EP.229 - GARTH JENNINGS & LAURA MARLING LIVE

Speaker 2 Please welcome your host for the Adam Buxton Podcast Live. It's Adam.
This is me talking Buxton.

Speaker 3 All right, that's enough of it.

Speaker 6 Now, to help me out tonight, because we're in my well, it's now my hometown of Norwich.

Speaker 9 That's not what a hometown means, is it?

Speaker 10 A hometown is where you're from.

Speaker 11 Now it's my hometown, though.

Speaker 6 Here is my eldest and one of the best sons that I have,

Speaker 13 Frank.

Speaker 15 He's gonna play a little bit of strummy guitar for you this evening.

Speaker 16 How are you feeling, Frank?

Speaker 17 All good. Yeah?

Speaker 14 All good. How's your day been?

Speaker 18 Busy?

Speaker 19 Very nice. Not busy.

Speaker 20 Stress-free.

Speaker 21 Very good, as it should be.

Speaker 16 Age 21.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 8 What time did you get up today?

Speaker 22 10:30.

Speaker 3 Not bad.

Speaker 23 That's okay. Not bad at all.

Speaker 24 Round of applause for 10.30.

Speaker 12 It's not too bad.

Speaker 26 Very good.

Speaker 14 It's lovely to have you here, Frank, and we are going to do the podcast intro.

Speaker 28 Are you confident?

Speaker 29 A little bit. I mean, I'm still not.

Speaker 12 That's not the right answer.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 11 That's the right answer.

Speaker 4 This is a fee-paying crowd, I don't know if you know, and they are notoriously intolerant for any kind of whimsy in Norwich.

Speaker 24 You know, the idea that I wheel my Nepo baby on

Speaker 24 and everyone's supposed to be automatically charmed, that kind of shit doesn't fly in Norwich.

Speaker 23 Yeah, right. No, of course, of course.

Speaker 33 Okay, so we have to absolutely nail this.

Speaker 24 And if you don't, I'm going to be very passive-aggressive over the rest of the week.

Speaker 7 How's that?

Speaker 22 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 11 Is this good parenting?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 35 All right, here we go.

Speaker 29 So I'm going to go low on the harmonies.

Speaker 36 You're going to go on the high harmony.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah, sweet.

Speaker 25 Let's do it.

Speaker 17 One, two, one, two.

Speaker 40 I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin.

Speaker 40 Now you have plugged that podcast out and started listening.

Speaker 39 I took my microphone and found some human folk.

Speaker 39 Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke.

Speaker 40 My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man.

Speaker 39 I want you to enjoy this.

Speaker 40 That's the plan.

Speaker 21 My personal Billy Brad boy.

Speaker 37 Brad, thank you so much.

Speaker 12 Good work.

Speaker 12 Hey, how you doing, podcats? It's Adam Buxton here, back on my regular Norfolk farm track, squelching through the mud.

Speaker 12 Some mud work for you there on a fairly mild grey day just over the midpoint of October 2024. You just heard me and my eldest son Frank singing the podcast intro theme there back in June of this year.

Speaker 12 We were on stage at the Norwich Playhouse for one of the last shows in a 13-date live podcast tour that took us to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

Speaker 12 and over the next few months I'll be dipping into the recordings we made on that tour and sharing a few bits and pieces that I think you'll enjoy.

Speaker 12 I'm not going to be putting out all the shows that we did because as well as talking to my guests on stage some of those shows had quite a few video elements which was great fun for the audience in the room but it wouldn't work so well on an audio only podcast.

Speaker 12 Oh it's gone all rainy now.

Speaker 12 It's not very nice is it Rosie? Look I've got Rosie with me I forgot to say, podcats. I'm joined by Rosie.
He's only slightly quivery today.

Speaker 12 Are you? Let's check. A little bit of quiver in the flanks there.
Frank has been doing well encouraging Rosie to carry on with her walks out here in the fields around where we live.

Speaker 12 After a few weeks when she was very upset by some loud bird scaring bang machines which now, I'm very happy to say, gone.

Speaker 12 I hope that she's gradually getting over her anxiety. Are you, Rosie? Sharp and do your intro.
Let's go back to the kitchen where it's not raining.

Speaker 12 Okay, as with most of the live shows this year, my guests were old friends and friends of the podcast. In this case, director Garth Jennings and musician Laura Marling.

Speaker 12 Haven't done an episode of the podcast with Garth for a while. Some great ones back in the day, looked those up.

Speaker 12 And Laura was a guest on the podcast in the lockdown but it was lovely to unite them both in front of the Norwich audience. Garth and I talked about strange alpha male behaviour in the movie industry.

Speaker 12 Some raisin-based tips for getting ahead there. Oh rain's intensified a little bit now.

Speaker 12 Shall we go and shelter in the woods doglegs?

Speaker 43 Alright this is good.

Speaker 12 We found a little copse and we are sheltering. What was I saying? Oh yes, tips for getting ahead in the movie industry using raisins.

Speaker 12 I also talked about why I wasn't cast as a hard-bitten police detective. And I shared a few entries from my argument with my wife log with Garth.

Speaker 12 But we began by showing a few clips from our youth and you will hear a brief snatch of audio from a couple of those.

Speaker 12 Garth's, just to describe it to you, was of him and a friend punching each other repeatedly when they were young teenagers while a fellow stands behind them playing the guitar.

Speaker 12 My clip was a crime thriller that Joe and I made at school and it's a scene that takes place in an office. There's a couple of stills on my website.

Speaker 12 If you want to see what both those videos look like, there's a link in the description.

Speaker 12 As for Laura Marling, she joined us to play a couple of songs from her eighth studio album, Patterns in Repeat, which is out in just a few days, as I speak, on October the 25th.

Speaker 12 The performances you will hear were recorded completely live in front of the audience. There were no overdubs or pick-ups

Speaker 12 even though it almost sounds like a studio recording. That's how good she is.
Props also to the podcast tour sound guys.

Speaker 12 That night we had Alfie Tyson Brown and Ben Saunders overseeing the recording. Thank you to both of them.
I haven't seen Laura performing live in the room before. I've seen her on TV.

Speaker 12 I knew she was good, but it was quite something to be sitting just a few feet away when she started playing her first number, Caroline.

Speaker 12 Not only was her playing and singing extraordinary, but the song sounded like one that I'd known all my life. I wonder if you'll get the same feeling listening to it.
It's an instant classic.

Speaker 12 Garth and I were kind of awestruck afterwards

Speaker 12 and

Speaker 12 I felt quite emotional. And the audience did too, I think.
There was an amazing atmosphere in the room.

Speaker 12 There's a short clip of Laura actually playing that song, which I filmed on my phone from my desk.

Speaker 12 It's on my website, along with pictures of us all, Garth, myself, Frank, after the show at the Norwich Playhouse. I forgot to say when I was outside, this episode contains strong language.

Speaker 12 Some of it's very strong. Sorry, my fault.
I'll be back at the end for a bit more waffle, but right now with Garth Jennings and Laura Marling live at the Norwich Playhouse. Here we go.

Speaker 12 Round old chat, let's have a ramble chat. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that.

Speaker 12 Come on, let's chew the fat and have a ramble chat. Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat.

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Speaker 14 So, without further ado, please welcome to the stage the king of music videos from back when they used to be really good, director of the films Son of Rambo, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and the planet conquering animated features Sing One and Sing Two.

Speaker 14 But more important than any of that, he's a friend of the podcast and one of my oldest and least abusive friends.

