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Speaker 1 shadowland

Speaker 1 people that often want to make the simple things hard.

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Speaker 1 our storyteller Catherine, she studied archaeology in college. And when she was a senior, she got to head into the field like a real archaeological dig.

Speaker 1 She went with all the other seniors, a few professors, to a site that her university owned.

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Speaker 1 Catherine asked us to keep this location a secret for a very good reason.

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Speaker 13 I'm really excited to see a large scientific investigation and to get to bond with these people in my program and to kind of really, you know, put my money where my mouth is as far as becoming an archaeologist.

Speaker 13 So we meet on a Monday morning in the archaeology lab. We all pack into the bus and the professor drives down behind us in his pickup truck.

Speaker 13 We're in the south, but we're not in the deep south. It's farming, tobacco, fields, and we're in a largely agricultural area in a river valley.
I'm driving down this little unmarked road.

Speaker 13 It's not dirt road, but it's close. And this was really in the middle of nowhere.
Even compared to our small town, this is absolutely the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 13 And then you turn into kind of a dirt driveway, and there's this tiny

Speaker 13 little house.

Speaker 13 My first impression of the house is that it's kind of cute. It's, you know, probably built in the 1920s or 30s.
It's this little white wood siding house with a little front porch.

Speaker 13 And other than the kitchen, students aren't really supposed to be in most parts of the house, which suits me well because it's full of like spiders and cockroaches and I don't really want to be in there anyways.

Speaker 13 It's got these, you know, creaky wooden floors and these old wooden stairs.

Speaker 13 And the upstairs, it's got these kind of like slanted roofs, and you've got some like eaves and some little nooks and crannies around there.

Speaker 13 It's a cute little house, it's just very small and old.

Speaker 13 And then over behind the little white house, there's a fire pit and a big ring around it. And then off to one side, there's two pretty rough bunk houses, one for boys, one for girls.

Speaker 13 No AC, no running water in them.

Speaker 13 The birds are singing, the insects are chirping because we are, again, in the middle of the woods. There's bugs everywhere.
And it just feels very cheery, I think is the best word for it.

Speaker 13 We do the fieldwork like a solid 30 minutes away.

Speaker 13 It's not too far as the crow flies, but the way we have to get there, it's a long drive across a river in the middle of this old battlefield, essentially.

Speaker 13 I can't really say more about the location of the field school or the site that we dig at. We do tend to have a big problem with looters.

Speaker 13 If they know that there is a Native American site there, they could potentially dig up graves or other disrespectful things that we don't want them doing.

Speaker 13 So it's, you know, we get in and we're like looking around. It's like, okay, unload.
Like, let's go. We've got jobs to do.

Speaker 13 So excited, but busy is how I was feeling.

Speaker 13 A couple days later, we come back from site.

Speaker 13 Our routine is to, you know, you split up and whoever is on dinner crew goes to cook dinner and then everyone kind of naturally congregates around the fire pit until dinner is ready.

Speaker 13 Our professor grabs everyone's attention in a way that we can tell he's he's going to kind of make an announcement.

Speaker 13 The professor goes on to tell us that, you know, the school had bought the property.

Speaker 13 You know, he told us that they did have to bring on some volunteers and go clean out the house, take all the personal effects out of the house and make it right for our field station purposes.

Speaker 13 While they were doing this

Speaker 13 in a crawl space up in the upper floor, they found this diary that had belonged to one of the daughters.

Speaker 13 He tells us that the property was previously owned by a family. The father worked at the mill and he was an alcoholic and abusive.

Speaker 13 He got laid off one day and came home and

Speaker 13 shot his two daughters and his wife and then himself.

Speaker 13 We're sitting in a circle, it's really easy to see everyone's faces. And most people

Speaker 13 are somber

Speaker 13 and shocked.

Speaker 13 I was just thinking, how terrible.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 1 he

Speaker 13 Pretty much says that since there was no other family that they knew of they decided to just respectfully dispose of the diary by burning it that night

Speaker 13 and hope that it would kind of set things to peace for that family.

Speaker 1 And he

Speaker 13 was just saying, you know, just so we're aware, there's, you know, people have said they've heard things

Speaker 13 or seen things,

Speaker 13 but no one had really had any experiences themselves.

Speaker 13 I am, you know, very much inclined to believe him because he's my professor and I know him pretty well and I trust him.

Speaker 13 But at the same time, I think that it sounds a little far-fetched.

