The White Hand
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Speaker 1 but I prefer to lie.
Speaker 1 Doctor, will I live?
Speaker 1 She asks,
Speaker 1 My dear,
Speaker 1 you'll never die.
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Speaker 1 Stay true.
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Speaker 1 Fourth of July, right before seventh grade, I go to a party at my buddy Jeff Shade's house.
Speaker 1
Fat crib on Sanford Lake, right outside of Midland, Michigan. Almost every one of my class shows, including the girls.
Jeff's dad pulls us on water skis with their brand new boat.
Speaker 1 We roast hot dogs, marshmallows, eat watermelon, light fireworks, and explode over the lake.
Speaker 1 And that night I stay over
Speaker 1 with five of my best friends in the whole wide world: Jeff, Marty, Danny, Sean, Corey.
Speaker 1 Jeff's mom makes us pancakes the next morning.
Speaker 1 Swimming in butter and syrup, laughing, she unloads a whole can of whipped cream on mine.
Speaker 1 Especially for me, because she says,
Speaker 1 because
Speaker 1 I thank her,
Speaker 1 say goodbye goodbye to everyone
Speaker 1 ride my bike back to my house and Pops helps me pack it inside our already loaded up U-Haul truck
Speaker 1 Then we drive away from Sanford, Michigan
Speaker 1 and I never see any of those people again
Speaker 1 And I don't know enough to be sad
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Almost 13 years old. I've moved homes 13 different times, 13 different addresses, eight different schools.
The truth is,
Speaker 1 sitting in the passenger seat of a U-Haul next to Pops on the interstate, this is my happy place.
Speaker 1 Yeah, it is time to go. What next?
Speaker 1 What next?
Speaker 1 And two decades later,
Speaker 1 I'm on a plane to Brussels, Belgium, a place I've never been.
Speaker 1 And I'm moving there
Speaker 1 to work at a job I hate for a company I despise. And a girl sits next to me, 13 years old, blinking back tears, trying to be brave, trying not to weep,
Speaker 1 but weeping all the same.
Speaker 1 When I ask her what's wrong, she's silent.
Speaker 1 When I ask her again,
Speaker 1 she tells me that because of the divorce, She's moving too.
Speaker 1
That her house now has a for sale sign on it. A house she can't imagine not living in.
Her best friend lives down the street. She just made second-chair violin and orchestra.
Speaker 1 She won't see the birds come back to roost in the trees she and her uncle planted in the backyard. Her grandmother promises to visit.
Speaker 1 But instead of every Thursday, just the two of them on the couch watching movies.
Speaker 1 It might be every six months,
Speaker 1 maybe every year.
Speaker 1 And all of this pours from her in a hot whale.
Speaker 1 She comes from a community, a ground, a sky, a smell of music, and being torn away from it.
Speaker 1 I want to tell her,
Speaker 1 comforting words,
Speaker 1 that it will get better.
Speaker 1 That soon this new place will feel like home too.
Speaker 1 You'll see.
Speaker 1 Then I stop.
Speaker 1 I think about the people,
Speaker 1 the families that have given me their embrace, let me into their homes and their lives, and how casually I walked away,
Speaker 1 wondering what's next.
Speaker 1 This little girl.
Speaker 1 is not the one having a strange reaction to leaving everything and everyone behind.
Speaker 1 I am.
Speaker 1 I think, little girl, you are right to feel it.
Speaker 1 You are right to cry.
Speaker 1 That leaving is a hurt that should never fully heal.
Speaker 1 In fact,
Speaker 1 I should be weeping with you.
Speaker 1 You are not broken, no.
Speaker 1 Broken.
Speaker 1 Is a grown person
Speaker 1 sitting on an airplane who doesn't care where they are going
Speaker 1 or who they're leaving behind.
Speaker 1 Spook starts
Speaker 1 now.
Speaker 1 See, when you move away,
Speaker 1 some things inevitably get left behind. Now we're going back,
Speaker 1 back to the 1980s, to Stratford, a theater town in Ontario, Canada. Katya Tapena and her husband Jim, they've grown tired of living in apartments.
Speaker 1 They're looking for a house to rent, a place where they don't have to share walls with their neighbors that has a yard for their daughter to play in.
