me once, it's okay to say you don't know. it it freed me up a lot.

Speaker 3 Like that, that's actually a great, a great answer when they come to you with all those thousands of questions. You say, I'm going to come back to you on that.
Give me a second to think about that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's okay to do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's, it alleviates a lot of the. You mean in live shown, you're saying, yeah,

Speaker 2 I know, I mean it. I'm being serious.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a really important life. I do it too.
Also, when people go out, they want an answer. I'm like, well,

Speaker 2 somebody told me, like, I don't have to answer them on their timeline. That's right.
Yeah, I only learned it in like the last 10 years, but I've seen

Speaker 2 a year ago. I don't know what that word means.
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 Can you repeat what you just said? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't care anymore.

Speaker 2 But I want to get back to

Speaker 2 why I don't care about being perceived as like this. Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 2 which actually helped me with like the not remembering people like i i just go out on a limb and i'll try i'll think i think your name is this oh no if i'm wrong

Speaker 2 it's okay they say they say no it's not kathy it's melissa and i'm like sorry

Speaker 2 i go a step further oscar i go i think your name should be this

Speaker 2 sign a name um wait so a little more of your of your personal stuff uh oscar if you don't mind like your wife is this alviralyn she's beautiful beautiful, talented, incredible documentary filmmaker.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's incredible. Incredible.

Speaker 2 And she, I just saw the trailer, and I did not know this until I was researching you for King Hamlet, which I can't wait to watch. It's you playing.
It's it, it, what is it?

Speaker 2 Is it the making of the play Hamlet and it's following you around from about the process from rehearsal to

Speaker 2 is that what it is? Yeah, so in 2017, it was this crazy confluence of things that happened where

Speaker 2 my mother passed away in February.

Speaker 2 We got married in March. In April, our first child was born.
And in April, I started rehearsals for Hamlet, like this four-hour version of Hamlet, this thing that I was working on for like 12 years.

Speaker 2 And so her being a documentary filmmaker and having a new baby and like just kind of not knowing how to process this, you know, she's from Denmark too, and she's kind of thrust into this whole other world of stuff.

Speaker 2 She just started picking up a camera and started filming. You know, around that time,

Speaker 2 before that, we were also filming. Like I would play music and she would like film little music videos and we would put them on Vimeo and stuff.

Speaker 2 And so it was kind of a natural extension of that. And so she just started filming because the idea was she was going to film some of the making of...
of this project.

Speaker 2 And when all this stuff started happening, she just kept filming. So like when I went down to my mom for hospice, she was kind of there.

Speaker 2 And I told her, you know, this, the only way we can do this is if it's okay if this never sees the light of day as well.

Speaker 2 And she said, yeah, of course, of course. I don't even know what I'm doing.
I'm just filming because I don't know what the fuck else to do. And so that's what we did.

Speaker 2 And she filmed this whole process and then

Speaker 2 put it away. And then about a year ago, took out the hard drives and started looking through it and started piecing it together with her great editor that she's worked with.
Really cool.

Speaker 2 And then she kind of came up with this. kind of beautiful movie about what kind of what we do, right? Which is like how you deal with your life and how those things intertwine.
And yeah.

Speaker 3 Did she say to you, hey, remember that thing we said we'd never show the light of day? I'm working on it. Did she tell you,

Speaker 3 or did she show you something first?

Speaker 2 She showed me something first. She's like, hey, I've been putting this thing together.
What do you think of this? And yeah, and I watched it.

Speaker 2 I was like, I don't know what I think of that, but keep going, you know, keep going.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's really cool. And with a newborn on her hip the entire time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 She sounds incredible. Michael.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's incredible. Yeah.
And she shot it as as well. And it's very funny, too, because it's just, it's the absurdity of everything that's happening.

Speaker 2 And must have been very vulnerable to watch that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, to watch it again. I mean, I hadn't seen any of that footage, especially with my mom and our family.
And, you know, it was,

Speaker 2 yeah, it was really, really intense, but really proud of her for doing it.