Speaker 25 It's Garth Jennings.

Speaker 23 Thanks very much.

Speaker 19 That was lovely.

Speaker 45 Thank you very much.

Speaker 14 Yeah, you're good with your mic technique, Garth, but, you know...

Speaker 37 be informal if you want to hold that thing you can unwrap it from the go for a little freestyle okay whatever you like and you're going to stay on that mic you know sometimes you'll get a guest and they might be a star of stage and screen, and yet they will have no compunction about just doing this and talking to you like this and getting them all the answers.

Speaker 19 Well, it is quite exciting up here. I can see why someone could just lose it.

Speaker 47 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 17 It's very exciting.

Speaker 48 I wanted to take a little trip back into the nostalgia past.

Speaker 18 Yes. That's what I call it.

Speaker 19 The nostalgia past.

Speaker 47 The nostalgia past.

Speaker 48 And I wanted you to tell me about this clip.

Speaker 17 Oh, okay.

Speaker 37 So paint a picture.

Speaker 32 This is young Jennings. We're digging.

Speaker 19 This is me on the right in the stripey t-shirt.

Speaker 19 I was 11 years old and my mum and dad had recently got a video camera because the guy at my dad's office left the country, sold his electrics, and my dad bought it, didn't know how to use it.

Speaker 19 I fell in love with it immediately and constantly made little short films with my friends.

Speaker 19 And sometimes if my mum and dad had friends over and they had kids, they'd say, go and play with those other kids. And a good way to keep us all going was to make a little film.

Speaker 19 And I just learned how to dub sound over something I'd already filmed so we could put sound effects over it. So this is a tiny clip from what was a very long film.

Speaker 19 Here you go. Here's a clip from it.

Speaker 19 Snap!

Speaker 49 Why are you up?

Speaker 49 Oh! Oh!

Speaker 49 Ow! Oh!

Speaker 49 Oh!

Speaker 49 Oh!

Speaker 49 Oh!

Speaker 12 Oh, there you go, that's the good old days.

Speaker 19 It's almost Andy Warhol, isn't it?

Speaker 12 It's like a. Yeah.

Speaker 12 What year would that have been then?

Speaker 32 That's something like...

Speaker 19 So it would have been 1983.

Speaker 37 83?

Speaker 19 Yeah, because I was 11.

Speaker 18 Good old days. Kids these days, they'd be making torture porn, wouldn't they?

Speaker 19 Well, yeah.

Speaker 19 Well, I mean, it is a bit tortury. It goes on for hours, that's funny.

Speaker 19 My poor parents, I would always make them watch stuff thinking I'd just created something of, you know, work of genius. Yeah.

Speaker 47 They'd be like, oh, God.

Speaker 10 I used to force everybody to watch my home videos as well, the stuff that me and Joe used to do.

Speaker 18 But we also made films, though. That was the thing.

Speaker 14 Cornballs always wanted to be a filmmaker.

Speaker 35 And when we were at school, we did

Speaker 18 a thing called Twitch of the Death Nerve.

Speaker 33 Joe was like a sineast, deep level.

Speaker 47 He bought Cahiers du cinéma.

Speaker 37 Did you ever buy Cahier du cinéma?

Speaker 30 No.

Speaker 47 No. No.

Speaker 18 You're not a proposine.

Speaker 7 But Cornballs did.

Speaker 47 He knew all the foreign films and stuff.

Speaker 15 But he also liked splatter movies and horror.

Speaker 50 So he also bought Fangoria and all those kind of movies where you would see pictures of heads coming.

Speaker 19 I was too scared of that stuff. Were you? Oh, yeah, I found that too.
I would have nightmares all the time.

Speaker 26 Right. We loved it, man.

Speaker 50 We absolutely loved it.

Speaker 32 Like, the thing came out around that time, John Carpenter's version.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you couldn't watch that. And really?

Speaker 19 Yes, not at the time.

Speaker 11 Right. Yeah.
Sensitive boy.

Speaker 17 Oh, yes.

Speaker 45 I was.

Speaker 19 I was one of of those kids that cried all the time, even though I was actually really happy. It's the happiest kid you've ever met.
I mean, it's ridiculous. But I didn't have a shut-off valve.

Speaker 19 So if somebody said, why have you done that?

Speaker 17 You know, a teacher, I go, I don't know why I've done that.

Speaker 28 Oh, mate.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I was always crying. I remember I got cast as Albert Schweitzer in the school production of his life story, which is ambitious for a little comprehensive, like, grain chill, isn't it?

Speaker 19 So, and on the day of it, I was so nervous that I just cried all the way through it. And I remember all the kids that were cross-legged in the front row, like looking at me.

Speaker 19 I remember there was this lovely little girl called Zoe who was playing my wife.

Speaker 45 And I said, I had to do this bit where my wife, will you come with me to Africa?

Speaker 18 It was the worst thing you've ever seen.

Speaker 19 So yeah, I couldn't watch her scary stuff.

Speaker 19 I was about 13 or 14. I managed to sort of rein it in a bit.
But yeah, prior to that,

Speaker 47 it was ridiculous.

Speaker 16 Do you cry in meetings now?

Speaker 26 No.

Speaker 19 No, I'm a hard-nosed fella now, yeah.

Speaker 45 I feel like

Speaker 19 I get very emotional with things still,

Speaker 19 but not like that.

Speaker 18 I'm getting worse.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think it's sort of coming back around. It's almost like I've got better.
And then, yeah, as I've started to get older, and yes, things, though, emotional stuff's coming right back. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Worryingly.

Speaker 10 I nearly cried on an interview the other day. It was a Zoom interview that I was doing for the podcast.

Speaker 32 Hasn't been out yet.

Speaker 16 Don't know if it'll go out.

Speaker 11 because, you know, I've cried before on the podcast when things are sad and parents die and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 32 That's different crying.

Speaker 11 That's fun crying. Yes.

Speaker 19 But that's great fun. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's a bit of fun grief.

Speaker 35 Who doesn't love a bit of fun grief?

Speaker 11 Uncomfortable laughter from the audience.

Speaker 44 You do love it.

Speaker 32 But this was not grief-based.

Speaker 37 This was just like

Speaker 18 feeling totally freaked out because this guy was really angry with me on the Zoom call.

Speaker 17 Oh, that'll do it. Yeah.

Speaker 19 You were being told off, were you?

Speaker 37 I was not even being told off.

Speaker 14 It was basically, they were in another country.

Speaker 36 We had

Speaker 32 about a half an hour of fiddling around with mics trying to get them working.

Speaker 20 And by the time we finally started, this was someone a few years older than I am, and

Speaker 32 very accomplished person.

Speaker 18 And they clearly felt their time was not best spent fucking around with microphones on a Zoom call with this little child man in Norwich.

Speaker 21 and it got so chippy.

Speaker 35 Oh, and I just couldn't deal with it.

Speaker 7 And I was just like, oh, my voice went completely, and

Speaker 7 my breathing went, and I couldn't really.

Speaker 25 I was trying to keep it together, but I was very,

Speaker 26 very close to crying.

Speaker 17 Oh, no.

Speaker 9 I mean, that isn't the response I was aiming for.

Speaker 20 I wasn't fishing for it.

Speaker 19 I'm going to get, we'll get a little hug after this. I can't do it now.

Speaker 29 This is me back when I used to be tougher.

Speaker 48 Cool, hit it.

Speaker 16 In Joe's film, Twitch of the Death Nerve, named after an Italian horror film.