Speaker 1 When they hear about a sweet little place in a nice neighborhood for rent, they drop everything to check it out.
Speaker 14 We went to see it.
Speaker 14 It's got a wood stove in the kitchen, which is wonderful. And it's got a nice little fenced backyard.
Speaker 14 We can have a bedroom for my daughter, Aurora, who's four at the time.
Speaker 14 All my domestic hormones start kicking kicking in and I think, this is it, this is an amazing house.
Speaker 14 But it's still a little bit odd.
Speaker 14 Someone has put up all kinds of wallpaper from the 50s, that sort of climbing trellis with ivy going up it and roses on diagonals.
Speaker 14 Every room is done like this, and none of it matches.
Speaker 14
But hey, someone's taste. It's okay.
Like, I just want a home. It doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 14 And besides, I like houses that have character.
Speaker 14 We
Speaker 14 negotiate the rent
Speaker 14 and we move the things we have.
Speaker 14
There's a lot of motion going on. There's friends helping us unload the truck.
There's other friends as well that aren't helping that much unload, but they're there.
Speaker 14 As I'm bringing a box in, my daughter says to me, who's the old man on the phone in the hall?
Speaker 14 I'm confused, and I go into the hallway to see
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what she could be talking about. And there's no old man there, and there's no phone there.
There's an old plate on the wall where people used to mount the old,
Speaker 14 the party line phones, where you would jiggle the receiver and ask the operator to connect you. But that's all that's there.
Speaker 14 I say I don't see anyone
Speaker 14 and I assume that she's seen someone that she doesn't recognize.
Speaker 14 She's a little kid, and to little kids, everybody big looks old.
Speaker 14 Those first few weeks, it's exciting because we have a house, and I'm happy about that.
Speaker 14 But it's also
Speaker 14 it just feels unsettled.
Speaker 14 I don't feel calm. I don't feel
Speaker 14 as relaxed as I had hoped I would.
Speaker 14 But I think if I put in the work, I will spruce it up and it will all fall together.
Speaker 14 I was washing the walls in the dining room on top of a ladder with my back to the rest of the room,
Speaker 14 and
Speaker 14 I can't escape the feeling that I'm being watched.
Speaker 14 I look around to see what it might be.
Speaker 14 There is no one there.
Speaker 14 So I turn and move the ladder
Speaker 14 to a different location a little further down the wall, go back up again,
Speaker 14 and it's okay for a couple of minutes. And then I get the same sensation again.
Speaker 14 This feeling of being watched, this feeling of not being alone,
Speaker 14 starts to be omnipresent.
Speaker 14 and I blame me.
Speaker 14 For some reason, I'm being
Speaker 14 overly sensitive to something, and that I have to just, as we say, pull up my big girl panties and get on with it to keep working on the house. That there's nobody there,
Speaker 14 that nobody is watching me,
Speaker 14 but I can't figure out what this feeling is.
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Speaker 14 We were alone a lot in the house, Aurora and I.
Speaker 14 My husband, I would have liked him to have been there more,
Speaker 14 but he couldn't.
Speaker 14 The only way that he could have been there was to
Speaker 14 stop the job, and we couldn't afford that, so I was on on my own.
Speaker 14 I'm downstairs in the living room,
Speaker 14 and Aurora's supposed to be napping upstairs, and I hear this little voice go, I have to pee.
Speaker 14 And she comes running down the stairs.
Speaker 14 The direct path for her is down the hallway.
Speaker 14 But instead, she comes out and goes all the way around through the living room, through the dining room, to the other door for the bathroom.
Speaker 14 And I asked her why.
Speaker 14 And she said, Sakes is there.
Speaker 14 When I ask her who Sakes is, she says, he's an old man and he lives here.
Speaker 14 That feels extremely creepy to me.
Speaker 14
But she's an imaginative child. We all are.
We work in the arts. Of course, we have imaginations.
Speaker 14 So I definitely believe that it's an imaginary friend.
Speaker 14 But it's clear that it's not an imaginary friend that she likes.
Speaker 14 Because after a while, I realize that Aurora will never, ever go down the hall with the phone plate on it.