Speaker 3 How did you guys, how did you guys meet? Was it at Juilliard?

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 She happened to be in New York working on something.

Speaker 2 right and uh she it was like a movie she had finished and it was like some after party for it and my manager at the time was like you got to come to this party and I was like I'm not I am preparing for my Cohen brothers movie I am not gonna go to this thing he's like dude there's this chick you got it you just gotta come and I was like all right but I'm gonna go dressed as Lou and Dance

Speaker 2 and my hat and my guitar yeah well this is before I had started right but I dressed in the outfit and I was like and I'm gonna go and I'm gonna like I'm gonna try to do this thing where where I can project warmth without smiling.

Speaker 2 Let's see if I can do it.

Speaker 2 Sure. Or like tell a joke, but not laugh to let anybody know it's a joke and let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 Wow. And so I went in and I was like sitting there with my fingerless gloves and eating and nobody else was eating and

Speaker 2 her being like

Speaker 2 a documentarian was like, who's this? little brown weirdo, you know, in the corner. And like comes over and starts talking to me.
And

Speaker 2 then I told her her I was a musician.

Speaker 2 No way. No way.

Speaker 2 Perhaps you've heard of the closet heterosexuals.

Speaker 2 And at one point, she's like, I can't tell her, are you flirting with me?

Speaker 2 And I was like, yeah, yeah, I am.

Speaker 2 Aw, that's cute.

Speaker 2 I love it. That's how it started.

Speaker 3 Are you a cat guy? I'm sure you asked.

Speaker 3 But that was the question at the junket, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 That was the question.

Speaker 3 Do you play guitar and are you a cat guy?

Speaker 2 It's so funny. Like a lot of these things I'm saying too, like I do realize there are anecdotes that I have said before and so

Speaker 2 I feel like after you say I don't know if you guys get this but like saying anecdotes after a while you feel like I think I'm lying right

Speaker 2 so much I don't think this is true. Yeah yeah yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 John, hang on Star Wars. We'll get to it.
I know I know but and ex Machine and June. I know I can't wait.

Speaker 2 I used to think that I could speak to cats so I would like go to the backyard and like meow a lot and cats would come.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Hang on a second.

Speaker 2 let's just pause in here for a second, Oscar.

Speaker 2 Elaborate.

Speaker 2 That was it. It was just like, rare.

Speaker 2 And they were like, that's why you like the joke. That's why you like the joke so much.
All right, I don't have a lot of time.

Speaker 3 Hit him with the sci-fi.

Speaker 2 I don't have a lot of time. I got to get through this stuff because I want to know about

Speaker 2 ex-Machina. Ex-Machina incredible.
Listen to me. I've seen it like 10 times.

Speaker 2 I know every line. Scotty and I quote it all the time.
You know, we still go, Kyoko, Go-Go, right?

Speaker 2 That made me laugh. So, wait, so it came out in 2014.
Yeah. How crazy.
Can you believe the relevance it has today? Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, Alex Garland, he's just. It's wild, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He keyed into this thing. And even the way that we gather information, you know, he talked, you know, Nathan, the character I play,

Speaker 2 talks about like, well, yeah, you know, I'm going to, I gather all the signals from all the cell phones and I get it all. And that's how I'm going to be.

Speaker 2 I mean, everything you talked about in the movie is happening right now. Yeah.
It's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. I just.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I wonder, does that occur to you when you see stuff or you're reading stuff that's going on in the world and you go, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I was there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
It was, it was, it's, but it felt like that when I read the script and then Alex Garland and I kept like talking about it and working on it.

Speaker 2 We would look at it from every angle and look at like the current,

Speaker 2 you know, literature and everything that was going on at the time. And it just, it felt like completely locked in.
And, you know,

Speaker 2 it's amazing how it holds up. Alex Garland is, I mean, this guy, I mean, right.

Speaker 3 Well, let's hope not all your films are harbingers. Dune

Speaker 3 is a pretty bleak look into our film.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, right? But now, but incredible film,

Speaker 2 amazing, and you're amazing in it. And Zindi Villenoux, like you get to, you get all the, you get all the great ones that you get to work with.
I read this.