Speaker 14 But this was a tough, gritty drama about police work.

Speaker 44 I was a cop called Donovan Spanner.

Speaker 29 And I was.

Speaker 19 So, could you say, like, there's a spanner in the works?

Speaker 45 Yes.

Speaker 14 We didn't have that line, but that would have been very good.

Speaker 26 That's nice. There's a fucking spanner in the works.

Speaker 19 Children, there's a spanner in the works.

Speaker 17 Yeah, that'd be good.

Speaker 14 But But I remember in this scene was the first time that Joe, because we had done plays before this, and I always went for quite a large performing style, still do.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Still do.

Speaker 14 This one, this was the first time in this scene that Joe had said, admin, just tone it down.

Speaker 8 Tone it right down.

Speaker 37 Keep it straight.

Speaker 14 So this is as naturalistic as Buckles

Speaker 35 has ever got on Video Lloyd.

Speaker 14 And see if you can spot my co-star as well.

Speaker 49 He's a murderer and he's free. Now I want a priority one report filed to all units plus a photo fit arranged by you, Harvey, and don't mess it up this time, alright?

Speaker 49 I think we can overlook the red tape in this one case. We're obviously dealing with a terminally psychopathic madman.
It might be wiser just to grab him off the street.

Speaker 49 You know that's not how I do things, don't you, Harvey? I know, sir, but this is a special case. We could grab him off the street, bash him around a little bit, and then run him in.

Speaker 49 That would solve all our problems.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Pretty drama.

Speaker 19 That's good.

Speaker 33 A young Louis Theroux outshining me as ever in the acting department.

Speaker 19 Bash him about a little bit.

Speaker 5 Bash him around a little bit.

Speaker 27 I think he was 14

Speaker 11 at that point, something like that. 14 or 15.

Speaker 47 It was pretty good. Solid work.

Speaker 32 Do you know, like, one time I actually went in for an audition as a real TV policeman?

Speaker 19 An actual TV show. Yeah.

Speaker 37 Like, I don't can I tell, say the name of the thing?

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 18 I suppose it doesn't matter.

Speaker 19 You're amongst friends, let's hear it.

Speaker 14 Amongst friends, it was for DCI Banks.

Speaker 32 And I went in to play the main

Speaker 21 Stephen Tompkinson part, if you've ever seen DCI Banks.

Speaker 20 Gritty, like serious ITV procedural drama.

Speaker 10 And I think the character was described as a tough alcoholic, divorced cop.

Speaker 4 And the scene that I was given to read was he goes into a hospital and there's a young woman who's coming round having been badly assaulted.

Speaker 32 And I have to sit there and

Speaker 7 try and find out.

Speaker 47 a description of the person that assaulted her.

Speaker 19 They were like, we've got to get buckles for this.

Speaker 19 They were like, yeah, yeah, get, no seriously get buckles

Speaker 24 i mean exactly i just thought what's happening here and i said to my agent like

Speaker 24 this isn't a good idea is it like

Speaker 24 this isn't gonna work and she's like well they asked for you specifically yeah so why don't you just go in take the audition and something else might come of it i was like really okay

Speaker 24 So I go in, I spend the weekend thinking, DCI banks.

Speaker 16 So I thought I'll find a a voice. Sometimes a great actor like myself starts with

Speaker 25 a voice.

Speaker 25 Shouldn't do a voice.

Speaker 17 Why?

Speaker 26 Don't do a voice. Why don't you do a voice?

Speaker 19 Corn, what did you do? What was your voice?

Speaker 44 I mean, I think you're right.

Speaker 37 I think that is a serious point because for someone like me, the tendency to want to do...

Speaker 19 Do your voice?

Speaker 26 We're going to find the bastard who did this to you.

Speaker 39 Don't you worry.

Speaker 32 It was sort of halfway between my Bowie impression and and Keith Richards with a little bit more grit.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 16 And that's how I envisioned DCI Banks.

Speaker 47 So I went in there and basically the guy is like the head of drama or something and the casting person who was there.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 50 he was very nice.

Speaker 32 He liked my stuff and he said, thanks for coming in.

Speaker 26 And I was like, yeah, I mean, I must say I was surprised.

Speaker 21 I didn't think it was like a natural fit, me in this kind of role.

Speaker 17 He's like, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 18 Let's give it a go. Let's see how it goes.

Speaker 10 And so I did it.

Speaker 26 We're We're going to catch the bastard who did this.

Speaker 28 Afterwards, he was like, let's try one more, maybe without the accent, even.

Speaker 37 Just try it. Let's see how it goes.

Speaker 14 So he did it.

Speaker 44 And he was like, Piga, it felt a bit better. I mean, it was terrible.

Speaker 16 It was absolutely terrible. And it was excruciating.

Speaker 48 Were you feeling the stress of it at that point?

Speaker 35 Oh, I was nearly crying then.

Speaker 45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 39 Yeah, but just wanted to be anywhere else.

Speaker 42 You know, it's just like, going one up. And

Speaker 26 you're thinking, why are we doing this? We all know that I'm bad at this.

Speaker 45 Why do we have to go through it all?

Speaker 32 And I'm sort of thinking, well, my agent told me I should do it. Something else might come of it.

Speaker 24 But I just felt so fraudulent.

Speaker 29 And I felt that I had to say, like, you know, that was pretty bad.

Speaker 44 And I guess, you know, probably I'm not right for this.

Speaker 32 But anyway, thank you so much for seeing me, you know.

Speaker 47 Yes.

Speaker 3 And he was like, oh, no, it's nice to meet you.

Speaker 32 Thanks for coming in.

Speaker 46 And then I leave and walk down the corridor.

Speaker 47 And the casting person catches me up.

Speaker 32 I'm thinking she's going to go, oh, thanks so much for coming in.

Speaker 17 She didn't.

Speaker 25 She was very angry.

Speaker 17 Oh.

Speaker 33 She just said, you just talked yourself out of a job in there.

Speaker 37 If you don't want to do the part, then don't fucking come in.

Speaker 19 She did DCI Banks in a way.

Speaker 13 Don't want to do it, get out.

Speaker 25 That's how you do banks.

Speaker 13 Don't waste my fucking time. Exactly.
Unless you're Maximum Banks, fuck off.

Speaker 39 It's a great casting director.

Speaker 45 Fuck off.

Speaker 13 This isn't DCI wanks, you twat.

Speaker 29 Of course, she was absolutely right.

Speaker 46 But it was a silly thing to have done.

Speaker 32 You're not supposed to talk yourself down in an audition, even if you don't think you're right for it.

Speaker 17 But

Speaker 16 do you find yourself having to kind of play the alpha in certain situations?

Speaker 25 You're a successful movie director now.

Speaker 19 Yeah, What do you mean like a?

Speaker 29 I mean, like a sort of tough guy that doesn't cry and knows what he's doing and

Speaker 42 you play the tough guy.

Speaker 19 I sometimes meet alpha-type people.

Speaker 44 Uh-huh.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 there's some funny ones.

Speaker 19 There's a classic one that is the sort of powerful American person. Let's not do the name.
Can I not? I can get up. Yeah.
And they'll do the close-up handshake thing. Do you know what I mean by that?

Speaker 24 No, what's a close-up handshake?

Speaker 46 You have to get up and do it.

Speaker 46 They'll be like, Garth, nice to meet you.

Speaker 4 They pull you in.

Speaker 28 Pull you right in and hold you there.

Speaker 19 And it's like a little test. So I just stand there grinning, go, yeah.