Speaker 14 It's the middle of the night,
Speaker 14 and
Speaker 14 I can hear her calling from her room, which is right across the hall.
Speaker 14 So I leave my bed, and I go across the hall, and I sit in her bed, and she says,
Speaker 14 Mom, the white hands are bothering me.
Speaker 14 I can't sleep.
Speaker 14 I ask her to describe the hands and she says
Speaker 14 they're white.
Speaker 14 Sometimes there's many.
Speaker 14 There's always more than two.
Speaker 14 Sometimes they pat.
Speaker 14 Sometimes they scratch.
Speaker 14 Sometimes they're just around her.
Speaker 14 And she tells me,
Speaker 14 it sakes.
Speaker 14 It appears to me that my daughter is having some repeated uncomfortable dreams.
Speaker 14
So I say to her, it's okay, sweetie. I'll stay here and I'll protect you.
You can sleep and I will protect you.
Speaker 14
And I decide that what I'll do is I'll just curl up next to her in her bed. It's wide enough.
And that calms her down immediately. She gets back to sleep.
Speaker 14 But this would continue, and I would hear it
Speaker 14 two times a week, perhaps.
Speaker 1 I
Speaker 14 would just
Speaker 14 get up when she called me, and I would just curl up with her in her bed.
Speaker 14
So it's afternoon. I'm having a nap.
Aurora's having a nap.
Speaker 14 And I hear a sound that wakes me up.
Speaker 14 I hear the sound of rushing water.
Speaker 14 My first thought is, oh, the pipe's broken. And I go downstairs
Speaker 14 and
Speaker 14 the bathtub's on.
Speaker 14
The small sink in the side room the toilet is in is on. The main vanity room sink is on.
And I go into the kitchen and the kitchen sink is on. And they're on full force.
All faucets, just flat out.
Speaker 14 So I turn them off.
Speaker 14 I don't understand what's going on. And I'm freaked out.
Speaker 14 I'm a relatively handy person.
Speaker 14 I know that there's no reason that I know of that that should happen.
Speaker 14 The combination of this,
Speaker 14 my daughter's nightmares,
Speaker 14 of me feeling like I'm being watched,
Speaker 14 there's something here.
Speaker 14 There's something here that's not us.
Speaker 14 There's something here either doesn't want us here or it wants to get our attention.
Speaker 14 I need to know more.
Speaker 1 I
Speaker 14 am leery of going to the neighbors and asking, say, have you heard anything about the house I'm in being haunted?
Speaker 14 And my husband hasn't had any experiences that I know of or that he's willing to go into.
Speaker 14 It's coming up to Christmas,
Speaker 14 and we've got the sugar cookie dough rolled out.
Speaker 14 And
Speaker 14 Aurora is really interested in this. She's got the reindeer cut out, and the snowman cut out, and the Santa Claus cut out, and she's very precise about laying out the different shapes.
Speaker 14 I pick this stereotypically
Speaker 14 bucolic moment to open up the the topic.
Speaker 14 Because if I can do this gently, if I can do this playfully, maybe that will help her deal with it in a way that doesn't scare her, because I certainly don't want her to feel that.
Speaker 14 So I ask her,
Speaker 14 who Sakes is?
Speaker 14 Who is this man? What does he look like?
Speaker 14 She says he is a
Speaker 14 small man, very old.
Speaker 14 He's got very pale skin.
Speaker 14 He has a peaked cap.
Speaker 14 It's a good thing that she comes from a theater background because we both know what a peaked cap is.
Speaker 14 She said
Speaker 14 he walks around a lot.
Speaker 14 He's always on the phone.
Speaker 14 And then I asked her if he was friendly,
Speaker 1 and she
Speaker 14 didn't answer me at all.
Speaker 14 And I didn't like that, I didn't like that around my daughter, not at all.
Speaker 14 It's one thing if it's just me, I can override that,
Speaker 14 but
Speaker 14 not if there's anything,
Speaker 14 anything that's making my child unhappy or unsafe.
Speaker 14 It's a very pleasant Sunday evening.
Speaker 14 We're just sitting down at the beginning of dinner and there's a knock on the screen door to the kitchen.