Speaker 13 Eventually, people start saying that things are going missing and coming back up places where they shouldn't be, or that they are seeing shadows at night and stuff like that.

Speaker 13 I do have a friend who one night he is laying awake in his bunk. He's got a window next to his bunk, and the light from the bathhouse was kind of illuminating the area.

Speaker 13 And he sees this big, tall shadow just slowly walk past his window.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 in his words, I think his response was nope, and just turned over and decided to ignore it.

Speaker 13 What freaks him out is that the whole camp is covered in mulcher gravel, and you can hear people walking pretty easy. And he

Speaker 13 doesn't hear any footsteps go by with this big shadow.

Speaker 13 But other than that, there were just little things.

Speaker 13 These stories are prevalent throughout all aspects of camp life. I think they're really fun, and I like to hear about them.

Speaker 13 But again, I don't really think that there's much truth to them.

Speaker 13 We leave the site around three or four, pack up all our gear, drive back to the camp, and then everyone just ends up hanging out around the campfire until dinner's ready.

Speaker 13 It's not uncommon for alumni to kind of drop in and out throughout the field season as they're able.

Speaker 13 And one of our more involved alumni had just arrived at camp, you know, just to kind of help out in general for a week or so.

Speaker 13 He's hanging out with the professors and the assistants during dinner and all that.

Speaker 13 And then eventually, people start to go, Oh, like, hey, like, if you knew anything about this weird stuff that happens here,

Speaker 13 he's like, Well, yeah, actually, I have an experience experience with that.

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Speaker 13 He was working on his master's degree. He used our excavation site for his thesis.

Speaker 13 And as such, it had to go out and do some data collection off-season. So when everything's shut up, there's no one there.

Speaker 13 He did his data collection and he came back.

Speaker 13 He made a fire because it was cold. It's after dark and he's sitting in front of the fire with the house behind him.
And he notices all of a sudden that the light changes.

Speaker 13 So he turns around to look at what is causing it. He looks up at the house, and on the second story,

Speaker 13 there's a light on and a silhouette at the window, just staring down at him.

Speaker 13 He describes it as just a solid black silhouette

Speaker 13 and like a big,

Speaker 13 kind of bulky male figure.

Speaker 13 He felt a real sense of malevolence coming from it.

Speaker 13 The property is totally empty at this point. It's been shut up for months and locked tight.

Speaker 13 And it freaks him out so much that he ends up, he puts out his fire and he gets in his car without even packing up any of his camping gear and he drives off.

Speaker 13 Checks into a hotel and stays there until daylight, at which point he comes back for his gear but refuses to sleep there again by himself.

Speaker 13 Everyone around the fire is freaking out. It's very different from the night that our professor was talking to us.

Speaker 13 They're all kind of wide-eyed and looking at each other. Heads are going back and forth.
People are also kind of like uneasily looking back into the trees behind us.

Speaker 13 It got everyone kind of on the edge of our seats, like hair on the back of our neck standing up.

Speaker 13 We, you know, hypothesized that it might be

Speaker 13 the spirit of the father who had committed the murders and suicide there.

Speaker 13 I'm creeped out, but I'm not willing

Speaker 13 to

Speaker 13 just down and up be like, yep, ghosts are real. I'm like, that could have been a squatter or something in the window.

Speaker 13 The rest of the program goes pretty smoothly. The same little rumors are flying around, but nothing new or compelling comes out.

Speaker 13 So on the very last day, we don't go out to the site.

Speaker 13 We spend the day cleaning up the camp, all the basic chores to get the property ready for us to leave it for another 11 months until we come back for the next field school.

Speaker 13 So as part of this, my friend and I are assigned to sweep out the house. I take the downstairs while she takes the upstairs.

Speaker 13 And as she's heading upstairs, she pops her headphones in to listen to some music while she does the sweeping.

Speaker 13 And I'm starting to like scoop up and take out the dust. And my friend comes running down the stairs, screaming, and just goes straight outside

Speaker 13 down the stairs and straight up the door doesn't stop doesn't look at anyone just screaming

Speaker 13 so i run after her and i'm like what what happened what is wrong and she

Speaker 13 is standing in the driveway and she's stopped screaming thank god but she's just still very visibly shaken and she says

Speaker 13 i felt something pull on the back of my shirt and I turned around and there was nothing there.

Speaker 13 She says, specifically, is that it feels like the way a child tugs on your shirt when they want to get your attention.

Speaker 13 When she says this, I immediately am thinking the upstairs is where the diary of the girl was found. It's where we assumed the kids were sleeping.
And so my mind kind of instantly jumps to the kids.