Speaker 19 And we just stand there, and then, because what they're wanting me to do is either pull away or let go, but I just hold on and grin at them.

Speaker 19 And you've diffused it. And actually, the first time that happened to me, after that, we had the most brilliant time with that person.

Speaker 19 Yes, you can meet some sort of scary people, and then the worst ones are the people that work for the scary people. They're even more scary.

Speaker 18 Agents and people like that.

Speaker 19 Well, it could be anyone in the pyramid of whatever you're dealing with. But you try and make a little culture of kindness.
I know that sounds a bit sort of flimsy, but

Speaker 19 you try and get, yeah, you try and surround yourself with really nice people who are brilliant at what they do.

Speaker 33 And so that's the kind of thing Harvey Weinstein used to say.

Speaker 1 Trying to create a little culture of kindness.

Speaker 43 Oh, God.

Speaker 29 In the shower.

Speaker 19 I feel bad to be.

Speaker 45 Oh, God.

Speaker 19 Okay, just so we're all clear, that is not the culture of kindness I'm going for.

Speaker 19 It's much more down to earth. Yes.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 19 it's harder to be a bit of a pain in the ass when you've created a community that are positive.

Speaker 14 I mean, that's the way it should be, of course.

Speaker 32 But I mean, I went to one of the worst examples quite quickly there.

Speaker 18 But there is so much abusive behaviour that does go on in the entertainment industry that you hear about in music and in film and in all the arts.

Speaker 14 I guess the reason, not an excuse for it, but the reason is, of course, it's highly pressurized.

Speaker 25 There's people doing quite stupid things for a living.

Speaker 5 It's very hard to kind of nail it down.

Speaker 37 Everyone feels insecure, competitive.

Speaker 11 There's all these kinds of tensions flying around that produce bad environments sometimes.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 7 but there's no excuse. No, not really.

Speaker 19 Tell me about it. But in films and stuff,

Speaker 19 you don't need to throw things at each other.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 19 There's been, I've seen all kinds of terrible things, but there was never a, I never thought, oh, well, he has got a high-pressure job.

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 22 Have you ever had a Bale-style meltdown on set?

Speaker 19 Me, personally.

Speaker 35 Yeah, while you've been directing?

Speaker 19 No, I've never had that.

Speaker 32 But I mean, with an actor or anyone?

Speaker 17 No, we've never really had that.

Speaker 19 We've just had people that were late a lot, so we would... you know, make sure they were told off.
But not in a big dramatic way, just please don't do that again, you know.

Speaker 19 And one time there was one actor on the on a film who was really brilliant but he'd really got into a rhythm of just not showing up and hours late and so when he did arrive finally one morning everyone cleared the set i'd queued it so when he arrives everybody leave and just leave me on the stage with him and so he went they all left and he's going where's everyone going i said come and sit down

Speaker 19 you know you do that thing you know when your mum and dad were going i'm so disappointed in you yeah

Speaker 19 Absolutely worked. He's like, really? I was like, yeah, the disappointed word.

Speaker 19 It really worked. So he cleared it up.
I've had to send everybody out because I just can't seem to get through with you and I'm so disappointed. And it was brilliant after then.

Speaker 17 Wow.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Was it Matthew McConaughey?

Speaker 26 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 He's great.

Speaker 8 Are you able to say that story about the agent guy with his raisins?

Speaker 2 Oh, raisin guy, yeah.

Speaker 19 Well, this is a classic alpha. I was having a meeting with my producer and a very, very big star.
And he'd come along with his agent and his manager.

Speaker 19 And I think because he had the two of them with them, the manager thought, I'm going to have to be a bit more of a macho guy in this room. There's all this stuff, there's all these men.

Speaker 19 And it's me, you know, I'm the least threatening. You don't have to do anything, it's fine.

Speaker 19 This guy comes in with his big star friend and he sits him down and we're all sitting down, we're about to discuss this project. And he grabbed a packet of sunmade.
Do you know those little raisins?

Speaker 17 There was a bowl of snacks

Speaker 17 just around

Speaker 28 mini boxes.

Speaker 19 Little tiny box. And he puts his feet up on the table, chugs this packet of Sunmade,

Speaker 19 and then throws them at the studio boss.

Speaker 14 And it hits the studio boss.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And we all had to carry on, but I was like, ooh, look at that.

Speaker 19 And it was so pathetic as well.

Speaker 19 Sun made.

Speaker 43 Oh, honestly.

Speaker 2 And he wasn't angry or anything?

Speaker 19 No, it's just like, what the fuck are we doing here?

Speaker 48 All right.

Speaker 48 Wow.

Speaker 24 I am buying some boxes of Sunmaid.

Speaker 19 You could feel the agent going, oh, I wish you hadn't done that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
Get a bit of that.

Speaker 14 And the famous person, were they looking sad?

Speaker 19 Yeah, really uncomfortable. Yeah, it was really weird and uncomfortable.

Speaker 43 And didn't the studio boss come, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 19 No, it's more like, okay.

Speaker 19 Just a a little bit. Because they're used to it.
No, it was just, it was better to just get through that one.

Speaker 3 Style it out.

Speaker 19 Yeah, style it out.

Speaker 19 He did it well, actually. I've got to say, he was very cool.

Speaker 17 Afterwards, we were like, ooh, woo-hoo-hoo-hoe.

Speaker 6 All right, we are coming towards the end of our first half now, and I think it is time to introduce our musical guest this evening.

Speaker 24 I'm very excited to introduce to you my guest, one of the country's most talented singer-songwriters, who always, I won't do the voice.

Speaker 29 This is sincere, and I got very music journalisty on this intro.

Speaker 47 One of the country's most talented singer-songwriters who always manages to sound both exquisitely modern and like sun-kissed 70s Laurel Canyon nobility.

Speaker 12 It's Laura Marling has come here to sing to you tonight.

Speaker 27 I didn't go for the hug there because I suddenly thought, like, I don't know if she's a hug person or not.

Speaker 17 I'm a hugger. Are you? Yeah, I'm a hugger.

Speaker 23 Okay, the interval is coming up.

Speaker 23 It was nice.

Speaker 24 20 minutes of hugging.

Speaker 31 I'm so pleased that you're here.

Speaker 27 You told me that you haven't, this is like I've coaxed you out of retirement, more or less, right?

Speaker 28 Because

Speaker 22 you haven't been playing live for a couple of years.

Speaker 52 I haven't played live for over two years.

Speaker 17 Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 36 So, Laura Marling's return here for you podcasts at the Norwich Playhouse. I'm very honoured and excited that you agreed to do this.

Speaker 43 Thank you so much.

Speaker 18 Oh, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 17 Only for you, Adam. That's it.

Speaker 5 Well, and you're a friend of the podcast.

Speaker 16 Listen to my episode with Laura.

Speaker 4 We had a fun, stupid chat

Speaker 22 during the lockdown, though, wasn't it?

Speaker 18 That was a remote one. Yeah.

Speaker 52 Yeah, I'm glad that Zoom interviews are over.

Speaker 52 Though I enjoyed it.

Speaker 17 Of course. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 You don't mean my interview specifically.

Speaker 14 That was one of the old-time great Zoom interviews.

Speaker 11 There was no crying in that one.

Speaker 50 What have you been doing these last couple of years?

Speaker 17 I had a baby.

Speaker 28 Well done.

Speaker 17 Thank you.

Speaker 17 Thanks, thanks.

Speaker 52 Highly recommend it.