Speaker 14 And I go to the door to see who it is. And there's a young man I don't know at the door.
Speaker 14 He's very friendly,
Speaker 14 looks like a farm boy,
Speaker 14 someone who works with his hands, clearly.
Speaker 14
He's standing on the back covered doorstep. I'm inside the kitchen.
We're talking through the screen door.
Speaker 14 And I
Speaker 14 ask the young gentleman what I can do for him. And he says that he is looking for the couple that he bought the house with.
Speaker 14 They bought the house that that we're now in at an auction
Speaker 14 because a person had died in the house
Speaker 14 and there was no one
Speaker 1 to
Speaker 14 take care of the estate of the departed.
Speaker 14
And their plan was something that they'd done before. They would buy the house, clean it up, sell it.
But he'd had to leave early because of a family emergency and he had gone away,
Speaker 14 lost contact with the couple that he'd worked with,
Speaker 14 but he was interested in getting back into it again.
Speaker 14 That's why he was looking for them.
Speaker 14 And he says, it's really interesting when you buy old houses, there's things left all over the place.
Speaker 14 And you want to know the weirdest thing that we found.
Speaker 14 And he points to something past me,
Speaker 14 which would be the cabinets above the stove.
Speaker 14 And he says,
Speaker 14 right up there, we found the guy's old artificial hand.
Speaker 14
He said it was ceramic. It wasn't flexible.
It wasn't something that you could do things with. with,
Speaker 14 and it was white,
Speaker 14 absolutely white, like a white dinner plate.
Speaker 14 When he told me,
Speaker 14 I felt like
Speaker 14 the blood in my body had drained out of a hole in my feet.
Speaker 14 It knocked the breath out of me.
Speaker 14 It was a white hand.
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Speaker 14 I start the next day to do something I should have done before, which is to ask my neighbors about the previous resident. And they say, oh yes, it was an old guy.
Speaker 14 He was Scots, and he had an artificial hand.
Speaker 14 They said that this
Speaker 14 man,
Speaker 14 whose name they never learned, was a very unfriendly and solitary character. He would stump around the porch of the house or in the small backyard, arranging things, wearing a peaked cap.
Speaker 14 They never knew whether he had any hair under the cap at all.
Speaker 14 And he wasn't a very big person, but he was very wiry, very strong.
Speaker 14 I'm able to put all the pieces together and they all fit.
Speaker 14 And I think
Speaker 14 maybe
Speaker 14 I can convince him
Speaker 14 to move on, to let go, to leave us alone.
Speaker 14 And I decide that I'm going to have to do
Speaker 14 my version of an exorcism.
Speaker 14 I wait until my daughter can have a sleepover at a friend's house. And I know my husband won't be home for a long time because he's working that night.
Speaker 14 I start in Aurora's room
Speaker 14 and I say,
Speaker 14 You have to leave.
Speaker 14 This is not your home.
Speaker 14 I know you are here
Speaker 14 and I'm sorry, but you have to go
Speaker 14 because now this is my house.
Speaker 14 And then I go to my bedroom and I say, and this is our bedroom.
Speaker 14 I go down the stairs. I go past the phone mount in the hallway and I say,
Speaker 14
You don't have to be on the phone anymore. You are free.
You can move on. I go into the living room and I say, this is not your house.
You have to leave.
Speaker 14
I do the same thing in the adjacent dining room. I go into the bathroom and I say, you must leave this house alone.
You have to let go.
Speaker 14 I repeat the same things in every room in the house.
Speaker 14 I stay up for quite a while after that and I go into the kitchen. I pour a glass of wine, and I just sit there and I think about what his life may have been like.
Speaker 14 And I feel horrible for him, because, in a sense, I'm banishing someone.
Speaker 14 But
Speaker 14 this is what I have to do.
Speaker 14 I cannot keep going like this.
Speaker 14 I hope that this works.
Speaker 14 I don't know whether it will or not.
Speaker 14 We'll see.
Speaker 14 Things seemed to
Speaker 14 slow down a bit after that. It seemed to lighten.
Speaker 14 White hands, nightmares, etc.
Speaker 14 That stuff seemed to decrease.
Speaker 14 I think that he
Speaker 1 heard me.