Speaker 13 I am kind of cautious as I go up the stairs to finish the sweeping, kind of poking my head around the corner a little. And it's really small.
You can see most of the upstairs at one time

Speaker 13 and I don't see anything.

Speaker 13 And I tell myself this just has to get done.

Speaker 13 Nothing happens to me at all.

Speaker 13 I feel like it really can't be explained, but mostly I feel like I'm glad to be getting out of there and I felt relieved.

Speaker 13 My second year at the field school is actually

Speaker 13 two years later, so I'm there as a helper more than as a student. I'm showing people the ropes, I'm helping with crowd control and basic responsibilities around camp.

Speaker 13 I know all these people really well. I have a lot of friends.
I'm also here to just have some good times with my friends before I graduate as well. Everything is pretty much the same.

Speaker 13 We have the same schedule, the same routine, just a couple meters over from where we had been digging before. The house is the same, the bunks are the same.
Everyone still gathers around the fire pit.

Speaker 13 Everyone's whispering about these rumors of the haunting and of the history of the house. And I have more skepticism back.

Speaker 13 You know, it's a creepy little place, but I'm sure none of this really happened.

Speaker 13 My friend, Emily, we got into this routine really early on where

Speaker 13 she would have to use the bathrooms. every night and the bathrooms are these portable bathrooms all the way across camp in the dark.

Speaker 13 And she didn't want to go alone, and I can't blame her for that.

Speaker 13 It got to the point where I can just get up, don't even have to be fully awake, just put on my shoes halfway, walk across camp with my eyes half open, and go back and fall back to sleep.

Speaker 13 I wake up one night, I can see my friend silhouetted against my bed. So I say, all right, all right, all right.
And I sit up and I put my shoes on.

Speaker 13 And without looking back at her, she's still standing next to my bed. I go over to the cabin and I open the door and I hold it open behind me, waiting for her to come through.

Speaker 13 And she doesn't come.

Speaker 13 And so I look back behind me and there's no one there.

Speaker 13 My friend is dead asleep in her bunk and there's no one standing next to my bed.

Speaker 13 It wasn't one of the other girls who had woken me. And it certainly wouldn't have been my friend because she couldn't have gotten back into her bed that quickly.

Speaker 13 Could it have been someone else in the bunkhouse? And I know the answer is no because we didn't hear anything.

Speaker 13 I would have heard someone else walking around or getting in and out of bed.

Speaker 13 Sleep paralysis. And so I'm thinking, what if it was that? And I'm thinking, I got up and I got up and walked to the door.
So it could not have been sleep paralysis.

Speaker 13 And after I exhaust all the possible explanations, I start to really have to admit to myself that

Speaker 13 whatever that was, it was

Speaker 13 unexplained and possibly a spirit or a ghost.

Speaker 13 It takes me a while to fall back asleep because, as much as I'm trying not to think about it, I still

Speaker 13 can't get the image out of my head of that silhouette standing there.

Speaker 13 As soon as I get up in the morning, we hit the ground running with breakfast and getting packed up. But the whole time, I'm still trying to think about what that could have been.

Speaker 13 And I ask my friend, I'm like,

Speaker 13 did you see anything? Did you get up last night? And she's like, no, you know, last night was actually the only night Ryanette didn't have to get up.

Speaker 13 I was like, so you didn't, you didn't wake me up at all? She's like, no, why? And I was like, oh, don't worry about it. Never mind.

Speaker 13 I'm afraid that if it came back, I would see more than just a silhouette.

Speaker 13 I'm asleep and I hear the kind of like rustling and a tap on my shoulder. So I keep my eyes shut and I wait.

Speaker 13 And eventually my friend's voice does whisper my name.

Speaker 1 I think, oh, okay.

Speaker 13 We get up and put our shoes on and leave the bunk and we open this creaky screen door and down the steps.

Speaker 13 And in order to get to the porta potties, which are on the opposite side of camp, we have to walk in front of the entirety of the house.

Speaker 13 There is some moonlight coming down directly from above us, but it really quickly descends into dark shadows within a few feet of the forest edge on all sides.

Speaker 13 There's no one else out. I don't hear anyone else.
I don't see any other lights.

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Speaker 13 As my friend is in the bathroom, I'm just hearing like the basic sounds of the woods.

Speaker 13 My heart's beating a little faster. I want her to just hurry up and get it over with so we can go back to the relative safety of the bunkhouse.
She finishes up, the door slams behind her.