Speaker 52 You guys know all about that?

Speaker 17 Yeah, I've got loads. I've got loads of them, yeah.

Speaker 52 That's pretty much it.

Speaker 17 I've got loads of threads.

Speaker 14 But have you, have you been, are you allowed to say if you've been working on new stuff?

Speaker 33 Have you got...

Speaker 52 Oh, yes, I should say that. I am out of practice.
I made an album. Nice.

Speaker 52 I made an album when the baby was really small before she started walking, which you can do because you just put them down and they can only roll about half a meter away from you. So I did that.

Speaker 21 Were you working at home then or do you take the baby into the studio?

Speaker 17 I did it all at home.

Speaker 52 I had a studio at home, but I couldn't do it there because it was too dangerous. So I had to bring her up into the living room or bring my studio up into the living room.
And I did it there.

Speaker 52 And then I finished it at

Speaker 52 the finishing bits at a studio with her.

Speaker 17 It was great fun.

Speaker 10 Loved it.

Speaker 36 When's that going to see the light of day?

Speaker 26 November.

Speaker 3 November, that's before my album is coming out.

Speaker 17 Okay, pew.

Speaker 14 We deliberately timed it like that.

Speaker 16 I didn't want to steal Laura's thunder.

Speaker 46 And you've also been sub-stacking.

Speaker 52 Yes, I have a sub-stack now, which is like podcasts for introverts, I guess.

Speaker 28 And what do you write about there?

Speaker 52 I write about... I write about songwriting, but I also write about...
I try and relate it to the Arc of the Major Arcana of the Tarot.

Speaker 29 I was going to do that, but then I

Speaker 5 did something else.

Speaker 52 It's not as woo-woo as it sounds. Yes.
I'm not like into New Agey. I am into New Agey stuff, but

Speaker 17 I don't talk about it there.

Speaker 8 That sounds good.

Speaker 14 So what are you going to play for us?

Speaker 52 I'm going to play a new song called Caroline.

Speaker 8 Now you're tiptoeing a little bit there.

Speaker 52 Yeah, it's because I sing upwards.

Speaker 42 Oh, you sing up.

Speaker 52 Yeah, upwards. But because I have to talk.

Speaker 17 Why do you sing upwards, Laura?

Speaker 52 Because I like the timbre. Ah, the timbre.
And also, I don't have to look anyone in the eye,

Speaker 52 which I generally like in life. So

Speaker 17 okay, cool. Great.

Speaker 54 Well, away to change an evening.

Speaker 54 Was my number hard to find

Speaker 54 You know I've given up believing

Speaker 54 But the song had somewhat lingered on my mind

Speaker 54 It went la la la la la la la la

Speaker 54 la la

Speaker 54 Something, something, Caroline

Speaker 38 Caroline, you're like an ember

Speaker 54 A rock that bursts back into life

Speaker 54 A song I only just remember

Speaker 54 That goes, oh something, something, Caroline

Speaker 38 La la la la la la la la la

Speaker 38 la la

Speaker 54 Something something Caroline

Speaker 38 Caroline, we are old now

Speaker 38 I got married and I loved my wife

Speaker 54 We have kids, they're good and grown now

Speaker 54 All in all I was happy with my life

Speaker 54 Though I was never really far from you

Speaker 54 Was I

Speaker 54 something, something, Caroline

Speaker 26 I'd ask you not to call again

Speaker 54 I like to keep you off my mind

Speaker 30 You're the one who went away, Caroline So

Speaker 53 the song was forgotten over time

Speaker 53 It went

Speaker 53 la la la la la la la la la

Speaker 53 la la

Speaker 54 Something, something, Caroline

Speaker 54 La la la la la la la la la

Speaker 54 la la la

Speaker 54 Something, something

Speaker 54 Caroline,

Speaker 18 That was amazing. Are we the first people to hear that?

Speaker 17 Yes. Wow.

Speaker 17 That was so good.

Speaker 42 What was it called?

Speaker 38 It's called Carola.

Speaker 14 I've never heard anyone do that.

Speaker 8 That's a funny idea as well to have half-remembered lyrics in there.

Speaker 52 I actually, you're not the first people to hear it. I sent it to my dad, who was a songwriter.

Speaker 52 And he was like, oh, it's very good. Would you like me to finish the lyrics for you?

Speaker 35 Oh, man.

Speaker 36 I love that.

Speaker 32 Thank you so much, Laura.

Speaker 10 Will you come and sing another song in the second half?

Speaker 14 Absolutely. How about this?

Speaker 10 Will you sing halfway through the podcast at the beginning of the second half?

Speaker 52 I sure will. I'm quite nervous about it, but you know.

Speaker 48 Oh, you should be.

Speaker 33 That's one of the big numbers that everyone.

Speaker 24 do another jingle now, podcasts.

Speaker 14 And I couldn't help noticing, I know you didn't know if it was appropriate to join in the first time around.

Speaker 10 It is appropriate.

Speaker 37 If you know the words, please do join in in with one of the greatest jingles ever written.

Speaker 14 Joe Rogan hasn't done any jingles, but if he did, they wouldn't be as good as this one.

Speaker 51 It's halfway through the podcast, and to help me sing it, please welcome back to the stage Laura Marling.

Speaker 27 How are you feeling about halfway through the podcast?

Speaker 44 Let's see. Okay.

Speaker 46 See how it goes.

Speaker 28 What sort of style are you thinking?

Speaker 17 I'm going to go finger picky.

Speaker 52 Okay. But harmonies aren't my 40.

Speaker 17 Are they not? No. I would have thought you were queen of harmonies.

Speaker 52 No, I'm the main event, not really the harmonies guy.

Speaker 52 Quite right.

Speaker 17 We're halfway through the podcast.

Speaker 38 I think it's going really great.

Speaker 41 The conversation's flowing like it would between a geezer and his mate

Speaker 51 All right mate

Speaker 41 There's so much chemistry It's like a science lab of talking

Speaker 41 There's fun chat and there's deep chat. It's like Chris Evans is meeting Stephen talking

Speaker 43 Oh yeah, thank you very much. Laura Morning.

Speaker 24 So let's get my guest Garth back on stage right now. It's Garth Jennings.

Speaker 12 How are you doing Garth?

Speaker 19 I'm doing great, thanks.

Speaker 47 How are you? Do you spend much time on social media?

Speaker 26 No.

Speaker 19 No, I mean we did find some nice bathroom tiles.

Speaker 19 There's this lady in Bridport who makes lovely

Speaker 19 tiles, but other than that, not really, no.

Speaker 19 Best to avoid it. You don't get anything done really, otherwise.

Speaker 14 But aren't you obliged to engage with it when you're promoting movies and things like that?

Speaker 18 No, I'm not on it.

Speaker 19 I've had to do junkets and things where you meet.

Speaker 19 That's the thing I wasn't used to on the last film. We had to meet people that

Speaker 19 are influencers on TikTok and Instagram. And that's quite strange.
One of them was a tiny eight-year-old boy who was famous for doing a special little dance.

Speaker 19 And I thought they were setting me up for, I know, I thought they were setting me up as a candid camera thing because all these adults from newspapers and things coming in.

Speaker 19 And then this eight-year-old boy in a fedora came on.

Speaker 19 And I did that thing where I go,

Speaker 26 what's he doing here?

Speaker 19 And his mum's going, his mum was one of those showbiz mums, they're terrifying. And then he started asking us questions and it was the most uncomfortable, strange thing.