Speaker 14 And I'm happy about that.
Speaker 14 And then
Speaker 14 I hear her across the hallway
Speaker 14 starting to stir
Speaker 14 in the middle of the night.
Speaker 14 I hear the beginning of Mom,
Speaker 14 Mom,
Speaker 14 Mom,
Speaker 14 Mom,
Speaker 14 and
Speaker 14 I get out of bed
Speaker 14 right away, and I go across the hall.
Speaker 14 And she's okay,
Speaker 14 but
Speaker 14 five feet from her bed
Speaker 14 is an old wooden rocking chair. It's where I would usually sit to read to her in the daytime.
Speaker 14 And the chair is rocking.
Speaker 14 It's rocking like someone is in the chair. chair.
Speaker 14 This is his answer:
Speaker 14 that he's here.
Speaker 14 Maybe it's my house, but it's his house too.
Speaker 14 I'm afraid and I
Speaker 14 don't know what to do, but I know I will protect her with my life.
Speaker 14 So I go over and I
Speaker 14 yell at the chair
Speaker 14 and I tell it that it has to go. It has to get out.
Speaker 14 And then after that,
Speaker 14 I just sit in the chair
Speaker 14 to hold it still.
Speaker 14 And I just stay there that night.
Speaker 14 I climb into her bed and I
Speaker 14 go to sleep next to
Speaker 14 I wanted her
Speaker 14 to think
Speaker 14 that it was a dream.
Speaker 14 It's okay if I knew that it wasn't a dream.
Speaker 14 You just
Speaker 14 don't want your kid to be scared. particularly if they're scared of something that their parents cannot protect them from.
Speaker 14 I decided that we were going to move and we were going to get another house, which was really disappointing,
Speaker 14 but I can't think of anything else I can do.
Speaker 14 I was glad to leave.
Speaker 14 We actually
Speaker 14 are able to find a house to buy
Speaker 14 at the time the cheapest house in Stratford, equally aged,
Speaker 14 but with a really nice feeling to it.
Speaker 14 Aurora is running around
Speaker 14 and
Speaker 14 I ask her how she feels about the house.
Speaker 14 And she just says, this is a nice house. I like this house.
Speaker 14 So she got to pick out her room.
Speaker 14 And
Speaker 14 she
Speaker 14 doesn't bring up
Speaker 14 this man that she's named Sakes
Speaker 14 again.
Speaker 14 There's no more dreams. There's no more white hands.
Speaker 14 There's no one in that house that she talks about.
Speaker 14 And that's good enough for me.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, Katja, for sharing your story with the spooked. The original score for this piece was by Yari Bundy.
It was produced by Zoe Frigno.
Speaker 1 Now,
Speaker 1 there was a man who walked 40 miles every day in order to reach a spring to fill his bucket of water.
Speaker 1 Every single day, the children would see him rise early in the morning and return late in the evening, dragging his bucket of water behind.
Speaker 1 One day, a young boy asked the man, why do you walk so far to the well?
Speaker 1 When a mountain stream of pure water rushes by a mere 200 meters distant
Speaker 1 The man, his eyes wide, his face sallow, creases deep from countless hours spent carrying water under the unforgiving sun, shakes his head gravely and says,
Speaker 1 stream.
Speaker 1 You gotta be kidding me. What stream?
Speaker 1
You see, it's the same with spooks. The lost wander searching for water because they don't know about the stream.
It's not right, spooksters. Tell somebody.
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Speaker 1 And
Speaker 1 there is no pleasure, ignorant of pain.
Speaker 1 Order is meaningless without the threat of chaos. And the same applies for shadow.
Speaker 1 Because the shadow is not in opposition to the light.
Speaker 1 The shadow is twinned to the light.
Speaker 1
Because seeking dominion, this is a fool's errand. There will always be darkness.
No, we seek balance
Speaker 1 to cage it, to control it, to harness it so that it does not destroy us.
Speaker 1 You'll need amazing wisdom to achieve such lofty goals.
Speaker 1 Unfortunately,
Speaker 1 The only piece of advice I have for offer
Speaker 1 is to never ever ever,
Speaker 1 never, never, ever, never, never, ever
Speaker 1 turn out
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