Speaker 2 I want you to tell the guys, if you want to, I can tell it, which is one of the best pranks I've ever heard of on any film shoot on Dune. When you, after the nude scene.

Speaker 2 Speaking of dance belts. Speaking of dance belts.
Go ahead. Dance palette, Sean.
Well, it's called, what is it really called? You call it a cock sock, right?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 or a modesty sock. Kingdom.
Modesty sock. Not the modesty stock.
Not a showy cause of that, but yeah. I'm going to get it wrong, but you left your,

Speaker 2 so you did the scene and you had a, quote, modesty sock on, and you put it in Denise's jacket pocket, right? And his chest pocket.

Speaker 2 And he later pulled it out. Yeah, yeah, well, I left, and then I got a picture of him holding it like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 At the dinner table

Speaker 2 after the take. That's holy.

Speaker 2 He says this is true that MoMA asked for it. Oh, my God.
Oh, really?

Speaker 2 Really? Well, they'd be smart to get it. They'd be smart.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, they got a wall big enough.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Good for you. Good for you.

Speaker 2 Good for you.

Speaker 3 Shawnee, anything on Star Wars?

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, just the dumb question, the obvious question is: is a real fan? Right, he's tattooing a real place. Look at this.

Speaker 2 What's Dark Vader like in the morning?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 the basic question is: were you a fan? Were you freaked out that you got the part? Like, was it

Speaker 2 a huge fan as a kid? No, but my family were huge, huge fans, like collectors and

Speaker 2 my uncle in particular was massive, massive.

Speaker 3 Oh, he loved making that phone call.

Speaker 2 Oh, man, that phone call was

Speaker 2 great. And he came, he was an extra a couple of times.
He got to live with me. Whatever I brought him,

Speaker 2 he died a couple of years ago, which was, you know,

Speaker 2 so rest in peace. But it was the most amazing thing.
Like, I brought him and I couldn't find him. And he was like in Carrie Fisher's trailer, just like hanging out.
Yeah, that's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. I mean, Scotty and I just visited the set of the new Star Wars movie with Sean Levy directing when I was in London, and we got to go to the creature shop.
I mean,

Speaker 2 that's like everything we're for. I don't know if you're into that, but I was just like, it's so, it's so cool that you were part of the reboot of this franchise.

Speaker 2 You were the first part of the reboot. I mean,

Speaker 2 and look at where it's at now. It's like last night at the dinner table, Jason, and we're all sitting around.
And out of nowhere, I go, has anybody seen the trailer for Mandalorian and Grogu?

Speaker 2 Just silence.

Speaker 3 Nobody's seen it. Except I said, I seen it, and it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 Yes, Yes, I can't wait to see that movie.

Speaker 3 And didn't you say that you have not seen the trailer or you refuse to see the trailer?

Speaker 2 Me? No, God, I saw it selling.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, I saw it. I love it.
Oh, no, no.

Speaker 3 There was a guy I was with yesterday said that

Speaker 3 he will not see it yet because it'll get his, he won't see it until it's closer to release because he's just going to get too excited.

Speaker 2 He can't sustain the excitement.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right, rapid fire before we let you go. Ready? Yeah.
If we were roommates for a week, what would be be the one Oscar Isaac cork that would drive me insane? And what's the one that I would love?

Speaker 2 You cook? Sean? Sean, look at you.

Speaker 2 I don't really cook. I mean, I can cook, but I don't cook a lot.

Speaker 3 So Sean's not happy with that. What would he love?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 What would drive you insane? What would you love that I don't cook very much? What would you love?

Speaker 2 Theater stories. Theater stories, hugs.
I'm very affectionate.

Speaker 2 You love a hug.

Speaker 3 There you go. Inappropriate, unnecessary.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Impromptu hugs.

Speaker 2 Cocks, hugs.