Speaker 19 Because he suddenly went from being this little kid to like, I want to ask you, when you you made it was like the most professional little child person and it's all like oh

Speaker 19 very weird and then we had to do a special dance

Speaker 19 what was the dance is a sort of a shimmy thing that I was supposed to know

Speaker 32 oh you had to do the dance I did it with this little guy oh mate

Speaker 19 and then you think what's going on what am I doing what am I doing here

Speaker 19 I just did this whole film and now I'm doing a shimmy with this little eight-year-old in a fedora. Just feels

Speaker 19 really wrong. There's a lot of weird stuff now you have to do when you're promoting.

Speaker 18 Dennis Villnerf doesn't do the dance, I bet he doesn't.

Speaker 19 He would never have, he would have

Speaker 19 had someone fired for that.

Speaker 17 I just carried on.

Speaker 14 I bet you, I'll tell you who else doesn't do the dance: David O.

Speaker 8 Russell.

Speaker 18 I bet you he's not going to do that. He's going to beat the kid to death

Speaker 23 with a staple.

Speaker 44 This is nice.

Speaker 22 You've seen that footage of David O.

Speaker 11 Russell losing his mind on the set of iHeart Huckabees.

Speaker 17 It is upsetting.

Speaker 21 He screams at Lily Tomlin, uses the C-word as he's kicking a load of props off the table in front of her.

Speaker 37 But then I found out the other day, she's totally fine with it.

Speaker 18 There's loads of videos of her online just saying, oh, wow, that's what life on high-pressure film sets is like sometimes.

Speaker 19 Well, anyway, that seemed extreme to me.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And Lily Tomlin wasn't that bad. No.
She'd been a bit late or something. Anyway.

Speaker 14 She was getting frustrated because it was taking too long to block a scene.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 17 Yeah. Or something like that.

Speaker 19 I used to have crew get frustrated with me when I was younger.

Speaker 26 Right.

Speaker 19 Because I didn't look very experienced and they would think I was the runner. And then they'd go, I'd be filming something.
They'd go, do you even know what you're fucking doing, mate?

Speaker 28 What, the crew guys?

Speaker 19 Yeah, like someone on the camera grip or something like that.

Speaker 47 Oh, mate.

Speaker 26 And you go, yes, I do, actually.

Speaker 8 Yeah, would you stand up for yourself or would you go and have a little cry?

Speaker 19 Didn't do a little cry. That happened quite a few times, but I would just sort of carry it on.

Speaker 17 See ya, see you later.

Speaker 4 That's what Kenneth Branner did.

Speaker 14 I was reading Miriam Margulies' book, and she talks about the fact that on his first feature, which was some sort of thriller, Dead Again, was it?

Speaker 19 Dead Again, I don't know if it was the first, but he definitely did that, yeah.

Speaker 47 Yeah, call out if I'm wrong about that podcast, but I think it was that.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 20 he was first-time director, he already had a reputation as a star of the theatre.

Speaker 18 But I think maybe his film crew perhaps thought, Who is this upper T

Speaker 11 guy who's coming in here thinking he can direct a film?

Speaker 16 And they were very contrary

Speaker 32 and wouldn't do anything that he wanted them to do.

Speaker 14 So, a few days in, fired all of them and just started again.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I would love it if he did it in a really sort of Shakespearean way.

Speaker 19 You know, like said, Can I have you all gather, gather round, and then stand on something tall and say, All of you are fire.

Speaker 17 You're fucking fire.

Speaker 38 You're fucking fire.

Speaker 19 Fuck off right now, you little fucking man.

Speaker 19 That would be good. He doesn't talk like that, but I would have asked him to do it.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Hello. Fact-checking Santa here, the Mariana Spring of the Adam Buxton podcast.
Quite lazy, though, I don't check that many facts these days, but I did think I should step in on this one.

Speaker 13 Kenneth Branner's directorial debut was Henry V.

Speaker 13 Dead Again was the first film Ken made in Hollywood where he found the original crew for his film to be too sluggish.

Speaker 35 I don't know if you read my book, Garth, Ramble Book, but within there,

Speaker 18 I debuted the use of my argument log

Speaker 7 with my wife.

Speaker 44 And this is something that has proven to be quite useful in our lives.

Speaker 19 Do you read it back to her?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 28 I mean

Speaker 34 sometimes, a little bit.

Speaker 32 I mean, the whole point is to cut down the risk of covering old ground during valuable argument time.

Speaker 24 Which can happen.

Speaker 9 You know, you get into it and then you go round and round and you find like.

Speaker 19 So you could bring out the log and go, we don't need to cover this, check it out.

Speaker 48 Exactly. He did it.
He did it, and he was right that time.

Speaker 28 So that's the point of the argument log.

Speaker 14 And, you know, for the record, my wife strongly disagrees with that being a good thing to do.

Speaker 33 But these are some of the more

Speaker 46 recent ones.

Speaker 16 And you can give me your response as a married person yourself.

Speaker 33 Subjective argument, me picking Banshees of Inner Sharon as our Christmas Day family movie.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 26 She didn't like that, I guess. I hated it.

Speaker 19 No, no, that wasn't a great idea.

Speaker 14 They went down so badly.

Speaker 29 I really genuinely thought it was going to be a smash because I loved In Bruges.

Speaker 17 Right.

Speaker 21 And I thought they've got the Imbrug guys back together again.

Speaker 25 It's part of time.

Speaker 25 Mainpoint's wife, after we saw it, it was depressing, pointless crap designed to win awards.

Speaker 17 Wow.

Speaker 3 It's a bit harsh. Wow.

Speaker 4 Buckles came back with it, it was a powerful allegory about cis men yearning for immortality because they can't give birth.

Speaker 32 And mental illness, and the troubles in Northern Ireland, and donkey nutrition.

Speaker 18 It's all in there.

Speaker 8 Additional points' wife, it was a big, depressing wank.

Speaker 35 And we should have watched Top Gun Maverick again.

Speaker 14 She was lobbying hard for viewing three of Top Gun Maverick within the same holiday period.

Speaker 11 And I just. This does deliver.

Speaker 17 I mean, it does. Yeah.

Speaker 19 If you're not into fingers being flung around.

Speaker 7 No. Yeah.
My wife won that one.

Speaker 19 I think she deserves that one.

Speaker 8 That was a very bitter row over Banshee's of Inisharin.

Speaker 15 How about this one?

Speaker 18 Being moody?

Speaker 37 Do you ever get this one?

Speaker 19 Generally, no. We're not a moody couple.

Speaker 37 You're chirpy.

Speaker 19 I always get that.

Speaker 17 Yeah. Yeah, chirpy.

Speaker 43 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 25 Who was it that described you as chirpy?

Speaker 19 Oh, it's awful. I've never said this either to anyone out.

Speaker 19 It's somebody who's great, and I get on really well with him. But when I was at art school, there were lots of young, talented people around.

Speaker 19 And I loved art school because I couldn't believe you could just do this all day. I was just great.
I was just making stuff fantastic. And there's a very well-known film director called Joe Wright.

Speaker 19 who's gone on to do Atonement and all kinds of wonderful films. And he's brilliant.

Speaker 19 But he was in the same year as me. And I remember walking past him saying, hello, Joe.
And he just took out a cigarette,

Speaker 19 sorry about the swearing here.

Speaker 44 He went, James, you're a chirpy cunt.

Speaker 17 I was a bit like, ooh.

Speaker 19 I sort of went into the next room, and Dom, my best mate, was there, and I said, Joe, just called me a chirpy cunt. And Dom just said, well, you are.