Speaker 13 We start walking back towards our cabin. We have our backs to the woods, and I just feel so uneasy all of a sudden.

Speaker 13 And I start to feel this prickling on the back of my neck.

Speaker 13 I just felt like there was something behind us that didn't want us there.

Speaker 13 But I don't want to say anything to my friend because

Speaker 13 there's no point in scaring her, essentially.

Speaker 13 She all of a sudden breaks into a run.

Speaker 13 I don't know why she's running, but I'm sure it's a good reason, and I don't want to be out here in the dark by myself.

Speaker 13 We run all the way back to our cabins. We kind of dive into our beds, and we don't say a word to each other.

Speaker 13 And I figure it can wait till the morning.

Speaker 13 It was a Friday, which means that we would pack up to drive back to town for the weekend.

Speaker 13 And my friend and I are driving back in my car, and we were kind of quiet for a few minutes as we started to drive.

Speaker 13 And then my friend turns to me and says, what do you think was in the woods last night?

Speaker 13 And I said, I, you know, I don't really know. I just, I just felt really uncomfortable.
Why? What do you think was there? And she says, well, didn't you hear the footsteps?

Speaker 13 And I was flabbergasted because I hadn't heard anything.

Speaker 13 I'd heard the crickets and I'd heard the frogs, but footsteps I definitely would have noticed. I tell her that I didn't hear anything.

Speaker 13 She goes really quiet for probably a good 30 seconds, and then she

Speaker 13 looks at me and she says,

Speaker 13 if you didn't hear the footsteps,

Speaker 13 who told me to run?

Speaker 13 I was like, what? She goes, a voice whispered in my ear and told me to run. That's why I started running.

Speaker 13 I started running because you started running. I didn't tell you to run.

Speaker 13 We both had to kind of process that in silence for a few minutes.

Speaker 13 I think it's likely that it was one of the girls, if their spirits are still on that property, telling us to get back to safety because the malevolent presence that I felt and that most people had been encountering at that property was most likely the father who had committed these murders.

Speaker 13 I think if it was one of the girls, that they were looking out for us. I think it's really sad that they are still trapped with this violent presence that murdered them.

Speaker 13 I think that they were probably trying to protect my friend and I from the same evil that had caused their deaths.

Speaker 13 I think they probably stay there and keep that malevolent force in check as best they can.

Speaker 13 I still love that site. I'm happy to go back to that property.
I'm less happy to spend the night there, but I will still do it

Speaker 13 if I need to.

Speaker 1 No, I would never go back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But I'm I'm grateful to Catherine for being brave enough to bring that story back to us. We hear it spooked.
Appreciate you.

Speaker 1 The original score was by Renzo Corio. It was produced by Aaliyah Yates.

Speaker 1 Oh yes, it's happened again and I hear you. More, more.
You say more darkness, more encounters, more stories, not to fear. More stories you shall have.

Speaker 1 And if you have a spook story, the world needs to know, hit us. It's spooked at snapjudgment.org.
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Speaker 1 Spooked was brought to you by the team that never ever runs, Lick and Hyde.

Speaker 1 That goes double for the Mark Listich and assessment.

Speaker 1 Our chief spookster is Eliza Smith, Chris Hambrick, Annie Nguyen, Lauren Newsome, Leon Morimoto, Renzo Gorio, Taylor DeCott, DeCott, Marissa Dodge, Aaliyah Yates, Zoe Ferrigno, Greta Weber, Jacob Winnick, Sonic Han, Tiffany DeLiza, Ann Ford, and Fernando Hernandez.

Speaker 1 The spook theme song was by Pat Messini Miller. My name is Glenn Washington.
Know

Speaker 1 that both good and bad lie on the other side of the veil.

Speaker 1 It can be hard to say which is which once you're fired test.

Speaker 1 Some will tell you that you are just fine the you are right now, and that's nice.

Speaker 1 The others, though,

Speaker 1 the bad ones will implore you to come to their realm

Speaker 1 to meet on their territory. And if you remember nothing else from our talk, remember this: never,

Speaker 1 ever,

Speaker 1 never, ever, never, ever, never, ever, never,

Speaker 1 ever

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Speaker 1 The Who's Down and Who Newville were making their list, but some didn't know. Walmart has the best brands for their gifts.

Speaker 2 What about toys?

Speaker 13 Do they have brands kids have been wanting all year?

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So the Who answered questions from friends till they were blue.

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