Speaker 2 Who's most likely to win in a board game? You, Jessica Chastain, or Ethan Hawk?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 I guess it depends on the board game, but, you know, Scrabble. How about Scrabble? Sure.
Sure.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with Ethan because, you know, he's like a poet and a writer, and he's just, you know, that's kind of

Speaker 3 individual.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, me too. He's so incredible.
Yeah. Love him.

Speaker 2 And I love that you read that you improvise lullabies for your two sons. No, what? You just sit there with it, you sit there with the guitar and you just make up songs for them.
I did.

Speaker 2 Well, now it's funny because I did that for a while, and then they were like, please stop.

Speaker 3 And so I got old enough to say stop.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they just didn't like whenever I would like play guitar or sing, and that went away for a bit. But recently, in the last year, it's come, I just bought this looper pedal.

Speaker 2 So, like, we've got this, you know, I'll just kind of show you a little bit. Like, we got like old drums here.

Speaker 2 I like guitars. There's the looper pedal down there.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 And so we've just been making a lot of music together. How old are they?

Speaker 2 He's going to turn six. Mads is going to turn six on Sunday, and Eugene is eight.
Oh, my God. Wow.

Speaker 2 Prime time. I know.
That's so good to get them into that young. And

Speaker 2 how old are you and you start playing piano? Five.

Speaker 2 Really? There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do they, do they, have they seen dad's movies or anything? Yeah. Yeah, they've seen some of them.
They've seen Star Wars. Eugene was actually asked me about Star Wars yesterday.

Speaker 2 How are they with the notes?

Speaker 3 Are they kind with the notes?

Speaker 2 They're a little tough with the notes, I got to say.

Speaker 2 Kids are tough.

Speaker 2 I can't say enough about you and Frankenstein. I just think it's an incredible performance.
It just blew me away.

Speaker 3 I can't say enough about you and everything, Austin.

Speaker 2 And everything. I'm winning this interview.

Speaker 3 You were fantastic and you were very nice to join us.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Really, really cool.

Speaker 2 Thanks, guys. And I will, I can't wait to see what you did in that movie, man.
Oh, you're so good in that.

Speaker 3 Wait, do you see that? He and Bradley just rocked it.

Speaker 2 Thanks, man.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 you're one of the great. You're one of our greats, man, for real.

Speaker 2 Oscar, you're having the, and you're a great dude. We've, we hung out a couple of times.
You're such a great dude. It's so good to see you, man.
Yeah, thank you for being here, Lynn.

Speaker 3 Enjoy the rest of your day. Good luck with Frank and Richard.

Speaker 2 We're all going to go see it. Awesome.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Oscar.

Speaker 2 Thanks, buddy. Thanks, guys.
Thanks, Oscar.

Speaker 3 Bye, pal. Bye.

Speaker 3 Well, that was tough saying good night to Oscar there.

Speaker 3 I could talk to him forever.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. He's in so many of my favorite movies.
I mean, that ex-Machina is just incredible. Everything.

Speaker 2 But wait, you see Frankenstein? I can't wait.

Speaker 2 Everything that guy does is so incredible. I know.
How is somebody so good?

Speaker 2 I know. He's so good.

Speaker 2 It's all I have to say. I'm like blown away.
Literally, we're all thinking here about all his different performances. You're like, oh, yeah, he's so good in that.
He's so good at that.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's so good in that.

Speaker 3 Do you think it's something in the water at Juilliard? Or do you think

Speaker 3 they come in?

Speaker 2 I think they do a pretty good job of vetting.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 But what we should do is we should do an episode where we have the people from Juilliard who never did shit. Yeah, right.
Right. And have them on.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Right. Or the people that didn't make it in.

Speaker 2 You know, or the people who didn't make it was us. So the first three.

Speaker 2 There's the first three. Doesn't get shittier than us.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Do you think they do, like, do you think they teach people musicals in

Speaker 2 Juilliard? Like, what? Like, can you think of any other top of your head? Like, maybe like bye-bye birdie.

Speaker 2 Why don't you commit to it? Oh, bye bye.

Speaker 2 Bye, Bertie. Or bye-bye.
Bye-bye, Bertie. That was a really short outro.

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