Speaker 19 I was like, ah, yeah.

Speaker 19 So basically, yeah, that's been it ever since.

Speaker 28 I like it.

Speaker 10 It's a fine quality, but maybe that's because I'm a little bit moody.

Speaker 35 I don't know.

Speaker 37 Anyway, when I get accused of being moody, my main points are: I say to her when she's moody, I don't understand why you're so moody.

Speaker 35 And her response is, you're the one that's moody.

Speaker 44 It's like a toxic cloud.

Speaker 19 Does she use those actual words?

Speaker 17 Actual quote.

Speaker 50 I don't think you realize how moody you are.

Speaker 29 Get a bit of upspeak there.

Speaker 28 My comeback is, you were moody first.

Speaker 24 I'm moody because you're moody.

Speaker 32 I'm normally fun, like on my podcast.

Speaker 27 Have you seen the logo from the podcast?

Speaker 20 Sometimes I show her the logo on the movie.

Speaker 24 Look at that guy, smiley guy.

Speaker 44 That's who you're dealing with.

Speaker 24 In fact, right now you're gaslighting me.

Speaker 3 Winner Buckles.

Speaker 44 Because I used gaslighting.

Speaker 44 Have you invoked gaslighting in an artist?

Speaker 17 No, no, no.

Speaker 19 We haven't reached that point.

Speaker 51 It's pretty powerful stuff.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I was going to say,

Speaker 51 Works for all kinds of things.

Speaker 19 I think she was just like, oh, God.

Speaker 17 All right.

Speaker 23 I want that one.

Speaker 28 I'm going to have a damn subjective argument.

Speaker 33 Me throwing away the random crap that's been in the big bowl in the hall for years, including old chargers, membership cards, lanyards, packs of pills, cables, remotes, mini-toiletries, shoelaces, receipts, incidental brushes, the red ones, hair clips, knackered headphones, phone numbers on scraps of paper, keyrings, and keys.

Speaker 48 That's in one bowl? Yeah.

Speaker 19 Nice one.

Speaker 22 Have you not got a bowl like that?

Speaker 32 Or a, you know, like a box.

Speaker 19 No, again, I'm saying no. I feel terrible.
I'm letting you down here.

Speaker 46 I should be joining you in.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You've got a neat house, that's why.

Speaker 19 It's quite weird. Oh, there's four boys.
You've got to keep it together.

Speaker 17 Four boys.

Speaker 26 Neat house. Holy shit.

Speaker 19 Dogs and stuff. You've got to stay on top of it.

Speaker 47 That's the dream.

Speaker 44 But anyway, I binned all of that stuff.

Speaker 47 And it was pretty satisfying.

Speaker 9 Mainpoint's wife, there might have been stuff in there I needed.

Speaker 24 I came back with, you haven't needed it for the last 10 years.

Speaker 26 Well, it's good.

Speaker 17 Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 18 Your honour.

Speaker 20 But she said, you should have checked with me first, and that is true.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 50 I should have done, and I knew that I should have done.

Speaker 10 And I just went ahead and did it anyway.

Speaker 15 So I did feel bad about it.

Speaker 32 I came back and I said that if I checked, it wouldn't have got thrown away.

Speaker 44 And that was also true.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 15 But I did feel bad, and so the winner was my wife.

Speaker 18 But the stuff did get thrown away.

Speaker 47 So

Speaker 44 It all worked out.

Speaker 33 This is wife updating me on which friends and family members have cancer just before scheduled marital relations.

Speaker 19 I love that they're scheduled.

Speaker 33 And my main point, you've got to schedule them, otherwise they're not going to happen, are they?

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 24 my main point is that it's not exactly sexy.

Speaker 24 Main points, wife, it's the only time we get to discuss important things.

Speaker 33 And I'm the winner of that one I think I have the stronger point there as it were subject yeah thanks mate and subject of argument wife finally wife leaving dirty plates and coffee mugs by the sink to clean later where do you stand on this

Speaker 19 she's probably going out to do something important right yes she's not going to do it out of laziness she's doing it she's rushing to do something else yeah but I'm trying to make a case.

Speaker 19 I know what sales like, and I think that's what she's doing there.

Speaker 14 Of course she works incredibly hard, but

Speaker 37 I always think it's better to clean as you go.

Speaker 19 And I say it like that in that, like oh, in that fun voice, yeah,

Speaker 19 yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 If you want a fun hack, I always think it's better to

Speaker 37 clean as you go.

Speaker 26 Try it, it's fun,

Speaker 37 it's fun to do it, not chippy in any way at all. And her comeback is, I always think it's better to fuck while you off.

Speaker 3 I don't know what that

Speaker 48 is supposed to mean.

Speaker 25 But anyway, that's the situation, argument-wise.

Speaker 9 And we will welcome back to the stage.

Speaker 36 If she's there, I didn't really give her a fair warning, but if you're there, Laura.

Speaker 13 Yay, let's welcome back, Laura Marley.

Speaker 20 Good to see you.

Speaker 34 Is this a new one or an old one you're going to do for me?

Speaker 7 It's a new one.

Speaker 18 It's a new one.

Speaker 35 Oh, it's another new one.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Have you got an album title yet?

Speaker 52 Yes, it's called Patterns in Repeat.

Speaker 47 Patterns in Repeat?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 14 How long does it take you to come up with a title?

Speaker 17 Pretty title. Is it easy?

Speaker 17 Yes. Hmm.

Speaker 52 They tend to be song titles. You just pick the best song titles.

Speaker 17 Oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 35 Yeah. That's the way I'm going with my album.

Speaker 52 Nice. Have you got a title?

Speaker 48 Pizza Time.

Speaker 10 I thought about Patterns in Repeat and then I thought,

Speaker 5 I think pizza time.

Speaker 47 And can you can you tell us a little bit about the song or is that something that you don't want to do?

Speaker 52 That's not really my forte.

Speaker 52 But you know, you can subscribe to my sud stack if you want to.

Speaker 3 Oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 52 I'm not really bad at talking about the subject of songs.

Speaker 11 Sure, I don't want to put you on the spot and make it all uncomfortable.

Speaker 17 Great.

Speaker 10 Tell me exactly what it means.

Speaker 28 What's it called, though?

Speaker 52 It's called Child of Mind. It's pretty self-explanatory, actually, now I think about it.

Speaker 32 Child of Mind.

Speaker 17 Child of Mind. Oh,

Speaker 17 okay.

Speaker 54 You and your dad are dancing in the kitchen.

Speaker 54 Life is slowing down, but it's still bitching.

Speaker 54 Got myself a rod, but I could break it.

Speaker 54 Back is still as strong as I can make it.

Speaker 54 Plus, you're mine.

Speaker 54 So, who would rush right through it? Child of mine,

Speaker 54 child

Speaker 54 of mine,

Speaker 54 Child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 54 Everything you want is within your reach right now

Speaker 54 And anything that's not I have to teach somehow

Speaker 54 Everything about you isn't you

Speaker 54 So those who miss the point might rush right through it

Speaker 54 Because it's fine

Speaker 54 But I don't wanna miss a child of mine

Speaker 54 Child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 54 Child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 54 Last night in your sleep you started crying

Speaker 54 I can't protect you there though I keep trying.

Speaker 54 Sometimes you'll go places I won't get to,

Speaker 54 but I've spoken with the angels who protect you

Speaker 54 because you're mine.

Speaker 54 They'll cast their golden light across my child.

Speaker 54 Child of mine,

Speaker 54 child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 54 Long nights,

Speaker 54 fast years,

Speaker 54 so they say

Speaker 54 Time won't

Speaker 54 ever

Speaker 41 feel the same

Speaker 38 And I don't wanna miss it

Speaker 38 And I don't wanna miss it

Speaker 54 And I'm not gonna miss it child of mine

Speaker 54 Child of mine

Speaker 54 Child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 54 Child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 54 Child

Speaker 54 of mine

Speaker 30 Child

Speaker 30 of mine

Speaker 30 Beautiful.

Speaker 30 Laura Marling.

Speaker 23 Child of mine.

Speaker 23 That was lovely.

Speaker 23 That's it for Laura Marling.

Speaker 12 Thank you so much for coming along, Laura.

Speaker 14 Amazing.

Speaker 14 Oh man.

Speaker 15 That is that's sort of the loveliest representation of what it's like to have young children.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 48 That was the best bit.

Speaker 35 It doesn't include any of the.

Speaker 17 We should just not talk now, Ad.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 19 We're just going to ruin it. It just went so incredibly well.
Whatever we do now is just not going to work.

Speaker 31 There you go.

Speaker 9 Anyway, that is the end of our presentation tonight, folks.

Speaker 19 Please join me in thanking everyone who helped on this tour and indeed tonight thank you so much to all the folks at the Playhouse who have made us feel so welcome it's lovely to be back here and thank you very much for coming out tonight it's really nice to see you in person thanks for listening to the podcast I left a gift for you all if you want it you don't have to have it oh yeah but I stuck a little QR code in the lobby and also on the wall across the street just I don't know if like me if you ever have an alarm clock on your phone they're horrible aren't they?

Speaker 19 So, I made a recorded birds in my garden and made a 30-second loop. So, if you want

Speaker 19 birds from my garden as your alarm clock, you could just do it on the QR code. Yeah.
That's my little gift for you.

Speaker 12 A typically thoughtful and lovely gift.

Speaker 37 Perfect from a chirpy cunt.

Speaker 26 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 19 I never ever, I just feel like I made the biggest mistake in my life by saying.

Speaker 21 Teed me up for that one!

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Speaker 12 Hey, welcome back, Podcasts. That was Garth Jennings there at the Norwich Playhouse back in June of this year 2024.
And of course, we were joined by Laura Marling.

Speaker 12 Thank you so much to Garth and Laura. Her album, Patterns in Repeat, is out on the 25th of October.
I've put a link to her website in the description of the podcast so you can see what she's up to.

Speaker 12 And there's a link to Laura's Substack page where she writes about songwriting and other things. Check it out.

Speaker 12 The sun is out and shining through the trees but we're still under this rain cloud and I can see that it's raining out there in the field. We'll head out shortly Rose.
I think it's nearly past.

Speaker 12 Before I leave you today I just wanted to give you a couple of recommendations. First one is for a podcast that I would imagine Many of you podcasts are already familiar with.

Speaker 12 It's been around for a few years and already has a large and devoted fan base. It's called A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs.
This is some blurb about it.

Speaker 12 A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs is a podcast created by Andrew Hickey that explores the development and evolution of rock music by analyzing 500 significant songs from the genre's history.

Speaker 12 Starting with early influences like the blues, gospel, and jazz, the podcast traces rock's roots from the 1930s and 1940s through to, I believe, he's going to go to the end of the 90s and draw a line there.

Speaker 12 He's got a long way to go. He's been doing it for a few years.
He's only at 176, I think, at the moment. Four-part are about Sympathy for the Devil by the Rolling Stones, which was excellent.

Speaker 12 Each episode delves into the backstory of a song, examining its cultural and historical context, the artists involved, and the song's impact of the evolution of rock music.

Speaker 12 With deep research and detailed storytelling, the podcast offers both an educational and an entertaining look at rock's rich history.

Speaker 12 And there is a depth of knowledge and nuanced analysis in this thing, and also a willingness to explore tangential details and connections that you just wouldn't get, I don't think, with a mainstream broadcaster because there isn't the time.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 broadcasters are generally nervous about putting off casual listeners and scaring them away with something that's too deep level.

Speaker 12 But if you're willing to go deep and if you can roll with his sometimes idiosyncratic presentational style, hundreds of hours of joy await you on the History of Rock Music in 500 Songs podcast.

Speaker 12 Can I ask you a favor though?

Speaker 12 In the style of Andrew Hickey, in case some of you were thinking of messaging Andrew Hickey via social media to let him know that I'm singing his praises, praises, you know, in a nice way.

Speaker 12 Please don't. I've listened to enough episodes of Andrew's podcast to know that he's not necessarily comfortable with what he calls the parasocial side of podcasting.

Speaker 12 He wants to keep it all about his project and the music.

Speaker 12 He himself asks his listeners not to contact people that he mentions on his podcast to tell them, oh, Andrew Hickey's been talking about you, because he appreciates that sometimes that isn't necessarily going to make their day.

Speaker 12 And he's very thoughtful in that way, as you can hear from the content warnings that he does at the start of each episode. He's very careful about what he puts out into the world with the podcast.

Speaker 12 So, I hope you don't mind if I ask you to respect Andrew's privacy. He's got a lot of work to do.
This guy does incredible amounts of work on the podcast.

Speaker 12 And the thing is, one of the things that elevates it above other similar types of podcast music shows is that he uses clips of the music very well.

Speaker 12 And he makes a point of saying that he thinks he does so in a way that is kind of legally defensible. He is only using clips that illustrate specific points he is making.

Speaker 12 It's all within the context of a show that is very much educational.

Speaker 12 And he's doing that 100%. I really think it's an amazing educational resource what he's doing.

Speaker 12 I've discovered lots of bits and pieces that I never knew anything about listening to episodes of his podcast. And it's really inspiring the way he weaves everything together.

Speaker 12 History of rock music in 500 songs.

Speaker 12 See how you get on. Also, there are still music documentary gems to be found on the lanestream media.

Speaker 12 And one of those is available on BBC Sounds. I have linked to it in the description.
And it's called Bowie in Berlin.

Speaker 12 It's about Zay Vid.

Speaker 12 Documentary filmmaker Francis Watley, who directed the excellent Five Years TV documentaries about Bowie, reveals what really happened to Bowie when he decamped to Berlin in the late 1970s to live with Iggy Pop and work on the albums Low and Heroes.

Speaker 12 The doc is lovingly produced by John Wilson, whom you might know from This Cultural Life, which he presents on Radio 4.

Speaker 12 Bowie in Berlin tells its story in a series of cinematic sonic montages woven between the testimonies of three women who knew Bowie intimately, all talking publicly about their relationships with him for the first time.

Speaker 12 Bowie in Berlin. That's it for this week.
Come on, Rose, shall we venture out? Let's head back.

Speaker 12 Here we go, Rose.

Speaker 12 Come on, doglegs. Let's go through here.

Speaker 12 There we go, that's better, isn't it, dog?

Speaker 26 Okay.

Speaker 12 Thanks very much to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for production support and conversation editing. Thanks to Helen Green, she does the artwork for the podcast.

Speaker 12 And she's also working away on the cover for my next book,

Speaker 12 which one day will be finished. Thanks to everybody at ACAST for all their hard work with my sponsors.

Speaker 12 But thanks most of all to you for coming back again, for listening right to the end. Sometimes I'll bump into a podcast in the outside world, and it's always a pleasure.
Come here.

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